This is my argument on Christian people being against abortions. Why are they against abortions? There is a chance the children born will grow up and follow other religions or become atheists and go to hell.
I look at religion from a scientific prospective. Nothing can be proven because there is always information we may not know about that could change our way of thinking.
So, until we have legitimate evidence for god I will choose not to believe.
I don't understand you people, Why do you insist on "THE MEANING OF LIFE'.
life is beautaiful the way it is. living is enough to enjoy it, work for it and help others while witnessing what is happening around. There are lots of meanings to life and it differes between people as well. So, there is no "THE MEANING OF LIFE" and not everyone is the same and not everyone shares your meaning of life. I am happy to live while there is time for me to live. and disappear like I have never existed.
If you watched the video, you should see that meaning comes from yourself, not from some supernatural being. You make your own meaning.
As for morality. You assume that because there isn't an absolute morality that there isn't one at all. Because we evolved to be social animals, we evolved to have a basic idea of morality.
Killing and stealing is bad for a functioning society. And societies rely on communication. If everyone were lying then communication would be worthless.
So you're saying that we should pretend that there's a morality and that there's some meaning to life. Sorry but I stopped pretending as a child. The reality is... if atheism is right... there is no morality ... there is no meaning. We're all just clumps of flesh on this rock... And when all life dies out no one will care and all history will be forgotten...
You just ignored what I typed. There is morality when it comes to the basics: killing, stealing, and lying. everything else must be figured out by us. What benefits society.
As for meaning; we have one life and should make the best of it. Whether we like it or not, we should do what makes us happy (assuming it isn't at the expense of another person).
What benefits society has no bearing on morality. Who is one man to tell another what is right or wrong? They're not. Without a moral giver ... there is no morality.
There is no meaning if atheism is right. Once this planet grows dark and cold... all of what we thought was meaningful will be long gone.
And even if it is the case that there is no meaning, it wouldn't change what is true or not.
if it happens that there is no god then that's too bad. Believing that there is one doesn't make it so. What you want to believe and what reality actually is are not one in the same.
Atheism is a disbelief in any gods, not the belief in no gods.
And I agree, without god there is no ABSOLUTE morality. But, without god there is human based morality. We can base our morality upon reasoned argument and discussion. The things that harm society and others should be considered immoral. Those that help society and others are what we would call moral.
Clearly, people are moral and there may not be a god; there's no (assertion-free) evidence of any god.
What a dictionary says means nothing since the oxford English dictionary says quite the opposite. A disbelief in God or gods.
And if there was evidence, then I would believe. But, there isn't.
And I've already agreed with you that without god there is no absolute morality. But, there isn't absolute morality anyway. There are ideas that we can develop to make a society function well. I personally don't even like the term moral because it has a religious connotation.
Like I've said, atheism is a rejection of a belief. Repeatedly posting the definition from a specific dictionary doesn't mean anything.
It's a rejection of a claim. Does one need to provide evidence that there isn't a man that lives in the core of the moon who bestows gifts upon those that worship him?
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
I assume you believe in one god. So, if the disbeliever must provide evidence, where's your evidence that all the other gods aren't real?
There are thousands of gods. Do you believe int hem all, or just one? If you only believe in one, then you disbelieve in all the rest.
And I'm not trying to convert you. I was making the point that there is "morality" that are based upon the standards of what is beneficially to the society and the people in it.
You were saying that without a law giver then there is no law. I asked for evidence of that law giver.
There's the Argument from Reason, the Argument to Design, the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument, and the Transcendental Argument... What do you have?
Oh, and you don't get to deny a definition because you want to. The definition is what it is.
"There's the Argument from Reason, the Argument to Design, the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument, and the Transcendental Argument... What do you have?"
There is also a argument for Unicorns and the Flying spaghetti monster. Argue as you may neither of them is a tad bit true lol.
"there is no meaning. We're all just clumps of flesh on this rock... And when all life dies out no one will care and all history will be forgotten... "
reality sucks. But it those fairy tales make you feel cuddly inside go for it.
@1EpicLulz Reality doesn’t have to suck. We all assign our own meaning to life. There is no absolute answer but we create individual ones (watch?v=mXjyThnpHLE)
Now go back to Wyoming with with the rest of the yokels. I don't want to breeding your stupidity into my home state. Oh and tell your imaginary friends Santa,God, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and the rest of the gang i said hi.....lmao
@steve4ha Being a non-believer , you can not be tortured for eternal. Bcos even if you suppose there is a god , the god of such a great existence can not be such a timid to punish you on what you eat, what you believe. The whole earth is not even equal to a drop in a ocean as compare to currently known universe.
life has no meaning, we have no meaning. meaning is a contrived concept to life, wether you choose to live or die depends entirely on your own moral and obligations to your world and family.
@steve4ha Interesting, why would someone prefer never ending torture over the peacefulness of death? It's not like you will be saved after a 1,000,000 years of mutilation in a lava pit, so why live forever? I for one would like to live out my life and just die off (hopefully in peace) like all the other animals.
@Chibithy Well, yeah.. I expect to die. I was saying being a "non believer" is fine for me, if I'm wrong I accept eternal torture.. But if believers are wrong they basically gave up their one shot at life to memorize a book.
I've always felt that self-preservation is antithetical to the idea of of expressing faith in both a god with a master plan and an afterlife. If god controls life/death and there really is an afterlife awaiting theists, why don't they run TOWARDS tornados, rather than into storm shelters? I mean Natural disasters are god-given trips tot he afterlife, right?
"I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader.
@SecundiniusSineDei Exactly. They use words almost on inference alone, with no clue as to their meaning. Instead they has hope that magic does real. They don't understand the moral of The Emperors New Clothes and that magic doesn't real.
It's like trying to tell a battered housewife that she's in an abusive relationship. Applied learned helplessness and mythological battered housewife syndrome.
@EntinludeX Really? Theists make a deal about something, namely a god of some sort, atheists believe in nothing and still promote the belief in nothing. Why make a big deal of a literal nothing? For Theists, a god is substantial but "nothing" being substantial as in the case of atheists is really a waste of time. Go spend time on something more worthwhile, like fishing for instance rather than promoting belief in nothing
@milan319 "Atheists believe in nothing" - WRONG. Atheists just don't beleive in mythical deities. The universe is full of things to believe in, just not fairygodparents. You are fractally wrong.
@EntinludeX A rehashing the old Dawkins argument about ferries and spaghetti. So if atheists believe in something why don't they never promote this belief and spend their time on trying to convert the Theists. Start promoting your beliefs and not being only anti-theists, that's a poor approach. BTW what's wrong with fractal? ;-) Gone fishing...
@milan319 Nonsense. The fact that deities are mythical hasn't anything to do with Dawkins and everything to do with there being no evidence for them. Atheism isn't a belief system, fool. It's merely a response to the claim of theism who's evidence is not given. Science, philosophy, art: these are all thing believed in. Clearly, you're clearly being foolish or just can't sort the difference a between belief and a disbelief.
@EntinludeX Clearly when one speaks of belief in a debate between theism and atheism, the term belief implies belief in deities or a non-such-thing. At hand here is not belief of philosophy, art, etc. which theists and atheists can believe. So bashing theists implies getting them to believe into the lack of an existing something - meaning nothing.
@milan319 Nonsense. Again claiming atheism is merely a "belief in the lack of an existing something" is trying to a false double negative. It's a failure on your part to grasp doubt in a single concept. The belief in god, isn't a belief in "everything", so obviously other things exist to believe in.
What you're saying is essentially no different than claiming that to eat Swiss cheese, is to eat holes. You're totally missing the point because you're ignoring, willfully, the cheese itself.
@EntinludeX No I think you fail to grasp the point of my original comment, which was tongue in cheek and meant to be a bit of a pun. Meanwhile you make a big deal about it. Frankly I couldn't care less since there are more pertinent debates that have more value than a circular argument about the existence of god or not ... waste of time... now time to go fishing...
@milan319 When I see aeroplanes smashing into buildings killing 3000 people and grainy videos of men stoning young womens heads in whilst a huge crowd of men laugh and jeer makes peoples religious beliefs a massive deal as their beliefs about the cosmos directly links to this behaviour.
I care about how these beliefs lead to immorality and violence against humans. I have made a value judgement that humans are important, and therefore anything that harms people must be criticised.
"there is this god thing, which created your soul thing; stuck it in this meat sack machine for a period of x number of years...to be judged whether or not it deserves to be in the next phase of existense."
"if you really believed that was the case...you should kill yourself"
religious people think that there is something that is more than what we have now... we do not... this is the only reality and you have to live now, before you die
That may be, but the words they are saying are essentially true wherever it is they got them. Obviously not from their own minds since you say they are idiots.
I don't think they are trying to convince anyone of the "truth". They are simply going where the current and best reality based evidence leads.
If you are looking for "truth", go study some philosophy or your ancient holy book or whatever and decide what your own "truths" are for yourself. But after you do so, don't make the mistake of assuming your truths are other peoples truths and certainly don't try to present them as facts. Facts come from reality, not "truth".
@stimpson65 Far from the truth, now yh, I agree if you dogmatically assume your holy book is true, that you shouldn't share it as fact, yes, you are correct. But philosophy's truth are not to be ignored and they are a source of fact, many a times, specially in a field I love, theoretical physics, the mathematically derived formulas from thought experiments are a source of fact and were once an idea before discovered to be fact, like the prediction of anti-particles from Paul Dirac's formula.
what? that all god really is is time? that over time a hand full of humans have made him up? and why not watch the videos? i find them interesting lol
but time varies due to gravity and acceleration (which are basically the same thing), and the bible says god is constant So...... How do you explain that?
no you think you have more, you just put a label on ordinary situations to add false meaning. to take away people sense of self achievement and replace it wit god. a play on peoples hopes and fears to control ignorant people. it makes dumb people feel smarter than they really are not and at the same time make them mentally lazy. and it give people the sense that they are alway right along as you add god in something it cant be challenged. you have let yourself become manipulated. u=brainwashed
I'm Mormon. I was wondering if everyone's reincarnated to recover from sins or go to hell, then the way I see it is this. The only things in heaven must be abortions. Laugh or don't, I'm so lost.
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The reason why you would say something like that is because you don't understand Jesus Christ. Please read the Bible and pray to the real Jesus, the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE and repent your sins and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
typical! believe what i do wit out proof or else! what makes your religion right and others wrong? its thousands of religions in the world all wit 0 evidents to support them yet you probably never considered other religion wit out bias. they all cant be right but they can all be wrong. i bet you just believe cus someone told you to unquestioned. basic brainwashin. get them when they are young and stupid and you got them 4 life!
you being a christian make you apart of a religion. look it up if you dont believe me. its like saying subtraction is a part of mathematics. by your dumb ass statement i would say yeah youre a christian alright! lack basic critical thinkin skills. religion is all groups of people in the world who believe in a god or a higher power & worship it. christians fit in this category. so do muslims jews hindus etc. get your head out of gods ass & learn true facts. god made your brain a little stupid!
The individual on the left talks about how he finds our biological development "remarkable" and "amazing" but these emotional and intellectual responses are nothing but neuro-chemical reactions, no more meaningful than any other chemical process.
Using labels like "amazing" and "remarkable" implies a kind of transcendence that science sure doesn't provide.
This is a classic example of smart stupidness. Regardless of philosophical naturalism an opinion is an opinion and has value to the individual. Nothing about it implies transcendence. It's a complete non-sequitur that should have been obvious to you.
I am an atheist, anything with evidence to support it is more likely to be true than something with no evidence. However, if you proved the existence of god with evidence to back it up, I'm all for the truth. But if you can't, I don't see a reason to believe in him any more than a child's imaginary friend who takes the blame for stealing from the cookie jar.
I am becoming convinced that it's not really about evidence with the atheist, it's about a variety of issues but not about evidence, not at all. I submit that even if you did prove God's existence to the average atheist ,he would still be unchanged in his principle character and actually it would likely make him worse because he has been proven a wrong after all. Am I wrong and if so why?
You are looking at it all wrong. Religion is faith based. The reason it is called *faith based* is due to the *fact* that there is *no evidence*. So one is left with *only faith*.
For me, I require proof before I believe. Especially when it has to do with my life, as a whole.
I have spent years researching and looking for *any evidence*. Therefore, I am an atheist. As there is no evidence for a religious character sets, such as a *God*.
I would say it's exactly the opposite. If I was shown proof of the existence of God in a scientific frame of reference (If such a thing were possible) I would believe in a second. That's the way science works. It changes with evidence. Personal belief or faith has nothing to do with it.
Again, if proof were possible to come up with, are you telling me that Theists would change their beliefs more readily than atheist?. I tend to think not. Reversing that 'faith' threatens their belief structures. My belief structure as a scientific atheist allows me to have a flexible 'faith' (to use the term I am accused of having), based on evidence and probability. It's COMPLETELY flexible with evidence to support it.
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Ultimately if one insist on seeing a physical being as God in order to believe He exist then just be patient and if you are say under 50 and in good health then you have an excellent chance of seeing the proof you need. Prophecy is unfolding at a rapid pace and ironically enough the rise in atheism,chest thumping defiance,pride and self-exaltation is itself a sign of the last days the Bible speaks about.
So this guys marvels at the wonderful creation that he is and then claims his creator is eons of evolution, a non intelligent force that came from nothing, brilliant.
Are you saying that nothing made everything? Or non-life can produce life? Or laws arise without a lawgiver? Or thoughts originate without a thinker? Or....
ah, lovely use the word law in it's prescriptive sense instead of DESCRIPTIVE as science does.
thoughts require a thinker. sure.
nothing made everything? don't know. when we see before the plank instant we can tell you till then we know up to then and no further back. anything else is speculation.
something CAN come from nothing (which WOULD be the christian position, ex nihilio creation, "let there be" you know?).
look into hawking radiation, quantum fluctuation, and cassimir effect.
Don't recall the author of the following but always thought it was a good question, to paraphrase:
Why/how would a accidental universe with no purpose produce creatures that are obsessed with purpose? Again we know or should know non-intelligence cannot give rise to intelligence. Something comes from something or someone and nothing comes from nothing,quite logical,right and consistant with what we can observe.
Just the assumption that you made about how non intelligence doesn't have the potential to give rise to intelligence. I understand the logic of the argument, but it isn't supported by any evidence what so ever. I was just showing that the whole idea was circular.
"Again we know or should know non-intelligence cannot give rise to intelligence. "
neural net circuitry can be evolved. i've evolved computer programs, control circuitry for mission critical life and death systems are evolved. tell me again how intellect is needed to design for intellect?
"...someone and nothing comes from nothing,"
cassimir effect, hawking radiation, quantum fluctuations. something from nothing. look into it.
"Well then lets not work, lets not build, lets us be animals and die from diseases and other animals. What do you think?"
Actually if we did away with science and progress this is pretty much what would happen. This is what the religious nuts want, they bash science and then turn around and use the benefits of the very thing they dislike to better their lives.
If one needs an after life to enjoy living on earth, thats just sad. No way around it, completely sad.
I can contemplate my own future at the same time i am hoping for more. i can hope for more at the same time i am awestruck by the joys of this life...i am not held down but set free.
here,s an example there,s people that live in the highest places on earth,,their lungs are way more efficient to utilize the thin air,, THAT,S EVOLUTION IN ACTION, why can,t blind religious people see these evolutionary factual things???? things ?????
There reason why things exists has to be because they do, which would make "nothing" a thing that we created. An area of nothing can't even exist (unless I'm wrong?)
So if nothing isn't possible and infinity is possible then meaning becomes the reason why your are yourself and not something else.
It's incredible to continually see Atheists build these straw men of a theism. As if their argument for meaning is no more than a graduating of existence. This is why I can't take most Atheists seriously, it's apparent from the rating there are a lot of people who consider this impressive, I'm baffled.
Not sure if your comment was a response to the video or to someone's comment but if you think that theists do not make claims that atheists cant have any moral sense with out a skydaddy then you are sorely mistaken.
I see that nonsense said by theists almost daily while it has zero evidence to support the claim.
Did you notice you didn't even address my claim? Did I say atheists can't have any moral sense with out a skydaddy? I do believe this, but it was not my specific concern here. Sooo, you see nonsense in theists, ok so do I, what's your point, is it that it's fine for the atheist to talk nonsense because the theist does?
"So, who is straw manning who?" Well I have been strait forward and have not attempted to straw-man Atheists.
Well i honestly did not see what you "claim" was other then saying atheists straw man theists and since the video is about theists saying no one can have morals with out a god i was guessing that is the topic you are addressing.
Maybe you should read the part where i clearly said that in my comment.
That is why suicide bombers do what they do. Islam expressly forbids suicide, but if some preacher says that you can get into heaven with all those virgins if you can take as many of the enemy as possible, well, it is much easier to make a decision to wear an explosive backpack or crash a plane into something big.
Why not make this life enjoyable to those around you and the people you love? Why not let your children grow up in a world better then your own? Why not find cures for disease and feed the starving?
Yes yes, these things are reasonable. I mean these things are part of any decent real objective, but to live solely for others is unreasonable. What is the outcome? What is the objective? Living to die doesn't seem very attractive to me.
Who says there is an outcome or an objective. What is the outcome or objective of a dolphin being born? Or a dog or cat or deer? Deer as a species can only help there species survive. Same applies to humans but a human can help save some species from being eliminated from this planet. A human can create through science cures for infections to help someone or an animal.
Who says we are living to die? I think religious people are living to die for there god. post cont.
As an atheist I find great enjoyment in exploring this world and all it has to offer. Different foods, music, cultures, nature. Just knowing how the planet works and exploring nature is wonderful. The grand canyon for example is spectacular. Does knowing how the Colorado river took millions of years to form it take away from its beauty? I think it adds to it. I live to learn.
but do you value the religiouse aspects of DIFFERENT CULTURES as less valuable than ,say, the dance aspect.
what cultures have you found that are rich and vibrant that are not religious. do you beleive a culture is vibrant and alive if its missing a huge part. the religious aspect you have rejected in your own culture.
better learn those cultures quick because the atheist are going to take them all away purify them and give them back without any soul.
This is my argument on Christian people being against abortions. Why are they against abortions? There is a chance the children born will grow up and follow other religions or become atheists and go to hell.
Or do they believe babies go to hell?
HighCardWins 2 months ago
man my life sucks and this shit just confirms what i already know.. eat shit fuck die and hope your born into a rich family.
darkblighttmo 5 months ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
I look at religion from a scientific prospective. Nothing can be proven because there is always information we may not know about that could change our way of thinking.
So, until we have legitimate evidence for god I will choose not to believe.
CurryCobra 5 months ago
I love Matt's analogies!
juugoolart 6 months ago 3
Perfectly said Matt, and unlike jack; stay rational.
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Katalyzt 6 months ago
Learn Chassidus
jcckidz 8 months ago
you create your own meaning
lucariololol 8 months ago
I don't understand you people, Why do you insist on "THE MEANING OF LIFE'.
life is beautaiful the way it is. living is enough to enjoy it, work for it and help others while witnessing what is happening around. There are lots of meanings to life and it differes between people as well. So, there is no "THE MEANING OF LIFE" and not everyone is the same and not everyone shares your meaning of life. I am happy to live while there is time for me to live. and disappear like I have never existed.
torquer007 9 months ago
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that ugly bald piece of lard is proof that intelligent design does not exist! athiests are annoying tardbutt faced trolls!
MrJoshuaSi 9 months ago
Religious people are wilfully ignorant hypocrites.
M3t4lManiac 10 months ago
Meat computers.... LOL
s4stem 10 months ago
If the meaning of life is so important, why is it that Theists have no concern about the meaning of Eternal LIfe?
To them the purpose of this life is to get into the next life but they have no idea what the meaning of the next life is?
Typical of believers they never ask the next obvious question?
How is striving for a meaningless afterlife meaningful?
dimbulb23 11 months ago
logic wins again!
universalmoor 11 months ago
If atheism is correct... then life is meaningless and morality is non-existent..
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
Nah, don't be foolish.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
I'm in no way being foolish. Just factual...
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
Not quite.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
Yes quite...
How am I wrong?
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
If you watched the video, you should see that meaning comes from yourself, not from some supernatural being. You make your own meaning.
As for morality. You assume that because there isn't an absolute morality that there isn't one at all. Because we evolved to be social animals, we evolved to have a basic idea of morality.
Killing and stealing is bad for a functioning society. And societies rely on communication. If everyone were lying then communication would be worthless.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
So you're saying that we should pretend that there's a morality and that there's some meaning to life. Sorry but I stopped pretending as a child. The reality is... if atheism is right... there is no morality ... there is no meaning. We're all just clumps of flesh on this rock... And when all life dies out no one will care and all history will be forgotten...
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
You just ignored what I typed. There is morality when it comes to the basics: killing, stealing, and lying. everything else must be figured out by us. What benefits society.
As for meaning; we have one life and should make the best of it. Whether we like it or not, we should do what makes us happy (assuming it isn't at the expense of another person).
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
What benefits society has no bearing on morality. Who is one man to tell another what is right or wrong? They're not. Without a moral giver ... there is no morality.
There is no meaning if atheism is right. Once this planet grows dark and cold... all of what we thought was meaningful will be long gone.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
And even if it is the case that there is no meaning, it wouldn't change what is true or not.
if it happens that there is no god then that's too bad. Believing that there is one doesn't make it so. What you want to believe and what reality actually is are not one in the same.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
I agree... that belief doesn't make something fact. Belief that there is no god... doesn't make atheism true.
That has nothing to do with morality. Without God... there is no morality...
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
Atheism is a disbelief in any gods, not the belief in no gods.
And I agree, without god there is no ABSOLUTE morality. But, without god there is human based morality. We can base our morality upon reasoned argument and discussion. The things that harm society and others should be considered immoral. Those that help society and others are what we would call moral.
Clearly, people are moral and there may not be a god; there's no (assertion-free) evidence of any god.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
There can be perceived morality... but no true morality. One person's idea of morality can be completely different from another. Who gets to decide?
a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
We can pretend that we know what's moral... but if there's no God... then there's simply no morality. Anything is allowed.
It's funny that only atheists claim that there is no evidence for God...
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
What a dictionary says means nothing since the oxford English dictionary says quite the opposite. A disbelief in God or gods.
And if there was evidence, then I would believe. But, there isn't.
And I've already agreed with you that without god there is no absolute morality. But, there isn't absolute morality anyway. There are ideas that we can develop to make a society function well. I personally don't even like the term moral because it has a religious connotation.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
Atheists are the only ones claiming that there is no evidence...
Where's the evidence for atheism?
dex1391 11 months ago
@d
Like I've said, atheism is a rejection of a belief. Repeatedly posting the definition from a specific dictionary doesn't mean anything.
It's a rejection of a claim. Does one need to provide evidence that there isn't a man that lives in the core of the moon who bestows gifts upon those that worship him?
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
I assume you believe in one god. So, if the disbeliever must provide evidence, where's your evidence that all the other gods aren't real?
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
I reject the claim of atheism.
The burden of proof is on the one trying to convert. If you want to change my mind.... the burden of proof is on you.
Where do you get the idea that I believe that there is no God? I never once claimed that.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
There are thousands of gods. Do you believe int hem all, or just one? If you only believe in one, then you disbelieve in all the rest.
And I'm not trying to convert you. I was making the point that there is "morality" that are based upon the standards of what is beneficially to the society and the people in it.
You were saying that without a law giver then there is no law. I asked for evidence of that law giver.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
No... there's only one God. And yes... I believe in Him.
If you're not trying to convert me.. then you really have no reason to post me.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
I was merely asking for evidence.
But I don't really care anymore if all you're going to do is post the same dictionary definition.
What a wonderful way to make a point. Keep posting the same thing over and over again.
I've already told you that that dictionary definition is worthless.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
I was asking for evidence of your claims.
There's the Argument from Reason, the Argument to Design, the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument, and the Transcendental Argument... What do you have?
Oh, and you don't get to deny a definition because you want to. The definition is what it is.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
Different dictionaries have different definitions. This one is from the OED.
Pronunciation:/ˈāTHēˌizəm, /
noun disbelief in the existence of God or gods.
I don't claim that gods don't exist. I just reject that claims that they do. And each of those arguments have been refuted countless times over.
What I have is that no argument has been irrefutable. All of those arguments are just assertions and aren't actually evidence.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
Claiming that arguments have been refuted isn't a defense. You asked for evidence.. I gave you several.
where's your evidence?
Can you prove that there's no God?
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
I'm not claiming that there are no gods. I've said that already.
I'm rejecting the claim that there is a god/are gods.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
I'm rejecting atheism.
dex1391 11 months ago
@dex1391
Since you don't seem to understand that I'm not claiming that gods don't exist then we've reached an impasse and cannot go any further than this.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
If you're not willing to defend your position.. .don't bother people of differing positions.
It's cowardly to attack and then run.
dex1391 11 months ago
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"If you're not willing to defend your position.. .don't bother people of differing positions."
LMAO
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
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"There's the Argument from Reason, the Argument to Design, the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument, and the Transcendental Argument... What do you have?"
There is also a argument for Unicorns and the Flying spaghetti monster. Argue as you may neither of them is a tad bit true lol.
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
"No... there's only one God. And yes... I believe in Him."
yet i have no proof he exists....rofl
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
@1EpicLulz
How's that evidence for atheism from evolution coming? We keep waiting...
come on retard... lets see it...
dex1391 10 months ago
@dex1391
And I can quote dictionaries too, I don't know why you keep doing it.
Pronunciation:/ˈāTHēˌizəm, /
noun disbelief in the existence of God or gods.
The Oxford English dictionary.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay
a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
dex1391 11 months ago
"there is no meaning. We're all just clumps of flesh on this rock... And when all life dies out no one will care and all history will be forgotten... "
reality sucks. But it those fairy tales make you feel cuddly inside go for it.
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
@1EpicLulz
Reality sucks huh? So you have that evidence that would make it reality?
Because I've proven that your claim that evolution is evidence... is stupid.
dex1391 10 months ago
@1EpicLulz Reality doesn’t have to suck. We all assign our own meaning to life. There is no absolute answer but we create individual ones (watch?v=mXjyThnpHLE)
NightHawkBomber001 10 months ago
@dex1391
"How am I wrong?"
You believe in imaginary people ...lmao
Now go back to Wyoming with with the rest of the yokels. I don't want to breeding your stupidity into my home state. Oh and tell your imaginary friends Santa,God, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and the rest of the gang i said hi.....lmao
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
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@dex1391
"I'm in no way being foolish. Just factual... "
yet he believes in god....lmao
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
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"I'm in no way being foolish. Just factual..."
yet you believe in a invisible man floating in the sky lawl.....
1EpicLulz 10 months ago
there is no meaning of life
pandaSmore 1 year ago
Can I treat you like a `meat computer`? I mean can I treat you like you are just an evolved animal? like you have no soul?
bradmorris67 1 year ago
@bradmorris67
"can I treat you like you are just an evolved animal?"
And how exactly would you that treatment be? What exactly changes from whatever treatment you would have done otherwise?
Hopeful71 1 year ago
@bradmorris67
i would be glad if you did, since i don't have a soul and neither do you...
Zuurkool1 1 year ago
@bradmorris67 sure, what would that entail?
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@steve4ha Being a non-believer , you can not be tortured for eternal. Bcos even if you suppose there is a god , the god of such a great existence can not be such a timid to punish you on what you eat, what you believe. The whole earth is not even equal to a drop in a ocean as compare to currently known universe.
naseemikhan 1 year ago
@naseemikhan What kind of supposed God is that you are describing here?
EPR89 1 year ago
life has no meaning, we have no meaning. meaning is a contrived concept to life, wether you choose to live or die depends entirely on your own moral and obligations to your world and family.
wizzzer1337 1 year ago 9
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lnG0dWeThrust 1 year ago
Matt will never quit the show, NEVER! *sobs in a corner*
Jostedalsosten 1 year ago
The meaning of Life. Life, is a fountain.
FlaminglyGayCanadian 1 year ago
@FlaminglyGayCanadian Lies! Life is a swimming pool! :D
DirectInjected 1 year ago
@DirectInjected Filled with chocolate pudding!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
"in the beginning there was nothing"....um...define nothing? Cause even in nothing there is something.^.^
culacula14 1 year ago
The rape is temporary, unless you're a none believer, then the pain has only begun >:D *mwahahahahaha!!*
Chibithy 1 year ago
@Chibithy I would rather be tortured forever rather than extinguish like a candle after a few decades.
steve4ha 1 year ago
@steve4ha Interesting, why would someone prefer never ending torture over the peacefulness of death? It's not like you will be saved after a 1,000,000 years of mutilation in a lava pit, so why live forever? I for one would like to live out my life and just die off (hopefully in peace) like all the other animals.
Chibithy 1 year ago
@Chibithy Well, yeah.. I expect to die. I was saying being a "non believer" is fine for me, if I'm wrong I accept eternal torture.. But if believers are wrong they basically gave up their one shot at life to memorize a book.
steve4ha 1 year ago
I've always felt that self-preservation is antithetical to the idea of of expressing faith in both a god with a master plan and an afterlife. If god controls life/death and there really is an afterlife awaiting theists, why don't they run TOWARDS tornados, rather than into storm shelters? I mean Natural disasters are god-given trips tot he afterlife, right?
"I find your lack of faith disturbing" - Darth Vader.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
If nothing exists, why do the atheists make a big deal about nothing ... what a waste of time ...
milan319 1 year ago
@milan319
...?
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@milan319 There is no such thing as nothing.
SecundiniusSineDei 1 year ago
@SecundiniusSineDei The trick is pretending that nothing were somehow a thing about which we could actually discuss.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@milan319
That comment was really fucked up, so many possible meanings
ArgumaticShutgun 1 year ago
@milan319 Atheists don't make a big deal about nothing. Theists do. Atheists merely point this out, and theists fail to grasp it.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@EntinludeX The best argument they have is the "everything from nothing" argument, which isn't our belief, but rather, theirs.
SecundiniusSineDei 1 year ago
@SecundiniusSineDei Exactly. They use words almost on inference alone, with no clue as to their meaning. Instead they has hope that magic does real. They don't understand the moral of The Emperors New Clothes and that magic doesn't real.
It's like trying to tell a battered housewife that she's in an abusive relationship. Applied learned helplessness and mythological battered housewife syndrome.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@EntinludeX Really? Theists make a deal about something, namely a god of some sort, atheists believe in nothing and still promote the belief in nothing. Why make a big deal of a literal nothing? For Theists, a god is substantial but "nothing" being substantial as in the case of atheists is really a waste of time. Go spend time on something more worthwhile, like fishing for instance rather than promoting belief in nothing
milan319 1 year ago
@milan319 "Atheists believe in nothing" - WRONG. Atheists just don't beleive in mythical deities. The universe is full of things to believe in, just not fairygodparents. You are fractally wrong.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@EntinludeX A rehashing the old Dawkins argument about ferries and spaghetti. So if atheists believe in something why don't they never promote this belief and spend their time on trying to convert the Theists. Start promoting your beliefs and not being only anti-theists, that's a poor approach. BTW what's wrong with fractal? ;-) Gone fishing...
milan319 1 year ago
@milan319 Nonsense. The fact that deities are mythical hasn't anything to do with Dawkins and everything to do with there being no evidence for them. Atheism isn't a belief system, fool. It's merely a response to the claim of theism who's evidence is not given. Science, philosophy, art: these are all thing believed in. Clearly, you're clearly being foolish or just can't sort the difference a between belief and a disbelief.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@EntinludeX Clearly when one speaks of belief in a debate between theism and atheism, the term belief implies belief in deities or a non-such-thing. At hand here is not belief of philosophy, art, etc. which theists and atheists can believe. So bashing theists implies getting them to believe into the lack of an existing something - meaning nothing.
milan319 1 year ago
@milan319 Nonsense. Again claiming atheism is merely a "belief in the lack of an existing something" is trying to a false double negative. It's a failure on your part to grasp doubt in a single concept. The belief in god, isn't a belief in "everything", so obviously other things exist to believe in.
What you're saying is essentially no different than claiming that to eat Swiss cheese, is to eat holes. You're totally missing the point because you're ignoring, willfully, the cheese itself.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@EntinludeX No I think you fail to grasp the point of my original comment, which was tongue in cheek and meant to be a bit of a pun. Meanwhile you make a big deal about it. Frankly I couldn't care less since there are more pertinent debates that have more value than a circular argument about the existence of god or not ... waste of time... now time to go fishing...
milan319 1 year ago
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@milan319 Oh, so your point is that you have no point. You're ridiculous.
EntinludeX 1 year ago
@milan319 Saying a atheist has a belief, and that belief is nothing is illogical.
Do you believe in Santa? Or do you believe that in Santa's place is 'nothing'. Would you call your non belief in Santa a belief?
I doubt it. Same applies to god.
markgg1 1 year ago
@milan319 When I see aeroplanes smashing into buildings killing 3000 people and grainy videos of men stoning young womens heads in whilst a huge crowd of men laugh and jeer makes peoples religious beliefs a massive deal as their beliefs about the cosmos directly links to this behaviour.
I care about how these beliefs lead to immorality and violence against humans. I have made a value judgement that humans are important, and therefore anything that harms people must be criticised.
markgg1 1 year ago
these guys don't really make any sense to me at all. a bit like the bald one's beard.
daddypriam 1 year ago
but we are meat computers.
thesparitan 1 year ago
The Atheist video is right on.
ray38montreal 1 year ago
FFreeThinker good upload.
NWOSupporter2012 1 year ago
Reminds me of heavens gate... They suicided up to the mothership, and the Heavens Gate religion is finally dead.
sickofgod69 1 year ago
"there is this god thing, which created your soul thing; stuck it in this meat sack machine for a period of x number of years...to be judged whether or not it deserves to be in the next phase of existense."
"if you really believed that was the case...you should kill yourself"
quote for quote 3:47
WamjamJeff 2 years ago
religious people think that there is something that is more than what we have now... we do not... this is the only reality and you have to live now, before you die
XceptionalSight 2 years ago
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these guys lost the true meaning of life long ago the call them self bio logical machines
..sad, is this a real job?
xXshirenuXx 2 years ago
Dude! You know the true meaning of life??
SHARE THE WISDOM!
JulianCallens 2 years ago
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What a couple idiots
Everett5428 2 years ago
That may be, but the words they are saying are essentially true wherever it is they got them. Obviously not from their own minds since you say they are idiots.
kausidya 2 years ago
how do you know they speak the truth? Do you know what the truth is?
Everett5428 2 years ago
I don't think they are trying to convince anyone of the "truth". They are simply going where the current and best reality based evidence leads.
If you are looking for "truth", go study some philosophy or your ancient holy book or whatever and decide what your own "truths" are for yourself. But after you do so, don't make the mistake of assuming your truths are other peoples truths and certainly don't try to present them as facts. Facts come from reality, not "truth".
stimpson65 2 years ago 9
Extremely well said, Stimpson65, lovely comment, shame someone gave you a thumbs down, to my thumbs up is not really showing
mhrby1985 2 years ago 2
@stimpson65 Far from the truth, now yh, I agree if you dogmatically assume your holy book is true, that you shouldn't share it as fact, yes, you are correct. But philosophy's truth are not to be ignored and they are a source of fact, many a times, specially in a field I love, theoretical physics, the mathematically derived formulas from thought experiments are a source of fact and were once an idea before discovered to be fact, like the prediction of anti-particles from Paul Dirac's formula.
Jessewb 9 months ago
this video has 666 ratings, lmao
LeadfootGT3 2 years ago
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lycurgusthelawgiver 2 years ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 42
@ArrogantAtheist
Hence the name ^^
firingmahlazar 1 year ago
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then you should kill yourself. xD
wannabeair007 2 years ago
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ok so from what i get told
God made the universe?
he made us how we are today?
he is here now was before now and always will be here?
god made everything how it is to today and designed it all ?
There is a GOD!!... its called Time its self :)
Gellvos 2 years ago
if you really belive that why watch this video?
gladehorror 2 years ago
what? that all god really is is time? that over time a hand full of humans have made him up? and why not watch the videos? i find them interesting lol
Gellvos 2 years ago
sorry man i misread you comment
gladehorror 2 years ago
yeah i think most people did lol
Gellvos 2 years ago
but time varies due to gravity and acceleration (which are basically the same thing), and the bible says god is constant So...... How do you explain that?
TallKing 2 years ago
there are thousands of bibles and all wrote by man everything in there i find to be false there for i think its all stupid
Gellvos 2 years ago
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So basically we christians have everything the atheist has plus a lot more.
Ilovefoxnews 2 years ago
lol fail
pozzar 2 years ago 4
lol your an idiot.
Ilovefoxnews 2 years ago
"...plus a lot more."
You mean besides a mind full of delusions and superstitions?
If so, then you Christians have nothing we atheists want.
siefertma 2 years ago 30
no you think you have more, you just put a label on ordinary situations to add false meaning. to take away people sense of self achievement and replace it wit god. a play on peoples hopes and fears to control ignorant people. it makes dumb people feel smarter than they really are not and at the same time make them mentally lazy. and it give people the sense that they are alway right along as you add god in something it cant be challenged. you have let yourself become manipulated. u=brainwashed
mykoal5 2 years ago
I'm Mormon. I was wondering if everyone's reincarnated to recover from sins or go to hell, then the way I see it is this. The only things in heaven must be abortions. Laugh or don't, I'm so lost.
jeffbme 2 years ago
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The reason why you would say something like that is because you don't understand Jesus Christ. Please read the Bible and pray to the real Jesus, the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE and repent your sins and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
beshxo 2 years ago
And I presume that you yourself understand Jesus? XD
Burori1 2 years ago
Better than you, yes =]
beshxo 2 years ago
your just so stupid just stupid! But its fine you'll grow up someday.
Theronguardaaah 2 years ago
typical! believe what i do wit out proof or else! what makes your religion right and others wrong? its thousands of religions in the world all wit 0 evidents to support them yet you probably never considered other religion wit out bias. they all cant be right but they can all be wrong. i bet you just believe cus someone told you to unquestioned. basic brainwashin. get them when they are young and stupid and you got them 4 life!
mykoal5 2 years ago
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What religion? I don't belong to one. I'm Christian, get it right.
beshxo 2 years ago
you being a christian make you apart of a religion. look it up if you dont believe me. its like saying subtraction is a part of mathematics. by your dumb ass statement i would say yeah youre a christian alright! lack basic critical thinkin skills. religion is all groups of people in the world who believe in a god or a higher power & worship it. christians fit in this category. so do muslims jews hindus etc. get your head out of gods ass & learn true facts. god made your brain a little stupid!
mykoal5 2 years ago 4
I think that what he means is that he isnt a part of an orthodox church
kovenantkiller 2 years ago
jeffbme: I myself used to be Mormon. I highly recommend leaving that confusing lifestyle and finding another to enter into like I did.
SummerSunshine1988 2 years ago
The individual on the left talks about how he finds our biological development "remarkable" and "amazing" but these emotional and intellectual responses are nothing but neuro-chemical reactions, no more meaningful than any other chemical process.
Using labels like "amazing" and "remarkable" implies a kind of transcendence that science sure doesn't provide.
teajay74 2 years ago
WRONG they have value to him
Insomnium2188 2 years ago
it's just his opinion.
JonO387 2 years ago
This is a classic example of smart stupidness. Regardless of philosophical naturalism an opinion is an opinion and has value to the individual. Nothing about it implies transcendence. It's a complete non-sequitur that should have been obvious to you.
waltsimons 2 years ago
I am an atheist, anything with evidence to support it is more likely to be true than something with no evidence. However, if you proved the existence of god with evidence to back it up, I'm all for the truth. But if you can't, I don't see a reason to believe in him any more than a child's imaginary friend who takes the blame for stealing from the cookie jar.
Kojitsu 2 years ago 3
100% agree there.
R3APER24 2 years ago
I am becoming convinced that it's not really about evidence with the atheist, it's about a variety of issues but not about evidence, not at all. I submit that even if you did prove God's existence to the average atheist ,he would still be unchanged in his principle character and actually it would likely make him worse because he has been proven a wrong after all. Am I wrong and if so why?
alohawg 2 years ago
alohawg:
You are looking at it all wrong. Religion is faith based. The reason it is called *faith based* is due to the *fact* that there is *no evidence*. So one is left with *only faith*.
For me, I require proof before I believe. Especially when it has to do with my life, as a whole.
I have spent years researching and looking for *any evidence*. Therefore, I am an atheist. As there is no evidence for a religious character sets, such as a *God*.
KARIN094 2 years ago
I would say it's exactly the opposite. If I was shown proof of the existence of God in a scientific frame of reference (If such a thing were possible) I would believe in a second. That's the way science works. It changes with evidence. Personal belief or faith has nothing to do with it.
oltraver 2 years ago 3
Again, if proof were possible to come up with, are you telling me that Theists would change their beliefs more readily than atheist?. I tend to think not. Reversing that 'faith' threatens their belief structures. My belief structure as a scientific atheist allows me to have a flexible 'faith' (to use the term I am accused of having), based on evidence and probability. It's COMPLETELY flexible with evidence to support it.
oltraver 2 years ago
Nice strawman.
siefertma 2 years ago
i am a catholic, but I agree with certain parts of it
I am just a present day christian, I adapt the religion to more modern traditions
triniboy1991 2 years ago
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II Timothy
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
alohawg 2 years ago
Ultimately if one insist on seeing a physical being as God in order to believe He exist then just be patient and if you are say under 50 and in good health then you have an excellent chance of seeing the proof you need. Prophecy is unfolding at a rapid pace and ironically enough the rise in atheism,chest thumping defiance,pride and self-exaltation is itself a sign of the last days the Bible speaks about.
alohawg 2 years ago
So this guys marvels at the wonderful creation that he is and then claims his creator is eons of evolution, a non intelligent force that came from nothing, brilliant.
alohawg 2 years ago
Better than coming from the fucknut in the bible.
Repoes 2 years ago 2
so your argument is that simple can't give rise to the complex?
look into rainbows.
look into beaches.
look into snowflakes.
[insert any complex purely natural phenomenon that is derived from natural laws and no conscious creator]
next time before you shoot yourself in the foot be sure it's not in your mouth.
addmoreice 2 years ago
Are you saying that nothing made everything? Or non-life can produce life? Or laws arise without a lawgiver? Or thoughts originate without a thinker? Or....
alohawg 2 years ago
ah, lovely use the word law in it's prescriptive sense instead of DESCRIPTIVE as science does.
thoughts require a thinker. sure.
nothing made everything? don't know. when we see before the plank instant we can tell you till then we know up to then and no further back. anything else is speculation.
something CAN come from nothing (which WOULD be the christian position, ex nihilio creation, "let there be" you know?).
look into hawking radiation, quantum fluctuation, and cassimir effect.
addmoreice 2 years ago
your still missing the argument though.
your saying there has to be a creator because nothing complex can come from something simple.
I'm pointing out (with evidence, the part creationists always lack) that simplicity can give rise to complexity. it's not really a hard concept.
your positing two unknowns with zero evidence to support them to explain another unknown. how does that gain you anything?
addmoreice 2 years ago
Don't recall the author of the following but always thought it was a good question, to paraphrase:
Why/how would a accidental universe with no purpose produce creatures that are obsessed with purpose? Again we know or should know non-intelligence cannot give rise to intelligence. Something comes from something or someone and nothing comes from nothing,quite logical,right and consistant with what we can observe.
alohawg 2 years ago
Thats called circular thinking, and it is a logical fallacy. It would be like me saying that a donut is round, thus, all round things are donuts.
ChairmanKiel 2 years ago 2
What are referring to specifically ChairmanKiel?
alohawg 2 years ago
Just the assumption that you made about how non intelligence doesn't have the potential to give rise to intelligence. I understand the logic of the argument, but it isn't supported by any evidence what so ever. I was just showing that the whole idea was circular.
ChairmanKiel 2 years ago
"Again we know or should know non-intelligence cannot give rise to intelligence. "
neural net circuitry can be evolved. i've evolved computer programs, control circuitry for mission critical life and death systems are evolved. tell me again how intellect is needed to design for intellect?
"...someone and nothing comes from nothing,"
cassimir effect, hawking radiation, quantum fluctuations. something from nothing. look into it.
addmoreice 2 years ago
"Well then lets not work, lets not build, lets us be animals and die from diseases and other animals. What do you think?"
Actually if we did away with science and progress this is pretty much what would happen. This is what the religious nuts want, they bash science and then turn around and use the benefits of the very thing they dislike to better their lives.
If one needs an after life to enjoy living on earth, thats just sad. No way around it, completely sad.
averylbrooks 2 years ago 3
religions know
religions know what?
what is it that religions know.
I can contemplate my own future at the same time i am hoping for more. i can hope for more at the same time i am awestruck by the joys of this life...i am not held down but set free.
homersparents 2 years ago
here,s an example there,s people that live in the highest places on earth,,their lungs are way more efficient to utilize the thin air,, THAT,S EVOLUTION IN ACTION, why can,t blind religious people see these evolutionary factual things???? things ?????
drfarenheight 2 years ago
There reason why things exists has to be because they do, which would make "nothing" a thing that we created. An area of nothing can't even exist (unless I'm wrong?)
So if nothing isn't possible and infinity is possible then meaning becomes the reason why your are yourself and not something else.
I get that, I don't know about anyone else.
Nashy119 2 years ago
It's incredible to continually see Atheists build these straw men of a theism. As if their argument for meaning is no more than a graduating of existence. This is why I can't take most Atheists seriously, it's apparent from the rating there are a lot of people who consider this impressive, I'm baffled.
shilohwillcome 2 years ago
shiloh-
Not sure if your comment was a response to the video or to someone's comment but if you think that theists do not make claims that atheists cant have any moral sense with out a skydaddy then you are sorely mistaken.
I see that nonsense said by theists almost daily while it has zero evidence to support the claim.
So, who is straw manning who?
Atheistprimate 2 years ago
Did you notice you didn't even address my claim? Did I say atheists can't have any moral sense with out a skydaddy? I do believe this, but it was not my specific concern here. Sooo, you see nonsense in theists, ok so do I, what's your point, is it that it's fine for the atheist to talk nonsense because the theist does?
"So, who is straw manning who?" Well I have been strait forward and have not attempted to straw-man Atheists.
shilohwillcome 2 years ago
Well i honestly did not see what you "claim" was other then saying atheists straw man theists and since the video is about theists saying no one can have morals with out a god i was guessing that is the topic you are addressing.
Maybe you should read the part where i clearly said that in my comment.
Atheistprimate 2 years ago
That is why suicide bombers do what they do. Islam expressly forbids suicide, but if some preacher says that you can get into heaven with all those virgins if you can take as many of the enemy as possible, well, it is much easier to make a decision to wear an explosive backpack or crash a plane into something big.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
"Live to help other people". Why?
valken666 2 years ago
Why not?
Why not make this life enjoyable to those around you and the people you love? Why not let your children grow up in a world better then your own? Why not find cures for disease and feed the starving?
Why not?
narudis 2 years ago
Yes yes, these things are reasonable. I mean these things are part of any decent real objective, but to live solely for others is unreasonable. What is the outcome? What is the objective? Living to die doesn't seem very attractive to me.
valken666 2 years ago
Who says there is an outcome or an objective. What is the outcome or objective of a dolphin being born? Or a dog or cat or deer? Deer as a species can only help there species survive. Same applies to humans but a human can help save some species from being eliminated from this planet. A human can create through science cures for infections to help someone or an animal.
Who says we are living to die? I think religious people are living to die for there god. post cont.
narudis 2 years ago
As an atheist I find great enjoyment in exploring this world and all it has to offer. Different foods, music, cultures, nature. Just knowing how the planet works and exploring nature is wonderful. The grand canyon for example is spectacular. Does knowing how the Colorado river took millions of years to form it take away from its beauty? I think it adds to it. I live to learn.
narudis 2 years ago
but do you value the religiouse aspects of DIFFERENT CULTURES as less valuable than ,say, the dance aspect.
what cultures have you found that are rich and vibrant that are not religious. do you beleive a culture is vibrant and alive if its missing a huge part. the religious aspect you have rejected in your own culture.
better learn those cultures quick because the atheist are going to take them all away purify them and give them back without any soul.
homersparents 2 years ago
Sweden. The happiest people on earth, and the most atheist country on earth. They are better off according to almost every measure of country health.
CONSIDERyou 2 years ago