This is playing at the most elegant, stylistic, musically informed and technically assured level. It has to be one of the definitive interpretations since Alicia de Laroccha's. Thank you!!
actually, that's just JSB giving her a fingergasm through the keys. if you watch carefully how she presses the keys, you can really feel it too, when (0:13) she plays the E with her right middle finger, her right forefinger is clearly vibrating like a dildo or something like this.
or maybe just playing this beautiful Steinway makes her wet --- as hard as I would probably be doing so.
"On one stave, for a small instrument, the man writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I imagined that I could have created, even conceived the piece, I am quite certain that the excess of excitement and earth-shattering experience would have driven me out of my mind."- Johannes Brahms.
Excellent. I am using this version as my model for learning the chacone which has been ongoing for 6 months now. Have it about 75% memorized. I just wish I could play it like this. There are some very difficult sections and Helene makes it look so effortless. She plays it better than Busoni. Just love it!
@dziady1 but please remember DZIADY that Bach himself transcribed his music and the music of other composers to new arrangements...so with that in mind, even though I absolutely adore the original and always will, I love it being transcribed or even adapted for other instruments ...also, tempo was not indicated in the original manuscript, so we are left to interpret as we see fit...I think Bach was beyond this world...Busoni was merely a showman from a romantic time...have you heard the Brahms?
@dziady1 OK DZIADY ... Busonic was bombastic...for example his ridiculous Piano Concerto. Chacun a son gout..... but... Have you heard the Brahms for left hand alone? Are there any transcriptions of this that you like at all? Just curious...
@cubanbach-None it is idiomatic to the violin and its sound &
technique that it would take another Bach to transbscribe it.It is a dance and the variations should reflect original tempo but do not.It is akin to Pavarotti
singing Nessun Dorma to the unwashed in ball parks and super market openings , all bogus. Go to original for its beauty.
@dziady1 "Chaconne" a son gout... You should know that Bach had no tempo indicated...and anyway...the Busoni's oeuvre is not worth this much of my time. So farewell.
@dziady1 Clearly you have delved deep into this 'only the theory' mentality which is not uncommon. It comes hand in hand with 'purism'. Still to me 'piano thumper' makes no sense. it is called the Pianoforte for a reason, those that know what a piano is for know this. Grimaud impresses people who like the piano and is hated by those who love the harpsichord because they cannot understand dynamics. 'Thumping' the piano is an art and a skill that is perhaps the hardest to achieve.
@dziady1 I'm going to go ahead and guess that you play an instrument only because us instrumentalists are often posed with the eternal question baroque vs. romantic. This is the exact argument that results in 'your Chopin is too sentimental'. I'm not going to argue too hard with you about that it's a difficult question, I'm just going to ask you the simple question 'wtf do we actually mean when we say "your Chopin is too sentimental"' and isn't there something tragic in saying that?
Tout simplement magnifique, c'est définitivement la version que je préfère et Hélène Grimaud en donne une interprétation fascinante, j'en a la chair de poule....
What can one say after hearing a performance like this one can only imagine the inspiration it took to write a piece like this.Love could be the closest thing i could imagine.Bach is indeed one of the IMMORTALS......
a partir de 1.40, j'ai rarement ressenti une emotion aussi intense, on ressent toute la puissance de la musique de bach c'est incroyable, jen ai la chair de poule..!! je crois qu'apres cela on peut mourir tranquille, j'aurais tellement aime voir cela en vrai...!! merci helene grimaud..!
it is a disaster when comments having nothing whatsoever to do with the video and merely repeating some absolutely contentless platitudes are shown at the top of the page as being highest rated...
Always when I listen to this piece after listening to Brahm's transcription I have a sense of insatisfaction, not because of Grimaud's superbe performance, but I guess because of Busoni's unnecesary explorations beyond Bach's piece.
The section starting at 3:35 always cracks me up. Very intense passage and amazing chord progression. There's no addition from Busoni there - that's really all what the old man JSB wrote.
@bontempo01 I always sigh when I reach that section, It's beauty as itself, I don't know... I have always felt that these sections which are arpeggiated in the chaconne are surreal; dimensions corrupt and blend themselves into a weird synesthesic new universe... when I first heard the Chaconne played by Rachel Podger I got the in my head the image of a seagull flying to heaven over a sea of threads with colours of a sunset and since then I always get the feeling of this ethereal world...
@bontempo01 ... and that section you mentioned is I don't know an overflow of light in this landscape within the shine of d major... jajajajajajajaja I got a little too romantic, sorry I needed to state that :b
Shut up people and listen to the music. We all speak with words? Why can't you people just shut up and be like Bach? Speak with pitches and no words? This piece is a perfect example of that. Saying more than could be said with words, with no words spoken.
Bravo Hélène ! C'est du grand piano, je suis bluffé; Allier en live une telle technique avec une belle sensibilité toute féminine c'est tout à l'honneur de Bach, de Busoni des femmes et de la France à la fois !!!
Wonderfull...though very personal interpretacion of this piece of J.S.Bach......I really like it, because she has an sort of what Bach mught be thinking when composing it.....JorgeLuisGoluboff
@geertdehoux Well put, definitely something to remember, so as not to begin judging people's intelligence simply by the number of abbreviations following their last name. On the note of this recording however, I found it very enjoyable, played with great mastery, obviously a very personal interpretation. World class, if only more people enjoyed this music.
Please understand my comment on this performance is very POSITIVE!
Of course, this is a great performance!
Nevertheless it seems certain people get upset with what I wrote...
Men and women are physically different.
As even our brain is different (ask a good neurologist), it is normal we have a different approach to music (which every good teacher knows by experience)!
It really can't get why it is so difficult to understand this simple fact.
1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
I guess only a pianist can judge the enormous achievement, mentally and physically, that is behind such a brilliant performance. This woman is one of the most precious creatures walking on this planet. I adore her!
@tasteism You're an ordinary person and that makes your comment a comment of sense. Let the pissed off and the frustrated self poisoned themselves with their words of hate.
@tasteism You're right and fortunately you're wrong. An artist is meant to create emotion and o Lord this is not a privilege of the pissed off and the frustrated! She makes music an art and I ain't sure you should limit her kingdom to this planet.
1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
I love very much with this video.... actually with expression and technic.... and soul of music.......I play also this pieces in the guitar. I f someone ask me , what kind of the pieces in the guitar do you like best. ......I said "Chaconne from JS Bach." You are great pianist
The darkest, loudest and most compound passages of this piece tends to sound messy in the hands of most pianoplayers, - but Helene Grimaud has managed to maintain an exemplary clarity all through the story. Praise and respect for that.
youve just reminded me to turn off the show comment option with your belligerent and obtuse comments wrapped in ostentatious musical snobbery. btw, you may want to realize its both useless and moot to try to argue which sex is intrinsically better or worse at music since music itself is inherently subjective beyond certain technical skill.
by saying "certain music sounds better by men," you have clearly implied that one sex is intrinsically better than the other in at least certain types of music. and your tone toward female musicans is condescending. that's why people are reacting negatively to your comments, geertdehoux, not because they don't understand your rant or because they are "idiots," as you have rudely said. my guess is that you are either very old or very naive.
Bendita seas eternamente por el infinito placer que me produces con la excelsa interpretación de la musica de Bach .Sublime, exquisita, alquimica intemporal. No dejes nunca de tocar esta pieza, pues la misma es mágica, un mensaje musical cifrado , con el que Bach expreso a su amada fallecida lo que en vida no pudo por las circunstancias.Dios y Bach te han elegido a ti ,Helen, para que podamos sublimrnos todos con ello. Gracias. Merci
If men had not oppressed women for so many centuries...how many more great talents would we have known threw the ages.How much more music,not just from the masculine(Bach,Mozart etc) but from the Feminine....Father Forgive us,for we know not what we did all those years, and now this woman; Helene Grimaud is a witness that you are in man and woman equally,and we men have blundered and cheated ourselves for so long by holding them back.Forgive,Forgive....
I have listened to the piano version before the violin version. I think the piano version portrays much more emotion and feelings, but that is only my personal point of view.
@liorcaspi I think they both do. I think it just depends on who's playing it. Grimaud does a fantastic job of portraying that deep emotion. Mistakes or not! :)
Well, im a violinist, and im just checking around looking for some transcriptions of this piece.. i have to say i still believe that the original solo-violin version has something i cant hear in performings like this.. however, is really usefull to listen to this versions..
You're quite right. It lacks the tension and sense of struggle you get from the original or solo violin for the simple reason that it is too easy to play on the piano. The only piano transcription that does justice to the piece is the one by Brahms for left hand only.
It would be if you stripped away all the inessentials, ie everything not in the original violin piece. I realise that the piece, as embellished, is extremely difficult; it's just that I can't stand the embellishments. But I don't mean to offend people who like the piece; maybe I'm just missing something.
Ah, now I catch your meaning, what you say is that the piano is more "suited" for this kind of music. That actually makes sense. To create this organ like quality is more difficult on the violin resulting in more "struggle".
Certainly the piano is suited to this arrangement. But the music has been arranged to make it suitable for the piano, and in my view the original spirit of the piece has been lost in the process. But then,great pianist like Michelangeli, Rubinstein and Brendel evidently appreciate it and who am I to argue with them?
It's ironic she gets so much prejudice against her because she's good looking. All the supposed piano critics then say "she's only famous because she's good looking". The thing is that we can't even see her when we play her CDs. And her Brahms sonatas are fantastic. I play a lot of Brahms, and I know, that at her best, she can be an excellent pianist
lol.. just cause someone can't play this doesn't mean every person who can string together it's notes automatically does it in a sufficient way and that since i can't play it myself i have no right to speak. This is like telling movie critics to direct their own great movies instead of criticizing the bad ones...
I really just don't get it. You don't read a movie critic's review that gives a film 1/5 stars and say "Oh, why dont you show me your movie so we can compare?" and totally dismiss their opinion, so why do these people do it when criticizing musical performances? Since I can't play this chaconne transcription, I don't know anything about musical performance? Why dont they attach videos of them playing this piece to prove to us THEY can play it, then? Their opinions shouldn't matter either.
Because they cannot play it - could they, they would be educated enough not to write such silly comments. I found out in my 70 years of life that the real great people are humble and if they critisize they do it in a gentle and constructive way.
less arm, more arm, more pedal, less pedal.....people, for crying out loud! This is just beautiful music, and definitely a wonderful performance....if you think this has a lot of pedal, listen to the Demidenko version....the "hopping" bit (around 3:40) in his version is completely blended into a cascade (and I mean a CASCADE!) of sound....sublime!...agree with another post: this represents the joy Busoni must have felt when listening to this music....
have just listened again to the Demidenko version...and I still prefer that one....I agree that it is slower, but the lines are so clear...there are crescendos that just keep going on, from pppppp to fffff....the music leaves me with a sense of exaltation and at the same time with an utter feeling of despair....sublime!!!!!...and I couldn´t care less if it is romantic or not: it is the music that counts!
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This piece can be played very differently. Far less pedal. Much softer dynamics, it is after all a violin piece. The bass should never go "boom". Most everyone plays it generally like she did, a romantic piece. Nobody enjoys string players who play Bach with excessive vibrato to hide poor intonation. She slows down the melody (briefly) during big skips but it add that "virtuoso drama" to the piece. Is it possible to play this so well that the audience might not think its a show piece?
God... if you feel this as a show piece you have no soul... Maybe Bach had to compose to eat, but that doesn´t mean his music didn´t come deep from his spirit... there´s always that kind of duality. All the harmony and depth in his music makes it feel like an ecstasy, faraway from being a show piece. Bach himself said that the purpose of any music should be the praise of god...
Actually, this is a piano piece, the original was a violin piece. This isn't Bach, but it's a bloody fantastic Romantic romp. I think the best way to think about it is as a representation of Busoni's joy at hearing Bach translated into music.
well but she plays piano not violin. you shouldn't try to sound like a violin by playing the piano and also not try sound like a piano playing the violin. i like listening to helen grimauds interpretations very much. what do you mean with show piece?
By show piece I mean lots of octaves and chord, fast scales, flash etc. but to be fair she doesn't make the octaves growl with too much pedal. I just don't know if playing this piece with a big sonority is the only choice. You can't duplicate a violin sound but the big piano sound for Bach just rubs me the wrong way and I'm no Bach purist. If I were to try this piece I'd play it as though it were a Brahms Intermezzo instead of a Liszt tone poem.
is a neurologically based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway
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having grown up with the original, violin-version just wonderig if this performance could have benefited from less pedal in some of the climatic passages - 2:30/3:30, 6:00/7:00 ....feels like the enormous romantic power ate up the triumphant nobility of the original idea ?
I played this piece years ago, back in 1999-2001. I played this piece and nothing else for 6 months. I was like a starving man drinking from the waters of life in a dry desert. This piece of music has it all for a musician. It has life, it has poetry, it has power, grace and beauty.
My first time I heard this piece, I heard Ms. Grimaud play it live in concert. I knew it was a great piece, but I had never heard of it before. It wasn't until years later that I heard it again on a recording.
Would I ask for too much if I asked you to play it for us? And don't be afraid of biting comments - even if God would play personally here, there would be nuts to criticize him.
@tasteism I haven't played it now for about 9 years. One girl friend of mine in college, only heard me play it once: and badly too. My weakness's are my trill's (I have skinny forearms that are week), and my ability to play different tempos (4 against 3)... (8 against 9 etc...)
1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
1:09 to 2:00 is really amzing....... it sounded like as if heaven is opening in front of you and god, heavily laden with divine power and omnipotence extends His arms over the sinful world and lighting those who have lived a life of saintliness and great solemn indulgence................
Well-yes, music does get better than this if you listen to some of Busoni's other transcriptions, or some of his own visionary music. Seeing all this laudatory stuff about Kissin and Grimaud being great performers-I would be more impressed by their greatness if they really took up Busoni's cause and played some of his really great works. However I guess I will have a long wait to hear either of them play the Six Sonatinas, the Indian Diary, or the Fantasia Contrappuntistica.
Bravo pour votre remarque fulgurante témoignant d'un esprit brillant, remarque aussi vive et aérienne que l'interprétation prussienne de Grimaud... bravo !
Voilà qui n'est guère sympa : tout visiteur saura désormais que mon "vrai" pseudo est P.N. Destouches, que je suis né au XVIIe et que, malgré mon grand âge, je me ballade encore sur la toile !!! Décidément, on ne se refait pas ...
@geertdehoux - you're quite right! I'm happy, not afraid! :-)
scafell11 3 weeks ago
i just missed a lot the short pauses in the part that starts at 4:04, close from what rubinstein does...
that aside, this version is flawless
Yodavid1 3 weeks ago
The return to d minor is so nice, very meditative, very soft playing, hardly touching the keys of the piano.
sanyihuma 1 month ago
wow!! perfekt
japeetu 2 months ago
Busoni at it's best. bravo!!
fortepiano44 4 months ago
This is playing at the most elegant, stylistic, musically informed and technically assured level. It has to be one of the definitive interpretations since Alicia de Laroccha's. Thank you!!
fortepiano44 4 months ago
This, I'm afraid, is the definitive performance.
scafell11 4 months ago
@scafell11
Why are you afraid ?
geertdehoux 3 weeks ago
This part modulating from D minor to D major
evoke feelings of hope, compassion, and gratitude
Especially the measures starting from 1:16 always move me to tears
J.S. Bach on the right hand, Busoni on the left,
What beautiful encounter of the two!
just miraculous...
And thank you Helene, for the breathtaking performance!
Love, from Japan
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suzuhirolaw 6 months ago
sometimes a single note just hits me right in the heart, and resonates forever. That happened to me here at exactly 6:25.
What a Steinway, what a player, and greatest of all what a composer!!
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johnharmer1943 7 months ago
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So professionals get nervous, after all?
LuminaFlux 9 months ago 4
@LuminaFlux
actually, that's just JSB giving her a fingergasm through the keys. if you watch carefully how she presses the keys, you can really feel it too, when (0:13) she plays the E with her right middle finger, her right forefinger is clearly vibrating like a dildo or something like this.
or maybe just playing this beautiful Steinway makes her wet --- as hard as I would probably be doing so.
music is all about thrill and sensation.
pouetpouetpinpon 6 months ago 3
.....brava Helene....excellent!!!
NuovoCurioso 9 months ago
show-offy piece much?
caryan92 10 months ago
"On one stave, for a small instrument, the man writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I imagined that I could have created, even conceived the piece, I am quite certain that the excess of excitement and earth-shattering experience would have driven me out of my mind."- Johannes Brahms.
Fydlestyx 11 months ago 4
Excellent. I am using this version as my model for learning the chacone which has been ongoing for 6 months now. Have it about 75% memorized. I just wish I could play it like this. There are some very difficult sections and Helene makes it look so effortless. She plays it better than Busoni. Just love it!
magisterLudi1000 11 months ago
ludicrous is being too kind an observation
go to the original - this is really something
that reminds one of Liberace-you want
magnifique go to violin ......
dziady1 11 months ago
@dziady1 but please remember DZIADY that Bach himself transcribed his music and the music of other composers to new arrangements...so with that in mind, even though I absolutely adore the original and always will, I love it being transcribed or even adapted for other instruments ...also, tempo was not indicated in the original manuscript, so we are left to interpret as we see fit...I think Bach was beyond this world...Busoni was merely a showman from a romantic time...have you heard the Brahms?
cubanbach 10 months ago
@cubanbach - Yes Bach did the same ,but this is second rate trash transcription -nothing original .
just indulgent piano virtuoso hack work which no
pianist who respects Bach and the art would play.
Grimaud is just another piano thumper trying to
impress a certain type audience and I am sure she does.
dziady1 10 months ago
@dziady1 OK DZIADY ... Busonic was bombastic...for example his ridiculous Piano Concerto. Chacun a son gout..... but... Have you heard the Brahms for left hand alone? Are there any transcriptions of this that you like at all? Just curious...
cubanbach 10 months ago
@cubanbach-None it is idiomatic to the violin and its sound &
technique that it would take another Bach to transbscribe it.It is a dance and the variations should reflect original tempo but do not.It is akin to Pavarotti
singing Nessun Dorma to the unwashed in ball parks and super market openings , all bogus. Go to original for its beauty.
dziady1 10 months ago
@dziady1 "Chaconne" a son gout... You should know that Bach had no tempo indicated...and anyway...the Busoni's oeuvre is not worth this much of my time. So farewell.
cubanbach 10 months ago
@cubanbach You should make an exception here, this is a masterpiece on the shoulders of a masterpiece.
tasteism 6 months ago
@dziady1 Clearly you have delved deep into this 'only the theory' mentality which is not uncommon. It comes hand in hand with 'purism'. Still to me 'piano thumper' makes no sense. it is called the Pianoforte for a reason, those that know what a piano is for know this. Grimaud impresses people who like the piano and is hated by those who love the harpsichord because they cannot understand dynamics. 'Thumping' the piano is an art and a skill that is perhaps the hardest to achieve.
curzmg 9 months ago
@dziady1 I'm going to go ahead and guess that you play an instrument only because us instrumentalists are often posed with the eternal question baroque vs. romantic. This is the exact argument that results in 'your Chopin is too sentimental'. I'm not going to argue too hard with you about that it's a difficult question, I'm just going to ask you the simple question 'wtf do we actually mean when we say "your Chopin is too sentimental"' and isn't there something tragic in saying that?
curzmg 9 months ago
Tout simplement magnifique, c'est définitivement la version que je préfère et Hélène Grimaud en donne une interprétation fascinante, j'en a la chair de poule....
crash305 11 months ago
this piece is my crack
kinkajoes 11 months ago 2
It's an evolution from baroque to romanticism.
It's a piece integrated with both great grieve and great happiness.
My fellow audience, just cry !
hjuniform 11 months ago
Géniallissime.Belle version qui vaut celle de Fazil Zay, autre excellant pianiste.
bouledogue888 11 months ago
What can one say after hearing a performance like this one can only imagine the inspiration it took to write a piece like this.Love could be the closest thing i could imagine.Bach is indeed one of the IMMORTALS......
triton382 1 year ago
Her hands are beautiful to watch. Her music takes my breath away.
drummerboy1138 1 year ago
she trembles...
narutorra 1 year ago
Hélène Grimaud... une pianiste exceptionnelle, une conscience éveillée, une passionnée impliquée, une femme d'exception.
Tintibet 1 year ago
Die Kritik sagte, dass Busoni ein neuer Liszt war... und dieser Meisterwerk - der auch so grossartig gespielt wird - zeigt das am deutlichsten..
PerfekteWagnerianer 1 year ago
Kraftvoll, sensibel, meisterhaft...
joesgarage43 1 year ago 3
From 5:50 ...Grandiose !
halaaable 1 year ago
a partir de 1.40, j'ai rarement ressenti une emotion aussi intense, on ressent toute la puissance de la musique de bach c'est incroyable, jen ai la chair de poule..!! je crois qu'apres cela on peut mourir tranquille, j'aurais tellement aime voir cela en vrai...!! merci helene grimaud..!
defda94 1 year ago
5:23 until the end... The very best...
Pianista061292 1 year ago
Bravo!!!
MrMrMikayel 1 year ago
She is just as beautiful as this masterpiece.
The mortal vanishes, perfection takes its place.
jackass1234R 1 year ago 2
@jackass1234R Amazing comment! Couldn't agree more with you! This is pure ecstasy!
DeliusAlkan 5 months ago
it is a disaster when comments having nothing whatsoever to do with the video and merely repeating some absolutely contentless platitudes are shown at the top of the page as being highest rated...
gjwr 1 year ago
whenever i read something like two degrees in music and a phd in philosophy i immediately get very nervous...
gjwr 1 year ago
lol at name of channel
SMOORE180 1 year ago
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saraihakim 1 year ago
Always when I listen to this piece after listening to Brahm's transcription I have a sense of insatisfaction, not because of Grimaud's superbe performance, but I guess because of Busoni's unnecesary explorations beyond Bach's piece.
felipilloo1984 1 year ago
The section starting at 3:35 always cracks me up. Very intense passage and amazing chord progression. There's no addition from Busoni there - that's really all what the old man JSB wrote.
bontempo01 1 year ago 13
@bontempo01 I always sigh when I reach that section, It's beauty as itself, I don't know... I have always felt that these sections which are arpeggiated in the chaconne are surreal; dimensions corrupt and blend themselves into a weird synesthesic new universe... when I first heard the Chaconne played by Rachel Podger I got the in my head the image of a seagull flying to heaven over a sea of threads with colours of a sunset and since then I always get the feeling of this ethereal world...
feydust 11 months ago
@bontempo01 ... and that section you mentioned is I don't know an overflow of light in this landscape within the shine of d major... jajajajajajajaja I got a little too romantic, sorry I needed to state that :b
feydust 11 months ago
omg, shes the best on this piece!! :O!!!!
MrToulis93 1 year ago 2
Shut up people and listen to the music. We all speak with words? Why can't you people just shut up and be like Bach? Speak with pitches and no words? This piece is a perfect example of that. Saying more than could be said with words, with no words spoken.
BoeingB17FF 1 year ago 3
Bravo Hélène ! C'est du grand piano, je suis bluffé; Allier en live une telle technique avec une belle sensibilité toute féminine c'est tout à l'honneur de Bach, de Busoni des femmes et de la France à la fois !!!
wolfibigoude 1 year ago 2
Awesome Awesome awesome performance!
lagunaboy2006 1 year ago
The interpretation of Hélèlen Grimaud is as selfunderstood and one with the music of Bach as the nature itself.
TheFeldenkraisMethod 1 year ago
Wonderfull...though very personal interpretacion of this piece of J.S.Bach......I really like it, because she has an sort of what Bach mught be thinking when composing it.....JorgeLuisGoluboff
JorgeLuisPsicoHipnos 1 year ago 2
@nicoss007
And listen to Haebler, Haskil, Kraus, Annie Fischer, Mikkola and so many others.
Go and listen to exams at the conservatories.
Of course there are exceptions, but don't they 'confirm the general rule' ?
"On the same ground" ? No, I wasn't, as I was on stage in Bangkok.
"Even IF I'm a man ?" Do you think I'm a Thai lady-boy ?!
Khop khoon krap!
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@TheQuale
'The nature of remarks': you mean there IS a difference between remarks made by men and those made by women ?
But NO difference in piano playing is possible ???
How strange...
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@TheQuale
Of course a body is a machine!
Where does 'consciousness' come from ?!
It seems I have certain knowledge you don't and that's OK, but does this make my remarks ridiculous ??!
If you have such 'high' degrees as you say, than I suppose you've the mental ability to think about this seriously.
A cordial greeting,
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
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geertdehoux 1 year ago
@geertdehoux Well put, definitely something to remember, so as not to begin judging people's intelligence simply by the number of abbreviations following their last name. On the note of this recording however, I found it very enjoyable, played with great mastery, obviously a very personal interpretation. World class, if only more people enjoyed this music.
-Adam
maestroadam 1 year ago
@maestroadam
Good evening.
Please understand my comment on this performance is very POSITIVE!
Of course, this is a great performance!
Nevertheless it seems certain people get upset with what I wrote...
Men and women are physically different.
As even our brain is different (ask a good neurologist), it is normal we have a different approach to music (which every good teacher knows by experience)!
It really can't get why it is so difficult to understand this simple fact.
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@maestroadam
Because I hadn't enough space anymore, I'm sending you a cordial greeting.
Geert Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@TheQuale and youre scaring the crap ot of me,, dude this is music okkkkkkkkk...........
marrieter08 1 year ago
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1 year ago 2
1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
marrieter08 1 year ago
@marrieter08
divine ?
God ?
omnipotence ?
extends his hand ?
Like refined art, deep religious experience is only a middle way between noise and Stillness.
A cordial greeting,
Geert Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
I guess only a pianist can judge the enormous achievement, mentally and physically, that is behind such a brilliant performance. This woman is one of the most precious creatures walking on this planet. I adore her!
tasteism 1 year ago 4
@tasteism You're an ordinary person and that makes your comment a comment of sense. Let the pissed off and the frustrated self poisoned themselves with their words of hate.
Escal21 1 year ago
@tasteism You're right and fortunately you're wrong. An artist is meant to create emotion and o Lord this is not a privilege of the pissed off and the frustrated! She makes music an art and I ain't sure you should limit her kingdom to this planet.
Escal21 1 year ago
@tasteism it also just so happens that she is beautiful as well!
maestroadam 1 year ago 2
Superb!
lagunaboy2006 1 year ago
Une œuvre exceptionnelle par une interprète exceptionnelle...
congratulations!
Talisman0011 1 year ago
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1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
marrieter08 1 year ago
I love very much with this video.... actually with expression and technic.... and soul of music.......I play also this pieces in the guitar. I f someone ask me , what kind of the pieces in the guitar do you like best. ......I said "Chaconne from JS Bach." You are great pianist
Liantotjahjoputro 1 year ago
Seriously, who CARES what Mr. Gardenhose opines about anything?
Bottom Line: I'd Hélène Grimaud's ass at High Noon, in the Middle of June in Rangoon.
Friendulum 1 year ago
The darkest, loudest and most compound passages of this piece tends to sound messy in the hands of most pianoplayers, - but Helene Grimaud has managed to maintain an exemplary clarity all through the story. Praise and respect for that.
metteholm75 1 year ago 2
Where is this concert taking place?
Does someone know?
kawairx2 2 years ago
increible me conecte con la obra¡¡¡¡
javierpe9103 2 years ago
It's not because I know something you might not, that this makes ME 'naive and ridiculous'.
Just saying my comments are 'n. and r.' is very easy.
Saying WHY they're 'n. and r.' is something else...
Oh, God, why have Thou made so many idiots ??!!
geertdehoux 2 years ago
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A clean and musical performance, with a wide variety of beautiful and well worked out sounds, remarkable for a woman.
About this last point: I suggest you to listen to the great Lazar Berman's recordings of this magistral work.
geertdehoux 2 years ago
'remarkable for a women'?
mrpukh 2 years ago 3
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I understand your reaction.
Nevertheless don't forget a body is a machine.
Each body is different, wich means each machine is different, too.
As each machine is different, the sound produced by each machine is different, as well.
A male body is not a female one.
That why certain music sounds better by men, and other by women.
That this young woman can make such a richness of great sounds, is remarkable.
A cordial greeting,
Geert Dehoux, pianist.
geertdehoux 2 years ago
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TheQuale 2 years ago
@geertdehoux
Jooouuuhh!
geertdehoux 3 weeks ago
youve just reminded me to turn off the show comment option with your belligerent and obtuse comments wrapped in ostentatious musical snobbery. btw, you may want to realize its both useless and moot to try to argue which sex is intrinsically better or worse at music since music itself is inherently subjective beyond certain technical skill.
bluemonolith88 2 years ago 2
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It's clear to me you haven't understood a shit of what I wrote.
Oh, dear...!!
geertdehoux 2 years ago
by saying "certain music sounds better by men," you have clearly implied that one sex is intrinsically better than the other in at least certain types of music. and your tone toward female musicans is condescending. that's why people are reacting negatively to your comments, geertdehoux, not because they don't understand your rant or because they are "idiots," as you have rudely said. my guess is that you are either very old or very naive.
bluemonolith88 2 years ago
@bluemonolith88
I also said "some sounds better by women", didn't I... ?
Oh, my..!
Every respected teacher knows there is a clear difference in piano playing and its approach by men or women.
SO, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ??!
Of course, there are always exceptions, but don't they confirm the general rule ?
A cordial greeting,
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@bluemonolith88
There is also another possibility: I might know certain truths you don't.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@bluemonolith88
OK, now I'll go and polish an - old - iron!
Cheers !
geertdehoux 1 year ago
geertdehoux, I find it telling that you've disabled the ratings on your own videos.
logicus1 2 years ago 3
@logicus1
I don't want idiots make my publications durty, that's why.
And then something else, as I dislike 'ratings', I never give any to others, either.
I hope this information will serve you.
A most cordial greeting,
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
Bendita seas eternamente por el infinito placer que me produces con la excelsa interpretación de la musica de Bach .Sublime, exquisita, alquimica intemporal. No dejes nunca de tocar esta pieza, pues la misma es mágica, un mensaje musical cifrado , con el que Bach expreso a su amada fallecida lo que en vida no pudo por las circunstancias.Dios y Bach te han elegido a ti ,Helen, para que podamos sublimrnos todos con ello. Gracias. Merci
28jadufer 2 years ago 2
I just love this.
yourforte 2 years ago 2
I understand that Bach intended the piece for the violin. I just like it being played on the piano.
liorcaspi 2 years ago
If men had not oppressed women for so many centuries...how many more great talents would we have known threw the ages.How much more music,not just from the masculine(Bach,Mozart etc) but from the Feminine....Father Forgive us,for we know not what we did all those years, and now this woman; Helene Grimaud is a witness that you are in man and woman equally,and we men have blundered and cheated ourselves for so long by holding them back.Forgive,Forgive....
examinfo 2 years ago 2
2 words.
Clara Schumann.
thaeg01 2 years ago
Hahaha.
You do realise the church is still quite patriarchal, right? Exclusively male priesthood and all that, right?
Even 'God' is depicted as a male figure.
FAIL
ethositachi 2 years ago
amazing piece and interpretation
AnnMarry19 2 years ago 4
Hélène Grimaud is a person touched by God...
VideosAlcides 2 years ago 3
@VideosAlcides YES! Grimaud IS touched by all the gods in the universe ... and beyond!
Her interpretations of all I have heard her play are absolutly sublime.
ragmaniac01 2 years ago
@ragmaniac01
By how many gods was she touched ?
geertdehoux 1 year ago
I have listened to the piano version before the violin version. I think the piano version portrays much more emotion and feelings, but that is only my personal point of view.
liorcaspi 2 years ago 4
@liorcaspi I think they both do. I think it just depends on who's playing it. Grimaud does a fantastic job of portraying that deep emotion. Mistakes or not! :)
elements100 2 years ago
After you watched those two videos, you have witnessed a goddess playing music coming from God
tasteism 2 years ago 3
Well, im a violinist, and im just checking around looking for some transcriptions of this piece.. i have to say i still believe that the original solo-violin version has something i cant hear in performings like this.. however, is really usefull to listen to this versions..
Mnacuspia004 2 years ago
You're quite right. It lacks the tension and sense of struggle you get from the original or solo violin for the simple reason that it is too easy to play on the piano. The only piano transcription that does justice to the piece is the one by Brahms for left hand only.
Hardwyck 2 years ago
Dude, she makes it look easy, it is not an easy piece. Especially musically, just like the original version.
saiserieht 2 years ago 2
It would be if you stripped away all the inessentials, ie everything not in the original violin piece. I realise that the piece, as embellished, is extremely difficult; it's just that I can't stand the embellishments. But I don't mean to offend people who like the piece; maybe I'm just missing something.
Hardwyck 2 years ago 3
Ah, now I catch your meaning, what you say is that the piano is more "suited" for this kind of music. That actually makes sense. To create this organ like quality is more difficult on the violin resulting in more "struggle".
saiserieht 2 years ago
Certainly the piano is suited to this arrangement. But the music has been arranged to make it suitable for the piano, and in my view the original spirit of the piece has been lost in the process. But then,great pianist like Michelangeli, Rubinstein and Brendel evidently appreciate it and who am I to argue with them?
Hardwyck 2 years ago
It's ironic she gets so much prejudice against her because she's good looking. All the supposed piano critics then say "she's only famous because she's good looking". The thing is that we can't even see her when we play her CDs. And her Brahms sonatas are fantastic. I play a lot of Brahms, and I know, that at her best, she can be an excellent pianist
MrNewchange 2 years ago
lol.. just cause someone can't play this doesn't mean every person who can string together it's notes automatically does it in a sufficient way and that since i can't play it myself i have no right to speak. This is like telling movie critics to direct their own great movies instead of criticizing the bad ones...
celach 2 years ago
Right celach! More clear your argument when you say, A male gynaecologist cannot judge a pregnancy, because he cannot give birth himself.
tasteism 2 years ago 3
@tasteism oh well, these youtubers are silly people who'll resort to 'thumbing down' us
celach 2 years ago
Let them try, they wont succeed! I call them peanut counters.
tasteism 2 years ago
I really just don't get it. You don't read a movie critic's review that gives a film 1/5 stars and say "Oh, why dont you show me your movie so we can compare?" and totally dismiss their opinion, so why do these people do it when criticizing musical performances? Since I can't play this chaconne transcription, I don't know anything about musical performance? Why dont they attach videos of them playing this piece to prove to us THEY can play it, then? Their opinions shouldn't matter either.
celach 2 years ago
Because they cannot play it - could they, they would be educated enough not to write such silly comments. I found out in my 70 years of life that the real great people are humble and if they critisize they do it in a gentle and constructive way.
tasteism 2 years ago 2
If she was dog ugly you'd all be commenting on how well she played the piece. Stop the hating. Nice work Helene.
NaFFKopeX 2 years ago 4
Those of you complaining about excessive pedal and "Romantic" playing should blame Busoni rather than the pianist.
BillyReuben28 2 years ago 2
less arm, more arm, more pedal, less pedal.....people, for crying out loud! This is just beautiful music, and definitely a wonderful performance....if you think this has a lot of pedal, listen to the Demidenko version....the "hopping" bit (around 3:40) in his version is completely blended into a cascade (and I mean a CASCADE!) of sound....sublime!...agree with another post: this represents the joy Busoni must have felt when listening to this music....
naiadeforta 2 years ago 4
have just listened again to the Demidenko version...and I still prefer that one....I agree that it is slower, but the lines are so clear...there are crescendos that just keep going on, from pppppp to fffff....the music leaves me with a sense of exaltation and at the same time with an utter feeling of despair....sublime!!!!!...and I couldn´t care less if it is romantic or not: it is the music that counts!
naiadeforta 2 years ago
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This piece can be played very differently. Far less pedal. Much softer dynamics, it is after all a violin piece. The bass should never go "boom". Most everyone plays it generally like she did, a romantic piece. Nobody enjoys string players who play Bach with excessive vibrato to hide poor intonation. She slows down the melody (briefly) during big skips but it add that "virtuoso drama" to the piece. Is it possible to play this so well that the audience might not think its a show piece?
jdbrown371 2 years ago
God... if you feel this as a show piece you have no soul... Maybe Bach had to compose to eat, but that doesn´t mean his music didn´t come deep from his spirit... there´s always that kind of duality. All the harmony and depth in his music makes it feel like an ecstasy, faraway from being a show piece. Bach himself said that the purpose of any music should be the praise of god...
javierleonenriquez 2 years ago 4
Actually, this is a piano piece, the original was a violin piece. This isn't Bach, but it's a bloody fantastic Romantic romp. I think the best way to think about it is as a representation of Busoni's joy at hearing Bach translated into music.
Haeronthegreat 2 years ago
well but she plays piano not violin. you shouldn't try to sound like a violin by playing the piano and also not try sound like a piano playing the violin. i like listening to helen grimauds interpretations very much. what do you mean with show piece?
0815789 2 years ago
By show piece I mean lots of octaves and chord, fast scales, flash etc. but to be fair she doesn't make the octaves growl with too much pedal. I just don't know if playing this piece with a big sonority is the only choice. You can't duplicate a violin sound but the big piano sound for Bach just rubs me the wrong way and I'm no Bach purist. If I were to try this piece I'd play it as though it were a Brahms Intermezzo instead of a Liszt tone poem.
jdbrown371 2 years ago
She can use more power from arm .
rogernldw 2 years ago
ET .........
marrieter08 2 years ago
...bella e brava ...Helene
NuovoCurioso 2 years ago
Humans don't play this well, she's ET
PSMcL67 2 years ago
just spell-bound. it's perfectly played
weronidlo 2 years ago
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tayjaubes 2 years ago
she has synesthesia:
is a neurologically based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway
marrieter08 2 years ago
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papillondenuit1970 2 years ago
une des rares interprète qui ne joue pas cette magnifique pièce en défoncant le piano...Bravo Madame Grimaud, c'est magnifiquement joué .
papillondenuit1970 2 years ago 2
She is lovely, very romantic, and grat artist!!
music2777 2 years ago
what else did she played in that concert?
twiltot 2 years ago
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having grown up with the original, violin-version just wonderig if this performance could have benefited from less pedal in some of the climatic passages - 2:30/3:30, 6:00/7:00 ....feels like the enormous romantic power ate up the triumphant nobility of the original idea ?
cellotennis 2 years ago
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thaeg01 2 years ago 2
I played this piece years ago, back in 1999-2001. I played this piece and nothing else for 6 months. I was like a starving man drinking from the waters of life in a dry desert. This piece of music has it all for a musician. It has life, it has poetry, it has power, grace and beauty.
My first time I heard this piece, I heard Ms. Grimaud play it live in concert. I knew it was a great piece, but I had never heard of it before. It wasn't until years later that I heard it again on a recording.
maxscriptguru 2 years ago 3
i LOVE THIS PIECE TOO i listen it everyday!!!
andreea1407 2 years ago
Would I ask for too much if I asked you to play it for us? And don't be afraid of biting comments - even if God would play personally here, there would be nuts to criticize him.
tasteism 2 years ago
@tasteism I haven't played it now for about 9 years. One girl friend of mine in college, only heard me play it once: and badly too. My weakness's are my trill's (I have skinny forearms that are week), and my ability to play different tempos (4 against 3)... (8 against 9 etc...)
maxscriptguru 1 year ago
@tasteism
Which fingering would 'God" use ?
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@geertdehoux the optimal of course!
tasteism 1 year ago
@tasteism
"Dië vettegen douëm van delpwijjouw ?!" :-)
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@geertdehoux Sorry, this looks very 'outlaendisch' to me and I cannot understand it.
tasteism 1 year ago
@tasteism
Never mind!
It's only a little joke a few 'insiders' will understand, nothing more.
A cordial greeting,
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
@geertdehoux Anyway, it would be nice to explain it. If you don't like to do that here, please write it in my inbox. Is it dutch?
tasteism 1 year ago
@tasteism
Well, it's someone well known (a professor) used to comment about someone else well known (a professor, too).
Actually, this language is Aantwaareps.
A friendly greeting,
G. Dehoux.
geertdehoux 1 year ago
My God, this woman is unbelievable. Epic performance!
briank4251 2 years ago 4
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Fucking boring MLTR can do better than this. bOOOOOOO
loserslists 2 years ago
1:09 to 2:00 is ethereal, it is as if that the ingeniousness of bach and busoni conglomerated into a divine union of great artistic value. it sounded like heaven is opening in front of you and God, heavily laden with divine attributes and omnipotence, extends his hands to those who have lived on great solemn indulgence and those who have suffered and greatly afflicted...............
marrieter08 2 years ago 2
May we all see that same sight firsthand, when our time comes.
JupiterIV 2 years ago
1:09 to 2:00 is really amzing....... it sounded like as if heaven is opening in front of you and god, heavily laden with divine power and omnipotence extends His arms over the sinful world and lighting those who have lived a life of saintliness and great solemn indulgence................
marrieter08 2 years ago
This performance is even better than the one on her Bach CD. Nearly as good as Michelangeli's.
lekinno 2 years ago 3
I added this to my favourites after 2 mins and was going to listen again later.....but couldn`t leave had to stay to the end,bravo :)
dawggonecrazee 2 years ago
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anyone who likes this transcription i urge to listen to michelangeli's studio version from the 50's. it will blow your mind away guranteed.
brianCIM 2 years ago
Well-yes, music does get better than this if you listen to some of Busoni's other transcriptions, or some of his own visionary music. Seeing all this laudatory stuff about Kissin and Grimaud being great performers-I would be more impressed by their greatness if they really took up Busoni's cause and played some of his really great works. However I guess I will have a long wait to hear either of them play the Six Sonatinas, the Indian Diary, or the Fantasia Contrappuntistica.
ric55 2 years ago
Quelle bouillie !!!
JuliendAnce 2 years ago
"La critique est aisée et l'art est difficile"... Merci, Destouches...
Ulysse0201 2 years ago
Avec mes compliments à JuliendAnce !!!
Ulysse0201 2 years ago
Bravo pour votre remarque fulgurante témoignant d'un esprit brillant, remarque aussi vive et aérienne que l'interprétation prussienne de Grimaud... bravo !
JuliendAnce 2 years ago
Voilà qui n'est guère sympa : tout visiteur saura désormais que mon "vrai" pseudo est P.N. Destouches, que je suis né au XVIIe et que, malgré mon grand âge, je me ballade encore sur la toile !!! Décidément, on ne se refait pas ...
Ulysse0201 2 years ago