M2 / Old Pochmann Tutorial part 3.5 - Special edge cases

[Rionz25]

@VagrantWatcher213 yah.i think u didnt understand.. just search for the beginners method.. u will see it..for clarity

[Rionz25]

@blackzabbathfan u have to orient it by the beginners method like R U R' U' UNTIL THE CORNER WAS SOLVE

[VagrantWatcher213]

@Rionz25 UNTIL THE CORNER WAS SOLVE? OK

[cubecraze1]

but if i stop eating my apple for 10m it will go brown

[blackzabbathfan]

Question: All My edges are in place but the corners are flipped, what do i do?

[o0JayBC0o]

Do a big cube bld tutorial!

[denisflash1]

I was eating my dinner when he said (00:26) "...and stop eating!"!!!!!. Is it a magic? David Blaine?

[rpotts1]

why not use (U' F2 U) M2 (U' F2 U) for parity?  you only have to do it once in between corners/edges.

[d4m4s74]

The reason the UB piece is an exception is because usually it's moved out of the way (so it doesn't turn like the others)

[jsn1der]

have you breaked from cubing due to school or something? i wonder how fast you are now =)

[musicfreak9312]

@EricLimeback

how does the R perm help with pairty,when using M2.How can those corners pieces on UFR and UBR change their places when using M2,it can happen with old pochmann for edges because we use T perms in that and the corner pieces change their places,not M2,M2 has the side effect of change centers,not corners on UBR and UFR.

[EricLimeback]

@musicfreak9312

You have to do the R perm for parity because it reverts the edges back to what you had memorized. When you do it, the UFR and UBR corners are switched. Once you're done the edges, you go back and do the R perm again to fix the UFR and UBR corners.

[LuKaS2oo9]

@EricLimeback hey eric, i combine 3OP for corners and M2 for edges. The problem is I do corners first and at the end I have every corner well oriented and permuted. So i finish with yellow/orange in DF, solve it with M U2 M U2 and then i get the red/white in UF and do U2 M' U2 M' and its an infinite circle!!! I tried doing U' F2 U M2 U' F2 U but i finish with some of the corners i solved before screwed up!! Does that mean i have to solve edges first and corners later with 3OP and M2 combined?

[EricLimeback]

@LuKaS2oo9 When you say you 'finish', do you mean you finish edges?

Also, when yellow/orange is in DF, are the centers flipped? (As in, is the orange center on F and the yellow on U?). I think thats the problem. If not, its because I haven't done BLD in forever and once I learned how to fix that / what I was doing wrong I never came across it.

[LuKaS2oo9]

@EricLimeback i tried 3OP for corners and solved them, then M2 and i finished with yellow/orange in DF, red/white in DB and red/yellow in UF. I do M U2 M U2 to solve yellow/orange, then red/white in DF, do U2 M' U2 M' and a infinite circle. what do i have to do? Centers arent flipped when yellow/orange is in DF

[LuKaS2oo9]

@EricLimeback oh you explaine it in the video :S HAHA i saw that part before but didnt understand it, now that ive practiced M2 i get it :D btw im argentinian so sorry for my english

[ExcitoAMVs]

Eric dude,WHAT THE HELL DOES ODD number means? Like 7-9-11-13 or what? Dude.....

[Animationnnnn]

@ExcitoAMVs yeah

[Ebbzzor]

Even in a hurry you manage to make a great tutorial. Good job. I am gonna have major problem with the center pieces geting in place when I solve it becuase of the orienttation of the centers.

Does it mean that each time I solve a edge, I have to count if the centers are flipped or not in order for me to put in the center edges corrently with the right alg?

[EricLimeback]

@Ebbzzor Thanks :D

And to answer your question, sort of. You don't have to 'count' for every edge. Just check to see if it's an even numbered edge in your sequence or an odd number. If it's the 2nd/4th/6th/8th/10th/12th edge in your memorization, you know the centers will be flipped.

I memorize edges in groups of four so its easier for me to know if its an even numbered edge

[LuKaS2oo9]

@EricLimeback i dont mean to be annoying :l but i did the corners first with 3OP and then the edges with M2, and i got almost all my corners messed up after solving the edges and the parity. Does this mean that combining 3OP and M2 i HAVE to do edges first??

[Ebbzzor]

I like this vid =) Alot to learn, and I want to learn it so bad.

Btw whish cube is that? ;D

[04mucklowd]

I love you Eric

[Ickathu]

I have another question for you: Do I have to use the r-perm for parity or just and alg that switches those 2 edges? because I hate (and am not good at) the r-perm, but i am faster at say the j or v perms.

[EricLimeback]

@Ickathu Actually, yeah, you can use whatever alg you want as LONG as it switches the UB and UL corners, and also as long as you do it the exact same way at the end.

[Ickathu]

How come I can get odd corners, but even edges?! That's what I have 75% of time(and it's a solvable cube using fridrich)

[EricLimeback]

@Ickathu That shouldn't be able to happen, so maybe its because you're including the buffer piece in the memo?

For example, if the next edge in your memo is the buffer and it has to go to DF, you don't actually memorize DF. You go straight to the letter of the next cycle. So if the order of edges goes like

UR to UL to DF to UB, you would memorize UR>UL>UB, since UL is the end of the cycle and UB is the beginning of the new one

[Ickathu]

@EricLimeback Okay, thanks, I'm not sure what i had been doing, but after reading your comment and trying a couple more times, i never encountered that problem (still have only gotten it once though, out of about 50 tries :'( )So I guess I must have either been doing that or counting wrong lol

Thanks!

[dsadwede]

for the r-perm parity for edge at the end...you can do D' L2 U for set up then do R-perm and U' L2 D then M2 right?i tried and it works...

[SpeedCubingCentral]

You say we can recognize edge parity when the yellow is on top. You do realize we will have a blindfold on right?

[EricLimeback]

You know yellow will be on top if you have an odd amount of edges in your memo, so you have to count how many you have and if it's an odd number, you have parity.

[SpeedCubingCentral]

Ok thanks

[TheAccidentalFreak]

welcome! to how to solve a 3x3 bld part 3.5! ow

[xxFeyTTyeFxx]

oh, the answer to my question is here. thanks dude.

[Z3R0F3AR]

and for the algorithm at 1:44, can't you just use E2 M E2 M' ?

[frenchshredder]

eric*

[frenchshredder]

ahaha i was eating cheetos. nice call erik, you are a grade A creeper

[Z3R0F3AR]

wait, so what algorithm did you use at 5:20?

[EricLimeback]

F' D R' F D' M2 D F' R D' F

[bridabom73]

9:19 Oops.

9:53 Oops.

2 in one minute. Lol.

[EricLimeback]

it doesn't matter at all, you can do whatever you find least affects your edge memo :)

[LNOL]

00:00-00:03 epic fail XD

[denisflash1]

@LNOL sure he did it purposely)

[kingeek9]

omfg i swear, howd you know i was eating rofl..

[d4m4s74]

Until I saw this tut I always thought M went the other way, but till now I´ve only used M2 in my algs, never M or M´

I´ll study

[somethingcool00]

i use the corner technique badmephisto teaches but this is what im going to use for corners. cant w8 til i get my first successful solve

[loganswofford13]

welcome to part 2.5 OWW

[coopersacatfilms]

the first parity you said "This is what it will look like at the end." Will that parity always happen at the end or can it happen during the middle of doing the edges.

[Raawn]

Parity only happens when you have an odd number of Corners to solve. When you do have the Parity that would be what it work look like at the end. To get that case, you need to do the R perm after you do corners. Watch Part 2 again it says near the end.

[btkw]

im confused

[Mindstormscreator]

what hurt? you said ow in the beginning and it was kinda funny lol :)

[n00bCubix]

3.5.. OW XDDDD

[1andonlyeva]

Lol

[Connorcuber]

I've used that turorial, it works quite well. :)

[1andonlyeva]

lol I made the whole class use the tutorial.

They learned alot. XD

[esquimalt1]

lmao, i was hoping eric would click that :@

[esquimalt1]

lol did you already know about it?

[1andonlyeva]

yea a long time ago

[fazrulz1]

how soon will the memo vid be up?

[terrerty123]

at this rate, 2034

[PolitelyOwned]

Eric, I kindly thank you for the great tutorial. I'm stoked that I might get my first BLD solve because of this!

And FYI, I was eating doritto's when you first put the video out. I was like "HAH!"

[Z3R0F3AR]

thanks very much erik. you are teh pwnz. does part 4 involve fingertapping?

[reghrhre]

thanks for the tutorial its really helpful

[Raawn]

yay the parity case

[EricLimeback]

haha wtf?

[Sa967St]

you eat a bottle of sunkist?

[shamah02]

Thank you so much for explaining this. It's kinda weird though because I had actually found out how to fix parity by doing EDGES first then if I had an odd number of EDGES I'd do the algorithm you showed and continue as normal with the corners.

[Mindstormscreator]

thank you for explaining the parity! i thought I would have to locate two edges and position them and then do the r perm, but this seems a lot easier

[sushibuffet]

WOW !!! im actually eating a piece of cake!

[EricLimeback]

LMAO HAHA. why is EVERYONE EATING when watching this video hahahahaha

[Sa967St]

yes lol

[chamachinga20]

you already upload this video before

[EricLimeback]

haha I know, but I forgot to explain the parity case. Also the video froze for about a minute.

those are fixed now :)

[Sa967St]

stop eating? what...how did you know?

I'm eating a banana right now :P

[EricLimeback]

LMAO

the same thing happened to derrick, he was eating a sandwich though haha

[Connorcuber]

Hm, im eating cereal :p.

[ChrisBrandariz]

thanks