Can someone tell me this. How come after nearly 100 years of you Republicans complaining and fighting, the North is still British? And why is it that presently the Republican movement is on a downward trend, and that more people in the North would rather remain with London than link up with Dublin?
@LordWellington15 Give it another decade or so and the catholic population will be the majority and the prods the minority, its all ready near 53-47% or something, and thousands of prods are leaving every year. The border areas have all ready been cleared of prod farmers etc by intimidation and threats. Not a surprise the prods feel under siege, im irish catholic on my dads side, born in the uk, love british military history, but hate what went down there, really fucking sad
@chrisM33 53-47? HA! In your dreams! Just face it, Republicanism is on decline, the Queen has gone to Ireland, and the Sinn feinn is dwindling. Go to google, search "sinn fein survey" and hit the first link.
OKAY like I said...listening to what other people said rather than listening to yourself was the main problem. i don't give a flipping shit what republicans think and i don't give a rats arse about what loyalists think. Atrocities like this exist in the world b/c ppl are fucking stupid and listen to what dead ppl say rather than living amongst the living.
@LordWellington15 You came to our land then discriminated against us, had the police force on your side and when we went on civil rights marches the British soldiers shot 13 of us dead. Remember the Birmingham 5? Five innocent civilians put in prison for 25 years because they were northern irish Catholics. The British have treated Ireland badly for 800 years. May I ask you this if Germany took Britain in the second world war and eventually gave them back their independence but still held onto
It seems everytime I ask this question, all you Republicans seem to choke up or stop replying to me, so I will ask this question once again. Why is it that after nearly 100 years of RA terrorism the North still remains British?
@LordWellington15 Well well, first of all it was not 'IRA Terrorism' the IRA were not a terrorist group but an insurgent group. Secondly the troubles began in 1969. Thirdly The Republic of Ireland is free from British Rule. Fourthly Northern Ireland remains in British control because the majority of the people up there are Protestan/Unionist. Finally if it wasnt for the Troubles, the Catholic/nationalists of Northern Ireland would still be discriminated against by the protestant majority. FACT
@ocallaghan1916 Its not propaganda, its true. Just look up "survey deals blow to sinn fein hopes of united ireland" and click the first one. And by the way, my neighbour is a Catholic from Antrim.
@fitzy545 Thats exactly what the survey said. It said there would be people like you saying it was bs and only Loyalist were surveyed. If you read it carefully it explains how it is not biased and it is in fact true.
@LordWellington15 the survey is not accurate most of england want ireland to be united same with scotland and the free state so i dont know who is doin that survey cause its shite do a vote and see what happins
@fitzy545 LOL! If they want that why are there still so many Orange parades in Scotland and in England. Why are the Rangers FC supported so much in Scotland and around the world? I have many English neighbours, and opposed to your Republican BS they want Northern Ireland to stay British. Few English, if any want a united Ireland.
@LordWellington15 rangers supported around the world??? showing your little proddy ways there now aint you the only people who support rangers are anti irish like neo nazis scum like that and why do the orange men march in scotland?? cause they march past catholic irish communities because there scum the irish march in scotland ,england,wales ...ALL OVER AMERICA all over the fuckin world dick head ha any way i sussed out your a anti irish brit so FUCK OFF GO RIDE YOUR GRANNY
@fitzy545 Thast funny last time I checked Celtic fans chant IRA, support the IRA, and support child molesters. You lot are the shame of Scotland. And infact, Orangemen in Scotland do not march in catholic areas, never have, never will. Why? Because 85% of Scotland is Protestant. So you can take your fairy tales somewhere else. You are not fooling me you ignorant bastard.
@LordWellington15 ha ha yoou orange cunts have no idea even why you huns march ha do you fuckin fool celtic will always have more support around the world than you scumbag huns .... support child molesters??? UP THE RA YOU STUPID FILTHY HUN and your pathetic statistics means fuckin nothing to me with your stupid english name the scots dont want tobe part of you union any more so dont know why you keep bringing that up
well if you ave ever been there you would no that its not british. its by far the most patriotic part of ireland. the british remain in ireland but stay in their huts and need armoured cars and helicoptersto gt from one place to another. if ireland was so british they wouldnt need that kind of protection now would they?
@ohare1916 LOL! You have obviously never been to Northern Ireland. Have you ever seen a Republican parade? Its complete shite. Tiny bands, people showing up in pajamas. The 12th on the other hand is much more glamorous, and ever since the peace process, the turnout at Orange parades has been going up. If you are not to scared to face the truth search "survey deals blow to republicans" and click the first link.
i live in belfast u moron. the reason the 12th is so 'glamorous' is because the british government makes sure its well funded to enforce the divide in ireland. you say majority this and majority that, its crap. the border is used as an excuse for britain to remain in ireland. there is only one true majority in ireland and thats the fucking IRISH
the british are hypocrits. they claim to support democracy and freedom yet they deny the irish these very same principles. the irish clearly voted for their independence back in the 1918 general election but this was ignored by the british. now for british ignorance, the ira have been born and because of this and whatever shape or form they may take, they will never stop until the occupying british are obliterated from this land
@ohare1916 Um, actually you are an idiot. Have you never heard of the Ulster Volunteer Force? 500 000 fighting men opposed independence, with another 250 000 women and children. The south got their independence, while in 1921 the North of Ireland was formed for those in the North who DID NOT want independence, You are idiot, learn to read history before making retarded comments. You republicans know-it-all's make me laugh every time I read your stupid comments.
your a fuckig muppet.i'd like to put a bullet in your fucking heading you english tan bastard. i'd get great pleasure in killing your whole fucking family you cunt!
your a fuckig muppet.i'd like to put a bullet in your fucking head you english tan bastard. i'd get great pleasure in killing your whole fucking family you cunt!
@ohare1916 Right right, you go on ad do that. All you Republicans are the same, you fight wars on the internet where no one knows who you are. Go cry to your mother.
@ohare1916 So, this is you!? I read this down at the station upon a weekly summary report - ISP identification has been recorded with details submitted to the relevant authorities for further investigation into threatening remarks by user 'ohare1916'. Police investigation initiated.
@ohare1916 55% catholic 20% protestant in the north in 2011, they can go back to scotland when we are one.
i mean we where an irish gaelic people before they came over and for those that decend that from those are simple, feckle and cannot accept the true culture of eire can feck off!!!
@shmiggen, yes that would be the good, sensible choice but unfortunately old, bitter men on both sides want to keep hating and they send that hatred down to their kids. Look where The Irish Republic is now, it is down the toilet, so will the Catholics want Irish rule now?
What if Ulster united with the rest of Ireland as a province of the republic. Just like the original four green fields: Ulster, Connaught, Leinster and Munster. Ulster could still be a part of a united Ireland but be a separate province with Belfast as capitol. Keep your Protestant Ulster identity but be a province within a united Ireland. That's the way to go, my friend.
It will never be over u fucking loser limeys Ur army sucks Ur lucky u got austrailia America shits on that whole. London dungeon shit whole. And fuck Ur old bag of a queen. What a joke prince Charles is. He looks like a fucking. COWARD !!!!!!!!
@LordWellington15 If anything.. Britain should worry about Britain. Haven't you got your own mess to sort out ? Your council estates, your teenage pregnancies, your outdated, ridiculous class system, your poverty and race relations and the whole sordid mess that your country has become.
@AmersfoortTristan And I think that the perfect solution for it all would be Scottish and Welsh Independence. Not too mention Irish unification. And if the Ulster loyalists want to remain part of Britain= put them on a plane to London.
We cant go back to this , people . I cannot begin to fathem why these dissident republicans running around bombing the country at the minute or anyone for that matter would possibly want to throw us back into this chaos . watch the end of this video and see for yourself what 3 decades of extreme violence did to this country.
@MrIrishrover2010 LOL! We made? Ireland is British, but you Taigs think you can just have it all to yourselves. Not gonna happen, there are to many Loyalists. In all the years there has been a republic there has been no united Ireland, and now that you Taigs are bankrupt there is even a lesser chance of a united Ireland. Northern Ireland is British, there would be far less trouble if you Taigs figured this out. The famine is over, why dont you go home.
@LordWellington15 lmao that statement is completely retarded you spastic, "The famine is over, so why not go home?" is something the loyalist wankers like you in scotland say to the people descended from irish who immigrated there during the famine are you really trying to apply that to the people living in the north?? lol you are a moron, and no wonder your a canadian hun lmao a plastic hun thats a new one
@niall2910 Britain is not actually that far behind us in that respect, and anyway take the ups with the downs...we were flying 10 years ago, who's to say what it will be like 10 years down the line.
Typical British perspective. The British army wasn't "holding two sides apart", it was actively aiding one side as was bloody obvious at the time and is now indisputable.
@Gaudd indeed it is a typical british perspective, which in a sense is a reminder of the amount of propaganda the british press was spewing out at the time, i doubt collusion would of much interested the makers of this documentary -it doesn't fit their naritive
The prime minister said the 'black sunday' was the paratrooper fault in killing 14 innocents people....But from wwi....come out yea black and tans...and give ireland its last six counties.
@calBHA1 I'm staying in suburban east london at the moment and i am fairly liberal but some of these people drive that old hatred that i thought i got rid of, back to its rawest form, they won't listen or understand. Some are all right but most of the locals keep banging on about the troubles ,a bunch of headwreckers who cant move on is the conclusion, They still worry that a massive attack is going to take place. if they cant understand the word peace i can only deem them as thick, unforttunate
What a grim picture back in 1981 when this film was made. How different things have turned out 30 years later! A generation have now grown up, not knowing what these times were like. There is still much to do but progress is moving forward as time goes on. Stop knit-picking blame, accept the mistakes that ALL of us made, and move forward together...
I've come away from it with a much better understanding of the reasons for the conflict. And I must confess I am left thinking, " . . . that's it?! THAT'S the reason civilians had to die?! Because of the 'struggle'?". Glamorised savagery.
what i dont get is why do the britts and loyalist think their entitled to anything on the irish island,in the 1600's it was the crown who forcably took land from the irish and moved in english folks who were either kiss asses to the crown or for political favor, why do loylaist think that something is theirs when it was stolen from someone else in the first place? thats like me stealing you car and then driving it to your house and asking you to ride in my new car,makes no sense to me
Mr C it really makes no sense, i too am an american, and the things that have happened in ireland since the Normans Invaded remind me of certain situations here in the USA in regards to the european settlers and native indians,
well the treat-meant of Ireland under Cromwell kind of set the method of how the British would treat other peoples. Why they feel this air of entitlement to Ireland, just as we feel we have entitlement to Iraq I can't understand, But yet, I say live and let live and after the RIRA attack in march I the think the Irish are slowly saying that as well.
i'm an irish catholic, and used to live with a protestant, who agreed with me when i raised this arguement. also, even the signing over of the 6 counties wasn't meant as a long term plan, it was meant to stop the killing and move the goal of a free nation forward, but i literally cannot understand the loyalist perspective.
As I have always said when that question is asked, the loyalist perspective is that they have been their for hundreds of years, rightly or wrongly, same as white people in Australia and America, why should they suffer because of something that happened hundreds of years ago?
I have both Catholic and Proddy parents, and because of that they had to move from Belfast a long time ago.
@mahargraham85 yo, thanks for your comment, you have put some perspective on the matter for me, and i appreciate that. what i will say as an irishman who has lived for 5 years in the north, with regards to your point about america and australia, Unionists insist on flying the Union Jack all over the north, which is a symbol of the oppression faced by the irish in the past. it's very antagonizing, but thank you for your feedback, i appreciate debate. as we've seen, it works better than violence
A lot of those flags have been taken down (at least where I live) And the Republicans do it as well, but I always found them quite helpful, often after a few drinks my sense of direction goes and there is nothing that sobers you up more then walking around a corner and seeing the Tri- colour and a PIRA mural, you start heading back the way you came very quickly!
i hear that. i've wandered down a wrong street or two in my time and there's no quicker sobering image than cromwell staring back at you. you make a hasty exit
you have a point, but thats history, what I want to know is why because somebodys great great great great grandfather stole your great great great great grandfathers car and took the piss you think its ok to blow me up?
i dont condone the terror activities, but i understand why they pull that stuff, what upsets me is why no country stood up and chastized the crown for what they were doing, Great Britan formally took a stand against Aparthied in South Africa in the 80's but then turned around and applied the same bias and gerrymandering against irish catholics in Ulster
Oh its called hypocrisy, it happens all the time, like the people with a problem with the war in Iraq didnt mind the same thing Serbia a few years before, or that Iran arming Hezbollah =bad but the French arming the Argies during the Falklands = ok, or that someone can call a terrorist group terrorist but another freedom fighters, depending what part of a city they live, but if everyone treated everyone like they should we wouldn't have such fun discussions on the internet would we? O_0
this is the first discussion ive had in the internet that didnt turninto one of those fuck you yankee interloper things,i do enjoy not having to deal with that while discussing this, and yes this whole situation reeks of hypocracy, which is amazing considering all these countries consider themselves "Civilized" nations
@mahargraham85 you obviously want an answer well ill explain it for you.OK us british have an army/nucular weapons/navy/airforce we have the best special forces unit in the world we are in the top ten wealthiest countrys in the world we have a secret service (MI5) we we have the strongest relationship with the united states of america another massive world power so we invade other countries it not because we want to (ITS BECAUSE WE CAN) : )
@MelMelsNRich Why should you have more ownership in this country than me? I've lived here all my life and my family have all contributed to this country over the decades or even centuries so what right do you have to say we have no claim to anything here.
@MelMelsNRich ,from your use of language and spelling errors,im assuming you are american,and as such didn,t your ancestors steal land from native americans "forcibly"?isn't there a little thread of hypocrisy running through the fabric of your argument? we were in ireland before YOU were in america,think about it.
precisely, though BEFORE 1921 protestants had no problem calling themselves irish. & the point is "northern ireland" wasn't created through the wishes of the countries people, therefore it was an undemocratic solution which was built on sectarian alienation. nobody with any intelligence would refute that unionists have an equal right to be here, but the truth is that irish people had their nationhood & national identity stolen from them. what could have been the alternative though? i don't know.
you're comparing native americans & irish, yet native americans and white british colonisers never coexisted in north america wherein the natives had a huge majority. a more apt analogy would be if the british came to conquer america, only succeeded in colonising 1 corner enough, after a few centuries britain formed a new state where they could become a majority even though they were a minority, the 'natives' were discriminated against in this state & a violent resistance movement was revived.
because ulster wasn't colonised ENOUGH to create a viable state, they had to include too many catholics in the deal. the brits & unionists were selfish - they had to be for the new state to be sustainable, this is something you wouldn't hear them admitting though. they didn't revise the border when they took fermanagh & tyrone who had nationalist majorities. this community then being treated like 2nd class citizens on their own land - told to put up or shut up - was a disaster waiting to happen.
@monogirl3 ,the natives had a huge majority until the were swamped with europeans who tried their hardest to wipe them all out so they could steal land,and in northern ireland protestants/unionists are in the majority,i cant deny discrimination took place,it did,but look at america,how many native americans are there in the forbes 100,ive not looked,but im assuming there wont be many. dont give me 'more apt analogies',the simple simple fact is the natives were invaded by white oppressors,fact.
@garethella No there is No hypocrisy, I can say with 100% confidence and certainty that not one of my ancestors took any land or otherwise from any native tribe on the north american continent, my ancestors were still in europe more specifically County Cork, back when Ireland was still called the Irish Free State and didnt migrate to the states untill the early 20th century, by that time the damage had already been done!
@MelMelsNRich ,so you moved once the damage had been done?well thats alright then,the generations previous did your dirty work for you by almost eradicating the native americans,you just reaped the benefit,if the native americans started a terrorist/freedom fighting movement to rid the usa of white rule,i suppose you would support it??like you support irish republicanism ,its exactly the same thing,your family moved on to stolen land,so they never stole it,so what ,its still STOLEN.
@garethella This is fine example of the retrogressive negative mentalilty that i am talking about, ancestors land being stolen. Your land wasn't taken you didnt live through oppression directly. I'm guessin your another hardline southerner holding on to an archaic belief that one should take all. Give it rest your butting your head against a brick wall. All involved with a pilot type governance may lead to an actual all inclusive change to one nation together, peacefully,equally, liberally
@garethella you counterpoint holds no water....It was British settlers who forcably took the land, and this was endorsed by the Crown,and british business interests and seeing as i am not of english stock, they werent any of my ancestors! lets not forget the French and the Dutch, they also had a hand in the settlement of North America and outlying islands to the south and west
@MelMelsNRich james connolly summed it up in 1913, "I have explained before how the master class had sought its ends in North-East Ulster. How the lands were stolen from Catholics, given to Episcopalians, but planted by Presbyterians; how the latter were persecuted by the Government, but could not avoid the necessity of defending it against the Catholics, and how out of this complicated situation there inevitably grew up a feeling of common interests between the slaves and the slave-drivers."
@monogirl3 I dont think i'm debating a creed struggle with u , religion and its place has faded away & the underpinning economic factors now lie solely in ctrl of how to tackle this present and 2moros problem.I see a regionalist federalist approach being the key solution that might actually work. A strong Liberal party in south which could merge with any fringe elemnets in both strong repub and Union parties t'fore creating a new alternative.And god damn us irish not 2 see wood from trees.
@DaithimacSionnach yes, just making it clear though i'm not a unionist.. but i believe their interests need to be provided for, at least in part. i think the federal approach should have been adopted in the 1st place. implementing such a change today would take huge dedication & focus from governments north & south. i am, however, dubious that the southern govt would assert themselves so as to accommodate this. it has largely been their mantra that the north's more trouble than it's worth.
@MelMelsNRich The now mels rich , how do we fix the now inclusively, "solutions that seem possible so that search for process can begin to LEAD to concilation"
@MelMelsNRich I think you should understand completely why loyalists think that, considering your American, and did the same thing to the Natives of America only a couple of hundred years ago. Would you leave if the UN decided that the government of the USA was not ligitimate, and would have to be handed back to the Native Americans, along with some form of payment for the genocide against there people?
@MelMelsNRich Wow, you watched this and that's how you think of it?
The view from the British people has always been so long as they wants to be a part of the UK they can be, the majority of people didn't want to be separated when Ireland got independence, so that happened, the mistake the government made, as governments do, was not to intervene and stop the discrimination.
You're US, so don't preach to us about our problems, you're still very racist in certain areas.
a very impartel view which is pretty much as it happen as i was 5 when it started and grew up in strabane co tryrone not good times so please dont go bac to them i saw many bad things as a child do not go bac to that
Hear hear. I grew up in the Republic so luckily I didn't witness any violence etc but it is great to see a prolonged period of peace in the North. Hopefully "The Troubles" will be made history forever and we progress peacefully.
You British wankers were so busy worrying over our country that you let yours be taken over by the Third World. Now you geniuses have7/7, Bradford , Londonistan, honour killings, Sharia Law next? Irony of ironies. Nice one guys. LOL
No the u.v.f were killing catholics in 1966 and they killed an r.u.c officer in 1969 and they bombed a number of power plants in 69 as well way before the provos got started,and sure catholics were treated like 2nd class citizens and the british government did nothing about it,and when catholics had civil right marches they would get attacked by loyalists and the r.u.c,so no loyalists did kick it off,and british troops were only there to prop up a hate filled unionist government.
At the end of the day it was mainly the loyalists that kicked off the troubles what else could catholics do,and as for the ira they fought the brits the only way they could with guerrilla warfare,sure anyway i thought britain was suppose to be great all there great for is destroying countries leaving them in shit and of course jailing the birmingham six and guildford four for crimes they didnt commit,great british justice alright.
The brits knew who 90% of the IRGAY and their supporters where. Do you really think if they sent 10,000 troops with all the kit ie tanks ,attack choppers, bombers and all the other shit with them the IRGAY would have won the war ?.Didn't think so thats why the IRGAY had to hide behind women and kids and people out shopping then bomb them because their cowards.
my family is o neill, that is my country. go fuck your yourself, thats my country, o neill, irish protestant is my shit shit, i rep the ulster flag,fuck catholism
The IRA may have been good at what they done, but they never won either. If the British Army hadn't fighting with both arms tied behind their backs they would have been victorious!
There's only one future for Northern Ireland: Together you are strong!
Stop sectarian iditiosm! You have to create an attractive economic environment for you and future generations! Fight unemployment not different communities!
Boring bullshit the only thing thing that's free in Ireland is the rain. The spectacular IRGAY bombing was a motor fired from a truck which missed the house and landed in the garden watched through bomb proof glass by John Major and his cabinet resulting in yet another fail. Face Adams now sucks Euro cock for handouts and you lost just get over yourself already.
No that is true. The British army ended the IRA's Ability to fight and achieve its aims through violence. Thats why the Real IRA stoped fighting, and yes while the IRA still exist's it wont ever be able to exist in the way it did before. Nowhere in my coment did i say that the IRA had been defated, its jsut forced to try and achive its aims through by peaceful means hence the reason Sinn fein exist's in the way it does now.
Its funny that you miss out the part in which the report says that it also ended the IRA's ability to achive its AIms through violence. The IRA will never get what it wants, it no longer has the support that it once had. More people In NI including CATHOLICS want to be part of the Uk. At the end of the day they always were a bunch of cowards and always will be. And why are you going on about Zionism? your so ignorant and full of republican proaganda you dont even know what that means!
shut up. you have no idea what your talking about. ye shud have stayed in your own shithole country and all the troubles would have been avoided. but you recon killing all of us is a better way for the troubles to be avoided? fucking sick.
You talk as if the ira won. They didn't the north is still part of the uk, your cowards as you killed those men about 6 months ago when they weren't even expecting it. FFS your all also retarded one of them was a nationalist.
Bet your a taig with an irish background, aren't u?
Please explain History will not be kind to Britain. Do you not mean History was not kind to Britain? If so then your wrong, people used to treat us with respect coz if they didn't we hanged them.
Thats all true but removed from peaceful solution their factions to consider so that this peace can last by easing those who are opposed into a New Hibernia gradually, when we were together we were a formidable country with great turnover then London became greedy and possibly jealous of the Patriots , enter the Act of Union 1801, the regionalist solution may be the only possible and realistic solution to the Irish Question without anymore bloodshed or heartbreaking communal strife.
Unionists make me sad/laugh. They claim allegiance to a country that has never, and never will, give a shit about them. If Britain could leave Ireland tomorrow morning it would, and they would breathe a hugh sigh of relief.
They dpnt give a fuck about anyone or anything other then the quids lining their pockets matey. Their a shower of robbing cunts whove done nowt for anyone but themselves.
@whonut Do u know that the Ulster Protestants who migrated to America foremd the core of racist anti-Black , anti-Catholic organizations like the Orange Order and the Ku Klux Klan. Also , the Ulster Protestants in USA were called "Poor White Trash" and "Redneck" by the Blacks as well as the Americans of British descent (Yankees).
Since the 1800s the English have known that the Irish can't be beaten or made to conform to their way of life. NOW is the time for us all to make peace together. For the sake of the future.
A regionalist Federalist Democratic Republic with devoled Government in each Region or province this Includes Stormont, Munster,Dublin and east,
The midlands, west West to North west.
All to be governed by shared heads of state under one entire government so we can all get along rule our own and make Ireland together a great nation of peace , prosperity and every willing homestead fincially sound as well competing economically on the world Stage. Hibernia she will rise from the ashes.
Forget 'democratic' in the title - it normally means 'too far to the Left'. Ireland is a small island out in the middle of the Atlantic - it needs jobs and free markets. It does not need state-led socialism.
wat we don't need is your president saying that irelands no vote on lisbon did not matter, now that he has cried and kicked like a child yhe eu has amended the treaty and now we back to polls sept 25, to sell our souls to satan and give up national pride
@DaithimacSionnach i think a federal ireland is the way forward too, with an ulster parliament where ulster people can hold british citizenship and have loose ties to westminster. realistically, the NI state cannot survive longterm. we're so heavily dependant on handouts from the british to sustain the economy and our livelihood. the peace we have is amazing but our politics is still so tribal & with nationalist vote steadily increasing year after year there will have to be reform at some stage.
@monogirl3 Excuse the tardiness of my response , i imagine you are from a unionist tradition and if ss this is a positive step. The retrogressive mentality held by many who have a stake in this situation has to become redundant for all the people involved to evolve to future state of political stability and self governance. Dependence on Britain is an obsolete form of economic expansion due to the shrinking of the world and its trading links.We are together for life!!!
i'm from neither tradition in the sense that i wasn't brought up with a political ideology or a religion. maybe that is why i am not automatically tribal in mentality. i'm also half english. i fully consider myself an irish girl though.
people can't look at the future of NI as "i was born into this family therefore i firmly believe..." anymore. i think there's a solution & a way forward that is best for everyone, & it doesn't lie solely along traditional lines of republicanism or unionism.
England Dont want Northern Ireland and with the current economic climate reunification or the talk of this will be put back, we are more understanding of each other these days with world changing so rapid in terms of identity and communication we are one people with differing faiths of course but this is becoming a weaker and weaker excuse for us to disagree as the years of change roll on.
Can someone tell me this. How come after nearly 100 years of you Republicans complaining and fighting, the North is still British? And why is it that presently the Republican movement is on a downward trend, and that more people in the North would rather remain with London than link up with Dublin?
LordWellington15 1 month ago
@LordWellington15 Give it another decade or so and the catholic population will be the majority and the prods the minority, its all ready near 53-47% or something, and thousands of prods are leaving every year. The border areas have all ready been cleared of prod farmers etc by intimidation and threats. Not a surprise the prods feel under siege, im irish catholic on my dads side, born in the uk, love british military history, but hate what went down there, really fucking sad
chrisM33 1 month ago
@chrisM33 53-47? HA! In your dreams! Just face it, Republicanism is on decline, the Queen has gone to Ireland, and the Sinn feinn is dwindling. Go to google, search "sinn fein survey" and hit the first link.
LordWellington15 1 month ago
@LordWellington15 Every time I go to any sinn fein site if I click on anything it tries to redirect me to a child porn webring.
BintCrusher 1 month ago
@BintCrusher lol
winthroppershing 3 days ago
THE I THE I THE IRA!!!!!!!!!!!
ohare1916 2 months ago
OKAY like I said...listening to what other people said rather than listening to yourself was the main problem. i don't give a flipping shit what republicans think and i don't give a rats arse about what loyalists think. Atrocities like this exist in the world b/c ppl are fucking stupid and listen to what dead ppl say rather than living amongst the living.
IrishKnight89 2 months ago
@AncelNeamh it had everything to do with territory, and listening too much to what your grandpa said, just b/c he was cool and smoked pipes...
IrishKnight89 2 months ago
@LordWellington15 You came to our land then discriminated against us, had the police force on your side and when we went on civil rights marches the British soldiers shot 13 of us dead. Remember the Birmingham 5? Five innocent civilians put in prison for 25 years because they were northern irish Catholics. The British have treated Ireland badly for 800 years. May I ask you this if Germany took Britain in the second world war and eventually gave them back their independence but still held onto
KevRudolf 4 months ago
This is why we atheists will win in the end...
MightyAlz 5 months ago
@MightyAlz If you think this was about religion you are wrong ... you internet atheists are annoying
TokingOnCheese 4 months ago
It seems everytime I ask this question, all you Republicans seem to choke up or stop replying to me, so I will ask this question once again. Why is it that after nearly 100 years of RA terrorism the North still remains British?
LordWellington15 7 months ago
@LordWellington15 Well well, first of all it was not 'IRA Terrorism' the IRA were not a terrorist group but an insurgent group. Secondly the troubles began in 1969. Thirdly The Republic of Ireland is free from British Rule. Fourthly Northern Ireland remains in British control because the majority of the people up there are Protestan/Unionist. Finally if it wasnt for the Troubles, the Catholic/nationalists of Northern Ireland would still be discriminated against by the protestant majority. FACT
ocallaghan1916 6 months ago
@ocallaghan1916 You know what else is a fact, the fact that 74% of Catholics want to remain part of the UK.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 not true, that protestant propaganda, I doubt you know a single cathiolic from he north anyway
ocallaghan1916 6 months ago
@ocallaghan1916 Its not propaganda, its true. Just look up "survey deals blow to sinn fein hopes of united ireland" and click the first one. And by the way, my neighbour is a Catholic from Antrim.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 that survey is a load of bollox who voted for this cause i didnt
fitzy545 6 months ago
@fitzy545 Thats exactly what the survey said. It said there would be people like you saying it was bs and only Loyalist were surveyed. If you read it carefully it explains how it is not biased and it is in fact true.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 the survey is not accurate most of england want ireland to be united same with scotland and the free state so i dont know who is doin that survey cause its shite do a vote and see what happins
fitzy545 6 months ago
@fitzy545 LOL! If they want that why are there still so many Orange parades in Scotland and in England. Why are the Rangers FC supported so much in Scotland and around the world? I have many English neighbours, and opposed to your Republican BS they want Northern Ireland to stay British. Few English, if any want a united Ireland.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 rangers supported around the world??? showing your little proddy ways there now aint you the only people who support rangers are anti irish like neo nazis scum like that and why do the orange men march in scotland?? cause they march past catholic irish communities because there scum the irish march in scotland ,england,wales ...ALL OVER AMERICA all over the fuckin world dick head ha any way i sussed out your a anti irish brit so FUCK OFF GO RIDE YOUR GRANNY
fitzy545 6 months ago
@fitzy545 Thast funny last time I checked Celtic fans chant IRA, support the IRA, and support child molesters. You lot are the shame of Scotland. And infact, Orangemen in Scotland do not march in catholic areas, never have, never will. Why? Because 85% of Scotland is Protestant. So you can take your fairy tales somewhere else. You are not fooling me you ignorant bastard.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 ha ha yoou orange cunts have no idea even why you huns march ha do you fuckin fool celtic will always have more support around the world than you scumbag huns .... support child molesters??? UP THE RA YOU STUPID FILTHY HUN and your pathetic statistics means fuckin nothing to me with your stupid english name the scots dont want tobe part of you union any more so dont know why you keep bringing that up
C.I.R.A
ERIN GO BRAGH
T.A.L
BRITS OUT..................................!
fitzy545 6 months ago
@fitzy545 haha still sad over the fact that I beat you?
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 beat me with what?? is there something wrong with you
fitzy545 6 months ago
@LordWellington15 You said '74 % of catholics want to remain part of the UK' the unreliable survey that I viewed says 52%...care to explain?
ocallaghan1916 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
well if you ave ever been there you would no that its not british. its by far the most patriotic part of ireland. the british remain in ireland but stay in their huts and need armoured cars and helicoptersto gt from one place to another. if ireland was so british they wouldnt need that kind of protection now would they?
ohare1916 6 months ago
@ohare1916 LOL! You have obviously never been to Northern Ireland. Have you ever seen a Republican parade? Its complete shite. Tiny bands, people showing up in pajamas. The 12th on the other hand is much more glamorous, and ever since the peace process, the turnout at Orange parades has been going up. If you are not to scared to face the truth search "survey deals blow to republicans" and click the first link.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
i live in belfast u moron. the reason the 12th is so 'glamorous' is because the british government makes sure its well funded to enforce the divide in ireland. you say majority this and majority that, its crap. the border is used as an excuse for britain to remain in ireland. there is only one true majority in ireland and thats the fucking IRISH
ohare1916 6 months ago
@ohare1916 And yet all you republicans say Britain wants nothing to do with us? You're a fool.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
the british are hypocrits. they claim to support democracy and freedom yet they deny the irish these very same principles. the irish clearly voted for their independence back in the 1918 general election but this was ignored by the british. now for british ignorance, the ira have been born and because of this and whatever shape or form they may take, they will never stop until the occupying british are obliterated from this land
ohare1916 6 months ago
@ohare1916 Um, actually you are an idiot. Have you never heard of the Ulster Volunteer Force? 500 000 fighting men opposed independence, with another 250 000 women and children. The south got their independence, while in 1921 the North of Ireland was formed for those in the North who DID NOT want independence, You are idiot, learn to read history before making retarded comments. You republicans know-it-all's make me laugh every time I read your stupid comments.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
your a fuckig muppet.i'd like to put a bullet in your fucking heading you english tan bastard. i'd get great pleasure in killing your whole fucking family you cunt!
ohare1916 6 months ago
@LordWellington15
your a fuckig muppet.i'd like to put a bullet in your fucking head you english tan bastard. i'd get great pleasure in killing your whole fucking family you cunt!
ohare1916 6 months ago
@ohare1916 Right right, you go on ad do that. All you Republicans are the same, you fight wars on the internet where no one knows who you are. Go cry to your mother.
LordWellington15 6 months ago
@ohare1916 So, this is you!? I read this down at the station upon a weekly summary report - ISP identification has been recorded with details submitted to the relevant authorities for further investigation into threatening remarks by user 'ohare1916'. Police investigation initiated.
beuchars 5 months ago
@ohare1916 55% catholic 20% protestant in the north in 2011, they can go back to scotland when we are one.
i mean we where an irish gaelic people before they came over and for those that decend that from those are simple, feckle and cannot accept the true culture of eire can feck off!!!
mattmcnerlin 5 months ago
@shmiggen, yes that would be the good, sensible choice but unfortunately old, bitter men on both sides want to keep hating and they send that hatred down to their kids. Look where The Irish Republic is now, it is down the toilet, so will the Catholics want Irish rule now?
Sukkii25 7 months ago
What if Ulster united with the rest of Ireland as a province of the republic. Just like the original four green fields: Ulster, Connaught, Leinster and Munster. Ulster could still be a part of a united Ireland but be a separate province with Belfast as capitol. Keep your Protestant Ulster identity but be a province within a united Ireland. That's the way to go, my friend.
shmiggen 8 months ago
It will never be over u fucking loser limeys Ur army sucks Ur lucky u got austrailia America shits on that whole. London dungeon shit whole. And fuck Ur old bag of a queen. What a joke prince Charles is. He looks like a fucking. COWARD !!!!!!!!
scronan88 9 months ago
More Brits should be dead they invaded we fought potato famine they starved Ireland fuck them limey bastards
scronan88 9 months ago
United Ireland!
Invade the South!
LordWellington15 10 months ago
@LordWellington15 fuck off ya cunt
TheDS00 9 months ago
@TheDS00 You Taigs are always whining for a united Ireland, so I am telling you how to have it.
LordWellington15 9 months ago
@LordWellington15 If anything.. Britain should worry about Britain. Haven't you got your own mess to sort out ? Your council estates, your teenage pregnancies, your outdated, ridiculous class system, your poverty and race relations and the whole sordid mess that your country has become.
AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
@AmersfoortTristan And I think that the perfect solution for it all would be Scottish and Welsh Independence. Not too mention Irish unification. And if the Ulster loyalists want to remain part of Britain= put them on a plane to London.
AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
@AmersfoortTristan Incase you hadn't noticed, Northern Ireland IS Britain.
LordWellington15 1 month ago
We cant go back to this , people . I cannot begin to fathem why these dissident republicans running around bombing the country at the minute or anyone for that matter would possibly want to throw us back into this chaos . watch the end of this video and see for yourself what 3 decades of extreme violence did to this country.
MrChristophe156 10 months ago
muslims are the bigger threat to christians now
Mrforestman59 1 year ago
@Mrforestman59
half true sorry
Chrits55 11 months ago
n.ireland will always have these problems.. it is just another mess that the brittish state made.
MrIrishrover2010 1 year ago
@MrIrishrover2010 LOL! We made? Ireland is British, but you Taigs think you can just have it all to yourselves. Not gonna happen, there are to many Loyalists. In all the years there has been a republic there has been no united Ireland, and now that you Taigs are bankrupt there is even a lesser chance of a united Ireland. Northern Ireland is British, there would be far less trouble if you Taigs figured this out. The famine is over, why dont you go home.
LordWellington15 10 months ago
@LordWellington15 are you retarded we are at home its you dirty huns that need to fuck of back ta scotland
libertycaps666 9 months ago
@libertycaps666 Northern Ireland is British. Britain for the British, Ireland for the Irish. The famine is over, so why not go home?
LordWellington15 9 months ago
@LordWellington15 lmao that statement is completely retarded you spastic, "The famine is over, so why not go home?" is something the loyalist wankers like you in scotland say to the people descended from irish who immigrated there during the famine are you really trying to apply that to the people living in the north?? lol you are a moron, and no wonder your a canadian hun lmao a plastic hun thats a new one
libertycaps666 9 months ago
@libertycaps666 LMAO! I was born in Northern Ireland. Look in the books, read it on the maps, it is part of Britain.
The famine is over, GO HOME AND STAY HOME!
LordWellington15 9 months ago
NORTHERN IRELAND HAS A PROBLEM FOR EVERY SOLUTION !
We can't look after 26 counties , never mind 32 .
Ireland the poor man of europe , we need the IMF to bail us out . What does that say about our fucked up country ?
niall2910 1 year ago
@niall2910 Britain is not actually that far behind us in that respect, and anyway take the ups with the downs...we were flying 10 years ago, who's to say what it will be like 10 years down the line.
ardeestephen100 1 year ago
made up
suildhearg 1 year ago
no
suildhearg 1 year ago
sick to my stomach.
britain u dont own northern ireland. get that straight.
halkiphulkiben 1 year ago
Typical British perspective. The British army wasn't "holding two sides apart", it was actively aiding one side as was bloody obvious at the time and is now indisputable.
Gaudd 1 year ago
@Gaudd indeed it is a typical british perspective, which in a sense is a reminder of the amount of propaganda the british press was spewing out at the time, i doubt collusion would of much interested the makers of this documentary -it doesn't fit their naritive
ajh1234 1 year ago
@Gaudd i know rite. makes me want to kill myself.
halkiphulkiben 1 year ago
The prime minister said the 'black sunday' was the paratrooper fault in killing 14 innocents people....But from wwi....come out yea black and tans...and give ireland its last six counties.
bweber2k 1 year ago
Very sad
IronRoss66 1 year ago
victory to the I.R.A
calBHA1 1 year ago
@calBHA1 I'm staying in suburban east london at the moment and i am fairly liberal but some of these people drive that old hatred that i thought i got rid of, back to its rawest form, they won't listen or understand. Some are all right but most of the locals keep banging on about the troubles ,a bunch of headwreckers who cant move on is the conclusion, They still worry that a massive attack is going to take place. if they cant understand the word peace i can only deem them as thick, unforttunate
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
keep the provinces.
you sort it out ?
scania245 1 year ago
It's so sad. I know that's a naive comment. But I just watched all 24 parts to this and felt....sad. Sorry.
TATER1971 1 year ago
What a grim picture back in 1981 when this film was made. How different things have turned out 30 years later! A generation have now grown up, not knowing what these times were like. There is still much to do but progress is moving forward as time goes on. Stop knit-picking blame, accept the mistakes that ALL of us made, and move forward together...
MrAliyak 1 year ago
Guy at 6.25 was exactly right what way it would turn out.
festivephone 1 year ago
Many thanks for uploading this documentary.
I've come away from it with a much better understanding of the reasons for the conflict. And I must confess I am left thinking, " . . . that's it?! THAT'S the reason civilians had to die?! Because of the 'struggle'?". Glamorised savagery.
Thagros 1 year ago
Very interesting. Thanks for uploading this documentary.
dho234bgf 1 year ago
the famine is over why are you all still here fuck off back to ur shantys taigs
xXmcblainXx 1 year ago
@xXmcblainXx Oh fuck we have another one!!!!!! Hows things at Adair Manor, ya mong!!!
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
stupid english cunts..get out
kilkennygeoff 1 year ago
@kilkennygeoff mhmhhmhmhmhmhmhmhmmhhmh Geoff!!!
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
you all look the same to me.
jydoojhfanBabyYeah 1 year ago
Its not a race war.Its about ownership.
IrishFoodHunter 1 year ago
Still Ulster is free-ira cowards
jeepster2 2 years ago
excellent documentary, thanks
WarmBread123 2 years ago
what i dont get is why do the britts and loyalist think their entitled to anything on the irish island,in the 1600's it was the crown who forcably took land from the irish and moved in english folks who were either kiss asses to the crown or for political favor, why do loylaist think that something is theirs when it was stolen from someone else in the first place? thats like me stealing you car and then driving it to your house and asking you to ride in my new car,makes no sense to me
MelMelsNRich 2 years ago 16
As a American I have wondered the same thing. Having a few from across the ocean its something I can never fully understand.
MrCopperhead1861 2 years ago
Mr C it really makes no sense, i too am an american, and the things that have happened in ireland since the Normans Invaded remind me of certain situations here in the USA in regards to the european settlers and native indians,
MelMelsNRich 2 years ago
well the treat-meant of Ireland under Cromwell kind of set the method of how the British would treat other peoples. Why they feel this air of entitlement to Ireland, just as we feel we have entitlement to Iraq I can't understand, But yet, I say live and let live and after the RIRA attack in march I the think the Irish are slowly saying that as well.
MrCopperhead1861 2 years ago
i'm an irish catholic, and used to live with a protestant, who agreed with me when i raised this arguement. also, even the signing over of the 6 counties wasn't meant as a long term plan, it was meant to stop the killing and move the goal of a free nation forward, but i literally cannot understand the loyalist perspective.
eimead 2 years ago 2
As I have always said when that question is asked, the loyalist perspective is that they have been their for hundreds of years, rightly or wrongly, same as white people in Australia and America, why should they suffer because of something that happened hundreds of years ago?
I have both Catholic and Proddy parents, and because of that they had to move from Belfast a long time ago.
mahargraham85 2 years ago 13
@mahargraham85 yo, thanks for your comment, you have put some perspective on the matter for me, and i appreciate that. what i will say as an irishman who has lived for 5 years in the north, with regards to your point about america and australia, Unionists insist on flying the Union Jack all over the north, which is a symbol of the oppression faced by the irish in the past. it's very antagonizing, but thank you for your feedback, i appreciate debate. as we've seen, it works better than violence
eimead 1 year ago
A lot of those flags have been taken down (at least where I live) And the Republicans do it as well, but I always found them quite helpful, often after a few drinks my sense of direction goes and there is nothing that sobers you up more then walking around a corner and seeing the Tri- colour and a PIRA mural, you start heading back the way you came very quickly!
mahargraham85 1 year ago
i hear that. i've wandered down a wrong street or two in my time and there's no quicker sobering image than cromwell staring back at you. you make a hasty exit
eimead 1 year ago
you have a point, but thats history, what I want to know is why because somebodys great great great great grandfather stole your great great great great grandfathers car and took the piss you think its ok to blow me up?
mahargraham85 2 years ago
i dont condone the terror activities, but i understand why they pull that stuff, what upsets me is why no country stood up and chastized the crown for what they were doing, Great Britan formally took a stand against Aparthied in South Africa in the 80's but then turned around and applied the same bias and gerrymandering against irish catholics in Ulster
MelMelsNRich 2 years ago
Oh its called hypocrisy, it happens all the time, like the people with a problem with the war in Iraq didnt mind the same thing Serbia a few years before, or that Iran arming Hezbollah =bad but the French arming the Argies during the Falklands = ok, or that someone can call a terrorist group terrorist but another freedom fighters, depending what part of a city they live, but if everyone treated everyone like they should we wouldn't have such fun discussions on the internet would we? O_0
mahargraham85 2 years ago
this is the first discussion ive had in the internet that didnt turninto one of those fuck you yankee interloper things,i do enjoy not having to deal with that while discussing this, and yes this whole situation reeks of hypocracy, which is amazing considering all these countries consider themselves "Civilized" nations
MelMelsNRich 2 years ago
@mahargraham85 you obviously want an answer well ill explain it for you.OK us british have an army/nucular weapons/navy/airforce we have the best special forces unit in the world we are in the top ten wealthiest countrys in the world we have a secret service (MI5) we we have the strongest relationship with the united states of america another massive world power so we invade other countries it not because we want to (ITS BECAUSE WE CAN) : )
MRAK47ification 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich Why should you have more ownership in this country than me? I've lived here all my life and my family have all contributed to this country over the decades or even centuries so what right do you have to say we have no claim to anything here.
WARISHELL09 1 year ago 2
@MelMelsNRich ,from your use of language and spelling errors,im assuming you are american,and as such didn,t your ancestors steal land from native americans "forcibly"?isn't there a little thread of hypocrisy running through the fabric of your argument? we were in ireland before YOU were in america,think about it.
garethella 1 year ago
precisely, though BEFORE 1921 protestants had no problem calling themselves irish. & the point is "northern ireland" wasn't created through the wishes of the countries people, therefore it was an undemocratic solution which was built on sectarian alienation. nobody with any intelligence would refute that unionists have an equal right to be here, but the truth is that irish people had their nationhood & national identity stolen from them. what could have been the alternative though? i don't know.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 ,yes its true,protestants never had a problem calling themselves irish,because irish meant british,a devolved state is the only solution.
garethella 1 year ago
you're comparing native americans & irish, yet native americans and white british colonisers never coexisted in north america wherein the natives had a huge majority. a more apt analogy would be if the british came to conquer america, only succeeded in colonising 1 corner enough, after a few centuries britain formed a new state where they could become a majority even though they were a minority, the 'natives' were discriminated against in this state & a violent resistance movement was revived.
monogirl3 1 year ago
because ulster wasn't colonised ENOUGH to create a viable state, they had to include too many catholics in the deal. the brits & unionists were selfish - they had to be for the new state to be sustainable, this is something you wouldn't hear them admitting though. they didn't revise the border when they took fermanagh & tyrone who had nationalist majorities. this community then being treated like 2nd class citizens on their own land - told to put up or shut up - was a disaster waiting to happen.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 ,
garethella 1 year ago
@monogirl3 ,the natives had a huge majority until the were swamped with europeans who tried their hardest to wipe them all out so they could steal land,and in northern ireland protestants/unionists are in the majority,i cant deny discrimination took place,it did,but look at america,how many native americans are there in the forbes 100,ive not looked,but im assuming there wont be many. dont give me 'more apt analogies',the simple simple fact is the natives were invaded by white oppressors,fact.
garethella 1 year ago
@garethella No there is No hypocrisy, I can say with 100% confidence and certainty that not one of my ancestors took any land or otherwise from any native tribe on the north american continent, my ancestors were still in europe more specifically County Cork, back when Ireland was still called the Irish Free State and didnt migrate to the states untill the early 20th century, by that time the damage had already been done!
MelMelsNRich 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich ,so you moved once the damage had been done?well thats alright then,the generations previous did your dirty work for you by almost eradicating the native americans,you just reaped the benefit,if the native americans started a terrorist/freedom fighting movement to rid the usa of white rule,i suppose you would support it??like you support irish republicanism ,its exactly the same thing,your family moved on to stolen land,so they never stole it,so what ,its still STOLEN.
garethella 1 year ago
@garethella This is fine example of the retrogressive negative mentalilty that i am talking about, ancestors land being stolen. Your land wasn't taken you didnt live through oppression directly. I'm guessin your another hardline southerner holding on to an archaic belief that one should take all. Give it rest your butting your head against a brick wall. All involved with a pilot type governance may lead to an actual all inclusive change to one nation together, peacefully,equally, liberally
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
@garethella you counterpoint holds no water....It was British settlers who forcably took the land, and this was endorsed by the Crown,and british business interests and seeing as i am not of english stock, they werent any of my ancestors! lets not forget the French and the Dutch, they also had a hand in the settlement of North America and outlying islands to the south and west
MelMelsNRich 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich james connolly summed it up in 1913, "I have explained before how the master class had sought its ends in North-East Ulster. How the lands were stolen from Catholics, given to Episcopalians, but planted by Presbyterians; how the latter were persecuted by the Government, but could not avoid the necessity of defending it against the Catholics, and how out of this complicated situation there inevitably grew up a feeling of common interests between the slaves and the slave-drivers."
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 I dont think i'm debating a creed struggle with u , religion and its place has faded away & the underpinning economic factors now lie solely in ctrl of how to tackle this present and 2moros problem.I see a regionalist federalist approach being the key solution that might actually work. A strong Liberal party in south which could merge with any fringe elemnets in both strong repub and Union parties t'fore creating a new alternative.And god damn us irish not 2 see wood from trees.
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
@DaithimacSionnach yes, just making it clear though i'm not a unionist.. but i believe their interests need to be provided for, at least in part. i think the federal approach should have been adopted in the 1st place. implementing such a change today would take huge dedication & focus from governments north & south. i am, however, dubious that the southern govt would assert themselves so as to accommodate this. it has largely been their mantra that the north's more trouble than it's worth.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich The now mels rich , how do we fix the now inclusively, "solutions that seem possible so that search for process can begin to LEAD to concilation"
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich I think you should understand completely why loyalists think that, considering your American, and did the same thing to the Natives of America only a couple of hundred years ago. Would you leave if the UN decided that the government of the USA was not ligitimate, and would have to be handed back to the Native Americans, along with some form of payment for the genocide against there people?
8G00SE8 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich Silly American. It is a tad more complicated than that.
andrewm5129 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich Wow, you watched this and that's how you think of it?
The view from the British people has always been so long as they wants to be a part of the UK they can be, the majority of people didn't want to be separated when Ireland got independence, so that happened, the mistake the government made, as governments do, was not to intervene and stop the discrimination.
You're US, so don't preach to us about our problems, you're still very racist in certain areas.
JohnMD2K 1 year ago
@MelMelsNRich 52% of catholics want to be british over 90% of protestants want to be british, It is the people that matter not the land.
11Cheesewaffles 8 months ago
@11Cheesewaffles thats a lie
cliftonville1879 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@cliftonville1879 lol the truth hurts don't it
11Cheesewaffles 7 months ago
@MelMelsNRich so true mate tiocfaidh ar la
fenianboy32 7 months ago
a very impartel view which is pretty much as it happen as i was 5 when it started and grew up in strabane co tryrone not good times so please dont go bac to them i saw many bad things as a child do not go bac to that
mgmcm 2 years ago 2
Hear hear. I grew up in the Republic so luckily I didn't witness any violence etc but it is great to see a prolonged period of peace in the North. Hopefully "The Troubles" will be made history forever and we progress peacefully.
ImElvis666 2 years ago 2
You British wankers were so busy worrying over our country that you let yours be taken over by the Third World. Now you geniuses have7/7, Bradford , Londonistan, honour killings, Sharia Law next? Irony of ironies. Nice one guys. LOL
corrocot1 2 years ago
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corrocot1 2 years ago
you should start reading books instead of burning them.
hu4ley 2 years ago
No the u.v.f were killing catholics in 1966 and they killed an r.u.c officer in 1969 and they bombed a number of power plants in 69 as well way before the provos got started,and sure catholics were treated like 2nd class citizens and the british government did nothing about it,and when catholics had civil right marches they would get attacked by loyalists and the r.u.c,so no loyalists did kick it off,and british troops were only there to prop up a hate filled unionist government.
deckieboo 2 years ago
At the end of the day it was mainly the loyalists that kicked off the troubles what else could catholics do,and as for the ira they fought the brits the only way they could with guerrilla warfare,sure anyway i thought britain was suppose to be great all there great for is destroying countries leaving them in shit and of course jailing the birmingham six and guildford four for crimes they didnt commit,great british justice alright.
deckieboo 2 years ago
england,all there fault imagine wat a country it wud b now if they minded there own buisness
shucksy1 2 years ago 3
You mean Britain dipshit get it right.
grobo11 2 years ago
The brits knew who 90% of the IRGAY and their supporters where. Do you really think if they sent 10,000 troops with all the kit ie tanks ,attack choppers, bombers and all the other shit with them the IRGAY would have won the war ?.Didn't think so thats why the IRGAY had to hide behind women and kids and people out shopping then bomb them because their cowards.
1who2what3where4when 2 years ago
my family is o neill, that is my country. go fuck your yourself, thats my country, o neill, irish protestant is my shit shit, i rep the ulster flag,fuck catholism
str8crayon 2 years ago
The IRA may have been good at what they done, but they never won either. If the British Army hadn't fighting with both arms tied behind their backs they would have been victorious!
toastie2038 2 years ago
There's only one future for Northern Ireland: Together you are strong!
Stop sectarian iditiosm! You have to create an attractive economic environment for you and future generations! Fight unemployment not different communities!
trident130977 2 years ago 2
Boring bullshit the only thing thing that's free in Ireland is the rain. The spectacular IRGAY bombing was a motor fired from a truck which missed the house and landed in the garden watched through bomb proof glass by John Major and his cabinet resulting in yet another fail. Face Adams now sucks Euro cock for handouts and you lost just get over yourself already.
1who2what3where4when 2 years ago
No that is true. The British army ended the IRA's Ability to fight and achieve its aims through violence. Thats why the Real IRA stoped fighting, and yes while the IRA still exist's it wont ever be able to exist in the way it did before. Nowhere in my coment did i say that the IRA had been defated, its jsut forced to try and achive its aims through by peaceful means hence the reason Sinn fein exist's in the way it does now.
Aliasify 2 years ago
dream on
mgmcm 2 years ago
Its funny that you miss out the part in which the report says that it also ended the IRA's ability to achive its AIms through violence. The IRA will never get what it wants, it no longer has the support that it once had. More people In NI including CATHOLICS want to be part of the Uk. At the end of the day they always were a bunch of cowards and always will be. And why are you going on about Zionism? your so ignorant and full of republican proaganda you dont even know what that means!
Aliasify 2 years ago
@Aliasify haha why would anyone argue with someone so short of intelligence?
liamosupremo1 1 year ago
I stand by what I said earlier. We should have killed all of you because then there would have been none of this and there would be no troubles.
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
shut up. you have no idea what your talking about. ye shud have stayed in your own shithole country and all the troubles would have been avoided. but you recon killing all of us is a better way for the troubles to be avoided? fucking sick.
mustainerulesxx 2 years ago
You talk as if the ira won. They didn't the north is still part of the uk, your cowards as you killed those men about 6 months ago when they weren't even expecting it. FFS your all also retarded one of them was a nationalist.
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
We tried treating you nice at the start, you rebelled so you had all that coming to you.
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
Britain made one fatal mistake, We only killed about half the Irish when we should have wiped out the whole fucking lot of them!
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
History will not be kind to Britain.....and YOU ARE A CUNT.
Flipper79able 2 years ago
Bet your a taig with an irish background, aren't u?
Please explain History will not be kind to Britain. Do you not mean History was not kind to Britain? If so then your wrong, people used to treat us with respect coz if they didn't we hanged them.
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
Flipper79able you seem to be overlooking one small thing a CUNT is a usefull thing something no ENGLISH bastard will ever be
madmick777 2 years ago
Yes the English are useless, they didn't kill enough of yous.
SHANMERICA 2 years ago
up da ra!!! tiochfaidh ar la!!
009sully 2 years ago
these boys had no chance in ireland
jonker236 2 years ago 2
The British army was keeping the two sides apart - what a pile of shite.
The British army was part of one side, dear god I forgot this kind of crap used to be promoted by the propagandists.
Gaudd 2 years ago
Thats all true but removed from peaceful solution their factions to consider so that this peace can last by easing those who are opposed into a New Hibernia gradually, when we were together we were a formidable country with great turnover then London became greedy and possibly jealous of the Patriots , enter the Act of Union 1801, the regionalist solution may be the only possible and realistic solution to the Irish Question without anymore bloodshed or heartbreaking communal strife.
DaithimacSionnach 2 years ago
Unionists make me sad/laugh. They claim allegiance to a country that has never, and never will, give a shit about them. If Britain could leave Ireland tomorrow morning it would, and they would breathe a hugh sigh of relief.
whonut 2 years ago 3
They dpnt give a fuck about anyone or anything other then the quids lining their pockets matey. Their a shower of robbing cunts whove done nowt for anyone but themselves.
hsybcmpny 2 years ago
@whonut Do u know that the Ulster Protestants who migrated to America foremd the core of racist anti-Black , anti-Catholic organizations like the Orange Order and the Ku Klux Klan. Also , the Ulster Protestants in USA were called "Poor White Trash" and "Redneck" by the Blacks as well as the Americans of British descent (Yankees).
BraveMuslimSoldier49 1 year ago
@BraveMuslimSoldier49 Oh lets blame them then, sure that will fix it, Bravo brave one good use of the brains, Genius this lad!
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
Since the 1800s the English have known that the Irish can't be beaten or made to conform to their way of life. NOW is the time for us all to make peace together. For the sake of the future.
whonut 2 years ago
Old England is Dying, so is Old Ireland too
DaithimacSionnach 2 years ago
A regionalist Federalist Democratic Republic with devoled Government in each Region or province this Includes Stormont, Munster,Dublin and east,
The midlands, west West to North west.
All to be governed by shared heads of state under one entire government so we can all get along rule our own and make Ireland together a great nation of peace , prosperity and every willing homestead fincially sound as well competing economically on the world Stage. Hibernia she will rise from the ashes.
DaithimacSionnach 2 years ago
Forget 'democratic' in the title - it normally means 'too far to the Left'. Ireland is a small island out in the middle of the Atlantic - it needs jobs and free markets. It does not need state-led socialism.
kealyc 2 years ago
wat we don't need is your president saying that irelands no vote on lisbon did not matter, now that he has cried and kicked like a child yhe eu has amended the treaty and now we back to polls sept 25, to sell our souls to satan and give up national pride
BEANO266 2 years ago
@DaithimacSionnach i think a federal ireland is the way forward too, with an ulster parliament where ulster people can hold british citizenship and have loose ties to westminster. realistically, the NI state cannot survive longterm. we're so heavily dependant on handouts from the british to sustain the economy and our livelihood. the peace we have is amazing but our politics is still so tribal & with nationalist vote steadily increasing year after year there will have to be reform at some stage.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 Excuse the tardiness of my response , i imagine you are from a unionist tradition and if ss this is a positive step. The retrogressive mentality held by many who have a stake in this situation has to become redundant for all the people involved to evolve to future state of political stability and self governance. Dependence on Britain is an obsolete form of economic expansion due to the shrinking of the world and its trading links.We are together for life!!!
DaithimacSionnach 1 year ago
i'm from neither tradition in the sense that i wasn't brought up with a political ideology or a religion. maybe that is why i am not automatically tribal in mentality. i'm also half english. i fully consider myself an irish girl though.
people can't look at the future of NI as "i was born into this family therefore i firmly believe..." anymore. i think there's a solution & a way forward that is best for everyone, & it doesn't lie solely along traditional lines of republicanism or unionism.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3
sorry you're misguided ...only a unified republic of Ireland will solve this issues and The Troubles
Chrits55 11 months ago
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monogirl3 11 months ago
England Dont want Northern Ireland and with the current economic climate reunification or the talk of this will be put back, we are more understanding of each other these days with world changing so rapid in terms of identity and communication we are one people with differing faiths of course but this is becoming a weaker and weaker excuse for us to disagree as the years of change roll on.
DaithimacSionnach 2 years ago
I hope you're right.
kealyc 2 years ago