face facts...mike threw his brothers one last bone with the victory tour...and set the world up the the mega shows he would soon be doing as a solo act
You know, Jermaine has a really nice voice! When you listen to his part it's really pleasant and good! BUT! Then Michaels part starts and you go like: "aaah, yeeaah, so that's what it is, I get it!" You just can't compare anyone to him and whoever sings with him will be unavoidably overshadowed by The King, be that Jermaine or whoever. That's just the way it is with Michael!
I remember going to their Victory tour in 1984, I was like 12 and everyone had on the one white glove. It was the best and when I saw micheal I thought i would die, lol
By this time, it was obvious that there was a rift between the brothers. MJ was barely speaking to them and he just wanted to be on his on. I mean, damn he was now the King of Pop, not a lead singer for the Jacksons.
@Darslow Thank you. Damn how long was Mj suppose to stay in the group? He's Mj THEY were the jacksons, She's Beyonce THEY were Destiny's Child, He's Justin Timberlake THEY were Nsync, She's Diana THEY were the damn supremes. The lead singer always goes solo and Mj was no different
@liacashmere58 How long is Mick Jagger supposed to stay lead singer of the Rolling Stones? I don't see any reason M.J. couldn't stayed in the group as well as enjoy his solo career. Maybe he would still be alive if he hadn't turned away from his family. BLOOD.
@jermaine550 The Rolling Stones are still alive? Wow. Him wanting to be on his own is a good enough reason. Just because there blood doesnt mean he had to stay in the group. He needed to grow as an artist and he did. Also just because he left doesnt mean he ''turned'' on his family and it doesnt mean he would still be alive if he stayed in the group. Mj did better as a solo artist. I really don't see why it's a big deal that he left the group and why some people feel he should have stayed.
This is Hilarious XD lmao..U can so see that Michael wasn't there.It was a wax doll :) But let's be honest..Nothing can be that cool without Michael lmao! Love ya MIKEY!!! <3
man VHS i got many many many many many many many mj material on vhs lol including this nice piece but why fuck up my vhs when some ppl upload it. vhs machine are unreliable
JackASS was a CHILD MOLESTER and was addicted to drugs. Dr Murray was only doing his job. You NIGGERS and NIGGER LOVERS are blind to the truth !! WAKE UP and realize what a piece of SHIT JackASS really was you idiot moron MJ worshippers !1 You make me SICK!!
listening to this song nowadays is "torture"... :-) Poor guitar reefs and tacky video. But I truly loved it as a kid... the whole "Victory" album, in fact. Kudo´s!
@fabiolemme lol yeh looking back...decent top40 song, but not really all that good by any means....i remember that time victory tour with its crazy ticket pricing...even this vid..half the brothers are missing including mike, who's replaced by this mj doll in that last scene with the brothers...this may have been around the time michael was recovering from the pepsi commercial burning incident, im cant recall now...but there was a reason he was not in the video for torture
hey ppl me and my cousins are starting this mini show called the real house wives of them jacksons! we would really apperciate it! thank you for your time!stay blessed!:D
I am amazed at the judgement calls made about each of the Jacksons.
"...no business having affairs with that woman..." come on....either polish up (your) halo or realize that it isn't ANY of your business! "...the decent thing...they got married.." slam down your bible on any and all you choose to...Now....aim the focus at yourself...just how holy are you...or would you hold up to the harsh critiques?
Dreadful video.This way made after the Thriller video so surely they should have tried to match the realism of Thriller instead of this rubbish. Brilliant song though, one of my favourites ever.
Ohh stop saying Michael michael michael all the time. Yeah if he was in this video it would be GREAT but look at those moves 4:32! Marlon is kickin' ass!
@sketchley80 They aren't trying to dance like MJ. All the Brothers were trained by their father to dance the same way. It's all second nature for all of them to dance and dance better than anybody else walking this earth.
This is the only album featuring all six brothers vocally. However, this video excluded Michael & Jermaine visually and looks really weird without them...
Wow .. you all will think I dropped in from another planet ... but I've never seen this video before ! Have heard the song, but not very familiar with it.
And where was MJ ??
Was this made after Thriller ? Cause video says 1984. Wasn't Thriller 1983 ?
ABCHealTheWorld, this video was made in 1984 after Thriller. People say Michael had "scheduling conflicts" so he couldn't be in this video, but I'm thinking Michael wanted NOTHING TO DO with the Victory album or tour. I believe the only reason MJ agreed to do Victory is because Kathrine asked him too. MJ wasn't in the other video(Body) for this album as well. It appears as if MJ was fed up with his brothers at this point
Belindagirl13, I'm assuming the enormous success of Thriller is what caused Michael to become fed up with this brother's. After Michael did Off The Wall in 1979, he still went back to performing/touring with his brothers and said in interviews that he didn't want to go solo. After Michael did Thriller, he must have felt like 'I Don't Need Them Anymore'. Berry Gordy had to convince him to do the 1983 Motown 25 special with his brothers, in addition to his mom convincing him to do Victory.
Actually Michael was tired of having everyone to depend on him and his family would guilt him especially his father into doing things with his brothers when sadly the Jacksons were no longer successful ( the brothers were not making money on their own and they spent all their money).
Michael was writing songs and was going the direction he wanted to go and his family was holding him back...family is not supposed to do that. I mean do you think its fair that Michael had to do the victory tour with his brothers and his brothers performing Michael songs, that he wrote.NOt fair that other are taking credit for music he created so overall Michael was frustrated and wanted to be on his own
I don't fault Michael for wanting to be on his own, but it seems like the family had the belief that they would always remain as a group no matter how much solo success Michael had. I mean, Michael came back to work/tour with his brothers after his #1 album Off The Wall. The album the Jacksons did after Off The Wall(Triumph??) was a success. To me, Joe Jackson being a GREEDY ASS-HOLE made Michael go solo. Didn't a couple of the brothers blow the 5 MILLION they each got from the Victory Tour??
Why does Joe Jackson get blamed for everything that Mj does. You give Joe more power than he had. Since he was so powerful why didn't work his magic wand and stop his sons from getting married. He could have done just that but he didn't. Stop blaming Joe for everything. MJ was the lead singer of the group, if he didn't perform it would have upset the dynamics of the group just like it did when Jermaine left the group. it is that simple.
@Amore2010ad, I didn't say Joe Jackson had power over Michael Jackson, I said his TERRIBLE attitude probably played a huge role in MJ wanting to go solo. After Thriller came out, Joe should have faded to the back and stopped trying to control MJ as if he was still the 13-year old singing lead for the Jackson 5
Also, I don't think you can compare the dynamics of The Jacksons(5) without Jermaine and Michael. When Jermaine left, the group was still strong. Without Michael, they were a non-factor
If he didn't have power how you say he was controlling everything. Joe was never in control after his children joined Motown. he never forced them to do anything. most of them were married and living away from hoome anyway. it was joe's job to find venues for the group. he did a good job and was the best manager Mj ever had. All his other managers used him and robbed him and eventually Joe and his siblings has had to pick him up and clean him off only this time it was too late.
Also J5 fans deserted the group in droves after Jermaine left. many of them were mad with Jermaine for breaking up the group. the jacksons took around 3 albums to make any impact after jermaine left. It was a massive blow to the fan community.
@Amore2010ad, Joe Jackson the best manager Michael ever had...REALLY?? Is that why Michael didn't allow Joe to handle any of his business dealings after the Victory Tour ended? It's well documented that Joe would try to force bad deals on MJ even after he went solo. Wasn't Joe the one who hired Don King(who then overpriced Victory Tour tickets)?
I think you are overrating Jermaine's impact. The Jacksons had a bunch of hits and the TV show after Jermaine stayed with Motown
All of Joe Jacksons deals were not bad deals. Joe invested all his money and his time in his children. nobody can say they were bad deals. When Joe took his children from Motown and signed them up with with a new record label so that they could have their own self expression that was not a bad deal because it gave MJ the confidence to write his own songs and step out as a solo artist. Yes MJ's solo career was a JOE Jackson decision. He was the one who negotiated MJ's solo career.
The Victory tour was one of the most successful tour in history. The controversity about the tour was not MJ's concern any more than it was the brothers. MJ could have kept out of it just as he kept out of controversies in later life. But MJ wanted to prove a point. he wanted to show his might over his brothers, so he got involved and gave away his money, thus humiliating his brothers in public.
Things went downhill for Mj after he left Joe's protection. Did you know that the music industry coined the fraze, 'Don't touch Joe's boys'. Lionel Richie can tell you about that. As a result, MJ and his brothers could go anywhere they wanted to and they were ALWAYS protected by other artists, even at club 54. But when MJ went on his own, he put a target on his back. He employed managers that promoted themselves and robbed from him. he didn't even know where his money was going.
And yes, Joe Jackson may have made some mistakes, he sold his share of his house to MJ so that he could spend the money on Janet's, And latoya's career. Well, Janet was a success so not too much of a failure there.
What was MJ's business decisions after he left Joe, well the failures were too numerous to tell, but who is counting. His last business decision was 50 shows in london, but he swore he didn't agree to 50 shows. He couldn't do it, was never going to do it, Now he can't ...
@Amore2010ad, MJ was FORCED to publicly humiliate his brothers and father about the Victory Tour tickets scandal. EVERYBODY was blaming MJ for being greedy and ripping off his fans. He couldn't just sit back and get smeared when it was his brothers, father and Don King who wanted to RIP OF THE FANS!!!
I know Joe Jackson got Michael, Jackie and Jermaine to release solo projects when they were still the Jackson 5, but Thriller, Bad and Dangerous was completely MJ's doing, Joe had no involvement
I have never seen an occasion where the Jacksons as a family ever humiliarted Mj in public. There were plenty of reasons and opportunity to do so. the jackson family suffered a lot of pain and heart ache because of Mj's public behaviour. Their children got bullied and call names, all because of Mj's behaviour. MJ protected his children from that torture by not allowing them to mix to go to school, but his poorer siblings could not afford that luxary, so they suffered in silence.
@Amore2010ad, I never thought about Michael's nieces and nephews being tormented at school because of his behavior. I know none of them would discuss something like that now since Michael has passed and they are now in their 20's and 30's, but did they ever discuss it while he was alive?? I've got to believe there were a lot of students and teachers who treated them like GODS because of who their uncle was. Michael got a LOT of hate when he was alive, but just as many people loved him
Rebbie jackson had an outburst on radio soon after Mj's second allegations. She complained that her children didn't want to go to school because they were being bullied and teased. Mj's nieces and nephews also appeared on tv talking about the hurt they feel. Children are the most cruel of beings and even when teachers may give support they could never be around 24/7.
yet they turned up in mighty force to support him in his most humiliating hour even though I know in my heart that MJ would NEVER have done the same for them. He never supported his mother when latoya was attacking her on tv, even when the rest of the family came out in force to support them. MJ never supported his family, more like they were always suppoting him. He grew too important for them and he let the public knew it, esp his fans, this is why the fans are so vile to them.
@Amore2010ad, I think the public humiliation went both ways. Latoya publicly bashed Michael(but later said she was forced to) and Jermaine made the song 'Word To The Bad' in which he bashed Michael. Michael played a huge role in the first solo albums of Rebbie and 3T(Tito's sons), he also decided to bring his brothers along on the Victory Tour which allowed them to earn 5 MILLION dollars each!! So its not as if he did nothing for them.
I don';t think the brothers cared that much about performing with MJ, i thini what they really wanted, and so did his sisters, was to have Michael back with the family. They wanted him to be part of their lives. MJ stopped communicating with his familky, including his mother when he befriended the hollywood 'greats'. he set himself apart from the family. They could only see him when he invited him and that was rearly.
Everybody was free to go to his house including Liz Taylor and McCawley Culkin and all other types, but his family had to make appointment and often never got through. The only time Mj was with his family was when he was in trouble and needed them to help him clean up.
What Mj did to Jermaine was wrong. Jermaine tried to reach him and he wouldn't pick up the phone, The theme of Jermaines song was about MJ drifting from his family. he told him to come back home. ... he came home ded
@Amore2010ad, I just watched the youtube videos of Michael's nieces and nephews(mostly Jermaine's kids) and they all said kids teased them about MJ, but they also said they loved their uncle and were around him often. So MJ couldn't have totally shunned his family.
From what I've read, Jermaine was mad at MJ because he supposedly pulled big-name producers(Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis??) away from Jermaine's solo project to work on Dangerous. It may have been a conflict over music, not a family issue
Mj's nieces and nephews were never frequent visitors to Neverland. He had 2 or 3 that he welcomed as his special friends, but the only other time when they got to be there was when Mj wanted to show family unity like he did during his trial. When Mj was on trial his home was opened up to all the family. They were even staying there. When he was on top of the world he wouldn't even entertain Katherine Jackson. He wouldn't even answer the phone to Janet.
One thing the Jacksons are very good at is covering up for Michael. they will say in public that they have family reunion and they see him all the time, when in fact they wouldn't see him for years. Look at the latest family reunion just before he died. Some of his nephews were sitting next to him in a couch, and tyhey sit away from him as though he was a perfect stranger. i believe that he was a perfect stranger to the younger nieces and nephews. they didn't know him.
Jermaine visited MJ in hospital and told him about his new project with his producers. Mj went secretly and enticed the producers away on the very day Jermaine was expecting them. When jermaine found out about it he tried to talk to Mj about it, and Mj changed his phone number and refused to take his call. as it turned out Mj didn't really wanted the producers and he sent them away. They got mad. Jermaine wrote an angry song. the producers released it without Jermaines permission.
@Amore2010ad, I don't think it was just Michael disrupting family unity...Jermaine was the first one to leave the group and become a GORDY!! Marlon and Latoya didn't appear in 2300 Jackson Street, a video that had the ENTIRE family. Jermaine taking Randy's lady away from him and having multiple kids with her!! Randy didn't appear in the Jacksons A&E show, his name was NEVER mentioned once despite the fact that he was in the group!!
There was a lot of family disruption there, I have always wondered how such a famous handled the pressure, the Jacksons were so unique in that they were all superstars and were all in competion with each other, but what they had was love and respect for each other. I still admire the way Joseph sent his son Randy to go get latoya when she needed her family, even after the nonsence latoya pulled against the family. that is real love. Otherwise, just a normal family...
I think when Joseph negotiated the contracts for his boys, he wanted them to have a solo career, but he also wanted them to stay together as a family group. Greedy people were planning their future off Michael's back, and as soon as they got their wish they made every effort to separate him from his family, and they won. sadly, MJ was the most unhappy person because of it, he needed his family, just like every human being separated from their roots need to get back there.
Randy was a married man with a wife and baby, he had no business having affairs with that woman. jermaine was living at home and the woman was brought in the look after the children that the Jacksons had taken respponsibility for. She was available and so was Jermaine. they did the decent thing, they got married. The woman made her personal choice. They did nothing different to what Jacob did and what so many people of royal family did and what twins have done for ages.
Was 'MIchael Would Not Approve' the only reason Randy did not participate in the show?? I mean, the show was about the Jacksons without Michael, how could Randy not be involved?? His name was NEVER mentioned at all during. Randy's son(Randy Jr.) made an appearance on the show. I'm guessing Randy may not get along with his brothers, especially Jermaine considering Jermaine impregnated his "lady friend"!! I don't think they even mentioned Randy during interviews about the show.
MJ did the same thing to janet, as described in David Gest's book. Janet asked David to be his manager, David was happy, so confided in Michael. Mj enticed him to come and be his manger, so he turned down janet. When david showed up ready for the job, MJ got his lawyer to turn david down. David went crawling back to Janet, but Janet turned him down. There is a lot of this pattern of behavior strewn around Mj's history with his family and others. only fans don't care about this.
@Amore2010ad, I saw a clip of Katherine saying in the mid 70's(before MJ turned 18) she got a call from a person saying MJ's brothers need to save their money because MJ would leave them. She told the person 'No, His Brothers Need Him' and 'he needs to finish high school'
My point with that is MJ appeared to have a LOT of people telling him to leave his brothers/family behind at an early age and eventually he did it. It must have been difficult to ignore those greedy people as he got older
@Amore2010ad Fans just love the music, and so they have to love Michael. Its nostalgic for them. Everybody can admit that he is a one of a kind talent. So distinct in style, sound, dance. He performed at a high level for 40 years. Thats why so many people love him. I didn't know that I actually loved the man till he died. I genuinely felt loss and sorrow, it felt like a family member died. Even though I never even met him. I didn't know I could feel like that about a celebrity.
@seeehorn nah I dont think Joe wanted MJ to go solo. Berry Gordy suggested it, or at least that he do a solo album anyway, and MJ definately wanted to. He was always thinking up songs in his head so he was bound to go solo on his own with that imagination.
how was the family holding him back? all of Mj's brothers had gone their separate ways getting married and raising a family. MJ was the one sulking that his brothers were going to split up the group. it was MJ who wanted to keep the group together. Marlon wanted out, and Jermaine had already left. And if Joe Jackson did not take his sons from motown and secure MJ a solo contract you might not have been talking crap right not. What about Mj performing songs Jackie and randy wrote?
The eyeball in the hand reminds me of a Stephen King short story that was out around this time. In the story the guy grows an eye on the palm of his hand and bandages it up and it won't go away.
By this point Michael was over his brothers. He was not the lead on this song or in the video. This album was after Thriller and MIchael was the biggest star in the world.
I love this song, I think that Rihanna could have used this video for her "Disturbia" video. Wow..the Jackson family are beautiful and amazing people! Awesome!
Yes, Millions of people were inspired by the Jacksons...It's just a thought that ran through my mind at that particular moment..who knows..maybe she did use this video as some sort of inspiration!=D
jeez. everybody was missing. i agree with sabrinaroxy--> they should have re-scheduled or something BUT all in all the song saved the video; to me anyway.
Jackie's knee was injured when his wife caught him fucking Paula Abdul at a drive-in theater. After Kicking Paula azz all over the drive inn she then proceeded to run over Jackie's leg.
lol..... yeah..... randy taraborelli writes abt paula abdul being jackies bit on the side and having an affair with eachotehr even though jackie was married lol...... then in a later edition taraborelli takes that part out lol probably coz paula now famus in her own right asked taraborelli2 lol
paula was big in 80s. she choreographed for janet jackson on her first album then after affair janet didnt wrk with anymore lol... hey it not paulas fault it ws jackie that was married : not her lol
Jermaine Split from the group - and stayed with Motown - Thats why they are called The Jacksons - instead of the jackson 5 - The Jackson left Jermaine and Motown and went to Sony/Epic
first off that's not Tito's guitar solo it was a guy named jack wargo I have this album and check the credits it's kinda sad all thoe their are amazing producers I don't know why tito didn't play the guitar once on this album.
face facts...mike threw his brothers one last bone with the victory tour...and set the world up the the mega shows he would soon be doing as a solo act
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They're all pretty smexy in this vid. Especially Randy.
Funny, seeing as how he looks like he does now...
hiraikotsuember 3 weeks ago
You know, Jermaine has a really nice voice! When you listen to his part it's really pleasant and good! BUT! Then Michaels part starts and you go like: "aaah, yeeaah, so that's what it is, I get it!" You just can't compare anyone to him and whoever sings with him will be unavoidably overshadowed by The King, be that Jermaine or whoever. That's just the way it is with Michael!
rebelsway 2 months ago 3
My parents bought me this albumn. I played it over and over again. Man good times.
natvolt1001 2 months ago
A video I used to play in Sitzerland in 1985,great memories
jjsassenach1 4 months ago
I wish I was an 80s baby lol <3
silentthunda35 7 months ago
I remember going to their Victory tour in 1984, I was like 12 and everyone had on the one white glove. It was the best and when I saw micheal I thought i would die, lol
koffeebrwn 7 months ago
the king of pop ROCK!
MJJirresistable 9 months ago
By this time, it was obvious that there was a rift between the brothers. MJ was barely speaking to them and he just wanted to be on his on. I mean, damn he was now the King of Pop, not a lead singer for the Jacksons.
Darslow 10 months ago
@Darslow Thank you. Damn how long was Mj suppose to stay in the group? He's Mj THEY were the jacksons, She's Beyonce THEY were Destiny's Child, He's Justin Timberlake THEY were Nsync, She's Diana THEY were the damn supremes. The lead singer always goes solo and Mj was no different
liacashmere58 7 months ago
@liacashmere58 How long is Mick Jagger supposed to stay lead singer of the Rolling Stones? I don't see any reason M.J. couldn't stayed in the group as well as enjoy his solo career. Maybe he would still be alive if he hadn't turned away from his family. BLOOD.
jermaine550 7 months ago
@jermaine550 The Rolling Stones are still alive? Wow. Him wanting to be on his own is a good enough reason. Just because there blood doesnt mean he had to stay in the group. He needed to grow as an artist and he did. Also just because he left doesnt mean he ''turned'' on his family and it doesnt mean he would still be alive if he stayed in the group. Mj did better as a solo artist. I really don't see why it's a big deal that he left the group and why some people feel he should have stayed.
liacashmere58 7 months ago
Marlon please STOP trying to be Michael!
Yellow4494 11 months ago
This is dirty but I like seeing the Jackson boys in these positions....
Yellow4494 11 months ago
Uhhhhh LOVE MJ's voice coming in at 2:00 so heavenly. Also, Randy and Marlon are very hot. However, they have nothing on MJ in that department!
Yellow4494 11 months ago
This is Hilarious XD lmao..U can so see that Michael wasn't there.It was a wax doll :) But let's be honest..Nothing can be that cool without Michael lmao! Love ya MIKEY!!! <3
BeckyMJ96 11 months ago
man VHS i got many many many many many many many mj material on vhs lol including this nice piece but why fuck up my vhs when some ppl upload it. vhs machine are unreliable
TheEXpothead 11 months ago
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JackASS was a CHILD MOLESTER and was addicted to drugs. Dr Murray was only doing his job. You NIGGERS and NIGGER LOVERS are blind to the truth !! WAKE UP and realize what a piece of SHIT JackASS really was you idiot moron MJ worshippers !1 You make me SICK!!
KingsleyEnnis1 1 year ago
is tito playing on this record
yankees2000ms 1 year ago
listening to this song nowadays is "torture"... :-) Poor guitar reefs and tacky video. But I truly loved it as a kid... the whole "Victory" album, in fact. Kudo´s!
fabiolemme 1 year ago
@fabiolemme lol yeh looking back...decent top40 song, but not really all that good by any means....i remember that time victory tour with its crazy ticket pricing...even this vid..half the brothers are missing including mike, who's replaced by this mj doll in that last scene with the brothers...this may have been around the time michael was recovering from the pepsi commercial burning incident, im cant recall now...but there was a reason he was not in the video for torture
gdub520 1 year ago
hey ppl me and my cousins are starting this mini show called the real house wives of them jacksons! we would really apperciate it! thank you for your time!stay blessed!:D
KraziiGcmGirl 1 year ago
i see mariah in the beginnin singin fantasy this must have aired in 1995
mcmimi09 1 year ago
PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET THE BASS TAB FOR THIS SONG I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE!!!!!!! AWESOME SOME 2
PureCarnage3 1 year ago
I am amazed at the judgement calls made about each of the Jacksons.
"...no business having affairs with that woman..." come on....either polish up (your) halo or realize that it isn't ANY of your business! "...the decent thing...they got married.." slam down your bible on any and all you choose to...Now....aim the focus at yourself...just how holy are you...or would you hold up to the harsh critiques?
MisterJokerToker 1 year ago
this is such a good song but i like blame it on the boogie better
120Nics 1 year ago
I love song. I used to have the album on tape....back in the day. ^_^ I wish I still had it.
limmy73 1 year ago
Dreadful video.This way made after the Thriller video so surely they should have tried to match the realism of Thriller instead of this rubbish. Brilliant song though, one of my favourites ever.
MickeyLynott 1 year ago
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I thought Thriller video came out in '85
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I mistook 3:28 for the Jonas Brothers.
InvincibleThriller 1 year ago
TITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
screws316 1 year ago
TITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
screws316 1 year ago
Michael was propably too ashamed in being in this video......
mjlalopersempre 1 year ago
Does anyone kow who the woman dancing in this video is??? She is absolutely stunning...
NoShoe27 1 year ago
I love the way Marlon dances!
Cristine0787 1 year ago 2
Ohh stop saying Michael michael michael all the time. Yeah if he was in this video it would be GREAT but look at those moves 4:32! Marlon is kickin' ass!
BoneBeast 1 year ago
@BoneBeast marlon's moves are filthy sick!!
Fanik8 1 year ago
LMFAOOO @ the MJ doll xD
hegwoodp 1 year ago
mj dummy
nerfinjerkinkid 1 year ago
WHOS THE FAT GUY WITH THE STREET FIGHTER OUTFIT ON LOL
slim812001 1 year ago
@slim812001 lol that's hilarious!
Firebirrd85 1 year ago
Randy and the 80s keytar - harharhaharhahahaha!
What is with the brothers trying to dance like MJ?
I like this song - but MJ makes it so special when he starts singing!
haha - an MJ dummy statue- omg!
It's torture having to watch an MJ statue!
sketchley80 1 year ago
@sketchley80 They aren't trying to dance like MJ. All the Brothers were trained by their father to dance the same way. It's all second nature for all of them to dance and dance better than anybody else walking this earth.
Fanik8 1 year ago
This video was choerographed by Paula Abdul!!!!
TigerFn 1 year ago
its a randy jackson
fei83 1 year ago
watch?v=5pRbg2bB-ZM
MenaceBeats 1 year ago
Michael, Jackie and Jermaine did not appear in this video. Jackie was recovering because his wife ran over his foot with the car.
Fanik8 1 year ago
@Fanik8 I stand corrected. Jackie did appear in this video.
Fanik8 1 year ago
so all 6 brothers was on the track together but only 3 were in the video?
quatra123 1 year ago
I still can't belive that they had to use a statue for mikey. :|
butterflysuper12 1 year ago
This is the only album featuring all six brothers vocally. However, this video excluded Michael & Jermaine visually and looks really weird without them...
IrisMG 1 year ago
LOL, this video freaked me out as a kid!
willyluvlump 1 year ago
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VakanoTheeMc 1 year ago
@VakanoTheeMc GET IT........! I just checked it out I really like it, honestly I do!
Im'ma be checkin 4 more of ur songs, so keep em comin'!
tomicalynn4life 1 year ago
esta cancion la escuche hace muchos años, pero no pense que era de ellos
delfinajaim 1 year ago
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I love this video because it's a shit. 10/10
NeverEver19994 1 year ago
I love this video because it a shit. 10/10
NeverEver19994 1 year ago
Wow .. you all will think I dropped in from another planet ... but I've never seen this video before ! Have heard the song, but not very familiar with it.
And where was MJ ??
Was this made after Thriller ? Cause video says 1984. Wasn't Thriller 1983 ?
ABCHealTheWorld 1 year ago
ABCHealTheWorld, this video was made in 1984 after Thriller. People say Michael had "scheduling conflicts" so he couldn't be in this video, but I'm thinking Michael wanted NOTHING TO DO with the Victory album or tour. I believe the only reason MJ agreed to do Victory is because Kathrine asked him too. MJ wasn't in the other video(Body) for this album as well. It appears as if MJ was fed up with his brothers at this point
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn why was he fed up with his bros
Belindagirl13 1 year ago
Belindagirl13, I'm assuming the enormous success of Thriller is what caused Michael to become fed up with this brother's. After Michael did Off The Wall in 1979, he still went back to performing/touring with his brothers and said in interviews that he didn't want to go solo. After Michael did Thriller, he must have felt like 'I Don't Need Them Anymore'. Berry Gordy had to convince him to do the 1983 Motown 25 special with his brothers, in addition to his mom convincing him to do Victory.
seeehorn 1 year ago
Actually Michael was tired of having everyone to depend on him and his family would guilt him especially his father into doing things with his brothers when sadly the Jacksons were no longer successful ( the brothers were not making money on their own and they spent all their money).
mallrat407 1 year ago
Michael was writing songs and was going the direction he wanted to go and his family was holding him back...family is not supposed to do that. I mean do you think its fair that Michael had to do the victory tour with his brothers and his brothers performing Michael songs, that he wrote.NOt fair that other are taking credit for music he created so overall Michael was frustrated and wanted to be on his own
mallrat407 1 year ago 6
I don't fault Michael for wanting to be on his own, but it seems like the family had the belief that they would always remain as a group no matter how much solo success Michael had. I mean, Michael came back to work/tour with his brothers after his #1 album Off The Wall. The album the Jacksons did after Off The Wall(Triumph??) was a success. To me, Joe Jackson being a GREEDY ASS-HOLE made Michael go solo. Didn't a couple of the brothers blow the 5 MILLION they each got from the Victory Tour??
seeehorn 1 year ago 8
@seeehorn
Why does Joe Jackson get blamed for everything that Mj does. You give Joe more power than he had. Since he was so powerful why didn't work his magic wand and stop his sons from getting married. He could have done just that but he didn't. Stop blaming Joe for everything. MJ was the lead singer of the group, if he didn't perform it would have upset the dynamics of the group just like it did when Jermaine left the group. it is that simple.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I didn't say Joe Jackson had power over Michael Jackson, I said his TERRIBLE attitude probably played a huge role in MJ wanting to go solo. After Thriller came out, Joe should have faded to the back and stopped trying to control MJ as if he was still the 13-year old singing lead for the Jackson 5
Also, I don't think you can compare the dynamics of The Jacksons(5) without Jermaine and Michael. When Jermaine left, the group was still strong. Without Michael, they were a non-factor
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
If he didn't have power how you say he was controlling everything. Joe was never in control after his children joined Motown. he never forced them to do anything. most of them were married and living away from hoome anyway. it was joe's job to find venues for the group. he did a good job and was the best manager Mj ever had. All his other managers used him and robbed him and eventually Joe and his siblings has had to pick him up and clean him off only this time it was too late.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Also J5 fans deserted the group in droves after Jermaine left. many of them were mad with Jermaine for breaking up the group. the jacksons took around 3 albums to make any impact after jermaine left. It was a massive blow to the fan community.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, Joe Jackson the best manager Michael ever had...REALLY?? Is that why Michael didn't allow Joe to handle any of his business dealings after the Victory Tour ended? It's well documented that Joe would try to force bad deals on MJ even after he went solo. Wasn't Joe the one who hired Don King(who then overpriced Victory Tour tickets)?
I think you are overrating Jermaine's impact. The Jacksons had a bunch of hits and the TV show after Jermaine stayed with Motown
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
All of Joe Jacksons deals were not bad deals. Joe invested all his money and his time in his children. nobody can say they were bad deals. When Joe took his children from Motown and signed them up with with a new record label so that they could have their own self expression that was not a bad deal because it gave MJ the confidence to write his own songs and step out as a solo artist. Yes MJ's solo career was a JOE Jackson decision. He was the one who negotiated MJ's solo career.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
The Victory tour was one of the most successful tour in history. The controversity about the tour was not MJ's concern any more than it was the brothers. MJ could have kept out of it just as he kept out of controversies in later life. But MJ wanted to prove a point. he wanted to show his might over his brothers, so he got involved and gave away his money, thus humiliating his brothers in public.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Things went downhill for Mj after he left Joe's protection. Did you know that the music industry coined the fraze, 'Don't touch Joe's boys'. Lionel Richie can tell you about that. As a result, MJ and his brothers could go anywhere they wanted to and they were ALWAYS protected by other artists, even at club 54. But when MJ went on his own, he put a target on his back. He employed managers that promoted themselves and robbed from him. he didn't even know where his money was going.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
And yes, Joe Jackson may have made some mistakes, he sold his share of his house to MJ so that he could spend the money on Janet's, And latoya's career. Well, Janet was a success so not too much of a failure there.
What was MJ's business decisions after he left Joe, well the failures were too numerous to tell, but who is counting. His last business decision was 50 shows in london, but he swore he didn't agree to 50 shows. He couldn't do it, was never going to do it, Now he can't ...
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, MJ was FORCED to publicly humiliate his brothers and father about the Victory Tour tickets scandal. EVERYBODY was blaming MJ for being greedy and ripping off his fans. He couldn't just sit back and get smeared when it was his brothers, father and Don King who wanted to RIP OF THE FANS!!!
I know Joe Jackson got Michael, Jackie and Jermaine to release solo projects when they were still the Jackson 5, but Thriller, Bad and Dangerous was completely MJ's doing, Joe had no involvement
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
I have never seen an occasion where the Jacksons as a family ever humiliarted Mj in public. There were plenty of reasons and opportunity to do so. the jackson family suffered a lot of pain and heart ache because of Mj's public behaviour. Their children got bullied and call names, all because of Mj's behaviour. MJ protected his children from that torture by not allowing them to mix to go to school, but his poorer siblings could not afford that luxary, so they suffered in silence.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I never thought about Michael's nieces and nephews being tormented at school because of his behavior. I know none of them would discuss something like that now since Michael has passed and they are now in their 20's and 30's, but did they ever discuss it while he was alive?? I've got to believe there were a lot of students and teachers who treated them like GODS because of who their uncle was. Michael got a LOT of hate when he was alive, but just as many people loved him
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Rebbie jackson had an outburst on radio soon after Mj's second allegations. She complained that her children didn't want to go to school because they were being bullied and teased. Mj's nieces and nephews also appeared on tv talking about the hurt they feel. Children are the most cruel of beings and even when teachers may give support they could never be around 24/7.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn #
yet they turned up in mighty force to support him in his most humiliating hour even though I know in my heart that MJ would NEVER have done the same for them. He never supported his mother when latoya was attacking her on tv, even when the rest of the family came out in force to support them. MJ never supported his family, more like they were always suppoting him. He grew too important for them and he let the public knew it, esp his fans, this is why the fans are so vile to them.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I think the public humiliation went both ways. Latoya publicly bashed Michael(but later said she was forced to) and Jermaine made the song 'Word To The Bad' in which he bashed Michael. Michael played a huge role in the first solo albums of Rebbie and 3T(Tito's sons), he also decided to bring his brothers along on the Victory Tour which allowed them to earn 5 MILLION dollars each!! So its not as if he did nothing for them.
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
I don';t think the brothers cared that much about performing with MJ, i thini what they really wanted, and so did his sisters, was to have Michael back with the family. They wanted him to be part of their lives. MJ stopped communicating with his familky, including his mother when he befriended the hollywood 'greats'. he set himself apart from the family. They could only see him when he invited him and that was rearly.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Everybody was free to go to his house including Liz Taylor and McCawley Culkin and all other types, but his family had to make appointment and often never got through. The only time Mj was with his family was when he was in trouble and needed them to help him clean up.
What Mj did to Jermaine was wrong. Jermaine tried to reach him and he wouldn't pick up the phone, The theme of Jermaines song was about MJ drifting from his family. he told him to come back home. ... he came home ded
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I just watched the youtube videos of Michael's nieces and nephews(mostly Jermaine's kids) and they all said kids teased them about MJ, but they also said they loved their uncle and were around him often. So MJ couldn't have totally shunned his family.
From what I've read, Jermaine was mad at MJ because he supposedly pulled big-name producers(Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis??) away from Jermaine's solo project to work on Dangerous. It may have been a conflict over music, not a family issue
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Mj's nieces and nephews were never frequent visitors to Neverland. He had 2 or 3 that he welcomed as his special friends, but the only other time when they got to be there was when Mj wanted to show family unity like he did during his trial. When Mj was on trial his home was opened up to all the family. They were even staying there. When he was on top of the world he wouldn't even entertain Katherine Jackson. He wouldn't even answer the phone to Janet.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
One thing the Jacksons are very good at is covering up for Michael. they will say in public that they have family reunion and they see him all the time, when in fact they wouldn't see him for years. Look at the latest family reunion just before he died. Some of his nephews were sitting next to him in a couch, and tyhey sit away from him as though he was a perfect stranger. i believe that he was a perfect stranger to the younger nieces and nephews. they didn't know him.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Jermaine visited MJ in hospital and told him about his new project with his producers. Mj went secretly and enticed the producers away on the very day Jermaine was expecting them. When jermaine found out about it he tried to talk to Mj about it, and Mj changed his phone number and refused to take his call. as it turned out Mj didn't really wanted the producers and he sent them away. They got mad. Jermaine wrote an angry song. the producers released it without Jermaines permission.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I don't think it was just Michael disrupting family unity...Jermaine was the first one to leave the group and become a GORDY!! Marlon and Latoya didn't appear in 2300 Jackson Street, a video that had the ENTIRE family. Jermaine taking Randy's lady away from him and having multiple kids with her!! Randy didn't appear in the Jacksons A&E show, his name was NEVER mentioned once despite the fact that he was in the group!!
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
There was a lot of family disruption there, I have always wondered how such a famous handled the pressure, the Jacksons were so unique in that they were all superstars and were all in competion with each other, but what they had was love and respect for each other. I still admire the way Joseph sent his son Randy to go get latoya when she needed her family, even after the nonsence latoya pulled against the family. that is real love. Otherwise, just a normal family...
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
I think when Joseph negotiated the contracts for his boys, he wanted them to have a solo career, but he also wanted them to stay together as a family group. Greedy people were planning their future off Michael's back, and as soon as they got their wish they made every effort to separate him from his family, and they won. sadly, MJ was the most unhappy person because of it, he needed his family, just like every human being separated from their roots need to get back there.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@seeehorn
Randy was a married man with a wife and baby, he had no business having affairs with that woman. jermaine was living at home and the woman was brought in the look after the children that the Jacksons had taken respponsibility for. She was available and so was Jermaine. they did the decent thing, they got married. The woman made her personal choice. They did nothing different to what Jacob did and what so many people of royal family did and what twins have done for ages.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
i was told randy didnt want part of the show due to the fact michael wouldnt agree with the idea of the whole show
sunsetdrivert010 1 year ago
Was 'MIchael Would Not Approve' the only reason Randy did not participate in the show?? I mean, the show was about the Jacksons without Michael, how could Randy not be involved?? His name was NEVER mentioned at all during. Randy's son(Randy Jr.) made an appearance on the show. I'm guessing Randy may not get along with his brothers, especially Jermaine considering Jermaine impregnated his "lady friend"!! I don't think they even mentioned Randy during interviews about the show.
seeehorn 1 year ago
@seeehorn
MJ did the same thing to janet, as described in David Gest's book. Janet asked David to be his manager, David was happy, so confided in Michael. Mj enticed him to come and be his manger, so he turned down janet. When david showed up ready for the job, MJ got his lawyer to turn david down. David went crawling back to Janet, but Janet turned him down. There is a lot of this pattern of behavior strewn around Mj's history with his family and others. only fans don't care about this.
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad, I saw a clip of Katherine saying in the mid 70's(before MJ turned 18) she got a call from a person saying MJ's brothers need to save their money because MJ would leave them. She told the person 'No, His Brothers Need Him' and 'he needs to finish high school'
My point with that is MJ appeared to have a LOT of people telling him to leave his brothers/family behind at an early age and eventually he did it. It must have been difficult to ignore those greedy people as he got older
seeehorn 1 year ago
@Amore2010ad Fans just love the music, and so they have to love Michael. Its nostalgic for them. Everybody can admit that he is a one of a kind talent. So distinct in style, sound, dance. He performed at a high level for 40 years. Thats why so many people love him. I didn't know that I actually loved the man till he died. I genuinely felt loss and sorrow, it felt like a family member died. Even though I never even met him. I didn't know I could feel like that about a celebrity.
AmericanCalabar 1 year ago
@seeehorn nah I dont think Joe wanted MJ to go solo. Berry Gordy suggested it, or at least that he do a solo album anyway, and MJ definately wanted to. He was always thinking up songs in his head so he was bound to go solo on his own with that imagination.
Yellow4494 11 months ago
@mallrat407
how was the family holding him back? all of Mj's brothers had gone their separate ways getting married and raising a family. MJ was the one sulking that his brothers were going to split up the group. it was MJ who wanted to keep the group together. Marlon wanted out, and Jermaine had already left. And if Joe Jackson did not take his sons from motown and secure MJ a solo contract you might not have been talking crap right not. What about Mj performing songs Jackie and randy wrote?
Amore2010ad 1 year ago
well I have a different thought
mallrat407 1 year ago
This video is funny lol...my how technology has advanced
squigee62090 1 year ago
randy and michael are the two hot ones ....i love all of them
TBAKC 1 year ago
i think jackie and marlon are the hottest
jackiejacksonforever 1 year ago
Mariah Carey 'Fantasy' good single and album! X
sezums 1 year ago
what Mariah Carey song was that in the beginning of the video?
h0opman31 1 year ago
The eyeball in the hand reminds me of a Stephen King short story that was out around this time. In the story the guy grows an eye on the palm of his hand and bandages it up and it won't go away.
Cuuuuh-reeepy!
Whoozinga 1 year ago
i remember this video ...and wondering where MJ was in it (i.e. nowhere to be found!)
baronessvondengler 1 year ago
Yea he is unfortunately not in the video but at least we still get to hear him sing =)
MattyMcCritic 1 year ago
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i think the song is shit one of michael's worst!
boondocknegga 2 years ago
I love this song. This video is amazingly funny, tho...LMAO.
MaryBee2500 2 years ago 2
baller23ist is right
MrPlayboywest 2 years ago
It seems like disturbia :D
amel82light 2 years ago
This video is filled with Illuminati symbolism.
baller23ist 2 years ago
i heard mj and jermaine was't in this veido they made dummie of them and when they got there they were mad a them
cynthiafrye 2 years ago
Marlon is the one from 4:33-4:38.
tercsi1 2 years ago
what a cool video and music ,it brings the old feelings ,of horror movies,amazing
SICKOOOful 2 years ago 3
Amazing song...! For this decade a fantastic video...!
Marcus1050 2 years ago 3
0:28 ... WTF...Falsetto...
FIxt00l 2 years ago
actually MJ in the video cuz of the Pepsi Commercial accident
two3baller 2 years ago
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RogueFellaFam 2 years ago
lol the video has a eccentric feel to it. it's okay :)
LOVE the song though ♥
mskiara18 2 years ago
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i love this song
gustavates 2 years ago
At 2:01 It was Sung by Michael But he was not included in it.... Coz he was very busy with the thriller project....
rakeshthemagicman 2 years ago 5
1:36
thats not Michael, thats a dummy.
sad
Dntmesswitthis 2 years ago 2
tito is just like his father ahha
alexbsrammstein19 2 years ago
Great song! Stupid video!
Savanah333 2 years ago
this is the only jackson song i like including michaels
1985HotRod 2 years ago
MJ is not in this video they used a dummy
Ichigo7654 2 years ago 16
maybe its me but i don't see michael in this video
msrachellle82 2 years ago
Randy is cute!!! :)
deezvids 2 years ago 8
I cud'nt C michael jackson
yungwade24 2 years ago
One of them is trying to be Michael, it's scary.
tralala08x 2 years ago
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they were trying to copy their theme from Mjs thriller lol.. trying to make it scary but the musical composition of song is terrible lol
lifeisbeautiful786 2 years ago
1:36.... randy luks just like MJ
lifeisbeautiful786 2 years ago
3:27 looks like the jonas brothers.
kikitiki92 2 years ago
no it doe look like the jonas brothers and who cares about the jonas brothers
we are listening to the jacksons jonas brothers=crap
jackson=legends
no affence to the jonas brothers they have great voices but i doe like them
94kathryn 2 years ago
Yeah...and I couldn't help myself for watching as I kept looking for Michael...what's the story as to why Jermaine and him weren't in this video?
jordiekjo 2 years ago
In short: Michael had other obligations, and Jermaine refused to appear in the video. So they used a wax dummy in Michael's place.
"Pop Up Video" featured this video way back when; keep an eye out for it.
ckg927 2 years ago
and the said FUCK JERMAINE.
jermaine550 2 years ago
By this point Michael was over his brothers. He was not the lead on this song or in the video. This album was after Thriller and MIchael was the biggest star in the world.
laurenceme44 2 years ago
where is michael ?
ecranlarge 2 years ago
I love this song, I think that Rihanna could have used this video for her "Disturbia" video. Wow..the Jackson family are beautiful and amazing people! Awesome!
domellcun 2 years ago
as inspiration?
endylvr214 2 years ago
Yes, Millions of people were inspired by the Jacksons...It's just a thought that ran through my mind at that particular moment..who knows..maybe she did use this video as some sort of inspiration!=D
domellcun 2 years ago
they explain why michael and jermaine was never in the video but where is jackie?, he wrote the song.
MIZZEZMYKESHIA 2 years ago
I think that Jackie injured his knee so they hired a look-a-like.
MsOctober78 2 years ago
jeez. everybody was missing. i agree with sabrinaroxy--> they should have re-scheduled or something BUT all in all the song saved the video; to me anyway.
MIZZEZMYKESHIA 2 years ago
Jackie's knee was injured when his wife caught him fucking Paula Abdul at a drive-in theater. After Kicking Paula azz all over the drive inn she then proceeded to run over Jackie's leg.
jermaine550 2 years ago
I forgot about Jackie messing with Paula. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
MsOctober78 2 years ago
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What a screwed-up family :D
URSINHOdePELUCHE 2 years ago
lol..... yeah..... randy taraborelli writes abt paula abdul being jackies bit on the side and having an affair with eachotehr even though jackie was married lol...... then in a later edition taraborelli takes that part out lol probably coz paula now famus in her own right asked taraborelli2 lol
paula was big in 80s. she choreographed for janet jackson on her first album then after affair janet didnt wrk with anymore lol... hey it not paulas fault it ws jackie that was married : not her lol
lifeisbeautiful786 2 years ago
Maybe Janet was close to Enid Jackie's wife and that's why she didn't work with Paula anymore.
kimmy1984 2 years ago
OMG REALLY?
yungwade24 2 years ago
Jackie is the one getting tortured!
WhitNic898 2 years ago
I love the song, but the video is BEYOND ridiculous. No wonder MJ didn't want to feature in it.
SabrinaRoxy 2 years ago 3
Is Randy in the video at all? god i love this song too much. <3
heretikae 2 years ago
Oh thank you ^^
sportygirlisme55 2 years ago
then where's Michael? I can't find him.
sportygirlisme55 2 years ago
Michael refused to be in the video .. So they used a fake wax figure (1:36)
Asaadaaaa 2 years ago
lol Jermaine he is mouslim !!!
binjarsh12345 2 years ago
so?
mushu144 2 years ago
mhhhmhmhmh
binjarsh12345 2 years ago
wtf? i didnt see Michael or Jermaine in this video! whats up with that?
Esstan1 2 years ago
Jermaine Split from the group - and stayed with Motown - Thats why they are called The Jacksons - instead of the jackson 5 - The Jackson left Jermaine and Motown and went to Sony/Epic
blakman1979 2 years ago
But this is from the Victory album; all six brothers are on it
EbonyLioness 2 years ago
Torture .. hm, what a sad title :p
I don't think they suck, all of them are good :D Randy and Michael is the cuuutest <3
xSilyeah 2 years ago
the skeletons r cute and hilarious
mooley08 2 years ago
i like all of them they all talented they dont suck
94kathryn 2 years ago 4
i love this song...video is hot too...sexy moves
miamivicepastels83 2 years ago
first off that's not Tito's guitar solo it was a guy named jack wargo I have this album and check the credits it's kinda sad all thoe their are amazing producers I don't know why tito didn't play the guitar once on this album.
youngram87 2 years ago
i didn't see jermaine in this video
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casanacht 2 years ago
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everyone sucks except for michael lol
briscoealexandra89 2 years ago
michael's part starts 2:00
youngrizzle2003 2 years ago
So sexy!!
LeonieLuvsMichaelJac 2 years ago
though there is just no one comparable to Michael (in the world), all of those jacksons have great voices and talent
lalakay32 2 years ago 8
They had to use a wax dummy for michael because he was still working on his album Thriller and Jermaine refused to be in the video.
Timia26 2 years ago 3
j'adore cet chanson
lolotte240289 2 years ago
To see only a small part of the finished work - fills my evenings. With fun.
hadronne 2 years ago