One thing about crucifixion: it was described by many different Greek and Latin verbs. Such verbs have various meanings, such as hanging, putting to a stake, placing on boards, nailing to boards and impaling. And the Latin word 'crux' had different meanings too. Not just the familiar 'cross' but also impaling stake and carriage's tow-pole, and even inner torment like the modern day English 'crux.' And two graffiti have been found showing a cross with an attached impaling stake for one to sit on.
Hey yo, Just in reference to the fact that noone reads the base literature...It's a basic first year course in most Colleges (Including Christian colleges) to go back to the source text and look at it from there prior to reading other's thoughts on it...especially when dealing with interpretation of ancient texts. Just a thought.
@Impulsiveish Yes but mostly only base literature relevant to the theological views of that particular school or university. Or base literature they consider "Orthodox".
No armchair scholar reads the "base literature" first because we would never know what we were actually reading or looking for. There are countless thousands upon thousands of pages of writings and no one is going to just sit down and start reading.
Also, Jesus did not hang on the cross for three days. Not sure why you bring up a crucifixion where someone hung on it for 3 days. What would be your point?
"No armchair scholar reads the "base literature" first because we would never know what we were actually reading or looking for."- Yes your correct. We are all running around in circles and confounded.
No, "we" are not all confounded. My point is that to send someone off with a "read the literature" reply is not helpful at all. That's my point. I have read SOME of the writings of history but by no means all or even a majority. So, my point is that it would be nicer to give someone a specific work or direction to shoot for. There's tons of old writings and even more modern (> 1900) stuff so we armchair scholars need more help and specifics!
Hey sorry your right, at times I am way to general and all. I'll try to put link to the books I get my info from. I use to do that but forget people may need some recommendations on where I am going and where I came from. I misread the intention of your comment. My apologies. Thanks for stopping by.
Your right! Most sheep form the atheist construct hold such views. However it leaves no room for use of abstract expressionism and the multifunctional of metaphor. Myth are facts that never happened.
Do you ever get the impression that some of our holy books contain the original efforts at 'dumming down' the masses and not only as was desired by God.
Is it possible many passages and stories claimed as our own, as original and *literal*, were in reality written as metaphors and someone took editorial privilige?
What better way to corrupt than to take away fear of God?
Some sort of agenda in Zeitgeist was recognized here to just by the simeple 'mistake' of leaving out the fact the birthday of Jesus was moved to match the others for capitalistic reasons.
Even though if you read their errata you can find this fact, in was manipulatively and deliberately left out of the film to misinform, confuse and shock the lazy.
If you could share any other issues of which you're aware it would be greatly appreciated.
If you read the science behind crucifiction, hanging on a stake takes most less than an hour to die. On a cross went from several hours up to days depending on the severity of the scourging, mental health and dehydration. Hence the need to break the legs to hasten death. Without the ability to push up with the legs to expand the chest cavity and exhale, death came shortly after.
whats this got to do with anything he was beaten and etc before crucifixion..and i dont see the problem if u say death usually takes longer as if it always must
At first I thought this was going to be about the Dead Sea Scrolls Tablet. I read the "translation" and it was anything but conclusive... far too many holes to really tell what it was about, other than it was a Jewish religious text.
Recently a friend sent me a link to that about the ancient tablet also. I'm currently reading about the book named Shepherd of Hermas and how it was sometimes included in the early new testament. Very interesting book.
People can draw comparisons all they want, like comparing Nightrider to Airwolf and Street Hawk finding the similarities. I could conger up a whole documentary on how both stories contain the same build up etc. But there's plenty of evidence, to suggest that all those shows are separate individual shows.
One thing about crucifixion: it was described by many different Greek and Latin verbs. Such verbs have various meanings, such as hanging, putting to a stake, placing on boards, nailing to boards and impaling. And the Latin word 'crux' had different meanings too. Not just the familiar 'cross' but also impaling stake and carriage's tow-pole, and even inner torment like the modern day English 'crux.' And two graffiti have been found showing a cross with an attached impaling stake for one to sit on.
EdM021 1 year ago
@EdM021 Excellent comment. Thanks for taking the time. Nice work.
wayman29 1 year ago
@wayman29 You're welcome! ;)
EdM021 1 year ago
Hey yo, Just in reference to the fact that noone reads the base literature...It's a basic first year course in most Colleges (Including Christian colleges) to go back to the source text and look at it from there prior to reading other's thoughts on it...especially when dealing with interpretation of ancient texts. Just a thought.
Impulsiveish 1 year ago
@Impulsiveish Yes but mostly only base literature relevant to the theological views of that particular school or university. Or base literature they consider "Orthodox".
wayman29 1 year ago
No armchair scholar reads the "base literature" first because we would never know what we were actually reading or looking for. There are countless thousands upon thousands of pages of writings and no one is going to just sit down and start reading.
Also, Jesus did not hang on the cross for three days. Not sure why you bring up a crucifixion where someone hung on it for 3 days. What would be your point?
TruthSurge 3 years ago
"No armchair scholar reads the "base literature" first because we would never know what we were actually reading or looking for."- Yes your correct. We are all running around in circles and confounded.
wayman29 3 years ago
No, "we" are not all confounded. My point is that to send someone off with a "read the literature" reply is not helpful at all. That's my point. I have read SOME of the writings of history but by no means all or even a majority. So, my point is that it would be nicer to give someone a specific work or direction to shoot for. There's tons of old writings and even more modern (> 1900) stuff so we armchair scholars need more help and specifics!
TruthSurge 3 years ago 2
Hey sorry your right, at times I am way to general and all. I'll try to put link to the books I get my info from. I use to do that but forget people may need some recommendations on where I am going and where I came from. I misread the intention of your comment. My apologies. Thanks for stopping by.
wayman29 3 years ago
No prob. I just felt like this vid was a bit vague. Like I'd walked into a theater half an hour after the movie had started. :)
I'll snoop some of your other vids and keep reading stuff.
TruthSurge 3 years ago
Your right! Most sheep form the atheist construct hold such views. However it leaves no room for use of abstract expressionism and the multifunctional of metaphor. Myth are facts that never happened.
wayman29 3 years ago
Do you ever get the impression that some of our holy books contain the original efforts at 'dumming down' the masses and not only as was desired by God.
Is it possible many passages and stories claimed as our own, as original and *literal*, were in reality written as metaphors and someone took editorial privilige?
What better way to corrupt than to take away fear of God?
Hit post a little toooo fast on the last comment!
dstevens101 3 years ago
Hello Wayman, Thanks for taking this on!
Some sort of agenda in Zeitgeist was recognized here to just by the simeple 'mistake' of leaving out the fact the birthday of Jesus was moved to match the others for capitalistic reasons.
Even though if you read their errata you can find this fact, in was manipulatively and deliberately left out of the film to misinform, confuse and shock the lazy.
If you could share any other issues of which you're aware it would be greatly appreciated.
dstevens101 3 years ago
..crucifixion wasnt around back then (2000bc) heh
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
heh.. read the literature
wayman29 3 years ago
"The corpse was hung from a stake.
After three days and three nights had passed,"
thats not crucifixion though is it just being hung..right.
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
If you read the science behind crucifiction, hanging on a stake takes most less than an hour to die. On a cross went from several hours up to days depending on the severity of the scourging, mental health and dehydration. Hence the need to break the legs to hasten death. Without the ability to push up with the legs to expand the chest cavity and exhale, death came shortly after.
charlitunaman2002 3 years ago
whats this got to do with anything he was beaten and etc before crucifixion..and i dont see the problem if u say death usually takes longer as if it always must
Antisyncretism 3 years ago
At first I thought this was going to be about the Dead Sea Scrolls Tablet. I read the "translation" and it was anything but conclusive... far too many holes to really tell what it was about, other than it was a Jewish religious text.
XSC3 3 years ago
The Tanakh makes it clear that the Hebrews had been immersed in Egyptian culture. That's no scandal. It's part of the story.
minorityop 3 years ago
Yeah, something about Moses rings a bell. :)
Barklord 3 years ago
Recently a friend sent me a link to that about the ancient tablet also. I'm currently reading about the book named Shepherd of Hermas and how it was sometimes included in the early new testament. Very interesting book.
Barklord 3 years ago
Yep, I've read it. Very similar to "Pilgrim's Progress".
minorityop 3 years ago
I don't know if you are into ancient music but this guy does his best to play the Kinnor Lyre:
Klezfiddle1
Barklord 3 years ago
I meant to say all stories, LOLLLLLL
Great video dude.
ChildofTruth 3 years ago
Rewind:
An orange is not an apple....
LOL!
People can draw comparisons all they want, like comparing Nightrider to Airwolf and Street Hawk finding the similarities. I could conger up a whole documentary on how both stories contain the same build up etc. But there's plenty of evidence, to suggest that all those shows are separate individual shows.
LMAO
ChildofTruth 3 years ago