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[keyboardplaya]

I'm also Jewish, so I find it very offensive that you USE and EXPLOIT my people to further your own beliefs.

You conservative Christians already exploit us with your "pro-life" agenda.  Stop using us for things we don't even agree with!

Unless you want us to call eating pork the "American crucifixion."

[4lifeReagan]

@keyboardplaya Shut your mouth. Are you LIBERAL? If you are a Liberal your not a true Jew. The same belief or idealogy you fight for would allow the world to gut and kill you in a second. Conservative Christians and Conservative Jews stand with you and fight for you. Learn who your true friends and allies are!!!!

[keyboardplaya]

But if you want to play the association game, you shouldn't believe in creationism either. It led to the repression of women for centuries, because they were believed to be the source of "original sin."

Anyway, the only "proof" we have of creation, is ONE 2,000 year old book, and a couple of hacks who want to make this idea sound true.

Ken Ham's museum comes to mind.

But hey, the Nazis had a museum exhibit of their own ("The Wandering Jew"). It made people believe crazy things too!

[keyboardplaya]

You clearly know nothing about science.

Adolf Hitler believed in EUGENICS, which is also called SOCIAL Darwinism. That means he believed people from other races had different biological make-ups than the Aryan race.

For example, he believed that Jews were not of the species homo erectus, but were more closely related to rats.

Franz Boas, a Jewish anthropologist, found that all humans are humans. He disproved eugenics, but still regarded evolution as fact.

[macomoto]

12. Adolf Hitler: War Against Spiritual, Political, Cultural Nihilism

Hitler delivers a speech in which he promises to restore "family...honor and loyalty, Volk and Vaterland, culture and economy" and recover "the eternal foundation of our morality and our faith." Hitler further declares a "merciless war against spiritual, political, and cultural nihilism."

- Adolf Hitler, speech, Feburary 1, 1933

[macomoto]

11. Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Party Represents Positive Christianity

"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."

- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP)

[macomoto]

10. Adolf Hitler: Gold has Replaced God

It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

[macomoto]

9. Adolf Hitler: Confidence in God

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

[macomoto]

8. Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

[macomoto]

7. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

[macomoto]

6. Adolf Hitler: Fate of God

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

[macomoto]

5. Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

[macomoto]

4. Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

[macomoto]

3. Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

[macomoto]

1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

2. Adolf Hitler: Thanking God

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

[bau06109]

so hitler can quote darwin that doesent mean darwin supported hitler , why dont you look at every time christianity has been used to carry out evil deeds it doesent mean the measage of christianity is wrong just that all things in this world can be exploited YOU IDIOT.

[theinternetscholar]

It would be interesting if there was made a documentary on the cons of Religion and religious philosophy/though through the ages . . . How many people have killed or denied rights to others unlike them in the name of their god . . . religious warfare, now that's scary!

[jacman611]

ah yes, accuse people who would accept the theory of evolution as a truth of supporting nazism and they will obviously collapse under the weight of their long-running lie of wanting to exterminate the jewish race.

great work, man! you're logic is INFALLIBLE.

[Nocturnuz]

Refer all you want, that doesn't make true what you say. Survival of the fittest exists, slower birds get killed quicker than quicker birds, and so the slower bird gets extinct sooner. That doesn't make right the theory that 'higher' and 'lower' human life forms exist. That's just not true. Both are still alive, so both are the 'fittest', and therefore they are equal! That's what Darwin would have said. Besides, the Holocaust isn't a natural selection, it's simply selection.

[johnnyreality]

Although Hitler believed in survival of the fittest, he was a creationist, but I am not going to twist that around like these fools and say that all creationists are nazis... this type of ignorance is dangerous

[johnnyreality]

Although Hitler believed in survival of the fittest, he was a creationist, but I am not going to twist that around like these fools and say that all creationists are nazis... this type of ignorance is dangerous

[sounddoctorin]

absolutely dangerous. However Hitler said, like any politician, all kinds of things to appeal to the people who would support him. Obviously from reading his book he fully tried to help 'evolution' and integrated purely Darwinian ideas in his direction. Darwin's cousin wasn't it wrote Eugeniks.... and of course the two ideas work hand in hand. Lower people to animal status...then manipulate the gene pool by brutal treatment of course.

[Atriviality]

Humans ARE animals. Its the whole eating, breathing, moving thing we do that puts us in that category. If you stop doing one of the above things permanently, then you can proudly say you are not an animal and not be lying.

"then manipulate the gene pool by brutal treatment of course."

Yes, just as it says to do in Deuteronomy 7:1-2

[sounddoctorin]

Because you say so? I know I have something animals don't have. You can't know that I don't. Maybe you are like an animal. I'll put a dish out for you..but keep out of my house. Thanks. In the OT we had utterly evil nations and God used Israel to eliminate them. How do you know their children weren't born w/out spirits leading up to that? Judge God based on partial evidence. That's always a sure fire argument :-)

[Atriviality]

"Because you say so?"

No, because we eat, breathe, and move of our own volition. It's the definition of "animal".

"I know I have something animals don't have. You can't know that I don't."

Prove that you do. Prove that I don't. Prove that anything else does, doesn't, did, or didn't. Give an example of each proof.

[sounddoctorin]

Animals have much in common with humans in the biological realm obviously. You aren't talking to a child. You are talking to a person with a BS in science Ed. If you don't know that you are more than an animal, then I'm sorry for you. You have to find that inside yourself. It's of spiritual nature. The only evidence is manifested in physical works...in how the SIMILAR ape sets under the tree doing maintenance things for thousands of years, while man develops incredibly.

[Atriviality]

So you agree that humans are animals (apes) by definition.

Spirituality is different for everyone. My spirituality is right for me, and to me that's all that matters. Like you said, actions are more important, so I don't care what people believe, only that they are decent.

Hitler may have praised God until his dying day, but he was still a warmongering anti-Semite. Nothing he did had anything to do with either God or evolution, but (like you said) he said it did for political reasons.

[sounddoctorin]

By your definition. We all have our own definitions. By mine (which I claim spiritual insight for...take it or leave it...but you can't steer around the fact that human accomplishment testifies that we are *more* that just a genetic variation of apes) I believe we are a physical shell with a spiritual hub that will eventually be attached to a new body when this one perishes if we are in relationship with God's spirit.

[Atriviality]

"We all have our own definitions."

Yes, and mine comes from the dictionary. I did of course shorten it for the word limit.

"human accomplishment testifies that we are *more* that just a genetic variation of apes"

Yes, it also proves we are a social and mental variation too.

[sounddoctorin]

And I never said actions are 'more important'. People can easily appear as giving people, then later we find out they're running a drug lab, or whatever. I'm saying 100% of the time though, real spiritual relationship with the creator results in real loving actions. Hitler was a politician. Are you still speculating about what he reportedly did? I think his actions show conclusively that he hated the God represented by Yeshua's words.

[Atriviality]

This is turning into a morality debate which is not the point. Hitler was a bad man because he did bad things. He was a worse man because he made other people do bad things. Neither God nor evolution was the reason for it. That is the point.

[sounddoctorin]

You say you don't want a morality debate, then start hand waving about how Hitler's deeds were bad? You're making no "point". You are just waving your hands. I don't see any substantiation for anything you are saying. Indeed like Johnny said..your arguments are lame.

[Atriviality]

No. The point of this entire thing is to show that Hitler used evolution to justify genocide. My point is that Hitler was a warmongering anti-Semite and would have done those things anyway, with or without the theory of evolution because people have always tried to get rid of people they don't like. God(s) or no God(s).

[johnnyreality]

Yes, but he was a creationist too, and liked painting as well... does that mean that all painters and creationists are nazis? come on...

[sounddoctorin]

He functioned like an evolutionist. You are making pointless speculation based on the claims of a politician. Did he clearly define the 'god' of creation he was alluding to? Please show the quotes, not that again it would mean jack because he's a POLITICIAN! He proved to be a liar..so what's the point in arguing? YOU 'come on'. Answer me instead of skirting around this fact. VIEW my 'guilty by association' video. You are just flapping your fingers without direction...

[Atriviality]

Please define the term "evolutionist" and why Hitler functioned like one.

[sounddoctorin]

Shorthand. We are limited to 500 characters here. Please read context and act like you have some perception. Obviously I mean one who holds that complex life came from evolutionary progression, NOT by means described in the bible Hitler affiliated himself with only for political reasons. He treated people like animals. Not like they had been created by a divine being who gave them the right to seek a relationship with him, rather than being snuffed out because of race, weakness, whatever.

[johnnyreality]

maaaaan, your arguments are lame

[johnnyreality]

hahahahaha

[sounddoctorin]

PS your use of 'these fools'...who specifically did anything analogous to *that*? I certainly didn't and in fact have recently posted the 'Stupid atheist tricks" video noting the common use of 'guilty by association' arguments.

[rjrrules]

"hitler was always refering to darwin"

hitler was always refering to god as well

[sounddoctorin]

Again...we have to stop being foolish and believing what Politicians say AND RATHER JUDGE THEM BY THEIR DEEDS. Nobody who believes in the God of the bible would murder people for fear they'd be hell bound. (Note: I said bible, not just OT. The context paints a clear picture of a God who used Israel for a time to be a picture of his kingdom's workings, but also showed that they couldn't keep the covenent w/out relationship. ) Jesus came to bring a new covenent where we turn other cheek.

[Atriviality]

The Nazi's also believed "Gott Mit Uns" and even wore it on their belts. Anyone who believes the same must be the same as the Nazis.

[ChristianHillbilly]

We should never say "God is with us" but we should always ask ourselves "ARE WE WITH GOD"?

The problem is Hitler and the Nazis broke the 1st commandment and put themselves in Gods place. That is why they thought they had the right to exterminate the Jews and many other "undesirable" people.

[Atriviality]

Sorry, I think you missed the point of my analogy.

Genocide, eugenics, and racial purists have been around for thousands of years (heck, they're even in the Bible). Nazi Germany was just very systematic about it. Just because they used Darwinian terminology, doesn't mean that Darwin's theory of animals adapting over successive generations to survive in their environment is a bad idea.

[sounddoctorin]

precisely

[sounddoctorin]

Again this is an apple/orange comparison. Our culture in the US has used God to legitimize all kinds of evil also. But some like myself worship God but don't do evil to others or try to manipulate them through subversive methods. On the other hand there is no legitimate reason to be a Eugenist period! Humans aren't cattle. They have spirit's. That's why we develop to the incredible sophistication we have and animals never advance really to any degree. Playing God always leads to violence.

[Atriviality]

Define "incredible sophistication".

[ivanisavich]

LOL!!!!

Hitler also had 2 arms, and he used those 2 arms to help him fulfill the task of ridding the world of Jews!!!

LET'S SHUN EVERYONE WHO HAS 2 ARMS!!! 2 ARMS ARE EVIL!!!

[sounddoctorin]

There are philosophical reasons to see a difference between physical associations like..number of arms..and framework ones. Those who want to breed humans like cattle... the only methods are violence and manipulation! Because nobody wants to have someone say 'you're inferior...we need to sterilize or eliminate you'. Hello?

[ivanisavich]

No, there is no ideological distinction between atheism and your physiological condition.

Atheism is not an ideology. In fact, theism on its own is not an ideology. Did you miss the point of my post?

[sounddoctorin]

apparently you aren't understanding my grammar because what you just said has nothing to do with it. I was just noting that people both having 2 arms is not related to evil. However VERY POSSIBLY being a Eugenist COULD have exclusively evil motivations. And in fact if you look at the ramifications, it always winds up in violence because people don't WANT to be hearded because of physical weakness or whatever into gas chambers. People are funny that way.

[ivanisavich]

Ok...well if that was your point then it didn't relate to my original comment.

The video attempts to show that "Darwinism" (which is generally considered atheistic, in that it excludes god from any explanation) leads to Nazism (and/or, eugenics). This is false of course, since neither "Darwinism" nor atheism are ideologies (just like having 2 arms is not an ideology).

That was the point of my original hyperbole, and my latest response to you.

[sounddoctorin]

The belief that people are all animals NATURALLY gives rise to consideration of how you might manipulate the gene pool and do away with LAME ones...just like I've done away with the LAME arguments here :-). Whereas a person who TRULY believes that there is a God in control doesn't have to scheme until it leads to mass graves etc.

[Atriviality]

Nature has ways of trimming away the defective (natural selection). It also has ways of getting around problems (mutation).

Your BS in Science Education must be BS, because you've made baseless assumptions, ignored information, invented definitions, and repeatedly used the "No TRUE Scotsman" argument. So NATURALLY, the only way I can think of that you got a bachelor's degree in science education is that you bought it.

And none of this is relevant to the topic.

[sounddoctorin]

Again just stupid personal attacks. No 1983 Oregon STate. Robert Weigel. The 'no true scottsman' is addressed in one of my stupid atheist trick series. Look it up. I have never had a lot of money WHICH MAKES YOU STUPID and UNABLE TO IMAGINE TENABLE THINGS. Ha...Frickin.>HA. Loser. I have no reason to read the work of IDIOTS. So just talk to the air...loser.

[ivanisavich]

As Atriviality has noted, this is both incorrect and incredibly ignorant.

"Darwinism" is NOT an ideology. It does NOT "naturally" give rise to the consideration that eugenics is an acceptable practice, nor have you done away with any "lame" arguments.

You've done nothing but show yourself to be foolish and incorrect.

[sounddoctorin]

Again I note, the IDEAS of Darwin are the VEHICLE by which mankind suggests an alternative worldview framework to that which had been held through the ages. That God created all things. LIKE it or not, that was the more common viewpoint and..still is but you wouldn't know it since only atheists have enough time due to government support..I guess...to appear as though they are majority. There are about 700 hyperactive atheists on myspace. Look at my vid views. It tells all :-)

[ivanisavich]

"Again I note, the IDEAS of Darwin are the VEHICLE by which mankind suggests an alternative worldview framework to that which had been held through the ages."

False.

Not only that, but you're committing a logical fallacy called "appeal to consequences".

[sounddoctorin]

For the record..I'm Bob Weigel. I do logic for a living. I'm an analog and digital designer and troubleshooter with a patent on a project that a local design shop said was impossible etc. I evaluate my grammar the same was as I do circuits. The likelihood of ME making a logical error is quite slim. YOU on the other hand..are a person making hand waving claims. It appears you are the only one even replying here so I'm going to remember to just ignore this thread.

[ivanisavich]

"You do logic for a living"?...then why did you decide to commit multiple logical fallacies? Just telling me you "do logic for a living" doesn't make them go away you know...nor does "ignoring the thread".