A Planeswalker's Primer for Magic 2010: Combat

[Philbertsroom]

so the defender decides which of his creatures defends first?...

[Runningtail]

if a creature blocks and suddenly becomes tapped, does combat still happen?

[blikvisz]

@Runningtail

It does, but the creater that's blocks get the dmg.

[Runningtail]

@blikvisz ok, i see. thanks \m/

[Runningtail]

i guess the minimum damage rule is a good idea against creatures with trample: "ok, ill do 0 damage to that, 0 damage to that, 0 damage to that, 0 damage to that, and do 7 trample damage to you. thats game."

[ImmortalinHim77]

Yeah. You know, something similar happens awhile back: (Exodus 7:9-12). Notice how Moses' creature was bigger. Because he had "hidden" manna (Revelation 2:17)

[znintendotaku]

If an attacking creature, like that 9/9 forest creature, doesnt have trample, then what would be the point in blocking with anything more than one creature? Why didnt the guy just block with his weakest creature and thats it?

[thisismy7thusername]

@znintendotaku To kill the bigger creature.

[zachlr1]

Isn't it a waste to assign more than a lethal damage to a blocker that is not last in line, because all damage is absorbed, even if it dies? Instead it would be better used on the next blocker in line, right?

[thisismy7thusername]

@zachlr1 It generally would work like that, but if you attacker had trample, and your opponent prevented damage to a creature, it would be best to send more damage to the creature without prevention than the creature with, make sense?

[Makotousaki]

This video cleared up so many misunderstandings.

[darkZarchon]

I love how at around 2:11 he flips his silvercoat into the graveyard and then gingerly picks up ajani and sets him on top P: Pretty accurate representation of using the two there.

[m4ventil]

kibbles you are right :o

he cant do that

[EliteBeast]

why doesnt he just block with one creature? instead of 5

[kibbles1053]

Wait, I didn't think that the attacker could declare who they are attacking at 1:07.

[terrancoleman]

@kibbles1053 if a planeswalker is out he has to target it specifically he cantt jsut say all his guts are attacking

[fmshazam]

@kibbles1053 Wasn't attacking a creature...just a planeswalker.

[sciencemile]

Those are some really big d20's...

[kanytu]

So imagine this cenario. I've a Phage the Untouchable under my control. The defender has 2 creatures (doesnt matter wich ones). I attack with the phage. During the assing blockers fase the defender only chooses to defend with one of these creatures. After the blocker has been assigned can i cast a Terror or something to destroy that creature? After i destroy it the defender can't choose another creature to defend it because they already declare a blocker? It this possible?

[ma573r5hr3dd3r]

Yeah, they couldn't choose another blocker, but I believe that Phage would still count as blocked, and you wouldn't deal damage to the player, so you wouldn't win. At least I'm pretty sure.

[Torishaka]

@kanytu All Blockers must be declared at the same time, just like attackers. They can't "change their mind" and add another after you've taken action.

[davethecritter]

Hey guys. During the last combat example he gives, why wouldn't he just block with Silvercoat Lion and then immediately cast shelter to protect it? That would spare his other creatures from being destroyed, and would still stop the attack. Would this not work? Thanks, I'm newish.

[ma573r5hr3dd3r]

Yeah, but he's trying to explain how blocking with multiple creatures works.

[dasquirrel715]

wow this is terrible, so a 6/4 creature now will die if I block it with an 0/7 wall and a 4/1 creature and I wont lose anything. Retarded.

[CSHxTempo]

but the player with the attacking creature chooses which defending creature blocks first.

[ma573r5hr3dd3r]

If the attacker chooses to deal damage to the 4/1 first, then you would lose that creature.

[dasquirrel715]

that's not what he says...it says the defender chooses who the damage goes to afaik

[zuken13]

wait so if i attack i could choose if i want to attack a creature or the person

[mchamster111]

no you can only choose to attack a player or a planeswalker, and that defending player chooses whether or not he or she wants to block.

[zuken13]

alright thanks dude

[TheSecondOne]

No, you can choose to attack the person(if not blocked by a creature) or an opponents Plainswalker.

[KreetaSan]

question: with the damage all being dealt immediately what happens to passive creature abilities like 'First Strike' ? does it just make that creature block first? or does it do nothing?

[noibn2]

@KreetaSan: Doesn't first strike dammage get dealt during the declear blockers step?

[mchamster111]

The creature with first strike deals all of its damage before any other creatures without first strike

[ichigoku322]

canyon minotaur isn't a vampire!!!

[cyberfairy007]

I downt realy get Magic The gathering

i have the Game on the PC

Magic the gathering DOS Version

a realy old one

im trying 2 understand how its working

but i cant its 2 hard!

[Rayvn7]

reimplement the combat system?!

Oh, wait, there's the verification... they can't calculate damage unless they put up fingers for the other player (who apparently doesn't know how to read the numbers on the cards)!

[Rayvn7]

GOD, these "combat system changes" are annoying! So, if "nothing happens during this step," why is are the players tapping attackers and blockers during the "beginning step"? And why, during the declare attackers step, is the attacking player (who, 10 seconds ago was the defending player), pointing to specific creatures that he wants to attack?

On second look, you notice that during the first potion, he taps a land before tapping his creature.

[Rayvn7]

So you might think he is activating an ability. But if his creature has an ability that can be prevented by the same creature which he is attempting to use it against, why is he attempting to use it against that creature? Or, do they just assume that all new players are stupid? (They probably do, considering their use of the term "exile" and their expression of supposed "confusion" about what it means to "come into play". )

So, how many people think we should boycott the game of Magic until

[ichigoku322]

umm.... no thanx

[Rayvn7]

reimplement the combat system?!

[ichigoku322]

he was using blinding mages ability to tap craw wurm

[TrueRPJesus]

Because the creature in question is blinding mage, and he's using his ability to tap his opponent's craw wurm in the daring "I rather not take 6 damage to the face" gambit. Not that the ACTUAL changes to the rules weren't stupid, just though I'd clarify.

[infectionsick]

this means that i cant say no more: "with damages on the stack i activate (ex: mogg fanatic sacrifice to do 1 target damage") ??

[vaderhater21]

so wait is the attacker required to assign lethal damage to all creatuers in the order the bloker puts them if able, or can he skip one in order to kill a more imortant one down the line. as i was aware by a friend the attacker could assing his damage as he willed among the blocking creatures no matter which i said was first.

[thetikia2]

The attacker puts the blocking creatures in the order he or she desires.

[Jesse2K12]

I'm am confused, does the blocker line up the attacking monsters or does the attacker line up the attacking monsters?

[AlmightyMoogle]

Hm, this change makes it a lot easier for newer players to understand. Makes Lifelink and Deathtouch considerably better as well.

[sabersplace]

Now im pretty new to the game so I dont know all the rules. But at the beginning of Declare Attackers step ( 1:08 ) he chooses to attack with 2 creatures, 1 directed directly at the player and the other at an opposing creature. As far as I know, youre only allowed to attack the player and youre not allowed to choose which creature to attack right?

[xshalashaskax]

its a planeswalker... you can choose to attack a planeswalker

[Knave504]

Cards that are titled "Planeswalkers" can be attacked instead of the player because they're considered a player. So if you play a shock, you can deal 2 damage to a creature, player, or the Planeswalker. The only difference is that if you choose to target the Planeswalker, you remove that many counters. Same with taking combat damage, you remove the counters. When that card has no more counters, it goes into the graveyard. You can block a creature attacking the Planeswalker with your creatures.

[Knave504]

That or you can watch the planeswalker primer video

[infectionsick]

he is attacking a planeswalker, that is cosidered as a player

[nsalamander]

if i have a visara the dreadful and the oppenent attacks me with two creatures, i block the 1st creature and destroyed the other with visara's ability bec its still declaring blockers will those two creature's die or only the destroyed creature?

[jwmints]

yes they will both die.

im assuming u were thinking about something like this:

opponent assigns 2 attackers.

then no1 plays any spells/abilities.

u assign visara to block attacker#1.

then u tap visara to kill attacker#2 (attacker#2 goes to the graveyard).

so on the combat damage step visara deals 5 damage to attacker#1 and attacker#1 deals its damage to visara (attacker#2 is already in the graveyard, therefore not in combat so it doesnt do any damage)

[nsalamander]

then i was tricked by my opponent... he said that on the new rule attacker #1 is only declared as block bec I use visara ability... i didnt complain bec im only into casual player and was only visiting a store when that scenario happened

[KologyX]

Ya LOL!x8

[gymkidarman]

y did they repost these vids

[shadowgripper]

Wasn't this already posted somewhere else?