(6 of 14) ITS WRONG TO PAY FOR SEX DEBATE - CATHARINE MACKINNON

[GirlonFilm1969]

Yep, it's 'you do what I say'. As long as there's money involved there is obviously an inherent power imbalance.

[karlsmith00]

@kkm21780 sure, all she does is work as an attorney for human rights cases, a law professor at michigan, publish books about international law. all she has are numerious degrees from ivy league universities.

meanwhile, you are super accomplished and have done a lot with your life. you're a nobody. shut your ignorant mouth and get back to carl's jr. for your next shift.

[FyreBalletDancer]

Catharine is an amazing woman. There's no sexist problem she doesnt have answer to.

[Shukria123]

Ayatollah Catharine MacKinnon

[freestye08]

Totally Awesome Woman! She knows how to get to the point and bring it on home.

Thank you CATHARINE MACKINNON for your tuthful and effective debate on this issue. Those who didn't care for what she had to say really know how to express themselves. Reminds me of a bunch of 3 yr olds. Perhaps they will catch a deadly STD from oppressing...oops...I mean purchacing sex from... women before they reproduce.

[voneinemkindgefict]

No hookers would be around if woman were more effeminate and fucked more people. It's mens fault for not handling business. Who would pay for a hooker if two nice ladies just got done fucking them dry? No one. Save the world..suck a dick

[karlsmith00]

@voneinemkindgefict hookers will always be around because men are pigs. always have been and always will be.

yes, it is men's fault. men will pay and will always exploit women. save the world and kill yourself.

[voneinemkindgefict]

@karlsmith00 Its great that someone taught you how to read and write, but it still doesn't mean you have something to say. Even if men were not pigs, hookers would be around because women will do anything for shiny things. Small minds think alike and think predictably. That is how men control women. Women bitch out and flip out sort of like blacks because they have small minds.

[karlsmith00]

@voneinemkindgefict even if men were not pigs? AT LEAST YOU ADMIT THEY ARE PIGS.

i know. women make up the majority of college graduates and the workforce. we'll do anything!

men control women because they're fucking animals with insecure egos. that's what's going on in saudi arabia, afghanistan, the congo. you know nothing. and on top of that, you're racist too. what a prince! then you wonder why nobody wants you.

commit suicide. you should have been an abortion.

[voneinemkindgefict]

@karlsmith00 You are only angry because you are not a man and you wish that you were a man. If you are a good woman in this life then maybe in your next life you can be a man. Its pretty clear that you got raped and that was probably the last time you made someone else happy.

[karlsmith00]

@voneinemkindgefict yes, i wish. i wish i lashed out in violence when i didn't get my way. i wish i was a man in saudi arabia, where i could marry a 9 year old. i wish i was a man in the congo, where i could rape multiple times a day. i wish i was a man so i could commit violent crime.

i've never been the victim of any crime. you're just an irrational stupid boy, and you shouldn't be allowed to use a computer. there is no second life.

get a job, pig. nobody cares what you think.

[voneinemkindgefict]

@karlsmith00 So how many men turned you down before you became a lesbian?

[karlsmith00]

@voneinemkindgefict nobody has ever turned me down, sweetie. men will poke anything. you know that.

btw, how original! trying to insult me by saying that i'm a homosexual, as if that's the worst insult there is. good one.

get back to raping your real doll.

[voneinemkindgefict]

@karlsmith00 Do you own a pair of Garfield slippers? How many articles of clothing do you own with Winnie the Pooh characters on them?

[ZioZambe]

It's not about choices, it's about CHANCES! When it's raining shit (or even if you're simply lazy) you know that you have the CHANCE to be a prostitute and earn a lot of money in a small time. If you then get used to the money you can't just say "I can't get out". Yes you can!!! Just stop selling your body, renounce the money, and you're out!

I DO WANT "EQUALITY"!!!!! The equality to make 1000$ in a day just selling my body if the things turn really bad!

[ZioZambe]

Have you ever noticed that women who speak about rape, prostitution, feminism and stuff like that are women you would never have sex with in the first place? :D

[DelinquentBilly]

@ZioZambe I'm noticing more and more...

[Shukria123]

Catharine Mackinnon is so sexy; I bet she could suck chrome off a trailer hitch.

[jill198751]

Do you know why so many thumb down this video?! Because those horny guys who desire to pay for sex feel intimidated by MacKinnon's most powerful argument!!! HHAHAHA LMAO!

[djw11111]

What men in dangerous/unpleasant jobs say when asked what they want is 'to get out'.'Their economic options are limited already' by the fact that they can't get money for looking pretty. While working, these men do things they would never otherwise do 'the money thus acts as a form of force not as a measure of consent.' She's exploiting her inequality to him which is usually an ability to otherwise have-sexual-contact inequality in order to have access to his money. I wonder if she's a feminist.

[khalidsayd]

The entire argument is stupid. Why no one looks at men's side?

[Berelore]

notice she said that most of what she knows comes from the people she works with, the only kind of prostitutes that are working with social workers are the abused and the victims. So her entire viewpoint is skewed.

This is of course not to mention the continued strawman from the women.

[Leligno80]

you're one woman ridiculous

[Ecdysiast96]

My god, somebody get her laid already, she's been a thorn in the side of sex positive feminists for decades. I wanna see her mud wrestle Betty Dodson.

[DanDelarge]

So, what about a women paying a men for sex? Is she raping him?

[iMaDeMoN2012]

Men are not monsters that rape women. Then throw some money in their face.

This suggestion is disgustingly insulting to my gender.

How naive I am to think I was making love, I was actually committing rape.

sex=rape

[TheGeorgiaGent]

Good God...I can't belive this diatribe. "wrong to pay for sex"? As a single male, with no children, i'll keep that in mind when I get the property tax bill for the sex tophies for those who "chose". That isn't equal.

[jill198751]

@TheGeorgiaGent good luck with your pathetic life....... if you can separate sex with love, get ready for your lifetime meaningless encounters......... when you are dying...no one would love you, no one would visit you in the hospital (if you can afford the care in hospital).... because you are such a pathetic man (if you are a man at all).

btw...Check you spelling please.

[LauraFeer]

is not only women Sex Workers , is millions of mans .

So you think they are too victim ? ha ha

Sone of us we have Pimp to protect Sex workers from the violence of Police, bad client and from persons like you who are against us .

Who make our live more bad ,did you enjoy heat us and going against us ?i think you are ..

is not really that you want help us , if you want you will do something better not shit on us.

[TrustowrthyRapist]

I would really fucking like to see those sources. I call BULLSHIT.

[ActaNonVerba71]

Catharine McKinnon is freakin' evil, makes the hair on back of my neck stand up.

[superotter77]

for women who "choose" to be sex workers, or somehow think it's empowering, i ask if they a) dreamed of being a hooker when they were little girls, and b) would want their daughters to be hookers when they grow up.

Catharine MacKinnon articulates the argument SO powerfully and articulately, 8 thumbs up!

[AlphaHydrae]

@superotter77 The same applies to many "dirty jobs". Would any kid dream of or would a parent want his child to work as a garbage collector or toilet cleaner? Do we need to ban those professions as well?

[superotter77]

@AlphaHydrae: I used to work in a nursing home changing seniors' diapers and that was the most rewarding job I ever had (and the most underpaid). My feeling is that the entire eurowestern colonial-capitalist system has to completely go because we are all prostitutes within this enslavement machine - sex workers are just at the extreme end of the slavery spectrum. For this to happen, Step 1 would bevto de-colonize our minds collectively which is no easy feat.

[jbond5150]

@superotter77 maybe there is no dream of being a hooker due to social constructs. if so, wouldnt that be just as good an argument for a change in the construct?

[superotter77]

@jbond5150 good point, yeah the same could be said for reform. my anti-prostitution view is in light of the groups of women who are directly or indirectly forced into this work due to lack of other options as i think sex work is not an option in such a scenario, but for the women (& men & trans people) who enjoy sex work and/or feel it's empowering and so on, then more power to them & sure reform would benefit this group.

[tothatextent]

Most women who become hookers do it out of choice, they are not victims. They do not want to work the shitty minimum wage jobs that dominate today's job market. They want big money with no effort.  Wake up and smell the coffee bitch, women are not the pathetic victims you portray them as. The like the lifestyle.

[tothatextent]

We live in a society that outsourced everything, why not outsource women? Hookers provide an efficient service to society. From an accounting point of view, it is cheaper to use hookers than to marry. When you factor in that the divorce rate is now over 50 percent, and you get laid on average once a month. The average male spends $1273.67 per fuck. If you outsource the fuck drops to $180 per session. That is over an 80 per cent savings. And, you get a 20 year old model each time. Not to

[shazam20007]

wimyn do not cock their leg for poor men - every jump wimyn figure needs to be paid for either in cash or in kind - the chattering of this old wimyn is runs through the wimyn's statistics which are feel good numbers rubbery in their worth at the best - off to the nursing home for this misandrist old cow and the sooner to better and she should take her hate casuistry agin men with her

[TheGreaterGood80]

I can't view someone who views all consensual sex as violence towards women as a rational person

[Markohoppis]

Catherine Mackinnon is a very influential misandrist with a long list of injustices against men. This lecture sounds more like a preacher or shall I say ideologue speaking at a pulpit than a debate.

Don't expect any facts or bit of logic from this lying propagandist.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Perhaps you would appear marginally less fatuous if you knew how to use the word 'idiologue'. As it is, your stupidity has been exposed.

[SCIURS]

Posez vous une seule question, et vous comprendrez pour quoi ça n'est nullement un choix.

EXISTE T IL DES HOMMES PROSITUES DANS AU SERVICE D UNE CLIENTELE FEMININE ???

[zewalla]

@SCIURS Ben oui. Evidemment.

[PotheadPundit]

thank god this woman's ideas died in the 20th century. Most contemporary feminists don't even agree with her naive view of the world.

[pfarabee]

I think it's funny that she suggests highly criminalizing the pimp and the john while letting the prostitute go scott free, and then follows with a rant about "real equality"... uhm... why exactly could you not simply offer them "real education, real jobs, real money, real equality." and then this perceived desparate need to enter prostitution should magically vanish? Or is it necessary to take away their livelyhood before you offer them "real alternatives" ?

[mellielli]

They keep complaining about how women are trafficked and pimped but instead of just condemning the pimps they're condemning the whole practise of women deciding to rent (not 'sell') their bodies. I would much rather rent out my body than my mind, which is what many professions require one to do.

[Gogonostop]

MacKinnon, your statements about trafficking do not hold up under what has been revealed by prostitution raids - which show that many women voluntarily entered. Your definition of choice is similar to your other definitions of choice: it denies female agency, treating them like children. Furthermore, women's more overt sexual attraction can also be characterized as "force," and her choice to prostitute herself as economic exploitation of male sexual desire.

[anikinippon]

0-0:14 Prostituted women... not a chosen thing but a forced illegal act to begin with. She goes on to trafficking which is also very much a forced activity and she never takes into account paying by means of 2 (or more) consenting adults for sexual gratification. It also seems like alot of male bashing too, she makes it seem like shes trying to blind the lines between consenting adult sex to rape and sexual assault. It seems like she can't distinguish the difference between the two.

[captainkunty]

I agree with you. I read her books (the one about porn..lol) and she ties EVERYTHING to rape and sexual assault. Even with the absence of solid empirical data.

I don't like Mackinnon because she doesn't respect liberty and the individual's choice to lead a certain life. Also her definition of "equality" is basically a political tyranny (which is scary coming from a "feminist" who wants "equality"). Its BS and other true feminist have agreed that they regret Mackinnon's views.

[jill198751]

she is awesome!!! I like her!!

[DIRTYDUNNZ]

Someone should've informed the ladies that this debate is about sexual commerce, not child rape, sexual slavery, human trafficking, or any other pathologies related to black market economics.

[Markohoppis]

Straw man arguments. Feminists are generally not intelligent enough to talk about the actual issue, but derail it with a weaker easily more defeated argument. Or they generalize some types of unregulated prostitution and use emotive language, special situations, and metaphors to emotionally provoke the audience.

The Swedish model should stay in Sweden with the rest of the eunuchs and Feminazis.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Perhaps you could remove your tongue from Rush Limbaugh's rectum and come up for air.

Swedish men are superior to you in many things; they do not have to pay to get laid and degrading women does not float their boats.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck Swedish men are the modern day eunuchs. They should be treated with nothing but hatred and violence.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

It is not exactly a well kept secret that Misogynists' Rights Activists are mentally unsound, but this is one particularly nice display of your mental illness. Thanks. I will quote you again and again.

Markohoppis [on May 12, 2010]

"Swedish men are the modern day eunuchs. They should be treated with nothing but hatred and violence".

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck A feminist who spams, stalks, and listens to people like Dworkin, Solanas, and pay wage gap propagandists calling another unsound and mentally ill? Truly an irony. lol

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Nothing in your comment is even close to truth. And of course you cannot provide one quote of mine that supports your ridiculous claim.

Yes, I believe that someone who believes that YT videos have more credibility and validity than U.S. Department of Justice stats, harps on research, engages in sexual activities with Rush Limbaugh's rectum and wishes to kill Swedish men and feminists is indeed mentally ill.

[Markohoppis]

@multiquantumcheck You used the wrong DOJ statistic. hahaha.....I did my research, the DOJ's "estimate" is unsubstantiated.

You're spamming the comments section of these videos with insults and bad statistics. Then you go to another video I commented (stalked) and started insulting me there. It's weird.

[multiquantumcheck]

@Markohoppis

Have you officially lost your mind?

[Meth138]

Feminst don't think It's wrong for men to pay for sex. Feminist think is wrong for men to pay to little for sex. Feminism is

only as sexual trade union. nothing

more. Feminist are nothing but a bunch of lying hypocrytes.

[BradleyGA]

All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon

can you say Psycho?

[greycloud24]

pfft she talks like it is so horible. i am a strait guy and i have my price for doing "you do what i say" gay sex. price may be high, but there is a price.

how many of you would sell out a little of your self esteem for a particular amount of money?

[ghostbusterz]

Lol at feminazifags in this video and the comments.

[Helios910]

Its hypocritical of women who say its immoral to pay for sex, yet its ok to buy them drinks, meals gifts etc, to get them into bed.

[RoninShinobi88]

ahmen

[ayeaye86]

I'm glad finally in the debate we address the real question: why it's wrong to PAY. There is something structurally wrong in our society that accepts this behaviour

[Helios910]

What about independent escorts that do it voluntarily? Are they not ok? Prostitution has its uses. Someone with sexual problems can hire an escort to act as a sexual surrogate to help them. Its not always demeaning for the woman involved either. The client can be courteous and respect the prostitute. He gets what he wants and so does she. No harm done.

[DelinquentBilly]

@Helios910 Don't you get it, paying for something is the same as just taking it. No, I'm not at all serious

[Shukria123]

But 'you do what I say sex' is the hottest sex of all.

[Shukria123]

In prostitution it's the woman who holds the cards: men have to hand over their hard-earned cash for sex, a realm controlled only by women.

[Shukria123]

She's comparing prostitution to rape; that is an overstatement.

[psycropticunt]

True, it's a very typical feminist debate tactic. Dishonest, really.

[Shukria123]

Catherine MacKinnon may a witch-hunter, but men really are pigs.

[Meth138]

Men may be Pigs but women are parasites.

[zzzzz5fulx]

anti racism or marxist positions must not be used in anti feminist & sexist rhetoric ! all white women are not stupid or ignorant. all women who had enougth money to struggle against patriarchy are not bourgeois ! they make choises

Sociobiology is based on speculation and projection : patriarcal societies contemplate themselves in what they call their "natural origine", without any proof of this "natural" link they make between animal and human "society". Sociobiology is not science, it's myth

[RookhKshatriya]

Mackinnon is a typical Anglo-American feminist, completely ignorant of science and sociobiology. Actually, most women in prostitution do it because they can earn far more doing that than other jobs. Indeed, many escorts earn vast sums, enough to fund costly drug habits. Anglo-American feminism is just puritanical and against sex, also racist, classist and sexist. All women are prostitutes, all of them barter sex anyway.

[leggytv]

Prostitutes frequently DO NOT do what the customers want, they often rush the men out the door. This is referred to as 'bad service' or 'too restrictive' in john circles.

Sometimes this is a good thing however as prostitutes are very firm when it comes to using condoms, and are willing to lose the john's business if they don't comply.

[phippsed]

She says that men who are in desperate situations do not sell themselves for sex. Does she think that the reason for this is because they do not want you or do not have to? I have a lot of friends that are male who would gladley sell their sexuality in exchange for money whether they were in a desperate situation or not. The difference is that men do not have that option. If a man is in a desperate situation they don't eat. the get evicted, etc. Whos better off I wonder, men or women?

[xgunman1]

let me ask u if ur male friends would sell their body even to male (gay)customer? most ppl think that a male prostitute sell their body only to female customers. i believe most prostitutes male or female cant really pick their customer....i think the over all answer is to join the Army... they take anyone that can move lol

[justgivemethetruth]

Good point. This is so submerged into people's consciousness that we cannot even see it, and many people do not even want to.

We are creating and using exploitation and calling it the free-market and capitalism.

This woman's comments are more to the point becuase instead of blurring the issue she is focused.

[justgivemethetruth]

Who cares who is better off ... what I care about is that we have societies that protect individual's rights and dignitiy. People that only care about their sexual satisfaction are like drug addicts, and they want respect for their conditioin born on the backs of vulnerable powerless people, and use the market paradigm to justify it.

[phippsed]

I don't think that you can protect other peoples dignity by telling them what the can and cannot do with their own lives. It is fairly condescending that a third party thinks they have a better idea of what two consenting adults should do than the people themselves. Finally there are pleny of people who only care about their carnal sexual desires and most of them never pay for sex. Whether this behavior is moral is an interesting debate subject but entirely different than the subject in question

[lbridet]

Along the lines of 4:00, I'm exploiting my inequality with the cashier at the supermarket every time I buy anything...

[EverettsVLOG]

rofl what terrible arguments