Time has to be the first dimension because any concept we have of it involves the change of one state to another. The point becoming two points would be a time stamp that can be observed. And so on until a line, sheet and cube where created. With out this things would remain in a constant state with no possibility for change.
OK, if all the differing levels we find in nature are put a sliding scale of consciousness with minerals at the bottom, then plants will have some incredibly dim notion of time, but only relative to rocks. btw, my experiences with lsd and psilocybin did in no way increase my knowedge regarding this subject. Where did i go wrong? lol
@adriansalamandre But if reality is an illusion, and this video is part of reality then it is just a sub-illusion of the greater illision which is to say not real and so not a real illusion, however illusory the concept of reality may be one could make any number of allusions to illusion and still the truth remains elusive. Know what I mean ?
ower own invention time is not wat u think u choze to move u move yf u stop the "watch"that will not stop u or the sun its movement fizics graviti not time u stop u move time doze not exist simply because wee like too meajure it
y have the best response my english is not verry good but y'm shure u will understand time dose not exist time is just the wai man likes too kall mejuring time its just a name wee invented there is noo time if wee choze not to kalkulate it we chose to kalkulate throo a simple spin of the sun we are studiing ower own
I find this relation between animals and dimension a non-existent one. I believe that all animals and life in the 4 dimensions - otherwise how do we observe these things!!
I find this relation between animals and dimension a non-existent one. I believe that all animals and life in the 4 dimensions - otherwise how do we observe these things!!
@adriansalamandre It is factually correct to say that humans are a member of the great apes. When you look at a chimp, gorilla, etc. ur looking at our cousins
@KayC604 5OO years ago it was factually correct to say that the sun rotates around the earth. Facts change, but maybe you are right that chimps and gorillas are your cousins. You said it, not me.
@adriansalamandre No facts don't change, its just that the CHURCH tried to spread misinformation as fact. LEGITIMATE facts withstand time and scientific scrutiny, they do not change. And what do u have against being an ape? apes are very intelligent. LOL u must be religious
@KayC604 Facts DO change. Understanding changes in all aspects of science, art, philosophy etc. And I am not religious. Did you actually watch the video, or just jump to conclusions beforehand?
4th dimension is not really a full dimension... Our world is constructed by the number we know as Pi, and since that number is 3.14... first three numbers created a full and stable 3 space dimensions and since there was not enough "material" to create a fourth stable dimension, that dimensional miss-product is known as time. It is actually quite mind-boggling how all that came into place...
Sometimes I wonder, why do scientists spend billions on particle accelerator such as CERN to help them understand the concept of time (amongst other things) when they could just go to Blender TV.
@ChaosDynamics LOL, Blender is a free 3D software, but I found some python scripts on net that can be used to modify dimensional structure of program, so you can (kinda) use different inputs to calculate dimensions (irrational numbers logarithms etc.), so if you use Pi as a dimensional input, you get (random?) polygon scattering that changes based on your Pi settings (10, 100, 1000 or X number of digits per second)... I don't know what Blender TV is, I live in 3rd world country xD
But relating pi to time makes no sense whatsoever. The number pi derives from 2D geometry. Saying that the 3 "whole" diameters of pi correspond to the first 3 dimensions and that the 0.14 of a diameter at the end corresponds to time shows a lack of knowledge of what pi is. It corresponds to amount of time the length of the diameters (a diameter is 1D as it is a line) that fit around the circumference of a circle (2D). The 0.14 has nothing to do with time.
@ChaosDynamics I just said that Pi is the ONLY "number" that made any change to polygonal structure... Why? I don't know... Does it have something to do with how time "works"? I don't know... It worked, and "Pi" is probably some constant that also manifests when you divide circle circumference with diameter... Also, I guess you know that Pi is not only 3.14, its transcendental number (decimal point goes to ~infinity).
but why do you believe god exist what is your personal evidence or experiences that have led you to believe that something you have never witnessed or heard is 100% real. cant you leave a little room for doubt since you dont have absolute proof. I am sure you're faith in his reality is comforting to you but tell me what convinced you absolutely that he exist. With so many possibilities, evolution, ancient alien theories its endless why just limit yourself to one idea why not leave yourself open.
@OrganicThumb420 If there was 100% proof that God exists, then would you have freewill? Proof denies faith.
And please don't tell me what I've witnessed or not, as simply you know nothing about me. You are projecting on me how you see the world, and in this respect, it is you who is limited. Just because I do not mention "ancient alien theories" as you put it does not mean that I do not have an opinion on this subject. God's existence is not neccesarily comforting to me as I am a bad person.
yes lol you would have the freedom of looking over the evidence and coming to your own conclusion god doesn't make control you right. And i wasnt implying any supernatural experiences i am just asking, besides a book based on bronze age myths what other evidence do you have personally not what a preacher or society has told you. In science i can purchase an electron microscope and see the quantum world and relate to what i have read in books but how do you relate to the bible or youre god.
@OrganicThumb420 interesting books on this subject include "tertium organum" by P.D. Ouspensky,
"Superluminous man" by Pr. Regis Dutheuil "The tao of physics" by Fritjof Capra and "A guide for the perplexed" by E.M. Schumacher...I think that should keep you occupied for a while but I can recommend many others if you like.
but yes you are right without true evidence all you have is faith. Just like the greeks had fatih in zeus and their many gods the muslims have faith in allah. Throughout time the human animal has had faith in many things. as a kid i had faith that santa clause was he real because i was told so by my parents and i saw him commercialized.NO, it wasn't until i evolved and grew that i realized it was all a fairytale. Maybe the religious are in the same state i was when i was 5.
but why do you believe god exist what is your personal evidence or experiences that have led you to believe that something you have never witnessed or heard is 100% real. cant you leave a little since you dont have absolute proof. I am sure you're faith in his reality is comforting to you but tell me what convinced you absolutely that he exist. With so many possibilities, evolution, ancient alien theories its endless why just limit yourself to one idea why not leave your open.
@gavion81 I accept the idea that God exists, but it would be impossible to prove this. However, I can be as bold as to suggest a model of a dimensional hierarchy in which the concept God is included. This is not my belief, nor do I say it is a fact, it is only my opinion.
Started out interesting, but quickly became nonsensical - sorry, but "I think that..." is simply not a valid argument :S ...there is simply no reasonable coupling between dimensions and the complexity he's arguing about :-/.
Furthermore he backs it with incorrect (albeit not always entirely wrong) scientific knowledge (like dimensions that "need" to be orthogonal to each other; anyone with basic insight in linear algebra would know that the basis vectors need only be linearly independent)
@DigitizedSelf Oh, just to be clear; not trying to come down hard on the guy and I appreciate the effort - it's just too bad that it wasn't sufficiently researched/thought through to actually make sense :-/
Anyway, hope he keeps pondering - it's a good way to expand ones horizons ;-)
@DigitizedSelf Who's arguing? If I start a sentence "I think that..." I'm clearly expressing my opinion, which I already know counts for nothing...lol
@adriansalamandre Apparently no one then - nice to know you're aware of it yourself ;-). Keep digging into the science-stuff though; we'll always need people who can generate new ideas ^.^
@adriansalamandre Oh, and I think you'd like videos like "Time Travel And Complexity" by BestOfScience - it's related to the topic of your video and pretty nicely done ^.^
@fntime thank you for your interesting comment! Yes, I agree that this subject can lead to anger and defence mechanisms linked to fundamental perceptions by the psyche...it don't like to be messed with!
I want to find a better, more gentle way in which to present this idea to hopefully avoid triggering depression.
The main point of these videos was to introduce the idea that angels and God exist in a hierarchy linked to space/time, but there's very little feedback on this...I wonder why? lol
@aznboy3213 but how can you say that when moving on high speeds where the time slows down? and achieving speed of light will stop the time for you? going farther than speed of light will make you go to the past, and so on?
@pokemon068 I've just had a look and i found it very entertaining! i'll have a look at the website link too. I found a lot of useful information in books by P.D.Ouspensky entitled "Tertium Organum" and by E.E.Schumacher "A guide for the perplexed" before linking dimensional leaps with levels of perception in nature, but there is a lot of literature out there on this fascinating subject.
bible says "And time was no more" time is a funtion of space its self and is a fungable energy source we use daily (electricity) , those who manage time by
attributing it to a idea rather than a force do its research a great dishonor by marginalizining its tenuity and effectua and tangability
I don't know about anyone else, but this actually makes me feel kind of lonely thinking about time. It's like, would if each of us is on our own timeline somehow, and none of us are really ever 'together'. Like a friend of mine might be ten years behind the timeline I'm in so his bodies there but the actual "consciousness" of the experience he has when we talk arrives only ten years later, so that I've talked with his body but only ten years later with his actual conscious.....
cool video, i dont get the part about the plants being on level 3 - two dimensions. they have 3 dimensions.. im pretty sure they are not consciousness of anything.. everything made sense.
@USMCRazorbacks Thank you! the 1st. level is nothing= zero dimensions, so this means that level 3 has 2 dimension of consciousness, not to be confused with physical existence. I agree that a plant's consciousness is vastly inferior to that of human beings, but in this model everything is a part of a conscious universe and beyond...
@musicmind9 amazingly, most humans are not conscious of their own existence on a daily basis and we forget this all the time. it is one of the biggest insults know to man, because no-one wants to admit that they are often "elsewhere" thinking of something related to the past, or why the car in front won't get out of the way...even when we're in front of a mirror, we are very rarly aware of our own existence. Animals often don't even recognise their own reflection in a mirror.
@adriansalamandre You should define consciousness before you base claims on it.
Distinguish between the materialistic brain evolution and the non-materialistic term "consciousness", which is not even acknowledged by scientists (and Atheists) .
@musicmind9 Most scientists who agree with the theory of evolution do not like discussions about consciousness, because it is not easy to weigh, measure nor quantify. Consciousness invokes a higher state of being, often associated with meditating yogis. Even scientists have actually proven that meditating yogis can alter their brain functions and reach a higher level of awareness. Consciousness can have lower or higher levels depending in which individual it manifests.
In what way do you believe that time is an illusion? In the sense that the objects we perceive are actually changing, or the fact of change itself? Concerning passage, it could be possible for a mind to move through out the 4-D block along time. Of course, this rejects the former but retains the latter.
The problem with a representation is that it does not account for passage, which some have either rejected and tried to account for, or otherwise.
@LMOH1Maybe I should not have used the word illusion! Most of the time we think of time as a linear phenomenon with each individual moment existing independently from the past and the future. I think some humans are able to capture (perceive) potential future events and break through this linear and fixed perception of time. I'm going to find a better way to communicate these ideas, I didn't put enough time into the making of these videos...
@adriansalamandre Okay then. I just want to ask you one more question. Do you perceive time as a sort of "static block" or any variation of it like in the theory of the "block universe" (if you heard about it)?
@LMOH1 I hadn't heard of it, until just now (then) but many thanks for this!
Intuitively, I think that an indeterminable number of different realities exist (multiverse theory) and that there exist higher consciousnesses whom can percieve these realities as we pereive three dimensional objects. Our choices are not pre-determined, but they can send "ripples" out in all directions, both into the past and future.
For me, these "block universes" would be more like "liquid crystal displays" lol
Remember, folks. Everything in this video are his personal opinions on a topic that is thoroughly difficult to understand for lifeforms with our level of intelligence.
He correlates "animals" with the third dimension, being unaware of their own existence. This would indicate that they have an inability to perceive time. This cannot be true, however, as "animals" use a section of their brain tissue to store physical information based on past interactions in nature.
They also have the ability to react to the conditions within this tissue located within themselves. This is the phenomenon of "memory". The different points in their "memory" gives rise to the ability to perceive this world around them at many points in time. This "memory" is what gives them a perception of "time".
In short, animals do, in fact, have a sense of time. They simply lack some of the additional complexities that more intelligent organisms have in their ability to analyse memory.
They also have the ability to react to the conditions within this tissue located within themselves. This is the phenomenon of "memory". The different points in their "memory" gives rise to the ability to perceive this world around them at many points in time. This "memory" is what gives them a perception of "time".
In short, animals do, in fact, have a sense of time. They simply lack some of the additional complexities that more intelligent organisms have in their ability to analyse memory.
Time as a dimension is nonsensical and absurd. it is being pushed by mathematical physicists to give them new abstract numbers to reificate. Is there not a law that states that things can not be infinity small? so how can a line of infinite points pertain to the objective world? mathematical physics is a hugh setback. numbers and geometry are not physical objects and can never be. 2 does not exist. 2 is what we call 2 ones. only one exists.infinite lines with no width do not exist. maths a game.
Humans do not perceive time objectively. We are subjective to the environment, and unable to tell if the Earth slows down or speeds up. This is the advantage of atomic clocks, by picking a independent vibrating molecule--that is stable--we get objective measurements by physics. The objective atomic clocks makes it possible to tell if Earth is speeding up or slowing down, and has also been used to measure the rotation of the Sun that has a different internal rotation rate.
Time is obviously an illusion that manifests in our consciousness. Time is something that your brain does to explain the connection of moments throughout your entire life until the day you die. The past wouldn't exist if there is no conscious observer there to 'know' of it. Nor would the future exist if there isn't an observer to anticipate it. As for it being the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is a direction completely non-existent in our 3 dimensional universe.
@MiSha400@MiSha400 Thanks for your question. I think everything is relative and it's based on the fact that I am very rarely aware of my own existence...sad, but true. Just fleeting glimpses of self-awareness. I've heard that a few animals (dolphins, chimpanzees and elephants) can actually recognise themselves in a mirror, but maybe only when the mirror is in front of them.
@WiiHomebrew101 Thanks for the tip, I will make new videos on this subject soon...maybe the photo at 6:58 will make people take voting more seriously!
A point and a line has no mass and no dimensional space, so stacking an infinite number of them together does not in any way, lead to another dimension; stacking infinity of them together still leads to 0 or 1 dimension, 0+0 x infinity still = 0. the same thing with a plane, and then also with a cube; you cannot stack infinity cubes to get to "time", you just have a lot of cubes in 3D. To get to a higher dimension you must add a dimension, you cannot "break through" by stacking.
@onexdata Good point. But I still maintain that our perception of time relies on an infinite number of streaming 3 dimensional "snapshots", which are stacked. Most of us asume that past events no longer exist, but I think they do, but they are somewhere beyond our perceptions in another dimension of spacetime. Do you think humans perceive time objectively or not?
@adriansalamandre I think you are onto something with the past still existing, but I think you are limiting yourself (maybe without realizing it) when you assume that the past is built of streaming "snapshots". By saying "snapshot" or thinking in those terms, you yourself are thinking of time objectively in that time must be built up of objectified and infinitely thin "3D pasts". That is like looking at a time slider bar on a youtube video. It cannot be that way as 0 + 0 x infinity=0.
@onexdata thank you for your interesting comments. At the moment this is the only way in which I imagine how past events could be fixed in a higher spacetime dimension. Would an ever changing "eternal now" landscape of past, present and future events be a better analogy? I'm hopeless with mathematics... btw, what's wrong with your analogy of looking at a time slider bar on a youtube video?
@adriansalamandre I suck at math too. I am not sure what you mean by "eternal now". The problem with the analogy to a time slider on a youtube video is several: Our universe does not "pause" like a youtube video slider can, at least, it cannot pause while you ponder it. Also, a youtube video is built of images or slides, and you can step back or forward through them. Our universe is not built of images or slides, it's built, or run by, potential moments, something very different
@onexdata yes, our subjective understanding or perception of time does not allow us to go back or forward, pause etc. but i'm suggesting that consciousnesses above our level CAN perceive time less subjectively then us mere humans. Beings made of light, commonly called angels are free from the shackles of matter and are frre to travel up down and even pause at any particular moment in time. This is the whole point of my videos, even though badly done.I only hope to share this possibility with you
@adriansalamandre I agree with you, the bible (although I don't follow it exactly) says angels can move in 4 directions at the same time. I think that anytime we place a restriction on human ability history shows we always break through it though. I think we can perceive time correctly, someone just has to show it to us in the right way, maybe that guy will be you.
@adriansalamandre if you were mad of light you would still be bound by the laws of thermodynamics. Humans are nothing more than an animal. what we call me is just an evolutionary advance to help us thrive. death is nothing more than endless dreamless sleep. relativity is hogwash. Einsteins own explanations deal with nothing more than perception of time and say nothing of the physical world.
@SteveUllom I disagree with you, I think that our universe is miraculous in nature and that death is just a passage into another potential existence. Noetic science shows how human minds can influence matter at distance, which I believe puts us way above the consciousness of animals.
@onexdata I agree and disagree with that, the 3rd dimensions and higher are created by "slides" of 2 dimensions stacked next to each other with gives depth. . And 3rd dimension stacked next to each other is what we perceive as time. The 2nd dimension is created by a relativity of 2 one dimensional points. The "now" is just the 3rd dimension we are in at the exact moment of the now.
@CanadianStoner1001 I understand what you're saying but that's not possible. 2D has no "depth" what so ever. It's *not* like stacking "2D" sheets of paper on each other to get a 3D "stack" of papers. Realize that a "2D" sheet of paper is actually a 3D sheet of paper with very little depth, so when you stack it, you get a cumulative of it's depth. Stacking *actual* 2D objects *always* cumulatively equals zero depth. no depth + no depth = no depth. Do you see? You're on the wrong track.
@adriansalamandre For example quantum mechanics says that an atom or a photon *is* everywhere it *can* be until you decide to check, when you check, you focus it's potential to one location, and it can be observed, but otherwise, mathematically, you treat that atom or photon or anything else as a probability field, or potential moment. So yes, you can go back in time, perhaps you do, *every day*, perhaps that is how you "experience" memories? You actually go back and "relive" that moment.
@adriansalamandre But look at what happens when you go back in time in the real-universe: if you go back to the day you were born, your mind un-ages, your thoughts un-learn, and your body un-grows as you travel backward until you are a baby yourself, just as you were at that moment, so now how do you *know* you traveled backward? You literally un-did everything that was done in the future. There is no point of reference to the future, because you un-made them all by going back.
@adriansalamandre So, with a video slider, you simply move the slider and the video goes backward, because you are only observering (the slider affects the video, not you), but with time travel, you must move the whole universe *around* the slider, so that it is the slider, or you, that is the only thing that does not change, otherwise you will never know that you time traveled, because *knowing* requires thinking, or pondering or what-not, and that *needs* time to flow forward to work.
@adriansalamandre So I think us moving forward in time is like us all being on a rock (like earth) but instead of it moving along the X-axis at a certain speed, it's moving along the time-axis at a certain speed, perhaps by chance, but the tools of cognition have evolved around the necessity of time moving forward to "know" or "learn" things. So we can move in a different time direction, but knowing we were successful at it is impossible until we develop new tools to "know" we did.
@adriansalamandre Maybe this is going to far in a youtube comment, but there is another idea; That thought itself is the 4th/5th dimension: You travel forward in what you think of as "time" along a decision path or thought "forward", and when you decide to do something or not do it, you travel in another "up" or "down" axis, crating new undulations in an alternate universe (i.e. you moved the water, you blew up the stone, etc.) And "moving" objects are also moving through dimension 4/5...
@adriansalamandre The trick is it's happening all around you, but you're just looking at it wrong: Change itself, IS time, and IS choice: think: 3D accounts for the "positions", but not the act of moving, or choosing to move, how do you move something? You need some *time* to move a rock from here to there. You need to focus, or decide, to move the rock from here to there, some "force" has to act on it, otherwise, it stays in it's 3D position forever. We *are* creatures that live beyond 3D
@adriansalamandre To answer your question; yes and no. Humans don't usually perceive time at all; a human must have time to perceive anything; that is a requirement of perception. So, when humans think of time they may perceive it as an object, but gravity turned out to not be an object, it is a law; so is time, so is energy, etc., we just haven't found the law for time. There is something more you and I are still missing, your videos and comments are pushing toward that missing idea though.
And what makes you think the state of cognition we are more often in teaches us any more about the nature of reality? The nature of reality is that it is subjective. Our patterns of thinking persisted because they increased our survival ability and were selected for.
What makes you think that drugs puts you into a different "state of cognition"? That's a pretty base assumption that is really quite arrogant to make. I might say that it allows for your brain to have hallucinations regarding objective images as well as the experience of time. How is hallucinating, a different consciousness? It is absolutely not. The nature of reality is not subjective whatsoever. Only our perception of the facts is. You can trip all you want but e still equals mc^2
@thejugglenaut91 drugs may take you away from what you think of as reality, but it demonstrates you that the way we perceive our world is only one possible perspective. there is no such thing as reality or truth. the world is nothing but our perception and all certainty an illusion.
@instrumentenmacher no, if you're on drugs, time still exists, people still exists, the laws of physics still exists, and everything still maintains consistency. Why would you want to be taken away from true reality? Away from the present moment? In my experience and in my own practice, people took psychadelic drugs to get away from reality. Then there was an ongoing justification that it enhances you spiritually. I don't think you are any different.
@instrumentenmacher "the world is nothing but our perception and all certainty an illusion. " Spoken like a true acid freak. Please, do yourself and favor and stick to the strict sciences and mathematics. It's much more enjoyable and much more real. Why do you think particle physicists and cosmologists don't do drugs? These are the people that are coming up with the real trippy theories and formulas about the universe, yet no drugs whatsoever. It's science and only science that explains reality.
@adriansalamandre because I've done them. I did four hits of acid the first time I ever tried it, and I didn't have a bad trip. Even so, I do denounce them wholeheartedly. That is because, I had my fun, had my trippy "reality isn't real" experiences, and I grew the fuck up.
@thejugglenaut91 Some people suffer from 2D perception which may be a window into how animals view 3D objects. blind patients who have had their sight restored explain how they cannot percieve depth. One example was a man who could not distinguish a flat disc from a sphere, until he was allowed to pick them up! Faces look flat even though they know that they aren't etc.
@adriansalamandre btw, the loss of depth perception isn't 2d vision. Animals don't see in 2d either. There is no physical way, nor is there any medical case, that one can view in 2d other than in your imagination or in an abstract geometrical sense. I.e. there's no physical object that is in 2d because it will always have a depth to it, no matter how small.
@DubbleLzNhell good point, but with our highly developed cognitive powers, we conceive depth. But most animals probably see flat and conceive flat. But then again, I know nothing for sure.
@adriansalamandre Many animals conceive depth, many conceive spatial reality better than most humans, but that is due to better tools; humans have 2 eyes, the 2nd eye shows us that depth exists without us having to extrapolate that idea in our minds... flies with many eyes can land on a fluttering bird in a fraction of a second without a second thought; they have a bigger window into reality as a *tool*. Humans are special in that our tool is the mind. We can transcend tools with ideas/math.
If animals only see in 2d, because they have no perception of time, what the hell does everything look like around them? The vid said that a 3d image has no time, so it is just a snapshot, or one image. So animals don't see like, things moving...?
Please do not criticize my lack of knowledge as well, thank you. =]
@FataleChryses Some people suffer from 2D perception which may be a window into how animals view 3D objects. blind patients who have had their sight restored explain how they cannot percieve depth. One example was a man who could not distinguish a flat disc from a sphere, until he was allowed to pick them up! Faces look flat even though they know that they aren't etc.
@FataleChryses Maybe animals percieve different angles of objects as movements in the objects!
here's an example. If we turn a flat circle of paper through 90° we first see it as an ellipse and then as a thin strip of paper as we see it edge on (this is thanks to our concepts about geometry). But an animal will probably come to the conclusion that the paper itself is changing shape! mind blowing eh?
This video bodes well with my own theories, especially the perpendicularity of each dimension to the preceding one. Many of us have read theories of parallel universes, the multiverse and quantum multiverses that spring forth from the choices we make at every instant. My own developing theory is that of the "Perpendicular Universe." For those who require a God to explain everything, time, or the illusion of time, exists so everything doesn't happen all at once. :-)
This is a very valuable recognition, and if one understood nothing else other than this, then they should still be able to understand everything else.
This also shows why many are uncomfortable defining 4d as time.
@crawlFace ime is the subjective perception of erosion. mathematical physics is the reification of abstractions. contradiction after contradiction and people still preach it. One is the only number that exists. 2 is 2 ones 3 is 3 ones 4 is 4 ones. these people play a number game. they change it every time they hit a dead end. they use terms which contradict themselves to prove their point. the same person who says things can not be infinitely small uses a line of infinite points in his proofs.
I feel time cannot be an illusion because we have time dilation when an object accelerates towards the speed of light or around objects of great mass. Empty space has the lowest possible energy level so I can see where you are coming from!
Do you think energy or mass could form its own time out of the fabric of spacetime?
@Teresupne eh? that cannot be precisely correct. Just being on this earth in orbit around the sun which orbits around our galaxy we are moving extremely fast.... and that was just the first discrepancy that came to mind.
@CorpseShredder18 Wow I'm really sorry to say but you are WAY off. The Earth is moving at way less than a fraction of 1% of the speed of light [tens of thousands of MPH/KPH] Compared to 186,000 miles per second. That argument holds no water. Research before you argue. You are WAY out of your league in this matter.
It is crucial that we continue to understand our familiar terms in such dynamic values! Although we can debate specifics, the point is that we are applying increased recognition to our traditional systems: quantum behavior is not limited to a quantum nature but then even a rock has its relationship. We have to be careful in how we define these identities in things other than us, so to speak, especially as we approach the identity of what is us?
I thought that we were discussing 'science' here. I can see no part for 'imagination' in science except for initial ideas. Once these ideas are formulated into a mathematical model, it's observation, reason & experiment that must take over. If a theory is put forward and tested, then anybody ought to be able to perform those tests and get the same results.
Saying that you 'use your imagination to measure it' just isn't scientific at all.
it is not possible to use relative tools to measure the ultimate. Relative phenomena comes to it's own conclusion. If you want to move beyond the semantics (time doesn't exist and so) you have to accept two levles of truth. To define truth needs a referance point. So there are two truths, the ultimate changeless nature, and relative ego. Have fun
It's just my guess, but if you think of the first dimention, IE a straight line, the a perpendicular line across it in the second dimention would only appear in one position. Ergo, time, or the fourth dimention, would be 'perpendicular' to the first three, hence why we can only observe one point in it.
time is how humans perceive a series of events. for instance when you say you have a doctors appointment at this specific time, your actually indirectly rephrasing the sentence that when the earth is at this position on this part of the day i have an appointment. its all spacial perception. all of our measurements of time are divisions of 1 earth revolution around the sun.
Time, space and gravity are illusions. The universe is continually created and resolving it doesnt expand into something, theres no edge, no "size" Entangle entities occupy same space. Not so entangled entities appearing separate to observers. As matter resolves, the illusion of space collapses between them as observed as gravitational attraction and motion as wave functions presses to in-phase becoming one. Cosmic red shift is illusion of matter shrinking not an expanding universe.
Salvidor Dali seemed to think that time was esenualy'soft and flexable' as apposed to the rigid, in-flexable stuff that the non Existential Dadaist experiences.
To me the future dose not exist,and niether do the pasts, all that'is' is the present, and the other two concepts are solely human constructs, used to make sence of the continuous unbroken 'thread' of time that we call self -awaitness. please read Edwin Abbot's book, Flatland' writen before the current Ideas of quantum fact,were known.
It must be a rew button ... probably in our heads. To me it seems like I have a wish to see what is gona happen tomorrow and that is exactly why tomorrow happens . Experiment with rats on cocain and marijuana tells me that . So time is probably and very simply only in our heads ... minds...whatever .
Could the spacetime continuum have symmetry and geometry? Newton believed Time was a thing in itself and connected to motion and Einstein believed there was something missing from quantum mechanics. In my video The Paradox of Schrodingers Cat an artist view it is Time that is the Hidden Variable.
isn't time just how we measure our life span i don't think it is important/relivant to the universe because it probably doesn't have a finite life span and as far as i know is not aware of its existence as we are so it is only relivant to living creatures unless god is the universe and is aware of its self...............i think.
Eh...not quite. Certain species of animals have been shown to be aware of themselves.The white 'cross and mirror' experiments have proven this.Primates, Dolphins, even Elephants understand who has the mark in the mirror and that it was not there before..
I agree with you, some animals, dogs for example, must be aware of themselves. in some ocations, I have notice that when I am talking with my boyfriend about our dog and we say his name he will immidiately look at us, like if he knew we are talking about him.
Don't stop at the shrooms!
lightitupfool 1 month ago
Time has to be the first dimension because any concept we have of it involves the change of one state to another. The point becoming two points would be a time stamp that can be observed. And so on until a line, sheet and cube where created. With out this things would remain in a constant state with no possibility for change.
TCupUK 3 months ago
If a monkey pointed a gun at me id'e put my hands up !
brindow1 3 months ago
OK, if all the differing levels we find in nature are put a sliding scale of consciousness with minerals at the bottom, then plants will have some incredibly dim notion of time, but only relative to rocks. btw, my experiences with lsd and psilocybin did in no way increase my knowedge regarding this subject. Where did i go wrong? lol
adriansalamandre 6 months ago
to say that a plant does not have any form of perception of time is not correct. Wow guy eat more shrooms and maybe you'll learn more.
snotnosejoe 6 months ago
AND AS FOR TIME BEING THE FOURTH DIMENSION...I THINK I CAN DIG IT. I THINK. SO THAT MEANS....MOTION IS THE FOURTH DIMENSION!!
skytrooper1980 6 months ago
AND AS FOR TIME BEING THE FOURTH DIMENSION...I THINK I CAN DIG IT. I THINK.
skytrooper1980 6 months ago
TIME IS MOTION
AND SINCE MOTION IS RELATIVE TO ENVIRONMENT, TIME IS RELATIVE. KINDA LIKE SALVADOR DALI'S CLOCK PICTURE.
skytrooper1980 6 months ago
Is this video an illusion ?
zimtran007 7 months ago
@zimtran007 Yes, this video is an illusion, but a real illusion nevertheless.
adriansalamandre 7 months ago
@adriansalamandre But if reality is an illusion, and this video is part of reality then it is just a sub-illusion of the greater illision which is to say not real and so not a real illusion, however illusory the concept of reality may be one could make any number of allusions to illusion and still the truth remains elusive. Know what I mean ?
zimtran007 7 months ago
@zimtran007 oh yes. We are all in the same boat. But it helps pass the time and that's a good thing.
adriansalamandre 7 months ago
ower own invention time is not wat u think u choze to move u move yf u stop the "watch"that will not stop u or the sun its movement fizics graviti not time u stop u move time doze not exist simply because wee like too meajure it
11111andi 8 months ago
y have the best response my english is not verry good but y'm shure u will understand time dose not exist time is just the wai man likes too kall mejuring time its just a name wee invented there is noo time if wee choze not to kalkulate it we chose to kalkulate throo a simple spin of the sun we are studiing ower own
11111andi 8 months ago
@11111andi Your English is a hell of a lot worse than 'not verry good'. I'll tell you that for nothing.
zimtran007 7 months ago
I find this relation between animals and dimension a non-existent one. I believe that all animals and life in the 4 dimensions - otherwise how do we observe these things!!
funkpunkgotthespunk 9 months ago
I find this relation between animals and dimension a non-existent one. I believe that all animals and life in the 4 dimensions - otherwise how do we observe these things!!
funkpunkgotthespunk 9 months ago
Times up, have to go.
nikolayzou 9 months ago
Humans are Primates
jbanta12 9 months ago 2
@jbanta12 speak for yourself
adriansalamandre 9 months ago
@adriansalamandre It is factually correct to say that humans are a member of the great apes. When you look at a chimp, gorilla, etc. ur looking at our cousins
KayC604 8 months ago
@KayC604 5OO years ago it was factually correct to say that the sun rotates around the earth. Facts change, but maybe you are right that chimps and gorillas are your cousins. You said it, not me.
adriansalamandre 8 months ago
@adriansalamandre No facts don't change, its just that the CHURCH tried to spread misinformation as fact. LEGITIMATE facts withstand time and scientific scrutiny, they do not change. And what do u have against being an ape? apes are very intelligent. LOL u must be religious
KayC604 8 months ago
@KayC604 Facts DO change. Understanding changes in all aspects of science, art, philosophy etc. And I am not religious. Did you actually watch the video, or just jump to conclusions beforehand?
adriansalamandre 8 months ago
@jbanta12 more like advanced apes, still making monkey noises
gosunecro 7 months ago
@gosunecro ook, ook.
zimtran007 7 months ago
4th dimension is not really a full dimension... Our world is constructed by the number we know as Pi, and since that number is 3.14... first three numbers created a full and stable 3 space dimensions and since there was not enough "material" to create a fourth stable dimension, that dimensional miss-product is known as time. It is actually quite mind-boggling how all that came into place...
D3w10n 9 months ago
@D3w10n
That's the most incredible pseudo-science I've ever heard.
ChaosDynamics 7 months ago
@ChaosDynamics Its not pseudo-science, I actually found this out with some scripts for Blender 3D :)
D3w10n 7 months ago
@D3w10n
Sometimes I wonder, why do scientists spend billions on particle accelerator such as CERN to help them understand the concept of time (amongst other things) when they could just go to Blender TV.
ChaosDynamics 7 months ago
@ChaosDynamics LOL, Blender is a free 3D software, but I found some python scripts on net that can be used to modify dimensional structure of program, so you can (kinda) use different inputs to calculate dimensions (irrational numbers logarithms etc.), so if you use Pi as a dimensional input, you get (random?) polygon scattering that changes based on your Pi settings (10, 100, 1000 or X number of digits per second)... I don't know what Blender TV is, I live in 3rd world country xD
D3w10n 7 months ago
@D3w10n
Soz, I meant Blender 3D.
But relating pi to time makes no sense whatsoever. The number pi derives from 2D geometry. Saying that the 3 "whole" diameters of pi correspond to the first 3 dimensions and that the 0.14 of a diameter at the end corresponds to time shows a lack of knowledge of what pi is. It corresponds to amount of time the length of the diameters (a diameter is 1D as it is a line) that fit around the circumference of a circle (2D). The 0.14 has nothing to do with time.
ChaosDynamics 7 months ago
@ChaosDynamics I just said that Pi is the ONLY "number" that made any change to polygonal structure... Why? I don't know... Does it have something to do with how time "works"? I don't know... It worked, and "Pi" is probably some constant that also manifests when you divide circle circumference with diameter... Also, I guess you know that Pi is not only 3.14, its transcendental number (decimal point goes to ~infinity).
D3w10n 7 months ago
but why do you believe god exist what is your personal evidence or experiences that have led you to believe that something you have never witnessed or heard is 100% real. cant you leave a little room for doubt since you dont have absolute proof. I am sure you're faith in his reality is comforting to you but tell me what convinced you absolutely that he exist. With so many possibilities, evolution, ancient alien theories its endless why just limit yourself to one idea why not leave yourself open.
OrganicThumb420 10 months ago
@OrganicThumb420 If there was 100% proof that God exists, then would you have freewill? Proof denies faith.
And please don't tell me what I've witnessed or not, as simply you know nothing about me. You are projecting on me how you see the world, and in this respect, it is you who is limited. Just because I do not mention "ancient alien theories" as you put it does not mean that I do not have an opinion on this subject. God's existence is not neccesarily comforting to me as I am a bad person.
adriansalamandre 10 months ago
yes lol you would have the freedom of looking over the evidence and coming to your own conclusion god doesn't make control you right. And i wasnt implying any supernatural experiences i am just asking, besides a book based on bronze age myths what other evidence do you have personally not what a preacher or society has told you. In science i can purchase an electron microscope and see the quantum world and relate to what i have read in books but how do you relate to the bible or youre god.
OrganicThumb420 10 months ago
@OrganicThumb420 interesting books on this subject include "tertium organum" by P.D. Ouspensky,
"Superluminous man" by Pr. Regis Dutheuil "The tao of physics" by Fritjof Capra and "A guide for the perplexed" by E.M. Schumacher...I think that should keep you occupied for a while but I can recommend many others if you like.
adriansalamandre 10 months ago
but yes you are right without true evidence all you have is faith. Just like the greeks had fatih in zeus and their many gods the muslims have faith in allah. Throughout time the human animal has had faith in many things. as a kid i had faith that santa clause was he real because i was told so by my parents and i saw him commercialized.NO, it wasn't until i evolved and grew that i realized it was all a fairytale. Maybe the religious are in the same state i was when i was 5.
OrganicThumb420 10 months ago
@OrganicThumb420 er...i am not religious. How old are you now? Ten?
adriansalamandre 10 months ago
but why do you believe god exist what is your personal evidence or experiences that have led you to believe that something you have never witnessed or heard is 100% real. cant you leave a little since you dont have absolute proof. I am sure you're faith in his reality is comforting to you but tell me what convinced you absolutely that he exist. With so many possibilities, evolution, ancient alien theories its endless why just limit yourself to one idea why not leave your open.
OrganicThumb420 10 months ago
@adriansalamandre
Simply put, You stated a fact, This is YOUR BELIEF.
gavion81 11 months ago
@gavion81 I accept the idea that God exists, but it would be impossible to prove this. However, I can be as bold as to suggest a model of a dimensional hierarchy in which the concept God is included. This is not my belief, nor do I say it is a fact, it is only my opinion.
adriansalamandre 11 months ago
Romans 1:21-23
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
steelcantuna 11 months ago
Started out interesting, but quickly became nonsensical - sorry, but "I think that..." is simply not a valid argument :S ...there is simply no reasonable coupling between dimensions and the complexity he's arguing about :-/.
Furthermore he backs it with incorrect (albeit not always entirely wrong) scientific knowledge (like dimensions that "need" to be orthogonal to each other; anyone with basic insight in linear algebra would know that the basis vectors need only be linearly independent)
DigitizedSelf 11 months ago
@DigitizedSelf Oh, just to be clear; not trying to come down hard on the guy and I appreciate the effort - it's just too bad that it wasn't sufficiently researched/thought through to actually make sense :-/
Anyway, hope he keeps pondering - it's a good way to expand ones horizons ;-)
DigitizedSelf 11 months ago
@DigitizedSelf Who's arguing? If I start a sentence "I think that..." I'm clearly expressing my opinion, which I already know counts for nothing...lol
adriansalamandre 11 months ago
@adriansalamandre Apparently no one then - nice to know you're aware of it yourself ;-). Keep digging into the science-stuff though; we'll always need people who can generate new ideas ^.^
DigitizedSelf 11 months ago
@adriansalamandre Oh, and I think you'd like videos like "Time Travel And Complexity" by BestOfScience - it's related to the topic of your video and pretty nicely done ^.^
DigitizedSelf 11 months ago
@adriansalamandre The interesting question is why people become so angry
over this argument. It's either 'right' or it's 'wrong'? But to result in anger
probably says a lot about the 'mind program'.For both believers or non-believers
their belief on this subject plays an important role in their mind paradigm.
Remove 'this line' from their mental program results in a physical consequence
most likely depression.So defense of the 'idea' is a defense of the body.
Anger is part of the defense.
fntime 10 months ago
@fntime thank you for your interesting comment! Yes, I agree that this subject can lead to anger and defence mechanisms linked to fundamental perceptions by the psyche...it don't like to be messed with!
I want to find a better, more gentle way in which to present this idea to hopefully avoid triggering depression.
The main point of these videos was to introduce the idea that angels and God exist in a hierarchy linked to space/time, but there's very little feedback on this...I wonder why? lol
adriansalamandre 10 months ago
@adriansalamandre that's clever :)
TEARDUCTER 9 months ago
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DigitizedSelf 11 months ago
Time doesn't really exist, it's just to show the evolution of the objects
aznboy3213 11 months ago
@aznboy3213 but how can you say that when moving on high speeds where the time slows down? and achieving speed of light will stop the time for you? going farther than speed of light will make you go to the past, and so on?
DrKillaser 11 months ago
@DrKillaser idk,my perception of time is the evolution of all matters
aznboy3213 11 months ago
@gregrutz you didnt waste your time, you wated energy, time doe not exist, energy does. you never waste time, you only waste energy.
simba90s 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre Have you heard of the video Imagining the 10th dimension?
pokemon068 1 year ago
@pokemon068 I've just had a look and i found it very entertaining! i'll have a look at the website link too. I found a lot of useful information in books by P.D.Ouspensky entitled "Tertium Organum" and by E.E.Schumacher "A guide for the perplexed" before linking dimensional leaps with levels of perception in nature, but there is a lot of literature out there on this fascinating subject.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
bible says "And time was no more" time is a funtion of space its self and is a fungable energy source we use daily (electricity) , those who manage time by
attributing it to a idea rather than a force do its research a great dishonor by marginalizining its tenuity and effectua and tangability
badboybilzer 1 year ago
@Wraithofvolsunga Thank you for having taken the time to watch and I really appreciate your interesting and constructive comments.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
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I don't know about anyone else, but this actually makes me feel kind of lonely thinking about time. It's like, would if each of us is on our own timeline somehow, and none of us are really ever 'together'. Like a friend of mine might be ten years behind the timeline I'm in so his bodies there but the actual "consciousness" of the experience he has when we talk arrives only ten years later, so that I've talked with his body but only ten years later with his actual conscious.....
TheAlexander356 1 year ago
cool video, i dont get the part about the plants being on level 3 - two dimensions. they have 3 dimensions.. im pretty sure they are not consciousness of anything.. everything made sense.
USMCRazorbacks 1 year ago
@USMCRazorbacks Thank you! the 1st. level is nothing= zero dimensions, so this means that level 3 has 2 dimension of consciousness, not to be confused with physical existence. I agree that a plant's consciousness is vastly inferior to that of human beings, but in this model everything is a part of a conscious universe and beyond...
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
thank you! one of the finest examples of why this video site was created!
joeygarage77 1 year ago
Time was created by humans just to organize their universe, so obviusly is an abstract concept.
asdfero 1 year ago
Existence related to consciousness as displayed in hallucinogenic compounds?
I'm excited now!!! You got my attention man
Jordainio 1 year ago
@Jordainio Please see my website for the details on this part. It's pages "Adam and Eve" Thanks for watching!
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
Thanks alot for this
MAGICDRAGONPETE 1 year ago
@MAGICDRAGONPETE thank you for watching!
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
What a ridiculous thing to say that animals are not aware/consciouse of their own existence.
musicmind9 1 year ago
@musicmind9 amazingly, most humans are not conscious of their own existence on a daily basis and we forget this all the time. it is one of the biggest insults know to man, because no-one wants to admit that they are often "elsewhere" thinking of something related to the past, or why the car in front won't get out of the way...even when we're in front of a mirror, we are very rarly aware of our own existence. Animals often don't even recognise their own reflection in a mirror.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
A dog has the same level of consciousness as a human. A human is just more intelligent.
akrivera 1 year ago
@akrivera not necessarily so...
adriansalamandre 1 year ago 5
@adriansalamandre You should define consciousness before you base claims on it.
Distinguish between the materialistic brain evolution and the non-materialistic term "consciousness", which is not even acknowledged by scientists (and Atheists) .
I agree with @akrivera.
musicmind9 1 year ago
@musicmind9 Most scientists who agree with the theory of evolution do not like discussions about consciousness, because it is not easy to weigh, measure nor quantify. Consciousness invokes a higher state of being, often associated with meditating yogis. Even scientists have actually proven that meditating yogis can alter their brain functions and reach a higher level of awareness. Consciousness can have lower or higher levels depending in which individual it manifests.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
imagine if the sun never went down, even scarier
MetaITV 1 year ago
In what way do you believe that time is an illusion? In the sense that the objects we perceive are actually changing, or the fact of change itself? Concerning passage, it could be possible for a mind to move through out the 4-D block along time. Of course, this rejects the former but retains the latter.
The problem with a representation is that it does not account for passage, which some have either rejected and tried to account for, or otherwise.
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LMOH1 1 year ago
@LMOH1Maybe I should not have used the word illusion! Most of the time we think of time as a linear phenomenon with each individual moment existing independently from the past and the future. I think some humans are able to capture (perceive) potential future events and break through this linear and fixed perception of time. I'm going to find a better way to communicate these ideas, I didn't put enough time into the making of these videos...
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre Okay then. I just want to ask you one more question. Do you perceive time as a sort of "static block" or any variation of it like in the theory of the "block universe" (if you heard about it)?
LMOH1 1 year ago
@LMOH1 I hadn't heard of it, until just now (then) but many thanks for this!
Intuitively, I think that an indeterminable number of different realities exist (multiverse theory) and that there exist higher consciousnesses whom can percieve these realities as we pereive three dimensional objects. Our choices are not pre-determined, but they can send "ripples" out in all directions, both into the past and future.
For me, these "block universes" would be more like "liquid crystal displays" lol
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
Remember, folks. Everything in this video are his personal opinions on a topic that is thoroughly difficult to understand for lifeforms with our level of intelligence.
He correlates "animals" with the third dimension, being unaware of their own existence. This would indicate that they have an inability to perceive time. This cannot be true, however, as "animals" use a section of their brain tissue to store physical information based on past interactions in nature.
KatraVait 1 year ago
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They also have the ability to react to the conditions within this tissue located within themselves. This is the phenomenon of "memory". The different points in their "memory" gives rise to the ability to perceive this world around them at many points in time. This "memory" is what gives them a perception of "time".
In short, animals do, in fact, have a sense of time. They simply lack some of the additional complexities that more intelligent organisms have in their ability to analyse memory.
KatraVait 1 year ago
They also have the ability to react to the conditions within this tissue located within themselves. This is the phenomenon of "memory". The different points in their "memory" gives rise to the ability to perceive this world around them at many points in time. This "memory" is what gives them a perception of "time".
In short, animals do, in fact, have a sense of time. They simply lack some of the additional complexities that more intelligent organisms have in their ability to analyse memory.
KatraVait 1 year ago
Time as a dimension is nonsensical and absurd. it is being pushed by mathematical physicists to give them new abstract numbers to reificate. Is there not a law that states that things can not be infinity small? so how can a line of infinite points pertain to the objective world? mathematical physics is a hugh setback. numbers and geometry are not physical objects and can never be. 2 does not exist. 2 is what we call 2 ones. only one exists.infinite lines with no width do not exist. maths a game.
SteveUllom 1 year ago
Humans do not perceive time objectively. We are subjective to the environment, and unable to tell if the Earth slows down or speeds up. This is the advantage of atomic clocks, by picking a independent vibrating molecule--that is stable--we get objective measurements by physics. The objective atomic clocks makes it possible to tell if Earth is speeding up or slowing down, and has also been used to measure the rotation of the Sun that has a different internal rotation rate.
WOWJBEOWULF 1 year ago
yes
BRIANGOODSP33D 1 year ago
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so." Douglas Adams
Robikus 1 year ago
i like the george bush touch brilliant!
view1210 1 year ago
Time is obviously an illusion that manifests in our consciousness. Time is something that your brain does to explain the connection of moments throughout your entire life until the day you die. The past wouldn't exist if there is no conscious observer there to 'know' of it. Nor would the future exist if there isn't an observer to anticipate it. As for it being the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is a direction completely non-existent in our 3 dimensional universe.
TheFourthHouse 1 year ago
Time is no illusion. Humans are curious little beings..
HigherLevelEntity 1 year ago
How can you tell, that animals are not aware of their own existence?
MiSha400 1 year ago
@MiSha400 @MiSha400 Thanks for your question. I think everything is relative and it's based on the fact that I am very rarely aware of my own existence...sad, but true. Just fleeting glimpses of self-awareness. I've heard that a few animals (dolphins, chimpanzees and elephants) can actually recognise themselves in a mirror, but maybe only when the mirror is in front of them.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@MiSha400 you cant. there is a chance they are if the have a cerebral cortex. without it there is no chance at all.
SteveUllom 1 year ago
6:38 nobody is going to take you seriously with a picture like that....
WiiHomebrew101 1 year ago
@WiiHomebrew101 Thanks for the tip, I will make new videos on this subject soon...maybe the photo at 6:58 will make people take voting more seriously!
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
i dont have the time to talk about time. Wtf is Moonay.
IHateYourFaceYo 1 year ago
A point and a line has no mass and no dimensional space, so stacking an infinite number of them together does not in any way, lead to another dimension; stacking infinity of them together still leads to 0 or 1 dimension, 0+0 x infinity still = 0. the same thing with a plane, and then also with a cube; you cannot stack infinity cubes to get to "time", you just have a lot of cubes in 3D. To get to a higher dimension you must add a dimension, you cannot "break through" by stacking.
onexdata 1 year ago
@onexdata Good point. But I still maintain that our perception of time relies on an infinite number of streaming 3 dimensional "snapshots", which are stacked. Most of us asume that past events no longer exist, but I think they do, but they are somewhere beyond our perceptions in another dimension of spacetime. Do you think humans perceive time objectively or not?
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre I think you are onto something with the past still existing, but I think you are limiting yourself (maybe without realizing it) when you assume that the past is built of streaming "snapshots". By saying "snapshot" or thinking in those terms, you yourself are thinking of time objectively in that time must be built up of objectified and infinitely thin "3D pasts". That is like looking at a time slider bar on a youtube video. It cannot be that way as 0 + 0 x infinity=0.
onexdata 1 year ago
@onexdata thank you for your interesting comments. At the moment this is the only way in which I imagine how past events could be fixed in a higher spacetime dimension. Would an ever changing "eternal now" landscape of past, present and future events be a better analogy? I'm hopeless with mathematics... btw, what's wrong with your analogy of looking at a time slider bar on a youtube video?
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre I suck at math too. I am not sure what you mean by "eternal now". The problem with the analogy to a time slider on a youtube video is several: Our universe does not "pause" like a youtube video slider can, at least, it cannot pause while you ponder it. Also, a youtube video is built of images or slides, and you can step back or forward through them. Our universe is not built of images or slides, it's built, or run by, potential moments, something very different
onexdata 1 year ago
@onexdata yes, our subjective understanding or perception of time does not allow us to go back or forward, pause etc. but i'm suggesting that consciousnesses above our level CAN perceive time less subjectively then us mere humans. Beings made of light, commonly called angels are free from the shackles of matter and are frre to travel up down and even pause at any particular moment in time. This is the whole point of my videos, even though badly done.I only hope to share this possibility with you
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre I agree with you, the bible (although I don't follow it exactly) says angels can move in 4 directions at the same time. I think that anytime we place a restriction on human ability history shows we always break through it though. I think we can perceive time correctly, someone just has to show it to us in the right way, maybe that guy will be you.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre if you were mad of light you would still be bound by the laws of thermodynamics. Humans are nothing more than an animal. what we call me is just an evolutionary advance to help us thrive. death is nothing more than endless dreamless sleep. relativity is hogwash. Einsteins own explanations deal with nothing more than perception of time and say nothing of the physical world.
SteveUllom 1 year ago
@SteveUllom I disagree with you, I think that our universe is miraculous in nature and that death is just a passage into another potential existence. Noetic science shows how human minds can influence matter at distance, which I believe puts us way above the consciousness of animals.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@onexdata I agree and disagree with that, the 3rd dimensions and higher are created by "slides" of 2 dimensions stacked next to each other with gives depth. . And 3rd dimension stacked next to each other is what we perceive as time. The 2nd dimension is created by a relativity of 2 one dimensional points. The "now" is just the 3rd dimension we are in at the exact moment of the now.
CanadianStoner1001 1 year ago
@CanadianStoner1001 I understand what you're saying but that's not possible. 2D has no "depth" what so ever. It's *not* like stacking "2D" sheets of paper on each other to get a 3D "stack" of papers. Realize that a "2D" sheet of paper is actually a 3D sheet of paper with very little depth, so when you stack it, you get a cumulative of it's depth. Stacking *actual* 2D objects *always* cumulatively equals zero depth. no depth + no depth = no depth. Do you see? You're on the wrong track.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre For example quantum mechanics says that an atom or a photon *is* everywhere it *can* be until you decide to check, when you check, you focus it's potential to one location, and it can be observed, but otherwise, mathematically, you treat that atom or photon or anything else as a probability field, or potential moment. So yes, you can go back in time, perhaps you do, *every day*, perhaps that is how you "experience" memories? You actually go back and "relive" that moment.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre But look at what happens when you go back in time in the real-universe: if you go back to the day you were born, your mind un-ages, your thoughts un-learn, and your body un-grows as you travel backward until you are a baby yourself, just as you were at that moment, so now how do you *know* you traveled backward? You literally un-did everything that was done in the future. There is no point of reference to the future, because you un-made them all by going back.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre So, with a video slider, you simply move the slider and the video goes backward, because you are only observering (the slider affects the video, not you), but with time travel, you must move the whole universe *around* the slider, so that it is the slider, or you, that is the only thing that does not change, otherwise you will never know that you time traveled, because *knowing* requires thinking, or pondering or what-not, and that *needs* time to flow forward to work.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre So I think us moving forward in time is like us all being on a rock (like earth) but instead of it moving along the X-axis at a certain speed, it's moving along the time-axis at a certain speed, perhaps by chance, but the tools of cognition have evolved around the necessity of time moving forward to "know" or "learn" things. So we can move in a different time direction, but knowing we were successful at it is impossible until we develop new tools to "know" we did.
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre Maybe this is going to far in a youtube comment, but there is another idea; That thought itself is the 4th/5th dimension: You travel forward in what you think of as "time" along a decision path or thought "forward", and when you decide to do something or not do it, you travel in another "up" or "down" axis, crating new undulations in an alternate universe (i.e. you moved the water, you blew up the stone, etc.) And "moving" objects are also moving through dimension 4/5...
onexdata 1 year ago
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onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre The trick is it's happening all around you, but you're just looking at it wrong: Change itself, IS time, and IS choice: think: 3D accounts for the "positions", but not the act of moving, or choosing to move, how do you move something? You need some *time* to move a rock from here to there. You need to focus, or decide, to move the rock from here to there, some "force" has to act on it, otherwise, it stays in it's 3D position forever. We *are* creatures that live beyond 3D
onexdata 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre To answer your question; yes and no. Humans don't usually perceive time at all; a human must have time to perceive anything; that is a requirement of perception. So, when humans think of time they may perceive it as an object, but gravity turned out to not be an object, it is a law; so is time, so is energy, etc., we just haven't found the law for time. There is something more you and I are still missing, your videos and comments are pushing toward that missing idea though.
onexdata 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 You took 4 hits of acid and didn't transcend your ego? What did you do then?
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91
And what makes you think the state of cognition we are more often in teaches us any more about the nature of reality? The nature of reality is that it is subjective. Our patterns of thinking persisted because they increased our survival ability and were selected for.
Also, yes, it is fun. And then it transcends fun.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago
What makes you think that drugs puts you into a different "state of cognition"? That's a pretty base assumption that is really quite arrogant to make. I might say that it allows for your brain to have hallucinations regarding objective images as well as the experience of time. How is hallucinating, a different consciousness? It is absolutely not. The nature of reality is not subjective whatsoever. Only our perception of the facts is. You can trip all you want but e still equals mc^2
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 drugs may take you away from what you think of as reality, but it demonstrates you that the way we perceive our world is only one possible perspective. there is no such thing as reality or truth. the world is nothing but our perception and all certainty an illusion.
instrumentenmacher 1 year ago
@instrumentenmacher no, if you're on drugs, time still exists, people still exists, the laws of physics still exists, and everything still maintains consistency. Why would you want to be taken away from true reality? Away from the present moment? In my experience and in my own practice, people took psychadelic drugs to get away from reality. Then there was an ongoing justification that it enhances you spiritually. I don't think you are any different.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@instrumentenmacher "the world is nothing but our perception and all certainty an illusion. " Spoken like a true acid freak. Please, do yourself and favor and stick to the strict sciences and mathematics. It's much more enjoyable and much more real. Why do you think particle physicists and cosmologists don't do drugs? These are the people that are coming up with the real trippy theories and formulas about the universe, yet no drugs whatsoever. It's science and only science that explains reality.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
Time IS an illusion, just like space... but it's real for you, if you experience it.
MiSha400 1 year ago
simply answered: yes, it is.
jhstha 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 how do you know that taking halucinogenic drugs is fun?
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre because I've done them. I did four hits of acid the first time I ever tried it, and I didn't have a bad trip. Even so, I do denounce them wholeheartedly. That is because, I had my fun, had my trippy "reality isn't real" experiences, and I grew the fuck up.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 Some people suffer from 2D perception which may be a window into how animals view 3D objects. blind patients who have had their sight restored explain how they cannot percieve depth. One example was a man who could not distinguish a flat disc from a sphere, until he was allowed to pick them up! Faces look flat even though they know that they aren't etc.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre btw, the loss of depth perception isn't 2d vision. Animals don't see in 2d either. There is no physical way, nor is there any medical case, that one can view in 2d other than in your imagination or in an abstract geometrical sense. I.e. there's no physical object that is in 2d because it will always have a depth to it, no matter how small.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre No matter what angle you look at anything, it is flat.
DubbleLzNhell 1 year ago
@DubbleLzNhell good point, but with our highly developed cognitive powers, we conceive depth. But most animals probably see flat and conceive flat. But then again, I know nothing for sure.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre Many animals conceive depth, many conceive spatial reality better than most humans, but that is due to better tools; humans have 2 eyes, the 2nd eye shows us that depth exists without us having to extrapolate that idea in our minds... flies with many eyes can land on a fluttering bird in a fraction of a second without a second thought; they have a bigger window into reality as a *tool*. Humans are special in that our tool is the mind. We can transcend tools with ideas/math.
onexdata 1 year ago
Wait I'm confused.
If animals only see in 2d, because they have no perception of time, what the hell does everything look like around them? The vid said that a 3d image has no time, so it is just a snapshot, or one image. So animals don't see like, things moving...?
Please do not criticize my lack of knowledge as well, thank you. =]
FataleChryses 1 year ago
@FataleChryses Some people suffer from 2D perception which may be a window into how animals view 3D objects. blind patients who have had their sight restored explain how they cannot percieve depth. One example was a man who could not distinguish a flat disc from a sphere, until he was allowed to pick them up! Faces look flat even though they know that they aren't etc.
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@FataleChryses Maybe animals percieve different angles of objects as movements in the objects!
here's an example. If we turn a flat circle of paper through 90° we first see it as an ellipse and then as a thin strip of paper as we see it edge on (this is thanks to our concepts about geometry). But an animal will probably come to the conclusion that the paper itself is changing shape! mind blowing eh?
adriansalamandre 1 year ago
@adriansalamandre study physics to learn what is really mindblowing.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
This video bodes well with my own theories, especially the perpendicularity of each dimension to the preceding one. Many of us have read theories of parallel universes, the multiverse and quantum multiverses that spring forth from the choices we make at every instant. My own developing theory is that of the "Perpendicular Universe." For those who require a God to explain everything, time, or the illusion of time, exists so everything doesn't happen all at once. :-)
peadge01 1 year ago
@vasant85
Time is an illusion. There is an enternal 'now', thats all there is
cjsmith24 1 year ago 8
@cjsmith24 Now is an Illusion too :).
headlesshorsemen75 1 year ago
@cjsmith24 then tomarrow will be yesterday. IDiots.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@cjsmith24 easier said than done!
fntime 10 months ago
Time: 'it never started for it to end'
This is a very valuable recognition, and if one understood nothing else other than this, then they should still be able to understand everything else.
This also shows why many are uncomfortable defining 4d as time.
crawlFace 1 year ago 7
@crawlFace ime is the subjective perception of erosion. mathematical physics is the reification of abstractions. contradiction after contradiction and people still preach it. One is the only number that exists. 2 is 2 ones 3 is 3 ones 4 is 4 ones. these people play a number game. they change it every time they hit a dead end. they use terms which contradict themselves to prove their point. the same person who says things can not be infinitely small uses a line of infinite points in his proofs.
SteveUllom 1 year ago
@SteveUllom
Although there are many ways to describe it, I have no prob understanding and stating you are accurate with yours.
i would go as far as to say that the term "erosion" is close to sub-perception as well.
based on current uses of "erosion" what we mean is the duration of an expression/stabilization of existence.
And still, this duration is based off of the distinction between observable states,
so that simply put, we say : oh it is no longer this, or no longer of this form/position.
crawlFace 1 year ago
...the term illusion is the trouble.
Perhaps the illusion is anything that we think is an illusion.
crawlFace 1 year ago
It sounds like when we say that: time is an illusion.
... we mean the same problem we face with our senses.
for ex: we see certain colors for an object, but another of existence may see different, like black and white, etc. or ultra on the light spectrum.
Therefore: color/light is an illusion.
Furthermore: people may have different emotions for different things, and trees and insects even more difference someway else,
therefore: Emotion is an illusion.
so this starts to sound like...
crawlFace 1 year ago
I feel time cannot be an illusion because we have time dilation when an object accelerates towards the speed of light or around objects of great mass. Empty space has the lowest possible energy level so I can see where you are coming from!
Do you think energy or mass could form its own time out of the fabric of spacetime?
nickharvey7 1 year ago
Matter is light that has stopped moving and vice versa
Teresupne 1 year ago 2
@Teresupne eh? that cannot be precisely correct. Just being on this earth in orbit around the sun which orbits around our galaxy we are moving extremely fast.... and that was just the first discrepancy that came to mind.
CorpseShredder18 1 year ago
@CorpseShredder18 Wow I'm really sorry to say but you are WAY off. The Earth is moving at way less than a fraction of 1% of the speed of light [tens of thousands of MPH/KPH] Compared to 186,000 miles per second. That argument holds no water. Research before you argue. You are WAY out of your league in this matter.
Teresupne 3 months ago
It is crucial that we continue to understand our familiar terms in such dynamic values! Although we can debate specifics, the point is that we are applying increased recognition to our traditional systems: quantum behavior is not limited to a quantum nature but then even a rock has its relationship. We have to be careful in how we define these identities in things other than us, so to speak, especially as we approach the identity of what is us?
crawlFace 2 years ago
I thought that we were discussing 'science' here. I can see no part for 'imagination' in science except for initial ideas. Once these ideas are formulated into a mathematical model, it's observation, reason & experiment that must take over. If a theory is put forward and tested, then anybody ought to be able to perform those tests and get the same results.
Saying that you 'use your imagination to measure it' just isn't scientific at all.
johnjrp01 2 years ago
it is not possible to use relative tools to measure the ultimate. Relative phenomena comes to it's own conclusion. If you want to move beyond the semantics (time doesn't exist and so) you have to accept two levles of truth. To define truth needs a referance point. So there are two truths, the ultimate changeless nature, and relative ego. Have fun
Semnyi 2 years ago
You say that time is at right angles to the third spatial dimension. How do you measure that angle?
johnjrp01 2 years ago
This angle is something above our daily level of perception, so I would use my imagination in order to "measure" it...
adriansalamandre 2 years ago
It's just my guess, but if you think of the first dimention, IE a straight line, the a perpendicular line across it in the second dimention would only appear in one position. Ergo, time, or the fourth dimention, would be 'perpendicular' to the first three, hence why we can only observe one point in it.
thecoolgecko 2 years ago
time is how humans perceive a series of events. for instance when you say you have a doctors appointment at this specific time, your actually indirectly rephrasing the sentence that when the earth is at this position on this part of the day i have an appointment. its all spacial perception. all of our measurements of time are divisions of 1 earth revolution around the sun.
teamramrod456 2 years ago
your brain is illusion
amersi 2 years ago
Thank you! Happy new year to you too!
But I think you meant to write "your brain is an illusion".
adriansalamandre 2 years ago
Time, space and gravity are illusions. The universe is continually created and resolving it doesnt expand into something, theres no edge, no "size" Entangle entities occupy same space. Not so entangled entities appearing separate to observers. As matter resolves, the illusion of space collapses between them as observed as gravitational attraction and motion as wave functions presses to in-phase becoming one. Cosmic red shift is illusion of matter shrinking not an expanding universe.
spacedecoy 2 years ago
Salvidor Dali seemed to think that time was esenualy'soft and flexable' as apposed to the rigid, in-flexable stuff that the non Existential Dadaist experiences.
To me the future dose not exist,and niether do the pasts, all that'is' is the present, and the other two concepts are solely human constructs, used to make sence of the continuous unbroken 'thread' of time that we call self -awaitness. please read Edwin Abbot's book, Flatland' writen before the current Ideas of quantum fact,were known.
JUNKYARDOGvideos 2 years ago
It must be a rew button ... probably in our heads. To me it seems like I have a wish to see what is gona happen tomorrow and that is exactly why tomorrow happens . Experiment with rats on cocain and marijuana tells me that . So time is probably and very simply only in our heads ... minds...whatever .
Dackysballoons 2 years ago
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Interesting !!
Could the spacetime continuum have symmetry and geometry? Newton believed Time was a thing in itself and connected to motion and Einstein believed there was something missing from quantum mechanics. In my video The Paradox of Schrodingers Cat an artist view it is Time that is the Hidden Variable.
nickharvey7 2 years ago
isn't time just how we measure our life span i don't think it is important/relivant to the universe because it probably doesn't have a finite life span and as far as i know is not aware of its existence as we are so it is only relivant to living creatures unless god is the universe and is aware of its self...............i think.
djassimilator 2 years ago
time goes back word ..
aaronlikesalex 2 years ago
Νο such thing as time!
kalikatik1 2 years ago
Eh...not quite. Certain species of animals have been shown to be aware of themselves.The white 'cross and mirror' experiments have proven this.Primates, Dolphins, even Elephants understand who has the mark in the mirror and that it was not there before..
kmer909 2 years ago
I agree with you, some animals, dogs for example, must be aware of themselves. in some ocations, I have notice that when I am talking with my boyfriend about our dog and we say his name he will immidiately look at us, like if he knew we are talking about him.
LaEspriella 2 years ago
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this video sucks
Topnotch121 2 years ago
Time is an illusion - especially lunchtime
kisslite 2 years ago 4
I have no time for this...
SporeZoo 2 years ago
not even the time to write something...
adriansalamandre 2 years ago
Take this. I have some time for you.
sleepingeye 2 years ago