Zeitgeist debunked? Don't make me laugh! jesus is mithras says BBC

[dogmatronic]

The Romans adoption of Christianity was beneficial for peace in the region. As Josephus (Jewish but 'adopted' by the flavians) outlines in 'The War of the Jews' there were big tensions between Rome and the Jews. What better way to alleviate that than by creating a religion where the premise is mainly one of pacifism. There are two things to note here: the personality transformation between the old and new testament gods and the typography between the both testaments e.g. Jesus and Joseph

[dogmatronic]

Any claim made about the validity and historical accuracy of the bible or of Jesus as a person is merely conjectural, so debate is mostly futile. There is no contiguous evidence to support claims of the existence of Jesus, the gospels of Paul came generations later and the reference to Christus by Titus Flavius (Josephus) is very tenuous and possibly tampered with

It was common for Romans to adopt and adapt existing religions and embrace them for political and social gain e.g. Sulis Minerva.

[WVRN212]

Mithras was originally Mithra, a Persian god. The Roman version of Mithras didn't even come to the Roman empire until 2nd century CE.

[Schizo27]

Mithras were not a roman god. he was adopted by Romans, but he was originally the deity from Zoroastrianism called Mithra. The Roman Mithras were not seen as a bull, but killed a bull he were neither of a virgin or ressurected.

[540Forever]

Zeitgeist is 95 % bullshit and 5 % facts. According to Zeitgeist, fucking THOR of Nordic mythology was "Born by a virgin" and "Ressurected" and other things, related to the dear gangsta Jesus. :)

[oscarmarin1995]

This is baseless as well. No evidence, only foolishness. Is this where you get your facts?

[stallion4life]

Nice fact checking... they're reading this straight off the internet! lol

[xMasterJuiceX]

@unomnacajit111 mostly getting high and being super pro-abortion

[Sinuev1]

Is the video title intended to be sarcasm? You're holding up a fucking game show as a refutation to the debunking of Zeitgeist while insinuating that these people are historians, or that the BBC has fuck all authority when it comes to comparative theology.

If it was meant to be sincere in any manner, then I can totally see how you'd be snowballed by Zeitgeist, being without any real critical thinking skills.

[micap20078]

@Sinuev1 what are you saying dont trust the bbc cause thats just entering another conspiracy. but im sure you would reference them if they backng up your argument. and zeitgeist has not been refuted so do some more research.

[Sinuev1]

@micap20078

It's not about trust, but about relevance. What the hell does the BBC's endorsement/airing have to do with establishing whether or not a claim is true?

[oscarmarin1995]

@micap20078 Zeitgeist HAS been refuted and it's BASELESS. Try to defend it.

[prettyjohnshill14]

@micap20078 if you believe zeitgeist, maybe you'd be interested in winning thousands of pounds if you can prove what that marxist pile of s**t claims in part 1.

strange how no one has taken up that challenge......or won the money available. maybe it's because zeitgeist pt 1 is complete and utter B.S.

[proudfootz]

True that there's nothing particularly original about early christian beliefs.

No need for there ever to have been a man named Jesus upon whom such stories were supposedly based upon.

[Innuendoh]

Right on... ;)

[winterstellar]

Jesus was just a fairy-tale.:)

[matanga69]

not born of a virgin thats just one claim you can chec out very quickly. born of a rock ore cosmic egg.

[changingmyself]

@matanga69 Wrong. Dr. Badi Badiozamani states: "a "person" named "Mehr" or Mithra was "born of a VIRGIN named Nahid Anahita ("immaculate") and that "the worship of Mithra and Anahita, the virgin mother of Mithra, was well-known in the Achaemenian period [558-330 BCE]"

―"According to some sources, Mithra's partner and virgin mother is the angel-goddess Anahita…."

*The Pagan Belief that Shaped the Christian World Dr. Payam Nabarz, The Mysteries of Mithras

[Sinuev1]

@changingmyself

You need to vet the credentials of your sources better. "Dr." Badiozamani is a small-time politician under Jessie Ventura and an ex-political adviser on American-Iranian relations. Also a talking head for CNN. He has no relevant academic credentials on the matter. Google Scholar can't find a single academic paper published by him on the matter, only a published book with all of 4 citations. "Dr." Nabarz has no LinkedIn profile, no research papers, and two books totaling 5 cites

[Sinuev1]

@changingmyself

While you definitely don't want to rely on arguments from authority as a way to slack on your fact checking, but you'd be better off at least checking to see what well known and academically respected popularizers of comparative theology like Karen Armstrong or Joseph Campbell have to say on the matter.

At least with them you'll get a far better sense of the scale and drivers of religious syncretism, rather than cherry picking and fudging facts to invent a false narrative.

[changingmyself]

@Sinuev1 When I made up my source list, I was forbidden to use Karen Armstrong or Joseph Cambell because the Christian that I had made the list for thought any comparative religious professors were biased.

[Sinuev1]

@changingmyself

Sure...and that's like acquiescing to a creationist's demands that you source people like lawyers and electrical engineers when arguing for evolution, claiming bias from biology. Which is stupid because you could still present the arguments, reasoning, and evidence directly and standing on their own merits

But whatever, you could have also referenced the Catholic Encyclopedia which similarly details evidence for the syncretism Christianity has with the Mithraic mystery cults.

[changingmyself]

@Sinuev1 I used that too, but of course, then it was that the Catholics were lying...you know the story.

[xMasterJuiceX]

i cant wait till the world is post-religion. i want to believe in god with all my heart but logically find it close to impossible without giving up all my personal values.

[migu9999]

and the book of the death, is a very interesting book.

[mrodub]

@Rickdeckard2020

You can go on the website for this show and under the quibbles section you can challenge the researchers on any matter from the show, so if you think its bull why not go the QI website and challenge the research team. They are fair and admit if they have got something wrong as you can see the other quibbles on other matter are left on the site for all to see.

[Rickdeckard2020]

@mrodub

thanks for the suggestion

[mrodub]

@Rickdeckard2020

No problem, good luck

[GHMYahooka]

ahahahahahahaha yeah and as we all know the bbc is the FOREMOST authority on the Bible, yeah bro, cool story :rollseyes:

First of all, the bbc is run by england, a masonic/jesuit run country...so yeah...you're not real informed there pal...

If Jesus was some kind of fake or trick, then why are people trying SOOOOO hard to kill his message and image...seems thou doth protest to much satan...

[ybrrider]

@GHMYahooka wake up.

[webbyter]

@GHMYahooka ....and your refutation of the parallels begins where?.... You are only condemning the source as unreliable, not untruthful. There is absolutely zero substance to your objections. Either the parallels to paganism exist or they don't. Problem is... you know very well that they exist and you cannot argue substantively. All you appear to be able to do is to label anyone who puts forth a fact that throws into question your theology as "satan." So sad. Tragically mad, actually.

[gasto5]

Cool