wrong religion has nothing to do with criminals ok a killer kills a child and he will not be killed because god forgives please what about the victims mr governor i also dont enjoy criminals killing victims and simple as we are christians please whats next life in prison is against god to
I am a non-believer and someone who thinks the death penalty should be used HOWEVER I don't know how anyone who claims to believe the bible as inerrant CAN believe in capital punishment. "Thou shall not kill and Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek etc." Even though death is prescribed in the Bible, this is yet another way to show that human composed book to be contradictory. Why do so many "Christians" believe in the death penalty then?
@2003SCT Take another look and you will see the scripture does not contradict itself on this issue. The Bible implements capital punishment as punishment for heinous criminals. There are seven different words in Hebrew that mean kill, as we have different words in English (kill, execute, murder, suicide, abort, euthanasia), and they have different definitions. In the original manuscript of the Bible, written in Hebrew, different words are used for "murder" and "execute".
@erodpsemaj Ancient middle-easterners who found themselves impoverished volunteered themselves as slaves to the wealthy in order to survive. The pentatuech gave slaves assurance that they were not slaves permanently : "he shall be released in the year of jubilee", that they could be redeemed by family: "anyone who is near of kin to him may redeem him", and that they would be treated humanely as a hired hand: "as a hired servant shall he be with you...you shall not rule over him with rigor".
@erodpsemaj The other options were less humane. Either 1. die in the streets or 2. hire on for wages insufficient to sustain a living. Remember, shekel currency didn't exist yet.
19th century slavery, as we are accustomed to learning about with its whips and pedigrees, is not the same context.
@erodpsemaj Why sit there and wonder when you could just pick up the book and read it?
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made he man."
"Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
"And He... was called Faithful and True and in righteousness He judges.....and the rest were killed with the sword which proceded from the mouth of Him"
@44fastgun Whats your point? Is it that the bible is a contradictory collection of ramblings? Cuz "thou shall not kill" doesn't have an asterisk*. Do you know what cognitive dissonance means?
@erodpsemaj I'm looking at the New King James in Exodus 20:13 right now, and the scholars and language experts, who are much smarter than you or I, have interpretted the passage into modern English as "You shall not murder".
My point is that the Bible contradicts the ramblings of its critics who misrepresent it.
@44fastgun Oh, right, I guess I missed this passage: "and on the 8th day god said 'go forth and parse words so that you can do horrible things in my name and still feel good about it'".
@44fastgun And on the 8th day god said "go forth and parse your words so that you may kill people and still feel good about it". is there a christian word that allows you to torture and rape or just kill people?
@erodpsemaj While Moses was still on Sainai, immediately after he received the ten commandments you keep quoting from, he also received an outline of how the civil laws were to be carried out. Described among them are capital offenses punishable by death including rape and murder, Exo. 21:12, Deut. 22:25-28. The scripture commands execution for capital offenses and is to be done only within the guidelines of governing civil law.
@44fastgun Yes , I get that your book says it is cool to kill people, and also says it isn't, you didn't make a point here, your just being redundant, way to go. did god speak with proper grammar when talking with moses? ? did he use any facial expression? Cuz if he did maybe he was sarcastic about some of it too, you know-- whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people.
@erodpsemaj "Yes, I get that your book says (that) it is cool to kill people (guilty of murder), and also says (that) it isn't (ok to kill somebody outside the constraints of civil law), your (<misspelled) just being redundant (<do you mean superfluous?)....did god (<proper nouns are capitolized) speak with proper grammer (I think maybe you should be more concerned with your grammer right now, hahaha!)
@erodpsemaj "whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people."
I have never seen such a fervent plea for the compassion of serial killers and rapists from anyone other than.........well.......serial killers and rapists
@erodpsemaj I challenge you to find any scholar, Christian or non-Christian, who agrees with your assessment that capital punishment is strictly forbidden in scripture. Since I am the one "parsing" words you should be able to find tons of them. hahahaha
@44fastgun I agree with you that your book is a contradictory collection of writings from men who believed the sun rotated around the earth, and that eating lobster was an abomination. Thanks for making my point that hypocrites(religious people) like yourself use the bible to justify any horrible behavior including killing. You should be proud of yourself! You have an amazing mind. Have you looked up cognitive dissonance yet?
@erodpsemaj If I remember right, humanists like you believe that the sun and the earth and the rest of the universe together were the size of your fist, a lobster could be your great grandpa, and that killing is just a method of natural selection that is necessary to establish a dominant breeds (<Hitler would agree with you)? And you believe all this in the 21st century!
@erodpsemaj Now that you are more intensely condemning the statutes against murder as "horrible behavior", I'll pose the question again: Why are you so defensive in favor of heinous assassins who slaughter the innocent and destroy the lives of their families forever? Your humanistic approach sounds far more appalling than anything I've read in any Bible.
If "execution"and"murder" are one & the same, why are they separate words in English?
...why are they distinct in Spanish (morir, matar)?
...French? (tuer, meurtre)
...and behold, the most atheistic countries in the world: Sweden (doda, mord) and Denmark (nedskydning, mord) can distinguish the two! Why, the whole world is redundant! Only you can't distinguish them!
@44fastgun I bet this will all sound funny when your trying to convince Jesus that the Romans had the moral authority to kill him. And if he doesn't get it right away, maybe you should write down on a piece of paper "The bible is pro-death penalty", then roll it up length wise and stick it in the hole in his hand. He'l get it then, Jesus loves irony.
@erodpsemaj I didn't know Jesus stood trial for murder! From what I read, he stood trial for claiming to be king. In our system, I don't think you'll be put on death row if you run outside of your home and scream affirmations of royalty.
But thanks for bringing Jesus up. I believe he asserted that "whosoever will take up the sword shall perish by the sword". Matthew 26: 51-52 Oh, and I'm not the one who convinced him to say that! More like He convinced me.
@44fastgun bet this will all sound funny when your trying to convince Jesus that the Romans had the moral authority to kill him. And if he doesn't get it right away, maybe you should write down on a piece of paper "The bible is pro-death penalty", then roll it up length wise and stick it in the hole in his hand. He'l get it then, Jesus loves irony.
@44fastgun did god speak with proper grammar when talking with moses? ? did he use any facial expression? Cuz if he did maybe he was sarcastic about some of it too, you know-- whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people.
"gracefully clear all their hurdles..." Do you mean by cleverly evading the question multiple times? The question wasn't whether the issue is a "hard" one, or whether you read all of the transcripts of the case, but WHAT WOULD JESUS DO. The insistent dodge of this very basic question illustrates how useless the whole WWJD slogan is.
Interesting that Huckabee gets this question, even though he has a majority of company from the GOP (5)candidates on both Abortion and Death Penalty. In fact he has company from the majority of Democratic candidates on the Death Penalty issue, including Obama, Edwards, and Clinton. It appears that the stones being thrown in Huckabee's path are being thrown by RP supporters. It's ok, because Mike Huckabee seems to gracefully clear all their hurdles.
@bjpacas he a very graceful hypocrite, I'll give you that. Ya think your jesus is for the death penalty? You know, like the one he got? What does cognitive dissonance mean?
fuck the death penelty
edwardd6681 3 months ago
@edwardd6681
Learn how to spell, nigger.
supaflyjohnson 3 months ago
@edwardd6681
Fuck the murderers, lets hope the guilty fry with the death penalty.
ajbren92 1 month ago
wrong religion has nothing to do with criminals ok a killer kills a child and he will not be killed because god forgives please what about the victims mr governor i also dont enjoy criminals killing victims and simple as we are christians please whats next life in prison is against god to
jimtuyo 11 months ago
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Life in prison is an alternative to the death penalty.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
I am a non-believer and someone who thinks the death penalty should be used HOWEVER I don't know how anyone who claims to believe the bible as inerrant CAN believe in capital punishment. "Thou shall not kill and Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek etc." Even though death is prescribed in the Bible, this is yet another way to show that human composed book to be contradictory. Why do so many "Christians" believe in the death penalty then?
2003SCT 1 year ago
@2003SCT Take another look and you will see the scripture does not contradict itself on this issue. The Bible implements capital punishment as punishment for heinous criminals. There are seven different words in Hebrew that mean kill, as we have different words in English (kill, execute, murder, suicide, abort, euthanasia), and they have different definitions. In the original manuscript of the Bible, written in Hebrew, different words are used for "murder" and "execute".
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun the bible is also cool with slavery. Really good book you got there. Real good.
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj Ancient middle-easterners who found themselves impoverished volunteered themselves as slaves to the wealthy in order to survive. The pentatuech gave slaves assurance that they were not slaves permanently : "he shall be released in the year of jubilee", that they could be redeemed by family: "anyone who is near of kin to him may redeem him", and that they would be treated humanely as a hired hand: "as a hired servant shall he be with you...you shall not rule over him with rigor".
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun Again whats your point? Is it because of those passages people kept slaves and justified it by using those passages? Bravo.
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@44fastgun do you know what cognitive dissonance means?
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj No, please explain to me cognitive dissonance.
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun You should know this one, or maybe you are just ignoring that you do! lol!
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj The other options were less humane. Either 1. die in the streets or 2. hire on for wages insufficient to sustain a living. Remember, shekel currency didn't exist yet.
19th century slavery, as we are accustomed to learning about with its whips and pedigrees, is not the same context.
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun I wonder how jesus would feel about the "Death Penalty". oops.
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj Why sit there and wonder when you could just pick up the book and read it?
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God made he man."
"Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
"And He... was called Faithful and True and in righteousness He judges.....and the rest were killed with the sword which proceded from the mouth of Him"
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun Whats your point? Is it that the bible is a contradictory collection of ramblings? Cuz "thou shall not kill" doesn't have an asterisk*. Do you know what cognitive dissonance means?
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj I'm looking at the New King James in Exodus 20:13 right now, and the scholars and language experts, who are much smarter than you or I, have interpretted the passage into modern English as "You shall not murder".
My point is that the Bible contradicts the ramblings of its critics who misrepresent it.
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun Oh, right, I guess I missed this passage: "and on the 8th day god said 'go forth and parse words so that you can do horrible things in my name and still feel good about it'".
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@44fastgun And on the 8th day god said "go forth and parse your words so that you may kill people and still feel good about it". is there a christian word that allows you to torture and rape or just kill people?
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj While Moses was still on Sainai, immediately after he received the ten commandments you keep quoting from, he also received an outline of how the civil laws were to be carried out. Described among them are capital offenses punishable by death including rape and murder, Exo. 21:12, Deut. 22:25-28. The scripture commands execution for capital offenses and is to be done only within the guidelines of governing civil law.
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun Yes , I get that your book says it is cool to kill people, and also says it isn't, you didn't make a point here, your just being redundant, way to go. did god speak with proper grammar when talking with moses? ? did he use any facial expression? Cuz if he did maybe he was sarcastic about some of it too, you know-- whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people.
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj "Yes, I get that your book says (that) it is cool to kill people (guilty of murder), and also says (that) it isn't (ok to kill somebody outside the constraints of civil law), your (<misspelled) just being redundant (<do you mean superfluous?)....did god (<proper nouns are capitolized) speak with proper grammer (I think maybe you should be more concerned with your grammer right now, hahaha!)
44fastgun 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj "whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people."
I have never seen such a fervent plea for the compassion of serial killers and rapists from anyone other than.........well.......serial killers and rapists
44fastgun 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj I challenge you to find any scholar, Christian or non-Christian, who agrees with your assessment that capital punishment is strictly forbidden in scripture. Since I am the one "parsing" words you should be able to find tons of them. hahahaha
44fastgun 1 year ago
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erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@44fastgun I agree with you that your book is a contradictory collection of writings from men who believed the sun rotated around the earth, and that eating lobster was an abomination. Thanks for making my point that hypocrites(religious people) like yourself use the bible to justify any horrible behavior including killing. You should be proud of yourself! You have an amazing mind. Have you looked up cognitive dissonance yet?
Did you look up cognitive dissonance yet?
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj If I remember right, humanists like you believe that the sun and the earth and the rest of the universe together were the size of your fist, a lobster could be your great grandpa, and that killing is just a method of natural selection that is necessary to establish a dominant breeds (<Hitler would agree with you)? And you believe all this in the 21st century!
44fastgun 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj Now that you are more intensely condemning the statutes against murder as "horrible behavior", I'll pose the question again: Why are you so defensive in favor of heinous assassins who slaughter the innocent and destroy the lives of their families forever? Your humanistic approach sounds far more appalling than anything I've read in any Bible.
44fastgun 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj Cognitive dissonance - uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously.
If "execution"and"murder" are one & the same, why are they separate words in English?
...why are they distinct in Spanish (morir, matar)?
...French? (tuer, meurtre)
...and behold, the most atheistic countries in the world: Sweden (doda, mord) and Denmark (nedskydning, mord) can distinguish the two! Why, the whole world is redundant! Only you can't distinguish them!
44fastgun 1 year ago
@44fastgun I bet this will all sound funny when your trying to convince Jesus that the Romans had the moral authority to kill him. And if he doesn't get it right away, maybe you should write down on a piece of paper "The bible is pro-death penalty", then roll it up length wise and stick it in the hole in his hand. He'l get it then, Jesus loves irony.
erodpsemaj 1 year ago
@erodpsemaj I didn't know Jesus stood trial for murder! From what I read, he stood trial for claiming to be king. In our system, I don't think you'll be put on death row if you run outside of your home and scream affirmations of royalty.
But thanks for bringing Jesus up. I believe he asserted that "whosoever will take up the sword shall perish by the sword". Matthew 26: 51-52 Oh, and I'm not the one who convinced him to say that! More like He convinced me.
44fastgun 1 year ago
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@44fastgun bet this will all sound funny when your trying to convince Jesus that the Romans had the moral authority to kill him. And if he doesn't get it right away, maybe you should write down on a piece of paper "The bible is pro-death penalty", then roll it up length wise and stick it in the hole in his hand. He'l get it then, Jesus loves irony.
jimmydore 1 year ago
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@44fastgun did god speak with proper grammar when talking with moses? ? did he use any facial expression? Cuz if he did maybe he was sarcastic about some of it too, you know-- whatever you need to tell yourself so you can kill people.
jimmydore 1 year ago
"gracefully clear all their hurdles..." Do you mean by cleverly evading the question multiple times? The question wasn't whether the issue is a "hard" one, or whether you read all of the transcripts of the case, but WHAT WOULD JESUS DO. The insistent dodge of this very basic question illustrates how useless the whole WWJD slogan is.
Publius4321 2 years ago
i think the death penalty depends on what they do but at the same time ,you cant play god. so that is a very tough decision.
agent00155 2 years ago
Interesting that Huckabee gets this question, even though he has a majority of company from the GOP (5)candidates on both Abortion and Death Penalty. In fact he has company from the majority of Democratic candidates on the Death Penalty issue, including Obama, Edwards, and Clinton. It appears that the stones being thrown in Huckabee's path are being thrown by RP supporters. It's ok, because Mike Huckabee seems to gracefully clear all their hurdles.
bjpacas 4 years ago
@bjpacas he a very graceful hypocrite, I'll give you that. Ya think your jesus is for the death penalty? You know, like the one he got? What does cognitive dissonance mean?
erodpsemaj 1 year ago