Thanks for this amazing arrangement, which shows the unecspected musical possibilities of compressed air in a technical environment. To my opinion, the composer shoud be able to write scores for a Dutch barrel organ too! These run on compressed air too. The response time for a barrel organ is only a few milliseconds... I wonder whether it would be possible to arrange a barrel-organ concert with score(s) of the composer? In the Netherlands, that would be a quite new experience.
Art and beauty are subject to the interpretations of the individual. To constrain opinion by limiting the definition of music goes against everything associated with invention, interpretation, and expression. Humans didn't invent music, they expanded it. Are song birds just birds?
hohoho,one of theese mega tolerant electronic hippys.
there is one thing people like you got wrong from day one,maybe some of these living beeing music fans talk more about the sound itself not if it is playd by a programm or not,some just want real sounds, physicly exsisting sounds.this does exsist and it is a real cool invention by the way,and the creation of it by human beeings and the week eating tuning of it really could be respected as an efford
I absolutely love this. Using automation equipment for things which they were never intended. How did you convert the MIDI signals? Do you have any place where I can read the technical specifications of this lovely piece of engineering?
Music isn't constrained to the instrument physically handled by a living being, voice or otherwise. Music composed, studied, written, rehearsed, generated, created, scratched by the legs of a cricket, or played simultaneously by the harmonizing sphincters of pigs is all still music. Those who believe otherwise are nothing short of elitist fuck-sticks the world is better off without.
@01FLHT i know what you mean, but the essence of music is, plain and simple, a human invention. Why don't we call an alarm clock music? it is essentially an organization of sound, with a meaning and emotional investment. It ticks all the boxes of 'music'... except its not. Ask anyone on the street, anyone! and they will tell you a cricket, harmonising pigs or an alarm is NOT music. And ive never heard of a majority being elitist... Maybe you are the elitist. Prove me wrong.
I can't believe that some of the comments say this isn't music...
Anyway, the concept of engineering and programming to create something so intricate and subtle is mind blowing. The only way you'd ever get to hear this piece in this way is exactly is to have it performed as is. Wonderful stuff.
Get over what you define as music, you evidently dont know how things work in the world. I play the violin, am a machinist by trade and going to college for mechanical engineering. One thing you learn about robots is that they reflect their designers in such a way that no other designer, or group of designers could duplicate. So not only do these machines reflect the very essence of the people involved making them, the machines also reflect the composer in such a way that no human musician could
Steve Martin once said "rap is to music what dancing is to architecture". This falls into the same vein. It lacks texture and without texture, it is not music, it is an assembly of sounds which may as well have occured simultaneously as spread out in a linear string. As to harpsichords, like organs, these instruments do not have expression but the player does. This electronic exercise, while entertaining on some level for some people, is not music. You get what you settle for.
I disagree, if only because the 'human' element is still there.
What I mean is that the music is fed into the program and the program controls the hardware to make the music. The music almost certianly didnt come out quite right, so adjustments were made and the process repeated. This process is essentially the same for any group of people practicing/playing together.
Only in this case, once something is mastered, it dosent change
What is so wonderful about NOT having it change? That is part of the reason this stuff is not music - no life, no risk, no errors, no color, no texture, no time, no cosmic chaos. Ugh. No thank you.
Besides, if you encourage these people they will make MORE of this stuff instead of investing their time in learning to play an instrument and making music.
Look, I don't know what is so difficult to understand about the difference between this crap and music. If your HANDS are on the keyboard or your lips are on the mouthpiece or your hands hold the sticks or your tongue keys the harmonica, it might be music. If your body is not connected to the instrument in some way, it is a fair bet it ain't music.
I noticed somebody "removed" my original comment because it wasn't all mushy praise for this crap. But removing my comment does not make this music.
I suppose you were expecting "Bach"? This is an original composition. The instruments have one or two pluck strengths like a harpsichord. Anyone's music could be applied to these instruments. Apparently one note per instrument.
Would you also consider harpsichords to be without expression?
@ ElDiaOctavo: expecting a programmed machine completely incapable of expression and emotion to portray expression and emotion JUST might be asking a little much, dont ya think?
@ElDiaOctavo In saying that the programmed machine can't show feeling it doesn't mean it can't be a tool used to create music. Music isn't always an outpouring of emotion, although you don't know what the composer may have put into writing this. Music can also be a craft, with composer being skilled craftsmen doing a job, ever seen a commercial with backing music? If you deny that is music than you're just being stubborn and foolish.
One thing I resist doing is telling someone else they are fools or stupid or whatever because I disagree with them.
I don't give a rat's behind if somebody thinks this is music. It is not and any musician that has spent the time and effort necessary to master an instrument knows it. If you have not done so, you don't know and the point is moot.
Spend 10,000 hours on piano or clarinet or percussion or harmonica...then tell me this is music. Until then, save..or stuff...your insults.
The issue you seem to have is accepting the fact that composers can create music WITHOUT other people playing it. I play bass everyday, and am learning to play drums and piano, as well as having learned saxophone earlier on, and I now compose as well. I may not have "mastered" these things but I am also not ignorant of it. you seem to have this superiority complex as an older musician that i suggest you let go of. appreciate the new things coming about as they take as much time and effort.
It takes time and effort to do a lot of worthless things - take Congress, for example.
If you think this guy is a composer, well, go right ahead. My advice to you is find something more worthwhile to admire.
Listen/watch Eric Serra's compositional treatment of the diva's aria in movie "The Fifth Element". Listen to how the natural voice gives way to the digitally sampled "voice". This is music.
I absolutely love that piece (along with that movie) and I understand what you're saying, but there's also a video of a woman actually singing that second half, without the aid of samples. I don't appreciate the Fifth Element's version any less than hers. I hate these youtube arguments but it baffles me how intent you are on denying the composition of this piece is music at all, if you just said its lame id be on my way, but you're saying it isnt music in itself, which it has to be
What is your stance on electronic music then, where the composer have spent 10,000 hours on computer or software or keyboard... Is that music? Because as I see it, by your definition of what "might be music", that might be music.
Wow... that is not right... it's not natural... my mind can't seem to accept it... it's like it should and shouldn't be at the same time... wow... just doesn't look right... sounds amazing though...
I assisted her in the adaptation and I transcribed the notes from paper to MIDI-PLC to control the instruments and programmed their live audio processing. Then I filmed and edited this video during rehearsals.
Thank you all for your positive comments. There's a lot of work and creativity from several people: Roland Olbeter and his team conceived, built and programmed the instruments and a MIDI to PLC converter, the incredibly inspired composer Elena Kats-Chernin wrote the score in Sidney before knowing the actual machines (at that stage she only knew a briefing of their possibilities and their note range).
Back in the late 1980s, player piano factories would occastionally build a phnumatic contraption that would play a banjo or a fiddle, using paper piano rolls.
the engineering and time it took to design this shows. not to mention the perfection in timing. i'm guessing he used some sort of programmable logic controller to sequence the movements. awesome, just awesome!
Thanks for this amazing arrangement, which shows the unecspected musical possibilities of compressed air in a technical environment. To my opinion, the composer shoud be able to write scores for a Dutch barrel organ too! These run on compressed air too. The response time for a barrel organ is only a few milliseconds... I wonder whether it would be possible to arrange a barrel-organ concert with score(s) of the composer? In the Netherlands, that would be a quite new experience.
BlatantBill 1 month ago
Art and beauty are subject to the interpretations of the individual. To constrain opinion by limiting the definition of music goes against everything associated with invention, interpretation, and expression. Humans didn't invent music, they expanded it. Are song birds just birds?
01FLHT 2 months ago
sounds like a emmerson lake and palmer
KingCrimson82 1 year ago
hohoho,one of theese mega tolerant electronic hippys.
there is one thing people like you got wrong from day one,maybe some of these living beeing music fans talk more about the sound itself not if it is playd by a programm or not,some just want real sounds, physicly exsisting sounds.this does exsist and it is a real cool invention by the way,and the creation of it by human beeings and the week eating tuning of it really could be respected as an efford
KingCrimson82 1 year ago
I absolutely love this. Using automation equipment for things which they were never intended. How did you convert the MIDI signals? Do you have any place where I can read the technical specifications of this lovely piece of engineering?
Fluffar0n 1 year ago
Music isn't constrained to the instrument physically handled by a living being, voice or otherwise. Music composed, studied, written, rehearsed, generated, created, scratched by the legs of a cricket, or played simultaneously by the harmonizing sphincters of pigs is all still music. Those who believe otherwise are nothing short of elitist fuck-sticks the world is better off without.
01FLHT 1 year ago 3
@01FLHT i know what you mean, but the essence of music is, plain and simple, a human invention. Why don't we call an alarm clock music? it is essentially an organization of sound, with a meaning and emotional investment. It ticks all the boxes of 'music'... except its not. Ask anyone on the street, anyone! and they will tell you a cricket, harmonising pigs or an alarm is NOT music. And ive never heard of a majority being elitist... Maybe you are the elitist. Prove me wrong.
darbeel 7 months ago
I can't believe that some of the comments say this isn't music...
Anyway, the concept of engineering and programming to create something so intricate and subtle is mind blowing. The only way you'd ever get to hear this piece in this way is exactly is to have it performed as is. Wonderful stuff.
OrbitVideos 1 year ago
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MrDiscernment 1 year ago
Get over what you define as music, you evidently dont know how things work in the world. I play the violin, am a machinist by trade and going to college for mechanical engineering. One thing you learn about robots is that they reflect their designers in such a way that no other designer, or group of designers could duplicate. So not only do these machines reflect the very essence of the people involved making them, the machines also reflect the composer in such a way that no human musician could
Tiwake 2 years ago
Steve Martin once said "rap is to music what dancing is to architecture". This falls into the same vein. It lacks texture and without texture, it is not music, it is an assembly of sounds which may as well have occured simultaneously as spread out in a linear string. As to harpsichords, like organs, these instruments do not have expression but the player does. This electronic exercise, while entertaining on some level for some people, is not music. You get what you settle for.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
I disagree, if only because the 'human' element is still there.
What I mean is that the music is fed into the program and the program controls the hardware to make the music. The music almost certianly didnt come out quite right, so adjustments were made and the process repeated. This process is essentially the same for any group of people practicing/playing together.
Only in this case, once something is mastered, it dosent change
Tiwake 2 years ago
What is so wonderful about NOT having it change? That is part of the reason this stuff is not music - no life, no risk, no errors, no color, no texture, no time, no cosmic chaos. Ugh. No thank you.
Besides, if you encourage these people they will make MORE of this stuff instead of investing their time in learning to play an instrument and making music.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
Is that so? What is then your stance on synthesizers, or electric pianos, to take it a step further?
sephiruth77 2 years ago
Look, I don't know what is so difficult to understand about the difference between this crap and music. If your HANDS are on the keyboard or your lips are on the mouthpiece or your hands hold the sticks or your tongue keys the harmonica, it might be music. If your body is not connected to the instrument in some way, it is a fair bet it ain't music.
I noticed somebody "removed" my original comment because it wasn't all mushy praise for this crap. But removing my comment does not make this music.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
Better than animusic!
lightaddicting 2 years ago 2
yup way better
CapNcrunH 2 years ago
Thats cool!
get it to play tubular bells.
Captinsuarve 2 years ago
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Sorry, but that was awful. It fails as either guitar or music. Just gross sounds, not emotion, no expression, no skill, nothing...truly "air".
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
I suppose you were expecting "Bach"? This is an original composition. The instruments have one or two pluck strengths like a harpsichord. Anyone's music could be applied to these instruments. Apparently one note per instrument.
Would you also consider harpsichords to be without expression?
dadinck 2 years ago
@ ElDiaOctavo: expecting a programmed machine completely incapable of expression and emotion to portray expression and emotion JUST might be asking a little much, dont ya think?
funkbeastbasslover 2 years ago
The machine had no skill, without skill you wont go far in the world of music! =)
sephiruth77 2 years ago
Yes. Which is exactly why this is NOT music...which is about all I said originally.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
@ElDiaOctavo In saying that the programmed machine can't show feeling it doesn't mean it can't be a tool used to create music. Music isn't always an outpouring of emotion, although you don't know what the composer may have put into writing this. Music can also be a craft, with composer being skilled craftsmen doing a job, ever seen a commercial with backing music? If you deny that is music than you're just being stubborn and foolish.
funkbeastbasslover 2 years ago
One thing I resist doing is telling someone else they are fools or stupid or whatever because I disagree with them.
I don't give a rat's behind if somebody thinks this is music. It is not and any musician that has spent the time and effort necessary to master an instrument knows it. If you have not done so, you don't know and the point is moot.
Spend 10,000 hours on piano or clarinet or percussion or harmonica...then tell me this is music. Until then, save..or stuff...your insults.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
The issue you seem to have is accepting the fact that composers can create music WITHOUT other people playing it. I play bass everyday, and am learning to play drums and piano, as well as having learned saxophone earlier on, and I now compose as well. I may not have "mastered" these things but I am also not ignorant of it. you seem to have this superiority complex as an older musician that i suggest you let go of. appreciate the new things coming about as they take as much time and effort.
funkbeastbasslover 2 years ago
It takes time and effort to do a lot of worthless things - take Congress, for example.
If you think this guy is a composer, well, go right ahead. My advice to you is find something more worthwhile to admire.
Listen/watch Eric Serra's compositional treatment of the diva's aria in movie "The Fifth Element". Listen to how the natural voice gives way to the digitally sampled "voice". This is music.
ElDiaOctavo 2 years ago
I absolutely love that piece (along with that movie) and I understand what you're saying, but there's also a video of a woman actually singing that second half, without the aid of samples. I don't appreciate the Fifth Element's version any less than hers. I hate these youtube arguments but it baffles me how intent you are on denying the composition of this piece is music at all, if you just said its lame id be on my way, but you're saying it isnt music in itself, which it has to be
funkbeastbasslover 2 years ago
What is your stance on electronic music then, where the composer have spent 10,000 hours on computer or software or keyboard... Is that music? Because as I see it, by your definition of what "might be music", that might be music.
sephiruth77 2 years ago
you can't expect a mechanical engineer to be a music major. :/
MrSuperPhun 2 years ago
you are so simple minded and fail to realize its potential
CapNcrunH 2 years ago
I'd like to see you make a machine that can do that you little homo. Then when you fail go back to your home under the freeway.
k4v337 2 years ago
I would like to know more about FSSR and the bigger people FESTO thx
reptilionsarehere 2 years ago
Wow... that is not right... it's not natural... my mind can't seem to accept it... it's like it should and shouldn't be at the same time... wow... just doesn't look right... sounds amazing though...
quigonthehippy 2 years ago
That's amazing.
FlurpleBooProduction 2 years ago
I think jimi hendrix has been reincarnated
Cbeaky73 2 years ago
wow amazing.
celebratingfantasy 2 years ago 8
really....
wettercap 2 years ago
that's awesome.
satrombone1093 2 years ago
and im well aware that thats not the point if this, does sound good tho
mdt1609 3 years ago
wow if it ever did a live show it would have great banter with the crowd.....
mdt1609 3 years ago
Thank you for showing such a dedication to music!
thelightguy1 3 years ago
amazing invention and excellent music
gnialf 3 years ago 2
i'm very very partial to this way of presenting music, awesome mix and style
chickabeee 3 years ago
WTF? I don't even know what I'm looking at here. But it's beautiful!
0ldfinger 3 years ago
Nice work. Sounds very good. ;D
Lov4KR 3 years ago
hol crap
stroud1000 3 years ago
It's great! ;)
ZionistWorldOrder 3 years ago
I assisted her in the adaptation and I transcribed the notes from paper to MIDI-PLC to control the instruments and programmed their live audio processing. Then I filmed and edited this video during rehearsals.
I'm glad some of you enjoyed our work.
C.F.
FSSR 3 years ago
Thank you all for your positive comments. There's a lot of work and creativity from several people: Roland Olbeter and his team conceived, built and programmed the instruments and a MIDI to PLC converter, the incredibly inspired composer Elena Kats-Chernin wrote the score in Sidney before knowing the actual machines (at that stage she only knew a briefing of their possibilities and their note range).
FSSR 3 years ago
so much of work for a music ...
its great when people put in their fullest of efforts for something like this one
barryforever 3 years ago
I agree with the person who named himself after the modes.
This is really way too cool, and very inspiring. You see a lot of musical robots that make interesting sounds, but do not necessarily make music.
This also really reminded me of the animusic DVD's, except that the composition was more creative.
RandomTask3000 3 years ago
If you told me that was an 80s synth playing this, I would have believed you.
DorianAeolian 3 years ago
Back in the late 1980s, player piano factories would occastionally build a phnumatic contraption that would play a banjo or a fiddle, using paper piano rolls.
Looks like the concept has been updated!
tkhering 3 years ago
the engineering and time it took to design this shows. not to mention the perfection in timing. i'm guessing he used some sort of programmable logic controller to sequence the movements. awesome, just awesome!
Gicahagi10 3 years ago 2
That rules; especially the Castlevania part around 3:00.
OsearyDrakoulias 3 years ago
W - T - F
Lammero 3 years ago
yatik saha kho
garey000 3 years ago
Wow amazing, forget that new hifi i want my own machanical mistro in the corner of the room.
cheddarbob111 4 years ago
COOL, WHAT IS THIS?
cerlest 4 years ago
This is incredible! I am amazed and inspired.
slashie71 4 years ago
that's amazing. =O
this needs a feature.
PshIMaDITZ 4 years ago