Conversations With History: Lessons from FDR's New Deal

[chrispriveco]

I find it unbelievable how some people could watch this video and not think that FDR was one of the greatest Presidents ever. I don't undetstand how they can be so detatched from facts and reality. Maybe it's because so many of them get there history lessons from Glen Beck. Dumb asses...

[FRSFreeState]

FDR is the Father of the Welfare State or Safety Net in America. The man who brought Democratic Socialism to America from the Presidential Level.

[lawnmowerman7]

justin beiber sucks!

[robnaro]

"It will not be a dole" what a joke... the first recipients of SS paid almost nothing in. The policies of the new deal are not invasive to the free market? I really hope this guy never holds any real power. Taking money from wages by force is invasive. Trying to illegally pack the supreme court is invasive. Racking up the highest rate of spending when compared to GDP is invasive. Slaughtering 6 million pigs and paying farmers to destroy good crops while people starve is invasive.

[Conway303]

@robnaro Still not as deep as true socialism would have been. I think the New Deal was more of a compromise in order to save capitalism. Especially when we consider that during the first years of the Roosevelt administration there were rebellions and the communism to worry about.

[robnaro]

@Conway303 How do you save capitalism by perverting it?

[killingfloor70]

@robnaro Not really preventing it. More like trying to lessen it's negative affects. Not to mention trying to remedy the negative effects of Capitalism (for example, a little thing called the Great Depression). Capitalism was not going to pull us of that slump cause no one was gonna spend any money, since they didn't have any. It was up to the government to pick up the slack on economic activity. It isn't about preventing capitalism since capitalism.

[robnaro]

@LivingWarMachine "nobody has ever called for it's outright dismantling before...especially in the era of the great depression" - You may want to study the majority of the new deal that was struck down by the supreme court as unconstitutional. There isn't much left of the New Deal other than social security and medicare.

[Pianoantics]

Look this hit the Germany sooner than it did here. The Nazi regime came to power and during he 20's it seems we were on a break from the first World War and sharping our tools and weapons to wage the next war which is the only solution to put people to work and war seems to follow on the wake of depressions. Who by the way benfited by the wars and who financed them is the question while the rest of humanity went hungry and became destitute until they went to work making the war machine role.

[ghandi0666]

This is what needs to be said in the news.

[ghandi0666]

Always good to state who you are and how your past has shaped your worldview. Honesty is always beautiful. History, the study of man...

[starnja2009]

uzjohn:

the reason your Grandparents loved FDR as a hero--and you question him--is because they witnessed his work, and they experienced the (first) Great Depression while you did not.

Think about that.

[robnaro]

@starnja2009 Does this logic apply to Mao as well?

[jjrglobal]

So this guy wants to repeat the great policies of FDR that made the depression last twenty years? Why the fuck is this moron a professor?

[TheWilliamcale]

thats just shows how stupid you are.

how little you listen or understand economics. how biased you are an incapable of objectively assesing reality

Hoover did nothing for four years and the depression got better? no

the war effort was a MASSIVE kenysian

economic effort and that DID end the depression and lead to thirty years of prosperity under kenysian economic policy

[jjrglobal]

You had best go reread your history boy. Hoover put protectionist policies in place (Hawley Smoot tariff ring a bell)and had more government spending than any previous administration in history. If you think that the world war ended the depression, your wrong again. The market did not even get back to 1929 levels until 1956. These aren't theories these are the facts. Dipshit

[TheWilliamcale]

ha ha ha! you libertarians are so predictable! dont bother i've heard thats drivel before..not only did the depression

end with the war.. but we enjoyed unprecidented proserity for thirty years as did europe with havy keynsian intervention in the economy it was only the energy crisis that ended that

you dont understand economics

or youd realize it was laissez faire capitalsim that CAUSED the depression

and a bit of SOCIALISM ended it

dumb ass

[jjrglobal]

Oh I know. Those Libertarians always believing in freedom and prosperity, citing historical facts instead of government rhetoric, what a bunch of losers. You must work for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, or maybe you're unemployed. Which is it?

[TheWilliamcale]

selfishhess

what about the blacks in your ghetto

or 40 miilion with no health care

you care only about your own prosperity not all the people you hurt in the third world

always you shoot each other your homicide rate is three time france

you need gun control socialiszed medicine and higher income taxes

long live france!

[TheWilliamcale]

libertarians are for freedom

the way pedophiles

are for freedom or the way

a bank robber is for freedom

your a criminal looking to be able to

exploit and vitimize weaker people

you are no bette than a crack dealer or a pimp they speak for freedom and proserity the same way you do

[TheWilliamcale]

but this is my beef YOU DONT SITE FACTS I DO you distort and lie deliberately i do research i know statistics i know socislism doesnt work and capitalism has serious flaws and i have studied economies that have blended mixed economies like sweden or denmark or canada and as far as quality of life? we(well you actually this is your mess i just live here for now) do poorly because americans are shortsited greedy and ignorant you cant save a penny can you?

[jjrglobal]

You think I should be taxed more because I don't save enough????

Ahhh the demented mind of the socialist loser. I hope I run across your lazy ass. You might want to look at my picture before you make any more threats. Unlike you, that really is my picture on my channel and I can bench press double my body weight. Oh did I mention I worked for the UFC back in 2000-2001. I'll upload my credentials if you want to see em fuck face.

[TheWilliamcale]

you show be taxed more because your an ass hole

you eat too much

your house is too big

you use WAY too much energy pollute too much and own too many guns

[TheWilliamcale]

If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten George Carlin quote UFC? anyone in YOUR family work for the FBI? ha ha ha! bring it on bitch threaten me please do i'll sue you i'll have you put under surveillance take a swing at me make yourself a felon i'll take your house in a laws suit and felons cant own guns you arent very bright and you dont scare me bitch

[jjrglobal]

I kinda figured you'd say that, tell you what, I'll scan in my last fight credentials and send em ya to prove it . I was working for them when Zuffa first bought it, before anyone even knew who or what the UFC was.

[jjrglobal]

Oh and I wasnt going to arrange shit, I was gonna do it myself

[TheWilliamcale]

not very bright

[TheWilliamcale]

i'm gonna paddle faste i think i hear banjos!

lmmfao!

[TheWilliamcale]

all i have to do is make one phone call punk

one call

and i have ANarmy at my disposal

YOU FIGHT ONE OF US

you fight us all

capisca?

gee i think i hear banjos

[TheWilliamcale]

i'm sorry but to listen to your type of marican is to listen to a rapist talk of sexual freedom

you nslave black man kill natives

exploit immigrants for cheap labour

lynch blacks persercute the jew or catholic

and wave a dixie flag for freedom

good luck to all good america who support obama we like him very much in france

[TheWilliamcale]

FDR saved the USA FROM COLLAPSE WE COULD HAVE ENDED UP LIKE NAZI GERMANY OR THE SOVIET UNION

he made america work for working people not just rich anglo saxons

we should have another president like him he was for the immigrant and the worker..not just business pigs

[uzijohn]

TheWilliamcale,

I was also taught that FDR got us out of the depression

But I continually reevaluate and question much that I've been told

My grandparents thought FDR walked on water, but we know more about him today than they ever could

Theres a video on Youtube called

"Why You've Never Heard of the Great Depression of 1920"

It's done by Thomas Woods author of the book "Meltdown" he's an economist and a good speaker, he postures another view

[TheWilliamcale]

i'm 50 i have studied this for decades

FDR saved this nation

eventually keynsian economics

burdened economies in the 70s during the energy crisis but for 30 glorious years they brought home the bacon

[uzijohn]

TheWilliamcale,

We're both 50,

I'll admit I've studied more history and politics that economic theory, although they cannot help but overlap,

The Keynesian economic model as I understand it has great merit,

If only economists were running the show not politicians, but there in lies our problem,

I'm sure there is a level of debt that would make you or Keynes himself nervous,

Perhaps it's the 7 trillion dollar mark we just past or the 10 trillion were quickly heading toward?

[TheWilliamcale]

well i tend to be a centrist

i remember my grand father

a harry truman type union signal man man very bright

never had much formal education honest hard working practical highy skiled electrician

grandpa sands always voted democrat

but in 1980 he voted for reagan

"just isnt working anymore kid,thats all there is to it"

FDR gave us goovenrment we needed

by 1980 we had more than enough government and society was collapsing

he did things that were unpleasent but had to be done.

[robnaro]

@TheWilliamcale deficit spending is always fun until there is no more credit

[elvisbelt]

It is apparent that the historian here is in love with FDR and and can not give an objective view of the destructive legislation enacted by FDR . Too bad because we are having to live with the unintended consequences today.

[shumich]

It is apparent here that you are in love with Dick Cheney's cock and cannot give an objective view of the destructive legislation enacted by George W. Bush. Too bad because we are having to live with the unintended consequence of "moneytheism" to this day. Like a high rate of premature babies and cancer as a result of deregulating the meat industry. Take those corporate cocks out of your ass and ears and stick them in your mouth so you can shut the fuck up and listen. Stop kowtowing to corporate

[elvisbelt]

Your language speaks for itself.

[shumich]

That's right. Hopefully I'll smack him around enough to realize that the crooked corporations who bought out his government long ago love his political ideologies.

[TheWilliamcale]

if only the USA was like it was in the FDR days the new deal the good neighbor policy, we do thank good americans who came to our aid this jerks fmily was probalby wearing sheets and praising hitler and espeousing isolationism

america used to have a sense of community a sense of world resposibility

why did you let pigs like this oil monger ruin your great nation?

[elvisbelt]

Its futile to debate an unarmed person.

[TheWilliamcale]

well theres a deadly assumtion right there

besides my uncle is in the DGSE)

i do beleive they carry guns

besides those guns can be confiscated easily enough

[shumich]

It's futile to debate a person who doesn't even know where to put an apostrophe in a contraction. Similarly, it's futile to debate a person who labels anyone who questions the authority of the elite classes as an "America hater" who needs to move to another country. The greatest thing about America was the questioning of hereditary privileges and the interests of big money and royal interests. You, sir, think its greatness lies in big money interests who produce "wealth".

[TheWilliamcale]

these people did not always speech for the USA FDR TRUMAN LBJ

bring back that USA

[jjrglobal]

Add Lincoln and Wilson and you'll have all tthe presidents that killed over 100K Americans and used Nukes too.

[TheWilliamcale]

Will you walk into my parlour?" said the Spider to the Fly,

'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;

The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,

And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there."

Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "to ask me is in vain,

For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."

[TheWilliamcale]

people die in war

youd rather have slavery and nazis in the world?

my gg grand father fought in the 103 ovi and helped shrman burn atlanta to the ground

damned proud of him too

you make an omlete you crack eggs

[jjrglobal]

But what have you done with your miserable life?

[TheWilliamcale]

and i write poetry

you have lots of free time when you have a trust fund

[TheWilliamcale]

my nacestors came here with nothing they were treated like niggers my great great grandfather fought under uncle billy and helped him burn down have the south,thats who you are dealing with a real yankee we worked in factories on other peoples farms now we own factories and farms i dont do much obviously but i know people who do you fight one of us you fight us all capite? america been berry berry good to us' we worka very hard and yes god bless america

[TheWilliamcale]

ancestors

[TheWilliamcale]

A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.

John Stuart Mill

English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

[TheWilliamcale]

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill

English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

[TheWilliamcale]

THE uNITED sTES IS A GREAT SOCIETY a great idea a place were poor people the scum of the arth could come work hard and make something of themselves god bless free enterprise and hard work we were scum we are now lower upper ruling class but you dont just say 'LET THEM EAT CAKE" THATS WHAT YOU AND THAT BITCH MARIE ANTOINETTE say let them eat cake no if you make it you have to put something back you do, thats not optional

[TheWilliamcale]

Civilization began the first time an angry person cast a word instead of a rock.

Sigmund Freud

and that is the difference between him and us

we wish to fight with ideas

they wish to fight

because they have no ideas

[TheWilliamcale]

destructive it created the worlds biggest middle class and the highest standard of living in the world. answer me this if

a mixed economy is DESRUCTIVE THAN why does denmark and sweden and norway have the best economies and

best social models in the world.'cant answer that can you!

[elvisbelt]

Your information is faulty. GDP world leaders:1United States$8,511,000.0 2China$4,420,000.0 3Japan$2,903,000.0 4Germany$1,813,000.0 5India$1,689,000.0 6France$1,320,000.0 7United Kingdom$1,252,000.0 8Italy$1,181,000.0 9Brazil$1,035,200.0 10Mexico$815,300.0 I don't see Sweden, Norway or Denmark anywhere!?!

[TheWilliamcale]

per capita god you people are deliberately obtuse

[elvisbelt]

You obviously don't know how to search for information. And anyone with a brain knows you just made up these numbers. Try searching for: countries with best economies.

You are a small sad person.

[TheWilliamcale]

norway GDP per capita $53,300 (2007 est.)

GDP per capita $47,422 (2008

but you knew that

or are you completely retarded?

i win

[TheWilliamcale]

gdp of usa is only 47,000

[elvisbelt]

OK mr. America hater. Please move to Norway asap. We don't need you.

[TheWilliamcale]

fuck you my name is legion

we are here and we are taking over

[jjrglobal]

Except GDP is no measure for the wealth of a nation because it includes gov expenditures. You are siding with the idiots that were blindsided by this crisis, who now in hindsight are blaming this on a phenomenon that only happens once in century. Thats their fuckin reason. You keep on believing that greed caused this moron meanwhile we in the know will continue to make money hand over fist off of your ignorance.

[TheWilliamcale]

my god you belong in an instituion

so? do you think governement expenditure is just into the atmosphere?

people get collective benifit roads hospitals schools park universities museums

see you are just some typical american pig that thinks only of hiself and cares nothg for the common good

the problem with american is they pay too little tax maybe you would be less fat and use les gas polute the world less

and shoot each other less

you have to much money

[TheWilliamcale]

long live france

i hope they double your income tax

and take all your gun hill billy

[jjrglobal]

Oh you're from France, that little shithole country that their asses handed to them by the Germans in record time. That country full of pussies that America liberated from the Nazi's, thats where you're from? No wonder you're a socialist pussy

[TheWilliamcale]

fucking ignorant american

where would you be without france

who was at the seige of yorktown with you the germans? who trtained your continental army gave you weapons?

you came in late after all the fighting was done by the soviets, fat lazy americans

who owe the chinese billions you make me laugh,you all are fat and shoot yourselves have no health care

France is a nice place

you live in the shithole

if your mother and father get divorced will they still be brother and sister?

[TheWilliamcale]

Every man has two countries, his own and France. - (Thomas Jefferson)

he said this after the french saved washingtons ass at yorktown

AGAIN

[TheWilliamcale]

pussy?i'd cut your balls off and feed them to my dog

i NEVER met an american i was afraid of

fat lazy

nothing without a gun to fall on

coward

[TheWilliamcale]

do you know how many days it took napoleon to conquer prussia?

[jjrglobal]

Sad thing is, thats the last time France was a winner at anything

[TheWilliamcale]

The French healthcare system was named by the World Health Organization as the best performing system in the world in terms of availability and organization of health care providers (by comparison, the US ranked number 37).[

[TheWilliamcale]

The twin battles of Jena and Auerstedt (older name: Auerstädt) were fought on 14 October 1806 on the plateau west of the river Saale in today's Germany, between the forces of Napoleon I of France and Frederick William III of Prussia. The decisive defeat suffered by the Prussian army a mere nineteen days after its mobilization resulted in Prussia's elimination from the fourth anti-French coalition until the liberation war of 1813

19 fucking days yank, did you know that?

no you're illiterate

[shumich]

Where did you find this info? The World Bank lists the EU at the top with $18,387,785. Followed by the US with $14,441,425 (both in millions USD).

Ok Mr. Neoliberal (know what that is?). Why is it that the US went from being the largest CREDITOR nation coming out of WWII and now stands as the largest DEBTOR nation in the world?

In fact, the largest capitalist nation in history has the largest trade deficit in history to communist China.

Do you know what "consumer capitalism is"? Culturally?

[TheWilliamcale]

you make a very important point the EU IS a superstate its gdp exceeds the USA and the euro is now THE world currency

so maybe socialism isnt that bed eh?

[TheWilliamcale]

The economy of the European Union generates a GDP based on PPP of over €12,256.48 billion ($16,523.78 in 2009) according to the IMF. The EU economy consists of a single market and is represented as a unified entity in the WTO.

[TheWilliamcale]

Happiness economics is the study of a country's quality of life by combining economists' and psychologists' techniques. It relies on more expansive notions of utility than does conventional economics. Although its usefulness is yet to be determined, it has become a subject of interest and often a measure of comparison with the traditional forms of measuring market health such as GDP and GNP. This field of studies is also called " The economy of happiness

[ssplum]

The historian does not seem to know much about economics. FDR was a failure with the economy. That is the lesson.

[chewbaca1989]

The historian doesn't address the role of centralized banks or the Gold Standards. Brenton Woods Agreement was dissolved in 1971 by Nixon.

Keynesian economics is not possible without a Centralized bank. It has lead to government growth on a unprecedented rate.

No great Nation historically has remained great by using fiat currency.

Not one. Fiat currency (Obamonopoly money), when people loose faith in the currency (not real money) destroys societies.

That's a fact, historically speaking.

[billyysands]

amazing lesture

[billyysands]

even in good times poverty was endemic before the new deal

[billyysands]

interesting