Marais -〈Alcione〉1706, Ouverture (Jordi Savall & Le Concert des Nations)

[polybosable]

Somehow this remembers me the Coro from Bach's cantata "Nun komm der Heiden Heiland" BWV 61 ...

[DroitDivin]

Parfaite ouverture du lulliste Marin Marais dont la grandeur est d'avoir représenter avec un talent héroïque le style lulliste après le très glorieux Monsieur de Lully !

L'ouverture lulliste (lent, rapide, lent) est respecter à la perfection avec harmonie naturelle et sens de la majesté et de la pompe propre à la plus grande des musiques : la musique françoise c'est à dire lulliste !

Vomissons à l'écoute de cette superbe ouverture bien lulliste, l'affreuse ouverture italienne ridicule !

[NorbertZF]

Less anyone forgets, Lully had a great deal of influence as to what and how music was to be composed, with his manipulating Louis XIV to think his way. It wasn't until the time of Couperin, Leclair and Rameau that the Italian styles were beginning to be allowed to be used and played. That, however, does not discount the previous composers such as Lully, Dumont, Desmarest or Charpentier. It's all great music and to continue the French vs. Italian debate of over 300 years ago is ludicrous.

[ivanparis11]

Très belle ouverture lullyste de Marin Marais et très belle interprétation du Concrt des Nations

[TheRiqzster]

Oops!  Regarding my comment on "Memorare", looks like I'm getting my composers mixed up. But you know what I mean . . .

[TAMdeGledel]

Je vous précise que le titre original est « Alcyone » et non « Alcione » (c'est la graphie en italien, portugais et castillan ça).

En français, on a conservé le « y » plus conforme à l'étymologie grecque et latine « kyôn » : « concevoir ».

Pardonnez mon attitude discourtoise de vous l'écrire en français, mais je n'y connais rien en Coréen.

[purre25]

just as good as händels ouvertures in french style

[IronHorse4642]

Great stuff, could you tell whose paintings you've got in the videos?

[HARMONICO101]

@StradMan37 no offense sir, but your comment on French composers is not true at all and is clearly based on flat-out ignorance. The French wrote spectacular and extremely important music in the Baroque era. Look up Jean-Baptiste Lully, Francois Couperin (huge influence on Bach), Marin Marais (whose music you are listening to), Jean-Joseph Mondonville and Jean-Phillipe Rameau. The history of music wouldn't be the same without these men.

[TAMdeGledel]

@HARMONICO101

Symptôme d'une histoire de la musique réécrite abusément du point de vue allemand!!

Déjà, ils considèrent Johann Sebastian Bach comme majeur alors qu'il n'a aucune postérité et s'éteint dans l'anonymat. Certes, il est très en avance sur son temps, mais il n'a aucune influence sur l'histoire... Sinon, il faut classer André-Ernest-Modeste Grétry dans les majeurs également puisqu'il préfigure Hector Berlioz 50 ans avant (lui aussi dans l'incrédulité la plus totale)!!

[earenaeus]

@TAMdeGledel What you say is true. nevertheless, Bach did do important work in unifying the disparate strands of Italian, French and German baroque music into its most mature form. Still I understand your frustration! I love the French baroque period and wish that more music form that period comes into the public eye. I'm sorry that I'm not replying in French, I'm not quite good enough to express myself fully, but since you've read the above comment, I assume you'll have no problem with this.

[TAMdeGledel]

@earenaeus

Parmi vos langues, je lis mieux l'anglais que le gilbertin (kiribati) effectivement...

Loin de moi l'idée de critiquer Bach, bien au contraire, il est souvent excellent. Mais son importance dans les histoires de la musique est exagérée... ce n'est pas vraiment une frustration, la France est loin d'être le centre du monde même si à l'époque elle l'était davantage, c'est seulement dommage d'affabuler l'histoire...

Au plaisir de vous lire.

[earenaeus]

@TAMdeGlede I see your point. I actually think that Bach isn't given enough attention, by which I mean people know the name but have not bothered to listen to the music. That said, Marias, Lully, Couperin, Rameau etc. are even less recognised. I blame the lack of decent period ensembles in the world. Aside from Jordi Savall's projects and a few others there really aren't enough musicians that can play the music as it is meant to be heard.

[guitarslim56]

@earenaeus, I blame the oil companies.

[TheRiqzster]

@HARMONICO101 Speaking of Jean-Baptiste Lully, his "Memorare" is a total knockout! Unbelievable . . .

[TheRiqzster]

@TheRiqzster Oops! I think I'm getting my composers mixed up. But you know what I mean . . .

[irishmaestro]

@StradMan37 Actually, 17th and 18th Century France was a place of great cultural achievement - and French music was one of the great National Styles of the baroque, along with the Italian, and German composers often sought to incorporate both French and Italian tastes in their music something which a few French composers (such as Couperin, Rameau, Boismortier, Jacquet de La Guerre etc) sought to do as well. Listen to Lully's chaconnes, and tell me that the French didn't produce great music!