No coward is what muslim rag head camel jockeys do to innocent people by stabbing in the back without them knowing. Coward is blowing up a building killing innocent lives for your bullshit , coward is having your people in iraq rejoice in the day that they killed innocent people in the WTC bombing. You guys believe in having virgins when you die? Mohammed marrying a 6 year old. So whos the coward now? grow a brain.
@206streetfilms er buddy, I am Hindu. We Hindus choose to stay with God. We realize that life on earth is harsh & cruel but building an Avatar online and hoping to run away to that is not a solution. The grass is NOT greener on the other side, the far away mountain is not that smooth. There is nothing but death waiting for u "upthere"
Let us work hard, let us sacrifice, toil and make this earth a paradise. Choose Karma & Rebirth. Choose to be with God. Choose to work alongside God
A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
it's not too easy to reach the Heaven,but so easy to reach the Hell..if there is no punishment and a gift for our deeds then why we are here?for what?explain please.we have no goal except reaching the pleese of Allah the God.but it's not like this-i am going to do good so i can live in Heaven..a a ..it's not like this!because the beauty of the Heavens is due to God's existance in there...He is the only light that all people are waiting for every second.without Him we are dust!
@saliharoot Well we don't have heaven or hell - these are primitive, backward ideas. Say a child dies, she goes straight to heaven, right? But what if she lived? What if as an adult she made a terrible mistake, driving while talking on the cell phone & causes a terrible accident, innocent people are killed! She goes to hell? Better to die early? Better to not live? Life is a mistake, we should all give poison to our kids & kill them off? otherwise they risk going to hell?
@saliharoot U see God as some kind of a King, who must be pleased. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel. King says the sky is Green, u say, yes sir, the sky is green. King says go kill infedels, & ur guys rush out to kill, that's why u have terrorism.
The Hindu God is a Teacher. Never, ever get down on ur knees to God, Never Beg or Grovel. Our God says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree. Chracter is the only thing that matters. We must be worthy of God.
@saliharoot Heaven is a cheap goal - sex, food, booze - bodily pleasures. A Hindu's goal is Moksha - Enlightenment of the Mind & Heart. To be Touched by the Hand of God - it is always EARNED! Never begged or grovled for. We will earn God's grace, not by running away but by fighting for a better earth alongside God. We Hindus die, we come right back. We want to stay with God. There is much pain & suffering on this earth, while u guys run away, we choose to stay with God. We walk alongside God.
the Christian and Islamic heavens are based on real places. The Christian heaven is a variant of the Greek one, for in the Greek one heaven was located in Hades, but was "above" the rest of the after-world. Similarly, the Christian concept is Heaven Above, Earth Below Heaven, Hell Below Earth. This is identical to the Greek view of Heaven-Hades-Tartarus.
@smartwarlord Sorry we just think that Heaven & Hell are ur mythical creations. A place created by cowards to run off to away from the problems of life.
Life is full of joy but it is also full of pain & suffering. But running away has never solved any problems. Hitler didn't choose to kill himself. The world won't getter by itself. It takes the committed efforts of millions of good people willing to stay & fight. That's Karma & Rebirth.
Oh i totally agree. Since there is no Heaven or Hell in Judaism. Although we don't have Karma, we do not necessarily object to reincarnation, so long as it is understood as only human-human, not to non-sapient animals.
@smartwarlord sorry for the late, late reply. Was on vacation & am just getting back to everyone.
I don't think u have the whole picture. We are not just being reborn, nor is karma just something that happens. We have a goal & that goal is Moksha. There is a purpose to life, life is a Gift from God, it is not a mistake, an error. Moksha is hard to describe - let's say it is like being touched by the Hand of God. U know Mozart, Michalangelo? U think they have been touched by the hand of God?
@smartwarlord Unfortunately these religions have been taken over by proselytizers. I know, I am one but I pray that i never get down to their level. What they have done is in thier zeal to get converts, they have turned God into a car salesman, quick & ready to make a sale! Just get down on ur knees & beg for mercy & our nice God will transport u to his hotel hawaii in heaven where u can enjoy for eternity! yay! oh yeah, but u must convert first. This kind of propaganda appeals to small minds
@smartwarlord and to be frank, they have been successful with it.
And here Hinduism comes saying we must embrace pain & suffering. If everyone runs away to heaven, who will stay here & fight for a better earth alongside God? Thru the teachings of Karma & Rebirth - that is exactly what it is trying to teach us. I promise to stay, i am not going anywhere. I don't want to go to some retirement home, however wonderful it is, i like human life, I want more. I will stand by God.
@smartwarlord That is in a nutshell, Moksha. So, that means u have to work for it. Moksha is always EARNED! U can't beg or grovel for it, it can't be given. That is the reason for karma & rebirth.
As for being born as human - it is not upto us to decide. Each & every life can teach u something, remember we are working towards a goal -a goal of knowledge & enlightenment.
Only a dog can teach u unconditional love.Only by being born as a cow will u experience the pain u put them thru every time
@smartwarlord u eat beef. Be on the other side & see how it feels.
The whole concept tries to make u a better person, holds u responsible for ur actions. unlike christians we can't beg our way out of problems. And they don't seem to care about the victim. WE have to do right by the victim. We die without paying off debts, we have to come back & repay. That is the right thing to do.
Well, cattle and bison are not intelligent animals like pigs. Surely you can make a distinction there?
I only eat beef because my ancestors have been living on it for nearly 1.8 million years. Yours too, but around 4,000-7,000 years ago your ancestors stopped eating them.
It really makes no sense to revere an animal that is not at least intelligent.
@smartwarlord sooo, the less intelligent can be abused? So someone born with mental problems can be abused? Whether it is a cat or dog or chicken or a pig - they all feel pain the same way. the issue is not with killing them but how much pain we inflict on these poor creatures. Watch some vides on PETA on what goes in those animal factories - so much pain & suffering inflicted on defenseless creatures. Lots of stuff used to happen in the olden days, we don't do anymore.
I'm fully aware of PETA. You do realize as a Jew, I have family members who are butchers?
There is a clear distinction between animals. based both on Nature and on Religion.
Intelligence is a factor, not just pain. Plants can feel pain also, so that's no argument.
Intelligence, especially the ability to see the future, is lacking in most or all non-human animals. Thus killing them (only for food by the way) is permissible.
I only eat three animals (chicken, turkey and cows).
@smartwarlord I have family members who eat meat too, that's not the point.
Plants can feel pain? That's news to me. Can you prove it? According to science, pain was developed so that we can feel it & run away, othewise without pain, we fall asleep & a wild animal can eat us without us realiziing it. A Tree cannot run away, there is no indication to think it feels pain.
I have no problem with killing animals for food, it is the WAY we do it that is the problem
In that case then I agree. I think only kosher slaughter is ethical slaughter. It's a very quick process, and the animal has to be perfect. (able to do anything it usually does).
@smartwarlord Tell me about kosher slaugter, how is this done? Is the animal put to sleep before it is killed? I think that is the only humane way of killing an animal.
There's also a vein in particular that is hit in the process, preventing the animal from feeling any pain. (although, it's only got a few seconds before it's clinically dead)
@smartwarlord I am sorry I am not comfortable with this. There are acutally videos where the stun gun is used but fails to knock out the animal. So, they do it again & again - God! Try imagining being hit with a stun gun - are u saying u won't feel pain?
@smartwarlord Live chickens, once they are deemed not fit for consumption, are dumped into a machine with rotating cutting blades. Imagine being dumped into one of those. Live Lobsters dumped into hot, scalding water. Imagine something like that happening to u. Pigs, cows being cut apart while still alive & screaming with pain. In factory farms, livestock kept in pens where they can barely move! A life filled with pain & suffering.
@smartwarlord "Intelligence, especially the ability to see the future, is lacking in most or all non-human animals" - This is really a strange statement - what does this have to do anything with our conduct? U haven't answered my question - if a person were to be born with mental problems, we can do whatever we want? Either u lead a life based on ur principles & values or u don't. I choose to not cause pain to any living thing
Humans are in a different level of existence than regular animals. Nothing that applies to us applies to animals.
For example, I am 100% against the killing of any human, under any circumstance, including assisted suicide. I am against the consumption of any human flesh, even if you have to die in the process from starvation.
If I applied this to non-human animals, I'd die. I literally am unable to eat enough vegetables and fruit to substitute meat.
I know this may sound strange to a vegan, but I actually love chickens and turkeys, and that's why I eat them. It's a show of respect, that they did not die in vain and that they assisted the entire world in allotting me another day.
@smartwarlord "If I applied this to non-human animals, I'd die. I literally am unable to eat enough vegetables and fruit to substitute meat" - i feel the same most days. I wasn't born a vegan, our family used to eat meat. There are days when i miss it terribly. I feel conflicted most days. If atheists & science are right, i am putting myself thru pain for nothing, but man cannot live like that, either u live for what u feel is right or u don't. Hope i can continue to stick with what i am doing.
@smartwarlord "I am 100% against the killing of any human, under any circumstance, including assisted suicide" - see here we disagree. I for one don't think the human animal is special. Yes we have a brain, we can think, we are self-aware, but does that make us special? Do we have a right to say X animal can be killed, Y cannot? I think we are ALL God's creatures, no exceptions.
That's a slight difference between us, I believe G-d has anointed us and our immediate hominid ancestors to a position of guardian and steward over all life and the Planet. Also the entire Universe.
When humans begin to colonize the Universe (which will be in our lifetimes), only we will be able to bring the other animals with us, to ensure their survival.
By the way, there are many Jews who share your exact view. I'd say around 7% of Orthodox Jews are vegans.
@smartwarlord "I believe G-d has anointed us and our immediate hominid ancestors to a position of guardian and steward over all life and the Planet. Also the entire Universe" - i disagree, i think we take ourselves too seriously. We are not that important. BTW saying we are the guardians & stewards is nice but that seems to mean it gives us a licence to do whatever we want?How much killing&raping of this planet have we done? There used to be millions of bison all over America, we killed them all
We have been given dominion over the Earth, which has led to our exploitation of it by immoral thugs. Including the exploiting of oil and coal. and the destruction of G-d's beautiful Amazon.
We will repair this world when we civilize and all men are truly free and equal.
That's true with the bison, it's now stable thankfully. we won't allow that to happen again. I'm against hunting of any kind. It's not right to enter another animal's turf.
@smartwarlord "I'm against hunting of any kind" - is it because they are endangered? If they were plentiful, then would it be ok? See that's where we differ - i am against because unless the hunter is a kill shot, he may only injure the animal, which will then run away, lose the hunter & then die a slow, painful death. And yes if it has young back in teh nest or cave, they too get to die a slow, horrible death.
So much pain, so much suffering. That's why i ask u to watch some PETA videos
I'm against humans killing animals for no other reason than selfishness. No human should derive pleasure from the suffering and cruel death of an animal.
This applies ten-fold for endangered animals. As they need to be protected even more.
@smartwarlord That's true - Hunting is cruel & barbaric. Think about it Fishing also. How would u like a hook put thru ur jaw, dragged around, with blood flowing, finally gasping for air, dying in pain with loss of blood & lack of air. But oh yes, Fishing is such a nice, relaxing sport! Yes, for US! Not so relaxing for the fish. The problem here is the fish lacks vocal chords, so it can't tell us how much pain it is in & the blood is washed away by the water. We don't see our gruesome handiwork
@smartwarlord Please read some books on the factory "farming" that is going on. Wht is going on is really horrible - i can recommend some books for u if u like.
All i am saying is that as humans we have a responsibility for the caretake of this earth & as the dominant animal a responsibility to take care of the lesser animals - just as an elder brother or sister takes care of his/her younger siblings, instead we exploit them.
Hindus say we are the highest form of life, I don't see that.
@smartwarlord Yes no problem. My problem is not with eating meat, the way it is being prepared is causing untold pain to millions of creatures, that's my problem.
We may not have to go that far - i doubt stunning is pain free - i don't mean to be rude but would u use that on urself or on ur loved ones? Trouble falling asleep, just use the stun gun? I doubt it.
If they can release sleeping gas & then kill them, then it would be painless - but that still leaves how these animals are caged & fed
@smartwarlord One of the great things about Hinduism is that every one of our Gods is featured with an animal. India has 3 times the population & 1/3rd the land of the US, but while the biggest land animal left in the US is the Bison, while the wolf, eagle & the bison had to be brought back from extinction, India is host to the Elephant, Rhino, Camel, Tiger & the Lion. All large animals needing lots of space for themselves. The only reason they are alive is because India is Hindu.
No coward is what muslim rag head camel jockeys do to innocent people by stabbing in the back without them knowing. Coward is blowing up a building killing innocent lives for your bullshit , coward is having your people in iraq rejoice in the day that they killed innocent people in the WTC bombing. You guys believe in having virgins when you die? Mohammed marrying a 6 year old. So whos the coward now? grow a brain.
206streetfilms 5 months ago
@206streetfilms er buddy, I am Hindu. We Hindus choose to stay with God. We realize that life on earth is harsh & cruel but building an Avatar online and hoping to run away to that is not a solution. The grass is NOT greener on the other side, the far away mountain is not that smooth. There is nothing but death waiting for u "upthere"
Let us work hard, let us sacrifice, toil and make this earth a paradise. Choose Karma & Rebirth. Choose to be with God. Choose to work alongside God
ramaraksha01 5 months ago
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A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
QuestionForAtheists 7 months ago
it's not too easy to reach the Heaven,but so easy to reach the Hell..if there is no punishment and a gift for our deeds then why we are here?for what?explain please.we have no goal except reaching the pleese of Allah the God.but it's not like this-i am going to do good so i can live in Heaven..a a ..it's not like this!because the beauty of the Heavens is due to God's existance in there...He is the only light that all people are waiting for every second.without Him we are dust!
saliharoot 8 months ago
@saliharoot Well we don't have heaven or hell - these are primitive, backward ideas. Say a child dies, she goes straight to heaven, right? But what if she lived? What if as an adult she made a terrible mistake, driving while talking on the cell phone & causes a terrible accident, innocent people are killed! She goes to hell? Better to die early? Better to not live? Life is a mistake, we should all give poison to our kids & kill them off? otherwise they risk going to hell?
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@saliharoot U see God as some kind of a King, who must be pleased. Get down on ur knees, beg & grovel. King says the sky is Green, u say, yes sir, the sky is green. King says go kill infedels, & ur guys rush out to kill, that's why u have terrorism.
The Hindu God is a Teacher. Never, ever get down on ur knees to God, Never Beg or Grovel. Our God says the sky is Green, every Hindu MUST disagree. Chracter is the only thing that matters. We must be worthy of God.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@saliharoot Heaven is a cheap goal - sex, food, booze - bodily pleasures. A Hindu's goal is Moksha - Enlightenment of the Mind & Heart. To be Touched by the Hand of God - it is always EARNED! Never begged or grovled for. We will earn God's grace, not by running away but by fighting for a better earth alongside God. We Hindus die, we come right back. We want to stay with God. There is much pain & suffering on this earth, while u guys run away, we choose to stay with God. We walk alongside God.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
the Christian and Islamic heavens are based on real places. The Christian heaven is a variant of the Greek one, for in the Greek one heaven was located in Hades, but was "above" the rest of the after-world. Similarly, the Christian concept is Heaven Above, Earth Below Heaven, Hell Below Earth. This is identical to the Greek view of Heaven-Hades-Tartarus.
The Islamic view is based on an oasis.
smartwarlord 9 months ago
@smartwarlord Sorry we just think that Heaven & Hell are ur mythical creations. A place created by cowards to run off to away from the problems of life.
Life is full of joy but it is also full of pain & suffering. But running away has never solved any problems. Hitler didn't choose to kill himself. The world won't getter by itself. It takes the committed efforts of millions of good people willing to stay & fight. That's Karma & Rebirth.
ramaraksha01 9 months ago
@ramaraksha01
Oh i totally agree. Since there is no Heaven or Hell in Judaism. Although we don't have Karma, we do not necessarily object to reincarnation, so long as it is understood as only human-human, not to non-sapient animals.
smartwarlord 9 months ago
@smartwarlord sorry for the late, late reply. Was on vacation & am just getting back to everyone.
I don't think u have the whole picture. We are not just being reborn, nor is karma just something that happens. We have a goal & that goal is Moksha. There is a purpose to life, life is a Gift from God, it is not a mistake, an error. Moksha is hard to describe - let's say it is like being touched by the Hand of God. U know Mozart, Michalangelo? U think they have been touched by the hand of God?
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
No I don't think any Christians have been touched by G-d or empowered by His Divine Presence.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord Unfortunately these religions have been taken over by proselytizers. I know, I am one but I pray that i never get down to their level. What they have done is in thier zeal to get converts, they have turned God into a car salesman, quick & ready to make a sale! Just get down on ur knees & beg for mercy & our nice God will transport u to his hotel hawaii in heaven where u can enjoy for eternity! yay! oh yeah, but u must convert first. This kind of propaganda appeals to small minds
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
The Christian Heaven is a celestial North Korea.
Why would anyone want to live in North Korea?
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord and to be frank, they have been successful with it.
And here Hinduism comes saying we must embrace pain & suffering. If everyone runs away to heaven, who will stay here & fight for a better earth alongside God? Thru the teachings of Karma & Rebirth - that is exactly what it is trying to teach us. I promise to stay, i am not going anywhere. I don't want to go to some retirement home, however wonderful it is, i like human life, I want more. I will stand by God.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@smartwarlord That is in a nutshell, Moksha. So, that means u have to work for it. Moksha is always EARNED! U can't beg or grovel for it, it can't be given. That is the reason for karma & rebirth.
As for being born as human - it is not upto us to decide. Each & every life can teach u something, remember we are working towards a goal -a goal of knowledge & enlightenment.
Only a dog can teach u unconditional love.Only by being born as a cow will u experience the pain u put them thru every time
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@smartwarlord u eat beef. Be on the other side & see how it feels.
The whole concept tries to make u a better person, holds u responsible for ur actions. unlike christians we can't beg our way out of problems. And they don't seem to care about the victim. WE have to do right by the victim. We die without paying off debts, we have to come back & repay. That is the right thing to do.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
Well, cattle and bison are not intelligent animals like pigs. Surely you can make a distinction there?
I only eat beef because my ancestors have been living on it for nearly 1.8 million years. Yours too, but around 4,000-7,000 years ago your ancestors stopped eating them.
It really makes no sense to revere an animal that is not at least intelligent.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord sooo, the less intelligent can be abused? So someone born with mental problems can be abused? Whether it is a cat or dog or chicken or a pig - they all feel pain the same way. the issue is not with killing them but how much pain we inflict on these poor creatures. Watch some vides on PETA on what goes in those animal factories - so much pain & suffering inflicted on defenseless creatures. Lots of stuff used to happen in the olden days, we don't do anymore.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
I'm fully aware of PETA. You do realize as a Jew, I have family members who are butchers?
There is a clear distinction between animals. based both on Nature and on Religion.
Intelligence is a factor, not just pain. Plants can feel pain also, so that's no argument.
Intelligence, especially the ability to see the future, is lacking in most or all non-human animals. Thus killing them (only for food by the way) is permissible.
I only eat three animals (chicken, turkey and cows).
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord I have family members who eat meat too, that's not the point.
Plants can feel pain? That's news to me. Can you prove it? According to science, pain was developed so that we can feel it & run away, othewise without pain, we fall asleep & a wild animal can eat us without us realiziing it. A Tree cannot run away, there is no indication to think it feels pain.
I have no problem with killing animals for food, it is the WAY we do it that is the problem
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
In that case then I agree. I think only kosher slaughter is ethical slaughter. It's a very quick process, and the animal has to be perfect. (able to do anything it usually does).
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord Tell me about kosher slaugter, how is this done? Is the animal put to sleep before it is killed? I think that is the only humane way of killing an animal.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
No, no stun is used. It's simply killed quickly.
There's also a vein in particular that is hit in the process, preventing the animal from feeling any pain. (although, it's only got a few seconds before it's clinically dead)
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord I am sorry I am not comfortable with this. There are acutally videos where the stun gun is used but fails to knock out the animal. So, they do it again & again - God! Try imagining being hit with a stun gun - are u saying u won't feel pain?
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@smartwarlord Live chickens, once they are deemed not fit for consumption, are dumped into a machine with rotating cutting blades. Imagine being dumped into one of those. Live Lobsters dumped into hot, scalding water. Imagine something like that happening to u. Pigs, cows being cut apart while still alive & screaming with pain. In factory farms, livestock kept in pens where they can barely move! A life filled with pain & suffering.
All I am saying is that we can do better.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
Yeah Lobsters are forbidden to eat. I do agree with speaking out against their abuse.
Kosher slaughter ensures the animal is dead before its eatable parts are removed.
Factory farms are not allowed for kosher slaughter, the animal has to live a normal life or is disqualified.
I'm glad I've never eaten food from animals that were abused in that manner.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord "Intelligence, especially the ability to see the future, is lacking in most or all non-human animals" - This is really a strange statement - what does this have to do anything with our conduct? U haven't answered my question - if a person were to be born with mental problems, we can do whatever we want? Either u lead a life based on ur principles & values or u don't. I choose to not cause pain to any living thing
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
Humans are in a different level of existence than regular animals. Nothing that applies to us applies to animals.
For example, I am 100% against the killing of any human, under any circumstance, including assisted suicide. I am against the consumption of any human flesh, even if you have to die in the process from starvation.
If I applied this to non-human animals, I'd die. I literally am unable to eat enough vegetables and fruit to substitute meat.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord
I know this may sound strange to a vegan, but I actually love chickens and turkeys, and that's why I eat them. It's a show of respect, that they did not die in vain and that they assisted the entire world in allotting me another day.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord "If I applied this to non-human animals, I'd die. I literally am unable to eat enough vegetables and fruit to substitute meat" - i feel the same most days. I wasn't born a vegan, our family used to eat meat. There are days when i miss it terribly. I feel conflicted most days. If atheists & science are right, i am putting myself thru pain for nothing, but man cannot live like that, either u live for what u feel is right or u don't. Hope i can continue to stick with what i am doing.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
Percent-wise, the majority of atheists are vegans. Especially female atheists.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord "I am 100% against the killing of any human, under any circumstance, including assisted suicide" - see here we disagree. I for one don't think the human animal is special. Yes we have a brain, we can think, we are self-aware, but does that make us special? Do we have a right to say X animal can be killed, Y cannot? I think we are ALL God's creatures, no exceptions.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
That's a slight difference between us, I believe G-d has anointed us and our immediate hominid ancestors to a position of guardian and steward over all life and the Planet. Also the entire Universe.
When humans begin to colonize the Universe (which will be in our lifetimes), only we will be able to bring the other animals with us, to ensure their survival.
By the way, there are many Jews who share your exact view. I'd say around 7% of Orthodox Jews are vegans.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord "I believe G-d has anointed us and our immediate hominid ancestors to a position of guardian and steward over all life and the Planet. Also the entire Universe" - i disagree, i think we take ourselves too seriously. We are not that important. BTW saying we are the guardians & stewards is nice but that seems to mean it gives us a licence to do whatever we want?How much killing&raping of this planet have we done? There used to be millions of bison all over America, we killed them all
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
We have been given dominion over the Earth, which has led to our exploitation of it by immoral thugs. Including the exploiting of oil and coal. and the destruction of G-d's beautiful Amazon.
We will repair this world when we civilize and all men are truly free and equal.
That's true with the bison, it's now stable thankfully. we won't allow that to happen again. I'm against hunting of any kind. It's not right to enter another animal's turf.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord "I'm against hunting of any kind" - is it because they are endangered? If they were plentiful, then would it be ok? See that's where we differ - i am against because unless the hunter is a kill shot, he may only injure the animal, which will then run away, lose the hunter & then die a slow, painful death. And yes if it has young back in teh nest or cave, they too get to die a slow, horrible death.
So much pain, so much suffering. That's why i ask u to watch some PETA videos
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
I'm against humans killing animals for no other reason than selfishness. No human should derive pleasure from the suffering and cruel death of an animal.
This applies ten-fold for endangered animals. As they need to be protected even more.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord That's true - Hunting is cruel & barbaric. Think about it Fishing also. How would u like a hook put thru ur jaw, dragged around, with blood flowing, finally gasping for air, dying in pain with loss of blood & lack of air. But oh yes, Fishing is such a nice, relaxing sport! Yes, for US! Not so relaxing for the fish. The problem here is the fish lacks vocal chords, so it can't tell us how much pain it is in & the blood is washed away by the water. We don't see our gruesome handiwork
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@smartwarlord Please read some books on the factory "farming" that is going on. Wht is going on is really horrible - i can recommend some books for u if u like.
All i am saying is that as humans we have a responsibility for the caretake of this earth & as the dominant animal a responsibility to take care of the lesser animals - just as an elder brother or sister takes care of his/her younger siblings, instead we exploit them.
Hindus say we are the highest form of life, I don't see that.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
When in-vitro meat is available, will you eat it? I ask this of all vegans.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord Yes no problem. My problem is not with eating meat, the way it is being prepared is causing untold pain to millions of creatures, that's my problem.
We may not have to go that far - i doubt stunning is pain free - i don't mean to be rude but would u use that on urself or on ur loved ones? Trouble falling asleep, just use the stun gun? I doubt it.
If they can release sleeping gas & then kill them, then it would be painless - but that still leaves how these animals are caged & fed
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
We need to get the Africans into cities for this reason. too many animals are dying as we type just because of rural human settlements.
Africa belongs to its animals, not to humans. We are desecrating our father's homeland.
smartwarlord 8 months ago
@smartwarlord One of the great things about Hinduism is that every one of our Gods is featured with an animal. India has 3 times the population & 1/3rd the land of the US, but while the biggest land animal left in the US is the Bison, while the wolf, eagle & the bison had to be brought back from extinction, India is host to the Elephant, Rhino, Camel, Tiger & the Lion. All large animals needing lots of space for themselves. The only reason they are alive is because India is Hindu.
ramaraksha01 8 months ago
@ramaraksha01
We also had Camels and Lions. The native Americans wiped them out. So too, the Dire Wolf.
So don't blame us.
Every letter of the Hebrew alphabet (before the Ashuri script) represents an animal.
smartwarlord 8 months ago