Well done to our air corps, but i think they should purchase some more helicopters such as more AW139s or even Apache's for ground attack. Also a few jet trainers such as Hawks would be nice, or even a few F-16s for air-to-air combat.
@TheTallyGangi i didnt mean now, during the rescession. i wondered why they didnt purchase more helicopters and a few jet trainers during the boom? they did get the six aw139s, the 8 pc-9s. but that was pretty much it. i think they could have done better than that when money was everywhere.
The thing that I find amazing about the Irish army is, it's not huge, it dosent have much firepower, but it's elite, the ARW (Army Ranger Wing) are one of the worlds most elite units!
Great video of Irish army air corps.for a small nation they do us proud .God bless our Hundreds of troops in lebenon on peace keeping duty for the un.. keep them safe
Nobody is afraid of Britain .more like laughing at them thinking they could invade any country in the world. We don't need fighters because none of ye are goin to invade us
Is that a Boeing 707 at 2:46?! They may as well buy the RAF's defunct VC10s! As for fighters, the BAe Hawk would be a good choice for their Air Corps.
wait you dont have jets hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is this vidéo freaken kidding? An air force WITHOUT fighter jets at all? How can such "corps" be supposed to defend Ireland being bordered by one of the strongest offensive air forces - the Royal Air Force of UK?! With a large number of Brits' fighter jets still remaining in our Northern Ireland, right beside Free Derry, we can NEVER EVER guarantee that the Brits won't one day invade us again!
C'mon, all-mighty Ireland! Get yourself some fighter jets before its too late!
@cedricmeallan As much as I agree with you on needing new fighter jets, there's no chance of Britain invading in the future. Relations have improved significantly and they are our closest trading partner. On top of that we are both members of the EU and Britain or any member would be in big trouble for laying a finger on any other member state
@shayno125 Okay. I accept your point. But how about the Yankees? Or maybe the Communists? Anyway, my point is simply to emphasise the desperate need of new fighter jets like the Canadian Avro Arrow back in time.
@cedricmeallan The Yanks would be on our side too. As for the Commies I wouldn't trust them, nor them Muslim extremists. There's no place for neutrality or a small defence budget in today's world.
oh would you fuck off, ok sure no jets may seem shite, but if we got jets. they would do the same fucking role as the pc-9, and todays air forces are training piolts in intercepting hijacked air liners, and counter insurgency..and the pc-9 has all stuff you need for that
so why waste absolute millions on a few jets, when we could just add better weapons to the pc-9? it can take all wepaons in the NATO inventory.
yanks,brits wont invade,and commies? sure n.korea has it in for us
@linkinpark4eva2k7 RAF? lol I'm from England and the RAF aint all that, the Fleet air arm are far better pilots, as for Ireland not having jets, whats the point? not like anyone is going to invade us :P
It is not an air force, it is an air corps. Since 1997 the Irish Air Corps has had the task of defending the State's airspace removed from its tasking, since it is incapable of fulfilling the role. Sad but true. Its only role is non-combat air support tasks for the Army and Naval Service.
@cedricmeallan AHh now come on! I dont think the brits are goin 2 invade us ? Why would they? + the EU an UN would never allow it ! Your being nieve now!
@Locker10a it dosent matter britian and america dont care about the eu or asians or russians we would still invade any countrie we want because every countrie is scared of us combined but well only invade u for oil and money so u betta hope u dont have alot of oil in ur countrie :)
@hardnut451 the USA and Britian dont have the power they once had!! And i dont think countries like Russia and China would be afraid of the uk or usa today! Thinking the UK or USA are goin to invade any country is daft to put it lightly ! I dont think you are intouch with the 21st centuary.
@cedricmeallan yes they may have jets but our planes have jet engines and we have the ira and the support of the us and well the brits could randomly attack us aswel I believe but I hope not
@cedricmeallan Let me make myself clear.Ehem, The british army. they tried to conquer ireland for years now but they couldnt could they.We just gave them the north.gave it they didnt take over it.One guy said that Ireland hasnt got much of an army.And This is a big point.How could "Not Much Of An Army" beat the biggest empire in the world.if we hadnt got "much of an army" we wouldnt have beat you guys.and you have to be with me on that now
The fact that everyone has befriended the Irish from one end of the earth to the other is testamaent to the best strategic defence strategy that any country could have. who needs nukes when you have Guinnesss
I'm so surpriced to see that there are NO fighter jets for air combats in the IDF. Being bordered by one of the strongest air force on Earth, the British Royal Air Force, I really doubt what the Air Corps can do when the British (or other hostiles) attack again. Irish do NOT want another 700 years of being colonialised!
Ireland is neutral. If war broke out we would seem as a threat towards other hostiles and would more likely be attacked. We have few but we also have some of the most updated technology in the world for miliarty supplies
The Irish Air Corps should get some C-130 "Spookies". You could *definitely* defend fisheries with one of those. It could be said that that would be overkill, however. Given its relatively low need for a strong, large and well-funded military, I doubt Ireland much needs a Spooky. Still...
Hi sarsfieldusmc, just saw your messages on this. The US Army is very impressive and I know you may think that the Irish Army is weak in comparison. But we all have pride in the Irish army, just like you have pride in the US army. Yes your army has been involved in much much more than the Irish. And the US army has a high number of troops. But you must remember that Ireland has a population of just 4.2 million people, plus the fact that we have a policy of non-alignment gives our government....
@shayno125 it's sitll a weak excuse Shayno, Sweden doesn't have a high population either, yet is has a decent sized airforce and develops its own type of jet planes
Ireland on the other hand, barely has 30 tubrofan training aircraft being used as the main attack aircraft
yes but we don't actually need a huge airforce, and we dn't have all the nessecery raw material to build our own types of jet, but it would be really kwl if we got a few gd planes in, *cough* AC-130 *cough* ;)
True we don't have an impressive airforce, but why should we? the best defence is to cause no offence, then you wouldn't waste needless tax euros on aircraft to repel nuclear attack. besides we are the the most celebrated peace keepers on the planet. Just look at our U.N. record and see just how proffessional we actually are when it comes to Military response, I'd advise you to research the Irish Army Rangers aswell. were no fools.
@zuludelta100 the peacefull approach of no offence only works for small countries that are irrelavent on an international level such as ireland (no offence meant by this) and i can see why ireland doesn't have a large armed forces, as it has no enemies
im sorry for my previous comments your doing something for your country and thats what matters your in the armed forces protecting your country which i would have any other way..
i agree 100 0/0 ,they have a good worid record fom peace and helping people,but we shud have or own stuff and not have our hand out beggin for equipment all the time .
In the short term it is very important that a sizable airfield is established on the West Coast. Most of Ireland's territorial waters are off the West Coast and with those set to increase even further in the future it is inefficient for the Air Corps' two CASA maritime patrol aircraft to be operating from Baldonnel. Helicopters can patrol the waters to the East and South, but the CASA's are needed chiefly off the West Coast so it makes little sense for them to be stationed on the East Coast.
Ireland did have jet fighters in the 1950's and early 60's (the Vampires) and the Fouga Magister jet trainer/attack aircraft until the mid-1990's. The Irish Air Corps had a Light Attack Squadron equipped with jets from the 50's until the Magisters were decommissioned about a decade ago.
its switzerland(sorry i cant spell it right) because thats where all pilatuses are made and they have to have them on it my bro told me because hes a aircraft tecnition on them so i think i know and he went to switzedland to the saf for advanced clases on the pilatus pc-9m
Holy christ, I completely overlooked some things. Mainly this.A step forward would be jet trainers.Even if we didnt get fighter jets as such(if opposition was that strong and well we would probably need them anyway), jet trainers would set us up nicely for such jets, or help anyway.Sprry for all the spelling mistakes/typos, i did this quick. and i just copy and pasted all this from one of my othe posts so the mistakes remain hahaha
It IS a sign of a neutral country to have air defence. Sweden (with a population only double the size of Ireland) developed their own jet from the ground up (the SAAB Gripen) precisely because it is a neutral country.
Ireland is not neutral. Sure we lie to think we are, but the reason we didn't join NATO after WWII was because in doing so we would have to recognise that Northern Ireland was part of the UK. Neutral countries (such as Switzerland, Sweden, etc in Europe) are serious about defence.
Actually the only countries which have a credible policy of neutrality are or were very heavily armed; notably Sweden, which had the world's fourth largest air force in the 50's and 60's, and Switzerland, which has a fully equipped jet air force and one of the world's largest armies. Strategic bombers may be offensive, but jet fighters should be a vital part of any country's defensive arsenal. Ultimately an aggressor only respects might.
Firstly, military planners have to plan for the future, not just the present. History demonstrates that status quo's don't last, and any strategic situation is subject to constant change. Until the 1970's Ireland had to assume that the UK was the most likely enemy. Secondly, anyone attacking anywhere in warfare at present will use airpower, which in turn necessitates the capacity for the defender to repulse such aerial attacks.
Ireland does not face an immediate conventional threat in 2009. France did not in 1929 either. However its increasing foreign military commitments with the EU necessitate some sort of military capability. Since 1960 the Irish DF have seen all of their action far abroad. Ireland's Defense Forces are its only meaningful expression of foreign policy. Without a combat capable air force, the ability of Ireland's Defense Forces to defend the nation, and hence fulfill their mandate, is very limited.
yes, 99 percent of youtube does not know wat they are talkin about i am in the 1 percent you are in the 99 percent we have jets ireland has propellers thus we would win another thng is that you need to clarify wat you are saying irelandi s trained in uncoventional warfare US is trained in unconventional and convintional warfare. your military is not trained for infantry missions. it is trained to help the irish police incase if something happens like if civil structure falls apart.
I really do not want to get involved here. But I really have to say this. The Irish Army/Defence Force .... whatever!!! Are "THE" most welcome and "THE" most prefered Army/Defence Force to go into Any Country in the World and help out. Check it out. They really are. Not from all the stuff on here .... but from the people they all helped. Well done ye lads! :)
In spite of your claims to be part of the 1% of people on youtube who knows what they are talking about, your comments display otherwise. The Irish Defense Forces are trained primarily for conventional warfare (they are a conventional army) and are fully trained for 'infantry missions' (whatever they are) up to battalion level, and the IDF have maneuver formations up to brigade level. Where the Irish Army lacks is in armor, which is practically non-existent.
I don't think that anyone claimed that the IAC is anything close to a match to the USAF. However the USAF is facing problems that will put it at a disadvantage to other modern air forces in the next few decades. USAF generals are continually complaining about the fact that their third generation aircraft (F-15, F-16 etc.) are facing block obsolescence to fourth gen. fighters. The decision to cancel the F-22 at less than 200 aircraft will leave the USAF without true fighter aircraft.
in other words your military is a national gaurd, how do i know this? i was talkin to someone who was in the irish army
your army does not need to be big or well trained for that porpose, keeping people of ireland civil if things start to happen, like earth quakes floods etc
Lol in my opinion these guys are a joke :P stick with us and the rest of the fucking Uk least northern ireland got sense to want to fly join the RAF :P simple
You obviously know nothing of the Permanent Defense Forces if your comparison to them is the USNG. The Irish Defense Forces are a permanent, professional standing force who have nearly continually deployed abroad since 1960 and have a wealth of experience from active operations. The Irish equivalent of the USNG is the Reserve Defense Force (previously the FCA), which are organized into local units that can be mobilized when necessary. The primary role of the PDF is not aid to the civil power.
Finally while the USMC may be a very professional and competent force the US Army is not the professional and qualitative equal of Western European armies. Its soldiers are the worst trained in NATO. The British Army rate the Irish PDF as the 7th most professional military in the world, considerably higher than they rate the US military. On average Irish soldiers also receive more training than regular US Marines as well.
Of course. While the Irish Defense Forces have deployed almost continually abroad since 1960 on UN missions their only experience of actual warfare was the Congo mission from 1961-1963. Nevertheless taking into account that the Irish Defense Forces was woefully ill-equipped and lacked any combat experience in forty years its performance in the Congo was outstanding. Against heavily equipped Belgian-led Katangese forces the Irish performed superbly, notably at Jadotville and Elisabethville.
At Jadotville (Sept. 1961) an Irish infantry company (A Coy 35th Battalion) without their 81-mm mortars were surrounded and attacked by 3-5,000 Katangans, supported by an attack jet, large numbers of 81-mm mortars and a French 75-mm field gun. The Irish troops repelled all attacks for four days, knocked out most of the enemy artillery and inflicted at least 300 fatalities, and as many as 1,000 wounded, for the loss of 7 men wounded. Katangan officers had to shoot their own men to stem the rout.
Mogadishu the US had air support from helicopters, were facing enemies who had no organization and could best be described as a mob, and were made up of elite US Rangers and Delta Force. Shooting down a mob is not enormously impressive. The Irish troops at Jadotville were surrounded by professionally led and organized forces, under air attack, had no access to support or reinforcement, and were heavily outgunned by the enemy support weapons. The Irish troops were 'mere' regulars.
The Irish troops, coming from an army with no combat experience and equipped with WWII weaponry held their ground against a modern, well-equipped and relatively professional enemy. The US troops were elite units, were infinitely better equipped and trained than their opponent and were forced to beat a retreat against an untrained mob. The Irish also did not lose a single man. The circumstances of every military situation are of course different but Mogadishu does not compare with Jadotville.
Of course 'enemy' is a relative term when shooting down crowds with militias mixed in. The Irish were facing a true military force at Jadotville, which has more often been compared to Rorke's Drift.
True. However they were a mob, with no organization, discipline, training or leadership. They can in no way be described as an actual military opponent.
yeah, ok, ireland had tht one REAL military engagement, now tht fight unorginized terrorists like us. we had ww1 ww2, korea, vietnam, gulf war 1, gulf war 2, afghanisthan. btw the nva was organized with a command . the main part of the war in vietnam was fought aginst an orginized enemy, tht said the viet kong was pretty damn orginized, not as orginized as the NVA,but still moderatly organzed. so dont tell me tht vietnam was fought aginst an unorginized enemy.if you think tht,then your a dumbass
We were talking about Mogadishu, as I recall? Nevertheless the US Army did not perform impressively in any war that you have named, and the USMC is good but not spectacular. Again the Viet Cong may have been relatively coordinated and organized, and the NVA certainly displayed superb discipline and good tactical skills. However seeing as they did often defeat US forces in company-size engagements and did ultimately triumph in the Vietnam War I am not sure what point you are trying to emphasize.
The US military's combat experience has since 1945 been failure with one exception: 1991 Persian Gulf War. Anyone can joke about the US military. Ultimately it is the last army standing that is the winner, and in Vietnam that was the NVA. I never said that the Irish Army could beat the US military, so don't act like a bitch when you run out of arguments.
not including vietcong losses, vietnam was a political loss, tacticly we won, wen liberals took majority, they pulled out of vietnam completly, we were already pulling out troops and letting the SOUTH vietnemesse take over operations, they had a very good army, we were going to supply them with ammo,guns and air support.the dumbass democrates went back on our promise and with drawed all troops,didnt supply them with ammo, guns or airsupport.if we had done what we had promised they would have won
Tactically the US military did not win; America destroyed the Viet Cong in 1968, but did not defeat the North Vietnamese Army. Of course tactically the US military won 95% of engagements, but they still failed to win any decisive victories. If you believe that the ARVN was 'very good' you clearly don't know the first thing about the Vietnam War. The Republican Nixon was the one who withdrew, not the Democrats. America would not have won without invading and conquering the North.
Initially yes. However the ARW trains with the SAS and Delta now, not the US Army Rangers. Average Irish regulars displayed in the Congo a level of quality and fighting ability far above the average US soldier. The commander of the Australian SAS called the ARW the most quietly professional special forces unit he had ever worked with. This comes from the men who train US SF. The US Army has always been of inferior quality to other western equivalents.
oh yea i forgot to mention, yeah the brits do hve better training but we have more combat experiance, all the training in the world can not make you the best in battle, the man with the most combat experiance comes out on top, thts my last post on the subject, good wishes to you mate
The US military does not have half of the combat experience of the British Army, that is laughable. Training is what determines unit's quality. You are obviously a tenderfoot on military matters. The British Army has more experience and better training, and would come out on top. They are recognized internationally as the world's most experienced and professional military. That is why in Afghanistan the kill/loss ratio of the British contingent is close to 100/1, and the US Army's is 14-25/1.
British troops have a much better kill-loss ratio than US troops in Afghanistan, and 9,000 UK troops are doing 80% of the fighting in Afghanistan in the Helmand while 60,000+ US troops sit astride the Taliban's supply lines and fail to cut them. Can you name a genuine example of the fighting ability of US troops to match Jadotville? If not don't talk smack. Dumbass.
umm thts wrong, dumbass, we do most of the fighting in iraq and afghanisthan, they have less causilties cuz they do less combat operations, our army is better, simple. about tht jadoville, read my comment bout the 400 army troops vs the 2000 nva troops, btw ur a fucking dumbass, we have completed our mission in iraq. so yeah you know nothing about us missions in iraq. mr.dumbass we wont agree. mainly becaus your a dumbass. sorry, i respect the irish army, but i dont like you talkin shit
You are clearly totally ignorant of reality. There are 4 times as many engagements in the Helmand (British sector) as anywhere else in Afghanistan, and the British, Dutch and Canadian troops in Helmand and Kandahar have been doing most of the fighting since 2006. The US sector is along the Pakistani Border, astride the Taliban's supply lines and they have failed miserably to cut them while the British do the fighting. Calling me a dumbass is pathetic seeing that you are full of shit.
The actual nature of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq belies all of your wishful claims. In Iraq the US military managed to gain a temporary lull by following a British strategy (Sons of Iraq) and took advantage to make a face-saving pull out. The US military could achieve nothing before following the British strategy and if you think the insurgency is over you are mistaken. In Afghanistan the facts are that the British troops are doing most of the fighting and inflicting most of the casualties.
What you like is irrelevant, you don't know your arse from your elbow. You are a military illiterate and frankly pretty clueless. The US Army is not particularly good. That is simple fact. Many US troops will acknowledge that, just as they did during WWII. You have no counterpart to Jadotville either. In all Vietnam engagements the US forces had access to crushing air power, artillery fire and aerial reinforcement. The Irish in the Congo did not have those resources and pulled off Jadotville.
without any facts, the only REAL facts you had was jadoville, so dont reply, wen arguements come to a point were i am talking to a dumbass who wont reason i leave. lets go our seprete ways and stop argueing
Maybe you ought to learn reason? You haven't been able to counter any arguments or present any, in which case you can either a) accept or b) slink off making transparent, face-saving excuses for your inadequacy. You have predictably chose option b).
belive wat you want to belive, i dont care, the fact remains you have no evidence tht the us army suks ;) good day mate, i hve facts also, infact i said NOTHING without looking it up first, you just said random shit, but mate your a dumbass good bye, to reply would just prove tht you cant let something go, we have this arguement for a week and half now? its pointless to countine when no side will benifit from it
Actually I never said 'the US Army sucks'. The fact is that US troops have always had less discipline, elan and aggression under fire than those of many other nations, and US officers are not of a very high quality for the most part. The military performance of the US military for example in the Second World War was at best mediocre. The US Army is good, but in qualitative terms it certainly lacks the professionalism, discipline and leadership of other western armies.
If you have studied any of America's military history nothing that I have said should be a shock to you. It is there for all to see. During the Second World War in particular the best US generals, including Patton and Gavin constantly complained about the poor quality of their GI's. America's generals have nearly always been career politicians in uniform rather than proven combat leaders, which has never helped its military effectiveness.
hey kampfer, i am not saying this to argue, i looked up jadoville,intresting, the irish held off for 5 days and knocked out most of thier artty and motor emplacements with counter fire from THIER 60mm mortors(the irish did have mortor support), also, though the irish lost, they took out lots of congos, by the way the irish werent fighting a modern military, they were fighting congos and mercenarys, but impressive none the less
reminds of the chosin resivor were marines fought
The Irish contingent's 6 60-mm mortars were organic to A Company. The Company did not have their 81-mm mortars, and my point was that the Irish troops had no outside support of any kind. Many of the ordinary Gendarmerie were African cannon-fodder, but the enemy officers and NCO's were all highly trained veterans of either the French Colonial Paratroopers, French Foreign Legion or Belgian Paracommandos. All were veterans of either WWII, France's colonial wars or both. The Irish were green troops.
and held off a force off koreans, the marines were outnumbered , but they had to retreat similar to jadoville, except they had means off ecscape causilties were so: UNITED STATES 1,029 killed 4,582 wounded 4,894 missing 7,338 nonbattle casualties[6] 15 tank losses[7] CHINESE(yeah i know i said korean my bad) 19,202 battle casualties 28,954 nonbattle casualties[5] Unofficial estimations: 60,000+[8][nb 3] as you can see, we suffered 1-19 of thier causilties
Chosin Reservoir was certainly an impressive performance by the USMC by any standards. It is one of the few battles in which it can truly be said US troops shined on the battlefield, along with Guadalcanal. These were however both Marine actions, not Army ones. Nevertheless it should be remembered that the US military had virtually complete air supremacy, as well as armor and artillery. The Chinese troops did have huge numerical superiority but had very few heavy weapons.
The USMC has always displayed good levels of combat performance and discipline, and is certainly the most professional branch of the US military. The US Army has always been inadequately trained and poorly led, and they do not have a great record on the battlefield. As I said before most of the most impressive land actions in US history were fought by the US Marines Corps.
That is true. The Irish won the firefight. If Commandant Quinlan had managed to launch counterattacks, even in the form of hit and run raids that Katangans would probably have collapsed altogether.
here are some battles of marines tht would intrest you
1. battle of new orelans
american causilties:less then 100
british: 2,000
2.battle of wake island
small number of marines hold out aginst VERY large number of jappanese soldiers, damageing the invading force, they fell on 23 dec, they were attacked right after pearl harbor
500 Marines held off aginst 2500 japannese soldiers
cool
climber400 1 month ago
@shayno125 Are you in the army?
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 1 month ago
im proud to be irish but are air force or army will never be as good as the US army lol
chipoboyazz 4 months ago
Well done to our air corps, but i think they should purchase some more helicopters such as more AW139s or even Apache's for ground attack. Also a few jet trainers such as Hawks would be nice, or even a few F-16s for air-to-air combat.
motorsiegefan931 5 months ago
@motorsiegefan931 Why do you think the Irish government should waste money buying Apache's and F-16s in the middle of a recession?
TheTallyGangi 4 months ago
@TheTallyGangi i didnt mean now, during the rescession. i wondered why they didnt purchase more helicopters and a few jet trainers during the boom? they did get the six aw139s, the 8 pc-9s. but that was pretty much it. i think they could have done better than that when money was everywhere.
motorsiegefan931 4 months ago
@TheTallyGangi they could have even leased a few jets from the UK or USA, just to ensure our air defence.
motorsiegefan931 4 months ago
@motorsiegefan931 Ensure our air defense from who, ze Germans.
TheTallyGangi 4 months ago
@TheTallyGangi anything unexpected could come up at any time, it's better being prepared.
motorsiegefan931 4 months ago
@Locker10a the US army is the strongest army
carman2k9 5 months ago
The thing that I find amazing about the Irish army is, it's not huge, it dosent have much firepower, but it's elite, the ARW (Army Ranger Wing) are one of the worlds most elite units!
frankyman321 5 months ago
Air police with PC-9??!!? Great... All for the nation use a jet fighter, not a turboprop... may be it' better so
KOPER6U 6 months ago
buy some russian choppers instead of EU shit
shughes375 6 months ago
Great video of Irish army air corps.for a small nation they do us proud .God bless our Hundreds of troops in lebenon on peace keeping duty for the un.. keep them safe
desymagennis 6 months ago
the augusta westland 139 is amazing as well as their pilots, well done in distinguishing the gorse fires, jobs a good one, well done irish air corps.
AW139FAN 8 months ago
Nobody is afraid of Britain .more like laughing at them thinking they could invade any country in the world. We don't need fighters because none of ye are goin to invade us
jackoconnor24111 10 months ago
@hardnut451 Britain hasnt the manpower to do anything anymore only just over 100 thousand personel
jackoconnor24111 10 months ago
C'mon Ireland. The best you can do is seven civilian planes fitted with weapons? Get some serious firepower, like F-16s or MiG-29s.
warpedcomedy 1 year ago
Is that a Boeing 707 at 2:46?! They may as well buy the RAF's defunct VC10s! As for fighters, the BAe Hawk would be a good choice for their Air Corps.
bgibb101 1 year ago
If Norway can afford F-15s then we can. Same population.
Cyphairius 1 year ago
Ireland is a neutral country so it should be able to defend itself
krizar07 1 year ago
wait you dont have jets hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
linkinpark4eva2k7 1 year ago
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lyncho6969 1 year ago
I think Britain should give Ireland a few fighters .. seriously though
Ireland has nothing to fear, Nobody nearby is ever going to attack it
TheresAGhostInMyBeer 1 year ago
Why couldn't the Air Corp provide topcover for a Coastguard heli on a SAR mission, on Sunday night 200 miles off Shannon?
ponzi6 1 year ago
Gratings from the United States
Wanna Buy some F15s
77shadowknight 1 year ago
@77shadowknight That would be nice......but ask our government that :(
shayno125 1 year ago
@shayno125 no we cant do that . brian cowen needs to pay for his 7th mortgage
lyncho6969 1 year ago
@shayno125
I didn't really just see a prop on the nose of a plane did I?
Can't the Vatican pay you for all the child abuse in the form of old MIG fighters that Russia is going to sell to dictators otherwise?
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@shayno125 as if we could afford them.....
EireFlightVids 4 months ago
@77shadowknight F15's????? This country couldnt afford hot air balloons!
Shane028 1 year ago
@Shane028 lol
hurlingstar1 1 year ago
@77shadowknight We dont need them we dont invade countries!
Aviationnation10 5 months ago
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Ireland sucks so lets do something about it down with the current government and down with fianna Fail
LukeHand16 1 year ago
Is this vidéo freaken kidding? An air force WITHOUT fighter jets at all? How can such "corps" be supposed to defend Ireland being bordered by one of the strongest offensive air forces - the Royal Air Force of UK?! With a large number of Brits' fighter jets still remaining in our Northern Ireland, right beside Free Derry, we can NEVER EVER guarantee that the Brits won't one day invade us again!
C'mon, all-mighty Ireland! Get yourself some fighter jets before its too late!
cedricmeallan 1 year ago
@cedricmeallan As much as I agree with you on needing new fighter jets, there's no chance of Britain invading in the future. Relations have improved significantly and they are our closest trading partner. On top of that we are both members of the EU and Britain or any member would be in big trouble for laying a finger on any other member state
shayno125 1 year ago 8
@shayno125 Okay. I accept your point. But how about the Yankees? Or maybe the Communists? Anyway, my point is simply to emphasise the desperate need of new fighter jets like the Canadian Avro Arrow back in time.
cedricmeallan 1 year ago
@cedricmeallan The Yanks would be on our side too. As for the Commies I wouldn't trust them, nor them Muslim extremists. There's no place for neutrality or a small defence budget in today's world.
shayno125 1 year ago
@cedricmeallan
oh would you fuck off, ok sure no jets may seem shite, but if we got jets. they would do the same fucking role as the pc-9, and todays air forces are training piolts in intercepting hijacked air liners, and counter insurgency..and the pc-9 has all stuff you need for that
so why waste absolute millions on a few jets, when we could just add better weapons to the pc-9? it can take all wepaons in the NATO inventory.
yanks,brits wont invade,and commies? sure n.korea has it in for us
TheBlinkMIDF 1 year ago
@TheBlinkMIDF because Typhoons are better ahhh Royal Air Force!!
linkinpark4eva2k7 1 year ago
@linkinpark4eva2k7 RAF? lol I'm from England and the RAF aint all that, the Fleet air arm are far better pilots, as for Ireland not having jets, whats the point? not like anyone is going to invade us :P
12345678910925 1 year ago
@shayno125 Yeah but difference, Britian is part of ISAF-NATO were the UN brits arent in the UN as far as I can see.
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 1 month ago
@cedricmeallan Yes because Britain would randomly decided to invade Ireland hahahaha join us in 2010 mate
12345678910925 1 year ago 7
It is not an air force, it is an air corps. Since 1997 the Irish Air Corps has had the task of defending the State's airspace removed from its tasking, since it is incapable of fulfilling the role. Sad but true. Its only role is non-combat air support tasks for the Army and Naval Service.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
@cedricmeallan It's not an air-force and if Britain ever inviades the Republic I'll give you a shiny new tenner.
ZZKe7 1 year ago
@ZZKe7 Only if your tenner can buy a brand new Avro Arrow or Rafale to shoot down the Tornadoes/Typhoons.
cedricmeallan 1 year ago
@cedricmeallan AHh now come on! I dont think the brits are goin 2 invade us ? Why would they? + the EU an UN would never allow it ! Your being nieve now!
Locker10a 1 year ago
@Locker10a it dosent matter britian and america dont care about the eu or asians or russians we would still invade any countrie we want because every countrie is scared of us combined but well only invade u for oil and money so u betta hope u dont have alot of oil in ur countrie :)
hardnut451 11 months ago
@hardnut451 the USA and Britian dont have the power they once had!! And i dont think countries like Russia and China would be afraid of the uk or usa today! Thinking the UK or USA are goin to invade any country is daft to put it lightly ! I dont think you are intouch with the 21st centuary.
Locker10a 11 months ago
@cedricmeallan yes they may have jets but our planes have jet engines and we have the ira and the support of the us and well the brits could randomly attack us aswel I believe but I hope not
darkassasinify 9 months ago
@cedricmeallan thats why its called an air corps and not air Force
MrTwinky1996 3 months ago
@cedricmeallan Let me make myself clear.Ehem, The british army. they tried to conquer ireland for years now but they couldnt could they.We just gave them the north.gave it they didnt take over it.One guy said that Ireland hasnt got much of an army.And This is a big point.How could "Not Much Of An Army" beat the biggest empire in the world.if we hadnt got "much of an army" we wouldnt have beat you guys.and you have to be with me on that now
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 1 month ago
@cedricmeallan I mean like cedric, If we didnt have much of an army how did we beat the biggest empire.Ha! score for Èire!
MYNAMEISTHERANDOMEST 1 month ago
The fact that everyone has befriended the Irish from one end of the earth to the other is testamaent to the best strategic defence strategy that any country could have. who needs nukes when you have Guinnesss
zuludelta100 1 year ago 2
I'm so surpriced to see that there are NO fighter jets for air combats in the IDF. Being bordered by one of the strongest air force on Earth, the British Royal Air Force, I really doubt what the Air Corps can do when the British (or other hostiles) attack again. Irish do NOT want another 700 years of being colonialised!
cedricmeallan 1 year ago
thats a french dephanne at the start ,that flying bucket came out the ark.
tully5111helmets 1 year ago
Ireland is neutral. If war broke out we would seem as a threat towards other hostiles and would more likely be attacked. We have few but we also have some of the most updated technology in the world for miliarty supplies
tez1993 1 year ago
The Irish Air Corps should get some C-130 "Spookies". You could *definitely* defend fisheries with one of those. It could be said that that would be overkill, however. Given its relatively low need for a strong, large and well-funded military, I doubt Ireland much needs a Spooky. Still...
Jurassic0Al 1 year ago
@Jurassic0Al haha so basically the illegal fishermen would have a fairly nasty surprise. :P
thetubewithin 1 year ago
@thetubewithin- Yeah, they better look out. I'm sure the IDF does a fine job with what they have, though.
Jurassic0Al 1 year ago
I have a question...not putting doen the IDF, but how do you fight VS fighter jets? Air Def? or do they have fighters?
88M325TC 1 year ago
they dont use that helicopter anymore and the coast guard does mountain rescue
dekeyzer07 1 year ago
the excuse to have a low defence budget
shayno125 2 years ago
Hi sarsfieldusmc, just saw your messages on this. The US Army is very impressive and I know you may think that the Irish Army is weak in comparison. But we all have pride in the Irish army, just like you have pride in the US army. Yes your army has been involved in much much more than the Irish. And the US army has a high number of troops. But you must remember that Ireland has a population of just 4.2 million people, plus the fact that we have a policy of non-alignment gives our government....
shayno125 2 years ago
@shayno, i in no way think the irish are weak, and you should have pride in your army.
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
@shayno125 it's sitll a weak excuse Shayno, Sweden doesn't have a high population either, yet is has a decent sized airforce and develops its own type of jet planes
Ireland on the other hand, barely has 30 tubrofan training aircraft being used as the main attack aircraft
Xen1aserman 2 years ago
Yeah that is quite a joke, I do agree. We do need more funding for it.
shayno125 2 years ago
@shayno125 A few a-10s for ground support and a few f-14 or f-15s for air to air would be nice
lyncho6969 1 year ago
yes but we don't actually need a huge airforce, and we dn't have all the nessecery raw material to build our own types of jet, but it would be really kwl if we got a few gd planes in, *cough* AC-130 *cough* ;)
MrMe345 2 years ago
@Xen1aserman
True we don't have an impressive airforce, but why should we? the best defence is to cause no offence, then you wouldn't waste needless tax euros on aircraft to repel nuclear attack. besides we are the the most celebrated peace keepers on the planet. Just look at our U.N. record and see just how proffessional we actually are when it comes to Military response, I'd advise you to research the Irish Army Rangers aswell. were no fools.
zuludelta100 1 year ago
@zuludelta100 the peacefull approach of no offence only works for small countries that are irrelavent on an international level such as ireland (no offence meant by this) and i can see why ireland doesn't have a large armed forces, as it has no enemies
Xen1aserman 1 year ago
thats a lot of rambling on ,
ballygeale1 2 years ago
i hate that song its used so much
theoflanagan 2 years ago
that plane on 1:40 is an up dated spitfire
ballygeale1 2 years ago
im sorry for my previous comments your doing something for your country and thats what matters your in the armed forces protecting your country which i would have any other way..
linkinpark4eva2k7 2 years ago 2
my advice join the UK again and join the RAF
linkinpark4eva2k7 2 years ago
not sure i think it was juts made up for the add ,that add its about 5 years old.
ballygeale1 2 years ago
Hello, can anyone tell me the name of the artist or song in this video?
majrichwinters 2 years ago
i agree 100 0/0 ,they have a good worid record fom peace and helping people,but we shud have or own stuff and not have our hand out beggin for equipment all the time .
ballygeale1 2 years ago
we dont use any aircraft on so called overseas missions ,paddy irish has 2 borrow both aircraft and piolts ,paddy in the bog again,
ballygeale1 2 years ago
we dont need a good air force hence why its a fairly small one. our army is class though. one of the best trained armys in the world.
adam25124002 2 years ago
0:48 what plane?
snooppupc130jrketmas 2 years ago
Casa Cn235 :P
FPVsean 2 years ago
ireland has 30 aircraft, they need more for the amount of over seas missions they do
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago 2
I fully agree.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
In the short term it is very important that a sizable airfield is established on the West Coast. Most of Ireland's territorial waters are off the West Coast and with those set to increase even further in the future it is inefficient for the Air Corps' two CASA maritime patrol aircraft to be operating from Baldonnel. Helicopters can patrol the waters to the East and South, but the CASA's are needed chiefly off the West Coast so it makes little sense for them to be stationed on the East Coast.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
That's a good idea :)
shayno125 2 years ago
Irish air force is very small and almost useless.
96AirForce 2 years ago
so true
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
The Air defence is just like having a small lock on your house door.
ocean3da 2 years ago
even the Red Baron would down all these planes
ec5 2 years ago
and usa because barrack has irish ancestors =)
staraptor2k9 2 years ago
what is that song i love it!!!!
everytime i hear it im like Irish defence force damn i wanna join...hmm subliminal messaging :P
killerblue1 2 years ago
yeah! Where are all your jet fighters? You shouldnt rely on brits guys! come on!
martinos1979 2 years ago
Oh ... and yeah.. cool vid
GarGPS 2 years ago
fact is we DID have jets before the PC-9(good aircraft tho)
the pc has a f-16 style hud and cockpit layout...just in case we get outta resession and decide on some nice jets :D
armarpgBlink 2 years ago
No we never had jets.
TheBunEater 2 years ago
you did, you had vampires.
had another type aswell.
ConCon75 2 years ago
vampires weren't jets
TheBunEater 2 years ago
so those jet engines on the side where just incase the prop broke?
ConCon75 2 years ago
we did,we had the ,de Havilland Vampire (noisy bastards) and Fouga magisters
grame141 2 years ago
Ireland did have jet fighters in the 1950's and early 60's (the Vampires) and the Fouga Magister jet trainer/attack aircraft until the mid-1990's. The Irish Air Corps had a Light Attack Squadron equipped with jets from the 50's until the Magisters were decommissioned about a decade ago.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
no it isnt.
TheBunEater 2 years ago
irish army needs to modernise its vehicles, especially aircraft
TheBunEater 2 years ago
its switzerland(sorry i cant spell it right) because thats where all pilatuses are made and they have to have them on it my bro told me because hes a aircraft tecnition on them so i think i know and he went to switzedland to the saf for advanced clases on the pilatus pc-9m
davidmadigan 2 years ago
Great vid, 5*
donvit2 2 years ago
Holy christ, I completely overlooked some things. Mainly this.A step forward would be jet trainers.Even if we didnt get fighter jets as such(if opposition was that strong and well we would probably need them anyway), jet trainers would set us up nicely for such jets, or help anyway.Sprry for all the spelling mistakes/typos, i did this quick. and i just copy and pasted all this from one of my othe posts so the mistakes remain hahaha
dave088 2 years ago
Sorry only seen al your other comments now, and I agree with you 100%.
gav161 2 years ago
Thanks man, its good to know some people have understanding/sense!
dave088 2 years ago
look even if Ireland had a fully operational jet airforce,
1: it would be really expensive
2: its not a sign of a neutral country, (you think it is cool i recon)
3: they would still get smashed through sheer numbers, no matter how good the pilots are, you know what im saying?
Maybe the BAE hawk could be bought and converted to a fighter/interceptor that would probably do the trick
ConCon75 2 years ago
1: the irish army's budget is well over 1 billion
2: as a neutral country ireland has the job of patrolling 16% of the EU's water as well as their own country
3: pearl harbour - how many hundreds of japanese planes against 10 or 20 american planes yet the american's fought them off
TheBunEater 2 years ago
The Americans didn't fight off anyone at Pearl Harbor.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
It IS a sign of a neutral country to have air defence. Sweden (with a population only double the size of Ireland) developed their own jet from the ground up (the SAAB Gripen) precisely because it is a neutral country.
Ireland is not neutral. Sure we lie to think we are, but the reason we didn't join NATO after WWII was because in doing so we would have to recognise that Northern Ireland was part of the UK. Neutral countries (such as Switzerland, Sweden, etc in Europe) are serious about defence.
delacaravanio 2 years ago 3
yea another person who thinks it would be cool.
You would activley bankrupt your country just to have jets, jaysus you should have been born italian.
ConCon75 2 years ago
Actually the only countries which have a credible policy of neutrality are or were very heavily armed; notably Sweden, which had the world's fourth largest air force in the 50's and 60's, and Switzerland, which has a fully equipped jet air force and one of the world's largest armies. Strategic bombers may be offensive, but jet fighters should be a vital part of any country's defensive arsenal. Ultimately an aggressor only respects might.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
and explain how anybody would be able to attack the republic of ireland without nato and Britain jumping to their defence...
and also explain who would want to attack Ireland with jets...
ConCon75 2 years ago
Firstly, military planners have to plan for the future, not just the present. History demonstrates that status quo's don't last, and any strategic situation is subject to constant change. Until the 1970's Ireland had to assume that the UK was the most likely enemy. Secondly, anyone attacking anywhere in warfare at present will use airpower, which in turn necessitates the capacity for the defender to repulse such aerial attacks.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
so in short thats noone then...
ConCon75 2 years ago
Ireland does not face an immediate conventional threat in 2009. France did not in 1929 either. However its increasing foreign military commitments with the EU necessitate some sort of military capability. Since 1960 the Irish DF have seen all of their action far abroad. Ireland's Defense Forces are its only meaningful expression of foreign policy. Without a combat capable air force, the ability of Ireland's Defense Forces to defend the nation, and hence fulfill their mandate, is very limited.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
like i said only 30 aircraft, there is no way they could stand a chance if they were attacked
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
any air base wouldnt stand a chance if attacked....... even your "almighty" USAF would be fucked if attacked
our PC-9 could disable a M1 (YES DISABLE NOT DESTROY,DONT SAY I SAID DESTROY) and take out a team of soldiers
the irish army is a top class army up their with the US army,
plus i know what im talking about unlike 99% of comments about armies on youtube
armarpgBlink 2 years ago
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
I really do not want to get involved here. But I really have to say this. The Irish Army/Defence Force .... whatever!!! Are "THE" most welcome and "THE" most prefered Army/Defence Force to go into Any Country in the World and help out. Check it out. They really are. Not from all the stuff on here .... but from the people they all helped. Well done ye lads! :)
FatalityG15 2 years ago
In spite of your claims to be part of the 1% of people on youtube who knows what they are talking about, your comments display otherwise. The Irish Defense Forces are trained primarily for conventional warfare (they are a conventional army) and are fully trained for 'infantry missions' (whatever they are) up to battalion level, and the IDF have maneuver formations up to brigade level. Where the Irish Army lacks is in armor, which is practically non-existent.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
I don't think that anyone claimed that the IAC is anything close to a match to the USAF. However the USAF is facing problems that will put it at a disadvantage to other modern air forces in the next few decades. USAF generals are continually complaining about the fact that their third generation aircraft (F-15, F-16 etc.) are facing block obsolescence to fourth gen. fighters. The decision to cancel the F-22 at less than 200 aircraft will leave the USAF without true fighter aircraft.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
in other words your military is a national gaurd, how do i know this? i was talkin to someone who was in the irish army
your army does not need to be big or well trained for that porpose, keeping people of ireland civil if things start to happen, like earth quakes floods etc
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Lol in my opinion these guys are a joke :P stick with us and the rest of the fucking Uk least northern ireland got sense to want to fly join the RAF :P simple
linkinpark4eva2k7 2 years ago
You obviously know nothing of the Permanent Defense Forces if your comparison to them is the USNG. The Irish Defense Forces are a permanent, professional standing force who have nearly continually deployed abroad since 1960 and have a wealth of experience from active operations. The Irish equivalent of the USNG is the Reserve Defense Force (previously the FCA), which are organized into local units that can be mobilized when necessary. The primary role of the PDF is not aid to the civil power.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
Finally while the USMC may be a very professional and competent force the US Army is not the professional and qualitative equal of Western European armies. Its soldiers are the worst trained in NATO. The British Army rate the Irish PDF as the 7th most professional military in the world, considerably higher than they rate the US military. On average Irish soldiers also receive more training than regular US Marines as well.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
hmm, never heard tht. but we still hve combat experiance over the irish
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Of course. While the Irish Defense Forces have deployed almost continually abroad since 1960 on UN missions their only experience of actual warfare was the Congo mission from 1961-1963. Nevertheless taking into account that the Irish Defense Forces was woefully ill-equipped and lacked any combat experience in forty years its performance in the Congo was outstanding. Against heavily equipped Belgian-led Katangese forces the Irish performed superbly, notably at Jadotville and Elisabethville.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
At Jadotville (Sept. 1961) an Irish infantry company (A Coy 35th Battalion) without their 81-mm mortars were surrounded and attacked by 3-5,000 Katangans, supported by an attack jet, large numbers of 81-mm mortars and a French 75-mm field gun. The Irish troops repelled all attacks for four days, knocked out most of the enemy artillery and inflicted at least 300 fatalities, and as many as 1,000 wounded, for the loss of 7 men wounded. Katangan officers had to shoot their own men to stem the rout.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
kewl somalia, black hawk down, 18 us deaths, 1000 enemy deaths, 1 day. but yeah tht proves ireland i a pretty good country
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Mogadishu the US had air support from helicopters, were facing enemies who had no organization and could best be described as a mob, and were made up of elite US Rangers and Delta Force. Shooting down a mob is not enormously impressive. The Irish troops at Jadotville were surrounded by professionally led and organized forces, under air attack, had no access to support or reinforcement, and were heavily outgunned by the enemy support weapons. The Irish troops were 'mere' regulars.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
The Irish troops, coming from an army with no combat experience and equipped with WWII weaponry held their ground against a modern, well-equipped and relatively professional enemy. The US troops were elite units, were infinitely better equipped and trained than their opponent and were forced to beat a retreat against an untrained mob. The Irish also did not lose a single man. The circumstances of every military situation are of course different but Mogadishu does not compare with Jadotville.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
Of course 'enemy' is a relative term when shooting down crowds with militias mixed in. The Irish were facing a true military force at Jadotville, which has more often been compared to Rorke's Drift.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
a 'mob' lol, we werent gunning them down, we actully picked targets that had rifles
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
True. However they were a mob, with no organization, discipline, training or leadership. They can in no way be described as an actual military opponent.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
yeah, ok, ireland had tht one REAL military engagement, now tht fight unorginized terrorists like us. we had ww1 ww2, korea, vietnam, gulf war 1, gulf war 2, afghanisthan. btw the nva was organized with a command . the main part of the war in vietnam was fought aginst an orginized enemy, tht said the viet kong was pretty damn orginized, not as orginized as the NVA,but still moderatly organzed. so dont tell me tht vietnam was fought aginst an unorginized enemy.if you think tht,then your a dumbass
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
We were talking about Mogadishu, as I recall? Nevertheless the US Army did not perform impressively in any war that you have named, and the USMC is good but not spectacular. Again the Viet Cong may have been relatively coordinated and organized, and the NVA certainly displayed superb discipline and good tactical skills. However seeing as they did often defeat US forces in company-size engagements and did ultimately triumph in the Vietnam War I am not sure what point you are trying to emphasize.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
yeah... our army still kicks your armys ass,
1. more combat experiance, thus is better
2 better equipment
3. only americans can joke about the army
4 us losses 58,000 deaths
N vietnam losses 1,176,000
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
The US military's combat experience has since 1945 been failure with one exception: 1991 Persian Gulf War. Anyone can joke about the US military. Ultimately it is the last army standing that is the winner, and in Vietnam that was the NVA. I never said that the Irish Army could beat the US military, so don't act like a bitch when you run out of arguments.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
not including vietcong losses, vietnam was a political loss, tacticly we won, wen liberals took majority, they pulled out of vietnam completly, we were already pulling out troops and letting the SOUTH vietnemesse take over operations, they had a very good army, we were going to supply them with ammo,guns and air support.the dumbass democrates went back on our promise and with drawed all troops,didnt supply them with ammo, guns or airsupport.if we had done what we had promised they would have won
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Tactically the US military did not win; America destroyed the Viet Cong in 1968, but did not defeat the North Vietnamese Army. Of course tactically the US military won 95% of engagements, but they still failed to win any decisive victories. If you believe that the ARVN was 'very good' you clearly don't know the first thing about the Vietnam War. The Republican Nixon was the one who withdrew, not the Democrats. America would not have won without invading and conquering the North.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
oh yea inform me who trained ur rangers?
WE DID, so dont go saying tht the us army is bad wen WE TRAINED YOUR SOLDIERS. dumbass
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Initially yes. However the ARW trains with the SAS and Delta now, not the US Army Rangers. Average Irish regulars displayed in the Congo a level of quality and fighting ability far above the average US soldier. The commander of the Australian SAS called the ARW the most quietly professional special forces unit he had ever worked with. This comes from the men who train US SF. The US Army has always been of inferior quality to other western equivalents.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
oh yea i forgot to mention, yeah the brits do hve better training but we have more combat experiance, all the training in the world can not make you the best in battle, the man with the most combat experiance comes out on top, thts my last post on the subject, good wishes to you mate
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
The US military does not have half of the combat experience of the British Army, that is laughable. Training is what determines unit's quality. You are obviously a tenderfoot on military matters. The British Army has more experience and better training, and would come out on top. They are recognized internationally as the world's most experienced and professional military. That is why in Afghanistan the kill/loss ratio of the British contingent is close to 100/1, and the US Army's is 14-25/1.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
British troops have a much better kill-loss ratio than US troops in Afghanistan, and 9,000 UK troops are doing 80% of the fighting in Afghanistan in the Helmand while 60,000+ US troops sit astride the Taliban's supply lines and fail to cut them. Can you name a genuine example of the fighting ability of US troops to match Jadotville? If not don't talk smack. Dumbass.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
umm thts wrong, dumbass, we do most of the fighting in iraq and afghanisthan, they have less causilties cuz they do less combat operations, our army is better, simple. about tht jadoville, read my comment bout the 400 army troops vs the 2000 nva troops, btw ur a fucking dumbass, we have completed our mission in iraq. so yeah you know nothing about us missions in iraq. mr.dumbass we wont agree. mainly becaus your a dumbass. sorry, i respect the irish army, but i dont like you talkin shit
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
You are clearly totally ignorant of reality. There are 4 times as many engagements in the Helmand (British sector) as anywhere else in Afghanistan, and the British, Dutch and Canadian troops in Helmand and Kandahar have been doing most of the fighting since 2006. The US sector is along the Pakistani Border, astride the Taliban's supply lines and they have failed miserably to cut them while the British do the fighting. Calling me a dumbass is pathetic seeing that you are full of shit.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
The actual nature of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq belies all of your wishful claims. In Iraq the US military managed to gain a temporary lull by following a British strategy (Sons of Iraq) and took advantage to make a face-saving pull out. The US military could achieve nothing before following the British strategy and if you think the insurgency is over you are mistaken. In Afghanistan the facts are that the British troops are doing most of the fighting and inflicting most of the casualties.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
What you like is irrelevant, you don't know your arse from your elbow. You are a military illiterate and frankly pretty clueless. The US Army is not particularly good. That is simple fact. Many US troops will acknowledge that, just as they did during WWII. You have no counterpart to Jadotville either. In all Vietnam engagements the US forces had access to crushing air power, artillery fire and aerial reinforcement. The Irish in the Congo did not have those resources and pulled off Jadotville.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
without any facts, the only REAL facts you had was jadoville, so dont reply, wen arguements come to a point were i am talking to a dumbass who wont reason i leave. lets go our seprete ways and stop argueing
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
At least I have facts. Your wayward opinions are based predominately on air and shit. An imbecile calling someone a dumbass is a bit ridiculous, no?
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
Maybe you ought to learn reason? You haven't been able to counter any arguments or present any, in which case you can either a) accept or b) slink off making transparent, face-saving excuses for your inadequacy. You have predictably chose option b).
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
belive wat you want to belive, i dont care, the fact remains you have no evidence tht the us army suks ;) good day mate, i hve facts also, infact i said NOTHING without looking it up first, you just said random shit, but mate your a dumbass good bye, to reply would just prove tht you cant let something go, we have this arguement for a week and half now? its pointless to countine when no side will benifit from it
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Actually I never said 'the US Army sucks'. The fact is that US troops have always had less discipline, elan and aggression under fire than those of many other nations, and US officers are not of a very high quality for the most part. The military performance of the US military for example in the Second World War was at best mediocre. The US Army is good, but in qualitative terms it certainly lacks the professionalism, discipline and leadership of other western armies.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
If you have studied any of America's military history nothing that I have said should be a shock to you. It is there for all to see. During the Second World War in particular the best US generals, including Patton and Gavin constantly complained about the poor quality of their GI's. America's generals have nearly always been career politicians in uniform rather than proven combat leaders, which has never helped its military effectiveness.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
hey kampfer, i am not saying this to argue, i looked up jadoville,intresting, the irish held off for 5 days and knocked out most of thier artty and motor emplacements with counter fire from THIER 60mm mortors(the irish did have mortor support), also, though the irish lost, they took out lots of congos, by the way the irish werent fighting a modern military, they were fighting congos and mercenarys, but impressive none the less
reminds of the chosin resivor were marines fought
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
The Irish contingent's 6 60-mm mortars were organic to A Company. The Company did not have their 81-mm mortars, and my point was that the Irish troops had no outside support of any kind. Many of the ordinary Gendarmerie were African cannon-fodder, but the enemy officers and NCO's were all highly trained veterans of either the French Colonial Paratroopers, French Foreign Legion or Belgian Paracommandos. All were veterans of either WWII, France's colonial wars or both. The Irish were green troops.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
Chosin Reservoir was certainly an impressive performance by the USMC by any standards. It is one of the few battles in which it can truly be said US troops shined on the battlefield, along with Guadalcanal. These were however both Marine actions, not Army ones. Nevertheless it should be remembered that the US military had virtually complete air supremacy, as well as armor and artillery. The Chinese troops did have huge numerical superiority but had very few heavy weapons.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
The USMC has always displayed good levels of combat performance and discipline, and is certainly the most professional branch of the US military. The US Army has always been inadequately trained and poorly led, and they do not have a great record on the battlefield. As I said before most of the most impressive land actions in US history were fought by the US Marines Corps.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
so yeah the chinese got thier butts handed to them by us, though they won :) good day
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
they irish would have won if the sweds got thier in time
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago
That is true. The Irish won the firefight. If Commandant Quinlan had managed to launch counterattacks, even in the form of hit and run raids that Katangans would probably have collapsed altogether.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
here are some battles of marines tht would intrest you
1. battle of new orelans
american causilties:less then 100
british: 2,000
2.battle of wake island
small number of marines hold out aginst VERY large number of jappanese soldiers, damageing the invading force, they fell on 23 dec, they were attacked right after pearl harbor
500 Marines held off aginst 2500 japannese soldiers
the marines lost 130 men
the japaneese lost 820 men
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago