I believe it's a reasonable goal to vaccinate children against HPV regardless of the reason, which is cervical cancer. What makes me angry about the idea is they have only been willing to vaccinate girls. Apparently, the vaccine for girls does not work for boys, so they need to develop one for boys? Not sure how true that is, but I think we should eradicate everything we can while we can actually defeat it. If it mutates, it might be too late when it's stronger later to do anything about it.
I have heard that gardasil only protects against 30-something percent of the HPV strains. And that the unaffected strains would multiply to fill the niche. In other words it won't do shit except line the pockets of the vaccine manufacturers who are also the ones lobbing congress to make it required. If anyone knows this to be a lie please enlighten me.
@epcdaniel What I was saying was that if only 30% of the strains are stopped the other 60% would quickly fill in the void. So in the end it would be 0% effective, but cost money and expose you to the chance of an adverse reaction. If those numbers are accurate that is.
@zacthebold It's like the flu shot. Do you want to be the only sucker that didn't take the flu shot for the common strain that season while everyone around you walks around immune to you and your illness? It's such a simple thing to do for an inch of prevention, I guess. As far as numbers, 30% and 60% is only 90%, and I don't know where you're getting your data but it seems inaccurate. ;) All I know is, retardation are coincidental causes with not direct link whatsoever..
@zacthebold I have friends that say vaccines made their daughter autistic. I wholly disagree. The onset of autism's symptoms are at the standardized age in which children get the inoculation. It's not cause and effect - it's coincidence like your cable tv going off during a rainstorm. It doesn't mean the storm caused it. Just because more than one cable tvs were offline in different places during rain storms doesn't mean any one of them were off due to the storm. No evidence.
@zacthebold I'm not badgering you - it's just a lot to explain in one box, so please accept my apology. Everything science knows about defects, both mental and physical, is that missing or mutated chromosomes during fetal development cause it. With 1 case of retardation after the HPV vaccinne, it could be an abnormality it triggered in that specific individual, which means they need to isolate the cause and not inoculate those with that genetic trait. With 1 case, good luck. ;/
@zacthebold Genetic traits you ask? Take for example the drug primaquine. There can be adverse affects when administered to people of African or Mediterranean descents. It's a genetic trait - that's just how it is. The billions of lives saved by administering primaquine for malaria justifies its use, even if some people develop hemolytic anemia from it. Isolating who is potentially affected is the proper course of action rather than restricting its use with everyone. :) Help?
@epcdaniel I never said anything about autism or retardation. An adverse reaction is when the body has an allergic reaction to the vaccine. They swell up and die sometimes. It's kind of rare, like 1 in 5000. If gardesil is worthless IN THE LONG RUN then those few died for nothing. I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm anti-shitty vaccine that doesn't do the goddamn thing it's fucking supposed to. But like I said I haven't really done any actual research on the subject, and I bet neither have you :-)
@zacthebold I had been paying attention to it more in the beginning before some of the facts and numbers you were asking about actually appeared. What I found out is it's 70% effective, being 30% ineffective. 70% is pretty good for a start and it's possible they can improve it as time goes on. Lastly, I know you didn't mention autism or retardation - I was just providing general facts as to why "anti-vaccine" parents are worried, somewhat irrationally.
@rkwatson Michele Bachmann is certainly not the most rational person or thoughtful alive. If on the off chance she is our next president, I hope she doesn't do much in the way of policy when it comes to science and health.
I also agree with Michelle B. I need an excuse why im not having sex.On the internet we can just lie but in real life we need more than that. So good on her keep fighting the good fight and keep providing us nerds with good excuses why we arent having sex. Well see you guys later im off to have some sex.
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I don't agree with the mandated vaccines. That being said, I'm not against getting vaccinated for some things. But, nowhere did I find the word slut in Bachman's statements. So, I'm guessing this is more of the feminazi drool coming out of your mouth.
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I am in favor of this vaccine, but look at what a mess feminism has made of the young women and girls in this country. Encouraging children to have sex via television, peer pressure, and propaganda has caused a huge increase in STD's. Not all of them have a vaccine. Isn't there a secular, family-centric philosophy that could be adopted that emphasizes strong relationships and avoids promoting hedonistic promisuity, and all the social and medical damage that it brings?
What bugs me, is that I can understand how so very many people won't want to or be able to think hard enough to understand this issue. They'll hear the argument you lampooned here, and it'll sound reasonable to them, intuitively true even. And these are the people that vote. >_<
And one last thing, because I just stumbled on it.
General George Washington ordered the Continental Army inoculated against smallpox in 1777, the first large scale inoculation of an army in history. Washington was supported in this effort by Dr. Benjamin Rush, a signatory to the Declaration of Independence and the chair of the Continental Congress’ Medical Department.
@middlekk HPV is NOT a common contact disease it is an STD, you know that, so why lie? As for rights, if you don't understand it, I couldn't explain it. And yes 11. is still overstated, "universal vaccination" isn't something our government could accomplish, there are other countries you know.
And yet, we've overcome smallpox, we've almost overcome polio. Measles is in our sights. As is the Guinea worm.
No one has "rights" without "responsibility". Freedom does not mean "do any damn thing I please". It's the worst argument you have. Your rights do not include endangering the health and safety of others...that's why we mandate vaccines, seat belt use, kiddie car seats and the lot. And why we prosecute parents who pray their children to death.
@middlekk wow you didn't address a single issue I raised. As for rights / responsibility, I can choose not to vaccinate my child for an STD, and to instead teach them the responsibility of safe sex. In anticipation of the rape issue, by the same logic, there are far more incidences of non-fatal gun shot wounds than rapes, why not require everyone to have bullet proof vests?
You seriously think that talking to your child about safe sex -- when we don't know if HPV can be prevented by condom use -- is an adequate response? And, it's probably fair to say that million of babies have been born less than a year after someone's parent taught them about safe sex.
No kidding, you're not vaccinating against an STD. You're vaccinating against CANCER. What part of CANCER do you not get?
Cancer that can be acquired LONG after your daughter has left your care.
Sorry, but it's one in the same - that's not conflation. There's no way to predict who gets cancer from HPV and who doesn't. The vaccine protects best when given to someone who isn't already sexually active -- and that protection lasts FAR into their sexually active years. You're gambling with your daughter's life based on a wild notion that safe sex protects against HPV, and/or that somehow her "one and only" will be uninfected. The odds are not in your favor.
@middlekk "Sorry, but it's one in the same" sorry but it's not.. HPV can cause cancer, genital warts, etc, or be completely harmless. Those are the facts according to the CDC.
And the CDC will also tell you that 100% of cervical cancers are HPV-related. 100%. With no way of determining which one your child will have -- a benign infection, genital warts, or a deadly cancer.
It's the same with measles. No way to tell which child will have a benign course (my brother) or which will die. I had mumps without consequence. I know of others who were not so lucky.
You're shooting craps with your daughter's money. It's morally reprehensible.
@middlekk No debate on cervical cancer being almost always HPV related (CDC website does not say 100%) That doesn't make HPV and cancer the same thing.. The vaccination is against HPV not cancer.
It IS the same thing, because you can't tell which person gets what outcome.
If this were a debate over a herpes vaccine, I'd be 100% with you. Herpes is common (25% of all people are infected with either Herpes-1 or -2), but it's benign. Extremely few deaths are caused by disseminated herpes -- not enough to justify a widespread vaccine program.
In THIS case, the potential harm FAR outweighs the risks -- or any notion that by preventing a virus, you're promoting sexual activity.
@middlekk Your own word here show plainly that while it is MOT the same thing you simply want people to consider it as if they were, because you think the differences are minor. I'm bowing out of this now, (hopefully for good) For clarity I have no issues with the vaccine promoting sex, (I don't think that it does) I will be vaccinating my children when they are old enough (assuming no "game changing" info comes to light by then) However I would not presume to force others to do the same..
But let's assume you're right. Your daughter never has sex until her wedding night, to a nice boy. Are you going to bet that boy is a virgin, too? Has never engaged in "heavy petting"? Hasn't had any kind of skin-to-skin contact with a girl - EVER?
5 years later, you get a phone call -- bad news. No grandkids for you. 5 years later -- phone call. Your daughter just died in her 30s of a disease you can prevent TODAY.
@middlekk This is blatant fear mongering. Sadly in defense of personal choice there are costs. I have however, never said that I wouldn't vaccinate my child, only that it should not be forced.
From Merck: GARDASIL is part of the Vaccines for Children Program, a federal program that helps to provide free vaccines to children and adolescents 18 years and younger who are either Medicaid eligible, American Indian or Alaskan Native, or uninsured, or whose health insurance does not cover shots. That's now your weakest argument.
I suppose you're against child car seats, seat belts, mandatory car insurance, speed limits and all the other things the government FORCES on you.
From Merck: GARDASIL is part of the Vaccines for Children Program, a federal program that helps to provide free vaccines to children and adolescents 18 years and younger who are either Medicaid eligible, American Indian or Alaskan Native, or uninsured, or whose health insurance does not cover shots. That's now your weakest argument.
I suppose you're against child car seats, seat belts, mandatory car insurance, speed limits and all the other things the government FORCES on you.
So, where do you draw the line in opposing legal regulation?
You have stated that you're against a hypothetical (not even a real one, mind you except for two jurisdictions) regulation that would save lives. Seat belt laws save lives. Anti-smoking legislation saves lives. Mandatory contact tracing of people with STDs saves lives. Clean air regulations saves lives. Mandatory vaccination for "common contact" illnesses saves lives.
BTW: I think fear-mongering is perfectly reasonable. You SHOULD be afraid of your daughter getting cancer.
What would you say to your daughter if she got cervical cancer and you KNEW that you could have prevented it?
How could you possibly live with yourself? Even if she didn't die -- you're still the person who could have prevented her illness but failed to act like a responsible parent. Especially if you acted in the service of some vague notion of your "rights."
And yet, we've overcome smallpox, we've almost overcome polio. Measles is in our sights. As is the Guinea worm.
No one has "rights" without "responsibility". Freedom does not mean "do any damn thing I please". It's the worst argument you have. Your rights do not include endangering the health and safety of others...that's why we mandate vaccines, seat belt use, kiddie car seats and the lot. And why we prosecute parents who pray their children to death.
I think that's why she turned down elevator dude for coffee... If she would have had Gardisil, coffee man would have been banging her all night with "Love in an Elevator" blaring in the background.
I all for vaccination, but not forced vaccination for an STD, just to go to public school. Common contact diseases? Sure, after all you can't avoid those germs easily.
1. HPV is very widespread. More than 80% of US women have acquired at least one HPV strain by age 50. You probably have it and not know it.
2. The vaccine offers protection for longer than the school years. Most HPV is acquired in the late teens to early 30s. Post public school. The vaccine offers long-term protection, not just school-years protection.
3. As of today, only Virginia and the District of Columbia require HPV vaccination.
BTW: You do know the statistics with regard to rape, right? One is 6 women will be the victim of rape or attempted rape.
The HPV vaccine will protect rape victims from getting a disease from their rapist. If that isn't one of the all-time "no brainer" decisions, I don't know what is.
I have no issues with the 3 points you raised, and I agree that vaccination would probably be best. That does not give me the right to say that people MUST be vaccinated though. As for the issue of rape, if we made all our decisions based on the effect it might have should someone be raped I doubt men would be allowed to leave their homes.. or maybe not, if women would just wear burqas... (please note sarcasm)
So, you're also against routine childhood vaccinations? Measles, mumps, rubella, polio? Because you MUST be vaccinated for those to get your kids in public schools.
Like it or not, society makes rules for civilized people. (ie, not people like Bikerbry, who has demonstrated he isn't civilized).
You can't just choose which laws you obey and which you ignore. That's anarchy.
I suspect it's the "sex" thing that gives you most pause, even though the vaccine protects for years.
@middlekk I'll simply direct you to actually read my first comment for the answer there on measles ad the like. And yes it is exactly the STD portion that makes it different, again in the first comment. As for anarchy, when did I say disobey the law? I said I didn't think there should be such a law. As for it protecting them for years after, the they can CHOOSE to get it for ta protection.
The vaccine works best before someone is exposed to HPV. For children not living alone in solitary confinement, that's about age 9-11. Waiting only increases the risk that they'll already have been exposed to HPV (either through RAPE or consensual sex). It just makes no sense to risk cancer simply because the virus is sexually transmitted.
If it's just the sex thing, just say to yourself that it protects women in their 20s and 30s from getting cancer. Virgins all.
Go the CDC web site for the real information about vaccine risks. 97% of all reactions to HPV vaccination are very minor. What's the risk? A sore arm. What's the benefit? No cancer.
Gee -- a sore arm versus cancer...which one would a parent more want to protect their daughter from?
@middlekk - Oh, so all women who don't get the shot you have a 100% chance of getting cervical cancer? Hahahahahaha Your logic is SO faulty!
Currently 24 OUT OF 1 MILLION WOMEN die from cervical cancer each year... that is a .000024% chance of dying from it. Women have a .000064% chance of getting it in the first place. Doesn't sound like an epidemic to me.
women do you know how to make a pot pie????you can talk all you want in the kitchen making me a pot pie. and i will say it only once don't burn it or no cooking ware for xmas women!!!!
BULLSHIT! Garadisil does not "save" lives. You people make me so sick! Better take away McDonalds because people are fat, or how about forcing ALL motorized vehicles from operating because their emissions are cancerous as well. FORCE everybody to submit to your will and DO NOT question what you say. - Pathetic sheep, all of you!
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
@middlekk - OK, so give me your car, truck, boat, lawn mower and anything else that burns fossil fuels... They are KNOWN carcinogens and you breathe TONS of it in every day. I won't give you a choice, I'm just going to take them from you or you go to jail. Why do you want to keep them? Do you like cancer? Why should I have to get cancer for you driving a car? Why should I have to get cancer for the bus you drive, the coal burned in the electricity you use? You are such a tool.
I'm sorry, but that's the logical fallacy of false equivalence. There's no downside risk for vaccination, no societal harm in protecting people from cancer. The cost of the vaccine is minimal -- three trips to the doctor and a few bucks for the vaccine. The health economists estimate that the vaccine is beneficial to society at about $100,000 per vaccine.
You're not comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples with moonbeams.
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
@middlekk - The truth is, this drug is being PUSHED onto people BY FORCE. It is money making scheme, plain and simple, and Isn't this the USA? Why in the fuck would you force ANYBODY to take a drug or treatment they don't want to? Do you think the government always looks out for your best interest? After all, these are the same people that gave you aspertame and sprayed Agent Orange on their troops in Vietnam, fluoridated your drinking water.
Oh, so you don't like anything being pushed by FORCE? So, I guess you're against whooping cough vaccines? Because there's an epidemic in California, kids can't go to school unless they're vaccinated.
Aspertame is harmless, fluoridation prevents cavities, and no one but troops sprayed Agent Orange on troops.
For someone who uses the benefits of science (including this exchange), you have a fairly hysterical response to the notion that science can benefit humankind.
I routinely get flu vaccines. I also get my tetanus updated every 10 years. In a few years, I'll need a pneumovax vaccine. I'm already vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, diphtheria -- as are you. I won't get the shingles vaccine because I didn't have the chicken pox as a kid (and therefore don't need it).
Vaccines work by stimulating the immune system - priming it to fight off the natural pathogen. Why do you think this is a bad idea? You must not understand medicine.
Want to drive? You need car insurance, can't drive drunk, and need to wear your seatbelt. You're being FORCED to do those things (or face tickets/financial penalties). You have to pay taxes or go to prison. Want to run a business? It has to be OSHA compliant so you don't kill your workers. Want to work in a restaurant? You have to have hepatitis A vaccination.
Rules are a part of life. In America, that's what we do -- obey the law. You're not an anti-American traitor, are you?
@middlekk you blind asshole! It's a goddamned money maker for the drug company on the shoulders of the tax payer PERIOD! Did you get your avian flu shot and H1N1 vaccine? NOBODY is going to FORCE me to take ANY vaccine I don't want.
No. Vaccines save lives. Historically speaking, vaccines have saved more lives over the past couple hundred years than any other medical intervention invented (or likely will ever be invented).
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts.
If you work in the restaurant industry, you must get a hepatitis A vaccine. If you work in healthcare, you must get a whole host of vaccines.
@middlekk - NO, ALL the vaccines you need, you already have. The latest round of vaccines are a FUCKING SCAM! Money makers for big Pharma. Are you that stupid? Is it totally impossible for you to believe that BIG Pharma pays HUGE amounts of money to these politicians to pass laws for their own benefit and to line their own pockets? Are you a fucking sheep?
What "latest round of vaccines"? Flu, pneumovax, tetanus booster. All to prevent illnesses that can kill me (or a loved one, especially in the case of the flu vaccine).
Vaccines save lives.
What have you got against someone earning money for making a life-saving product? Why is that worse than companies making money off of -- say -- cigarettes?
Are you in favor of profits for death-making products, but not life-saving products?
You seem to believe in a weird form of Socialism.
@middlekk - Free market capitalism and LIBERTY. This is MORE of the military industrial complex. How do YOU know this vaccine is life saving? Because THEY tell you it is? I NEVER get the flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 15 years. As far as FORCING your OWN selfish morality and ideals onto everybody, make your own choices and let people make THEIR own choices. It's not as if HPV is an environmental pathogen that OTHER life threatening diseases were. It's not the same.
The clinical studies say the vaccine is life-saving. I've read them - have you?
It's not just about YOU with the flu shot. If you get the flu and give it to the old lady at the supermarket, she dies. Those are the facts. You're the one being a selfish asshole.
HPV is very widespread -- more than 50% of all people have it. For most, the immune system naturally clears it. For some, the virus causes genital warts. For others, it causes cancer.
So, if you're for free market capitalism, then you MUST be in favor of companies making a profit from a vaccine.
"Liberty" doesn't mean "I get to do anything I want with no rules whatsoever." It means you get to participate in the rule-making process as a voting citizen and as a participant in our democracy. It doesn't mean that you get to ignore laws you disagree with. That's not liberty. That's anarchy.
@middlekk - Sure.. IF YOU CHOSE TO! - Pump some Windex into your body if you want for all I care. You just ARE NOT going to FORCE me to do it. If you try and stick a needle in me against my will, I'll put a bullet in your head.
@middlekk - LOL... anger? I'm not angry unless you want to force me to do something I don't want to do and that will harm me. What is wrong about protecting yourself? What is wrong with owning a gun to protect yourself. Ask a cop... his or her gun does a GREAT job of protecting him or her. Do you think "cops" have special rights?
Vaccines do not harm people -- they save lives. Do I have to spell more slowly for you? The HPV vaccine is even safer than most -- very very few adverse reactions, and virtually no serious ones. If you think otherwise, you've been lied to. Period.
You're an antisocial psychotic who apparently has no understanding of ethics, science, the law, politics, or economics. I think you should stay away from polite society.
@middlekk Go away sheep... BBBBAAAAAAA... Go live in your happy home where the government does everything for you. Believe what you are told and be a good little servant. the government would NEVER lie to you, now would they? ESPECIALLY not to line their own pockets. Go drown your troubles in a mountain of pain killers, benzos and anti-depressants. The free are evil because they make their own choices and live with the consequences of their own actions. You need to think for them, right?
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
@middlekk - Lets see... My country has a Constitution that you seem to think laws can circumvent, the supreme court has ruled that MANDATORY vaccinations were in violation of the 1st amendment because of a person's religious views AND more importantly, the 14th amendment that prohibit the states from passing laws that violate a person's right to life and liberty. You are a Nazi ass and a troll to think otherwise. But we now know you are just a troll.
Well, let's add Constitutional Law to the list of things you know nothing about. The Supreme Court ruled in the 1905 case Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the state could require individuals to be vaccinated for the common good, and reaffirmed that decision in 1922 in Zucht V King.
So, unless you're living in a different United States, you're wrong again.
You're just not very well educated on any subject, are you, Skippy?
Oh, yeah, there's also the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the Project Bioshield Act of 2004, and the Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act of 2006, all of which deal with mandatory vaccinations.
As well as The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA), which serves as a model for state legislation granting expanded police powers to state public health officials to enforce quarantine and mandatory use of vaccines during public health emergencies declared by state Governors.
@middlekk - see that is where your argument falls apart. Hep B is not Polio and Chicken Pox is NOT Small Pox. There is a HUGE difference in the public health threat between these diseases. Big Pharma would LOVE to MAKE you take every drug they sell and FORCE you to take it AND pay for it through taxes. Fuck You for promoting tyranny and oppression. Go live in Nazi Germany or North Korea. They like your kind of thinking.
Hep B is the number one cause of liver cancer. I guess you're just pro-cancer.
The shingles vaccine is given to older people who have already had chicken pox to prevent them from getting shingles -- which can be extremely painful to permanently debilitating.
Why would you WANT to have people get diseases that can be avoided, no matter how severe they are? Vaccination is simple, safe, effective.
And again, the US Supreme Court says you're wrong. Who's anti-American? Not me.
You're repeating your bad arguments. There is societal good to driving that is outweighed by the societal harm of accidents, pollution, global warming, etc.
There is no societal harm to vaccination. There is societal good to vaccination.
You really do like cancer, don't you? You must, you keep defending it.
No, I won't. Any more than I would "change my tune" if my children were in the military or were first responders (police, fire), and were injured or killed.
Yes, it would be a personal tragedy. No, that doesn't mean that society doesn't benefit as a whole. And since our way of life depends on us not being selfish assholes, I think I'll stick with societal benefit.
BTW: There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone has actually died from receiving an HPV vaccine. Out of several million people given the vaccine, there have been 32 deaths reported at some point following vaccination...all of them appear to be things like car crashes and other accidents. In short, nothing to do with the vaccine at all.
I think I'll stay on the side of benefit versus risk. The biggest risk with the HPV vaccine is a sore arm. The benefit is no cancer.
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOLO... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination (potentially dangerous) to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOL... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination (potentially dangerous) to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOL... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
BTW: What's "selfish" about wanting to prevent cancer and other deadly diseases? I just don't see it. Although preventing cancer would reduce healthcare costs in general, and maybe reduce my health insurance premiums. But you probably don't believe in health insurance, either.
@bbossin 68 deaths due to Garadisil? No, CDC does not directly assign the cause of death. It is a scary thought, but we are at risk of dying from undaignosed problems throughout our lives. Even 12-16-year-olds occationally just drop dead without any external cause.
The reporting system is in place precisely because the role of the vaccine is hard do evaluate in the individual, but it is easier to spot exess death statistically. 68 deaths within weeks of 35 mio vaccines is no need to worry.
@bbossin This is incorrect. A report to VAERS only establishes a temporal relationship, meaning 68 people shortly died after being given the vaccine. It does not mean the vaccine was the cause of death.
For example, one of those deaths was a girl who had a previously undiagnosed tumor in her chest. She collapsed and died shortly after being given the Gardasil vaccine, but she didn't die because of the vaccine. She died because she had a tumor that made her a walking time bomb.
@bbossin Any time you administer a drug to such a large number of people, some of them are going to die shortly after being given the injection. It's just a statistical inevitability. Some of those people are going to have undiagnosed aneurysms or heart problems. Some of them are going to have freak accidents. If you injected 35 million people with saline, it wouldn't be surprising is 68 of them died shortly after getting the shot.
--They only want to administer it to girls. If the point is to prevent a certain disease, then protect ALL children especially since most females who contract HPV will get it from males.
--HPV doesn't increase the chances of getting cancer as much as using birth control does.
--HPV is linked to penile cancer as well as cervical/vaginal cancer. Why are they ONLY targeting women?
--The HPV vaccine doesn't prevent cancer nor all forms of HPV.
1. Because cervical cancer is a much bigger problem than penile cancer. Penile cancer = 1200 cases a year, 300 deaths. Cervical cancer = 11,000 cases a year. 4,000 deaths.
2.The HPV vaccine prevents the forms of HPV responsible for cervical cancer -- not all forms of HPV cause cancer.
3. HPV is the major cause of cervical cancer, not OCs. It's found in 99% of biopsies.
4. The HPV vaccine was approved for use in boys by the US FDA in 2009 -- way to be 2 years out of date.
I wish the hpv vaccine were mandated here in Canada. I am now over the age limit and can't afford it anyway but my younger sisters had the opportunity to get vaccinated at school and my mom never made them. I'm guardian of my 17 year old sister now and we're going to save up to get her vaccinated. I trust her to practice safe sex but if an accident happened I want her to be protected.
I channeld your videos, and its kinda boring, sadly, i would love to chat with you, i love girls with brain.....but even sheldon cooper has more hobbies....no offend....but all your videos dont have any interesting themes :(
Ya!! Go perry!! Wait what!?!? Blech!! AHH i need a brain bath! Can't believe i said that.
Schools require dozens of vaccines and save hundreds of thousands of lives!! Why the fuss over this one?Because it can be spread sexualy?So what, you can pick it up from a toilet seat too.And even if sexualy was the ONLY way it could be spread,my daughter is 4 and she got her first Hep vaccine recently. Why? because i want her to be a whore? No! because i love her and i want her to be free of desease.
It's funny you mention the seatbelt thing, there is a principle that says that if you put a 16 inch spike on the steering wheel it could make the roads far safer. Because let's face it, who the hell is going to drive recklessly with a 16 inch spike threatening them?
Fuck that you have to also take off the doors on their cars and make sure that the leather is well conditioned so every time they turn they just slide right out. That'll teach them how to hold onto their car better, do you see a seat belts or doors on horses? No and that's the way god intended it to be and cars have horse power so we need to treat them with respect and hang on. Belts are for smacking the sense and fear of god into your kids not for cars. (I may have went a bit overboard. XD)
Hey, don't knock putting catus on steering wheels. I read somewhere that if you sharp metal rod in front of the heart of a drive on a car, car accidents will decrease significantly
It's a good vaccine and Bachman is an idiot, but don't think Perry should have put an executive order to have inoculation required for young girls to attend public school. There is an opt out allowable by parents. What does being sexually active and public school have to do with each other?
I'm all for lower taxation, but this totally pissed me off . I actually wrote a blog about it(not that anyone reads it) This argument against "mandating inoculations" is like saying the second amendment supports your right to bear anthrax laced envelopes. Also, did you hear her call the morning after pill the ABORTION PILL? WTF is wrong with her? I support abortion, but if you don't . . . guess what? Plan B is a nicer, and cheaper alternative.
When I saw today that Michelle Bachmann decided to relate an uncorroborated experience sided with misinformation to a wide audience about HPV vaccination I had initially felt she couldn't become any more of a terrible mistake for a representative. I especially like the organization that put up $11k to anyone who can provide evidence of this once-alleged vaccine retardation link.
Meaningless propagandist malarkey put atop the necessity to put modern medicine through a strainer makes us less safe
By the time the primary is over Rep. Bachmann will have completely fried out Gov. Perry's brain. It's like when your stomach eats itself -- I love it.
@Morkindie There are mandatory vaccinations in her state... she's never opposed them before. It seems like she was just trying to score some cheap points and it blew up in her face.
@jussts I am afraid that there is a huge amount of cheap points in politics. Why aren't they talking about nuclear proliferation, world poverty, human trafficking, famine, Mega corporation's influence on governments, pollution? It is just too easy to resort to things like gay marriage, and sex education, and these stupid patriotism tests.
I believe it's a reasonable goal to vaccinate children against HPV regardless of the reason, which is cervical cancer. What makes me angry about the idea is they have only been willing to vaccinate girls. Apparently, the vaccine for girls does not work for boys, so they need to develop one for boys? Not sure how true that is, but I think we should eradicate everything we can while we can actually defeat it. If it mutates, it might be too late when it's stronger later to do anything about it.
epcdaniel 1 week ago
I have heard that gardasil only protects against 30-something percent of the HPV strains. And that the unaffected strains would multiply to fill the niche. In other words it won't do shit except line the pockets of the vaccine manufacturers who are also the ones lobbing congress to make it required. If anyone knows this to be a lie please enlighten me.
zacthebold 3 weeks ago
@zacthebold If I have the chance to prevent something - even 30%, I think I'll accept those odds, rather than go on with 0% effectiveness.
epcdaniel 1 week ago
@epcdaniel What I was saying was that if only 30% of the strains are stopped the other 60% would quickly fill in the void. So in the end it would be 0% effective, but cost money and expose you to the chance of an adverse reaction. If those numbers are accurate that is.
zacthebold 1 week ago
@zacthebold It's like the flu shot. Do you want to be the only sucker that didn't take the flu shot for the common strain that season while everyone around you walks around immune to you and your illness? It's such a simple thing to do for an inch of prevention, I guess. As far as numbers, 30% and 60% is only 90%, and I don't know where you're getting your data but it seems inaccurate. ;) All I know is, retardation are coincidental causes with not direct link whatsoever..
epcdaniel 1 week ago
@zacthebold I have friends that say vaccines made their daughter autistic. I wholly disagree. The onset of autism's symptoms are at the standardized age in which children get the inoculation. It's not cause and effect - it's coincidence like your cable tv going off during a rainstorm. It doesn't mean the storm caused it. Just because more than one cable tvs were offline in different places during rain storms doesn't mean any one of them were off due to the storm. No evidence.
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@zacthebold I'm not badgering you - it's just a lot to explain in one box, so please accept my apology. Everything science knows about defects, both mental and physical, is that missing or mutated chromosomes during fetal development cause it. With 1 case of retardation after the HPV vaccinne, it could be an abnormality it triggered in that specific individual, which means they need to isolate the cause and not inoculate those with that genetic trait. With 1 case, good luck. ;/
epcdaniel 1 week ago
@zacthebold Genetic traits you ask? Take for example the drug primaquine. There can be adverse affects when administered to people of African or Mediterranean descents. It's a genetic trait - that's just how it is. The billions of lives saved by administering primaquine for malaria justifies its use, even if some people develop hemolytic anemia from it. Isolating who is potentially affected is the proper course of action rather than restricting its use with everyone. :) Help?
epcdaniel 1 week ago
@epcdaniel I never said anything about autism or retardation. An adverse reaction is when the body has an allergic reaction to the vaccine. They swell up and die sometimes. It's kind of rare, like 1 in 5000. If gardesil is worthless IN THE LONG RUN then those few died for nothing. I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm anti-shitty vaccine that doesn't do the goddamn thing it's fucking supposed to. But like I said I haven't really done any actual research on the subject, and I bet neither have you :-)
zacthebold 1 week ago
@zacthebold I had been paying attention to it more in the beginning before some of the facts and numbers you were asking about actually appeared. What I found out is it's 70% effective, being 30% ineffective. 70% is pretty good for a start and it's possible they can improve it as time goes on. Lastly, I know you didn't mention autism or retardation - I was just providing general facts as to why "anti-vaccine" parents are worried, somewhat irrationally.
epcdaniel 1 week ago
lol I lov ur sarcasm :)
cruelbusiness1984 4 weeks ago
Well, at least Michelle Bachmann is out of the race now.
Arfalarf 1 month ago
Your retarded
NavyUNCSPAN 2 months ago
@rkwatson Michele Bachmann is certainly not the most rational person or thoughtful alive. If on the off chance she is our next president, I hope she doesn't do much in the way of policy when it comes to science and health.
GargamelGold 3 months ago
I also agree with Michelle B. I need an excuse why im not having sex.On the internet we can just lie but in real life we need more than that. So good on her keep fighting the good fight and keep providing us nerds with good excuses why we arent having sex. Well see you guys later im off to have some sex.
mrfuzzer1 4 months ago
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I don't agree with the mandated vaccines. That being said, I'm not against getting vaccinated for some things. But, nowhere did I find the word slut in Bachman's statements. So, I'm guessing this is more of the feminazi drool coming out of your mouth.
weareallanimals 4 months ago
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I am in favor of this vaccine, but look at what a mess feminism has made of the young women and girls in this country. Encouraging children to have sex via television, peer pressure, and propaganda has caused a huge increase in STD's. Not all of them have a vaccine. Isn't there a secular, family-centric philosophy that could be adopted that emphasizes strong relationships and avoids promoting hedonistic promisuity, and all the social and medical damage that it brings?
Swiley11780 5 months ago
i can see where you are coming from Rebecca.
When i was in high-school not only we didn't have sex, but women didnt accept coffee invitations.
Cause wise women in high school, knew that coffee is a code name for ruthless anal pounding.
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What bugs me, is that I can understand how so very many people won't want to or be able to think hard enough to understand this issue. They'll hear the argument you lampooned here, and it'll sound reasonable to them, intuitively true even. And these are the people that vote. >_<
dookiecheez 5 months ago
And one last thing, because I just stumbled on it.
General George Washington ordered the Continental Army inoculated against smallpox in 1777, the first large scale inoculation of an army in history. Washington was supported in this effort by Dr. Benjamin Rush, a signatory to the Declaration of Independence and the chair of the Continental Congress’ Medical Department.
I'll stop now. Point made.
middlekk 5 months ago
8. Currently, one state and the District of Columbia mandate the HPV vaccine in pre-teen girls.
9. The US Supreme Court has said that they're fine with mandatory vaccinations.
10. In fact, kids are already required to get multiple vaccinations to enter public school.
11. We could eliminate HPV-related cancer in a single generation.
12. And you want to not vaccinate your kids ... why, exactly?
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1-7 accepted
8. More states that that have laws about marriage being one man and one woman... it means nothing
9. & 10. For common contact diseases
11. Overstated, what about kids not in public school?
12. Rights..gotta love em.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
Re:
8: This is in contrast to the uninformed opinion of someone else who stated that mandatory vaccination was "un-American.
9.&10. HPV IS a common contact disease. It's FAR more prevalent that polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps, rubella.
11. No. Not overstated. With universal vaccination, there would be no HPV, because humans are the only vector -- it's like smallpox.
12. "Rights"? The right to not protect your kid from cancer? What about responsibility?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk HPV is NOT a common contact disease it is an STD, you know that, so why lie? As for rights, if you don't understand it, I couldn't explain it. And yes 11. is still overstated, "universal vaccination" isn't something our government could accomplish, there are other countries you know.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
And yet, we've overcome smallpox, we've almost overcome polio. Measles is in our sights. As is the Guinea worm.
No one has "rights" without "responsibility". Freedom does not mean "do any damn thing I please". It's the worst argument you have. Your rights do not include endangering the health and safety of others...that's why we mandate vaccines, seat belt use, kiddie car seats and the lot. And why we prosecute parents who pray their children to death.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk wow you didn't address a single issue I raised. As for rights / responsibility, I can choose not to vaccinate my child for an STD, and to instead teach them the responsibility of safe sex. In anticipation of the rape issue, by the same logic, there are far more incidences of non-fatal gun shot wounds than rapes, why not require everyone to have bullet proof vests?
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
You seriously think that talking to your child about safe sex -- when we don't know if HPV can be prevented by condom use -- is an adequate response? And, it's probably fair to say that million of babies have been born less than a year after someone's parent taught them about safe sex.
No kidding, you're not vaccinating against an STD. You're vaccinating against CANCER. What part of CANCER do you not get?
Cancer that can be acquired LONG after your daughter has left your care.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk you would be vaccinating against an STD that MAY cause cancer in some cases.. lets not conflate the two.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
Sorry, but it's one in the same - that's not conflation. There's no way to predict who gets cancer from HPV and who doesn't. The vaccine protects best when given to someone who isn't already sexually active -- and that protection lasts FAR into their sexually active years. You're gambling with your daughter's life based on a wild notion that safe sex protects against HPV, and/or that somehow her "one and only" will be uninfected. The odds are not in your favor.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk "Sorry, but it's one in the same" sorry but it's not.. HPV can cause cancer, genital warts, etc, or be completely harmless. Those are the facts according to the CDC.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
And the CDC will also tell you that 100% of cervical cancers are HPV-related. 100%. With no way of determining which one your child will have -- a benign infection, genital warts, or a deadly cancer.
It's the same with measles. No way to tell which child will have a benign course (my brother) or which will die. I had mumps without consequence. I know of others who were not so lucky.
You're shooting craps with your daughter's money. It's morally reprehensible.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk No debate on cervical cancer being almost always HPV related (CDC website does not say 100%) That doesn't make HPV and cancer the same thing.. The vaccination is against HPV not cancer.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
It IS the same thing, because you can't tell which person gets what outcome.
If this were a debate over a herpes vaccine, I'd be 100% with you. Herpes is common (25% of all people are infected with either Herpes-1 or -2), but it's benign. Extremely few deaths are caused by disseminated herpes -- not enough to justify a widespread vaccine program.
In THIS case, the potential harm FAR outweighs the risks -- or any notion that by preventing a virus, you're promoting sexual activity.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk Your own word here show plainly that while it is MOT the same thing you simply want people to consider it as if they were, because you think the differences are minor. I'm bowing out of this now, (hopefully for good) For clarity I have no issues with the vaccine promoting sex, (I don't think that it does) I will be vaccinating my children when they are old enough (assuming no "game changing" info comes to light by then) However I would not presume to force others to do the same..
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
But let's assume you're right. Your daughter never has sex until her wedding night, to a nice boy. Are you going to bet that boy is a virgin, too? Has never engaged in "heavy petting"? Hasn't had any kind of skin-to-skin contact with a girl - EVER?
5 years later, you get a phone call -- bad news. No grandkids for you. 5 years later -- phone call. Your daughter just died in her 30s of a disease you can prevent TODAY.
Some choice to make to protect your "freedom".
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk This is blatant fear mongering. Sadly in defense of personal choice there are costs. I have however, never said that I wouldn't vaccinate my child, only that it should not be forced.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
From Merck: GARDASIL is part of the Vaccines for Children Program, a federal program that helps to provide free vaccines to children and adolescents 18 years and younger who are either Medicaid eligible, American Indian or Alaskan Native, or uninsured, or whose health insurance does not cover shots. That's now your weakest argument.
I suppose you're against child car seats, seat belts, mandatory car insurance, speed limits and all the other things the government FORCES on you.
middlekk 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
From Merck: GARDASIL is part of the Vaccines for Children Program, a federal program that helps to provide free vaccines to children and adolescents 18 years and younger who are either Medicaid eligible, American Indian or Alaskan Native, or uninsured, or whose health insurance does not cover shots. That's now your weakest argument.
I suppose you're against child car seats, seat belts, mandatory car insurance, speed limits and all the other things the government FORCES on you.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk Oh yes, because I oppose forced vaccination for an STD, I must oppose all legal regulation...that is your weakest argument.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
So, where do you draw the line in opposing legal regulation?
You have stated that you're against a hypothetical (not even a real one, mind you except for two jurisdictions) regulation that would save lives. Seat belt laws save lives. Anti-smoking legislation saves lives. Mandatory contact tracing of people with STDs saves lives. Clean air regulations saves lives. Mandatory vaccination for "common contact" illnesses saves lives.
Which ones are OK? Which ones not? Why?
middlekk 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
BTW: I think fear-mongering is perfectly reasonable. You SHOULD be afraid of your daughter getting cancer.
What would you say to your daughter if she got cervical cancer and you KNEW that you could have prevented it?
How could you possibly live with yourself? Even if she didn't die -- you're still the person who could have prevented her illness but failed to act like a responsible parent. Especially if you acted in the service of some vague notion of your "rights."
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And yet, we've overcome smallpox, we've almost overcome polio. Measles is in our sights. As is the Guinea worm.
No one has "rights" without "responsibility". Freedom does not mean "do any damn thing I please". It's the worst argument you have. Your rights do not include endangering the health and safety of others...that's why we mandate vaccines, seat belt use, kiddie car seats and the lot. And why we prosecute parents who pray their children to death.
middlekk 5 months ago
So, let's all review, shall we.
1. HPV is widespread, and causes cancer.
2. A vaccine can prevent HPV-related cancer.
3. The vaccine is extremely safe. Safer than, say, getting cancer.
4. Vaccinating kids before they become sexually active is the best way to assure they don't get cancer.
5. Cancer is bad.
6. Vaccinating virgins prevents cancer years and years and years later, when they become adults and no longer want to be virgins.
7. Vaccinating virgins also helps prevent rape-related cancer.
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I typed in "hot asian women". How did i get to the "repulsive feminist" section??
Szekler11 5 months ago
Hey rkwatson, Don't take this the wrong way but If I ever saw you face to face I would skin you in a single movement.
crownsedge 5 months ago
Lol, didn't know what cervix was in high school..
No wonder no one in your high school had sex.. They probably couldn't figure out HOW to do it..
JesterAzazel 5 months ago
I think that's why she turned down elevator dude for coffee... If she would have had Gardisil, coffee man would have been banging her all night with "Love in an Elevator" blaring in the background.
BikerBry 5 months ago
Although I know she was joking, I agree with everything Rebecca said. Put the fear in them early.
QuintessentialLoser 5 months ago
you're my hero.
rriverstone1 5 months ago
I all for vaccination, but not forced vaccination for an STD, just to go to public school. Common contact diseases? Sure, after all you can't avoid those germs easily.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
1. HPV is very widespread. More than 80% of US women have acquired at least one HPV strain by age 50. You probably have it and not know it.
2. The vaccine offers protection for longer than the school years. Most HPV is acquired in the late teens to early 30s. Post public school. The vaccine offers long-term protection, not just school-years protection.
3. As of today, only Virginia and the District of Columbia require HPV vaccination.
middlekk 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
BTW: You do know the statistics with regard to rape, right? One is 6 women will be the victim of rape or attempted rape.
The HPV vaccine will protect rape victims from getting a disease from their rapist. If that isn't one of the all-time "no brainer" decisions, I don't know what is.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk
I have no issues with the 3 points you raised, and I agree that vaccination would probably be best. That does not give me the right to say that people MUST be vaccinated though. As for the issue of rape, if we made all our decisions based on the effect it might have should someone be raped I doubt men would be allowed to leave their homes.. or maybe not, if women would just wear burqas... (please note sarcasm)
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
So, you're also against routine childhood vaccinations? Measles, mumps, rubella, polio? Because you MUST be vaccinated for those to get your kids in public schools.
Like it or not, society makes rules for civilized people. (ie, not people like Bikerbry, who has demonstrated he isn't civilized).
You can't just choose which laws you obey and which you ignore. That's anarchy.
I suspect it's the "sex" thing that gives you most pause, even though the vaccine protects for years.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk I'll simply direct you to actually read my first comment for the answer there on measles ad the like. And yes it is exactly the STD portion that makes it different, again in the first comment. As for anarchy, when did I say disobey the law? I said I didn't think there should be such a law. As for it protecting them for years after, the they can CHOOSE to get it for ta protection.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@TheL0wner
The vaccine works best before someone is exposed to HPV. For children not living alone in solitary confinement, that's about age 9-11. Waiting only increases the risk that they'll already have been exposed to HPV (either through RAPE or consensual sex). It just makes no sense to risk cancer simply because the virus is sexually transmitted.
If it's just the sex thing, just say to yourself that it protects women in their 20s and 30s from getting cancer. Virgins all.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk I'll just agree to disagree for the moment, thanks for the food for thought : )
TheL0wner 5 months ago
@middlekk Check out these youtube videos
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Middlek... yeah... every caring parent is willing to take these risks.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Go the CDC web site for the real information about vaccine risks. 97% of all reactions to HPV vaccination are very minor. What's the risk? A sore arm. What's the benefit? No cancer.
Gee -- a sore arm versus cancer...which one would a parent more want to protect their daughter from?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Oh, so all women who don't get the shot you have a 100% chance of getting cervical cancer? Hahahahahaha Your logic is SO faulty!
Currently 24 OUT OF 1 MILLION WOMEN die from cervical cancer each year... that is a .000024% chance of dying from it. Women have a .000064% chance of getting it in the first place. Doesn't sound like an epidemic to me.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Well, let's add epidemiology to the list of things you're clueless about.
That's the death rate per million people in the entire population. The numbers are similar for most cancers.
HPV is found in 100% of cervical cancers. You can prevent cervical cancer by vaccinating against it.
You're saying you want to kill women with cancer. Thousands of women a year. Just so your anarchist-socialist anti-American friends can cry FREEDOM.
middlekk 5 months ago
@TheL0wner - Why do people want to force vaccinations anyways? (money).
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry I'd agree that is one of the factors, probably a big one where the actual .manufacturers of the vaccine are concerned.
TheL0wner 5 months ago
Since the HPV vaccine came out I have been fucking cervices left right and centre!
TheRationalizer 5 months ago
women do you know how to make a pot pie????you can talk all you want in the kitchen making me a pot pie. and i will say it only once don't burn it or no cooking ware for xmas women!!!!
waspsoul95 5 months ago
BULLSHIT! Garadisil does not "save" lives. You people make me so sick! Better take away McDonalds because people are fat, or how about forcing ALL motorized vehicles from operating because their emissions are cancerous as well. FORCE everybody to submit to your will and DO NOT question what you say. - Pathetic sheep, all of you!
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - OK, so give me your car, truck, boat, lawn mower and anything else that burns fossil fuels... They are KNOWN carcinogens and you breathe TONS of it in every day. I won't give you a choice, I'm just going to take them from you or you go to jail. Why do you want to keep them? Do you like cancer? Why should I have to get cancer for you driving a car? Why should I have to get cancer for the bus you drive, the coal burned in the electricity you use? You are such a tool.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
I'm sorry, but that's the logical fallacy of false equivalence. There's no downside risk for vaccination, no societal harm in protecting people from cancer. The cost of the vaccine is minimal -- three trips to the doctor and a few bucks for the vaccine. The health economists estimate that the vaccine is beneficial to society at about $100,000 per vaccine.
You're not comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples with moonbeams.
Seriously, why the anger over preventing cancer?
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@BikerBry
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Why are you so angry about a vaccine that reduces the risk of cervical cancer, anal cancer, oral cancer, and oro-pharyngeal cancer? Are you saying that you approve of cancer? Why in the world would you equate preventing death from cancer with being forced to walk to work? That's nonequivalent risk-benefit.
Eat your crappy McDs if you want -- but how about you pay an extra health insurance premium so I don't get stuck subsidizing your shitty lifestyle?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - The truth is, this drug is being PUSHED onto people BY FORCE. It is money making scheme, plain and simple, and Isn't this the USA? Why in the fuck would you force ANYBODY to take a drug or treatment they don't want to? Do you think the government always looks out for your best interest? After all, these are the same people that gave you aspertame and sprayed Agent Orange on their troops in Vietnam, fluoridated your drinking water.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Oh, so you don't like anything being pushed by FORCE? So, I guess you're against whooping cough vaccines? Because there's an epidemic in California, kids can't go to school unless they're vaccinated.
Aspertame is harmless, fluoridation prevents cavities, and no one but troops sprayed Agent Orange on troops.
For someone who uses the benefits of science (including this exchange), you have a fairly hysterical response to the notion that science can benefit humankind.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - And your opinion does NOT hold any more weight than mine. Run right out and get your shot, matter of fact you can have mine.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
I routinely get flu vaccines. I also get my tetanus updated every 10 years. In a few years, I'll need a pneumovax vaccine. I'm already vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, diphtheria -- as are you. I won't get the shingles vaccine because I didn't have the chicken pox as a kid (and therefore don't need it).
Vaccines work by stimulating the immune system - priming it to fight off the natural pathogen. Why do you think this is a bad idea? You must not understand medicine.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Want to drive? You need car insurance, can't drive drunk, and need to wear your seatbelt. You're being FORCED to do those things (or face tickets/financial penalties). You have to pay taxes or go to prison. Want to run a business? It has to be OSHA compliant so you don't kill your workers. Want to work in a restaurant? You have to have hepatitis A vaccination.
Rules are a part of life. In America, that's what we do -- obey the law. You're not an anti-American traitor, are you?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk you blind asshole! It's a goddamned money maker for the drug company on the shoulders of the tax payer PERIOD! Did you get your avian flu shot and H1N1 vaccine? NOBODY is going to FORCE me to take ANY vaccine I don't want.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
No. Vaccines save lives. Historically speaking, vaccines have saved more lives over the past couple hundred years than any other medical intervention invented (or likely will ever be invented).
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts.
If you work in the restaurant industry, you must get a hepatitis A vaccine. If you work in healthcare, you must get a whole host of vaccines.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - NO, ALL the vaccines you need, you already have. The latest round of vaccines are a FUCKING SCAM! Money makers for big Pharma. Are you that stupid? Is it totally impossible for you to believe that BIG Pharma pays HUGE amounts of money to these politicians to pass laws for their own benefit and to line their own pockets? Are you a fucking sheep?
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
What "latest round of vaccines"? Flu, pneumovax, tetanus booster. All to prevent illnesses that can kill me (or a loved one, especially in the case of the flu vaccine).
Vaccines save lives.
What have you got against someone earning money for making a life-saving product? Why is that worse than companies making money off of -- say -- cigarettes?
Are you in favor of profits for death-making products, but not life-saving products?
You seem to believe in a weird form of Socialism.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Free market capitalism and LIBERTY. This is MORE of the military industrial complex. How do YOU know this vaccine is life saving? Because THEY tell you it is? I NEVER get the flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 15 years. As far as FORCING your OWN selfish morality and ideals onto everybody, make your own choices and let people make THEIR own choices. It's not as if HPV is an environmental pathogen that OTHER life threatening diseases were. It's not the same.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
The clinical studies say the vaccine is life-saving. I've read them - have you?
It's not just about YOU with the flu shot. If you get the flu and give it to the old lady at the supermarket, she dies. Those are the facts. You're the one being a selfish asshole.
HPV is very widespread -- more than 50% of all people have it. For most, the immune system naturally clears it. For some, the virus causes genital warts. For others, it causes cancer.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
So, if you're for free market capitalism, then you MUST be in favor of companies making a profit from a vaccine.
"Liberty" doesn't mean "I get to do anything I want with no rules whatsoever." It means you get to participate in the rule-making process as a voting citizen and as a participant in our democracy. It doesn't mean that you get to ignore laws you disagree with. That's not liberty. That's anarchy.
Are you an anarchist? Why do you hate America?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Sure.. IF YOU CHOSE TO! - Pump some Windex into your body if you want for all I care. You just ARE NOT going to FORCE me to do it. If you try and stick a needle in me against my will, I'll put a bullet in your head.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Wow. You are certainly angry about a suggestion that girls receive a vaccine that prevents cancer.
I hope you don't have children. I wouldn't want to be around someone as routinely abusive as you are. Especially one who claims to have a gun.
I hope you get some counseling for your anger. You appear to need it.
middlekk 5 months ago
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BikerBry 5 months ago
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@middlekk - LOL... anger? I'm not angry unless you want to force me to do something I don't want to do and that will harm me. What is wrong about protecting yourself? What is wrong with owning a gun to protect yourself. Ask a cop... his or her gun does a GREAT job of protecting him or her. Do you think "cops" have special rights?
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Vaccines do not harm people -- they save lives. Do I have to spell more slowly for you? The HPV vaccine is even safer than most -- very very few adverse reactions, and virtually no serious ones. If you think otherwise, you've been lied to. Period.
You're an antisocial psychotic who apparently has no understanding of ethics, science, the law, politics, or economics. I think you should stay away from polite society.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk Go away sheep... BBBBAAAAAAA... Go live in your happy home where the government does everything for you. Believe what you are told and be a good little servant. the government would NEVER lie to you, now would they? ESPECIALLY not to line their own pockets. Go drown your troubles in a mountain of pain killers, benzos and anti-depressants. The free are evil because they make their own choices and live with the consequences of their own actions. You need to think for them, right?
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Lets see... My country has a Constitution that you seem to think laws can circumvent, the supreme court has ruled that MANDATORY vaccinations were in violation of the 1st amendment because of a person's religious views AND more importantly, the 14th amendment that prohibit the states from passing laws that violate a person's right to life and liberty. You are a Nazi ass and a troll to think otherwise. But we now know you are just a troll.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Well, let's add Constitutional Law to the list of things you know nothing about. The Supreme Court ruled in the 1905 case Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the state could require individuals to be vaccinated for the common good, and reaffirmed that decision in 1922 in Zucht V King.
So, unless you're living in a different United States, you're wrong again.
You're just not very well educated on any subject, are you, Skippy?
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Oh, yeah, there's also the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the Project Bioshield Act of 2004, and the Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act of 2006, all of which deal with mandatory vaccinations.
As well as The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA), which serves as a model for state legislation granting expanded police powers to state public health officials to enforce quarantine and mandatory use of vaccines during public health emergencies declared by state Governors.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - see that is where your argument falls apart. Hep B is not Polio and Chicken Pox is NOT Small Pox. There is a HUGE difference in the public health threat between these diseases. Big Pharma would LOVE to MAKE you take every drug they sell and FORCE you to take it AND pay for it through taxes. Fuck You for promoting tyranny and oppression. Go live in Nazi Germany or North Korea. They like your kind of thinking.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Hep B is the number one cause of liver cancer. I guess you're just pro-cancer.
The shingles vaccine is given to older people who have already had chicken pox to prevent them from getting shingles -- which can be extremely painful to permanently debilitating.
Why would you WANT to have people get diseases that can be avoided, no matter how severe they are? Vaccination is simple, safe, effective.
And again, the US Supreme Court says you're wrong. Who's anti-American? Not me.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Stop driving... it will prevent more deaths than any vaccine.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
You're repeating your bad arguments. There is societal good to driving that is outweighed by the societal harm of accidents, pollution, global warming, etc.
There is no societal harm to vaccination. There is societal good to vaccination.
You really do like cancer, don't you? You must, you keep defending it.
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - If your own son or daughter gets sick or dies from a vaccination... you will change your tune.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
No, I won't. Any more than I would "change my tune" if my children were in the military or were first responders (police, fire), and were injured or killed.
Yes, it would be a personal tragedy. No, that doesn't mean that society doesn't benefit as a whole. And since our way of life depends on us not being selfish assholes, I think I'll stick with societal benefit.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
BTW: There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone has actually died from receiving an HPV vaccine. Out of several million people given the vaccine, there have been 32 deaths reported at some point following vaccination...all of them appear to be things like car crashes and other accidents. In short, nothing to do with the vaccine at all.
I think I'll stay on the side of benefit versus risk. The biggest risk with the HPV vaccine is a sore arm. The benefit is no cancer.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry ...
...All Bush-era legislation, for what it's worth...
middlekk 5 months ago
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@BikerBry
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
middlekk 5 months ago
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@BikerBry
No. I'm an American, voicing my opinion, which is my First Amendment right.
Did I say the government is perfect? No, I didn't. Did I say that all laws are perfect? No, I didn't. I'll even acknowledge that some in government are perfect morons (Bachmann, for example).
But one does not get to choose which laws to follow and which to ignore based on their own say-so. It's anti-American. We're a nation of laws.
You seem to think that you're above the law. Sorry, no.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
And again, you're back to "profits are bad"...which is it? Free market economy or profits are bad?
You can't even get your own arguments straight.
You didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you?
middlekk 5 months ago
@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOLO... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination (potentially dangerous) to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
middlekk 5 months ago
@BikerBry
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
middlekk 5 months ago
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@BikerBry
Theft? Who said anything about theft? There's no theft involved. It's a legal product being sold legally. You ought to be all over helping the vaccine manufacturers make a profit from a legal product.
Seriously, you didn't pass 8th grade civics, did you? You appear to not have a clue as to the difference between legal and not legal, what "free market" economy means, the rule of law, and a whole host of other things you should have learned before you stopped squeezing your pimples.
middlekk 5 months ago
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@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOL... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination (potentially dangerous) to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@middlekk - Profits? From THEFT? - LOL... nothing "free market" about FORCING people to take a vaccine they don't want to begin with and forcing the burdon onto the tax payer. You don't understand the term "free" in "Free Market"? Meaning to MAKE A CHOICE! What choice does the consumer have in a FORCED vaccination to a manufactured problem? You go stick whatever you want into your body. Leave mine the fuck alone.
BikerBry 5 months ago
@BikerBry
BTW: What's "selfish" about wanting to prevent cancer and other deadly diseases? I just don't see it. Although preventing cancer would reduce healthcare costs in general, and maybe reduce my health insurance premiums. But you probably don't believe in health insurance, either.
middlekk 5 months ago
The HPV vaccine has caused mental retardation in one person. That was Michele Bachmann and she didn't even get the vaccine.
rwstoney 5 months ago
why does this dumb bitch have an audience
alienmode 5 months ago
CDC reports 68 deaths due to Garadisil.
India and New Zealand shut down Gardasil trials due to deaths.
bbossin 5 months ago
@bbossin 68 deaths due to Garadisil? No, CDC does not directly assign the cause of death. It is a scary thought, but we are at risk of dying from undaignosed problems throughout our lives. Even 12-16-year-olds occationally just drop dead without any external cause.
The reporting system is in place precisely because the role of the vaccine is hard do evaluate in the individual, but it is easier to spot exess death statistically. 68 deaths within weeks of 35 mio vaccines is no need to worry.
vilding1 5 months ago
@bbossin This is incorrect. A report to VAERS only establishes a temporal relationship, meaning 68 people shortly died after being given the vaccine. It does not mean the vaccine was the cause of death.
For example, one of those deaths was a girl who had a previously undiagnosed tumor in her chest. She collapsed and died shortly after being given the Gardasil vaccine, but she didn't die because of the vaccine. She died because she had a tumor that made her a walking time bomb.
butchkitties 5 months ago
@bbossin Any time you administer a drug to such a large number of people, some of them are going to die shortly after being given the injection. It's just a statistical inevitability. Some of those people are going to have undiagnosed aneurysms or heart problems. Some of them are going to have freak accidents. If you injected 35 million people with saline, it wouldn't be surprising is 68 of them died shortly after getting the shot.
butchkitties 5 months ago
Fox News causes mental retardation
jwray42 5 months ago
I have several problems with the HPV vaccine.
--They only want to administer it to girls. If the point is to prevent a certain disease, then protect ALL children especially since most females who contract HPV will get it from males.
--HPV doesn't increase the chances of getting cancer as much as using birth control does.
--HPV is linked to penile cancer as well as cervical/vaginal cancer. Why are they ONLY targeting women?
--The HPV vaccine doesn't prevent cancer nor all forms of HPV.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella
-- Money and statistics
-- May be a misunderstanding of statistics. What birth control? How widly used is it?
-- Money and statistics
--Prevents many, which by proxy reduces the chance of the cancer.
reznor12 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella I agree, why not just give it to everyone?
mzcyberbat 5 months ago
@ciaochowbella
1. Because cervical cancer is a much bigger problem than penile cancer. Penile cancer = 1200 cases a year, 300 deaths. Cervical cancer = 11,000 cases a year. 4,000 deaths.
2.The HPV vaccine prevents the forms of HPV responsible for cervical cancer -- not all forms of HPV cause cancer.
3. HPV is the major cause of cervical cancer, not OCs. It's found in 99% of biopsies.
4. The HPV vaccine was approved for use in boys by the US FDA in 2009 -- way to be 2 years out of date.
middlekk 5 months ago
Michelle Bachman doesn't support the HPV vaccine, no surprise there. But Rick Perry does? Mr, "prayer will solve America's problems"? Wow!
suferable 5 months ago
Bachman sucks, but there's no need to create straw men to to try to refute her stance.
destronia123 5 months ago
I think I love you.
Heavensrun 5 months ago
I wish the hpv vaccine were mandated here in Canada. I am now over the age limit and can't afford it anyway but my younger sisters had the opportunity to get vaccinated at school and my mom never made them. I'm guardian of my 17 year old sister now and we're going to save up to get her vaccinated. I trust her to practice safe sex but if an accident happened I want her to be protected.
bittetotoro 5 months ago
I channeld your videos, and its kinda boring, sadly, i would love to chat with you, i love girls with brain.....but even sheldon cooper has more hobbies....no offend....but all your videos dont have any interesting themes :(
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WikkitJuggalo 5 months ago
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Ya!! Go perry!! Wait what!?!? Blech!! AHH i need a brain bath! Can't believe i said that.
Schools require dozens of vaccines and save hundreds of thousands of lives!! Why the fuss over this one?Because it can be spread sexualy?So what, you can pick it up from a toilet seat too.And even if sexualy was the ONLY way it could be spread,my daughter is 4 and she got her first Hep vaccine recently. Why? because i want her to be a whore? No! because i love her and i want her to be free of desease.
Felhaven 5 months ago
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Felhaven 5 months ago
It's funny you mention the seatbelt thing, there is a principle that says that if you put a 16 inch spike on the steering wheel it could make the roads far safer. Because let's face it, who the hell is going to drive recklessly with a 16 inch spike threatening them?
armondikov 5 months ago
I'm not wearing any pants.
myjizzureye 5 months ago
Do we believe that Governor Rick Perry should have forced vaccinations on young girls by executive order, however?
Madfoot713 5 months ago
I see what you did there...
guillaume228 5 months ago
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
miss watson, stiffest comedian since, well, England
wellguesswhatIthink 5 months ago
OMG u r Awesome!!!! Michele Bachmann!
OwlCityAstronomer1 5 months ago
@capricrow No that means they would actually have to do something.
omgbutts 5 months ago
w0t ?
gryzman 5 months ago
You're defending Perry here? This was obviously some sleazy deal he made with Merck to purchase tons of untested drugs and force kids to take them.
TreachMarkets 5 months ago
Fuck that you have to also take off the doors on their cars and make sure that the leather is well conditioned so every time they turn they just slide right out. That'll teach them how to hold onto their car better, do you see a seat belts or doors on horses? No and that's the way god intended it to be and cars have horse power so we need to treat them with respect and hang on. Belts are for smacking the sense and fear of god into your kids not for cars. (I may have went a bit overboard. XD)
MistressArte 5 months ago
I applaud your sarcasm!
aes53 5 months ago
Anyone who doesn't immunize his or her daughter is an irresponsible parent.
davidls11 5 months ago
If you leave school grounds, this will explode. /Ms Bitters
stuartp2006 5 months ago
Michele Bachmann causes mental retardation a total stranger came up to me crying and told me so. Ok so please don't listen to Michele Bachmann
Chloey39 5 months ago
RK... I CAN say that the hair color is different. Hope thats what you were going for.
Skavar4000 5 months ago
Hey, don't knock putting catus on steering wheels. I read somewhere that if you sharp metal rod in front of the heart of a drive on a car, car accidents will decrease significantly
jebjim7 5 months ago
Michele Bachman has uttered so many extreme statements that have nothing to do with reality. If I was a Bachman supporter I would be ashamed.
stevesusenet 5 months ago
I wonder how many youtubiots will miss the sarcasm and attack this chick.
stevesusenet 5 months ago
It's a good vaccine and Bachman is an idiot, but don't think Perry should have put an executive order to have inoculation required for young girls to attend public school. There is an opt out allowable by parents. What does being sexually active and public school have to do with each other?
Ron Paul 2012!
GreatG0dOm 5 months ago
I'm all for lower taxation, but this totally pissed me off . I actually wrote a blog about it(not that anyone reads it) This argument against "mandating inoculations" is like saying the second amendment supports your right to bear anthrax laced envelopes. Also, did you hear her call the morning after pill the ABORTION PILL? WTF is wrong with her? I support abortion, but if you don't . . . guess what? Plan B is a nicer, and cheaper alternative.
NoPinocchio 5 months ago
Well played indeed!
AmosTheTalented 5 months ago
When I saw today that Michelle Bachmann decided to relate an uncorroborated experience sided with misinformation to a wide audience about HPV vaccination I had initially felt she couldn't become any more of a terrible mistake for a representative. I especially like the organization that put up $11k to anyone who can provide evidence of this once-alleged vaccine retardation link.
Meaningless propagandist malarkey put atop the necessity to put modern medicine through a strainer makes us less safe
ThePrinceOfMillAve 5 months ago
lol you are the best Rebeca
shadowmax889 5 months ago
Very well done. I adore your dry sarcasm.
Roseybaby63 5 months ago
"When I was in high school, no one had sex."
Probably because the entire school was made from elevators?
Relativisticism 5 months ago
Nice big red
Mrkramsify 5 months ago
By the time the primary is over Rep. Bachmann will have completely fried out Gov. Perry's brain. It's like when your stomach eats itself -- I love it.
goosed1 5 months ago
Does she oppose all mandatory vaccinations for school children, or just the ones that have anything to do with sex?
Morkindie 5 months ago
@Morkindie There are mandatory vaccinations in her state... she's never opposed them before. It seems like she was just trying to score some cheap points and it blew up in her face.
jussts 5 months ago
@jussts I am afraid that there is a huge amount of cheap points in politics. Why aren't they talking about nuclear proliferation, world poverty, human trafficking, famine, Mega corporation's influence on governments, pollution? It is just too easy to resort to things like gay marriage, and sex education, and these stupid patriotism tests.
Morkindie