The Young Savages - Harlem Red Wings Verses the East Harlem Viceroys gang

[27846Street]

Forget that address footreads@yahoo.com

[27846Street]

Who could read :) send them here Richie "Animal"

[27846Street]

Your right it was about the redwings and the viceroys. Like in westside story Lancaster got his haircut in russo's barbershop on a hun7&8 on first ave. I was a redwings

[ChicagoJoe57]

@27846Street Please read your messages . With respect!

[ridgerunner721601]

I remember seeing The Young Savages on TV years ago. I thought John Davis Chandler really stole the picture as gang member Arthur Reardon.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@ridgerunner721601 He sure did during his court scene. That was quite a performance for a young guy like him.

[ridgerunner721601]

@ChicagoJoe57 Yes, I always thought John Chandler was underrated. I remember he was always playing some sort of criminal or villain in various movies and TV shows when I was a kid in the late '60s and early '70s. And he was really good at it too. But you know I remember reading somewhere that in real life he was really a nice guy, very likeable and friendly.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@ridgerunner721601 Jack Webb liked him and used him many times in his Dragnet shows. One time he played a child abuser. Another time he played a bomber. He was good playing psychopaths and bad guys. Hey - you have to have a good bad guy actor to make the hero look good :)

[ridgerunner721601]

@ChicagoJoe57 Yeah, I remember him in quite a few Dragnet episodes. I want to say there was one in particular where he was some sort of drug dealer. And the only time I can remember John ever playing a somewhat sympathetic character was on Gunsmoke. He was a pool shark and decided to "let" Jack Albertson win the game at the end. So, not all of John's TV and movie characters were completely heartless or crazy. 

[ChicagoJoe57]

@ridgerunner721601 He played in one movie about a Vietnam Vet who was a runner, but lost his leg in the war. The Vet decided to live his dream of running down the coast of CA, but he was forced to use a wheelchair. John played a psycho who tried to run him off the road.

[ridgerunner721601]

@ChicagoJoe57 Kind of makes me wonder if John, or really anybody who has been a perennial bad guy on TV and in the movies, would prefer to be put in the role of a good guy sometimes.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@ridgerunner721601 James Remar, the Warriors, played a lot of roles like John and has made a good living doing it.

[spacepatrolman]

@ridgerunner721601 The director frankemheimer was a wisenheimer he thought it would be more authentic to have actual gang members acting parts as gang members but those scenes were actually boring the actor chris robinson played scare faced savatini pored glue all over his face for makeup

[ridgerunner721601]

@spacepatrolman I didn't realize that. But I wonder what those gang members from the early '60s think when they see themselves in old reruns of 'The Young Savages'.

[spacepatrolman]

@ridgerunner721601 are they still alive to watch reruns ?

[ridgerunner721601]

@spacepatrolman LOL....That's true. Probably in their late '60s or '70s now.

[grokuhuman]

Just found this site. TY. was born in E Harlem 1941, did not leave until 70.

miss the old neighborhood. would love to move back.

sites like your make me young again. my memory kicks in.

ty again

[MarvinJudson]

ChicagoJoe, hi. Just to let you know that I sent you a personal message on your channel about my experiences with a Chicago gang in the late 1960s.

MarvinJudson

[MarvinJudson]

This is great, ChicagoJoe. I had the swimming pool clip on my former Channel: "vtkfxtpsxiz" but the Channel was deleted by You Tube for copyright infringement of another movie. I just put up a condensed 5 minute video of the whole Young Savages movie. Look for: "The Young Savages" (1961) in 5 minutes".

It is silent, & now I wish I had added music to it like you did with this one. I think this movie has become a sort of cult classic.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@MarvinJudson Thank you! I will certainly check it out. Please feel free to add it to this video as a video response. It has become a cult movie because it shows old school street gangs.

[MarvinJudson]

@ChicagoJoe57 - I added my video as a video response here but I don't see it anywhere. It didn't show up. Now it's gone from my list of videos available to use. I don't know why it didn't work. I've never made a video response before but I thought I did it right.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@MarvinJudson I had to accept it, so I can see it now. Good job! Thank you!

[MarvinJudson]

@ChicagoJoe57 - Oh, good. So that's how it works. I didn't know. Thanks.

[hecsfiles]

Gang wars were very infrequent and when they did occur hardly ever was there any firearms used. Usually it was chains or sticks; knives and zip guns occasionally. Often it was handled one on one fistfights and it would be over. This is how I remember it because I was raised in El Barrio and in Washington Heights from the early 50s and 60s. Pichon, President of the original Latin Kings of Highbridge Park, '63, currently living in the West Coast. I'll always have the memories of those times.

[amramdavid]

You dont need copyright permission to show something creative. Just credit Columbia records, who put out the sound track in 1961, where it has been lying in the vauilt for 40 years

Fresh Air records also has a CD called David Amram Jazz Portrats with some of my score on it I am not a snob but the house music from Youtube sounds as if it were created by a tone deaf law school fliunk out. and it is NOT IN CLAVE

NY El Barrio in 50s was a rough place but the music created there was MAGNIFICENT!

[spacepatrolman]

@amramdavid FRANKENHEIMER thought it was more authentic to use actual gang members in some scenes instead of actors but those scenes are boring so use horn and hardart succatashe blues my aunt use to work at the automat

[amramdavid]

Fine Video but the music you used for the Young Savages was NOT mine! I can send you the REAL soundtrack. Jazz great Harold Land played as well as wonderful symphonic +jazz players.

At 80 i am busier than ever in my life. NEVER was a "Beatnik"

Since composing score for "Manchurian Candidate' in 1962 for Frankenheimer, i have devoted the last 49 years composing concert music of all genres Still doing it today and hope to encourage all young people to be creative!

David Amram

Check my web page

[ChicagoJoe57]

@amramdavid I would like to have used your music, but would not know how to obtain copyright. I used youtube house music trying to find something simuliar.

[amramdavid]

Fine Video but the music you used for the Young Savages was NOT mine! I can send you the REAL soundtrack. Jazz great Harold Land played as well as wonderful symphonic +jazz players.

At 80 i am busier than ever in my life. NEVER was a "Beatnik"

Since composing score for "Manchurian Candidate' in 1962 for Frankenheimer, i have devoted the last 49 years composing concert music of all genres Still doing it today and hope to encourage all young people to be creative!

David Amram

[whodareswings]

The Young Savages soundtrack was composed by David Amram who starred with Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg and Gregory Corso in Robert Frank's underground movie Pull My Daisy. Amram is still around and has written three books about his life as a jazz composer, performer and beatnik. Offbeat is the title of his 2003 book about collaborating with Kerouac.

[whodareswings]

Neil Burstyn's character was based on the the true story of Salvador Agrón an Hispanic juvenile delinquent known as "The Capeman" who made national headlines when he mistook some boys in a schoolyard for rival gang members and stabbed them to death. Burstyn's character is called "Batman" (IIRC). Paul Simon wrote a Broadway musical based on the Salvador Agrón story entitled "The Capeman." It closed after less than a week of performances.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@whodareswings Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the movie. I added your comments to the description above and gave you credit.

[whodareswings]

John Davis Chandler, the actor who played "Arthur Reardon," the leader of the The Thunderbirds, died last year. He was a lifelong bhakti yogin. Neil Burstyn who played "Capeman" committed suicide in the '70 after splitting from his wife Ellen Burstyn. Stanley Kerstein, who played "Danny Dipache," either changed his name or his profession because his trail goes completely cold after the release of The Young Savages in l962. 

[vtkfxtpsxiz]

Great video. Thanks for responding to my clip.

[ChicagoJoe57]

@vtkfxtpsxiz Thank you! Great video!