Re: Why Apple's iPhone / iPod / iPad Doesn't Have Adobe Flash

[exoticisland]

then what makes javascript better than flash? what is the real reason? is it that javascript doesnt have to be compiled and can run directly from the webbrowser? isnt action script apart of ECMA script? which by the way is javascript. So the only thing i see here is that flash code is binary and javascript is ascii, but if flash were to be ascii output it would be better.

[GMHitsu]

Wrong, web 2.0 is not only flash, also actually flash is not a web standard, according to most of my websites 20% of my visitors (on 7 websites) do not have adobe flash installed, which is a lot of users, which will be limited if you only make lets say, a web in flash (they will not be able to load the site, aka bounce rate increases...)

SEO also states that a website that loads fast has better rating, and a web site that loads slowly (adobe flash websites...) can get penalized for this.

[su43berkut17]

I took this from the Youtube Blog.

"...While HTML5’s video support enables us to bring most of the content and features of YouTube to computers and other devices that don’t support Flash Player, it does not yet meet all of our needs. Today, Adobe Flash provides the best platform for YouTube’s video distribution requirements, which is why our primary video player is built with it."

[Keo77]

another reason why Apple are not behind putting Flash onto iPhone & iPad is because is a lot of the time, websites interfaces designed using Flash do not carry over well to mobile devices! I have visited quite a lot of websites which are designed to have drop down menus when a mouse pointer is hovered over them, & it doesnt function properly on a mobile devices which as a result ends up being annoying & frustrating!

[Keo77]

Just because something is a web standard, that doesn't mean that people should have to put up with using a buggy & unstable piece of software. Perhaps Adobes slap dash approach to fixing bugs in Flash has been down to peoples willingness to put up with it! However, there are now much better internet standards coming up such as HTML 5 & Silverlight which Apple are openly backing! Flash is an outdated piece of technology which Norton has listed for several years as a high security risk!

[Hefferoni88]

Hi! Okay so I just got my iPad and I am trying to look at my Drs site but it's all flash!!!! If I jail break my iPad will I be able to download some type of app to get adobe on this flipping thing!? Thank you!!

[joshmaier18]

i agree completely that flash is a standard. its a deal breaker for the ipad for me setting aside youtube, flash is everywhere, busch gardens website is almost completely flash. its october it i needed to find out about Hallowscream or horror nights id be out of luck on ipad/pod/phone. thankfully i use android and google was smart enough to get with the times and use flash. Adobe will make flash for any device, its the manufacturer that says yes or no.

[gioald12]

Ur so right thanks for waterer you did

[ifind2com]

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[chukman102]

I think that Apple should just creat there own flash. That way it works with their system.

[PsychoClips]

It would be cool to have flash on the ipod but its not so much that its slow that turns ppl away. Its that by making ur ipod do something thaf complex ur actually running the risk of burning out a chip in the ipod. On a laptop or desktop there are cooling systems to keep the processor from cooking its self. The ipod's processoe does not have cooling and by attempting to do something as complex as flashplayer u run the risk of burning out ur ipod.

[YayJoshDavis]

Flash is the new floppy drive, apple threw it out, everyone else followed. Html 5 is on youtube in a beta the biggest streaming site. There setting an example and the rest will follow. Trust me flash is on its way out, unless adobe solve it. Apple said if they fix flash it will be on the iPad/iphone/ipod in no time.

[zellymusic]

Flash has never crashed my browser on the pc using Safari

So it has to be based on the Operating System of Mac Os

[mrAndy45656]

Well I think Apple and Adobe fight, well like they don't like each other!!??

Are you agrry with me?

[chaz4510]

People talk about it crashing. But I don't think flash has ever crashed my browser (safari)

[TheAndroidUser]

I have to agree with you. It is entirely Apple's fault for not supporting the Flash platform. If it runs bad on a Mac it's because Apple's OS can't support the software Adobe built. Don't you think Adobe tried to make Flash work perfectly on the Mac? If it could be done, it would be. They've had 10 generations of Flash to get it working but the Apple OS simply can handle it. It's Apple's fault.

[hottubbrad]

Apple just wants you to buy their shit off iTunes. Simple greed. C'mon Googlephone...take note.

[guitarfreak2105]

Fag

[uaboob]

adobe flash 60 billion users. apple users without jailbreak unknown. Apple jailbreak users > than Apple users without jailbreak ... = true.

Nokia, RIM.. Samsung phones will be running flash 10 .. = true.

Iphone worse phone experience using a phone= true.

Loser APPLE = True

[oblitum]

Que sexy estas!!!! (L)

[r0mntk]

@oblitum i think so too!

[azcactus2008]

I wonder why the iPhone has an app for Youtube if flash is supposed to be so bad. I'm afraid of trying the "jailbreak" stuff on my iPhone.

[tylerblogger]

Well jailbreaking won't destroy your iphone. You can always just restore. The iphone youtube actually isn't flash. It uses a different file format.

[vectraB97]

flash player work perfect on my s60v5 skyfire browser.. iphone users are missing great stuff.. I never buy a iphone that is less anvanced than a nokia and dobbel the price.. only 1-2% own iphone in norway.. if iphone is happy with that so am I.. they will die out if they dont get camera flash, flash player, and bluetooth file suport.. omnia hd and htc hd2 kick iphones ass.. I think we will also see a nokia iphone killer the next year. updated version of X6 maybe.. X12 I-killer LOL!

[Bstone18]

Even youtube is starting to move away from flash with the HTML5 test going on. Flash will be dead in a few years and apple will help kill it like they did with the floppy drive by not putting them on mac's.

[tylerblogger]

This is not just about youtube. Flash is everywhere!

[asusp3v4x]

Trials are just meant to give more options... not that flash will die or something like that...

if it goes... well... then... it goes... but youtube HTML5 trials is no evidence pointing to the end of flash...

[CipherMind117]

@Bstone18 Look at HTML5. It isn't really superior in any way to Flash. Why would a developer make his application for HTML5 when Flash is superior and more widespread already.

[MattsSkateboard]

So when it's not an iPhone: HUGE DEAL

Not on any other smartphone: Meh

[techguruuk]

If the iPad/Phone/Pod help to knock a nail into Flash's coffin, then I'm all for it. Surely with the growing popularity of these devices, more webmasters will need their sites to be compatible with them - no Flash.

[vectraB97]

you never downgrade for lo tech. you update the hardware.. I only hope more webmasters update so less fits iphone.. then iphone have to work this out or it is the last nail in iphones coffin.. apple norway say only 1-2% have iphone in norway.. it dont look like growing popularity to me.. we dont adapt web to the 1-2% of users, we move on.. with out adobe flash your car would not run.. we dont need iphone..

[lockergnome]

Flash is still Web 1.0, dude (closed) - a better 2.0 analogy would be in HTML 5 (open). Flash is not optimized for the mobile experience - and there's a difference between desktop and mobile performance. Your iMac is always plugged in.

[tylerblogger]

You're right i misused web 2.0 there. Flash isn't optimized for a mobile experience this is true, however it is still found everywhere, it could potentially be recoded to run better. Yes there will always be a difference between desktop and mobile performance, again though it is a standard in modern web design to have flash. Archos managed to to that on their media players, and they ran that on an even slower processor.

[tylerblogger]

Again I'll state my point when it is a standard in modern web design and apple says The iPhone os is "the real Internet" then they need to back it up with software that is required to experience most things online

[rockdrummer1226]

I just put unbuntu on my laptop. First thing I downloaded after drivers and updates....., flash. Yeah it runs like shit my it's necessary. And for the ipad and ipod not to have it... fail apple. flash is used and half the time and I don't realize it. I'm just now realizing it because when ever I want to do something the fucker crashes. But it is absolutly necessary.

[AllStarDeal79]

Apple doesn't work like that though. It cant just work, it has to work well. Im glad Apple did this, adobe might actually work on making flash work better now since its not on one of the largest mobie platforms.

[wahbuddy]

Apple just don't wanna pay for it.