I thought this episode was very interesting in explaining some of Tolkien's story. One thing that bothered me was the claim that the elves are supposed to be near perfect beings. If you read the Simarillion, some of the elves engage in brutal massacres and revenge to find the Simarils, and can be just as petty as men.
People, would you PLEASE stop whining about what this episode left out? They can only fit so much of his mythology into a 45-minute television episode; be thankful that the History Channel did anything about Tolkien at all.
You could make plenty of analogies to Manwe/Odin, Ulmo/Poseidon, hell even the Narn i Hin Hurin to the story of Job and (obviously) Kullervo. There are plenty of aspects of Tolkien's mythology that are fascinating to explore, this show while good and interesting is like icing WITHOUT the cake underneath it.
Also, I wish they would have gone more into the Silmarillion mythology, detailing the Valar and the nature of their relationship with the Elves and Men and ultimately Eru, using the LOTR story as a framework. There are plenty of references to the Valar in LOTR (the song of Elbereth i.e. Varda, Gandalf himself being a Maiar, etc.). Point being, there's far more to Tolkien than just Lord of the Rings
The problem I have most with many documentaries concerning Tolkien and the Legendarium is the mispronunciation of the names. Probably the best example of this is in the documentary: "Ainur" is pronounced "EYE-noor", not "AHN-yoor" as they say it in the documentary. 1/2
I didn't like the ring they used in this show a mans wedding ring would have worked better and btw all 20 of the rings didn't look the same some had stones in them they weren't all just bands but over all it gave slot of good info I liked it.
I like LOTR but I didn't really enjoy this show. First of all, it was over dramatized, with booming narration, eery music, bad acting, and weird incoherent special effects. Second of all, the topic was unclear. Why "Tolkien's Monsters"? show wasn't about monsters. I would love to see a good show about the mythycal inspiration to LOTR, but this show was a bizzare mashup of facts and theories and personal stories... Not good enough.
even if he copied everything from diff stories he was a genius to tie thep up so nicely, one of the largest fictional worlds, but the reality could be much better.example they`rein th forest starving with one of the best archers in their world and he doesn`t hunt a shit.... they never smelly, they never pay and much more, still JRT was a genius
grow up... comparing JKR to JRT is totaly pointless she added wizards to our world. Tolkien created a separated world with thousand years of history different religions,races, languages etc... its like JKR=kindergarden JRT= college
ok this is SO NOT LIKE what the books and movies are like........ this annoys me i mean bah i wont tell everything....... read the books and see the movies then you will understand. What Frodo does at the end it's so not like that im so f*cking annoyed about it.... btw great video really like it keep on..
tolkien and the guy who wrote the chronicles of narnia were both christian if what i have read is true they had a competition to see who could write the best books
@Leonidas19981 Actually, C.S. Lewis (writer of Narnia) was Athiest for 20 years before Tolkien converted him to Roman Catholic. But the book competition is true. TOLKIEN WINS!!!!
Tolkien would be spinning in his grave if he could see what his stories especially lord of the rings have become today and how they've changed the world.
i feel sorry that he was brittish and not canadian, he was never there to see the win at sommes that the canadians won alone after the brittish and french backed away
ohh and by the way, the elfs are inspierde by Hitlers nazi myth that aryans are some kind of halfgods descendant from Atlantis. Watch "Discovery.Channel: Nazis - The Occult Conspiracy"
@timbongo666 you sir, are an idiot. and a lying idiot as well. cite ONE primary source for your scurrilious, insulting remark. when you come back here and admit that you are a lying twit, and that tolkien was not influenced by the nazi pigs, you may be welcomed back into proper society. have a nice day punkass...
@akitaman101 you sir, should calm the fuck down, it dosent mean that tolkien was a nazi. the aryan myth just happend to fit what he wanted out of his elfs and it was just one out of hundreds mabey thousand of stories, legends, myths and homegrown fantasies that he used to create his mythos. ethier way the elf doesnt remind me of the nazis, i mean aragorn (human) was allowed to marry elf arwen (elf) and that doesnt sound very nazi like to me
1 The base for the Elves are the legendary Sidhe from Ireland, while the name comes from the Norse word ,,alfar" meaning dwarves. The two got mixed up when the vikings had a presence in Great Britain. Little gossamer winged elves are a 1700/1800s invention.
2 Halfgod descendants of Attlanteans are talked about in Theosophical works (late 1800s) and possibluy earlier in some
british freemasonry lodges. Also in the original description by Plato it is mentioned that Atlanteans were descendants of Poseidon and that the priests of Egypt from which he got the story were survivors of Atlantis.
@Roger0Czerwonobrody true, and dont forget helena blavatsky and guido von list but i guess that i don't have to explain that to you.... ethier way i think that HP Lovecraft should totally get a "clash of the gods"-episode
Hmmm...thought there would have been more mention of perhaps Merlin with Gandolf or King Arthur and the Knight of the Round Table with Frodo and his band of friends.
I always felt that Frodo was the "jesus" type character. Even though he doesn't really die, he is plagued by the suffering and temptation he has to endure. Sad to see that the book has a lot less of an optimistic ending than the movie does.
@dragoniguana every movi they made has always been edited for a better story and appeal to viewers, for examples when they made the movies troy, beowolf, clash of the titans, thor and many others... ofcourse they are a better story, but not the original one...
im glad they didnt use the visuals from the movies. i like to see different interpretations of what the characters looked like, not just peter jacksons. i never believed elijah wood was a middle aged hobbit, now people associate frodo and sam with youth and they were both near middle aged in the trilogy
jk did the same thing in her last harry potter book, breaks in a vault to steal a gold cup and escapes on a dragon. its one of my fave parts of that book.
the master writers can take those old stories and retell them in a fresh way.
@shoobedoorocketship it also makes the stories more believable. i prefer fantasy writers who, judging by their stories, appear to be familiar with old myths, folklore, fairy tales, and sagas
One thing that annoys me is that their depiction of Oden is a man with 2 eyes, when one of the main things about Oden is that he sacreficed one of his eyes to gain wisdom, Only relevant if you know about Oden, but still.
@eatinginfants they pretty much left out some other details like samwise and left out the part that gollum was leading frodo to mordor. they should've added that gollum had split personalities.
I thought this episode was very interesting in explaining some of Tolkien's story. One thing that bothered me was the claim that the elves are supposed to be near perfect beings. If you read the Simarillion, some of the elves engage in brutal massacres and revenge to find the Simarils, and can be just as petty as men.
Tinuviel451 5 days ago
Love the fact 2012sprint uploads these documentaries. I love them.
HieroglyphicDragons 2 weeks ago
People, would you PLEASE stop whining about what this episode left out? They can only fit so much of his mythology into a 45-minute television episode; be thankful that the History Channel did anything about Tolkien at all.
Guigley 3 weeks ago
what about Gandalf and the Finnish guy Veinemirnen?
jimmyjames250 1 month ago
goullum looked liked a monkey with a gobiln head in this
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You could make plenty of analogies to Manwe/Odin, Ulmo/Poseidon, hell even the Narn i Hin Hurin to the story of Job and (obviously) Kullervo. There are plenty of aspects of Tolkien's mythology that are fascinating to explore, this show while good and interesting is like icing WITHOUT the cake underneath it.
TheMavonduriTrilogy 1 month ago
Also, I wish they would have gone more into the Silmarillion mythology, detailing the Valar and the nature of their relationship with the Elves and Men and ultimately Eru, using the LOTR story as a framework. There are plenty of references to the Valar in LOTR (the song of Elbereth i.e. Varda, Gandalf himself being a Maiar, etc.). Point being, there's far more to Tolkien than just Lord of the Rings
TheMavonduriTrilogy 1 month ago
The problem I have most with many documentaries concerning Tolkien and the Legendarium is the mispronunciation of the names. Probably the best example of this is in the documentary: "Ainur" is pronounced "EYE-noor", not "AHN-yoor" as they say it in the documentary. 1/2
TheMavonduriTrilogy 1 month ago
It is me or it is Frodo in this clips seemed a little fat
13BlueCrimson 1 month ago
isnt the ring supposed to be a plain band
aftrFX 1 month ago
I didn't like the ring they used in this show a mans wedding ring would have worked better and btw all 20 of the rings didn't look the same some had stones in them they weren't all just bands but over all it gave slot of good info I liked it.
ejreptiles 1 month ago
most of the stuff in the history and books of Middle-Earth are left out.
Maxbun3 1 month ago
I like LOTR but I didn't really enjoy this show. First of all, it was over dramatized, with booming narration, eery music, bad acting, and weird incoherent special effects. Second of all, the topic was unclear. Why "Tolkien's Monsters"? show wasn't about monsters. I would love to see a good show about the mythycal inspiration to LOTR, but this show was a bizzare mashup of facts and theories and personal stories... Not good enough.
tomjiLovesMusic 2 months ago
even if he copied everything from diff stories he was a genius to tie thep up so nicely, one of the largest fictional worlds, but the reality could be much better.example they`rein th forest starving with one of the best archers in their world and he doesn`t hunt a shit.... they never smelly, they never pay and much more, still JRT was a genius
scupakus 2 months ago
Keep in mind that Tolkien was a Luddite, so Mordor represents industry, the thing he most despised.
effigytormented 2 months ago
i prefer this frodo rahter than that pussy frodo in the movie
MYkelloGs 2 months ago
It's not the Precious!! Not the Precious!!!
Doperwtje81 2 months ago
Why would Tolkien have disliked this video, CoffeeTroll?
Findleyawesome 2 months ago
In my opinion, Tolkien would have disliked this video very much.
CoffeeTroll 2 months ago
maybe tolkien meant, "in a hole in the ground, there lived a rabbit" XD
yougottaluvmusic 3 months ago
the ring is a horcrux.
loganmakesfaces 3 months ago
@loganmakesfaces Do not bring Harry Potter into this. Harry Potter is a pop-up book compared to the Lord of the Rings.
DeadpoolisCanadian 2 months ago 3
@DeadpoolisCanadian I think people are allowed to make any comparisons they wish to. though I never said harry potter was better or greater to LOTR.
loganmakesfaces 1 month ago
@loganmakesfaces
grow up... comparing JKR to JRT is totaly pointless she added wizards to our world. Tolkien created a separated world with thousand years of history different religions,races, languages etc... its like JKR=kindergarden JRT= college
scupakus 2 months ago
thanks for the share!
DjEyesOpen 3 months ago
did they suddenly forget that hobbits have really curly hair and that bilbo was 50 years old but still had orange hair?
Leonidas19981 3 months ago
ok this is SO NOT LIKE what the books and movies are like........ this annoys me i mean bah i wont tell everything....... read the books and see the movies then you will understand. What Frodo does at the end it's so not like that im so f*cking annoyed about it.... btw great video really like it keep on..
MrZealot112 3 months ago
I think a lot of the comparisons here are weak.
SelfInflictedDeicide 3 months ago
tolkien and the guy who wrote the chronicles of narnia were both christian if what i have read is true they had a competition to see who could write the best books
Leonidas19981 3 months ago
@Leonidas19981 Actually, C.S. Lewis (writer of Narnia) was Athiest for 20 years before Tolkien converted him to Roman Catholic. But the book competition is true. TOLKIEN WINS!!!!
GodHammer227 3 months ago
that's not the ring!! it's fake! it's another ring!
EvilmarAgod 3 months ago
why make frodo a fat pathetic kid? the book describes him as skinny and clever
365billyjoelmaniac 3 months ago
i think the movie depicted them better
365billyjoelmaniac 3 months ago
tinygrannies ftw
Azeroc2601 4 months ago
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Azeroc2601 4 months ago
i wonder. couldn't they have tried to use scenes from the movies, just thinking.
TheKcoug1 4 months ago
AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ericdisney1 4 months ago
Tolkien would be spinning in his grave if he could see what his stories especially lord of the rings have become today and how they've changed the world.
MondoDeluxe18 5 months ago
No orcs whas created by melkor Or Mogroth he crated them in a imige of Elfs
Satakarnak 5 months ago
every time i see the hobbits i think of Elisha wood
litojonny 5 months ago
the first few seconds...he climbs the mountain....(nearly there!) (FALLS) (NOO!)
musicxfan64 5 months ago
@Timbongo666 Definitely H.P. Lovecraft
pansophia93 6 months ago
I love in the movie how Gandolf is a Great "Wizard" and then in harry potter he is again ha
TiffyTiTinic 6 months ago
hey, the one ring's supposed to be gold and unadorned... heck, a man's wedding band would do.
LadyAneh 6 months ago
i feel sorry that he was brittish and not canadian, he was never there to see the win at sommes that the canadians won alone after the brittish and french backed away
jasontester3 6 months ago
asgard, middlegard, and vangard its not that hard ik i proly got the last one rong
luvingames1 7 months ago
@luvingames1 vanaheim
eatinginfants 6 months ago
ohh and by the way, the elfs are inspierde by Hitlers nazi myth that aryans are some kind of halfgods descendant from Atlantis. Watch "Discovery.Channel: Nazis - The Occult Conspiracy"
timbongo666 7 months ago
@timbongo666 you sir, are an idiot. and a lying idiot as well. cite ONE primary source for your scurrilious, insulting remark. when you come back here and admit that you are a lying twit, and that tolkien was not influenced by the nazi pigs, you may be welcomed back into proper society. have a nice day punkass...
akitaman101 6 months ago
@akitaman101 you sir, should calm the fuck down, it dosent mean that tolkien was a nazi. the aryan myth just happend to fit what he wanted out of his elfs and it was just one out of hundreds mabey thousand of stories, legends, myths and homegrown fantasies that he used to create his mythos. ethier way the elf doesnt remind me of the nazis, i mean aragorn (human) was allowed to marry elf arwen (elf) and that doesnt sound very nazi like to me
timbongo666 6 months ago
@timbongo666
Yeah like Hitlers fables were original.
1 The base for the Elves are the legendary Sidhe from Ireland, while the name comes from the Norse word ,,alfar" meaning dwarves. The two got mixed up when the vikings had a presence in Great Britain. Little gossamer winged elves are a 1700/1800s invention.
2 Halfgod descendants of Attlanteans are talked about in Theosophical works (late 1800s) and possibluy earlier in some
Roger0Czerwonobrody 6 months ago
@timbongo666
british freemasonry lodges. Also in the original description by Plato it is mentioned that Atlanteans were descendants of Poseidon and that the priests of Egypt from which he got the story were survivors of Atlantis.
Roger0Czerwonobrody 6 months ago
@Roger0Czerwonobrody true, and dont forget helena blavatsky and guido von list but i guess that i don't have to explain that to you.... ethier way i think that HP Lovecraft should totally get a "clash of the gods"-episode
timbongo666 6 months ago
Hey, if J. R. R. Tolkien gets an episode then H. P. Lovecraft should get a episode about the whole Cthulhu Mythos!
timbongo666 7 months ago 10
The Lord of the Rings is the best thing that's happened to Earth.
kelseym4599 7 months ago
odin looks like a middle aged drunk
OMcomics 7 months ago
i wouldnt describe gollum as evil. He's spiteful and greedy but not evil
stethespaniard2 7 months ago
I knew the Lord of the Rings was real!
JohnnyRLambert 8 months ago
Hmmm...thought there would have been more mention of perhaps Merlin with Gandolf or King Arthur and the Knight of the Round Table with Frodo and his band of friends.
MaggotWolfify 8 months ago
gandalf = Oden = Jesus?! OMG The bible makes sense now!
CrimsonUltrafox 10 months ago
I always felt that Frodo was the "jesus" type character. Even though he doesn't really die, he is plagued by the suffering and temptation he has to endure. Sad to see that the book has a lot less of an optimistic ending than the movie does.
jamesdragonforce 10 months ago
i just dont get one thing.....the title of the show is clash of the gods...this has nothing to do with gods or greek mythology.....
sillyyface321 10 months ago
@sillyyface321 True, but it DOES deal with mythology in terms of archetypes, in a sense.
jjobie 10 months ago
your an idiot @sillyyface321
brz6969 10 months ago
@brz6969 y is that?
sillyyface321 10 months ago
starwars, dune, harry potter..........none compare to The hobbit and the lord of rings peroid.
MrBrooksGrant 11 months ago 10
TOLKIEN's works are the best fantasy read you'll ever get!
oberstul 11 months ago
Gollum looks like trollface ;D
iMuffinsx3 11 months ago
Nah, I'm pretty sure the real story of The Lord of the Rings was The Lord of the Rings.
dragoniguana 1 year ago
@dragoniguana every movi they made has always been edited for a better story and appeal to viewers, for examples when they made the movies troy, beowolf, clash of the titans, thor and many others... ofcourse they are a better story, but not the original one...
arriesdavid 11 months ago
im glad they didnt use the visuals from the movies. i like to see different interpretations of what the characters looked like, not just peter jacksons. i never believed elijah wood was a middle aged hobbit, now people associate frodo and sam with youth and they were both near middle aged in the trilogy
eatinginfants 1 year ago
jk did the same thing in her last harry potter book, breaks in a vault to steal a gold cup and escapes on a dragon. its one of my fave parts of that book.
the master writers can take those old stories and retell them in a fresh way.
shoobedoorocketship 1 year ago
@shoobedoorocketship it also makes the stories more believable. i prefer fantasy writers who, judging by their stories, appear to be familiar with old myths, folklore, fairy tales, and sagas
eatinginfants 1 year ago 16
@eatinginfants That's because they understand what good storytelling is.
THEGREATMAX 8 months ago
how could they not mention the ringwraiths or the urukai?
kingofgames1220 1 year ago
One thing that annoys me is that their depiction of Oden is a man with 2 eyes, when one of the main things about Oden is that he sacreficed one of his eyes to gain wisdom, Only relevant if you know about Oden, but still.
blablomma 1 year ago 33
@blablomma yeah when they miss details like that it makes you question the accuracy of their research and assertions
eatinginfants 1 year ago
@eatinginfants they pretty much left out some other details like samwise and left out the part that gollum was leading frodo to mordor. they should've added that gollum had split personalities.
supermechadeath333 6 months ago
@blablomma Look carefully. One of the eyes is artificial.
TheLittleRussian2 10 months ago
@blablomma I must agree. Those who REALLY know their mythologies would be aware of details like that.
AnimeAngel88 9 months ago
@blablomma Odin*
lipnix 7 months ago
@lipnix sorry, forgot to use the english spelling of his name and just kept using the swedish spelling.
blablomma 7 months ago
frrodo is fat
JplaysBass3 1 year ago
o come on they really could't jus use the amazin visuals from the movie?
Gary500 1 year ago
Really awesome thx a lot for the upload
masterknaster 1 year ago