@stefbot Excellent!. I have been meaning to get into that for some time!. I started watching your pod casts, but I am on mobile internet, so I just couldn't afford to watch them all lol..
they run the same scam with their tax fraud. They get all these folks to cut this corner,put the decimal point there, and skip around their 8 foot stack of tax code rules when doing their returns. And so over half these folks live with this"i cheated" guilt thing feeling And so they quiver until the irs kicks the door in. Over half of all these folks are living in their own created fear of the fraud they let become life. And the irs loves you for it. Why not just never get involved? Works great
Well, there are several things. First of all, realize that the only true escape is through Christ Jesus. If you're an unbeliever and one who doesn't care, start from an anarchical stand point, and see what points of government you enjoy/believe to be essential. I pray you find peace :D
First, NEVER believe in mystical non-existent benevolent overlords like God or the State counter to what @meanhead1337 said.
Second, watch more Stefbot.
Third, realize that you're doing what you have to in order to survive. You wouldn't have expected the Jews, once within the concentration camps, to be able to change anything for their current situation, don't expect yourself to.
Raise your children without violence or coercion and spread that message.
All that economists and authors mentioned in this video were not geniuses only genius mentioned in this video was Karl Marx. State is only there to imply the rules of capitalists on the people. The capitalists finance the state and people working for the state to help them exploit the people. Only if people get democratic control over the capital there will be best possible freedom achieved.
At first if you don't succed try and try again as was once said to have been said. Someone once told me that capitism is successful because other systems failed, would have told them that failure is easy and often due to many factors but they were the type to listen, I would have pointed out that all systems out of ballance with the greater system will fail but that would be beyond their grasp. the productive class and parasitical class is an interesting way of putting it.
Stef it seems that the reason that nobody has been able to make even a dent in the growth of the state is simply due to the sheer size of the propaganda arm of the state. Even the US has spends massive amounts of money on propagandizing it's own citizens. There's even voluntary propaganda in this country. These mentailities are what prevents criticism from even being heard. In the world of video games we call people with this kind of closed mind a "fanboy".
Best video in a while Stef! (Not personally a fan of the interviews) I have been working in the political arena for the last couple of years and I have to say you are totally right. Even the most libertarian, anti-government types I have met are still card carrying socialist/parasites who demand hands off their social security or medicare. Self-deluding hypocrites. The only route I can see for myself starting a family is to go off grid and start from the ground up.
Lastly, you claim coercion (violence) via taxation is a premise that needs to be set aside so that the discussion may proceed 'objectively'. That's ridiculous. Reasoning requires the premise be present and true, or else it's all one big lie. The place where you live.
Of course, that allegorical bird you dream of each night is you (gov't employee), the crocodile (gov't force) and the unmentioned source of 'food' is the taxpaying antelope running for their lives (taxpayers).
@Rivenrock: that bird metaphor is very utopian, it must make you feel good at night before you lay down your leaden head. Whether something is beneficial to society or not should be determined by voluntary exchange and not a forced one. You may think you're some kind of public servant martyr but in reality your worth is completely unknown. It lacks a price mechanism, it involves involuntary exchange, and likely no competition.
You seem to see the poor and reliant as tapeworms. I see them more like those little birds that pick the teeth of crocodiles. They didn't catch the food they're eating, but most of them aren't lazy or useless either.
Out of curiosity, stefbot, do you think your ideals would withstand sudden and undeserved poverty?
A parasite only takes. I work for the govt, but the work I do has genuine benefit to society. Of course if you see all tax as violence then it becomes a moot point, but if you can set that aside for the sake of examining the rest with some objectivity, then reason would suggest there's a middle ground that you consistently ignore. Trouble is, it's where most people live.
If you work for the gov't you are a receiver of stolen money. If you get a check from the gov't (other than a refund) you are a receiver of stolen property. It doesn't matter what you do for it. You still take your share of the stolen loot.
Yes, I understand that you define it that way, but because I don't reject the authority of the law, I define it as _unlawfully_ taking someone's property without their permission. Tax is lawful. Now I get you want to change that, but right now it is also reality.
I'm starting to realise that I am never going to be able to have a real discussion here, because no-one will consider or discuss any aspect of govt and the govtless world they want is (IMO) largely unobtainable.
So you think if the govt was gone we'd have 100% control over our property? For how long? Freedom, inasmuch as it brings prosperity, can only do so if it continues. How will that happen?
How do we prevent powerful people from filling the void left by the state? Because they will.
It irks me that you're giving me that patronising 'oh so sad, you think you're free' pat on the head, while continuing to spout this utopian fantasy. It's a lovely THEORY of social justice. HOW is it obtainable?
That's what I'm saying. If we were to cut just 50% of the gov off and throw it away, we'd get so much $ back from not having to pay the people and the freeloaders who abuse those programs, it'd pay for any national debt prob within a year and then those gov leeches could get a job that actually contributed to the well-being of society. Yep, scorched earth but so what? sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.
Didn't mean to say that I think we should keep half. Just using half as a quick figure. I think some government is okay. But I also think ours is completely out of control. It is its own entity with a will to survive and it remains to be seen who will survive. The masses of poor and middle class citizens? Or the wealthy gov/biz/religious? I just watched 1984 last night. Makes you think.
The Founding Fathers thought "some gov" was okay, but they recognized they were playing with fire. They put safeguards in place that failed. If they could be consulted I don't doubt some would say: "I give up. Giving up any power is just too dangerous. That's the lesson here." I would agree. No gov can be controlled. We have to accept responsibility for our own protection. What's the worse that could happen? Gov has already proved itself to be the worse case.
And when you think of it, the entire U.S. is here only because a few people rebelled from Britain's government. It worked... for a very short time and the temptations to gouge the weak were too great and that's that.
I don't think radical change is a good thing. Is coming to a complete stop within .2 seconds a good thing if you're going 70mph? Stopping anything cold turkey is usually going to be a bad move. I never claimed anything about anarchy or how it could/should work. I just think the gov is way WAY out of control. I don't have the answers. If everyone was civil and similar, with their basic needs met, it might work fine with basically little gov and local gov.
@nomoreyou1212 Yeah...simple. And how about preventing others from creating a new state? Still simple? And it's not like others who like the simple life won't let them do it. Won't even have to wait till the roads are in disrepair. It'll be handed to the first person who can provide certainty of internet access. People don't value their freedom enough to embrace anarchy.
I beg to differ. I think there are countries where the government has little or no control where conditions are far worse than anything we are dealing with as a result of pervasive govt. Always someone waiting to fill the power void.
I work for a defense contractor. It's a pretty nice job. The way I see it, if you work for the government or receive a subsidy, you're just getting back a portion of your own stolen money.
If there were a magical button I could hit right now, that would eliminate the federal government completely, but would also cause me to lose my job- heck yeah, I'd hit it.
you make weapons and things for government? Isn't it hard to reconcile that with an anti-government position? I don't mean that you're wrong, necessarily, but rather, doesn't it trouble you?
By working for a government contractor, I am, by proxy, receiving money from an organization that steals. Of course, I would rather there not be any theft in the first place.
If I didn't take the job, someone else would. Rhetorical question: Would you rather that money go to a government-loving, jingoist sheep or a principled voluntaryist libertarian? I am serious about reducing the state, and am saving money for when I move for the Free State Project.
"If I didn't take the job, someone else would" is not a good argument.
It's like saying "If I didn't drop the atomic bomb on Heroshima, killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children, someone else would have.
If you are in fact a "principled voluntaryist libertarian" you will make haste for NH and strive to make a moral and honest living. However, don't fret, at least you are sensitive to the error of your ways. We all make errors. Correcting them will help set you free.
So appealing to principles isn't going to convince them, and that's supposedly based o empiricism. Seems to me the work you do is based on an appeal to principles.
I agree people don't live in government. They live in their family and friends. People that work in government don't live in government, they too live in their family and friends.
The Libertarian party has the 2nd strongest platform. Unfortunately they don't champion its by far, major strength, non-initiation of force principle.
Sorry to see stefbot's videos getting ever more emotional. Sure that there is a good reason to it, but he bores me a little when he repeats sentences while shaking his head.
Anyway, this claim seems a bit odd to me: the "ruling class people" in California are insanely smart because they contracted many employees and now cannot pay their pensions. Maybe I have misunderstood the empirical evidence of their great intellect.
If anyone have leaved in Communism or is a good observer of life can realize that anarchy will not work due to natural deeply embedded egoism in our veins. I prefer stupid politicians, struggle on other issues but definitely I would not like to fight on daily basis with brainless people who has got bigger muscles. There are many solutions but talking how bad it is and how bad will be, or how much gold people should buy is not the right path it is another way of expressing self egoizm.
Gonna have us a grand collapse of empire pretty soon I think. Between peak oil, climate catastrophe and the depredations of the cancerous state, I see dark times in the immediate future. Treat your children well people.
Rather than shifting the roles, why don't you look up the actions that do work for anarcho-capitalism, take your own responsabilities and look up that which disproves your own philosophy.. Google isn't that hard to use.
Strawman. No one said that the USA was a Utopia. In fact, Thomas Jefferson said that the American people will always have to be vigilant against tyranny.
isn't your statement that all people on welfare are just parasites living on blood money vs. people who make money through volunary exchange oversimplified?
There are single mothers who have to travel 2 hours to work and back each day to work a job on minimum wage they have no leisure time and have to keep a household
Is her labour voluntarily exchanged? the only reason she is paid so little is because there aren't other options available, the company can afford to pay her more but don't
Great video stefbot ! i have heard comments which say that a minimalistic government will work because uncorrupted people will be in charge of the government however,i am skeptical of this position because of human error and the added temptation of money and/or power,
Saying appeals to principles won't work sort of means you're barking up the wrong tree in your appeals to principles in your works.
I agree individuals don't live in government. We live in our families neighbors and friends. That's also true for government employees.
Libertarians have the 2nd strongest political platform -- non aggression principle -- yet they don't put it way out front and say that it's the highest law and if wrong, everyone should violate it and civilization will flourish.
stefbot now you are pessimistic about your own medicine.
State can be crushed through state.. libertarian is going to work if you have some real uncorrupted people in there. not using state money for their political movement instead giving it back to the workers through reverse tax and receiving only donations for their efforts. Peeling off a layer of the state bit by bit.
You cant have freedome from state within a day you will get a complete mess. people owe too much like pensions,savings
@professorbravo if you use all your energy to produce health for your body, truth for your mind and consciouness from your soul then you are a producer.
Being a producer is a state of mind, and once that state is at focused attention then you are practising it, as soon as you become inattentive to it and depressed unfocused and once again fall back into the state of parasite, truth is we are all moving between these states on many levels. Best thing is to be always attentive,conscious and alert!
Everyone I've ever talked to about anarchism just rejects me out of hand. I try to ease them into it, and not come on too hard, but I can tell I am immediately dismissed.
You're right steph, the state has done a damn good job to protect itself by dishing out all kinds of lucrative paying jobs. People can't even grasp the idea of a better world, because the "roads" and "libraries" will disappear. oh noes!
w/e I'm so glad the truth won't fade away like a fad. I'm in it for life.
The burden of proof is on you, buddy. To get people to vote for a party that cuts taxes & regulation is a clear possibility. Then the government can be slowly destroyed. You need to show exactly how a government can be destroyed without the people voting for it.
His arguments are weak. First he says that because everyone before us has failed we will too. That's simply invalid. We may succeed, we may fail.
His second argument says people are immoral. I say if that's true we're all screwed anyway. I believe people can be convinced to vote for politicians who will dismantle the government.
At some point he makes the mistake of implying welfare recipients are somehow doing something wrong. They're not.
Tinosnit, that's not at all what he said, you don't need to use strawman arguments here. He claims that for two centuries political action has failed and government ended up bigger; so let's not waste our time there. He claims people have been corrupt by this system, any you cut it anytime i debate with people about anarchy they remain unbudgeable when it comes to their benefits, this is merely fact. Welfare recipients are addicts, i should know, i used to be one until i heard about anarchy.
(cont) As a young person i was easilly convertable to anarchy as it has dramatically risen my self esteem, however my balance sheet was in order, enough not to be corrupted by welfare. I can't say as much for people around me though i am trying desperately to raise their own self esteem. This is how you're going to get a change, by helping others; not by forcing others with laws. You have to set yourself as a role model, independant from the state, yet happy and very helpful to your community.
(cont2) Anarchy is a sobering message amongst all the madness, it however requires a lengthy detoxification process possibly causing depression and confusion for a couple months; it is very hard to imagine very corrupt people going into withdrawal compared to mine.However the outcome was totally and completely worth it, i am morally and physically in the best shape of my life, i am driven by passion and love for others as well as sympathy. Political action has the opposite effect.
I wasn't using any straw-men. If we can't convince people to stop taxing others for their benefits, then we're doomed.
You need to think about exactly what you mean by "anarchy". I envision a government which privatises everything it owns. The only way anarchy will be achieved is through political action. In the USA that means supporting libertarian Republican candidates.
Anarchy is the inexistence of power (which inherently means violence) based institutions. A society that thrives on voluntary action. Which is in direct conflict with political action and is as rewarding as hitting your head with a frying pan.
Oh and by the way, they only "protect" you because you obey them. In other words, they don't have to beat you into submission, and you cannot choose how to defend yourself; not even with your own body, therefore it's not voluntary, nor protection.
The government does not protect me because I obey them. They protect me out of altruism. Your argument as to why it's not protection is illogical.
Power does not mean violence. Your view of anarchy is silly. There must be violence based institutions (eg police).
Anarchy will only be achieved through privatising everything governments own. And this can only be done through political action. Honestly, any other approach is just stupid.
That's already contradictory. If one protects you out of altruism, it can't extort money from you. If i steal from you, then protect you, how the hell is that altruism?
The current police system IS based on violence, comply or end up in a cage, or die. Which if private is not a smart business model. Violence never equates virtue.
The government never privatised without overregulating in a way that it is still an extension of the government, that approach is silly as it is still communised.
Typical slavespeak. It doesn't matter that you don't pay for it, it's still obtained by extortion. In this case, if i steal from A and give to B what was stolen from A, that's not altruism, that's theft and money laundering.
A private police is not based on violence, it's a service. If i want to protect myself from lunatics it's self defense, if i want to protect my stuff from lunatics, it still boils down to self defense. Again, violence is not a smart business model.
"Any private police would also be based on violence. It's an inherently violent kind of organisation."
I think the private police can operate in a system based solely on non-initiatory violence, which I have no problem with. if someone shoots, you can shoot back, but that's it.
The government does not exist to transfer money. It exists to protect people's rights. It's just not very good at it. Membership in the organisations you mention is voluntary.
How can an organization be for "the protection of rights" when it ONLY exists through violating rights?
If it were voluntary, then yes, you could call it a rights protection organization. But the state exists BECAUSE it denies your right to body and property through taxation.
Rights aren't granted by governments. Rights are the logical outcome of moral consistency.
I think you should look up the term "democide", the Austrian business cycle and the effects of public healthcare. There's a trend there which contradicts your claim.
In the best case, states do protect their victims to an extent. E.g. a king will generally care for the productive capacity of his subjects, in the same way as a farmer protects his herd.
In the case of a republic, you don't even get that. It's just an ever-escalating gorge upon the trough of public spending.
The ideology follows the taking of power is very disputable. In 1917 Lenin had already ideology in place with masses identifying with it. At least enough people to be able to seize the power. Even in Europe
today - u have f.i. socialist parties - If people vote 4 it they know what they'll get. People are delusional. They want to believe in gods, in rights, ideals. "we're all born equal". Maybe we should make a law to put flu virus in jail 4 killing us. Or make cancer illegal. I'll vote 4 that!
The point you made at 10:00 was brilliant. Ideology follows the taking of power, which of course accounts for why socialism, fascism etc are all identical.
To put it simply, humans behave exactly like any other biological life form on this planet. If more favorable conditions where one can thrive appear- it chooses it by instinct. The fact that a man can rationally understand parasitical nature of his actions changes nothing. This is determined by an evolution. The predators always choose an easy prey. Our society basically consists of prey, predators and scavengers. The politics' task is to create sufficient numbers of prey so the game can go on.
Stefbot, I have heard many of your ideas to help change this world but could you write out a plan with details? I have ideas for some type of government at city level but no higher which would mainly be to set laws of preference. I like your DRO ideas, it would be wonderful if you could develop some reports on the idea.
Empiricism is Occam's Razor for moral truths. Anything too complex and long winded comes across as opinionated, rather than a rational defense of principles. Always bring up the unmentioned gun in the room.
I do not agree with this example. The guy who ones lottery never abuses anyone and never promise something to anyone. On the contrary politicians promise too many things to the commons. I can not see any resemblance between those two unless Stef gonna revel the whole life of the lucky winner.
Stef, I totally agree. I'm starting to think that we need to learn the statists methods for smearing, discrediting and otherwise keeping the freedom movement in the dark. Then turn it against them.
Edward Bernays was right, people are mostly irrational, emotionally driven creatures. We need to simply accept that fact and develop a new PR campaign with that in mind.
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The goal of people who like to talk so much, especially about philosophy, is giving philosophical half hour speeches like politicians. So if anybody is waiting for some constructive solution is waisting there time. On this channel you might hear only how bad things are maybe in more elaborate way.
As a person interested in avoiding paying the state, one of the ways to go is to become a tax-feeder, and spread liberty and bill the govt for your time and money. As Dr. Hans Hermann Hoppe has suggested, one of the ways of resisting the state is "plain slacking off".
Oh, just that he defended his actions in a podcast if I remember correctly. He said it was okay, because somebody was going to get the job, so it might as well be him. I'm happy to be corrected on this, but seemed a bit contradictory after hearing this video.
This is what he says that he, or anyone, CAN'T do. He can;t just think of it, this is one of the flaws of statism. There can be no plan, because the collective will respond to the circumstance and the laws etc that develop will be a consequence of those.
Sorry to be a real ass hat...but can someone please send me a link to said other solutions pod casts, vids what ever??
It ain't like I disagree, I just want the juice mate!!.
TheDemocracyDelusion 1 year ago
@TheDemocracyDelusion no problem, you might want to check out my free books, available on my website – and happy new year my friend! :)
stefbot 1 year ago
@stefbot Excellent!. I have been meaning to get into that for some time!. I started watching your pod casts, but I am on mobile internet, so I just couldn't afford to watch them all lol..
Thanks and happy new year!.
TheDemocracyDelusion 1 year ago
They failed because they didn't have as much access to the mainstream...no internet...and anyway...they don't fail unless we give up the cause!!!
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DeborahHelmut 1 year ago
they run the same scam with their tax fraud. They get all these folks to cut this corner,put the decimal point there, and skip around their 8 foot stack of tax code rules when doing their returns. And so over half these folks live with this"i cheated" guilt thing feeling And so they quiver until the irs kicks the door in. Over half of all these folks are living in their own created fear of the fraud they let become life. And the irs loves you for it. Why not just never get involved? Works great
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
Let's say I am addicted to the government's drug. What do I do now that I realize the folly of my ways?
melissacarl2002 1 year ago
@melissacarl2002 seriously.
melissacarl2002 1 year ago
@melissacarl2002 buy a large gun and plenty of ammo
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@melissacarl2002
Well, there are several things. First of all, realize that the only true escape is through Christ Jesus. If you're an unbeliever and one who doesn't care, start from an anarchical stand point, and see what points of government you enjoy/believe to be essential. I pray you find peace :D
meanhead1337 1 year ago
@melissacarl2002
First, NEVER believe in mystical non-existent benevolent overlords like God or the State counter to what @meanhead1337 said.
Second, watch more Stefbot.
Third, realize that you're doing what you have to in order to survive. You wouldn't have expected the Jews, once within the concentration camps, to be able to change anything for their current situation, don't expect yourself to.
Raise your children without violence or coercion and spread that message.
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Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
"the sacchrine teat of the state.." lol. love stefbot's metaphors! :)
ORIGINALUSRNM 1 year ago
@ORIGINALUSRNM Actually that IS a great metaphor. :)
rivenrock 1 year ago
Very deep, I agree with a lot of that. In fact, the only parts I disagree with are parts that I lack education on.
laserbeak43 1 year ago
All that economists and authors mentioned in this video were not geniuses only genius mentioned in this video was Karl Marx. State is only there to imply the rules of capitalists on the people. The capitalists finance the state and people working for the state to help them exploit the people. Only if people get democratic control over the capital there will be best possible freedom achieved.
gamozak 1 year ago
At first if you don't succed try and try again as was once said to have been said. Someone once told me that capitism is successful because other systems failed, would have told them that failure is easy and often due to many factors but they were the type to listen, I would have pointed out that all systems out of ballance with the greater system will fail but that would be beyond their grasp. the productive class and parasitical class is an interesting way of putting it.
BrutusCass 1 year ago
Stef it seems that the reason that nobody has been able to make even a dent in the growth of the state is simply due to the sheer size of the propaganda arm of the state. Even the US has spends massive amounts of money on propagandizing it's own citizens. There's even voluntary propaganda in this country. These mentailities are what prevents criticism from even being heard. In the world of video games we call people with this kind of closed mind a "fanboy".
sedatedlife18 1 year ago
Best video in a while Stef! (Not personally a fan of the interviews) I have been working in the political arena for the last couple of years and I have to say you are totally right. Even the most libertarian, anti-government types I have met are still card carrying socialist/parasites who demand hands off their social security or medicare. Self-deluding hypocrites. The only route I can see for myself starting a family is to go off grid and start from the ground up.
Soundmind78 1 year ago
Lastly, you claim coercion (violence) via taxation is a premise that needs to be set aside so that the discussion may proceed 'objectively'. That's ridiculous. Reasoning requires the premise be present and true, or else it's all one big lie. The place where you live.
bobby4lee 1 year ago
@Riven Rock-head:
Of course, that allegorical bird you dream of each night is you (gov't employee), the crocodile (gov't force) and the unmentioned source of 'food' is the taxpaying antelope running for their lives (taxpayers).
bobby4lee 1 year ago
Totally agree with you Stefbot.
@Rivenrock: that bird metaphor is very utopian, it must make you feel good at night before you lay down your leaden head. Whether something is beneficial to society or not should be determined by voluntary exchange and not a forced one. You may think you're some kind of public servant martyr but in reality your worth is completely unknown. It lacks a price mechanism, it involves involuntary exchange, and likely no competition.
bobby4lee 1 year ago
You seem to see the poor and reliant as tapeworms. I see them more like those little birds that pick the teeth of crocodiles. They didn't catch the food they're eating, but most of them aren't lazy or useless either.
Out of curiosity, stefbot, do you think your ideals would withstand sudden and undeserved poverty?
rivenrock 1 year ago
A parasite only takes. I work for the govt, but the work I do has genuine benefit to society. Of course if you see all tax as violence then it becomes a moot point, but if you can set that aside for the sake of examining the rest with some objectivity, then reason would suggest there's a middle ground that you consistently ignore. Trouble is, it's where most people live.
rivenrock 1 year ago
If you work for the gov't you are a receiver of stolen money. If you get a check from the gov't (other than a refund) you are a receiver of stolen property. It doesn't matter what you do for it. You still take your share of the stolen loot.
tesla921 1 year ago
Only from a Libertarian perspective. And you're entitled to your opinion. But it IS an opinion.
rivenrock 1 year ago
Well, I don't know how you define stealing, but I define it as taking someones property without their permission. That is REALITY, not opinion.
tesla921 1 year ago
Yes, I understand that you define it that way, but because I don't reject the authority of the law, I define it as _unlawfully_ taking someone's property without their permission. Tax is lawful. Now I get you want to change that, but right now it is also reality.
I'm starting to realise that I am never going to be able to have a real discussion here, because no-one will consider or discuss any aspect of govt and the govtless world they want is (IMO) largely unobtainable.
rivenrock 1 year ago
You obviously don't realize it but you are completely state indoctrinated.
Legal or illegal is nothing more than someones opinion backed up by a gun.
Freedom, defined as having 100% control of your own property, will make the world prosperous.
Govt., or the state, uses force to make a slave out of you.
The really sad part is when slaves think they are free.
Don't give up. Freedom is obtainable!
tesla921 1 year ago
So you think if the govt was gone we'd have 100% control over our property? For how long? Freedom, inasmuch as it brings prosperity, can only do so if it continues. How will that happen?
How do we prevent powerful people from filling the void left by the state? Because they will.
It irks me that you're giving me that patronising 'oh so sad, you think you're free' pat on the head, while continuing to spout this utopian fantasy. It's a lovely THEORY of social justice. HOW is it obtainable?
rivenrock 1 year ago
That's what I'm saying. If we were to cut just 50% of the gov off and throw it away, we'd get so much $ back from not having to pay the people and the freeloaders who abuse those programs, it'd pay for any national debt prob within a year and then those gov leeches could get a job that actually contributed to the well-being of society. Yep, scorched earth but so what? sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.
TruthSurge 1 year ago
@TruthSurge Cutting 99.9% of gov is surrender. What must be cut is the idea that any amount of force is necessary. Think in principles.
1voluntaryist 1 year ago
Didn't mean to say that I think we should keep half. Just using half as a quick figure. I think some government is okay. But I also think ours is completely out of control. It is its own entity with a will to survive and it remains to be seen who will survive. The masses of poor and middle class citizens? Or the wealthy gov/biz/religious? I just watched 1984 last night. Makes you think.
TruthSurge 1 year ago
The Founding Fathers thought "some gov" was okay, but they recognized they were playing with fire. They put safeguards in place that failed. If they could be consulted I don't doubt some would say: "I give up. Giving up any power is just too dangerous. That's the lesson here." I would agree. No gov can be controlled. We have to accept responsibility for our own protection. What's the worse that could happen? Gov has already proved itself to be the worse case.
1voluntaryist 1 year ago
And when you think of it, the entire U.S. is here only because a few people rebelled from Britain's government. It worked... for a very short time and the temptations to gouge the weak were too great and that's that.
TruthSurge 1 year ago
And ever will be. That's what no-one here will try to answer. Once you have anarchy, how do you keep it?
rivenrock 1 year ago
I don't think radical change is a good thing. Is coming to a complete stop within .2 seconds a good thing if you're going 70mph? Stopping anything cold turkey is usually going to be a bad move. I never claimed anything about anarchy or how it could/should work. I just think the gov is way WAY out of control. I don't have the answers. If everyone was civil and similar, with their basic needs met, it might work fine with basically little gov and local gov.
TruthSurge 1 year ago
simple, dont create a new state.
nomoreyou1212 1 year ago
@nomoreyou1212 Yeah...simple. And how about preventing others from creating a new state? Still simple? And it's not like others who like the simple life won't let them do it. Won't even have to wait till the roads are in disrepair. It'll be handed to the first person who can provide certainty of internet access. People don't value their freedom enough to embrace anarchy.
rivenrock 1 year ago
I beg to differ. I think there are countries where the government has little or no control where conditions are far worse than anything we are dealing with as a result of pervasive govt. Always someone waiting to fill the power void.
rivenrock 1 year ago
Great video. Certainly got me thinking
61shirley 1 year ago
I work for a defense contractor. It's a pretty nice job. The way I see it, if you work for the government or receive a subsidy, you're just getting back a portion of your own stolen money.
If there were a magical button I could hit right now, that would eliminate the federal government completely, but would also cause me to lose my job- heck yeah, I'd hit it.
ninetales1234 1 year ago
you make weapons and things for government? Isn't it hard to reconcile that with an anti-government position? I don't mean that you're wrong, necessarily, but rather, doesn't it trouble you?
davyjames 1 year ago
Yes, I think about it every day.
I'm doing what I can to oppose the state right now, and I intend to intensify my efforts later when I get a "real" job.
ninetales1234 1 year ago
You are also receiving a portion of everyone else's stolen money.
It makes you a receiver of stolen property.
tesla921 1 year ago
Good observation.
By working for a government contractor, I am, by proxy, receiving money from an organization that steals. Of course, I would rather there not be any theft in the first place.
If I didn't take the job, someone else would. Rhetorical question: Would you rather that money go to a government-loving, jingoist sheep or a principled voluntaryist libertarian? I am serious about reducing the state, and am saving money for when I move for the Free State Project.
:)
ninetales1234 1 year ago
"If I didn't take the job, someone else would" is not a good argument.
It's like saying "If I didn't drop the atomic bomb on Heroshima, killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children, someone else would have.
If you are in fact a "principled voluntaryist libertarian" you will make haste for NH and strive to make a moral and honest living. However, don't fret, at least you are sensitive to the error of your ways. We all make errors. Correcting them will help set you free.
tesla921 1 year ago
The "anarchy" movement is a political movement, and appeals to the principles of the people in the same way as any other political system.
KevinSolway 1 year ago
@KevinSolway It is actually anti-political...
snipa4lyfe 1 year ago
Anarchy simply means "without a ruler".
An anarchist prefers the freedom to rule himself.
Societal freedom is defined as having 100% control of your own property.
tesla921 1 year ago
So appealing to principles isn't going to convince them, and that's supposedly based o empiricism. Seems to me the work you do is based on an appeal to principles.
I agree people don't live in government. They live in their family and friends. People that work in government don't live in government, they too live in their family and friends.
The Libertarian party has the 2nd strongest platform. Unfortunately they don't champion its by far, major strength, non-initiation of force principle.
zonsb 1 year ago
g-ddamn tit suckers... good point though
msiterE 1 year ago
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Sorry to see stefbot's videos getting ever more emotional. Sure that there is a good reason to it, but he bores me a little when he repeats sentences while shaking his head.
Anyway, this claim seems a bit odd to me: the "ruling class people" in California are insanely smart because they contracted many employees and now cannot pay their pensions. Maybe I have misunderstood the empirical evidence of their great intellect.
CosmicBoss2 1 year ago
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CosmicBoss2 1 year ago
You're all insane if you think you can achieve anarchy without political action.
tinosnit 1 year ago
Political action is a sure-fire way to not achieve anarchy.
Enhorn 1 year ago
insane hmm?
Please explain why...
esalian9 1 year ago
Okay, so then let's de-statize the post office! Yeah, surely none of those workers are going to abandon their monopoly privilieges!
DaveDoggOwns 1 year ago
If anyone have leaved in Communism or is a good observer of life can realize that anarchy will not work due to natural deeply embedded egoism in our veins. I prefer stupid politicians, struggle on other issues but definitely I would not like to fight on daily basis with brainless people who has got bigger muscles. There are many solutions but talking how bad it is and how bad will be, or how much gold people should buy is not the right path it is another way of expressing self egoizm.
misiobear77 1 year ago
You have to fight with people regardless. It's just that with anarchy, they don't have guns and you can throw them out of your life.
esalian9 1 year ago
Gonna have us a grand collapse of empire pretty soon I think. Between peak oil, climate catastrophe and the depredations of the cancerous state, I see dark times in the immediate future. Treat your children well people.
thevanities11 1 year ago
vote for Peter Schiff's debate performance last night on courant (dot) com!!
cankorgbr 1 year ago
Now tell us about these non political actions that do work, Stef
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
Rather than shifting the roles, why don't you look up the actions that do work for anarcho-capitalism, take your own responsabilities and look up that which disproves your own philosophy.. Google isn't that hard to use.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
I got one, how about not letting the state indoctrinate your child? That's better than a vote any day.
thevanities11 1 year ago 2
Strawman. No one said that the USA was a Utopia. In fact, Thomas Jefferson said that the American people will always have to be vigilant against tyranny.
nurbSoldier 1 year ago
isn't your statement that all people on welfare are just parasites living on blood money vs. people who make money through volunary exchange oversimplified?
There are single mothers who have to travel 2 hours to work and back each day to work a job on minimum wage they have no leisure time and have to keep a household
Is her labour voluntarily exchanged? the only reason she is paid so little is because there aren't other options available, the company can afford to pay her more but don't
RevolutionaryJam 1 year ago
I think some forms of political action do work
Sure the protests didn't stop the war in Iraq
but if no one had protested we would have been in Iran by now
the statists would be like "no one cares, we can do waht we like"
RevolutionaryJam 1 year ago
I'd rather face the force of government than give the illusion of consent!
DaveDoggOwns 1 year ago
These crazy increases in entitlements only further encourages major inflation to hit the USD . . .
2000%+ Increase in CA alone!? that's crazy!!!
mmagar5754 1 year ago
Great video stefbot ! i have heard comments which say that a minimalistic government will work because uncorrupted people will be in charge of the government however,i am skeptical of this position because of human error and the added temptation of money and/or power,
leonski35 1 year ago
Great work.
Will I see the addicted hit rock bottom?
Shacktuube 1 year ago
true
MaikUniversum 1 year ago
Saying appeals to principles won't work sort of means you're barking up the wrong tree in your appeals to principles in your works.
I agree individuals don't live in government. We live in our families neighbors and friends. That's also true for government employees.
Libertarians have the 2nd strongest political platform -- non aggression principle -- yet they don't put it way out front and say that it's the highest law and if wrong, everyone should violate it and civilization will flourish.
zonsb 1 year ago
brilliant :)
MaikUniversum 1 year ago
stefbot now you are pessimistic about your own medicine.
State can be crushed through state.. libertarian is going to work if you have some real uncorrupted people in there. not using state money for their political movement instead giving it back to the workers through reverse tax and receiving only donations for their efforts. Peeling off a layer of the state bit by bit.
You cant have freedome from state within a day you will get a complete mess. people owe too much like pensions,savings
razoorsharp 1 year ago
@razoorsharp there is no such thing as an uncorrupted person in a political office. The office itself corrupts them.
masonkiller666 1 year ago 2
wait what am I addicted to?
I agree 100% that we have to present empirical evidence, but without the theories what would we be proving?
natdavi 1 year ago
theories comes after proving something.
MaikUniversum 1 year ago
Walter Block, Fuck Yeah!
tpsisokayiguess 1 year ago 4
@professorbravo if you use all your energy to produce health for your body, truth for your mind and consciouness from your soul then you are a producer.
Being a producer is a state of mind, and once that state is at focused attention then you are practising it, as soon as you become inattentive to it and depressed unfocused and once again fall back into the state of parasite, truth is we are all moving between these states on many levels. Best thing is to be always attentive,conscious and alert!
HealthyAnarchy 1 year ago 2
Stefbot you have lose some weight some you first started.Also, your arguments are getting better too.Keep it up.
NWOSupporter2012 1 year ago
Here is what you do if you use government to fix government
Corruption (+/-) Corruption = still equals corruption.
NWOSupporter2012 1 year ago 2
Only been watching your channel for a month but I'm loving every minute of it. Canuck from Sask.
overlordsshadow 1 year ago 2
There you go with that darned logic again stefbot :)
creamrising 1 year ago 2
Outstanding analogy, so true - so sad. Time, debasement, time, more debasement - eventual systemic collapse/re-organization. Bravo - excellent vlog.
derrobb 1 year ago 5
people think its bad now. think about when the massive population of baby boomers start cashing in their oversized pensions in a few years from now.
samsonality 1 year ago
yes it will be glorious
gosmokesome 1 year ago
Remember: Cthulu will come and eat your brains.
LeksServices 1 year ago
So do we just sit on our asses and our brains and body atrophy while the state takes away more freedoms and rapes and enslaves us further?
45a14 1 year ago
@ 45a14
That is a false dichotomy. :-)
You can be non-political and make huge waves in the society of your life, and the society of one's self.
threebobs 1 year ago 2
No.
ForOrAgainstUs 1 year ago
Good advice. DO NOT VOTE. Don't participate in the system... but do protest, show only your dissatisfaction. Peacefully.
Anonymous247n 1 year ago
You are one of my heroes... lol
l1xx3r 1 year ago
Everyone I've ever talked to about anarchism just rejects me out of hand. I try to ease them into it, and not come on too hard, but I can tell I am immediately dismissed.
You're right steph, the state has done a damn good job to protect itself by dishing out all kinds of lucrative paying jobs. People can't even grasp the idea of a better world, because the "roads" and "libraries" will disappear. oh noes!
w/e I'm so glad the truth won't fade away like a fad. I'm in it for life.
AndyMH182 1 year ago 3
You may not be smarter. At the same time it only takes one thought to begin a revolution.
goanyways 1 year ago
Great video stef. That stare at the end was a little scary LOL
prodigy00073 1 year ago
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Stef is wrong here. Political action is the only way forward. You can convince people to stop stealing money through taxation.
There is no alternative to the ballot.
tinosnit 1 year ago
I'd like to hear your reasoning behind such a statement.
prodigy00073 1 year ago
The burden of proof is on you, buddy. To get people to vote for a party that cuts taxes & regulation is a clear possibility. Then the government can be slowly destroyed. You need to show exactly how a government can be destroyed without the people voting for it.
tinosnit 1 year ago
He brings up some alternatives in his podcasts and there pretty interesting. Maybe not perfect but a good start.
In this video he pretty much outlines a massive argument against using politics to take down the government.
Did you have any responses to what he said?
prodigy00073 1 year ago
@prodigy
His arguments are weak. First he says that because everyone before us has failed we will too. That's simply invalid. We may succeed, we may fail.
His second argument says people are immoral. I say if that's true we're all screwed anyway. I believe people can be convinced to vote for politicians who will dismantle the government.
At some point he makes the mistake of implying welfare recipients are somehow doing something wrong. They're not.
tinosnit 1 year ago
Tinosnit, that's not at all what he said, you don't need to use strawman arguments here. He claims that for two centuries political action has failed and government ended up bigger; so let's not waste our time there. He claims people have been corrupt by this system, any you cut it anytime i debate with people about anarchy they remain unbudgeable when it comes to their benefits, this is merely fact. Welfare recipients are addicts, i should know, i used to be one until i heard about anarchy.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
(cont) As a young person i was easilly convertable to anarchy as it has dramatically risen my self esteem, however my balance sheet was in order, enough not to be corrupted by welfare. I can't say as much for people around me though i am trying desperately to raise their own self esteem. This is how you're going to get a change, by helping others; not by forcing others with laws. You have to set yourself as a role model, independant from the state, yet happy and very helpful to your community.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
(cont2) Anarchy is a sobering message amongst all the madness, it however requires a lengthy detoxification process possibly causing depression and confusion for a couple months; it is very hard to imagine very corrupt people going into withdrawal compared to mine.However the outcome was totally and completely worth it, i am morally and physically in the best shape of my life, i am driven by passion and love for others as well as sympathy. Political action has the opposite effect.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@Doom
I wasn't using any straw-men. If we can't convince people to stop taxing others for their benefits, then we're doomed.
You need to think about exactly what you mean by "anarchy". I envision a government which privatises everything it owns. The only way anarchy will be achieved is through political action. In the USA that means supporting libertarian Republican candidates.
@Panza
I assure you the Australian governments have been protecting me, and all I owe them is my student loan.
tinosnit 1 year ago
Anarchy is the inexistence of power (which inherently means violence) based institutions. A society that thrives on voluntary action. Which is in direct conflict with political action and is as rewarding as hitting your head with a frying pan.
Oh and by the way, they only "protect" you because you obey them. In other words, they don't have to beat you into submission, and you cannot choose how to defend yourself; not even with your own body, therefore it's not voluntary, nor protection.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@Doom
The government does not protect me because I obey them. They protect me out of altruism. Your argument as to why it's not protection is illogical.
Power does not mean violence. Your view of anarchy is silly. There must be violence based institutions (eg police).
Anarchy will only be achieved through privatising everything governments own. And this can only be done through political action. Honestly, any other approach is just stupid.
tinosnit 1 year ago
That's already contradictory. If one protects you out of altruism, it can't extort money from you. If i steal from you, then protect you, how the hell is that altruism?
The current police system IS based on violence, comply or end up in a cage, or die. Which if private is not a smart business model. Violence never equates virtue.
The government never privatised without overregulating in a way that it is still an extension of the government, that approach is silly as it is still communised.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@Doom
The government has protected me. I haven't paid any significant amount of tax yet. This is born out of altruism on the part of the voters.
Any private police would also be based on violence. It's an inherently violent kind of organisation.
There have been many successful privatisations. We just need to do ensure it's done properly.
You need to seriously think about how we're actually going to go on TV and explain to people why & and how we will adopt anarchism.
tinosnit 1 year ago
Typical slavespeak. It doesn't matter that you don't pay for it, it's still obtained by extortion. In this case, if i steal from A and give to B what was stolen from A, that's not altruism, that's theft and money laundering.
A private police is not based on violence, it's a service. If i want to protect myself from lunatics it's self defense, if i want to protect my stuff from lunatics, it still boils down to self defense. Again, violence is not a smart business model.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
(cont) Give me one good example of a fruitful privatisation. Or point me to even a trend of that ever happening
It's already talked about on TV in New Hampshire, it's called free minds TV.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
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"Any private police would also be based on violence. It's an inherently violent kind of organisation."
I think the private police can operate in a system based solely on non-initiatory violence, which I have no problem with. if someone shoots, you can shoot back, but that's it.
esalian9 1 year ago
@ tinosnit
Do you believe that an organization that exists TO tranfer money can be turned against its very purpose?
How about you infiltrate NAMBLA and turn them into an organization to go against man/boy love?
Or perhaps start at something like organized crime. Or perhaps turn the NRA against guns.
Really, try those things before you try the largest most violent organization ever seen on Earth.
threebobs 1 year ago
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@threebobs
The government does not exist to transfer money. It exists to protect people's rights. It's just not very good at it. Membership in the organisations you mention is voluntary.
tinosnit 1 year ago
@ tinosnit
How can an organization be for "the protection of rights" when it ONLY exists through violating rights?
If it were voluntary, then yes, you could call it a rights protection organization. But the state exists BECAUSE it denies your right to body and property through taxation.
Rights aren't granted by governments. Rights are the logical outcome of moral consistency.
threebobs 1 year ago 2
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@3bobs
It protects rights to a greater extent than it violates them. Western governments exist to protect our rights.
tinosnit 1 year ago
@tinosnit:
I think you should look up the term "democide", the Austrian business cycle and the effects of public healthcare. There's a trend there which contradicts your claim.
In the best case, states do protect their victims to an extent. E.g. a king will generally care for the productive capacity of his subjects, in the same way as a farmer protects his herd.
In the case of a republic, you don't even get that. It's just an ever-escalating gorge upon the trough of public spending.
PanzerDivisionBOM 1 year ago
Totally agree, then why promote Peter Schiff's campaign and offer listeners where to donate to him?
escapethecollapse 1 year ago
Just don't do government
nhmllr725 1 year ago
Any FDR superfans want to recommend me a podcast in which Stef most clearly lays out his plan for freedom?
Thanks in advance
bwelkk 1 year ago
try podcast 183
stefbot 1 year ago
well said stef
Decon21 1 year ago
Some good points there.
slipcurve 1 year ago
The ideology follows the taking of power is very disputable. In 1917 Lenin had already ideology in place with masses identifying with it. At least enough people to be able to seize the power. Even in Europe
today - u have f.i. socialist parties - If people vote 4 it they know what they'll get. People are delusional. They want to believe in gods, in rights, ideals. "we're all born equal". Maybe we should make a law to put flu virus in jail 4 killing us. Or make cancer illegal. I'll vote 4 that!
konshoff 1 year ago
The point you made at 10:00 was brilliant. Ideology follows the taking of power, which of course accounts for why socialism, fascism etc are all identical.
FUZZYisBIG 1 year ago
So true, it's sad.
FearsEdge 1 year ago 2
To put it simply, humans behave exactly like any other biological life form on this planet. If more favorable conditions where one can thrive appear- it chooses it by instinct. The fact that a man can rationally understand parasitical nature of his actions changes nothing. This is determined by an evolution. The predators always choose an easy prey. Our society basically consists of prey, predators and scavengers. The politics' task is to create sufficient numbers of prey so the game can go on.
konshoff 1 year ago
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capgains 1 year ago 3
I resemble those remarks, mister.
barrywilliamsmb 1 year ago
Bravo.
pelucas716 1 year ago 2
Stefbot, I have heard many of your ideas to help change this world but could you write out a plan with details? I have ideas for some type of government at city level but no higher which would mainly be to set laws of preference. I like your DRO ideas, it would be wonderful if you could develop some reports on the idea.
Stonegoal 1 year ago
wow... great video
chilefex 1 year ago 3
Empiricism is Occam's Razor for moral truths. Anything too complex and long winded comes across as opinionated, rather than a rational defense of principles. Always bring up the unmentioned gun in the room.
hughtub 1 year ago
I do not agree with this example. The guy who ones lottery never abuses anyone and never promise something to anyone. On the contrary politicians promise too many things to the commons. I can not see any resemblance between those two unless Stef gonna revel the whole life of the lucky winner.
misiobear77 1 year ago
The point is not that lottery winners and politicians are morally equivalent, but that you cant convince lottery winners to give up the cash.
FlailingJunk 1 year ago 2
Stef, I totally agree. I'm starting to think that we need to learn the statists methods for smearing, discrediting and otherwise keeping the freedom movement in the dark. Then turn it against them.
Edward Bernays was right, people are mostly irrational, emotionally driven creatures. We need to simply accept that fact and develop a new PR campaign with that in mind.
17Spartacus76 1 year ago
Thanks
Adipatus 1 year ago
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The goal of people who like to talk so much, especially about philosophy, is giving philosophical half hour speeches like politicians. So if anybody is waiting for some constructive solution is waisting there time. On this channel you might hear only how bad things are maybe in more elaborate way.
misiobear77 1 year ago
@Vid
Hey don't shoot yourself down man.
But, good deal on looking at the opportunity your "teachers" may have missed.
MRSketch09 1 year ago
I have no idea what you just said but you have dazzling pearly whites
TheGodofAtheists 1 year ago
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atlas shrugged is overrated. not bad by any means, but overrated, in the same way that orwell's work is
SloganLogan 1 year ago
@sloganlogan:
I donno about Atlas, but I read 1984, and it was very good indeed.
Adipatus 1 year ago
what about the idea of trying to bankrupt them faster by being an employee?
anyone have thoughts on that?
return135 1 year ago
As a person interested in avoiding paying the state, one of the ways to go is to become a tax-feeder, and spread liberty and bill the govt for your time and money. As Dr. Hans Hermann Hoppe has suggested, one of the ways of resisting the state is "plain slacking off".
utubehayter 1 year ago
@return135:
I didnt understand your suggestion, but it sounded to me like a teen addict of inhalants, I saw once on TV.
He said that one of his huffing friends was killed by the stuff, so his mission in life was to destroy the stuff by inhaling all of it.
Adipatus 1 year ago
@return - so the idea here is to get rid of the state by having your income come from the state?
I don' know, Yogi.
Shezmu 1 year ago
Thank you :) - Best one in some time :)
Piett2 1 year ago 4
LOL lottery ticket
Jangaboo 1 year ago 2
Didn't you once sell software to government? While employed by them were you part of the parasitical class?
davyjames 1 year ago
@davyjames ...and now he does this instead, what's your point?
captainyoinksac 1 year ago
Oh, just that he defended his actions in a podcast if I remember correctly. He said it was okay, because somebody was going to get the job, so it might as well be him. I'm happy to be corrected on this, but seemed a bit contradictory after hearing this video.
davyjames 1 year ago
I agree, voting does not work.
dweber66 1 year ago 4
State of being manifests circumstances
wreckerpecker 1 year ago
Thank you for describing the hopelessness of the situation. I for one am rooting for the gov't to implode upon the weight of itself...
The only thing that scares me is what monstrosity might appear in its place.
Nickelodeon2002 1 year ago 11
This is what he says that he, or anyone, CAN'T do. He can;t just think of it, this is one of the flaws of statism. There can be no plan, because the collective will respond to the circumstance and the laws etc that develop will be a consequence of those.
'Having the humility so say Im not smarter.'
FUZZYisBIG 1 year ago