I ve got hope we are less than 50 years away from the heap and may be 200 away from space-time travels and immortality (copying consciousnesses in machines)
dimensionless constants in physic are the places where the pure mathematics becomes "reality"
I ve got some idea how Nothingness can become pure mathematics, ALL of it, using Set theory and Euler's identity.
I ve got some thought experiments that brings us closer to how Comsciousness could emerge (qualia, memories etc but the big problem is the self referent idea of Myself)
I am just an amateur but I am crasy about this idea because I found it independently july 2011 while debating in fundamentalist christian forum. Then I made google research and found Max Tegmark. OMG this must be the holy truth! And mankind is very close to the big heap (unles we destroy everything in the transition from type0 to type1 civilisation).
Nothingness--->pure mathematics--->physical "reality"---->evolution to consciousness
I'll try not to seem stupid here. One idea I've seen that's related to this topic sticks in my mind, and the thought is that the math of physics exists to serve physics, not the other way around. By physics I mean repeatable scientific observation of events in physical systems, sometimes with the help of simulations, which I suppose is at least part of a conventional definition. The most important events in life tend to be nonrepeatable, however, and maybe that says a lot in this context.
@CACBCCCU No one said the mathematics needs to be simple, but I do think it involves simple enough enough concepts in fields outside of our common experience, like 11 dimensions. Hawking has released a good book detailing what we know about physics nowadays
Intelligence is maybe an emergent property not necessarily related to particle physics, and Tegmark's thinking is also that even mathematical universes which do not match one's concepts of real physics actually could exist, no matter how unusual the physics. That might be fortunate if one's physics happen to be wrong, as maybe there's a chance of correction through some collision of universes. Anyway, it seem when experiment and math disagree, the key times are when the math apparently loses.
I have found a structure with the property that all structures, regardless of language, are elementarily embeddable within. That means that every structure is logically-indistinguishable from a substructure of this ultimate structure.
Godel's incompleteness theorems do not prohibit such a structure from existing though the "theory" of the structure could have some interesting interaction with Godel.
I have found a structure with the property that all structures, regardless of language, are elementarily embeddable within. That means that every structure is logically-indistinguishable from a substructure of this ultimate structure.
Godel's incompleteness theorems do not prohibit such a structure from existing though the "theory" of the structure could have some interesting interaction with Godel.
I've run across this before. I like it actually. Though I would disagree with him on how consciousness fits into the picture. Jung would have categorized mathematical objects as "psychoid" -meaning that they are mind-independent but have a "mental-type" dimension to them. So it would seem that consciousness fits in at a much more fundamental level than that.
@Barklord I don't think so. He subscribes to the External Reality Hypothesis. Consciousness is not necessary for existence, it is an emergent property of certain kinds of reality.
@J0hnwi11iams The biggest problem with any mathematical TOE is the incompleteness theorem. So I don't think we can ever get a TOE based on math for this reason. It's an interesting theorem and has been shown to be present in the most hardcore of mathematics in physics, including special and general relativity.
@Darkconis In his lengthy paper (see link) he talks about the computability and the fact that such a universe has to be simple enough to be computable within a finite number of steps.
I ve got hope we are less than 50 years away from the heap and may be 200 away from space-time travels and immortality (copying consciousnesses in machines)
glasotnaroda1 7 months ago
dimensionless constants in physic are the places where the pure mathematics becomes "reality"
I ve got some idea how Nothingness can become pure mathematics, ALL of it, using Set theory and Euler's identity.
I ve got some thought experiments that brings us closer to how Comsciousness could emerge (qualia, memories etc but the big problem is the self referent idea of Myself)
glasotnaroda1 7 months ago
I am just an amateur but I am crasy about this idea because I found it independently july 2011 while debating in fundamentalist christian forum. Then I made google research and found Max Tegmark. OMG this must be the holy truth! And mankind is very close to the big heap (unles we destroy everything in the transition from type0 to type1 civilisation).
Nothingness--->pure mathematics--->physical "reality"---->evolution to consciousness
glasotnaroda1 7 months ago
I'll try not to seem stupid here. One idea I've seen that's related to this topic sticks in my mind, and the thought is that the math of physics exists to serve physics, not the other way around. By physics I mean repeatable scientific observation of events in physical systems, sometimes with the help of simulations, which I suppose is at least part of a conventional definition. The most important events in life tend to be nonrepeatable, however, and maybe that says a lot in this context.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
@CACBCCCU No one said the mathematics needs to be simple, but I do think it involves simple enough enough concepts in fields outside of our common experience, like 11 dimensions. Hawking has released a good book detailing what we know about physics nowadays
j0hnwi11iams 1 year ago
Intelligence is maybe an emergent property not necessarily related to particle physics, and Tegmark's thinking is also that even mathematical universes which do not match one's concepts of real physics actually could exist, no matter how unusual the physics. That might be fortunate if one's physics happen to be wrong, as maybe there's a chance of correction through some collision of universes. Anyway, it seem when experiment and math disagree, the key times are when the math apparently loses.
CACBCCCU 1 year ago
I have found a structure with the property that all structures, regardless of language, are elementarily embeddable within. That means that every structure is logically-indistinguishable from a substructure of this ultimate structure.
Godel's incompleteness theorems do not prohibit such a structure from existing though the "theory" of the structure could have some interesting interaction with Godel.
tennesb 1 year ago
I have found a structure with the property that all structures, regardless of language, are elementarily embeddable within. That means that every structure is logically-indistinguishable from a substructure of this ultimate structure.
Godel's incompleteness theorems do not prohibit such a structure from existing though the "theory" of the structure could have some interesting interaction with Godel.
tennesb 1 year ago
Thumbs up and good topic. I've got some issues with Tegmark's paper, do you mind if I make a video and post it as a response to yours?
drchaffee 1 year ago
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j0hnwi11iams 1 year ago
I've run across this before. I like it actually. Though I would disagree with him on how consciousness fits into the picture. Jung would have categorized mathematical objects as "psychoid" -meaning that they are mind-independent but have a "mental-type" dimension to them. So it would seem that consciousness fits in at a much more fundamental level than that.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
is he influenced by Hermetic Philosophy?
Barklord 1 year ago 2
@Barklord I don't think so. He subscribes to the External Reality Hypothesis. Consciousness is not necessary for existence, it is an emergent property of certain kinds of reality.
j0hnwi11iams 1 year ago
@J0hnwi11iams The biggest problem with any mathematical TOE is the incompleteness theorem. So I don't think we can ever get a TOE based on math for this reason. It's an interesting theorem and has been shown to be present in the most hardcore of mathematics in physics, including special and general relativity.
Darkconis 1 year ago
@Darkconis In his lengthy paper (see link) he talks about the computability and the fact that such a universe has to be simple enough to be computable within a finite number of steps.
j0hnwi11iams 1 year ago