@tyseibert what about lenin? he spent no party funds on himself, only on furthering its progress, he was said to work up to 16 hours a day and spent no time with luxury objects or goods.
@Adonnus100 Lenin was probably a good person. I really don't know much about him but my point is that all these liberal occupy wall street people just want free shit that they didn't work for. Don't think I'm a crazy capitalist because I understand that the bailouts we did totally ripped everyone off. What we have in America is corporatism not capitalism. Capitalism would have destroyed all of these big corrupt banks.
@tyseibert the fact that you have used the word 'liberal' as an insult (which BTW in the rest of the English speaking world means conservative) probably means you are a radical right-wing republican and you really shouldn't be here.
@Adonnus100 lol good job on trying to get off point by calling me a right wing radical lmao. I said Liberal about people in new york and not london or sydney so it doesn't really matter if it means something else in other english speaking countries lol What word do you want me to use? Leftists, democrats, liberals, socialists, communists? All of those words mean something more than how they're perceived so fuck off with your vocab lessons. You don't know what capitalism is.
@tyseibert typical ignorant american, look around at how your country is failing because of capitalism, corporatism IS part of capitalism, capitalists will deny that and think that 'freedom is the only way yeah' when it is not freedom, except for big businesses. i really couldn't give a shit about how much your country fails, and frankly neither could you if you are supporting the thing that is destroying your country
@Adonnus100 There would have been no bailouts in capitalism. There would be no TARP funding in capitalism. Those corporations would have got raped by the economy if capitalism was in play. They didn't because we don't have capitalism anymore. In capitalism you're rewarded if you make good decisions, and punished if you made bad ones. I've lived in Europe and I would not trade America for Europe.
@tyseibert you must see reality,obama is a tyrant who seeks to stifle our free speech, and destroy the internet with lies, hypocrisy, censorship, and spying! occupy wall street was about the fat bastards who took over the government and crashed the economy! i am not at all against capitalism or communism, i am just against the government that seeks to oppress our pursuit of capitalism! i am not here to to insult you, communism, or capitalism, but the government must change!
@tyseibert i was just going off on a rant, i apologize for that, but i will say that the argument you and Adonnus100 had was sort of uncalled for, then again, so was my ranting.
You fucking Communists are a joke. Read Sowell's "Basic Economics" for starters. There's NOTHING wrong with advocating for labor or protecting your labor market but these problems you imagine only are remedied in a free market, price coordinated economy.
LOOK AT EAST GERMAN EMPERORS TRUE CHAMPAGNES DUSOLFDORF CHAMPAINGES OF THE DDR-COMPUTER MEMORY CHAMPAGNES OF EAST DEMOCRATIC REPBULIC EMPERORS CHAMPAIGHNES BEATS West German Capitalist Depression Trash-Garbage Drinks!!!!!!
Just as good (or just as suckish) as life in the "free" West around the same time (minus the U.S). In the Netherlands sugar was rationed until 1957. Homes were in short supply until the 1970s.
Check on June 17th 1953 revolt in East Germany. I a curious, did you grow up in the DDR? You are right the 50's was not a great time anywhere in Europe my grandfather had to bring washing machines and basic necessities to Norway during the 50's, but life under Stalin in Eastern Europe I can't imagine that was a real enjoyable time.
@TheGophers11 I am Dutch, I am from the "Free" West. From the country that was coerced by the United States to give up Indonesia (while they supported the COMMUNIST rebels) and send troops to fight in Korea or they would stop giving us the Marshall aid. In the Netherlands it took until 1957 until rationing was a thing of the past. Until the 1970s until there were houses for everyone. I can imagine that the people on the other side of the Wall were not having a good time either.
@AmersfoortTristan But life in the West wasn't rosy either. Did you know that NATO supported dictatorships in Portugal, Spain, Turkey and Greece at that same time ?
Of course I am an American but I do not agree with a lot of things are stupid government does, I dont agree with this stiff arm tactics as do a lot of Americans. Why we have to be involved now in Libiya as our president did this with out congressional aproval. I have been to Anne Franks house, God bless your great country for your brave courge in standing up against evil. My Norwegian relatives also fought to protect Jewish people. So happy news and best wishes in 2012
@alanheath I was told at the time that Berlin in particular and the DDR in general was one of the bright spots in the East Bloc economy. I have no first hand knowledge of this, though I did visit northern Yugoslavia in the 80's. They had many goods in their stores but the things I saw were also of a poorer quality than in the West at the time. We still had a nice time there.
Fucking communist shit brainwashing the habitants of east germany, u feel bad for east german ppl who got brainwashed by fucking soviet dogs, Sieg Heil!!!
Great Video! Thanks! I also remember shopping in East German Stores in Berlin in the late '80's. The goods were of terrible quality, when you could get them. But the prices were low! Entirely due to the heavy State subsidy the they could not afford. Sounds like the direction we in the West seem to be headed in right now. Will we ever learn even when we have the examples of the total failure of socialism that we have in the former-Soviet bloc countries?
Coherently, who support the capitalism should not call a public ambulance to be transported to a decent public hospital if he had a stroke or an heart infarction.....
Oh so where do you get the taxes to pay for your hospitals? Small businesses and companies. Or maybe if you sit on your dead sucking off public troft maybe you should not call the ambulance either
It's not necessary to pay taxes for a wealfare state in a real Socialist Country: it's already obvious granted services for everybody, with a general policy of working time so comfortable for the workers because it's managed at quinquennal plans. Healthy and not stressing time at job means increased health for the workers....and also a development, ecocompatible and at measure for human being, with no stress also for the natural resources, means GENERAL PROGRESS FOR EVERYBODY
I have relatives in Norway they pay high taxes, but maybe it would not be a Socialist Country but they do get a lot of services. I am American we do not follow our constitution I think we should through these bumb politicians out they are very corrupt so a lot of people protest. What country do you live in? I have been to Ukraine on the Black Sea a lot of nice girls a lot better then junky Minnesota Feminists who are too independent and dont respect a man as head of family C HOBblM Godom Xoposho
Dav, hvordan gar, bor du i Norge ? Min morfar kommer fra Sogne Fjord det smuke. Jeg elsker Norge og Norske volk. Nu jeg elsker Ukrainian Piger det er miget smuke og ikke feminist. Sa godt nu ar fra Minnesota min venner: Vi skaler med vore venner og dem sa vi kender og dem vi ikke kender vi skaler vi med
"Ukrainske pikene" du mener....ukranian piger lyder Ukrania pigs....du må lære bedre norsk men også jeg må...Sognefjørd er spennende! Ha det bra og lykkelig ny år!
@SOYUZ1968 Soviet Union faced bankrupcy, I don't know about any other countries but food and other shortages weren't made up and they were caused by Socialist system. The fact is- the system doesn't work, people are lazy as species, no matter how much propaganda you put, they won't work... if you employ 100% of people not all of them will work anyway but will find ways not to work and harm production (as happened in Soviet Union), if you remove natural competion and substitute with state compet
In capitalistic nations there are people not paying taxes and probably they, the same people, should have been working for black market in a Socialist state...The difference is: why I have to work paying taxes, working for a private vampire entrepreneur not paying taxes, to eat, have healthcare and a general welfare state, also thinking to my elderly age, and a home (after asking money to a bank)????
@SOYUZ1968 then people will fake numbers as their salary won't depend on success in competition but on ability to cheat- that's what happened in Soviet Union, farms, factories etc. faked their production numbers, sold their products in black market etc. just to fill the plan set by the government and therefore there were shortages and big black market... It just doesn't work, mainly because of people who are in general not interested in advancement, competition just because of the sake of it
@SOYUZ1968 in capitalism if you're lazy or have no education = you'll be poor and without a job, in socialism= if you're lazy or no education you'll still get a job and decent salary = but you'll perform bad at your work place anyway and will harm economy. In socialism many people ddn't go to universities as there was no point, you couldn't get rich you couldn't earn much more there... therefore the country lost many possible leaders who stayed to work as simple workers in farms or factories
@SOYUZ1968 therefore Socialism fails because of human nature, if we all were bent on advancement, inventing new things, doing our job better every day, education (plus we would be happy to choose from 2-3 models of tv not 1000 and would be glad we have the same stuff as our neighbours have and wouldn't want to be different than they) etc. then Socialism would thrive, unfortunately or fortunately the vast majority of us are Mr. Simpsons who have to be motivated to just do a job.
@SOYUZ1968 SU was full of Homer Simpsons in the governmenent, in farms, factories etc. not interested in eny advancement as there was nothing in that advancement for them really, no real benefit as getting rich etc., they just faked numbers and used any opportunity not to work (or stole from their own companies, collective farms and sold stuff in black market as it was the only way to get richer in socialism and be above the socialist middle-class if we can call it like that.
@SOYUZ1968 yeah, there was no poor people in Soviet Union and no rich people too but that's why it failed. Majority of people are lazy and never want anything more than they have and there is place for them in capitalism, low paid jobs and social benefits... in SU people like that if had some education could be presidents of farms or companies (as there was no competition in job market, jobs were given to everyone), others are those who want more and under socialism only wa to get ther was steal
You mean you would rather have subpar health care give all your rights and freedoms away to live in a workers paridise, well why dont you move to Cuba or better yet North Korea they have free healthcare. My girlfriend lived under communism why doesnt she mee move here and you go to her People's Republic. So go for it move someplace so you don't have to work and someone else can think for you too Socialims is a failed system. Crony Capitalim is the problem free markets are good
No doubt that capitalism has its merits but do you honestly expect ANYONE to believe capitalist countries have problem free markets? I'm finding it hard not to laugh considering the global economy these days. I mean you no disrespect. I just cant completely agree with that statement.
First of thank you for not swearing some people who disagree with you say f... this. Anyway what mean by cronly capitalism is a company giving favors to certian political parties as long as they vote a certian way, this is not a free market and this corruption is both government and big corperations fault. What you need to do is start your own business, preferably online and work together with others. Don't look for government to help out they have no money. So samall business is good
@Adonnus100 Why do Soviets have one of the lowest life expectancy of the civilized world? 65 compared to the US 78. Remember that number for U.S. is diluted due to immigrants. Capitalist Pigs check facts before using low mentality quality due to lack of a decent education system. Admire India, your burgeoning intellectual mecca to the south. Too much Vodka might also lead to earlier deaths, or deaths due to drunken vodka brawls. Russians forget their past. Why remember Stalin's Famine.
@1middlesbrough universal healthcare was guaranteed in East Germany for everyone and the centralized system meant that patients were redirected quickly. by contrast not everyone was eligible for healthcare in DDR although what public healthcare was provided was usually good. By contrast the health care systems of Yugoslavia, DDR, USSR were much better that the almost entirely private USA system, and that is what I am comparing the DDR system to.
@Adonnus100 i understand everyone was eligible for health care. But what was the standard of healthcare. The problem is communism does not earn enough money to pay for a high standard of healthcare like capitalist countries , not counting the US
@1middlesbrough you mean 'socialism' communism as an economic system has never been tried before. the DDR had efficient public health systems of which many methods were copied and used in scandanavian countries like Denmark and Finland. Capitalism does generate more money than socialism - BUT only for the profit of corporations. Of course, do you ever hear about corporations putting profits into public healthcare? No. That is what a socialist system does.
@Adonnus100 Socialism is where people work within a democratic framework and tolerate other points of view. Communism or extreme socialism forced on East Germany by the soviet union was did not any of the above. You say only corporations make profit. So who pays for the welfare state, free high standard, not just efficient healthcare , free education, free housing for people who have no jobs.
@lmommsen The first time I walked around the streets in East Berlin I was really surprised at how much was available. I had come from Poland where then the shops were empty - although there was no shortage of Polish products in western Europe. That is socialism for you!
I must say that this certainly looks like a paradise for shoppers! Not only are the store windows brimming with goodies, but the happy couple consistently is holding more and more wrapped packages as they go on their way. So to repeat the words of another comment - the Berlin Wall must've been built to keep OUT all those jealous West Germans who were trying to get their hands on all this great stuff!
Its always propaganda if "they" say it and its simply reporting if "we" say it. The USA has propaganda spewing out every day now, always putting a positive spin on our miserable economy. The USA has much more powerful propaganda than this.
@indyfan22k Christmas is to celebrate winter times. But true times it has been changed like in Christianity you celebrate birth of Jesus and then Christmas was changed to as a gold mine for Capitalism to earn tons of cash.
@goodull Until 1959, both the GDR and the FRG flew the same flag. In 1959, the GDR placed it's coat of arms on it's own flag. So, it is East German. Some more proof is that at the end, the word, "Konsum," appears.
People voted and were given the choice, free elections were held. Over 90% of the population in the puppet states of the USSR with the puppet governments voted against the soviet socialist model. If the system was so good the system would have remained. Obviously the people didn't want it.
@lIIusive You don't know nothing about Communism, all you do is sit on that sandy beach in Australia and dream about some fake elections in Europe. Garunteed you have never even set foot on Asia or Europe. Where did you get this fake voting????? Capitalists who believe in capitalism??? If you see the real data and surveys over 60% of people in Eurasia would go for Communism. And obviosly it was probobly a survey you did on capitalists, so stfu.
Once again your full of shit, I m talking about Europe. The USSR regimes in Europe were puppets controlled by the Kremlin. Its a fact. Its also a fact when free elections were held the puppet parties experienced a 90% swing in the puppet controlled states. The real data speaks for itself. Furthermore if the communism system was so good it would get a large % of the seats in parliament today no matter what. It shows the system sucks, only has had real success in Moldova. Now fuck up.
@lIIusive Your full of shit, obviosly the USSR was a country and it had its own republics which it controled, dumbass. The people votied that way because they where fed american imperialist propoganda. Now fuck up, loser.
Haha you are just pathetic, 3.5 million Germans fled east Germany, East Germany suffered from shortages, health services were poor, education standards lacked. Decades earlier people tried uprising and soviet troops were forced in because a satellite state not even part of the actual USSR wanted a proper government that wasn't a puppet. Nothing you can to change this. The USSR was shit and always was. I ll have the last say in this, always do. always reply.
@lIIusive So i gues this will last for 10 years or so, i wil always have last say. In my previous comment i was talking about USSR mostly not GDR. And the Nazis where capitalists, and look at how many people they killed, the u.s, in all of its wars killed 3X more idosent civilians than Hitler.
Only the ACTUAL USSR with the exception of the one or two Baltic countries where 90% of the population wanted to succeed as they were forcibly forced into the USSR in the first place. Every single satellite state however such as Poland, Romania, etc was a total failure. It was in these areas where the USSR political system and any political system in history for that matter suffered the biggest swing in modern history.
You are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
No need to say anything more because you will just distort the fact.
ou are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
@lIIusive Theres no truth in what you say, i bet your obama's fallower thinking that obama is your god, WAKE UP USA KILLED 3X MORE PEOPLE THAN HITLER! And USSR was wayyyyyyyyyyy lower. You are a propoganda machine MR. Lllusive Illuminati.
Naa USSR killed 5 times more people in WW2 then America did in its entire history. You are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
@lIIusive You are a brainwasher scum, i can detect brainwashing, and i can detect it in your comments. 99% of the people USSR killed where Nazis, and not civilians. USA killed 3X more civilians than all people that hitler killed in all wars. I wont reply anymore to your comments, you brainwashing scum, go argue with 4-year-olds. Anyone else who sees this do not read his comments. and llusive i wont reply, you may cry.
You are what a person calls scum, you say I am brain washing when you are saying things about a corrupt political system that goes against all fact. Its ironic how a person like you says I m brainwashing when you are in fact the brainwasher. I don't expect anything different from a person that supports a corrupt system though, its only natural.
@vilnius194 99% of the ussr killed where NOT nazis. Look at the great famine in 1930s you lost million of your own people. Just look up gulag. You are not a russian becasue you would know this. The united states did not kill 75 million civillions. (3x the number killed by the nazis) We have the lowest civillion casualty rate in the world after israel. Any other comments youd like me to debunk? Commuism failed misrably. Look at our zones (germany uk japan) soviet zone (Ukraine, north korea)
@meronmotors I have met many people from the former communist countries of Eastern Europe. Most of them said they preferred it back then. Only one said it was bad and that his father was imprisoned for political activity. Why don't you look this subject up on the web and see for yourself what the citizens of these countries really thought about communism. It's interesting and suprising!
@MrLion1885 .. my partner is Czech. She and most Czechs of her generation detest the Russians even now, and says the communist years were really grim. Only hard line communists here look back fondly on the occupation years!
@82648947 Well strangely enough, the person I knew who's father was imprisoned was from Czechoslovakia! Please don't think I believe it was all a paradise in the Eastern block, but I am sure it was not as a bad as Western propaganda made out, and there obviously were many positive aspects to living in a socialst society, as can be seen from the recent opinion polls from those countries.
@MrLion1885 " there obviously were many positive aspects to living in a socialst society ". Well, my partner who was born in Cz in 1969 obviously grew up under a socialist regime..she has tried hard but cannot think of a single positive aspec for ordinary citizenst!! There were advantages for the privileged few, senior party members etc. There were similar stores to "Konsum", but they often had empty shelves as well..the queues for basics (toilet paper for example) were not too much fun.
@82648947 "Queues for toilet paper"? Definately a problem in the economic planning programme there! Still, possibly not as bad as living in a nation where there is a permanent shortage of affordable housing for people. But still at least we're free!
@MrLion1885 ------------But still at least we're free!----------->Tell that to the TSA. The East German Stassi had detailed records of over 33 percent of the population in archives. This is surely bad, but USA police have access to detailed records of 99 percent of the population via simple mouse click.
I guess I have the freedom to call my leaders sons of goats, and in turn they give u the freedom to sleep w/o a roof on u r head. Nice trade!
@82648947 I saw both sides of the story and I am yet to find something that was better in the east. Everyone might have had a job but what was the use of that if you were better off on unemployment benefit in the west (with the chance of getting a job).
On the other hand I think the point of freedom of speech is often exaggerated at least as far as the 1980s were concerned. In Poland - the country I know best - it was not as bad as was often made out.
@82648947 ------------>Hardline communists and people who can't afford a PC w/ broadband access perhaps. I dunno about Czech Republic but Nostalgia is PRETTY HARDCORE in Europe, at least that was my impression of it. Only ppl who are happier now consist of u r white collar background.
I'll admit, in India we 2 were Socialist sort-a under Indra Gandhi. I eagerly welcomed neo-liberalization at first but now I wish I had 70s days back. U had less but life was less stressed and more chill.
@xxxdieselyyy2 Someone who wishes a return to the 1970s usually wishes to be forty years younger and without the medical problems of today. It gets to us all eventually!
@lIIusive ------------>Political voting can easily be rigged. Elections are broken down into all sorts of issues and even into regionalism! On one end, u have anti immigrants. On other end u have the CHurch. On the other, u have a plethora of petty regional and ethno nationalists. The successful political party is 1 which can strike alliances with as many smaller political outfits as possible- and these smaller outfits are sensational / emotion filled ones largely not issue based 1 lik Socialism
Comparatively speaking, East Germany was very prosperous; they were able to produce a lot more and better consumer goods than other socialist states, with the exception of perhaps Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Of course, this is a propaganda film so it's not necessarily reflective of reality; however, East Germany did have a pretty strong economic boom during the 1950's and 1960's that produced a decent standard of living.
True. They should have followed the Yugoslav economic model that allowed their citizens to work outside the country, bringing hard currency and consumer goods back in to the country; of course, that was impossible given that the Soviets had a stranglehold on East Germany as the front lines of their empire whereas Yugoslavia had broken away and pursued an independent course.
Either way, if you have to build a wall to keep people from leaving you're doing something wrong...
@Phabaitos True, they did have among the highest standards of living in the Eastern bloc. Even after the 60s, I'm sure it was fine, I once heard that the Ost Mark was on par with the English pound
Tru. Regardless, they really did have a pretty good standard of living provided you were comfortable with living in a Communist state. Compared to the utter poverty most of the world suffered through then and today, East Germany was a pretty nice place to live, authoritarianism aside.
@Phabaitos Exactly, but the authoritarianism wasnt as bad as the Western media claimed, it did do however a good job keeping out crime. All in all, there are quite an amount in the East that want the gov back, and in many of the warsaw pact countries, things didnt quite get better for them either after 89
too bad they really had to stand in line for toilet paper and stail bread.......if someone spotted a banana they would kill each other for one................. notice the suitcases for sale at the GDR Super store.......what for???They werent aloud to leave.......
@HirnStattGewalt wow that must have been exciting...........actually budapest is a beautiful place.....I would have stayed there if I had the chance,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
too bad they really had to stand in line for toilet paper and stail bread.......if someone spotted a banana they would kill each other for one.................
Wenn es das sozialistische Deutschland heut noch gäbe, wäre ich ein stolzer Bürger der DDR! If Socialist Germany still existed, I would be a proud citizen of the GDR!
Go to Haiti, than you see what liberalism looks like! Cuba is the most developed country in the region besides the capitalist countries. The GDR was a high developed industrial country, without the money system it would still exist today. Look at the crime rate for example! In the US more people were executed than people shot at the GDR-border.
You are a dipshit, Cuba is a shithole, animals in shelters are kept in cleaner conditions than Cubans in their own hospitals.
In Cuba, they still drive old T-model Fords with a jigsaw puzzle of any other car parts onto them just to keep the car running, cops arresting you in the streets just for your bribe & infrastructure to shit. You have never been to Cuba, you are a dumb socialist pinko.
Cuba is a developing country, for that it has a very good health care system. New york firefighters went to cuba for medicine, because they have no health insurance.
The life expectency in cuba is like in industrial countries. They have a lot of doctors, everything is free and everbody becomes the same. You shouldn't forget that, the US sanction Cuba. What they drive? Who cares? People from Haiti comes to cuba to get a better life, they don't want drive a car.
Look at the corruption rate in capitalist countries! Many western countries has more corruption than Cuba. Look at the facts! You may compare cuba with haiti or a other country in this poor region! Also, im not a communist, but i respect the people who want it and the achievements. Im not ignorant and think that capitalism is the best. Look at the facts! How many people are dying in the US for nothing! As a german, i think Denmark has the best system, socialism AND liberalism.
Have you ever been here? You don't know what you are talking about. TODAY, most people in East Germany wish their old country back, because capitalism sucks.
Im NOT a socialist, im a social capitalist, that's Europe and it is successfull. Look at the crime rate, life expectancy, economic power, the educated und cultivated people!
For 60 years, Europe was completely destroyed, come over here and i show you how a modern country loooks like.
And yeah, i would to prefer to go to Cuba and not to go to Haiti. But Cuba is not socialism at its best. Also, North Korea isn't socialistic, Zimbabwe has nothing to do with socialism, too. That's ridiculous! The GDR was nearly a good socialistic country, but i repeat, im not a socialist, i am a social capitalist, how it is in Denmark or Norway. By the way, im a economic student, i know what I'm talking.
You are an economic STUDENT & you think you know everything.
You have never lived in the real world or had to risk big dollars, you are fed socialist lies by your professors who have spent their whole lives in school.
The only thing you know what you are talking about is how to roll a condom on a cucumber, that is all you are able to graduate with & after university you can read the packet of the contraceptive pill.
You sound like the guy who spat on a returned German Soldier.
Crime rate: Look it up! Our crime rates are the lowest in the world, without death penalty and our prisons aren't overloaded like in the US. Also Britain isn't Europe, Britain has one of the highest crime rate in Europe.
Inventions: LOL! ok, Australia invented the .... oh nothing LOL! Hahaha!
Without the socialstic federal Germany you have nothing, nothing you were a nobody.
The life expectancy rate is relatively to the population. The DDR produced computers, cars and computerchips. Do you know ZEISS? No? Shut up! The GDP of the DDR in the 1970 was higher than the GDP of the UK at the same time.
When you crap on about "relatively" & "proportionately" about subjects, I can tell you are reading from a script.
But, hey, you are just a STUDENT afterall & probably think you know everything all because you believe marijuana doesn't harm you, when others see you parading around like a twat.
Also, without the Germans, the world would never have been on the moon. There would be no modern cars. Even the Japanese copy us. Most inventions come from Germany. The welfare state is a German invention. We were one of the first countries without the death penalty after the Second World War. No other country has such a modern railway network. German highways are the best in the world.
Here are some german capital-socialist inventions, of which the world has benefited: Airbag, Aspirin, Car, chipcard, computer (Zuse), Diesel Engine, jet engine, rocket, tv, hybrid, motorbike, helicopter, scanner, mp3 player, Toothpaste. What invented Australia? Hm LOL! Nothing!
Our forefathers have fired rail guns in Europe, as you had not even a power cable laid in Australia. Come over here and look at our industrial areas along! Krupp, Bayer, BASF, VW, that are corporations, you are dreaming from today. This is the pride of the Germans, we had jet planes, while you hunted Kangeroos. We don't need advice from an underdeveloped country and from an asshole.
West Germany invented products, all East Germany could invent was a larger wall to stop people climbing & had to collect aid from the west to keep them functioning.
If socialism is so great, why did the USSR & DDR collapse when Thatcher & Regan stopped handing Moscow money?
Ahhhh, you weren't taught that in your economics class, now go & roll another joint.
"Nazi Germany wasn't East Germany." Both were socialist states! And the federal republic has also socialistic things, mixed with capitalism, called "soziale Marktwirtschaft" means social market economy. The DDR collapsed, because of the finance system, the states hadn't enough growth to paid the interest rates, that's all.
National Socialist is different from Communist Socialism.
The West allowed people to make money & spend it on whatever, the East allowed people to make money but take it off them & give everybody else the "fair share."
I wonder what you would think about socialism if you were able to earn $12m per-year as a CEO of a company & the government took all but $200 per-week away from you & said "We have to spread the wealth"?
Nationalsocialism, Socialism, it's quite the same. Both strengthen the community, also the social economy does it. Some things were bad, the most is our Strength.
I would never forget the community, nobody in the world knows, how it is to be a part of community, to live in Germany. Anglian capitalism would destroy it, but we europeans defend it. And again, look at the crime rate in the DDR! In the US more people are in prisons than in the DDR were, Is that freedom? NO!
Yeah, right, if you break the law, you go to prison, but the world is more complex as you think. Crime has a reason, people aren't born as criminals, the society makes them to criminals. And the crime rate in Europe, in the GDR was/is very low, that's the point, because our society has a better social structure, with much state care. The community is our life, that's the reason why we are strong. The power of the community unleashed amazing forces.
@B190489 society can't make people into criminals. People become criminals by their own bad choices. GDR crime was low because people were so afraid of the government just like how North Korea has low crime rate.
"People become criminals by their own bad choices." Can't count how often i've heard this propaganda in US-Movies like Batman.
Of course the society makes their criminals, look a the crime rate in the US and the crime rate in Europe, not only GDR! People here have less respect for the gov than people in your country. The police here is a joke. Have you ever been in Europe? Americans know nothing about peace and the social community.
There are many aspects, one is that the society in the US let people alone, the state let the people alone, they don't care about the poor people, no health insurance, no money, no work, no good education, no system where criminals will be resocialized like in Europe. Look at our relapse quote and we have no death penalty. We don't breed monsters in our prisons, we help humans, they are sick, they will be cured here.
@B190489 In the U.S, we don't need a big government because when government gets bigger, personal freedoms decrease. Also hold on, in your view "Just because government won't take care of me and I'm poor, I'm going to be a criminal and do all sorts of bad stuff." That's terrible. Also how will you cure a murdering psychopath or a pedophile? People that those should be locked away so they won't hurt anyone else in society
Personal Freedom is good, but not the only thing the world that is good. Liberalism is shit, we need socialism, without the money system, the GDR had never collapsed, so it works, i know it, my parents have lived there, they weren't rich, but they had all what humans need, no unuseful thinks like cars with 300 hp. They were happy, the neighbours were friendly, the doctor has lived with the nurses, the engineer with the cleaner, no crime no violence no fear, no greed.
people that like socialism piss me off simply because they are usually just as greedy as the people they claim to hate.
tyseibert 2 weeks ago
@tyseibert what about lenin? he spent no party funds on himself, only on furthering its progress, he was said to work up to 16 hours a day and spent no time with luxury objects or goods.
Adonnus100 2 weeks ago
@Adonnus100 Lenin was probably a good person. I really don't know much about him but my point is that all these liberal occupy wall street people just want free shit that they didn't work for. Don't think I'm a crazy capitalist because I understand that the bailouts we did totally ripped everyone off. What we have in America is corporatism not capitalism. Capitalism would have destroyed all of these big corrupt banks.
tyseibert 2 weeks ago
@tyseibert the fact that you have used the word 'liberal' as an insult (which BTW in the rest of the English speaking world means conservative) probably means you are a radical right-wing republican and you really shouldn't be here.
Adonnus100 2 weeks ago
@Adonnus100 lol good job on trying to get off point by calling me a right wing radical lmao. I said Liberal about people in new york and not london or sydney so it doesn't really matter if it means something else in other english speaking countries lol What word do you want me to use? Leftists, democrats, liberals, socialists, communists? All of those words mean something more than how they're perceived so fuck off with your vocab lessons. You don't know what capitalism is.
tyseibert 1 week ago
@tyseibert typical ignorant american, look around at how your country is failing because of capitalism, corporatism IS part of capitalism, capitalists will deny that and think that 'freedom is the only way yeah' when it is not freedom, except for big businesses. i really couldn't give a shit about how much your country fails, and frankly neither could you if you are supporting the thing that is destroying your country
Adonnus100 1 week ago
@Adonnus100 There would have been no bailouts in capitalism. There would be no TARP funding in capitalism. Those corporations would have got raped by the economy if capitalism was in play. They didn't because we don't have capitalism anymore. In capitalism you're rewarded if you make good decisions, and punished if you made bad ones. I've lived in Europe and I would not trade America for Europe.
tyseibert 18 hours ago
@tyseibert you must see reality,obama is a tyrant who seeks to stifle our free speech, and destroy the internet with lies, hypocrisy, censorship, and spying! occupy wall street was about the fat bastards who took over the government and crashed the economy! i am not at all against capitalism or communism, i am just against the government that seeks to oppress our pursuit of capitalism! i am not here to to insult you, communism, or capitalism, but the government must change!
natedash11 1 week ago
@natedash11 I don't know why this is directed at me lol I'm a Ron Paul supporter so I pretty much agree with most of what you said.
tyseibert 1 week ago
@tyseibert i was just going off on a rant, i apologize for that, but i will say that the argument you and Adonnus100 had was sort of uncalled for, then again, so was my ranting.
natedash11 2 days ago
You fucking Communists are a joke. Read Sowell's "Basic Economics" for starters. There's NOTHING wrong with advocating for labor or protecting your labor market but these problems you imagine only are remedied in a free market, price coordinated economy.
IrminC 3 weeks ago
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SOYUZ1968 4 weeks ago
LOOK AT EAST GERMAN EMPERORS TRUE CHAMPAGNES DUSOLFDORF CHAMPAINGES OF THE DDR-COMPUTER MEMORY CHAMPAGNES OF EAST DEMOCRATIC REPBULIC EMPERORS CHAMPAIGHNES BEATS West German Capitalist Depression Trash-Garbage Drinks!!!!!!
Jules7892 1 month ago
Just as good (or just as suckish) as life in the "free" West around the same time (minus the U.S). In the Netherlands sugar was rationed until 1957. Homes were in short supply until the 1970s.
AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
Check on June 17th 1953 revolt in East Germany. I a curious, did you grow up in the DDR? You are right the 50's was not a great time anywhere in Europe my grandfather had to bring washing machines and basic necessities to Norway during the 50's, but life under Stalin in Eastern Europe I can't imagine that was a real enjoyable time.
TheGophers11 1 month ago
@TheGophers11 I am Dutch, I am from the "Free" West. From the country that was coerced by the United States to give up Indonesia (while they supported the COMMUNIST rebels) and send troops to fight in Korea or they would stop giving us the Marshall aid. In the Netherlands it took until 1957 until rationing was a thing of the past. Until the 1970s until there were houses for everyone. I can imagine that the people on the other side of the Wall were not having a good time either.
AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
@AmersfoortTristan But life in the West wasn't rosy either. Did you know that NATO supported dictatorships in Portugal, Spain, Turkey and Greece at that same time ?
AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
Of course I am an American but I do not agree with a lot of things are stupid government does, I dont agree with this stiff arm tactics as do a lot of Americans. Why we have to be involved now in Libiya as our president did this with out congressional aproval. I have been to Anne Franks house, God bless your great country for your brave courge in standing up against evil. My Norwegian relatives also fought to protect Jewish people. So happy news and best wishes in 2012
TheGophers11 1 month ago
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AmersfoortTristan 1 month ago
nazis
toughserb145 1 month ago
@alanheath I was told at the time that Berlin in particular and the DDR in general was one of the bright spots in the East Bloc economy. I have no first hand knowledge of this, though I did visit northern Yugoslavia in the 80's. They had many goods in their stores but the things I saw were also of a poorer quality than in the West at the time. We still had a nice time there.
lmommsen 2 months ago
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Fucking communist shit brainwashing the habitants of east germany, u feel bad for east german ppl who got brainwashed by fucking soviet dogs, Sieg Heil!!!
cryteeek 3 months ago
Great Video! Thanks! I also remember shopping in East German Stores in Berlin in the late '80's. The goods were of terrible quality, when you could get them. But the prices were low! Entirely due to the heavy State subsidy the they could not afford. Sounds like the direction we in the West seem to be headed in right now. Will we ever learn even when we have the examples of the total failure of socialism that we have in the former-Soviet bloc countries?
lmommsen 3 months ago
@lmommsen i would rather have poor quality food than die due to lack of healthcare. capitalist pig
Adonnus100 2 months ago 15
@Adonnus100
Coherently, who support the capitalism should not call a public ambulance to be transported to a decent public hospital if he had a stroke or an heart infarction.....
SOYUZ1968 1 month ago 6
@SOYUZ1968 He might change his mind on public health when he is about to die. Too bad many don't realize that sooner.
Adonnus100 1 month ago
Oh so where do you get the taxes to pay for your hospitals? Small businesses and companies. Or maybe if you sit on your dead sucking off public troft maybe you should not call the ambulance either
TheGophers11 1 month ago
@TheGophers11
It's not necessary to pay taxes for a wealfare state in a real Socialist Country: it's already obvious granted services for everybody, with a general policy of working time so comfortable for the workers because it's managed at quinquennal plans. Healthy and not stressing time at job means increased health for the workers....and also a development, ecocompatible and at measure for human being, with no stress also for the natural resources, means GENERAL PROGRESS FOR EVERYBODY
SOYUZ1968 1 month ago
I have relatives in Norway they pay high taxes, but maybe it would not be a Socialist Country but they do get a lot of services. I am American we do not follow our constitution I think we should through these bumb politicians out they are very corrupt so a lot of people protest. What country do you live in? I have been to Ukraine on the Black Sea a lot of nice girls a lot better then junky Minnesota Feminists who are too independent and dont respect a man as head of family C HOBblM Godom Xoposho
TheGophers11 1 month ago
@TheGophers11
Min kjære, Jeg bodde i Norge også....jeg vet ikke Minnesota Feminists: er De liksom Illinois' Nazists?
SOYUZ1968 1 month ago
Dav, hvordan gar, bor du i Norge ? Min morfar kommer fra Sogne Fjord det smuke. Jeg elsker Norge og Norske volk. Nu jeg elsker Ukrainian Piger det er miget smuke og ikke feminist. Sa godt nu ar fra Minnesota min venner: Vi skaler med vore venner og dem sa vi kender og dem vi ikke kender vi skaler vi med
Skal Skal tak for dag
TheGophers11 4 weeks ago
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@TheGophers11
"Ukrainske pikene" du mener....ukranian piger lyder Ukrania pigs....du må lære bedre norsk men også jeg må...Sognefjørd er spennende! Ha det bra og lykkelig ny år!
SOYUZ1968 4 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 Soviet Union faced bankrupcy, I don't know about any other countries but food and other shortages weren't made up and they were caused by Socialist system. The fact is- the system doesn't work, people are lazy as species, no matter how much propaganda you put, they won't work... if you employ 100% of people not all of them will work anyway but will find ways not to work and harm production (as happened in Soviet Union), if you remove natural competion and substitute with state compet
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
@lkrnpk
In capitalistic nations there are people not paying taxes and probably they, the same people, should have been working for black market in a Socialist state...The difference is: why I have to work paying taxes, working for a private vampire entrepreneur not paying taxes, to eat, have healthcare and a general welfare state, also thinking to my elderly age, and a home (after asking money to a bank)????
SOYUZ1968 3 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 then people will fake numbers as their salary won't depend on success in competition but on ability to cheat- that's what happened in Soviet Union, farms, factories etc. faked their production numbers, sold their products in black market etc. just to fill the plan set by the government and therefore there were shortages and big black market... It just doesn't work, mainly because of people who are in general not interested in advancement, competition just because of the sake of it
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 in capitalism if you're lazy or have no education = you'll be poor and without a job, in socialism= if you're lazy or no education you'll still get a job and decent salary = but you'll perform bad at your work place anyway and will harm economy. In socialism many people ddn't go to universities as there was no point, you couldn't get rich you couldn't earn much more there... therefore the country lost many possible leaders who stayed to work as simple workers in farms or factories
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 therefore Socialism fails because of human nature, if we all were bent on advancement, inventing new things, doing our job better every day, education (plus we would be happy to choose from 2-3 models of tv not 1000 and would be glad we have the same stuff as our neighbours have and wouldn't want to be different than they) etc. then Socialism would thrive, unfortunately or fortunately the vast majority of us are Mr. Simpsons who have to be motivated to just do a job.
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 SU was full of Homer Simpsons in the governmenent, in farms, factories etc. not interested in eny advancement as there was nothing in that advancement for them really, no real benefit as getting rich etc., they just faked numbers and used any opportunity not to work (or stole from their own companies, collective farms and sold stuff in black market as it was the only way to get richer in socialism and be above the socialist middle-class if we can call it like that.
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
@SOYUZ1968 yeah, there was no poor people in Soviet Union and no rich people too but that's why it failed. Majority of people are lazy and never want anything more than they have and there is place for them in capitalism, low paid jobs and social benefits... in SU people like that if had some education could be presidents of farms or companies (as there was no competition in job market, jobs were given to everyone), others are those who want more and under socialism only wa to get ther was steal
lkrnpk 3 weeks ago
You mean you would rather have subpar health care give all your rights and freedoms away to live in a workers paridise, well why dont you move to Cuba or better yet North Korea they have free healthcare. My girlfriend lived under communism why doesnt she mee move here and you go to her People's Republic. So go for it move someplace so you don't have to work and someone else can think for you too Socialims is a failed system. Crony Capitalim is the problem free markets are good
TheGophers11 1 month ago
@TheGophers11 You think China is socialist? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Adonnus100 1 month ago
@TheGophers11
No doubt that capitalism has its merits but do you honestly expect ANYONE to believe capitalist countries have problem free markets? I'm finding it hard not to laugh considering the global economy these days. I mean you no disrespect. I just cant completely agree with that statement.
summer20105707 1 month ago
First of thank you for not swearing some people who disagree with you say f... this. Anyway what mean by cronly capitalism is a company giving favors to certian political parties as long as they vote a certian way, this is not a free market and this corruption is both government and big corperations fault. What you need to do is start your own business, preferably online and work together with others. Don't look for government to help out they have no money. So samall business is good
TheGophers11 1 month ago
@TheGophers11
Your welcome. After all if you give people respect you deserve respect. :)
summer20105707 1 month ago
@TheGophers11 East Germany was not the true Marxist Communism niger
britainmalbangkok 1 month ago
@Adonnus100 Why do Soviets have one of the lowest life expectancy of the civilized world? 65 compared to the US 78. Remember that number for U.S. is diluted due to immigrants. Capitalist Pigs check facts before using low mentality quality due to lack of a decent education system. Admire India, your burgeoning intellectual mecca to the south. Too much Vodka might also lead to earlier deaths, or deaths due to drunken vodka brawls. Russians forget their past. Why remember Stalin's Famine.
kinkslola 3 weeks ago
@Adonnus100 was healthcare better in the DDR than in West Germany?
1middlesbrough 3 weeks ago
@1middlesbrough universal healthcare was guaranteed in East Germany for everyone and the centralized system meant that patients were redirected quickly. by contrast not everyone was eligible for healthcare in DDR although what public healthcare was provided was usually good. By contrast the health care systems of Yugoslavia, DDR, USSR were much better that the almost entirely private USA system, and that is what I am comparing the DDR system to.
Adonnus100 3 weeks ago
@Adonnus100 i understand everyone was eligible for health care. But what was the standard of healthcare. The problem is communism does not earn enough money to pay for a high standard of healthcare like capitalist countries , not counting the US
1middlesbrough 2 weeks ago
@1middlesbrough you mean 'socialism' communism as an economic system has never been tried before. the DDR had efficient public health systems of which many methods were copied and used in scandanavian countries like Denmark and Finland. Capitalism does generate more money than socialism - BUT only for the profit of corporations. Of course, do you ever hear about corporations putting profits into public healthcare? No. That is what a socialist system does.
Adonnus100 2 weeks ago
@Adonnus100 Socialism is where people work within a democratic framework and tolerate other points of view. Communism or extreme socialism forced on East Germany by the soviet union was did not any of the above. You say only corporations make profit. So who pays for the welfare state, free high standard, not just efficient healthcare , free education, free housing for people who have no jobs.
1middlesbrough 2 weeks ago
@lmommsen The first time I walked around the streets in East Berlin I was really surprised at how much was available. I had come from Poland where then the shops were empty - although there was no shortage of Polish products in western Europe. That is socialism for you!
alanheath 2 months ago
I must say that this certainly looks like a paradise for shoppers! Not only are the store windows brimming with goodies, but the happy couple consistently is holding more and more wrapped packages as they go on their way. So to repeat the words of another comment - the Berlin Wall must've been built to keep OUT all those jealous West Germans who were trying to get their hands on all this great stuff!
hebneh 3 months ago
Heil!
youngdones 5 months ago
0:52 I can hardly wait for Christmas.... and OH OH OH 1:14 Such a marvelous display!!! 1:58 There it is. My new camera, I always wanted
jondeare 6 months ago
I like looking at socialist history and videos. I prefer my capitalist lifestyle though, even with its faults.
bored1980 6 months ago
Its always propaganda if "they" say it and its simply reporting if "we" say it. The USA has propaganda spewing out every day now, always putting a positive spin on our miserable economy. The USA has much more powerful propaganda than this.
pgg804a 7 months ago
What kind of prosperous country needs a commercial?
angryrusski 7 months ago
fantasy world the reality was much more dark and bad
Heer88 7 months ago
It looks like a wonderful place! I'm on my way to the airport to catch the next flight!
froggy573 8 months ago
egalitarian sociailst ideals live with me.
12valvepower1 9 months ago
I can see now why the DDR had to build a wall around their socialist paradise -- to keep the jealous West out. It's so obvious now!
bladder1010 9 months ago
@bladder1010 HAHA that was a good one. Had I known it was so nice Id have jumped the wall into the east? Wait does that sound right?
meronmotors 8 months ago
I thought there were no Christmas in communist states - I thought Religious were not in Marxist-Leninist idealogical.
DavBlc7 9 months ago
@DavBlc7
Christmas has more to do with paganism and commercialism than Religion. Look up the origins of Christmas.
What shocks me is that a Communist country would allow a Lasiez Faire Capalistic holiday.
indyfan22k 9 months ago
@indyfan22k Christmas is to celebrate winter times. But true times it has been changed like in Christianity you celebrate birth of Jesus and then Christmas was changed to as a gold mine for Capitalism to earn tons of cash.
SMGJohn 9 months ago 3
@DavBlc7
Not in Germany. East Germany had Christmas.
summer20105707 1 month ago
In der DDR gab es vieles nicht.- z.B. keine Suppenküchen,keine Kinderarmut,keine Arbeitslosen,keine Türken usw.
carinhall1 9 months ago
@NCNSonny You are right, at 0:23 the plane carries a West German flag on its rudder.
goodull 10 months ago
@goodull Until 1959, both the GDR and the FRG flew the same flag. In 1959, the GDR placed it's coat of arms on it's own flag. So, it is East German. Some more proof is that at the end, the word, "Konsum," appears.
Syvorji 10 months ago
heheehehehe 1:44 " überall werden sie fachmännisch bedient und beraten" - "hamwanüsch....." war immer die Standartantwort .... :-D
CapitanoGUC 10 months ago
Death to democracy and capitalism!
Fattass yankees just had to fuck up the world!
FU west germany!
FU republic of germany!
vilnius194 11 months ago
@vilnius194
People voted and were given the choice, free elections were held. Over 90% of the population in the puppet states of the USSR with the puppet governments voted against the soviet socialist model. If the system was so good the system would have remained. Obviously the people didn't want it.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive You don't know nothing about Communism, all you do is sit on that sandy beach in Australia and dream about some fake elections in Europe. Garunteed you have never even set foot on Asia or Europe. Where did you get this fake voting????? Capitalists who believe in capitalism??? If you see the real data and surveys over 60% of people in Eurasia would go for Communism. And obviosly it was probobly a survey you did on capitalists, so stfu.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
Once again your full of shit, I m talking about Europe. The USSR regimes in Europe were puppets controlled by the Kremlin. Its a fact. Its also a fact when free elections were held the puppet parties experienced a 90% swing in the puppet controlled states. The real data speaks for itself. Furthermore if the communism system was so good it would get a large % of the seats in parliament today no matter what. It shows the system sucks, only has had real success in Moldova. Now fuck up.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive Your full of shit, obviosly the USSR was a country and it had its own republics which it controled, dumbass. The people votied that way because they where fed american imperialist propoganda. Now fuck up, loser.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
Haha you are just pathetic, 3.5 million Germans fled east Germany, East Germany suffered from shortages, health services were poor, education standards lacked. Decades earlier people tried uprising and soviet troops were forced in because a satellite state not even part of the actual USSR wanted a proper government that wasn't a puppet. Nothing you can to change this. The USSR was shit and always was. I ll have the last say in this, always do. always reply.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive So i gues this will last for 10 years or so, i wil always have last say. In my previous comment i was talking about USSR mostly not GDR. And the Nazis where capitalists, and look at how many people they killed, the u.s, in all of its wars killed 3X more idosent civilians than Hitler.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
Only the ACTUAL USSR with the exception of the one or two Baltic countries where 90% of the population wanted to succeed as they were forcibly forced into the USSR in the first place. Every single satellite state however such as Poland, Romania, etc was a total failure. It was in these areas where the USSR political system and any political system in history for that matter suffered the biggest swing in modern history.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive Talk, talk, is all you do. Just get over it, its just a comment and you made a big deal about it.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
Not talk only truth.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive Theres no truth in what you speak, just a bot. You are not even human and just a little propoganda bot, i don't talk to bots, sorry.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
A final sum up for you.
You are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive SPAMBOT DETECTED!!!!!!!! You keep on posting the same thing, I knew you where a bot the whole time!
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
No need to say anything more because you will just distort the fact.
ou are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive Theres no truth in what you say, i bet your obama's fallower thinking that obama is your god, WAKE UP USA KILLED 3X MORE PEOPLE THAN HITLER! And USSR was wayyyyyyyyyyy lower. You are a propoganda machine MR. Lllusive Illuminati.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
Naa USSR killed 5 times more people in WW2 then America did in its entire history. You are a troll that knows little of the world, make out the USSR to be something it is not. Ignore the fact there was the biggest political swing in history against the parties 90% making biggest failure of a political system in history, ignore the fact millions fled, industry was poor, everything were repressed, most of all everyone was living a lie. Whats more you know that's truth.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@lIIusive You are a brainwasher scum, i can detect brainwashing, and i can detect it in your comments. 99% of the people USSR killed where Nazis, and not civilians. USA killed 3X more civilians than all people that hitler killed in all wars. I wont reply anymore to your comments, you brainwashing scum, go argue with 4-year-olds. Anyone else who sees this do not read his comments. and llusive i wont reply, you may cry.
vilnius194 9 months ago
@vilnius194
You are what a person calls scum, you say I am brain washing when you are saying things about a corrupt political system that goes against all fact. Its ironic how a person like you says I m brainwashing when you are in fact the brainwasher. I don't expect anything different from a person that supports a corrupt system though, its only natural.
lIIusive 9 months ago
@vilnius194 99% of the ussr killed where NOT nazis. Look at the great famine in 1930s you lost million of your own people. Just look up gulag. You are not a russian becasue you would know this. The united states did not kill 75 million civillions. (3x the number killed by the nazis) We have the lowest civillion casualty rate in the world after israel. Any other comments youd like me to debunk? Commuism failed misrably. Look at our zones (germany uk japan) soviet zone (Ukraine, north korea)
meronmotors 8 months ago
@meronmotors You barely know shit, why do i have to reply to your trash? I wont! lol
vilnius194 8 months ago
@meronmotors I have met many people from the former communist countries of Eastern Europe. Most of them said they preferred it back then. Only one said it was bad and that his father was imprisoned for political activity. Why don't you look this subject up on the web and see for yourself what the citizens of these countries really thought about communism. It's interesting and suprising!
MrLion1885 6 months ago
@MrLion1885 .. my partner is Czech. She and most Czechs of her generation detest the Russians even now, and says the communist years were really grim. Only hard line communists here look back fondly on the occupation years!
82648947 6 months ago
@82648947 Well strangely enough, the person I knew who's father was imprisoned was from Czechoslovakia! Please don't think I believe it was all a paradise in the Eastern block, but I am sure it was not as a bad as Western propaganda made out, and there obviously were many positive aspects to living in a socialst society, as can be seen from the recent opinion polls from those countries.
MrLion1885 6 months ago
@MrLion1885 " there obviously were many positive aspects to living in a socialst society ". Well, my partner who was born in Cz in 1969 obviously grew up under a socialist regime..she has tried hard but cannot think of a single positive aspec for ordinary citizenst!! There were advantages for the privileged few, senior party members etc. There were similar stores to "Konsum", but they often had empty shelves as well..the queues for basics (toilet paper for example) were not too much fun.
82648947 6 months ago
@82648947 "Queues for toilet paper"? Definately a problem in the economic planning programme there! Still, possibly not as bad as living in a nation where there is a permanent shortage of affordable housing for people. But still at least we're free!
MrLion1885 6 months ago
@MrLion1885 ------------But still at least we're free!----------->Tell that to the TSA. The East German Stassi had detailed records of over 33 percent of the population in archives. This is surely bad, but USA police have access to detailed records of 99 percent of the population via simple mouse click.
I guess I have the freedom to call my leaders sons of goats, and in turn they give u the freedom to sleep w/o a roof on u r head. Nice trade!
xxxdieselyyy2 6 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 Ha,Ha ! Loved your last statement! Well said!
MrLion1885 5 months ago
@82648947 I saw both sides of the story and I am yet to find something that was better in the east. Everyone might have had a job but what was the use of that if you were better off on unemployment benefit in the west (with the chance of getting a job).
On the other hand I think the point of freedom of speech is often exaggerated at least as far as the 1980s were concerned. In Poland - the country I know best - it was not as bad as was often made out.
alanheath 5 months ago
@82648947 ------------>Hardline communists and people who can't afford a PC w/ broadband access perhaps. I dunno about Czech Republic but Nostalgia is PRETTY HARDCORE in Europe, at least that was my impression of it. Only ppl who are happier now consist of u r white collar background.
I'll admit, in India we 2 were Socialist sort-a under Indra Gandhi. I eagerly welcomed neo-liberalization at first but now I wish I had 70s days back. U had less but life was less stressed and more chill.
xxxdieselyyy2 5 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 Someone who wishes a return to the 1970s usually wishes to be forty years younger and without the medical problems of today. It gets to us all eventually!
alanheath 5 months ago
@lIIusive ------------>Political voting can easily be rigged. Elections are broken down into all sorts of issues and even into regionalism! On one end, u have anti immigrants. On other end u have the CHurch. On the other, u have a plethora of petty regional and ethno nationalists. The successful political party is 1 which can strike alliances with as many smaller political outfits as possible- and these smaller outfits are sensational / emotion filled ones largely not issue based 1 lik Socialism
xxxdieselyyy2 5 months ago
Those shops look very well stocked with consumer items.
OrodesIII 1 year ago
@OrodesIII
Comparatively speaking, East Germany was very prosperous; they were able to produce a lot more and better consumer goods than other socialist states, with the exception of perhaps Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Of course, this is a propaganda film so it's not necessarily reflective of reality; however, East Germany did have a pretty strong economic boom during the 1950's and 1960's that produced a decent standard of living.
Phabaitos 1 year ago
Which was completely unsustainable after the wall went up.
halfbacklead 1 year ago
@halfbacklead
True. They should have followed the Yugoslav economic model that allowed their citizens to work outside the country, bringing hard currency and consumer goods back in to the country; of course, that was impossible given that the Soviets had a stranglehold on East Germany as the front lines of their empire whereas Yugoslavia had broken away and pursued an independent course.
Either way, if you have to build a wall to keep people from leaving you're doing something wrong...
Phabaitos 11 months ago
@Phabaitos If only ALL of Berlin was integrated as DDR, there wouldnt have been a wall
slimv29 11 months ago
@Phabaitos True, they did have among the highest standards of living in the Eastern bloc. Even after the 60s, I'm sure it was fine, I once heard that the Ost Mark was on par with the English pound
slimv29 11 months ago
@slimv29
Tru. Regardless, they really did have a pretty good standard of living provided you were comfortable with living in a Communist state. Compared to the utter poverty most of the world suffered through then and today, East Germany was a pretty nice place to live, authoritarianism aside.
Phabaitos 9 months ago
@Phabaitos Exactly, but the authoritarianism wasnt as bad as the Western media claimed, it did do however a good job keeping out crime. All in all, there are quite an amount in the East that want the gov back, and in many of the warsaw pact countries, things didnt quite get better for them either after 89
slimv29 9 months ago
That's great xD
Majestic12200 1 year ago
life in east germany was even much better than in north korea now sad~~
mathozero 1 year ago
THX East Germany
sydbarrett1963 1 year ago
gay
ToothyGus 1 year ago
0:51 Out past curfew comrad? for this you will be send to Gulag da?
lepban 1 year ago
Saw the electric train set at 1:19. How did those work?
98402F 1 year ago
too bad they really had to stand in line for toilet paper and stail bread.......if someone spotted a banana they would kill each other for one................. notice the suitcases for sale at the GDR Super store.......what for???They werent aloud to leave.......
MrTommypops 1 year ago
@MrTommypops
they were able to travel within the GDR or go to the CSSR or hungary!
HirnStattGewalt 1 year ago
@HirnStattGewalt wow that must have been exciting...........actually budapest is a beautiful place.....I would have stayed there if I had the chance,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
MrTommypops 1 year ago
@MrTommypops Did you notice the cameras as well? Take a picture and you are never seen nor heard from again!
Indygoguy 1 year ago
@MrTommypops
Wouldn't they have been allowed to go to another communist country if they applied for the proper passport and visas?
summer20105707 1 month ago
too bad they really had to stand in line for toilet paper and stail bread.......if someone spotted a banana they would kill each other for one.................
MrTommypops 1 year ago
the snow looks so fake!!
MaestroFire 1 year ago
Konsum never had shit. Everything was fucking rationed and there was no good selection. I hated that fucking store.
drunkenstooge 1 year ago
plz bring back east germany
brettsworld99 1 year ago
@brettsworld99 It's in the earth, you can join it anytime you want, all you need to do is kill yourself so you are as dead as the communist lie.
Indygoguy 1 year ago
gutte alte osten haha
tyman396 1 year ago
Cozy.
Waffeletten89 1 year ago
@benutzer2991502022
What for Propaganda? Look at the crime rate!
B190489 1 year ago 10
@B190489 The crimes of the STASI?
benutzer29915022 11 months ago
Germany 4 - 0 Argentina
That is the spirit of the community!
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 haha
yeosei5533 1 year ago
They have the greatest actor of all time to be proud of. Schultzy from Hogan's Heroes. Also, with a nod to Colonel Klink and General Burghalter.
rickb89 1 year ago
Were the stores EVER that full?
Ronbo710 1 year ago
Wenn es das sozialistische Deutschland heut noch gäbe, wäre ich ein stolzer Bürger der DDR! If Socialist Germany still existed, I would be a proud citizen of the GDR!
rotfront84 1 year ago
@rotfront84
Ahhh, yeah socialism is so "great" you dope.
Go & have a holiday in Cuba & see what der DDR used to be like.
Soviet Socialism is so fucked up, they has to shoot people to stop leaving.
You are an insult to the East Germans who died fleeing the East to give you the freedom you have today to have internet & speak like a dope.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Go to Haiti, than you see what liberalism looks like! Cuba is the most developed country in the region besides the capitalist countries. The GDR was a high developed industrial country, without the money system it would still exist today. Look at the crime rate for example! In the US more people were executed than people shot at the GDR-border.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
You are a dipshit, Cuba is a shithole, animals in shelters are kept in cleaner conditions than Cubans in their own hospitals.
In Cuba, they still drive old T-model Fords with a jigsaw puzzle of any other car parts onto them just to keep the car running, cops arresting you in the streets just for your bribe & infrastructure to shit. You have never been to Cuba, you are a dumb socialist pinko.
Without America, you wouldn't have a Germany.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Cuba is a developing country, for that it has a very good health care system. New york firefighters went to cuba for medicine, because they have no health insurance.
The life expectency in cuba is like in industrial countries. They have a lot of doctors, everything is free and everbody becomes the same. You shouldn't forget that, the US sanction Cuba. What they drive? Who cares? People from Haiti comes to cuba to get a better life, they don't want drive a car.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 yeah Cuba is so great that hundreds of thousands of them have escaped to Florida.
spencerny 1 year ago
@spencerny
Cuba is so nice, that people come from Haiti. Firefighters from 9/11 have to go to cuba, watch "Sicko" from Michael Moore!
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
LIES!
krazygrrrl 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Look at the corruption rate in capitalist countries! Many western countries has more corruption than Cuba. Look at the facts! You may compare cuba with haiti or a other country in this poor region! Also, im not a communist, but i respect the people who want it and the achievements. Im not ignorant and think that capitalism is the best. Look at the facts! How many people are dying in the US for nothing! As a german, i think Denmark has the best system, socialism AND liberalism.
B190489 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
The ideas of the Enlightenment was not only the freedom but also the equality.
But that means only a European. No American, Canadian or Aussie understand it, only a few.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
Europe is a shithole.
Your continent is too busy legalizing drugs, buttsex, animal porn & paying refugees to spend a lifetime on their arse all at the taxpayers expense.
Europe is doomed, your quality of life is shit, you spend half of your life catching trains, riding bikes, car free days or looking at castles.
Socialism has failed, that is why the Berlin Wall fell.
If socialism is so good, then move to Cuba, North Korea or Zimbabwe then, see it with your own eyes & not quote a script
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Have you ever been here? You don't know what you are talking about. TODAY, most people in East Germany wish their old country back, because capitalism sucks.
Im NOT a socialist, im a social capitalist, that's Europe and it is successfull. Look at the crime rate, life expectancy, economic power, the educated und cultivated people!
For 60 years, Europe was completely destroyed, come over here and i show you how a modern country loooks like.
B190489 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
And yeah, i would to prefer to go to Cuba and not to go to Haiti. But Cuba is not socialism at its best. Also, North Korea isn't socialistic, Zimbabwe has nothing to do with socialism, too. That's ridiculous! The GDR was nearly a good socialistic country, but i repeat, im not a socialist, i am a social capitalist, how it is in Denmark or Norway. By the way, im a economic student, i know what I'm talking.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
You are an economic STUDENT & you think you know everything.
You have never lived in the real world or had to risk big dollars, you are fed socialist lies by your professors who have spent their whole lives in school.
The only thing you know what you are talking about is how to roll a condom on a cucumber, that is all you are able to graduate with & after university you can read the packet of the contraceptive pill.
You sound like the guy who spat on a returned German Soldier.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Hahahaha! You are so stupid and funny. Hahaha!
Crime rate: Look it up! Our crime rates are the lowest in the world, without death penalty and our prisons aren't overloaded like in the US. Also Britain isn't Europe, Britain has one of the highest crime rate in Europe.
Inventions: LOL! ok, Australia invented the .... oh nothing LOL! Hahaha!
Without the socialstic federal Germany you have nothing, nothing you were a nobody.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
The USA has a population of 380 million.
How many people does Germany have?
Germany, not that 21st century USSR you call The European Union.
What percentage of The USA's prison population is black, hispanic & white?
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
The life expectancy rate is relatively to the population. The DDR produced computers, cars and computerchips. Do you know ZEISS? No? Shut up! The GDP of the DDR in the 1970 was higher than the GDP of the UK at the same time.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
When you crap on about "relatively" & "proportionately" about subjects, I can tell you are reading from a script.
But, hey, you are just a STUDENT afterall & probably think you know everything all because you believe marijuana doesn't harm you, when others see you parading around like a twat.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Also, without the Germans, the world would never have been on the moon. There would be no modern cars. Even the Japanese copy us. Most inventions come from Germany. The welfare state is a German invention. We were one of the first countries without the death penalty after the Second World War. No other country has such a modern railway network. German highways are the best in the world.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
You are proud of abolishing the death penalty, no wonder Europe has to legalize crime to keep the jails vacant.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Here are some german capital-socialist inventions, of which the world has benefited: Airbag, Aspirin, Car, chipcard, computer (Zuse), Diesel Engine, jet engine, rocket, tv, hybrid, motorbike, helicopter, scanner, mp3 player, Toothpaste. What invented Australia? Hm LOL! Nothing!
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
If you are so smart as an economics STUDENT then surely you know what Australia has invented.
But you are a dumb teenage squirt.
You are the load your mother should've swallowed, as you have as much use to this planet as a Gillette commercial in a Shi'ite cable tv station.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Our forefathers have fired rail guns in Europe, as you had not even a power cable laid in Australia. Come over here and look at our industrial areas along! Krupp, Bayer, BASF, VW, that are corporations, you are dreaming from today. This is the pride of the Germans, we had jet planes, while you hunted Kangeroos. We don't need advice from an underdeveloped country and from an asshole.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
Nazi Germany wasn't East Germany.
West Germany invented products, all East Germany could invent was a larger wall to stop people climbing & had to collect aid from the west to keep them functioning.
If socialism is so great, why did the USSR & DDR collapse when Thatcher & Regan stopped handing Moscow money?
Ahhhh, you weren't taught that in your economics class, now go & roll another joint.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
"Nazi Germany wasn't East Germany." Both were socialist states! And the federal republic has also socialistic things, mixed with capitalism, called "soziale Marktwirtschaft" means social market economy. The DDR collapsed, because of the finance system, the states hadn't enough growth to paid the interest rates, that's all.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
National Socialist is different from Communist Socialism.
The West allowed people to make money & spend it on whatever, the East allowed people to make money but take it off them & give everybody else the "fair share."
I wonder what you would think about socialism if you were able to earn $12m per-year as a CEO of a company & the government took all but $200 per-week away from you & said "We have to spread the wealth"?
You would be pissed off, don't lie.
GodBotherer1 1 year ago
@GodBotherer1
Nationalsocialism, Socialism, it's quite the same. Both strengthen the community, also the social economy does it. Some things were bad, the most is our Strength.
I would never forget the community, nobody in the world knows, how it is to be a part of community, to live in Germany. Anglian capitalism would destroy it, but we europeans defend it. And again, look at the crime rate in the DDR! In the US more people are in prisons than in the DDR were, Is that freedom? NO!
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489
*best not most
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 What do you expect, if you break the law, you go to prison. if you murder, you go to prison.
WildConservative 1 year ago
@WildConservative
Yeah, right, if you break the law, you go to prison, but the world is more complex as you think. Crime has a reason, people aren't born as criminals, the society makes them to criminals. And the crime rate in Europe, in the GDR was/is very low, that's the point, because our society has a better social structure, with much state care. The community is our life, that's the reason why we are strong. The power of the community unleashed amazing forces.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 society can't make people into criminals. People become criminals by their own bad choices. GDR crime was low because people were so afraid of the government just like how North Korea has low crime rate.
WildConservative 1 year ago
@WildConservative
"People become criminals by their own bad choices." Can't count how often i've heard this propaganda in US-Movies like Batman.
Of course the society makes their criminals, look a the crime rate in the US and the crime rate in Europe, not only GDR! People here have less respect for the gov than people in your country. The police here is a joke. Have you ever been in Europe? Americans know nothing about peace and the social community.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 How does society make people criminals? Tell me
WildConservative 1 year ago
@WildConservative
There are many aspects, one is that the society in the US let people alone, the state let the people alone, they don't care about the poor people, no health insurance, no money, no work, no good education, no system where criminals will be resocialized like in Europe. Look at our relapse quote and we have no death penalty. We don't breed monsters in our prisons, we help humans, they are sick, they will be cured here.
B190489 1 year ago
@B190489 In the U.S, we don't need a big government because when government gets bigger, personal freedoms decrease. Also hold on, in your view "Just because government won't take care of me and I'm poor, I'm going to be a criminal and do all sorts of bad stuff." That's terrible. Also how will you cure a murdering psychopath or a pedophile? People that those should be locked away so they won't hurt anyone else in society
WildConservative 1 year ago
@WildConservative
Personal Freedom is good, but not the only thing the world that is good. Liberalism is shit, we need socialism, without the money system, the GDR had never collapsed, so it works, i know it, my parents have lived there, they weren't rich, but they had all what humans need, no unuseful thinks like cars with 300 hp. They were happy, the neighbours were friendly, the doctor has lived with the nurses, the engineer with the cleaner, no crime no violence no fear, no greed.
B190489 1 year ago