BRIAN CLOUGH - GOES HEAD TO HEAD WITH DON REVIE

[xpat73]

Clough achieved more than Revie....end of.

[Mrdrofcus100]

lufc 896 get a life hunter bremner and to a degree charlton were the dirtiest players in the league and yes i went my uncle used to drag me down beeston hill every other week till i was old enough to see a real team ! ynwa lfc till i die

[WatchVenusSpa]

Brian won it better, many times, just not at Leeds...

[saelaird]

Don "You couldn't have won it better.. we only lost 4 games"

King Cloughie "I would only have lost 3"

I hope we get Gareth Bale

[geebones]

well brain clough got his own back won more than leeds when he went nottingham forest and the film damned united compared to the full interview

[joshwakeman]

look were leeds are now LOL

[NattyLaw13]

Physical as in battling for the ball, not raking your studs down people's shins or constantly elbowing players, as Leeds did.

Cloughie made Revie look like a twat (which he was)

[LUFC896]

will all you fucking puffs understand footballs a physical game.

R.I.P DON

MOT

[Partridgeaha123]

I agree with nattylaw13, it's not rugby fella. Just admit everyone hates leeds and always will because you are shit

[LUFC896]

Find me one clip of a Leeds player in the 70's rugby tackling someone then i'll take your point into consideration if not FUCK OFF

People hate us cos were shit? Hatred comes from jealousy work it out

Id rather be hated than unknown

LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS

[Mrdrofcus100]

fuck off

[youjusttalkedshite]

@LUFC896 you cant spell.

There's nothing better than taking a player to task.. The rules actually ALLOW you to do that safely.. Fucking prick haha.

[LUFC896]

You think a need some cunt like you to clear that up for me?

"theres nothing better than taking a player to task"- What does that even mean?

FOOTBALLS A PHYSICAL GAME YOU SOFT CUNTS

[redredreds100]

i have to agree with the others knocking you, you are a wanker

[redredreds100]

it's ashame these guys didn't get on, the best 5 managers in the history of the game, Clough, Revie, Shankly, Paisley and Jock Stein, forget these wankers out there now

[greebo68]

Revie the crook.

[mrblondeno2]

God bless Cloughie! Legend forever. RIP

[reedermj02]

leeds till i die the damned unutedc is a mint film

clough was a funny fukka

oi irish man god gave u skills n the best passing ability in the game

what he didnt do was give u 6 studs to wrap around another players knee hahah legend

[xiyuemaa]

it was great to see a good football movie after that piece of crap goal! 3

[mp01juve]

just watched the damned united. good to see the real event

[TheLegendfamily]

WHAM! "I'd like 2 c Don Revie do that, eh?"-"The Damned Utd. ;D

[throdgrain]

Cloughie was great. RIP

[sidewaysid]

Leeds are shit and we all know I hope they all rot in hell

[mak3m]

just watched damn unt now looking for clips

clough legend <3

best manager england never had

[mrblondeno2]

God bless Cloughie!

[GilesTheHeroBarnes]

My idol well i can only lose 3 aha fukin legend lol loved him

[jellis4465]

Leeds how fucking daft ,sell all their best players to man utd.Fact.

[horwichboy]

leeds were fuck all we went down on the service train 9am and kicked fuck out of them we marched all the way to the ground and all the way back what a riot!! mufc 4 ever

[moosey62]

I got fucking chased by Leeds 1974.

Fucking rot you cunts in div 3..

[Evenson107]

chased what exactly happened lol

[moosey62]

Fuck off Revie.

DERTY LEEDS.

[leachyycfc]

Looks like clough just completely outwitted revie. Suprise suprise. Clough was a legend and a hero to the game that everyone remembers. Only Leeds fans love revie. I'm not a derby or forest fan and I love clough

[thedaftdrunk]

Nah a lot of that film was bullshit i seen giles being asked if he said that "throw your medal`s away you cheats" thing and he laughed and said it was rubbish

[samsturman08]

Hehe i love cloughies Cheeky smile loll.

[zefletch]

75 European Cup Final Jimmy Armfield got LUFC there, not Revie who was

England coach then - Bayern Munich beat Leeds 2-0 & Leeds got banned from Europe for 3 yrs for hooliganism

As for 73 European Cup, Semi Final, not Final & Clough victim of Juve & Derby went out - 84 UEFA Cup Semi Anderlecht proved bribed the ref & banned from Europe

Mr Revie, well according to the Daily Mirror (73 Wolves v Leeds), Bob Stokoe and even Revie's own keeper, Gary Sprake, Revie was a serial briber of teams

[68jotsmee]

And the bribe allegations have never been proven of course.

Don Revie was our greatest manager and rightly revered by Leeds fans.

Clough was a great manager and I wish it had worked out at Leeds and then maybe we might have had those 2 Ruro cups that Forest won.

[peopleschampion007]

Go fuck yourself.

[zefletch]

Pots/A Levels score

Revie 7 (3 League Titles, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup)

V

Clough 9 (2 League Titles, 2 European Cups, 1 Euopean Super Cup, 4 League Cups)

[LUFC896]

you can add 1 european cup to that 1975...no matter how much you hate us watch the video n anyone can see we won

also 73 european cup...the ref admitted taking a bribe...i dont think taking bribes is legal now is it?

WACCOE

MOT

[leeds1leeds1leeds]

clough didnt win all that with one club though did he, idiot

MARCHING ON TOGETHER

[zefletch]

He won a title with Derby - If we discount that its still Leeds 7 - Cloughingham Forest 8

[zefletch]

In his 15 years as Forest manager, before his final year, Clough finished in the top three 5 times, only once finishing outside the top 9 once (12th in 81/82). He also reached major Wembley Cup Finals in each of the 4 seasons before his final year.

His young men did it with short haircuts, never argued with the referee and always kept the ball on the grass - Until his final year the only table Forest ever finished bottom of was the diciplinary table, which they did most years

[zefletch]

Brian Clough passed away after 11 yrs of retirement in Derbyshire, his adopted home of 40 years. A proud father & grandfather, the family he raised with his wife of 45 yrs was his greatest legacy as a man.

Brian made us all believe in fairies & the tales he bought into our life's, proving to us all that nothing is impossible & for that, together with the style of football you raised me on I'll salute you evermore

[zefletch]

Titles - Revie 2 (10 yr) V Clough 2 (8yr)

Title Defeats - Revie 4 (73) V Clough 3 (78) - So yes yes yes, to Revie's no no no!

European Cups - Revie 0 V Clough 2

Total Bans (Yrs) - Revie 10 v Clough 0

Flaws - Revie's greed (A Choice) V

Clough's alcholoism (A disease)

Justice Cantley on Revie

"His conduct brought English football, at a high level, into disrepute.'

[bklufc]

clough's alchoholism,a disease? don died of a disease you clown. alchoholism is a weak selfish lifsyle choice-not a disease. clough was a good manager in his own style,but an arrogant prick who got thrown out of leeds on his arse... .

[stefanwdowiak]

Buy the by you spell lifestyle,LIFESTYLE,not lifsyle,could you please take time out of your busy day to stop taking apart the English language.

Brian was one in a million,there is no manager today who could take a team up and win the title.

Money rules the game these days.

[bklufc]

yes,i missed out the letter "e" well done. thanks for putting me right you 21 year old student..by the way,i bow to your vast football knowledge. never had a girlfriend,eh?

[JohntheBomb88]

i doubt u know the slightest thing about alcoholism...it is a disease as it can ruin even the best man and it leads to death...look at george best!

[bklufc]

"look at george best"??? an utter waste of a liver. supreme selfish bastard. 2 good seasons. alcohol is NOT a disease. you dont catch it through no fault of your own. you drink like a selfish bastard putting yourself first and reap what you sow. is drug addiction a disease. or gambling. no-a human weakness-self inflicted. revie had motor-neurone disease. george best,like gazza was a weak selfish bastard that chose to hurt those around him.

[robert99brown]

you are either misinformed or a hearless self-righteous person,addiction has been proved to be hereditary , plus if you were in a dangerous job ie a soldier in the front line you'd be drinking or taking somthing nobody 's perfect remember that when u need help

[bklufc]

addiction hereditary...o for fucks sake,how do you work that out? drinking can turn to addiction. its about choices. dont choose to be a pisshead then whine that you've got a "disease" self pitying people like you are everything thats wrong with this country.its like smoking then trying to sue the tobacco company cause they made you smoke. GROW UP

[burnleyboy01]

lmao u swnd like a right biblebasher

[bklufc]

nah mate,just dont like the revie/clough ilness comparison. if you cant rant like a cunt on ebay then i wouldnt know what to do with myself,lol theres a good clip of clough and motson on utube-watch it and see clough raping motson with verbal brilliance....good luck in the prem for your lads. just dont do a hull and lose your next 20 matches.....

[kebap83]

D.U.F.C.

[effeffeff]

Don Revie says at one point something about the Leeds players being the best bunch Clough will ever manage. I wonder if Revie watched either of Clough's European cup wins?

[pompydave]

Revie's team was renound as the greatest team of that generation - never once outside of the top four in ten years - european honours, fa cup, league cup, league titles etc. Have a look at clough's derby and Forest's league positions... up and down, oh, and clough had a relegation on his cv.

[MaxVegas100]

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[Isleofskye]

A True maverick Englishman and Legend.

We miss you Brian!

[MoleinaHole]

I love Brian Clough - and I'm not that big a football fan. The bloke had something special. The evil grin he pulls at 22 secs makes me laugh everytime..

[flygweilo]

Clough and Revie both enjoyed far too much success, and did so far too consistently, to have done so purely because of luck. Yes, they each enjoyed their fair share of luck (as do we all, for the most part), but their success and their respective reputations were based on competence.

[flygweilo]

I too watched Leeds during the 1970s (as a Spurs supporter!), but Leeds were hard, good (almost impossible to beat) and great to watch. Revie's record there was remarkable, and Clough's failure spectacular and (at the time) inexplicable. In hindsight, given Clough's unusual personality, his leeds experience may have been inevitable, as the manager to follow Revie.

Clough was difficult and acerbic, but much respected.

And I (along with many millions) still wanted Clough for the England job.

[placidcasual1976]

don revie,what a cunt!

[zefletch]

Within 5yrs Clough would indeed win it better losing only losing 3 games in winning the title to Revies 4, before going on to do something Revie never did, win the European Cup, before retaining it, a feat only matched by Milan 89-90 since

Don would be living in the desert coaching the UAE, banned from managing in English football for walking out on the England job.

So who had the last laugh Don?

[pompydave]

Revie - he lived his last years with his wife in Leeds with dignity and pride, a model person - Clough at the same time was resorting to the drink...

[thenewzidane5]

It would be great to see modern managers go head to head on TV interviews like this. Imagine a Benitez vs Ferguson debate on TV!

[heliotropezzz333]

Clough and Revie were both great managers, but Clough had a strong competitive streak when it came to Revie and wanted to show he was better by playing better football and still winning. Leeds at that time had a reputation for winning but playing the most boring football i.e they would score a leading goal and then all pile back into defence for the rest of the game. It was not good to watch. Clough liked football to be played well and be exciting.

[DOCTORDROTT]

You must be joking,Revies Leeds had just won Div 1,only lost to Stoke at the nearly the end of the.Played some great football,Giles,Gray and Clarke at their best.

I had met Clough when he was Derby manager,came across as a nice guy,but also loved himself.Taylor was the "brains" HE spotted the players that he thought would be best for Derby.Clough was a good coach.

Clough had a lot of luck when a manager.Like most good managers LUCK does come into it

[heliotropezzz333]

I used to watch football in the 60s and 70 so I know Leeds style of play. As for Clough, maybe he did rely on Taylor, but Taylor also did not do that well without Clough. Clough and Taylor brought Deby from near the bottom of division 2 to top of division 1 (now called the premier league) and also had great succes with Nottingham Forest who were not a top team when they took over. Management is not just about spotting players, but leadership, inspiration and instilling belief and confidence.

[HisSoc]

Clough and Taylor took Derby from the second and they won the First division with them- the story was the same with Forest out of the second and winning the first and two European cups- and they played goos attractive football not cynical dirty football like Leeds did

[updabladesdowndapigs]

Clough what a legend R.I.P

from a blade!!!

[highwirer]

You are right, Gerrard2006, to do something once can maybe be described a sbeing lucky, but he did it twice, Derby and Forest were going nowhere until he took over. Living proof of the important role of the manager. He took teams with no cohesion or experience and led them to glory, playing good honest football and he never hid behind anyone. T o win the Euro cup twice with Forest...it will never happen again...

[englandwc06]

Don Revie Leeds side at the time were great but also unfair playing disrespecting cheating rude footballers, the side was so talented, filled with internationals at the time where there ego's just exploded and thats why i cherise the 1973 cup final when Sunderland beat Leeds... Briliant :)

[BiffaTW]

eyyyy sunderland theres only one brian clough.

[frizelle1956]

bollocks. brian clough was quite simply with peter taylor the best management team ever.only bill shankley and alex ferguson come close.who were derby and forest before clough? nobodys! leeds division 1 shite,where they should be.

[mrblondeno2]

Cloughie just proved he was the greatest as Revie soon failed as a manager at England and other sub league minnow clubs.

[DOCTORDROTT]

You were not born then,how do you know.

Look at thr record,Revie done well as England manager, he upset the FA because he went to the emerated and left them in the learch.Clough was lucky at Derby and Forrest Taylor was the brains.I liked Brian,brought some interest to the game

[gerrard2006rmd]

he was a master can you imagine a championship club getting promoted winning the league and the champions league while keeping the majority of the team i dont think so

[snozzel]

Clough was lucky???? lucky is walking down the street and seeing £5 on the flooor. What Clough did was not luck.

[Fo3rest]

ha ha so revie got cloughie rattled doubt it cloughie answered the critics in the league europe and dumping the then european champions liverpool out 1st rnd o.b.e. old big ed the best:)

[worthy99]

Is the Clough/Review interview available in full anywhere?

[Richie1989A]

"Only lost 4 matches"

"Well i could only lose 3"

ahaha legend

[Jacobus180670]

he was as big a hit as George Lazenby after Connery! - he was a brash buggar 'n' all!

[HorrendousG]

Just watched the film and loved it , really faultless all round just wish it was longer ! colm Meaney singing the national anthem was the best , seriously watch it i highly recomend it .

[pAULspybeef]

clough had revie round his little finger in that interview

[helltopo]

You haven't watched the whole show- at the end Revie is really grilling Clough over his failure to meet with all the Elland Road staff and Austin Mitchell dived in to save the rattled Clough.

[theN17yidarmy]

love cloughie at 0.22!!!! i could watch that over and over again what a great man(an im a spurs fan)

[gtfcblacky]

must say the actors in the film are very good

[retroboydeccles]

just watched the damned united and had to watch this for real! this is football history.

[kady7869]

I love cloughies expression at 0.22.

[FIFTY2WEEKS]

I saw the film yesterday. Excellent performances all round not least Colm Meaney who portrayed Don Revie with spooky accuracy. Also the period detail brought back memories...the crumbling terraces, terrible pitches and the outrageous tackling.

[bluebus270]

With reference to your second point, Motherwell's ground is still like that, a ploughed field, ground falling to bits and a crap team set up.

[FIFTY2WEEKS]

HA HA!!!! very funny. I'm a Scunthorpe United fan so I should talk!

[seanmriordan]

The Damned United novel was indeed embelished to an incredible degree. John Giles sued the author and won the case hands down. Clough's family didn't have the option to sue the author because he was dead. Giles admits that he didn't like Clough at all, but that the portrayal in the book of Clough is completely wrong, and that, in fact, the whole story is made up.

[MoleinaHole]

When it comes down to it even to those of us who knew NOTHING about football (me!) Cloughie was a legend. A true British maverick shaking this up and making things interesting.

[vikesh81]

Apparently the book 'The Damned United' was embellished to a very high degree and was fiction based on fact.

[chickachambrez]

clough fucked up leeds

[burnleyboy01]

leeds fucked themselves up

[martinwilliamrandall]

Brian Clough the best manager Middlesbrough never had if he could create miracles for Derby & Forest he'd of turned Boro into a colosus.the best manager England never had. If he was England boss it wouldnt be a matter of if he would win the world cup. It would be a case of how many. England would be on a par with Italy, Brazil, The Germans & France & we'd of saw them all off. RIP Clough the best manager ever.

[mvann5566]

some good sensible letters on here,see your point charlie,and agree and there is more in the "Dirty leeds" than people realise....helltopo...glad you stopped at them scottish names,i was droolling enough,great side..thing is money wasnt involved then,money buys success now,to a point ..but back then you had to work hard to get and then produce,everything was on a level playing field and its where ability played a big part.every club had a chance thats why you see money team success now,thanks.

[etagloh]

Boro vs. Boro. The older man, rooted in the heart of the town (but never loved by it); the younger man more of a chameleon, the Grove Hill lad with aspirations and bravado.

The fascinating part of that clip is towards the end, when Cloughie's native accent re-asserts itself ("well I can only lose three") and some of the mask drops.

[helltopo]

If you watch the whole of the Calendar show, Revie is masterful, stopping Austin Mitchell from trying to create confrontation and showing respect to Brian Clough. At the end he has Clough on the ropes & the presenter Austin Mitchell dived in to save Brian!

[Darwinion]

Where is the whole of this show? It's not on YouTube is it? I'd love to see it if at all possible.

[helltopo]

Go to the sport section of the ITV website darwinion.

[mvann5566]

brian clough stated (early 70s)that when his side is called like leeds he will know he has a succesful side..he then continued when they met at the baseball ground one evening in the league cup how derby were going to beat leeds..lorimer scored the winner and from that day on clougie turned against leeds...and im a cloughie fan.

[charliechutney]

i disagree. cloughie simply wanted to be the best manager. i believe he felt revie was the best, so how to overtake revie at the top? -by turning leeds into a pure footballing side (as he would've probably said) that' would eventually win european cups as a great footballing side, and be known for that, rather than "dirty leeds". this is the only way clough could've overtaken revie. he knew revie was the best - nothing wrong with wanting to better that.

[louispks]

only 6 clubs in the country bigger than leeds. man utd,liverpool,arsenal,spurs,ev­erton and aston villa. european record second to none.

[1960jws]

you forgot to mention NEWCASTLE

[louispks]

haven't won anything for almost 60 years nough said

[Darwinion]

Spurs and Everton? Bollocks!

[stdomingoesfc]

I love the story that when he took over Leeds he told the players to throw their medals in the bin because they didn't earn them, under him they were going to win things! Of course they forced him out and have done virtually nothing since, whilst Cloughie went on to Forest.

[pompydave]

Leeds went on to win Division One (or the Premier League as it's now called) in 1991 or 1992. Leeds were robbed of the European Cup in 1975 after Clough had left, Leeds also went on to be a massive Premiership force until 2004, and even now, Leeds are far bigger than both Derby and Forest.

[vntr2006]

I agree that Leeds were a great side,,one of the best. I think the fixture pile up caused them to lose a lot. They should have won more. Certainly they were robbed in 75. They are not a bigger club than Derby though at the moment.

[dannycos87]

maybe not a better team, although in the cup we outplayed them for 75 minutes and should have beaten the pile o crap, but even now were still a far bigger club.

[burnleyboy01]

lol no they didnt in 2003 they just avoided relegation

thats like saying bolton are a massive premiership force

[ghhadfieldj]

Clough>Paisley im sorry is just the truth

[pompydave]

Rubbish.

[ghhadfieldj]

Wheres the film about Paisley????

[scottlong09]

don may have maneged england but his no good brians the best

[nicky2006uk]

Both Revie and Clough were from Middlesbrough.

[nffcfan07]

brian clough - best english manager ever

[hmsmuller81]

I have to disagree with that. As English managers go i think Bob Paisley is the greatest. His record speaks for itself

[nffcfan07]

so does taking a mid table championship team to double european champions within 5 years. i agree, paisley was great but doesn't come close to brian clough

[hmsmuller81]

Your right you can't take that away from Clough i will give you that but i think Paisley is the greatest. 19 tropheys in 9 years. Is some feet.

[nffcfan07]

yes, that is a great achievement, but to me taking forest to those heights can never be done again. thats what makes it so unique. any random bloke off the street could motivate liverpool to win tons of cups. no-one can do that with forest and to me, thats what made brian clough the best english manager ever. im not saying paisley is a bad manager, im saying that all you needed was some motivational skills to fire liverpool to sucess. which he did.

[hmsmuller81]

Again great point. The game as changed so much so your right it will never happen again. What he did was amazing and i know your not saying paisley was a bad manager. But to say someone just needs motivational skills to make liverpool win loads of cups is not right in my opinion. I guess we will have to disagree on this matter. Good discussion though.

[nffcfan07]

yes, i suppose you're right. i mean, look at rafa. with all that talent he has on offer you would have thought he'd have won more stuff bar 9 minutes in an istanbul final and gerrards right boot at the millenium stadium. for you, the greatest manager was paisley but to me it was clough. i will say that both brought great times and history to both clubs and both will be forever remembered. both were great but to me, cloughie was the greatest

[pompydave]

Also, Paisley never relegated a team, or Revie for that. Clough did.

[nffcfan07]

revie never won a european cup. clough did. twice

[senormoose86]

ZING!

[xpat73]

@hmsmuller81 Well Paisely had a bigger club with more resources and money to spend on players. Not saying Bob wasn't a great manager...but Clough's work at Forest was incredible given that thye were not a "big club."

[pompydave]

When Revie took over Leeds, Leeds were 90 minutes away from being relegated to Division Three (League One), two years later they lost the league on goal difference and forced extra time in the FA Cup Final, in that FA Cup Final, Revie only paid fee's for three players.

Paisley > Clough.

[jonpvrmx]

Nowhere near as good as Don Revie.

[fitzochris]

RIP Brian Clough. Mourinho? Ha! A mere fraction of the man.

[gurneyer]

Thanks for posting as not seen this before. Clough & Taylor worked best together. Revie as dour as ever here, Clough just his natural confident self, sadly missed.

[bremnerkop]

uncle don revie mot

[scotsguy77]

Leeds were that "great" Celtic showed them how to play football in the European Cup semi-final winning both legs. Terry Cooper I bet had nightmares for years after jimmy Johnstone had him in knots all night. GREAT teams win the European Cup, Leeds where a good team not a great team. If you would have stuck with Brian Clough as manager you would have won it.

[helltopo]

So are the 1954 Hungarians, 1974 Dutch & 1982 Brazillians not great because they failed to win the World cup? I personally believe the 1960's Scottish side which contained the likes of Law, Baxter, Bremner, Greig & Johnstone WERE a great side, but they didn't win anything.

Likewise,. Revies Leeds were a great team despite not winning the European Cup, just like Celtic were great despite not winning the European Cup more than once as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Ajax and Liverpool have done.

[scotsguy77]

I agree with your point m8. I just get fed up with some guys that have It in for Brian clough. I also believe if he was England boss, (and he was the best man for the job) you woudn't be talking so much about 1966 but about another year when England won the World Cup. Good posts guys.

[helltopo]

Clough and TAYLOR may have managed England to success, but Clough talked himself out of the job. He just insulted too many people in the game as Don Revie points out in the full version of this show. Clough even made fun of an elderly member of the FA panel before his interview for the job!

[upminsterpark]

Revie "no no no" ha ha

[tcacVII]

0:22 = All kinds of awesome

[burnsybaby1987]

They should never have put these two together, they clearly can't abide each other!!!

[PhilRebbeck]

that's the point!

[johnboy14]

Leeds were filthy but players like giles, charlton and hunter were top players. Everyone was hard back then.

[ByzantineByron]

a shame if these two were around now the F.A would be apopaletic there is no way they would have liked these two rocking the boat

[cgavin1]

This is a wet dream scene. Wow can you imagine Wenger and Fergusson doing this now? Christ! Amazing. All my heroes are DEAD!

[bf1973]

Just read the Damned United myself - a quality read! Clough a great character. I believe they're making the movie and i'm looking forward to that.

[Darwinion]

I believe this was a Yorkshire TV Calendar special just after Clough had been sacked by Leeds. I love both these guys... Revie for what he did for Leeds and Clough for just being how he is. An enigma and a fucking brilliant character. Best manager Leeds ever lost and best manager England never had.

[helltopo]

EVERYONE forgets Peter Taylor. If he had come to Leeds with Clough they would have been a success.. Clough on his own was a disaster at Leeds and he would have been a terrible England manager unless he had Taylor by his side.

[peachydaz]

Just read The Damned United...this clip is a fascinating insight. Thanks

[thetoon99]

did they not play together for england i know don played with the great duncan edwards as he said he was shocked when he saw edwards was in the team at 18 but then he said he saw greatness in edwards and he would now be shocked if he was not in the team.

[sinared]

well i can only lose 3 good old cloughie come on you reds.

[MJMilz14]

He went 42 unbeaten in the league with Forest (I grant you that was 2 seasons overlapping, rather than one whole one).

The season Forest won the title, they only lost 3 all season as well, so he definantly prooved himself right.

[dave3i]

No he didnt cos the year leeds only lost 4 they had more points than the year forrest lost 3 so revies season was still better.

[MJMilz14]

Can't be bothered to check that up, so il assume your right.

He never went 42 unbeaten in the league, and never took a 2nd division side and took them to the european cup TWICE (he did it with D*rby as well remember), and he never won them back to back european cups.

So a couple of league points doesn't really make too much of a difference in my mind ;-)

[nicky2006uk]

2 Middlesbrough lads and they absolutely hated eachother.

[bobmorrice]

what football what give for two people like that now