You kept up bro, but you didn't win. You need to upgrade your shit. You have a B18C1 with a Type-R cam and you probably spent around 2 grand on the swap. Imagine if that WS6 invested the same cash into his.
Stock 2.73 gear in the TA for the loss. They have a hard dead spot at 40 and first gear is weak. Shift kit doesn't do all that much. As you can see by the launch those gears suck.
@rockerdude29 i can buy that civic and that motor, and have a good paintjob, with full interior, everything, for under $4000. its cheap to make a civic fast, since most "muscle cars" come at a higher price. ive also seen $5000 civics running 10's in a quarter mile.
@rockerdude29 i see them all the time for sale on craiglist, and on local forums. also, some other forums where people put their shell up for sale. alot of times, i see a shell for $2000, maybe less. you can buy a b20b or b20z for like $450.
also, if you can do the work yourself, or you have friends, you wont have to pay labor. ive seen good turbo kits go for sale around $1500-2000 also. just gotta have good resources
@2004svtterminator..Well to tell you the truth G.M already paid its full debt to the goverment. So in other words we dont owe him shit.Plus the 2010 Camaro was the number one selling sports car in the world.In its first year selling over one hundred thousand cars.So next time do your homework before you talk shit ...KID !!!
@MamaMathews3719 so much money? its way less than what was spent on the trans-am. its only a bolt-on b18 civic. like he said in the description, it made 180whp. thats not alot of money when the motor makes 195hp at the crank bone stock.
@itsamedium yes I read the beginning, kid. I also read the desription box. It claims 180whp. The ITR motor is a 195hp motor. With an intake, header, and exhaust, it can make 180whp. Besides, our bolt-ons, are basically intake, header, exhaust
@MamaMathews3719 I bet he dumped more money in that honda than that WS6 is worth if its not a K20 forget about it and im in favor of Torque and if that WS6 had a 6 speed it would beat that honda.
@96FbodyLT1 My 4l60e lasted 200,000 miles without a rebuild and i beat the shit out of it. Now i got a built 4l60e with a 1800 stall and i always manually shifted my old one. Never had problems. guess u just get a lucky build, or my dads a badass transmission builder. lol Ill go with the second one.
@96FbodyLT1 Not true. Manual shift it... even though its automatic u still got 1/2/D/OD. U dont have to race in Over drive with an automatic... Just do what i do with my camaro and from a 45 i drop the bitch into 2nd gear... Just like a stick shift but no clutch.
Nice race. I've owned both hopped up 4 bangers, and currently have a trans am, this was a really close race. I like all cars honestly, dont hate on any that have been modded to go faster than they where ever intended to.
Gotta stop recording when the LT1 starts to pass ya huh? Why not show the outcome. You seem like your ashamed of getting beat by one so you cut out the end
@jdmtuned09gt500 Auto's are fine for roll racing, the torque converter locks up, and you have 100% connection just like with a clutch. Manuals are more fun tho.
I'm rockin a 3rd gen trans am. Not to be rude but I wouldn't be caught dead in a civic. I've raced several this year I'm stock and beating stripped out hondas with motor swaps they're not that fast.
@jcbspence race one of these with a k20 motor and i bet you wouldnt. the 3rd gens are pretty slow to be honest, unless it isnt stock. even stock vs stock, theres civics that can beat the iroc Z. the 3rd gen V8's only range from 145hp-240hp. a civic is still much lighter, and most have that kind of power. im going to guess you're highly modded to say you beat stripped out, swapped hondas. i can show you a full interior 99-00 Si with a stock internal k20, and bolt-ons makin 210whp running 12.9 sec
@jcbspence i can show you more with full interior and making 220-230whp off a bolt-on k20 running high 12's. another one in particular is a full interior hatch like this video, making 214whp running 12.8. the iroc Z is a 15's car. like i said, theres stock hondas faster than that, and some are civics.
@joescivic stock irocs were mid 14 sec cars, unless your talking about the 305 tpi irocs. and your talking about a motor swap. iroc+ls3=death to k20 civic. my ls1 swapped third gen trans am ran the mid 12's with stock manifolds and nothing done to it. with a stock ls3 it would run high 11's.
@joescivic thats fast, especially being n/a, but you can do the same mods to the ls3 third gen, a full bolt on ls3 will make over 500hp at the crank, that is good for a low 11 in a 3200 pound third gen. that is no cam, no after market intake, basically just headers, exhaust, underdrive pulley, and a tune. My bolt on ls1 is in the high 11's, and the ls3's are just nastier.
@ThePrinceOfSanDiego LOL. I do Admit i like the hatch, looks good and actually doesnt sound too overly ricey, but I give the driver a thumbs down for backing off when getting pulled on.
lol - stock GM v8 vs. stock Honda i4 - blah blah is better than blah - wow this crap never gets old hahaa. if you want throttle response and a nice car get a camaro thats fun to drive - if you want a tiny cheap car that can be made to go fast with mods get something else -
but really if your gonna mod anyways why not just build an LS7 S2000 - now thats the balls - fuck it throw on a turbo or two so you can stay with the JDM part -LOL
Run an LS1 Camaro bitch! Btw if an engine has Many bolts ons it's not stock! Just letting you know since you seem to not know what you are talking about in your description! And also you had bolt ons, T/A didn't. Run it stock to stock, or to equal bolt ons! AND last but not least! You had to swap a motor into that little lunch box just to get it to keep up with the T/A! And then you had to put a bunch of bolts ons on it just to pull half a car! All of that = Fail! Bone stock LS1 6spd would own u
@AdrenalineJunky17 not a "bunch" of bolt-ons. just 3. he was just making 180whp 125tq. so thats just about right, to make that power to the WHEELS with bolt-ons to that motor. my 00 coupe with 184whp 148tq 6spd can beat an LS1 camaro. the point is, it has less cylinders, and half the power, and its capable of beating more powerful, torquey cars. i bet some japanese version civics, stock vs stock, can beat an LS1 camaro.
@joescivic Bull shit dude! Stock to stock means no engine swap or anything therefore Stock to stock your little SOHC will NOT beat an LS1 Camaro! And I used to have a 96 Civic DX which had a B16a in it. After the swap the B16a stock ran 14s. After full bolt ons it ran 12.9! Car weighed 2000LBs no driver race ready! I am not just a muscle car guy. I know what I am talking about. I ran a 12.86 in my LS1 6spd Camaro bone stock! So if I had full bolt ons on it I would have waxed my civic no prob!
@AdrenalineJunky17 im saying a stock japanese civic. as in the ones in japan only. if theres full interior coupes (99-00 Si that weighs 2600lbs) with a k20a2 (200 crank hp, 6spd) and bolt ons, that dynoed 210whp (thats ~235hp to the crank) and its running high 12's (12.9 to be exact). then how do you think a stock mugenn rr civic with a 260hp K-series engine that weighs 2414lbs would do? its stock. exactly how it cam from the factory. 260hp, 6spd, 2414lbs. the ~235hp, 6spd, 2600lb car ran 12.9
@AdrenalineJunky17 another one is a hatch, full interior, with 214whp, which again, is around 235 to the crank. he ran a 12.8. so i think it should be safe to say, that this 2414lb civic in japan with 260hp can do the same times, or maybe better. or even the 240hp version, that weighs 2700lbs. ive driven hondas for a little over 11 years. so i know what im saying also. and i like all cars as well. im just letting you know what else is out there as a "civic", that we dont have in the states
@joescivic Well, I wasn't talking about a Mugen RR or a Stock Si with a K20! I was talking about the guy in the videos hatch! You are completely off of the page here! There are many cars that could beat a LS1 bone stock! But I was talking about the hatch in the video! Stock to stock, that hatch vs that LT1 or a LS1 Camaro, that hatch would be demolished! And I'm also saying if that hatch in the video came to race me with the same mods he has in the video I would demolish him with my Stock LS1!
@AdrenalineJunky17 i know what you were saying. it also kind of sounds like no 4 cylinder civic, stock vs stock, would win against an LS1 camaro, or trans am. i was only informing you what else is still out there in the civic world.
id just like to see hondas 500hp V8 come in some american hondas we have. that way all the haters can stop hating so much (not calling you a hater)
@joescivic Oh trust me dude. I know there's more out there. I had my civic for 3 years and when I was into the "tuner" side of things I really wanted the Mugen RR but didn't have the money for it. I then sold my civic bc I needed a truck for work, which then 15 MPGs where killing me, so I then sold the truck and bought my Camaro and I absolutely love it! I can run 12s, get 28-30 HWY MPGs(depending on how I drive it), and it's is a very fun car to drive!
Lie on ur fuckin shitty ass civic. Get a car with at least 2liter engine anda lil more than 180hp. Damn. Idk fuckin car if u can beat a firebird. He couldn't drive. Come to my state n town. Ull get waxed by trucks and cars. Omg. Go back to ur computer class and find ur damn balls
@2004svtterminator How am I hiding? I'll be there on may 7th bitch. I think you're just scared. You better bring some wet wipes to clean your ass of all the shit that you're gonna have there and all over the seat of your car when I fly by you. Your need to use caps shows how scared u are little bitch HAHAHA. You better not bitch out and you better bring your cash with you cause I love taking slow ricers money hahaha. GROW SOME BALLS you cousin fuckin faggot! hahaha
@2004svtterminator You realize you're commenting to the wrong person dickwad? Ha fuckin dumbass.
I can tell you're really mad cuz u must be scared haha. I already told you may 7th norwalk raceway fagg, bring some diapers for yourself cause you're gonna need a few layers when you shit a brick when you see my front wheels come up HAHAHAHAAH
@2004svtterminator lol i love how retarded you are... i dont own a camaro, i dont own a civic, i clearly stated that a own a lexus is-f, learn to read you dumb retard... no civic has ever beat me or ever will unless its completely built or has a k24 with k20 heads or some frankenstein project done.. by the way i used to own a rx7 street ported with 200 shot of nitrous that ran 11s... clearly i have more neurons in my ass than the ones you have in your head... if you have any..
its a b18c5 motor (195hp 133tq). to the wheels, that thing makes like 160whp, and hes making 180whp 125tq. it takes bolt-ons and a tune for that motor to reach 180whp.
Even if I had built it, I would of been one of the 100+ fast camaro/firebirds at the track.
Being different is fun, also having a car that looks like its just a typical teenage kid's car that can really eat most v8's on the street is a lot fun.
@3800power Congrats? I had a LS1 6speed z28 too, they aren't bad cars stock and of course they should be faster than the 275hp LS1 when they have 320hp+ from the factory.
look not to talk shit but when i see a video of ur truck i will bolive u and for me my camaro z28 on nos runs 12 sec all day eny day and u could see me videos on youtube eny day u want and to tell u the truth evos suck there just a shoe box with wheels
@Bbdrew same here, both are allmotor, after around 90 which is the top of 3rd he just comes back and reaching the top of 4th which is 110mph or a bit more he is already passing by pretty hard... not to mention how long the gears are because of it being a automatic, if it was manual it would have walked all over the civic, if it was a LS1 it would have just plain destroyed it
@Dani01c you still have to face the facts. A stock (what im assuming is the b18) 1.8L motor keeping up with a 5.7L and beating it on the track.
Sure it may take over top end, but for 'races' what generally counts is the 1/4 mile to most people.
When you have a turbo 4cyl v8 guys will say put a turbo on the v8. Well when the v8's can run as much boost as easily as the 4cyls and as cheaply, then they'll say that
Im not saying 4cyls are the way to go.Just saying overall 4cyls should get respect
@Bbdrew they should, you reach the point there, but will never be better than most bigger engines, you will always get better results out of a bigger engine being stock or fully modded...
@Dani01c i said stock motor. implying no internal work / head work / etc. just a bone stock motor with probably intake/headers/exhaust/suspension/tune. Basically equal mods to the T/A. I didn't assume wrong.
@Bbdrew t/a had exhaust, not every single bolt on, how is that equal to every mod in the t/a? anyways it would have been worse if the t/a started in the right gear every time, not waiting to star so the car down shifts while he is racing.. why did all the dig races ended before the end of 3rd gear? whi didnt it pull on dig runs? exactly my point
So you agree I didn't assume wrong and was correct. It's still a stock honda motor with no forced induction. I'm not a honda fanboy by any means but it leaves some respect to be had for the 1.8L
Who cares about where they started, the honda still beat the T/A where it counts for most people - the track.
@Bbdrew he didnt win non of the dig ones lol so if it was on a track he would have lost, not to mention he raced till the top of 3rd in the 1/4 mile you usually reach 4th.. and yes, engine internals are stock but the car aint stock, it has power adders, no matter how you put it, its faster than what it actually is when it trully is stock
@Dani01c Sorry but I'm going to use the generally accepted idea of what 'power adders' are which is supercharger/turbocharger/nitrous.
There is a video of this civic beating this t/a on the track. T/A ran 13.6, civic ran 13.5.
Again, my point stands, it's still a N/A 1.8L with mods going against a 5.7L with mods. The civic probably has a couple more, big deal. The point stands that the fact that a little 1.8 without any boost/nitrous giving v8's a run for their money deserves some respect.
@Bbdrew lol thats how much you know, the car has around 165-170whp stock, this one has 180whp, the bolt on DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE because they dont only add power, they help the powerband... you are debating on how a modded 1.8 liter in a small car can accelerate from 10mph to around 80mph (without the opponent being in the right gear) faster than a 5.7l with just exhaust..
@Dani01c again, quit ignoring the fact. This civic beat that trans am ON the track and there is video to prove it.
I never said Bolt ons DONT make a difference. Stop putting words in my mouth to try to support your argument. Listen I'm as much of a 4cyl guy as I am a v8 guy. I just am really tired of v8 guys who spout off how 4cyls are a waste of time / v8's are the only way to go.
Again, the t/a got beat on the track where it counts for most people.
@Bbdrew sure it beat it on a track with slicks, or completely racing tires.. and the t/a was reeling in too in it was right by him the whole time.. i dont really care what kind of guy you are, no one said 4cyl are a waste of time... its just that the bigger the engine the more power you can get out of it, and the better the technology of course.. try LS7's for example, the gain a stupid amount of power out of bolt ons+tune
@Dani01c so does the 4g63 motors in that case. For $600 a DSM has been taken to 600whp and they used for example, a fuel cut defender when theres MUCH better things they could of gotten for $50 more and had the ability for way more horsepower. Just look for import tuner magazine's article on their 92 eclipse they spent $600 on and got 300whp out of with bolt ons & no tuning.
I don't see what we're arguing about if you aren't trying to demonstrate that 4cyls are pointless/a waste of time.
@Bbdrew lol put an is-f for exaple, with just exhaust you net 28whp, just exhaust... do one of these fart cans make that? i dont think so, on a turboed car?? OF COURSE, ITS CALLED FORCED INDUCTION.. try the same on any engine thats bigger and has forced induction, 2jz for example, bpu supra makes more than 400whp with stupid mods same as 03-04 cobra.. my argument is not to demonstrate 4 cyl are uselss, its the ricer power/weight ratio crap, it doesnt really win races, only ricers think that
@Dani01c is that why my friend's civic with 300whp has beat cars with 500whp? Just because of the turbo? Not the fact the car weighs 2500lbs?
You're just throwing around random junk now. My car doesn't have a *fart* can btw, it has a 3" exhaust, but it isnt a fart can. You just sound like the typical v8 lover who stereotypes every 4cylinder.
Weight DOES win races, especially in the 1/4 mile where as I've said a MILLION times now, it counts the most for most people.
@Bbdrew weight does not win races.. theres traction, gearing, power, weight, and drag coeficcient.. im not throwing random shit.. can you explain to me how does a 3800lbs 480 hp gtr beats a 3100lbs 505hp z06 IN THE TRACK WHERE IT MATTERS TO MOST PEOPLE? it certainly is not the weight because it weights roughly 700lbs more
@Dani01c Again, I NEVER said weight was the ONLY thing that wins races. I never said traction/gearing/power/drag doesn't matter. YOU Stated that weight doesn't win races. It CAN AND DOES, as its a factor in some SITUATIONS. Put a stock LS1 next to another stock LS1 with drivers of equal skill & weight, lets take out the back seat, remove a/c of one of the cars. Lets race them, the one lightened will pull ahead slightly. A race was just won by weight. Weight CAN win races depending on situation!
@Bbdrew pfft in stupid situations YES... IM TALKING ABOUT THIS VIDEO FOR EXAMPLE... for the civic to win from a dig in the 1/4 IT NEEDED SLICKS... DO YOU USE SLICKS when you drive it anywhere? i dont think so.. meaning YOU NEED ADDITIONAL THINGS BESIDES THE WEIGHT!
@Dani01c Stupid situations? So you're basically calling what COULD be any situation stupid to try to support your argument? My friend's civic has ran 11.6. he drives it on the street with drag radials and has decent enough luck with them.
Every car is going to have its downsides, I never said these light cars don't have them. I never said YOU DONT NEED ADDITIONAL THINGS BESIDES WEIGHT.
Again, I have NO clue what you're trying to argue.You're basically reinforcing exactly what I've been saying
@Dani01c Because I definitely said that exactly? ... right...
I feel you're just starting to grasp for anything now, you are telling me my argument all along is that you need a fart can and weight reduction to go fast. Please go and QUOTE me where I said that.
The point is, weight CAN win races, the civic in this video runs 13.5's which is pretty respectable for a 1.8L with no Power Adders (nitrous/turbo/supercharger since you confuse that term with fart cans and intake pipes apparantly)
@Bbdrew lol just being humorous... its too bad if you felt offended.. btw this car does 13.5 with engine swap, many bolt ons and slicks.. IS350 in example does 13.3@105 if im not mistaking without a single thing done to it air cooled/heated seats many many more things, and its not a V8 if you think im a V8 hugger... yes, 4cyl is a cheap and veeeery easy way... but sacrifice many things in order for it to be almost as fast as most cars with bigger engines..
@Dani01c How much are most IS350's though in good condition compared to a civic? I picked up my 95 hatch for a daily driver for only $800, it's clean enough I can see someone swapping it.. it's just my daily driver though with 238k and going strong on the d15. My car nor my friends car have the fart can noise either. Mainly due to being turbo'd - it's hard enough for a honda to get around the fart noise as its just the way they sound. As for my car, DSM's generally dont have the 'fart' sound
@Bbdrew how dont care how much more does it cost, ask anyone what they prefer, you and i both know the answer, the extra money IS WORTH IT... anyways most 4 cyl with a 3 inch exhaust WILL sound like a fart can... btw the fart can thing was a fucking joke... get over it already and stop getting but hurt about it
@Dani01c Because sarcasm comes across clearly on the internet. I don't know about you but I can build a civic or DSM just as cheaply if not cheaper than an LS1 in some situations. My friend's civic which ran 11.9 was built for under 2500. I'm not getting butt hurt, if anything it sounds like you're getting more defensive and butthurt
@Bbdrew cheaper dont think so... butt hurt? lol of what? your fart can wet dream? please lol! im ok with what i have right now, i ran 12.7@114 with NO MODS air/cooled seats pure luxury and even better, i get 27-30.1mpg depending on how i drive thanks to the 2 stage intake the IS-F has.. and that run was before joe z intake/exhaust..
@Dani01c looks like you're butt hurt idk waht you are even tryen to defend here. many cars are cheap to build. I have right around 10k in my camaro + the 9000 i bought it for. a lot of that came from my rear end 2500 and my trans 270
@StreetSweeperZ28 you are talking to the wrong person, first i was correcting this fag on how power/weight ratio doesnt do magic and makes car super fast, it just makes accelerate faster at low speeds, after that its still slow, then he changed subject on how he can build a honda with less money and faster than ls1/lt1, then changed subject about his friends civic which no one cares about.. and in the process he got hurt because i said he is dumb for having a 3' exhaust on a sohc civic..
@Dani01c So now you're throwing childish insults around calling me a fag and such? You're showing how mature you really are. You realize how good of top end DSM's have right? My friend's civic pulls well into the 150+ range and has before. I have and have helped work on many 10/11 second 4cyls and even have the vids to prove it ffs. 3" Exhaust on a SOHC civic with a Bullseye 57 Trim making 300+whp is dumb?
You led into the subject changes. You're wrong, now clean up that blood from your vagina
@Bbdrew i didnt lead to any subject changes you dumbass, my main argument was how you THEORY of power/weight ratio magically wins races.. you came out of nowhere how you can build civic cheaper/faster.. look in my vids in the 9 second s2k, i worked on that f20c building it.. also i had built an rx7 i used to own my self and streetported it.. you dont know me, stop talking random shit on the internet.. "clean that blood from your vagina" lol im not the one who got serious w/ fart can comment
@Dani01c I said I can build a civic for cheap and be fast, I never said it'd be faster than that or this. You're the one still name calling like you're in gradeschool(maybe you still are?)
You put words in my mouth to give yourself other angles to attack me from to make yourself feel better. I believe everything you type I REALLY DO!! And sarcasm comes across in printed words? Hah don't bullshit me just because you realize you were wrong and now say you were sarcastic.
@Bbdrew well im not the one whos getting all defensive and all offended lol! now swallow this cock and stop whining like a bitch... i dont even know your real name dumbass cant call you by your name either... "no it shouldn't... that civic weighs 2200-2300lbs from the factory, less if theres any weight reduction. That fbody weighs 3400-3700.." your saying it sholdnt pull the civic because its heavier, it did past 90mph everytime, thats why i replied to you...
@Dani01c you are getting defense here. power to weight ratio is learned and I already schooled you on it. Haha sounds like I tripped a nerve with you, I never said the fbody SHOULDNT pull, I stated why the civic was faster in the 1/4 mile and is respectable for what it is. You got all butthurt.
Take the cock out of your mouth and stuff something in that vagina of yours to block the bloodflow, cause you just got tore up again hahahahaha
@Dani01c No duh the civic kept up with the LT1 it weighs a bunch less! Youre fuckin stupid if u dont think the civic will keep up yea eventually the v8 will have the top end but the civic still kept up because it weighs less.
no one cares if ur stock car will run 12s big fuckin deal ur just a fuckin idiot
@Bbdrew lol "A fucking 180whp 2200 tin can will beat a 3400lb 220whp boat".. once again, all it did was accelerate faster from 20-90mph.. NOTHING ELSE.. DIG RUNS IT LOST, EVERYTIME PAST 90MPH IT GOT RAPED AND SHUT DOWN E V E R Y T I M E... get that cheap civic off your ass you stupid bum that couldnt even afford a $1000 car... your stupidity is pitiful
@Dani01c You realize he doesn't even have a civic? If you look at his vids he has a pretty damn fast DSM and it sounds like you're jealous. You are wrong, give up retard
@Dani01c So your judging me by my daily driver?! ROFL HAHAHAHAHAA
Yep I'm dumb because I have a great running daily driver for $800. And my laser I have $6000 into including purchase price! HAHAHAHA
IT BEAT IT ON THE TRACK, 1320 or nothing WHO GIVES A FUCK.
The guy act like theres no way the civic should even be close so I corrected him.
Grow the fuck up, you're just mad cause you thought you'd be a smartass and comment back and now it's turned into a shitfest that I've humiliated you in. HAHA!
@Dani01c Wow you also really need to learn to red. I said I have a daily driver civic. I never said IT had a 3" exhaust. My friend's civic does, it's an 11sec car. Jesus, how you can be so retarded and then try to bash others all while flaunting how big of a tool you are just makes me laugh!
I swear, you must of been the result of humans mating with vegetables to be such a dumbass.
Just quit commenting, no one here agrees with you obviously - you're just humiliating yourself over and over.
@Bbdrew you've humiliated no one but your bum ass who doesnt own shit but a 800 dollar car and trying to act like vin diesel lol! youre trying to post your fast and the furious poster and StreetSeepetZ28 is too dumb to help you lol! and congrats for your friends car.. want a cookie? stop trying to be fast with other peoples shit you dumb fag.. the main subject is how power/weight ratio wins races youve never been able to explain how does a gtr beat a c6 z06.. thats cause you dont have the answer
@Dani01c yeah i'm actin like vin diesel, rofl i guess if that's what you want to call "knowing more than you".
My car is faster than my friend's car you dumb fuck, I'm just using his car as an example. My car weighs 3100lbs. You're just a fuckin retard who can't decipher anythign I say. I never said power/weight was everything, just said its why this civic even keeps up the way it does.
You've been humiliated again, aren't you tired of that cock in your mouth yet? HAHAHA
@Bbdrew lol wow so humiliating, you are saying it keeps up and you can clearly see the t/a pull on him on every single pull all he does is get a jump in the time the tranny in the t/a downshifts.. you are too dumb to watch and analyze the video, not me.. sorry kid take your sorry ass $800 civic and your cock loving jokes some other place LOL
@Dani01c BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY "KEEPING UP" = BEATING?! Jesus they should make you go through tests before allowing you access to the internet to keep retards like you who have no comprehension skills from making yourself look like an idiot. You're just the typical youtube commenter haha.
Sorry man but with all the bullshit you spew it's just too obvious you have a big dick in your ass and its making you grumpy haha. I'll wax any shit you got in my laser any day of the week, thanks though HAHAHAHA
@Bbdrew lol what a moron, i never knew keeping up is getting BEAT! and im the retard, lol watch it over and over get pulled, keep drowning in denial.. sorry man but all the dick hugging jokes you made , its just too obvious that you are a fag, not to mention that you own a $800 fart can civic and think you are fast because your friend makes high 11s, yeah buddy, go suck his dick too HAHAHAA
See, you can't even READ HAHAHAHA. Don't try to call me a fag just cause you want my cock you fag hahaha. It beat the lt1 on the track, thats it. Game over, DONE. My civic has a STOCK exhaust. I have PLYMOUTH LASER THAT RUNS 11'S!! You're a fucking retard and can't read. You 'SAY' you've built this and that. Yeah, everyone on youtube has a million horsepower car or has built one.
You're just mad you're wrong. Stop trying to alter the definitions of phrases to help you. You're a TOOL HAHAHAHAHA
There you go! MY car running 11.7@123mph spinning and granny shifting!!
You started off civil in this little debate that you were wrong from the beginning in, and now you're just exploding all over in desperation after being proved so wrong and humiliated so bad. Just quit while you're behind before you're so deep in the shit that you find your great great grandparents!
You've already proven one of your parents must of been a potato for you to be this retarded HAHA
my track car, your point?? this shows how retarded YOU are and cant even remain in subject... due to your theory on power/weight ratio i cant still understand how does a lighter car lose to a heavier and less powerful one because (gtr vs z06) youve been avoiding it all along trying to show off that slow as ugly shit and your $800 daily driver lol!
@Dani01c You're a fuckin retard! his point was that he has a fast car when u were only sayin he has a civic. the civic in this vid was keeping up with the lt1 cause of weight u dumb fuck.
s2000s are gay as fuck, and im sure that aint even urs because youre way to fuckin retarded to have anything built unless you're a fag who throws money at shops to build shit for you.
no one besides you ever made the comment about power/weight being everything in the world from what i can see, just stfu
@Dani01c You were acting like all i got is my DD hahaha, you're just mad now. I'm perfectly in subject, nothings funnier than a retard trying to convince people he isn't retarded hahaha. Z06 beats the GTR in a straight line, what is your point? GTR wins on a road course, better suspension, handling, weight distribution, aerodynamics - you're grasping for anything now and just proving what I was saying from the beginning. I never SAID power/weight was everything you dumbfuck, FUCKIN LEARN TO READ
@Bbdrew not in a 1/4 mile lol... Z06 IS faster anything after it thought... it traps lots of higher speeds and in roll races it will do the same thing as this lt1 does to the civic.. but still i thought power/weight ratio had a lot if influence in drag racing which is what matters to most people according to you.. and yes you said that, and giving the exaple of removing the seats on a camaro bla bla bla... keep changing subjects, whats next? my spelling? because this isnt an english test lol
@Dani01c a c6 z06 is faster in the 1/4 mile then the GTR... I don't know what you're talking about. Again as I said, I NEVER SAID POWER/WEIGHT RATIO WAS EVERYTHING which is how you keep basing your bullshit towards me on which is completely false. I haven't changed the subject, you're the one backpedalling and keep coming up with new things to try to pick at and grasp for something. My example made sense, why are you mad about that? I simply gave a situation where weight DID change the outcome
@Bbdrew incorrect, GTR IS faster than Z06 in 1/4 mile man.. Z06 just trap lots of higher speeds, it pulls hard after 3rd but isnt enough to catch it at the end... im not even saying you said its actually everything lol.. i said everything based on the example you gave.. i bet if put the same car with bolt ons vs the same car without back seats spare tire and passenger seat, the bolt on will win.. the reason this civic was so close really was hp and the gearing which was awfull in the t/a
@Dani01c Yes because I gave you an example specifically where weight WOULD be the deciding factor since you were acting like it has hardly any impact at all on a race outcome.From what I've seen the GTR runs the 1/4 mile bone stock stock tires in11.6, Z06 best i've found 11.2 although I believe I saw an 11.0 around the time they first came out and people were setting records
It doesnt matter the gearing was bad in the T/A, mods are mods. if it doesnt have them tough luck, doesnt change anything
@Bbdrew t/a had very long gears and it probably has not much more than 200whp which makes it close to what the civic has, and with those long gears it destroys its acceleration.. thats why some hondas are pretty good in acceleration like s2k, best mod for the money are gears(4.77), which make you go from 14.0-14.1 to 13.6-.7 just with that due to them being a lot shorter and thus accelerating more because it stays in its powerband hte whole time..
@Dani01c How would anyone be dumb for having a 3" exhaust on a SOHC civic if it's turbo'd and built?
I read back and he never said power/weight ratio was the end all do all. You don't even know what you're talking about man. You said below you ran 12.7 in a stock car? Congrats you've ran high 12's in a stock car you've put no real time/effort into which really makes it meaningless.
Don't start insulting people/name calling just because you're desperate, accept the fact your wrong and move on
@StreetSweeperZ28 i wasnt wrong at anything lol my argument was how this dumbass thinks power/weight ratio makes a civic super fast.. he never explained to me how does a GTR beat a Z06 in 1/4 and circuit track despite being 700lbs heavier and having 25hp less... he's just a biased honda fan because he owns one.. and i may not have but effort on my IS-F because i dont need to, ive buil a rx7 and a 9second 700whp s2k before..
@Bbdrew my brother has a buddy with a EG just like this one but champion white or what ever the ITR white color is called, it has a B18 in it runs 12.3@113 it IS A FAST CAR and doesnt have the typical fart can sound and its all motor, but its not stock in any way lol!
You kept up bro, but you didn't win. You need to upgrade your shit. You have a B18C1 with a Type-R cam and you probably spent around 2 grand on the swap. Imagine if that WS6 invested the same cash into his.
fatalwarp 1 week ago
That WS6 needs some gears badly. Clearly wins everytime
willymywonka 3 weeks ago
Trans am sounded pissed. Honda sounded like a whiny little girl.
justingarotte219 1 month ago
so......it took an engineswap to run even with the pontiac.....
smirnofowner 1 month ago
Stock 2.73 gear in the TA for the loss. They have a hard dead spot at 40 and first gear is weak. Shift kit doesn't do all that much. As you can see by the launch those gears suck.
NoMoneyZLTx 1 month ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 yada BOHOSISKIN LOL :D
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 you dont make no damn sence BROHAM
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
@IROCwarriorAMC88 because i CAN BET YOU 1000 bucks that CIVIC asked the TA to race him , NOT THE OTHERWAY AROUND
SuperSnake330CID 2 months ago
great runs. i dig it when the races are close.
ztwntyn8 2 months ago
That civic shoulda won from a dig
chicotoe 2 months ago
why does the ws6 have a chick in the passenger seat, hmmmmmm
fleetfeet2004 2 months ago
why does the civic driver look like a fag? lololololololol
fleetfeet2004 2 months ago
looks to me the lt1 was pulling away when you decided to cut the video from the stop light...
fleetfeet2004 2 months ago
Now race a Ls1 :)
f34rthe4banger 2 months ago
thats not a WS6...
J3FFY23 2 months ago
civic has no top end
hellrell2092 2 months ago
Intake*
MrJClt1 3 months ago
I have an lt1 roadmaster, exhaust and I take mods, my best race was an InfinitiG35 and I won :D
MrJClt1 3 months ago
Trans am sounds mean, this civic is sick too. Both are great cars
MrJClt1 3 months ago
Let's see 70 - 140 mph
GrimKern 3 months ago
Civic has a closer gear ratio
GrimKern 3 months ago
YEAH RIGHT,LOL
Raythizzel 4 months ago
Now go from a dig...cuz im willing to bet you can't launch that thing for shit
TwoWheelRides 4 months ago
That pos civic is not stock. and why in the fuck is this geek driving? Get your scrawny ass a milk shake and a book.
89camarocragerSS 5 months ago
lol roll racing with an auto.
Feenyxxx95 6 months ago
nice civic but i wouldnt call that a kill on the T/A
SpeedDemons420 6 months ago
Damn give the kid some props, he has a 4 cyl civic hanging with a v8 ws6. even if it is an lt1 that is still pretty impressive.
yahoo4you 7 months ago
now, race an ls1, or an lt1 bird with "just an ls1 swap", or an lt1 with bolt ons :) good luck!
Nater36 8 months ago
@96FbodyLT1 You can always move your shift selector into the gear you need, its actually easier on everything if you do.
midwestzx2 8 months ago
Trailer trash trans am
ricers...
fuck em both.
putts3yy 8 months ago
@putts3yy What do you drive?
YouSoundButtHurt 7 months ago
I bet the civic cost alot more to make ;) besides,put a tune and a few small intake mods on the LT1 and bye bye civic.
rockerdude29 9 months ago
@rockerdude29 i can buy that civic and that motor, and have a good paintjob, with full interior, everything, for under $4000. its cheap to make a civic fast, since most "muscle cars" come at a higher price. ive also seen $5000 civics running 10's in a quarter mile.
joescivic 9 months ago
@joescivic Show me where and how.I can barely find a clean D16 hatch for under 4k,let alone a mid 13 second one.
rockerdude29 9 months ago
@rockerdude29 i see them all the time for sale on craiglist, and on local forums. also, some other forums where people put their shell up for sale. alot of times, i see a shell for $2000, maybe less. you can buy a b20b or b20z for like $450.
also, if you can do the work yourself, or you have friends, you wont have to pay labor. ive seen good turbo kits go for sale around $1500-2000 also. just gotta have good resources
joescivic 9 months ago
I am a Mustang owner, but this vid is bullshit fucking retards cutting the vid off when the muscle is gonna win
testify221 9 months ago
I love it when the ws6 starts to pull they stop the vid lol silly ricers
nitrous818 9 months ago
@2004svtterminator..Well to tell you the truth G.M already paid its full debt to the goverment. So in other words we dont owe him shit.Plus the 2010 Camaro was the number one selling sports car in the world.In its first year selling over one hundred thousand cars.So next time do your homework before you talk shit ...KID !!!
1997SScamaroNOS 9 months ago
Good race.
But A4<M6 if it would have been a M6 or had gears it would have walked away...
92DSM 10 months ago
@92DSM a stalled AUTO will rape Any m6..
onebadg8 10 months ago
@onebadg8 Yeah but in this case M6>A4.
92DSM 10 months ago
God the guy driving the Hatch is a fag! sad a civic with so much money in it cant even beat a stock ws6 HA
MamaMathews3719 10 months ago
@MamaMathews3719 so much money? its way less than what was spent on the trans-am. its only a bolt-on b18 civic. like he said in the description, it made 180whp. thats not alot of money when the motor makes 195hp at the crank bone stock.
joescivic 10 months ago
@joescivic did you not read the beginning of the video
"Integra Type R Swap, MANY BOLT ONS"
i dont think thats bone stock my friend...a full exhaust for a trans am doesnt cost much either, about 600, and the lt1 trans ams are cheap too
now that trans am is stock
itsamedium 9 months ago
@itsamedium yes I read the beginning, kid. I also read the desription box. It claims 180whp. The ITR motor is a 195hp motor. With an intake, header, and exhaust, it can make 180whp. Besides, our bolt-ons, are basically intake, header, exhaust
joescivic 9 months ago
@MamaMathews3719 I bet he dumped more money in that honda than that WS6 is worth if its not a K20 forget about it and im in favor of Torque and if that WS6 had a 6 speed it would beat that honda.
BimmerM5e39 10 months ago
@96FbodyLT1 My 4l60e lasted 200,000 miles without a rebuild and i beat the shit out of it. Now i got a built 4l60e with a 1800 stall and i always manually shifted my old one. Never had problems. guess u just get a lucky build, or my dads a badass transmission builder. lol Ill go with the second one.
mgbadboyz 10 months ago
@96FbodyLT1 Not true. Manual shift it... even though its automatic u still got 1/2/D/OD. U dont have to race in Over drive with an automatic... Just do what i do with my camaro and from a 45 i drop the bitch into 2nd gear... Just like a stick shift but no clutch.
mgbadboyz 10 months ago
This is a joke right. A civic is stupid. The TA toasted you off the line.
93mustang 10 months ago 2
This is a joke right. A civic is stupid.
93mustang 10 months ago 2
how does a civic even go that fast
codywindsor12 11 months ago
Nice race. I've owned both hopped up 4 bangers, and currently have a trans am, this was a really close race. I like all cars honestly, dont hate on any that have been modded to go faster than they where ever intended to.
midwestzx2 11 months ago
Gotta stop recording when the LT1 starts to pass ya huh? Why not show the outcome. You seem like your ashamed of getting beat by one so you cut out the end
95birdman 11 months ago
McLovin got himself a civic
MrBratko55 11 months ago 2
i like how the f body sticks with the honda when its bogged down in between gears
msively 11 months ago
Who the hell roll races a automatic.
jdmtuned09gt500 1 year ago 7
@jdmtuned09gt500 Auto's are fine for roll racing, the torque converter locks up, and you have 100% connection just like with a clutch. Manuals are more fun tho.
midwestzx2 11 months ago
@jdmtuned09gt500 its called a stall converter buddy. a 3600 stall with boltons and you will rape most anything on the road.
EightEqualsDdotcom1 8 months ago
I'm rockin a 3rd gen trans am. Not to be rude but I wouldn't be caught dead in a civic. I've raced several this year I'm stock and beating stripped out hondas with motor swaps they're not that fast.
jcbspence 1 year ago
@jcbspence race one of these with a k20 motor and i bet you wouldnt. the 3rd gens are pretty slow to be honest, unless it isnt stock. even stock vs stock, theres civics that can beat the iroc Z. the 3rd gen V8's only range from 145hp-240hp. a civic is still much lighter, and most have that kind of power. im going to guess you're highly modded to say you beat stripped out, swapped hondas. i can show you a full interior 99-00 Si with a stock internal k20, and bolt-ons makin 210whp running 12.9 sec
joescivic 11 months ago
@jcbspence i can show you more with full interior and making 220-230whp off a bolt-on k20 running high 12's. another one in particular is a full interior hatch like this video, making 214whp running 12.8. the iroc Z is a 15's car. like i said, theres stock hondas faster than that, and some are civics.
joescivic 11 months ago
@joescivic stock irocs were mid 14 sec cars, unless your talking about the 305 tpi irocs. and your talking about a motor swap. iroc+ls3=death to k20 civic. my ls1 swapped third gen trans am ran the mid 12's with stock manifolds and nothing done to it. with a stock ls3 it would run high 11's.
firechicken76 11 months ago
@firechicken76 theres also k20 swapped cars in the 11's with bolt-ons and a tune, but they have slicks
joescivic 11 months ago
@joescivic thats fast, especially being n/a, but you can do the same mods to the ls3 third gen, a full bolt on ls3 will make over 500hp at the crank, that is good for a low 11 in a 3200 pound third gen. that is no cam, no after market intake, basically just headers, exhaust, underdrive pulley, and a tune. My bolt on ls1 is in the high 11's, and the ls3's are just nastier.
firechicken76 11 months ago
Why does the civic let off EVERY time the ws6 pulls even with him....
circlelt1 1 year ago 17
@circlelt1 exactly. he's also racing a 2.73 geared automatic. how can he say "i'll mark this another win" when the lt1 clearly pulls on him everytime
willymywonka 11 months ago
@circlelt1 Because he's afraid of loosing, soo he lets off the throttle to make it look like he won.
It's a win in a ricers book. ;)
ThePrinceOfSanDiego 11 months ago
@ThePrinceOfSanDiego LOL. I do Admit i like the hatch, looks good and actually doesnt sound too overly ricey, but I give the driver a thumbs down for backing off when getting pulled on.
circlelt1 11 months ago
hey its McLovin
JNagy129 1 year ago 2
lol - stock GM v8 vs. stock Honda i4 - blah blah is better than blah - wow this crap never gets old hahaa. if you want throttle response and a nice car get a camaro thats fun to drive - if you want a tiny cheap car that can be made to go fast with mods get something else -
but really if your gonna mod anyways why not just build an LS7 S2000 - now thats the balls - fuck it throw on a turbo or two so you can stay with the JDM part -LOL
piglizzard 1 year ago
so from a roll you can win... But real racing, from a dig you get beat. TA > Honda
GTPTaylor 1 year ago
Run an LS1 Camaro bitch! Btw if an engine has Many bolts ons it's not stock! Just letting you know since you seem to not know what you are talking about in your description! And also you had bolt ons, T/A didn't. Run it stock to stock, or to equal bolt ons! AND last but not least! You had to swap a motor into that little lunch box just to get it to keep up with the T/A! And then you had to put a bunch of bolts ons on it just to pull half a car! All of that = Fail! Bone stock LS1 6spd would own u
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 not a "bunch" of bolt-ons. just 3. he was just making 180whp 125tq. so thats just about right, to make that power to the WHEELS with bolt-ons to that motor. my 00 coupe with 184whp 148tq 6spd can beat an LS1 camaro. the point is, it has less cylinders, and half the power, and its capable of beating more powerful, torquey cars. i bet some japanese version civics, stock vs stock, can beat an LS1 camaro.
joescivic 1 year ago
@joescivic Bull shit dude! Stock to stock means no engine swap or anything therefore Stock to stock your little SOHC will NOT beat an LS1 Camaro! And I used to have a 96 Civic DX which had a B16a in it. After the swap the B16a stock ran 14s. After full bolt ons it ran 12.9! Car weighed 2000LBs no driver race ready! I am not just a muscle car guy. I know what I am talking about. I ran a 12.86 in my LS1 6spd Camaro bone stock! So if I had full bolt ons on it I would have waxed my civic no prob!
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 im saying a stock japanese civic. as in the ones in japan only. if theres full interior coupes (99-00 Si that weighs 2600lbs) with a k20a2 (200 crank hp, 6spd) and bolt ons, that dynoed 210whp (thats ~235hp to the crank) and its running high 12's (12.9 to be exact). then how do you think a stock mugenn rr civic with a 260hp K-series engine that weighs 2414lbs would do? its stock. exactly how it cam from the factory. 260hp, 6spd, 2414lbs. the ~235hp, 6spd, 2600lb car ran 12.9
joescivic 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 another one is a hatch, full interior, with 214whp, which again, is around 235 to the crank. he ran a 12.8. so i think it should be safe to say, that this 2414lb civic in japan with 260hp can do the same times, or maybe better. or even the 240hp version, that weighs 2700lbs. ive driven hondas for a little over 11 years. so i know what im saying also. and i like all cars as well. im just letting you know what else is out there as a "civic", that we dont have in the states
joescivic 1 year ago
@joescivic Well, I wasn't talking about a Mugen RR or a Stock Si with a K20! I was talking about the guy in the videos hatch! You are completely off of the page here! There are many cars that could beat a LS1 bone stock! But I was talking about the hatch in the video! Stock to stock, that hatch vs that LT1 or a LS1 Camaro, that hatch would be demolished! And I'm also saying if that hatch in the video came to race me with the same mods he has in the video I would demolish him with my Stock LS1!
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
@AdrenalineJunky17 i know what you were saying. it also kind of sounds like no 4 cylinder civic, stock vs stock, would win against an LS1 camaro, or trans am. i was only informing you what else is still out there in the civic world.
id just like to see hondas 500hp V8 come in some american hondas we have. that way all the haters can stop hating so much (not calling you a hater)
joescivic 1 year ago
@joescivic Oh trust me dude. I know there's more out there. I had my civic for 3 years and when I was into the "tuner" side of things I really wanted the Mugen RR but didn't have the money for it. I then sold my civic bc I needed a truck for work, which then 15 MPGs where killing me, so I then sold the truck and bought my Camaro and I absolutely love it! I can run 12s, get 28-30 HWY MPGs(depending on how I drive it), and it's is a very fun car to drive!
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
racing a honda is like coming out of the closet: u may surprise a few people but in the end ur still gay
joshvillalobos1 1 year ago
I don't give a shi t if that shitty Honda is faster, The Trans Am is still A LOT cooler!
AlxeMsatain 1 year ago
Kid in the Civic can shift. Guy in the bird should be embarrassed, even if its just a slow LT1 auto.
hypermite01 1 year ago
all the trans am needs is gears, 2.73's dont cut it, I know when I swapped mine out for 3.73's it was a HUGE difference. I love eating civics.
kinkrenagade 1 year ago
lt1s aren't that fast but i'd be surprised if that civic didn't have higher numbers than 185 and 125
ChallengerGuy22 1 year ago
Damn!!! if i owned that LT1, i would burn it up, and call it a day!!!!
clfjr8609 1 year ago
Awwww look it is the little civic that couldn't.
prostreetcamaro 1 year ago
WOOT!? Da Civic won 'cause Harry Potter drove it!!! END OF DISCUSSION!!!
praqc 1 year ago
the little civic couldnt
kayayita91 1 year ago
Wheres the rest of the race, the camera cuts off as soon as the trans am begins to pull
TWIZTTID 1 year ago 2
Lie on ur fuckin shitty ass civic. Get a car with at least 2liter engine anda lil more than 180hp. Damn. Idk fuckin car if u can beat a firebird. He couldn't drive. Come to my state n town. Ull get waxed by trucks and cars. Omg. Go back to ur computer class and find ur damn balls
buddyss321 1 year ago
@2004svtterminator How am I hiding? I'll be there on may 7th bitch. I think you're just scared. You better bring some wet wipes to clean your ass of all the shit that you're gonna have there and all over the seat of your car when I fly by you. Your need to use caps shows how scared u are little bitch HAHAHA. You better not bitch out and you better bring your cash with you cause I love taking slow ricers money hahaha. GROW SOME BALLS you cousin fuckin faggot! hahaha
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@2004svtterminator you still mad that you're slow? yeah I thought so :)
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@2004svtterminator You realize you're commenting to the wrong person dickwad? Ha fuckin dumbass.
I can tell you're really mad cuz u must be scared haha. I already told you may 7th norwalk raceway fagg, bring some diapers for yourself cause you're gonna need a few layers when you shit a brick when you see my front wheels come up HAHAHAHAAH
Be there with 500 cash bitch HAHAHA
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@2004svtterminator and for your dumb ass that doesnt know how to read, i ran 12.7@114mph in a stock is-f.. read next you dumb fag...
Dani01c 1 year ago
@2004svtterminator lol i love how retarded you are... i dont own a camaro, i dont own a civic, i clearly stated that a own a lexus is-f, learn to read you dumb retard... no civic has ever beat me or ever will unless its completely built or has a k24 with k20 heads or some frankenstein project done.. by the way i used to own a rx7 street ported with 200 shot of nitrous that ran 11s... clearly i have more neurons in my ass than the ones you have in your head... if you have any..
Dani01c 1 year ago
its a b18c5 motor (195hp 133tq). to the wheels, that thing makes like 160whp, and hes making 180whp 125tq. it takes bolt-ons and a tune for that motor to reach 180whp.
joescivic 1 year ago
Race an LS1 6-Speed and get back to us. No more of this ricer roll crap either.
3800power 1 year ago
@3800power i had a 6spd LS1, it was boring.
Even if I had built it, I would of been one of the 100+ fast camaro/firebirds at the track.
Being different is fun, also having a car that looks like its just a typical teenage kid's car that can really eat most v8's on the street is a lot fun.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew My monte carlo was a sleeper. They are not fun, lol. FWD is boring since all you do is light the tires up unless you are on slicks.
My T-56 Camaro is MUCH more fun than any other car I have driven, and is a lot faster than an auto LT1. I would stomp that civic from a dig or a roll.
3800power 1 year ago
@3800power Congrats? I had a LS1 6speed z28 too, they aren't bad cars stock and of course they should be faster than the 275hp LS1 when they have 320hp+ from the factory.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@3800power look at the hole video. there are races from the dig.
gsrboy171 1 year ago
look not to talk shit but when i see a video of ur truck i will bolive u and for me my camaro z28 on nos runs 12 sec all day eny day and u could see me videos on youtube eny day u want and to tell u the truth evos suck there just a shoe box with wheels
TheElyssa11 1 year ago
@protector348 no it shouldn't....
that civic weighs 2200-2300lbs from the factory, less if theres any weight reduction. That fbody weighs 3400-3700..
Power to weight ratio, learn it
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew too bad power/weight ratio only works for low speeds, cant you see how past 90mph he just comes back?
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c on an all motor car yes, for example my buddy's civic which i have a couple videos of, keeps the advantage well into 120+
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew same here, both are allmotor, after around 90 which is the top of 3rd he just comes back and reaching the top of 4th which is 110mph or a bit more he is already passing by pretty hard... not to mention how long the gears are because of it being a automatic, if it was manual it would have walked all over the civic, if it was a LS1 it would have just plain destroyed it
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c you still have to face the facts. A stock (what im assuming is the b18) 1.8L motor keeping up with a 5.7L and beating it on the track.
Sure it may take over top end, but for 'races' what generally counts is the 1/4 mile to most people.
When you have a turbo 4cyl v8 guys will say put a turbo on the v8. Well when the v8's can run as much boost as easily as the 4cyls and as cheaply, then they'll say that
Im not saying 4cyls are the way to go.Just saying overall 4cyls should get respect
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew they should, you reach the point there, but will never be better than most bigger engines, you will always get better results out of a bigger engine being stock or fully modded...
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Bbdrew btw you assumed wrong, in the beginning of the video it says B18(many bolt ons)
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c i said stock motor. implying no internal work / head work / etc. just a bone stock motor with probably intake/headers/exhaust/suspension/tune. Basically equal mods to the T/A. I didn't assume wrong.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew t/a had exhaust, not every single bolt on, how is that equal to every mod in the t/a? anyways it would have been worse if the t/a started in the right gear every time, not waiting to star so the car down shifts while he is racing.. why did all the dig races ended before the end of 3rd gear? whi didnt it pull on dig runs? exactly my point
Dani01c 1 year ago
So you agree I didn't assume wrong and was correct. It's still a stock honda motor with no forced induction. I'm not a honda fanboy by any means but it leaves some respect to be had for the 1.8L
Who cares about where they started, the honda still beat the T/A where it counts for most people - the track.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew he didnt win non of the dig ones lol so if it was on a track he would have lost, not to mention he raced till the top of 3rd in the 1/4 mile you usually reach 4th.. and yes, engine internals are stock but the car aint stock, it has power adders, no matter how you put it, its faster than what it actually is when it trully is stock
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Sorry but I'm going to use the generally accepted idea of what 'power adders' are which is supercharger/turbocharger/nitrous.
There is a video of this civic beating this t/a on the track. T/A ran 13.6, civic ran 13.5.
Again, my point stands, it's still a N/A 1.8L with mods going against a 5.7L with mods. The civic probably has a couple more, big deal. The point stands that the fact that a little 1.8 without any boost/nitrous giving v8's a run for their money deserves some respect.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol thats how much you know, the car has around 165-170whp stock, this one has 180whp, the bolt on DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE because they dont only add power, they help the powerband... you are debating on how a modded 1.8 liter in a small car can accelerate from 10mph to around 80mph (without the opponent being in the right gear) faster than a 5.7l with just exhaust..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c again, quit ignoring the fact. This civic beat that trans am ON the track and there is video to prove it.
I never said Bolt ons DONT make a difference. Stop putting words in my mouth to try to support your argument. Listen I'm as much of a 4cyl guy as I am a v8 guy. I just am really tired of v8 guys who spout off how 4cyls are a waste of time / v8's are the only way to go.
Again, the t/a got beat on the track where it counts for most people.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew sure it beat it on a track with slicks, or completely racing tires.. and the t/a was reeling in too in it was right by him the whole time.. i dont really care what kind of guy you are, no one said 4cyl are a waste of time... its just that the bigger the engine the more power you can get out of it, and the better the technology of course.. try LS7's for example, the gain a stupid amount of power out of bolt ons+tune
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c so does the 4g63 motors in that case. For $600 a DSM has been taken to 600whp and they used for example, a fuel cut defender when theres MUCH better things they could of gotten for $50 more and had the ability for way more horsepower. Just look for import tuner magazine's article on their 92 eclipse they spent $600 on and got 300whp out of with bolt ons & no tuning.
I don't see what we're arguing about if you aren't trying to demonstrate that 4cyls are pointless/a waste of time.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol put an is-f for exaple, with just exhaust you net 28whp, just exhaust... do one of these fart cans make that? i dont think so, on a turboed car?? OF COURSE, ITS CALLED FORCED INDUCTION.. try the same on any engine thats bigger and has forced induction, 2jz for example, bpu supra makes more than 400whp with stupid mods same as 03-04 cobra.. my argument is not to demonstrate 4 cyl are uselss, its the ricer power/weight ratio crap, it doesnt really win races, only ricers think that
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c is that why my friend's civic with 300whp has beat cars with 500whp? Just because of the turbo? Not the fact the car weighs 2500lbs?
You're just throwing around random junk now. My car doesn't have a *fart* can btw, it has a 3" exhaust, but it isnt a fart can. You just sound like the typical v8 lover who stereotypes every 4cylinder.
Weight DOES win races, especially in the 1/4 mile where as I've said a MILLION times now, it counts the most for most people.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew weight does not win races.. theres traction, gearing, power, weight, and drag coeficcient.. im not throwing random shit.. can you explain to me how does a 3800lbs 480 hp gtr beats a 3100lbs 505hp z06 IN THE TRACK WHERE IT MATTERS TO MOST PEOPLE? it certainly is not the weight because it weights roughly 700lbs more
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Again, I NEVER said weight was the ONLY thing that wins races. I never said traction/gearing/power/drag doesn't matter. YOU Stated that weight doesn't win races. It CAN AND DOES, as its a factor in some SITUATIONS. Put a stock LS1 next to another stock LS1 with drivers of equal skill & weight, lets take out the back seat, remove a/c of one of the cars. Lets race them, the one lightened will pull ahead slightly. A race was just won by weight. Weight CAN win races depending on situation!
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew pfft in stupid situations YES... IM TALKING ABOUT THIS VIDEO FOR EXAMPLE... for the civic to win from a dig in the 1/4 IT NEEDED SLICKS... DO YOU USE SLICKS when you drive it anywhere? i dont think so.. meaning YOU NEED ADDITIONAL THINGS BESIDES THE WEIGHT!
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Stupid situations? So you're basically calling what COULD be any situation stupid to try to support your argument? My friend's civic has ran 11.6. he drives it on the street with drag radials and has decent enough luck with them.
Every car is going to have its downsides, I never said these light cars don't have them. I never said YOU DONT NEED ADDITIONAL THINGS BESIDES WEIGHT.
Again, I have NO clue what you're trying to argue.You're basically reinforcing exactly what I've been saying
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew reinforcing in what way? the way that all you need is a fart can and remove everything inside and it will be fast?... right...
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Because I definitely said that exactly? ... right...
I feel you're just starting to grasp for anything now, you are telling me my argument all along is that you need a fart can and weight reduction to go fast. Please go and QUOTE me where I said that.
The point is, weight CAN win races, the civic in this video runs 13.5's which is pretty respectable for a 1.8L with no Power Adders (nitrous/turbo/supercharger since you confuse that term with fart cans and intake pipes apparantly)
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol just being humorous... its too bad if you felt offended.. btw this car does 13.5 with engine swap, many bolt ons and slicks.. IS350 in example does 13.3@105 if im not mistaking without a single thing done to it air cooled/heated seats many many more things, and its not a V8 if you think im a V8 hugger... yes, 4cyl is a cheap and veeeery easy way... but sacrifice many things in order for it to be almost as fast as most cars with bigger engines..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c How much are most IS350's though in good condition compared to a civic? I picked up my 95 hatch for a daily driver for only $800, it's clean enough I can see someone swapping it.. it's just my daily driver though with 238k and going strong on the d15. My car nor my friends car have the fart can noise either. Mainly due to being turbo'd - it's hard enough for a honda to get around the fart noise as its just the way they sound. As for my car, DSM's generally dont have the 'fart' sound
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew how dont care how much more does it cost, ask anyone what they prefer, you and i both know the answer, the extra money IS WORTH IT... anyways most 4 cyl with a 3 inch exhaust WILL sound like a fart can... btw the fart can thing was a fucking joke... get over it already and stop getting but hurt about it
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Because sarcasm comes across clearly on the internet. I don't know about you but I can build a civic or DSM just as cheaply if not cheaper than an LS1 in some situations. My friend's civic which ran 11.9 was built for under 2500. I'm not getting butt hurt, if anything it sounds like you're getting more defensive and butthurt
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew cheaper dont think so... butt hurt? lol of what? your fart can wet dream? please lol! im ok with what i have right now, i ran 12.7@114 with NO MODS air/cooled seats pure luxury and even better, i get 27-30.1mpg depending on how i drive thanks to the 2 stage intake the IS-F has.. and that run was before joe z intake/exhaust..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c looks like you're butt hurt idk waht you are even tryen to defend here. many cars are cheap to build. I have right around 10k in my camaro + the 9000 i bought it for. a lot of that came from my rear end 2500 and my trans 270
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@StreetSweeperZ28 you are talking to the wrong person, first i was correcting this fag on how power/weight ratio doesnt do magic and makes car super fast, it just makes accelerate faster at low speeds, after that its still slow, then he changed subject on how he can build a honda with less money and faster than ls1/lt1, then changed subject about his friends civic which no one cares about.. and in the process he got hurt because i said he is dumb for having a 3' exhaust on a sohc civic..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c So now you're throwing childish insults around calling me a fag and such? You're showing how mature you really are. You realize how good of top end DSM's have right? My friend's civic pulls well into the 150+ range and has before. I have and have helped work on many 10/11 second 4cyls and even have the vids to prove it ffs. 3" Exhaust on a SOHC civic with a Bullseye 57 Trim making 300+whp is dumb?
You led into the subject changes. You're wrong, now clean up that blood from your vagina
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew i didnt lead to any subject changes you dumbass, my main argument was how you THEORY of power/weight ratio magically wins races.. you came out of nowhere how you can build civic cheaper/faster.. look in my vids in the 9 second s2k, i worked on that f20c building it.. also i had built an rx7 i used to own my self and streetported it.. you dont know me, stop talking random shit on the internet.. "clean that blood from your vagina" lol im not the one who got serious w/ fart can comment
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c I said I can build a civic for cheap and be fast, I never said it'd be faster than that or this. You're the one still name calling like you're in gradeschool(maybe you still are?)
You put words in my mouth to give yourself other angles to attack me from to make yourself feel better. I believe everything you type I REALLY DO!! And sarcasm comes across in printed words? Hah don't bullshit me just because you realize you were wrong and now say you were sarcastic.
You need a thicker tampon
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew well im not the one whos getting all defensive and all offended lol! now swallow this cock and stop whining like a bitch... i dont even know your real name dumbass cant call you by your name either... "no it shouldn't... that civic weighs 2200-2300lbs from the factory, less if theres any weight reduction. That fbody weighs 3400-3700.." your saying it sholdnt pull the civic because its heavier, it did past 90mph everytime, thats why i replied to you...
Power to weight ratio, learn it
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c you are getting defense here. power to weight ratio is learned and I already schooled you on it. Haha sounds like I tripped a nerve with you, I never said the fbody SHOULDNT pull, I stated why the civic was faster in the 1/4 mile and is respectable for what it is. You got all butthurt.
Take the cock out of your mouth and stuff something in that vagina of yours to block the bloodflow, cause you just got tore up again hahahahaha
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Dani01c No duh the civic kept up with the LT1 it weighs a bunch less! Youre fuckin stupid if u dont think the civic will keep up yea eventually the v8 will have the top end but the civic still kept up because it weighs less.
no one cares if ur stock car will run 12s big fuckin deal ur just a fuckin idiot
AccusedM 1 year ago
@Dani01c AND to show you EVEN MORE how much of a retard you are.
The original post by someone :#
alright somebody is lying cause that lt1 in an auto makes at least 220 to the wheels and with full exhaust it should rape the 180fwhp of this civic
I told him power to weight ratio, learn it. A fucking 180whp 2200 tin can will beat a 3400lb 220whp boat
I didn't say it will beat it no matter the power.
Now shut the fuck up, and take that I350 dick out of your ass
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol "A fucking 180whp 2200 tin can will beat a 3400lb 220whp boat".. once again, all it did was accelerate faster from 20-90mph.. NOTHING ELSE.. DIG RUNS IT LOST, EVERYTIME PAST 90MPH IT GOT RAPED AND SHUT DOWN E V E R Y T I M E... get that cheap civic off your ass you stupid bum that couldnt even afford a $1000 car... your stupidity is pitiful
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c You realize he doesn't even have a civic? If you look at his vids he has a pretty damn fast DSM and it sounds like you're jealous. You are wrong, give up retard
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@StreetSweeperZ28 im sorry but HE SAID "i own a d15 civic running strong" with a fart can *cough* 3" exhaust..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c So your judging me by my daily driver?! ROFL HAHAHAHAHAA
Yep I'm dumb because I have a great running daily driver for $800. And my laser I have $6000 into including purchase price! HAHAHAHA
IT BEAT IT ON THE TRACK, 1320 or nothing WHO GIVES A FUCK.
The guy act like theres no way the civic should even be close so I corrected him.
Grow the fuck up, you're just mad cause you thought you'd be a smartass and comment back and now it's turned into a shitfest that I've humiliated you in. HAHA!
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Dani01c it obviously isnt his race car haha.
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@Dani01c Wow you also really need to learn to red. I said I have a daily driver civic. I never said IT had a 3" exhaust. My friend's civic does, it's an 11sec car. Jesus, how you can be so retarded and then try to bash others all while flaunting how big of a tool you are just makes me laugh!
I swear, you must of been the result of humans mating with vegetables to be such a dumbass.
Just quit commenting, no one here agrees with you obviously - you're just humiliating yourself over and over.
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew you've humiliated no one but your bum ass who doesnt own shit but a 800 dollar car and trying to act like vin diesel lol! youre trying to post your fast and the furious poster and StreetSeepetZ28 is too dumb to help you lol! and congrats for your friends car.. want a cookie? stop trying to be fast with other peoples shit you dumb fag.. the main subject is how power/weight ratio wins races youve never been able to explain how does a gtr beat a c6 z06.. thats cause you dont have the answer
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c yeah i'm actin like vin diesel, rofl i guess if that's what you want to call "knowing more than you".
My car is faster than my friend's car you dumb fuck, I'm just using his car as an example. My car weighs 3100lbs. You're just a fuckin retard who can't decipher anythign I say. I never said power/weight was everything, just said its why this civic even keeps up the way it does.
You've been humiliated again, aren't you tired of that cock in your mouth yet? HAHAHA
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol wow so humiliating, you are saying it keeps up and you can clearly see the t/a pull on him on every single pull all he does is get a jump in the time the tranny in the t/a downshifts.. you are too dumb to watch and analyze the video, not me.. sorry kid take your sorry ass $800 civic and your cock loving jokes some other place LOL
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY "KEEPING UP" = BEATING?! Jesus they should make you go through tests before allowing you access to the internet to keep retards like you who have no comprehension skills from making yourself look like an idiot. You're just the typical youtube commenter haha.
Sorry man but with all the bullshit you spew it's just too obvious you have a big dick in your ass and its making you grumpy haha. I'll wax any shit you got in my laser any day of the week, thanks though HAHAHAHA
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew lol what a moron, i never knew keeping up is getting BEAT! and im the retard, lol watch it over and over get pulled, keep drowning in denial.. sorry man but all the dick hugging jokes you made , its just too obvious that you are a fag, not to mention that you own a $800 fart can civic and think you are fast because your friend makes high 11s, yeah buddy, go suck his dick too HAHAHAA
Dani01c 1 year ago
See, you can't even READ HAHAHAHA. Don't try to call me a fag just cause you want my cock you fag hahaha. It beat the lt1 on the track, thats it. Game over, DONE. My civic has a STOCK exhaust. I have PLYMOUTH LASER THAT RUNS 11'S!! You're a fucking retard and can't read. You 'SAY' you've built this and that. Yeah, everyone on youtube has a million horsepower car or has built one.
You're just mad you're wrong. Stop trying to alter the definitions of phrases to help you. You're a TOOL HAHAHAHAHA
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Dani01c watch?v=S4jeT_iO338
There you go! MY car running 11.7@123mph spinning and granny shifting!!
You started off civil in this little debate that you were wrong from the beginning in, and now you're just exploding all over in desperation after being proved so wrong and humiliated so bad. Just quit while you're behind before you're so deep in the shit that you find your great great grandparents!
You've already proven one of your parents must of been a potato for you to be this retarded HAHA
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew watch?v=O0Dho0e1hOE
my track car, your point?? this shows how retarded YOU are and cant even remain in subject... due to your theory on power/weight ratio i cant still understand how does a lighter car lose to a heavier and less powerful one because (gtr vs z06) youve been avoiding it all along trying to show off that slow as ugly shit and your $800 daily driver lol!
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c You're a fuckin retard! his point was that he has a fast car when u were only sayin he has a civic. the civic in this vid was keeping up with the lt1 cause of weight u dumb fuck.
s2000s are gay as fuck, and im sure that aint even urs because youre way to fuckin retarded to have anything built unless you're a fag who throws money at shops to build shit for you.
no one besides you ever made the comment about power/weight being everything in the world from what i can see, just stfu
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@StreetSweeperZ28 the shop is mine lol, red star motoring..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c You were acting like all i got is my DD hahaha, you're just mad now. I'm perfectly in subject, nothings funnier than a retard trying to convince people he isn't retarded hahaha. Z06 beats the GTR in a straight line, what is your point? GTR wins on a road course, better suspension, handling, weight distribution, aerodynamics - you're grasping for anything now and just proving what I was saying from the beginning. I never SAID power/weight was everything you dumbfuck, FUCKIN LEARN TO READ
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew not in a 1/4 mile lol... Z06 IS faster anything after it thought... it traps lots of higher speeds and in roll races it will do the same thing as this lt1 does to the civic.. but still i thought power/weight ratio had a lot if influence in drag racing which is what matters to most people according to you.. and yes you said that, and giving the exaple of removing the seats on a camaro bla bla bla... keep changing subjects, whats next? my spelling? because this isnt an english test lol
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c a c6 z06 is faster in the 1/4 mile then the GTR... I don't know what you're talking about. Again as I said, I NEVER SAID POWER/WEIGHT RATIO WAS EVERYTHING which is how you keep basing your bullshit towards me on which is completely false. I haven't changed the subject, you're the one backpedalling and keep coming up with new things to try to pick at and grasp for something. My example made sense, why are you mad about that? I simply gave a situation where weight DID change the outcome
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew incorrect, GTR IS faster than Z06 in 1/4 mile man.. Z06 just trap lots of higher speeds, it pulls hard after 3rd but isnt enough to catch it at the end... im not even saying you said its actually everything lol.. i said everything based on the example you gave.. i bet if put the same car with bolt ons vs the same car without back seats spare tire and passenger seat, the bolt on will win.. the reason this civic was so close really was hp and the gearing which was awfull in the t/a
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c Yes because I gave you an example specifically where weight WOULD be the deciding factor since you were acting like it has hardly any impact at all on a race outcome.From what I've seen the GTR runs the 1/4 mile bone stock stock tires in11.6, Z06 best i've found 11.2 although I believe I saw an 11.0 around the time they first came out and people were setting records
It doesnt matter the gearing was bad in the T/A, mods are mods. if it doesnt have them tough luck, doesnt change anything
Bbdrew 1 year ago
@Bbdrew t/a had very long gears and it probably has not much more than 200whp which makes it close to what the civic has, and with those long gears it destroys its acceleration.. thats why some hondas are pretty good in acceleration like s2k, best mod for the money are gears(4.77), which make you go from 14.0-14.1 to 13.6-.7 just with that due to them being a lot shorter and thus accelerating more because it stays in its powerband hte whole time..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Dani01c How would anyone be dumb for having a 3" exhaust on a SOHC civic if it's turbo'd and built?
I read back and he never said power/weight ratio was the end all do all. You don't even know what you're talking about man. You said below you ran 12.7 in a stock car? Congrats you've ran high 12's in a stock car you've put no real time/effort into which really makes it meaningless.
Don't start insulting people/name calling just because you're desperate, accept the fact your wrong and move on
StreetSweeperZ28 1 year ago
@StreetSweeperZ28 i wasnt wrong at anything lol my argument was how this dumbass thinks power/weight ratio makes a civic super fast.. he never explained to me how does a GTR beat a Z06 in 1/4 and circuit track despite being 700lbs heavier and having 25hp less... he's just a biased honda fan because he owns one.. and i may not have but effort on my IS-F because i dont need to, ive buil a rx7 and a 9second 700whp s2k before..
Dani01c 1 year ago
@Bbdrew my brother has a buddy with a EG just like this one but champion white or what ever the ITR white color is called, it has a B18 in it runs 12.3@113 it IS A FAST CAR and doesnt have the typical fart can sound and its all motor, but its not stock in any way lol!
Dani01c 1 year ago