AR is a rifle AK is a machine gun. military weapons tell the tail. M16 1 safe 2 semi 3 auto AK 1 safe 2 auto 3 semi. AK is a buck knife AR is a scouple! apples and oranges man!
you are a dumb ass fag man hor if you didn't know you can get difrent caliper's for ypur ar15 like ma ar15 7.62 x 39 or u should of named the video ar15 223 vs ak 47 faggot
Grant it they are two rifles I have to deal with in my new crappy state but the BCM is a home build so ican remove the BB when out of state. I had to move for work but I'll be back out of this hell hole soon
@TelPrank I have 3 crapy vids on my two latest firearms I built and purchased posted. I have more but waiting to go to the range to fire them instead of showcase them but I'll make some more if you like and even more when I go to my families place out of state....what fuckin videos do you have tool?
@TelPrank seeing as that this video has civ models in it and I also own several version of both what the fuck is your point? What the fuck do you do besides act like a 12 year old little bitch kid whose dad needs to beat the shit out of him? Your a fucking moron. Go back to video games games and pretending like you know something when you don't. Fucking idiot.
@TelPrank your a moron "huhuhuhuh your gay huhuhuhuh" fucking dumbass with nothing to add about firearms because you know nothing about them and have to resort to name calling to make yourself feel smart or better....not to mention you really like talkin about gays.....interesting....you know that's a tell for being in the closet right. Your mom should have had an abortion.
@TelPrank what's your infatuation with gays? Closet you want to come out of? What the fuck does any of what your dumb ass have said have to do with firearms....your just showing your a dumb fucking little boy with obvious sexual identity issues who has never touched or fired any of these weapons to for any type o educated opinion...go back to video games little boy.
@ANiceGunner Thanks. I'm not an expert, but I try to get my info straight. I forgot to mention this, but perhaps the only way you could reliably hit out to 500 yards with an AK is to zero your scope to shoot dead on at 500 yards. and rely on your sights for close up. Still, it's kind of ridiculous to go through that trouble though.
@ANiceGunner I can't really think out any realistic situation where somebody would need to shoot an Elk at 500 yards with an AK. If I was starving and needed to shoot an elk at for food, I would not do it at 500 yards. I would get much closer. It would be completely foolish to try and shoot an elk at 500 yards with an AK.
@ANiceGunner I'm not saying it's impossible to hit with an AK out to that distance, but it will be very difficult. The 7.62x39 has a lot of drop at that distance. 50+ inches of drop I believe. You'll have to get very creative on how you'll compensate for 50+ inches of drop. I don't think a 7.62x39 will reliably kill an Elk at that distance. An AK-74 would be probably be much better for 500 yard shots. A 5.45x39 probably won't reliably kill an elk at that distance either though.
not a combat rifle, god you dumb hick you give americans a bad name, guess what that sissy rifle outperformed the ak in terms that more vietnamese died using ak's than us soldiers died using the m16, same story in both iraq wars and afganistan, and dumbass the 5.45 may have less recoil than the 5.56, but when fired from an ak, the gun will have more recoil and climb, the m16 doesn't do that due to it's superior design, and the m16a4 has almost no reliability problems at all.
@packr72 The kill ratio being in our favor has a lot more to it then just M16's. They didn't have air superiority or firepower we had. They didn't have the medical aid we had. The muzzle brake AK-74 is fitted with may give it less recoil then an AR15.
@esh325 a muzzle brake wouldn't help. the hump on the ak gives it it's recoil, the vietnamese had an airforce, they had artillery, they had tanks, the only thing they lacked was a real navy, and firefights b/w the us and nva were massacres without air support, their were no laser guided bombs or many smart munitions, tv guided missiles was the best we had, for the most part we just dropped dumb bombs with naplam on the nva
@packr72 The muzzle brake is going to do its job regardless of the "hump" you speak of. If the muzzle brake wasn't effective, then they wouldn't using it. NVA had all those things, but we had triple the amount of them. The NVA had to borrow a lot of its equipment from China and Russia. The NVA didn't have helicoptors to counter ours.
@esh325 not really, main us forces, tanks, planes, artillery, was located in western europe and in the us, we never had more than a million men in country, most of the us tanks were older m48 pattons and the m41 light tank, and helicopters dont dogfight other helicopters, the vietnamese had more triple AAA guns than the germans did in ww2, plus modern russian sams that we couldn't bomb due to politics, china and russia threw arms at the NVA
the ak(7.62 by 39) round will just "sail right through you" uh...never heard of cavitation aparently? plus heavier bullets can equal more knockdown/fight stopping power but people seem to like the 5.45
@justinml8719 look at a ballistic profile chart, the 5.56x45 will make a cavity many times larger than the 7.62x39 withing proper fragmentation thresholds
@TelPrank Dude, yours is the dumb ass comment of the week.
The AR system is one of the longest live and best performing military weapon systems ever built. Even folks who normally get issued AKs choose and AR when given the choice.
Wasn't around for WWII, and the vast majority of the folks killed by the Russians were other Russians, pistol shot to the back of the head or firing squad.
@IOwnNoobsish AK 74s have less recoil than the AR does, the AR produces 5.3 Joules of recoil. AK in 5.45 only produces 3.9 joules of energy all. AK bolt has roughly 5oz more of moving mass.There are multiple manufactures that develop heavier bolt carriers for the AR to help reduce recoil, and give it longer dwell time.. In this case heavier is better. Look at the formula to calculate kinetic energy...
'all the AK is is a bullet hose. you feed it ammo, you lay down suppressive fire, it doesn't quit, it always runs and every now and then you'll kill somebody with it."
@LooksLegitBro "...AK is a big, bad ass, loose tolerance, reliable, unstoppable, ammunition guzzling BEAST...VS AR is a just a freely, little-girly, aluminum, law-enforcement rifle. AR is not a combat rifle..it was designed to be faggotty, streamer gun...and light weight, and homosexual. And if I dropped it from as high as 3ft high, guess what would happen?? AK is a mud gun, AR is an accuracy-fat gun. AK is a 'get the job done' gun."
@antiigravity Larry Vickers dropped an m4 from a helicopter, blew it up, shot it with a shotgun, ran over it with a couple hummers, dumped it in mud, water, and it shot with only one malfunction after the explosion. The only things that broke were the aimpoint sight's rear lens and a mag after the explosion. Seems pretty reliable to me and If the ar platform wasn't designed for combat our u.s. military/nato wouldn't be using them.
@therealist1057 I'm not saying everything in that video is completely made up or impossible to do with a M4, but Larry Vickers was paid by the Daniel Defense to do that video.
@elox02 AGREED!!! Mid-Length is WHAT THE 16" barrel SHOULD HAVE!! That gas system, extractor upgrade, heavier buffer (if needed) and now that the EXO BCG's are cheaper and are still MPI/MPT/shot peened, Mil-Spec PLUS permanent lube... The STANDARD D.I. AR has the capability to REALLY increase reliability w/the new technologies abounding. I don't know why the military doesn't add 1.5"'s of barrel, go Middy, which is bayonet capable, :-), and give the 7" gas system of the 14.5" M4 a REST!
2. The M16 originally used a 20-round magazine which was later replaced by a bent 30-round design. As a result, the magazine follower tends to rock or tilt, causing malfunctions. The M16's magazine is made of light weight pressed/stamped aluminum. Therefore, it is easier to damage than an AK-47 magazine as the feed lips are proportionally weaker when compared to the AK-47.
@antiigravity You apparently think that all magazines for the M4/M16/AR15 are stamped aluminum, they're not. There are steel and polymer and with the magazines you can get today, follower tilt is a non-existent problem.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I am totally aware of this fact. The reason I made that example of crappy AR mags is to show the core developmental problems with AR that are still not solved, those problems were pretty much non existent with AK platform. And even now the polymer and metal AR mags you're referring to, are not as durable and thick as real AK mags anyway.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Watch this torture test conducted by Russian Military - M-16A1 vs AK-74M, the STEEL Military grade M-16 mags got screwed falling from 3ft high LMAO: /watch?v=kNbF8_u98g4
@antiigravity Military doesn't issue steel magazines last I checked. I'll send you a video of an AR 15 torture test where the magazine, along with the rest of the gun, were 100% even at the end.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR LMAO That's not a freaking torture test..it's a joke, a commercial - for naive inexperienced civilians. Taping the muzzle before submerging the rifle into water? o_O ? Sprinkling dirt on the rifle with the ejection cover closed? Sand and small rocks is what responsible for a lot of stoppages on AR. The gooey substance that forms from lube, debris and return gasses. Dropping AR onto wet soft grass? o_O ? Like I said it's commercial to get sales for DanielDefence!
@antiigravity Oh yeah, I addressed the muzzle thing in the private message but I'll do so here. A lot of special forces and military personal tape or cover the muzzle of their rifle, they've been doing it since World War II. I'll also say it here, my AR 15 hasn't been lubed in over two years and not cleaned after shooting sometimes and yet I still haven't a single jam from it. You claim design flaws such as the two pins holding it together, when has that ever failed?
@antiigravity Comment Continued: I would that in over 50 years of service, that little "design flaw" as you call it would have shown to be true. The military would have replaced it if it was a problem. SOCOM tried the SCAR-L for awhile which is supposed to be more reliable but they dropped it and went back to the M4. The M4's receiver is actually stronger that the AK's 1mm thick steel receiver. You're talking biased opinions that don't have much fact backing them up.
1. A major but often overlooked factor in a firearm's reliability is the design of its magazine. The AK-47’s magazine has a pronounced curve which allows it to smoothly feed ammunition into the chamber. Its heavy steel construction combined with "feed-lips" (the surfaces at the top of the magazine that control the angle at which the cartridge enters the chamber) machined from a single steel billet makes it highly resistant to damage. This makes the AK-47 magazine more reliable.
After the introduction of the M4 Carbine, it was found that the shorter barrel length of 14.5 inches also has a negative effect on reliability, as the gas port is located closer to the chamber than the gas port of the standard length M16 rifle: 7.5 inches instead of the 13 inches. This effects the M4’s timing and increases the amount of stress and heat on the critical components, thereby reducing reliability.
The "accessory rail" is also considered unsafe to use after the weapon has been fired for prolonged periods as enough heat, to melt flesh, will transfer from the receiver to the handle. More importantly, with the sight plane 2.5 in (63.5 mm) over the bore, the M16 has an inherent parallax problem that can be confounding to shooters. At closer ranges (typically inside 15–20 meters), the shooter must aim high in order to place shots where desired.
We left with 72 men in our platoon and came back with 19, Believe it or not, you know what killed most of us? Our own rifle. Practically every one of our dead was found with his M16 torn down next to him where he had been trying to fix it.
The first issues of the rifle generated considerable controversy because the gun suffered from a jamming flaw known as “failure to extract,” which meant that a spent cartridge case remained lodged in the chamber after a bullet flew out the muzzle. According to a congressional report, the jamming was caused primarily by a change in gunpowder which was done without adequate testing and reflected a decision for which the safety of soldiers was a secondary consideration.
High ARs with match grade barrels don't last very long, AK 74s have less recoil than the AR does, the AR produces 5.3 Joules of recoil. AK in 5.45 only produces 3.9 joules of energy all. AK bolt has roughly 5oz more of moving mass.There are multiple manufactures that develop heavier bolt carriers for the AR to help reduce recoil, and give it longer dwell time.. In this case heavier is better. Look at the formula to calculate kinetic energy...
@EvilxMerlin I like the sig but its pretty heavy for a 5.56 rifle...I was looking into one for a while. The Railed ones I like but the ones I've handled had plastic hand guards and they moved around a lot and "felt cheap" Other then that I liked the rifle and almost pirchased it (decent price point) but decided on building yet another AR.
@Hunterkiller308 yeah I purchased some of that Z-max stuff lol basically V-max with a puke green tip and a cool box lol. The 7N6 is the better of the mil ammo but vmax is a great 5.45 load. 7N6 yaws a bit quicker but still no fragmentation. That's the full steel core one correct? I just have 1500 rds of 53gr spamcan brown paper wrapped milsurp and 200 rds vmax.
The 5.45x39.5mm doesn't typically give much fragmentation, it DOES provide quicker and more reliable yawing (typically) out of a 16" AK-74, vs a 16" AR. A lot has to do with the Bi-Metal jacket's often used. The 7n6 round is the 'best of the bunch' as far as accuracy and yawing. My AR (7 lb stock) weighs about the exact same as my SGL21(7.3lbs bone stock). AK-74 might weigh a bit more though having a VERY similar barrel profile(w/a .221 bore vs .311). Thank's for using -74 as a VS AR-15 vid!
@HunterKiller308 Didn't say a thing about the 5.56x45mm's effectiveness, just that the 7N6 5.45mm is a LOT less velocity reliant for it's 'yawing' effect, whereas the 5.56mm is VERY velocity dependent for it's fragmentation effect which you obviously are familiar with... So, WTF are you talking about, 'BTW The best of the bunch' refers to different 5.45mm projectiles, NOT 5.56mm. Didnt say one's better than another, try and actually READ the posts before telling us how wrong it is!!
@reeseman67 actually Tula or Brown Bear 5.45 FMJ will do more damage than 7n6 since they have lead cores, thus they will deform much more than that steel core 7n6
@antigravity my problem with piston ARs to the T. I have read the fragment threshold is more along the lines of 2700fps but 100 fps who cares...but heavier (75-77gr) black hills and Seirra match king rounds have a lower frag threshold of 2300-2500fps. Being a civilian I run OTM or SP rounds in 5.56 and heavier 154 gr SP in 7.62x39 exclusively.
@elox02 the main reasons i dont care for piston ARs myself are that the whole front end of the rifle heats up like a bastard, you can get a pretty nasty burn if you touch the gas regulator with bare skin after a few mags of rapid fire.
the piston also makes the gun front heavy, thus it is slower to swing into action
if i was to get a piston gun i would want one built that way from the ground up, ...not some retro fit job.....an H&K would be really nice
@elox02 you just gotta love a 77 gr. OTM, that baby will fragment out to 210 yards reliably...and thats usually more range than you need. ( its funny how alot of AK fanboys thing accuracy and range mean the same thing ) i cant find much information on the new M855A1, but i know it was designed specifically for the M4 so it stands to reason it must have a low frag threshold as well
ya know that V-MAX really makes me like the 7.62x39 allot more...makes me overlook its various short comings
2. where as any malfunction with the direct-impingement system can be fixed by the end user in field. The second is that gas piston alternatives use an off-axis operation of the piston that can introduce carrier tilt, whereby the bolt carrier fails to enter the buffer tube at a straight angle resulting in part wearing. The third is that the use of a sound suppressor results in hot gases entering the chamber, regardless of a direct-gas impingement or gas piston design choice.
1. Complicating the Army search for higher reliability in the M4 is a number of observations of M4 gas piston alternatives that suffer unintended design problems. The first is that many of the gas piston modifications for the M4 isolate the piston so that piston jams or related malfunction require the entire weapon be disassembled, such dis-assembly cannot be performed by the end user and requires a qualified armorer to perform out of field,
@antiigravity seems to be out dated info, on most piston driven ARs you can pull the entire pistion assembly right out of the front of the gun and the carrier tilt problem has been rectified in quality models such as LWRC
3. By contrast, soldiers armed with rapid fire weapons were much more likely to have fired their weapons in battle. These conclusions suggested that infantry should be equipped with a fully automatic rifle of some sort in order to increase the actual firepower of regular soldiers.
2. They also found that the chance of being hit in combat was essentially random; accurate "aiming" made little difference because the targets no longer sat still. The number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired. Other studies of behavior in battle revealed that many U.S. infantrymen (as many as 2/3) never actually fired their rifles in combat.
1. In 1948, the Army organized the civilian Operations Research Office. Operations Research Office. Over 3 million battlefield reports from World War I and World War II were analyzed and over the next few years they released a series of reports on their findings. The conclusion was that most combat takes place at short range. In a highly mobile war, combat teams ran into each other largely by surprise; and the team with the higher firepower tended to win.
Our military purchases M4s from colt for $1799, Izhmash sells brand new AK-100 series rifles for $160 USD, You cant tell me its 7x more accurate. AK's are perfect for combat accuracy. War is not static, fire and maneuver is what wins the fight. Better ergo, accuracy, modularity, range and recoil manageability, lethality, and battery of operations means nothing if your weapon malfunctions 15 yards from the enemy.
5.56 fragments only at velocity at or above 2800fps which with a 20'' bbl would be about 180yards, with a 16'' bbl around 120yards and with a 14.5'' 90-100yards, and with a 10'' bbl the muzzle velocity is around 2100fps. 5.45 tumbles at all ranges and all velocities, out of a 8'' bbl 5.45 is 2500fps. In fact the Chinese tested their New rifle round against the 5.45 and 5.56 and found that 5.45 made the worst torso wounds within 90meters.
OK now i know why people are fighting this guy is talking hog shit your calling my fucking rifle a fag you cant hit shit with your gun dum ass your running up to fight me with an ak ill jsut stand back and let ur dum ass tun into my accurate fire :P
This is turning into a pissing contest here guys. I know esh likes the ak...good for you I like mine too..I know weaponear likes his ar so do I and it's my go to gun at that. Who cares who copied what. I'll still take dr facklers reports on terminal ballistics as a backdrop of what I choose ...I don't use Fmj in either unless I'm practicing.
@elox02 - I agree, but a correction. I like both the AR and the AK (as well as the Galil and Vz58). I modifiy my AR's as much as much as I modify my AK's because I view them as tools and each job needs the proper tool. But I do have issues with fan boys stating the AK is a better weapon, when the facts say otherwise. The AKM or AK74 are by far the best and most reliable in their price range, and dollar for dollar they are the most affordable military class weapon that lasts a lifetime.
People have been having this debate since Vietnam. The AK is a loose copy of a Nazi weapon the MP-44. Both the AK and M-16/AR-15 have their good and bad points. I have never had any reliability or accuracy problems in either the M-16/AR-15 or the AKs myself. The Israelis took the best features of both and developed the Galil. In fact the Galil takes features from several weapons.
You claimed the AK was developed from the StG-44/MP43/44, it did not. All modern assualt rifles were INFLUENCED, but the AK has almost nothing in common with the StG44.
@weaponeer the only difference is it "tumbles" twice before exiting (on thick targets can't remember the depth off te top of my head) where the spamcan milsurp 7.62x39 just flips around ass end once. Try going to the top 10 videos you'll find more like him and worse. I guess I like to torture myself when I go on those.
@elox02 - The 55 gr was designed to tumble and break up at at approx 4 inches, and in doing so expends all it's energy on the target. the breakup tends to cause 3 wound channels and massive temp stretch cavity. The Hague Conventions (we were not a signer) stated no exposed lead, but it did not state a bullet could not break up. the problem with the Russian's was the bullets were poorly designed, and the rifles performance suffered as a result.
@weaponeer these videos and comments make me never want to have kids. They post like they are experts and never even handled the weapons then act like you shit on there mom when you correct them. That's YouTube for ya. Instead of maybe learning something from someone with a ton of experience you having a lot more then me. They get angry and have a temper tantrum.
@elox02 - I agree. It's the fanboy syndrome. I bother to comment on the subject (knowing I'll get flammed) to correct a lot of the BS propaganda, with facts people can test. it's better to know your rifles limits than assume it's magical because the propaganda says so. I see weapons only as designs and it's interesting to see how countries solve the same basic problems. some are great ideas, and others.. well they need a little help. I like the AK and AR and have over 5 of each.
@weaponeer Are you sure you're not full of propaganda yourself? Why did you go out of your way to say Russians have a history of copying things, but then you later admit to me that America has done the same? So in your eyes, when Russia uses somebody else's idea, It's "copying". But when America does it, it's just "Building upon other countries advancements."
@esh325 - Because Russia has been known to clone weapons and parts using other countries advancements much like a parasite. there is a difference between a clone and building apon the advances of others. such as direct copies of the British jet engines, direct copies of the US B29's on loan to the USSR during WWII and on and on. it's one thing to use the idea of making a SMG drum magazine, and another of cloning the Finnish M31 Suomi Drum for use with the PPSh41. Thats a big difference.
@weaponeer The US military has/had plenty of unimproved copies in its arsenal. The P17 was nothing but a copy of the P14 just in 30/06 really. Was that an improvement? Or what about the M249? Just a Belgian machine gun.
@esh325 - P17 is not the correct designation, the correct designation is M1917 Enfield, which was only a war production of the 1914 Enfield converted to 30.06 to supplement the M1903 during WWI. it was not a design development of a weapon, much like the S&W Model 3 used by the Russian Empire,
But its not a COPY. Copy means to copy, the M1917/P17 started as a P14, but was modified to fire a different round, different sighting system, different stock, different bolt and a few other things. A Copy means just that a COPY.
I like the first 30-seconds of the video the best! BTW I own all three calibers myself, and if anybody was to get hit with any one of them, within 200-yards, theyd be moving in with the worms.
@weaponeer I own several of both and love shooting them. My go to is an AR. You say you prefer something better (showing facts and also preference why) and they think you went to there house and punched there mom in the face because you prefer there favorite COD weapon.
@weaponeer thank you! You do realize that even though you build rifles the Internet, Wikipedia commandos know more then you. Ive built an ak from a pre-stamped receiver but I find it easier to build an AR and have built 3 for LEO buddies patrol rifles and several more for myself. I test ammo and read on the performance of specific ammo loads before buying but we don't know shit and history channel wikiheads know more.
@elox02 - lol, so true the COD warriors think they know something. My original AK flat bending jig died after bending about 100 AK flats, so I have a new one that I had been using, but I have also built with registers AK receivers as well. I have never bought an AR, but I lost qount on how many I have built through the military and after. I only have 5 personal AR's right now, but I have another 10 sequentially SN'd AR lowers for future builds for testing and shooting. I have 5.56, 5.7, and 6.5
@esh325 - once again you cannot help but distort the facts (thats what people do that are having a fit because they cannot handle being wrong). My statement (which stands) is the Vz58, is a variant of the AK47, (which is a fact, by definition, and example). The Czech designers eliminated many of the design defects from the AK, mainly the FCG and the piston, and actually changed little. The USSR modified the AK to remove the FCG issue etc, and renamed the rifle the AKM with the M= modernized
@SooSneeky your right I wouldn't want to be hit by any rnd. But the 7.62x39 isn't fucking magical. It's bi metal jacket tends to not deform or fragment and just turn around as it goes straight through. It's a slow moving heavy bullet. 5.56 tends to yaw and fragment at the cannelure creating a larger permanent cavity and multiple wound Channels. I didn't make this shit up read up on Dr. Facklers reports on terminal ballistics. The short case bi metal mil 7.62x39 isn't a magical lighting bolt th
@SooSneaky your right I wouldn't want to be hit by any rnd. But the 7.62x39 isn't fucking magical. It's bi metal jacket tends to not deform or fragment and just turn around as it goes straight through. It's a slow moving heavy bullet. 5.56 tends to yaw and fragment at the cannelure creating a larger permanent cavity and multiple wound Channels. I didn't make this shit up read up on Dr. Facklers reports on terminal ballistics. The short case bi metal mil 7.62x39 isn't a magical lighting bolt th
@elox02 - I wish more people would read the facts of the 7.62x39, and understand why Russia dropped it while the Vietnam was was still going on (after seeing the effects). terminal ballistics is a fact, and much of what people know of the AK is simple propaganda. it's not a terrible rifle or ammunition (7.62x39 or 5.45x39) otherwise I would not have 5+ of them, but you need to know it's limits.
Im sorry but you keep saying the 7.62 is terrible but if that thing hit you you would go down pretty fucking hard, it doesnt need to tumble because it blows you apart instead.
@SooSneeky - actually your wrong. you are talking about movie ballistics and not real world terminal ballistics. The 7.62x39 FMJ has unimpressive terminal ballistics, and it does not "blow you apart" there is a reason the majority of our troops that are shot, survive. yet a center mass shot by the 5.56mm of the proper velocity, hits the body, tumbles and breaks apart with the effect of a small explosion of the bullet within the body, and survivability is not great without specialized care.
@esh325 similar is not the same, the 5.56 is MUCH longer than a 22 lr , thus it leaves a wider wound track when yawing, in fact it acts much like a 5.45 when it impacts a soft target below its reliable fragmentation threshold. look up a 5.56x45 fragmentation threshold chart to see the maximum range for reliable fragmentation with differant loadings and various barrel lengths
@weaponeer I appreciate the facts but from personal experiences I have seen a 7.62 put down men/animals much better than a 5.56, but yes if you want someone to have serious internal issues then 5.56 is your answer
u get to the point at the end AK can only be copied you can never make a better gun than ak.
zazaibadmarsh 23 hours ago
what a biased cunt!!
zazaibadmarsh 23 hours ago
хули ты тут пиздишь, все итак знают АК лучше.
MrDrugmetall 2 days ago
It was designed to be HomoSexual..... lol lol lol :)
Psycolynch 2 days ago
WHAT A FAGUETTI RIFLE AR S BELONG IN SWAT TEAMS ONLY NOT IN DIRTY BATTLEFIELD ID RATHER USE MY MINI 14 HAN AN AR AK IS THE BEST
77MRVIC 3 days ago
your opinion is better than anybody else's in my opinion
NGG1ARSSMELLBAD 3 days ago
this dude is fucking hilarious
1989rjp 4 days ago
ak is always the best :)
PlayfulRobinho 4 days ago
best ak quote ever at 15:33
yourredcomrade717 1 week ago
What's a scouple
elox02 1 week ago
how come you always start your intro with ''Hey you little fags''
kemimonster 1 week ago
you think there are wars going on in south america? lol wrong part of the world my friend
spoonfork2knife 1 week ago
@spoonfork2knife
the narco war with the FARC in colombia, ya thats a pretty much a war so get your shit straight. there is no WAR in afghanistan there is an OCCUPATION
shits who look shit up on google or get their facts from the news piss me off. get your fucking shit straight
futurejarhead0311 1 week ago
AR is a rifle AK is a machine gun. military weapons tell the tail. M16 1 safe 2 semi 3 auto AK 1 safe 2 auto 3 semi. AK is a buck knife AR is a scouple! apples and oranges man!
johnnymagnum357 1 week ago
Ha this shit is dead on!
TigerEatsPenguin 2 weeks ago
bla-bla-bla, I want tra-ta-ta-ta-ta )
HEBOJIbHUK 2 weeks ago
what the hell does the cat in your vid ...
TheCuteRat 2 weeks ago
you are a dumb ass fag man hor if you didn't know you can get difrent caliper's for ypur ar15 like ma ar15 7.62 x 39 or u should of named the video ar15 223 vs ak 47 faggot
DlevesqueMX3 2 weeks ago
лутше КАЛАШНИКОВА нет автомата
dima09ish 3 weeks ago
Everything was pretty even till the last 30 seconds. Then you did what I hoped you would and claimed the AK the winner.
LethalX27 3 weeks ago
1 second in and you insult your viewers fuck off
werre2 3 weeks ago
Grant it they are two rifles I have to deal with in my new crappy state but the BCM is a home build so ican remove the BB when out of state. I had to move for work but I'll be back out of this hell hole soon
elox02 3 weeks ago
Why don't you look before opening your fucking mouth
elox02 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank I have 3 crapy vids on my two latest firearms I built and purchased posted. I have more but waiting to go to the range to fire them instead of showcase them but I'll make some more if you like and even more when I go to my families place out of state....what fuckin videos do you have tool?
elox02 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank seeing as that this video has civ models in it and I also own several version of both what the fuck is your point? What the fuck do you do besides act like a 12 year old little bitch kid whose dad needs to beat the shit out of him? Your a fucking moron. Go back to video games games and pretending like you know something when you don't. Fucking idiot.
elox02 3 weeks ago
@elox02 You fucking idiot! Now go and make some video showing up your guns? Common moron do that. Show us what you got
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank fucking troll closeted dumb ass. All you talk about is gays. Go to a gay vid and post because that seems to be your thing.
elox02 3 weeks ago
@elox02 Another tipical secondhand civil spec semautomatic copy of homosexual AR owner!
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank your a moron "huhuhuhuh your gay huhuhuhuh" fucking dumbass with nothing to add about firearms because you know nothing about them and have to resort to name calling to make yourself feel smart or better....not to mention you really like talkin about gays.....interesting....you know that's a tell for being in the closet right. Your mom should have had an abortion.
elox02 3 weeks ago
@elox02 butthurt is spreading! common everybody! every gay american Wannabe-gun-profi are welcome!
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
Haha I fucking love you! By far the best comparison yet. The AK is a genius platform. Cokefag u da man
xsmj1986x 3 weeks ago
@xsmj1986x fucking moronic child
HunterKiller308 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank what's your infatuation with gays? Closet you want to come out of? What the fuck does any of what your dumb ass have said have to do with firearms....your just showing your a dumb fucking little boy with obvious sexual identity issues who has never touched or fired any of these weapons to for any type o educated opinion...go back to video games little boy.
elox02 3 weeks ago
@nicknuke7 don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of pussy antigun liberals either
elox02 3 weeks ago
@nicknuke7 way to add nothing about firearms on a firearms vid fucktard
elox02 3 weeks ago
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"let the asshurt begin" LMAOOO!!!! and your cat <3
nicknuke7 3 weeks ago
"let the asshurt begin" LMAOOO!!!! and you cat <3
nicknuke7 3 weeks ago
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TheBakki1989 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank you haven't fired shit and your bias retarded comment shows that you don't know shit about firearms you elites fuck
elox02 4 weeks ago
@elox02 another gay spotted
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
AR is homosexual gun. As the most americans are
TelPrank 4 weeks ago
@TelPrank ***As most liberal Californians are
nicknuke7 3 weeks ago
@TelPrank you are one stupid little shit with gay on the brain. i bet your a closet fag. you dont know shit about firearms, that buch is obvious
HunterKiller308 3 weeks ago
@HunterKiller308 another bad GAY nine o'clock! take cover everybody !
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
@HunterKiller308 whats up pussyboy huh? wanna talk bout guns heeee? not today biatch not today
TelPrank 3 weeks ago
@ANiceGunner Thanks. I'm not an expert, but I try to get my info straight. I forgot to mention this, but perhaps the only way you could reliably hit out to 500 yards with an AK is to zero your scope to shoot dead on at 500 yards. and rely on your sights for close up. Still, it's kind of ridiculous to go through that trouble though.
esh325 1 month ago
@ANiceGunner I can't really think out any realistic situation where somebody would need to shoot an Elk at 500 yards with an AK. If I was starving and needed to shoot an elk at for food, I would not do it at 500 yards. I would get much closer. It would be completely foolish to try and shoot an elk at 500 yards with an AK.
esh325 1 month ago
@ANiceGunner I'm not saying it's impossible to hit with an AK out to that distance, but it will be very difficult. The 7.62x39 has a lot of drop at that distance. 50+ inches of drop I believe. You'll have to get very creative on how you'll compensate for 50+ inches of drop. I don't think a 7.62x39 will reliably kill an Elk at that distance. An AK-74 would be probably be much better for 500 yard shots. A 5.45x39 probably won't reliably kill an elk at that distance either though.
esh325 1 month ago
@ANiceGunner The AK wasn't made to take elk down at 500 yards.
esh325 1 month ago
dude,Are you 5 years old or what...?
EnBoksBrus 1 month ago
@packr72 dude calm the fuck down! the reason americans killed more is because americans kick ass!
Stealingmonwh11 1 month ago
not a combat rifle, god you dumb hick you give americans a bad name, guess what that sissy rifle outperformed the ak in terms that more vietnamese died using ak's than us soldiers died using the m16, same story in both iraq wars and afganistan, and dumbass the 5.45 may have less recoil than the 5.56, but when fired from an ak, the gun will have more recoil and climb, the m16 doesn't do that due to it's superior design, and the m16a4 has almost no reliability problems at all.
packr72 1 month ago
@packr72 The kill ratio being in our favor has a lot more to it then just M16's. They didn't have air superiority or firepower we had. They didn't have the medical aid we had. The muzzle brake AK-74 is fitted with may give it less recoil then an AR15.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 a muzzle brake wouldn't help. the hump on the ak gives it it's recoil, the vietnamese had an airforce, they had artillery, they had tanks, the only thing they lacked was a real navy, and firefights b/w the us and nva were massacres without air support, their were no laser guided bombs or many smart munitions, tv guided missiles was the best we had, for the most part we just dropped dumb bombs with naplam on the nva
packr72 1 month ago
@packr72 The muzzle brake is going to do its job regardless of the "hump" you speak of. If the muzzle brake wasn't effective, then they wouldn't using it. NVA had all those things, but we had triple the amount of them. The NVA had to borrow a lot of its equipment from China and Russia. The NVA didn't have helicoptors to counter ours.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 not really, main us forces, tanks, planes, artillery, was located in western europe and in the us, we never had more than a million men in country, most of the us tanks were older m48 pattons and the m41 light tank, and helicopters dont dogfight other helicopters, the vietnamese had more triple AAA guns than the germans did in ww2, plus modern russian sams that we couldn't bomb due to politics, china and russia threw arms at the NVA
packr72 1 month ago
the ak(7.62 by 39) round will just "sail right through you" uh...never heard of cavitation aparently? plus heavier bullets can equal more knockdown/fight stopping power but people seem to like the 5.45
justinml8719 1 month ago
@justinml8719 look at a ballistic profile chart, the 5.56x45 will make a cavity many times larger than the 7.62x39 withing proper fragmentation thresholds
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
Dude, are you high on crack? Your facts are totally skewed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
k6fq 1 month ago
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This is one of the most retarded videos on You Tube. Seriously.
And get some counselling to deal with your suppressed latent homosexual tendencies and phobia
tpd223 1 month ago
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tpd223 1 month ago
AR is a homosexual gun, as the most americans are
TelPrank 1 month ago
@TelPrank Dude, yours is the dumb ass comment of the week.
The AR system is one of the longest live and best performing military weapon systems ever built. Even folks who normally get issued AKs choose and AR when given the choice.
tpd223 1 month ago
@tpd223 OMG another homo appeared
TelPrank 1 month ago
@TelPrank You must be referring to the guy that made this video.
Voice like a wanna be clown and child molester.
tpd223 1 month ago
the AK-47 has killed more people than anyone in history-i doubt that was all from random cover fire shots
justinml8719 1 month ago
@justinml8719 Probably not.
Wasn't around for WWII, and the vast majority of the folks killed by the Russians were other Russians, pistol shot to the back of the head or firing squad.
tpd223 1 month ago
@tpd223 ya but since vietnam or so tons of countries all over the world have adopted the ak-it has seen a lot of war
justinml8719 1 month ago
@justinml8719 True, but people have AKs because they were given away by the Russians by the ship load.
tpd223 1 month ago
omg ak does not win in recoil u trippin
IOwnNoobsish 1 month ago
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@IOwnNoobsish AK 74s have less recoil than the AR does, the AR produces 5.3 Joules of recoil. AK in 5.45 only produces 3.9 joules of energy all. AK bolt has roughly 5oz more of moving mass.There are multiple manufactures that develop heavier bolt carriers for the AR to help reduce recoil, and give it longer dwell time.. In this case heavier is better. Look at the formula to calculate kinetic energy...
antiigravity 1 month ago
@reeseman67 I actually run a 14.5" midlegth with NiB m16 carrier T1 buffer
elox02 1 month ago
'all the AK is is a bullet hose. you feed it ammo, you lay down suppressive fire, it doesn't quit, it always runs and every now and then you'll kill somebody with it."
best description of the ak i have ever heard.
LooksLegitBro 1 month ago
@LooksLegitBro "...AK is a big, bad ass, loose tolerance, reliable, unstoppable, ammunition guzzling BEAST...VS AR is a just a freely, little-girly, aluminum, law-enforcement rifle. AR is not a combat rifle..it was designed to be faggotty, streamer gun...and light weight, and homosexual. And if I dropped it from as high as 3ft high, guess what would happen?? AK is a mud gun, AR is an accuracy-fat gun. AK is a 'get the job done' gun."
best description of the ar i have ever heard.
antiigravity 1 month ago 2
@antiigravity You haven't visited reality much lately, have you?
tpd223 1 month ago
@antiigravity Larry Vickers dropped an m4 from a helicopter, blew it up, shot it with a shotgun, ran over it with a couple hummers, dumped it in mud, water, and it shot with only one malfunction after the explosion. The only things that broke were the aimpoint sight's rear lens and a mag after the explosion. Seems pretty reliable to me and If the ar platform wasn't designed for combat our u.s. military/nato wouldn't be using them.
therealist1057 1 month ago
@therealist1057 dont bother man, that antigavity shithead is hopeless
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@therealist1057 I'm not saying everything in that video is completely made up or impossible to do with a M4, but Larry Vickers was paid by the Daniel Defense to do that video.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 The fact that he was paid doesn't make the video fake.
therealist1057 1 month ago
What the difference between ak47 an ak74?
WHERESAMERICAGOIN 1 month ago
@WHERESAMERICAGOIN Ak-47 shoots a 7.62x39 bullet, the Ak-74 shoots a 5.45x39
IStabApplejacks 1 month ago
I like your work bench
greatwhitetailhunter 1 month ago
I made a quote, "The M16 platform is why the United States Military requires a high school diploma."
Cigarsoapbox 1 month ago
@Cigarsoapbox lol I like that. That's funny.
bigstabby 1 month ago
Pmags, midy gas length system, 5 coil extractors with o ring , heavier buffer to slow it down.....problem solved
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 AGREED!!! Mid-Length is WHAT THE 16" barrel SHOULD HAVE!! That gas system, extractor upgrade, heavier buffer (if needed) and now that the EXO BCG's are cheaper and are still MPI/MPT/shot peened, Mil-Spec PLUS permanent lube... The STANDARD D.I. AR has the capability to REALLY increase reliability w/the new technologies abounding. I don't know why the military doesn't add 1.5"'s of barrel, go Middy, which is bayonet capable, :-), and give the 7" gas system of the 14.5" M4 a REST!
reeseman67 1 month ago
2. The M16 originally used a 20-round magazine which was later replaced by a bent 30-round design. As a result, the magazine follower tends to rock or tilt, causing malfunctions. The M16's magazine is made of light weight pressed/stamped aluminum. Therefore, it is easier to damage than an AK-47 magazine as the feed lips are proportionally weaker when compared to the AK-47.
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity STOP COPY AND PASTING ALL THAT OUT DATED BULLSHIT
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@antiigravity You apparently think that all magazines for the M4/M16/AR15 are stamped aluminum, they're not. There are steel and polymer and with the magazines you can get today, follower tilt is a non-existent problem.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I am totally aware of this fact. The reason I made that example of crappy AR mags is to show the core developmental problems with AR that are still not solved, those problems were pretty much non existent with AK platform. And even now the polymer and metal AR mags you're referring to, are not as durable and thick as real AK mags anyway.
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity P-Mags are better than AK mags, especially the steel AK mags.
tpd223 1 month ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Watch this torture test conducted by Russian Military - M-16A1 vs AK-74M, the STEEL Military grade M-16 mags got screwed falling from 3ft high LMAO: /watch?v=kNbF8_u98g4
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity Military doesn't issue steel magazines last I checked. I'll send you a video of an AR 15 torture test where the magazine, along with the rest of the gun, were 100% even at the end.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR LMAO That's not a freaking torture test..it's a joke, a commercial - for naive inexperienced civilians. Taping the muzzle before submerging the rifle into water? o_O ? Sprinkling dirt on the rifle with the ejection cover closed? Sand and small rocks is what responsible for a lot of stoppages on AR. The gooey substance that forms from lube, debris and return gasses. Dropping AR onto wet soft grass? o_O ? Like I said it's commercial to get sales for DanielDefence!
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity Would you rather land on wet soft grass from over 100 feet in the air or concrete from 3 feet? Do the math fanboy.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@antiigravity Oh yeah, I addressed the muzzle thing in the private message but I'll do so here. A lot of special forces and military personal tape or cover the muzzle of their rifle, they've been doing it since World War II. I'll also say it here, my AR 15 hasn't been lubed in over two years and not cleaned after shooting sometimes and yet I still haven't a single jam from it. You claim design flaws such as the two pins holding it together, when has that ever failed?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@antiigravity Comment Continued: I would that in over 50 years of service, that little "design flaw" as you call it would have shown to be true. The military would have replaced it if it was a problem. SOCOM tried the SCAR-L for awhile which is supposed to be more reliable but they dropped it and went back to the M4. The M4's receiver is actually stronger that the AK's 1mm thick steel receiver. You're talking biased opinions that don't have much fact backing them up.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 1 month ago
@antiigravity The US Army uses aluminium magazines bone head. Get you facts straight.
AAAAAnd, so what? stupid point.
tpd223 1 month ago
AR Magazines:
1. A major but often overlooked factor in a firearm's reliability is the design of its magazine. The AK-47’s magazine has a pronounced curve which allows it to smoothly feed ammunition into the chamber. Its heavy steel construction combined with "feed-lips" (the surfaces at the top of the magazine that control the angle at which the cartridge enters the chamber) machined from a single steel billet makes it highly resistant to damage. This makes the AK-47 magazine more reliable.
antiigravity 1 month ago
More M4 Junk:
After the introduction of the M4 Carbine, it was found that the shorter barrel length of 14.5 inches also has a negative effect on reliability, as the gas port is located closer to the chamber than the gas port of the standard length M16 rifle: 7.5 inches instead of the 13 inches. This effects the M4’s timing and increases the amount of stress and heat on the critical components, thereby reducing reliability.
antiigravity 1 month ago
The "accessory rail" is also considered unsafe to use after the weapon has been fired for prolonged periods as enough heat, to melt flesh, will transfer from the receiver to the handle. More importantly, with the sight plane 2.5 in (63.5 mm) over the bore, the M16 has an inherent parallax problem that can be confounding to shooters. At closer ranges (typically inside 15–20 meters), the shooter must aim high in order to place shots where desired.
antiigravity 1 month ago
We left with 72 men in our platoon and came back with 19, Believe it or not, you know what killed most of us? Our own rifle. Practically every one of our dead was found with his M16 torn down next to him where he had been trying to fix it.
- Marine Corps Rifleman, Vietnam.
antiigravity 1 month ago
AR failure to extract:
The first issues of the rifle generated considerable controversy because the gun suffered from a jamming flaw known as “failure to extract,” which meant that a spent cartridge case remained lodged in the chamber after a bullet flew out the muzzle. According to a congressional report, the jamming was caused primarily by a change in gunpowder which was done without adequate testing and reflected a decision for which the safety of soldiers was a secondary consideration.
antiigravity 1 month ago
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High ARs with match grade barrels don't last very long, AK 74s have less recoil than the AR does, the AR produces 5.3 Joules of recoil. AK in 5.45 only produces 3.9 joules of energy all. AK bolt has roughly 5oz more of moving mass.There are multiple manufactures that develop heavier bolt carriers for the AR to help reduce recoil, and give it longer dwell time.. In this case heavier is better. Look at the formula to calculate kinetic energy...
antiigravity 1 month ago
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Anything smaller than a .243 is illegal to hunt 150 lbs deer with in most states. yet 7.62x39 is sufficient to down a deer.
antiigravity 1 month ago
@EvilxMerlin I like the sig but its pretty heavy for a 5.56 rifle...I was looking into one for a while. The Railed ones I like but the ones I've handled had plastic hand guards and they moved around a lot and "felt cheap" Other then that I liked the rifle and almost pirchased it (decent price point) but decided on building yet another AR.
elox02 1 month ago
@Hunterkiller308 yeah I purchased some of that Z-max stuff lol basically V-max with a puke green tip and a cool box lol. The 7N6 is the better of the mil ammo but vmax is a great 5.45 load. 7N6 yaws a bit quicker but still no fragmentation. That's the full steel core one correct? I just have 1500 rds of 53gr spamcan brown paper wrapped milsurp and 200 rds vmax.
elox02 1 month ago
The 5.45x39.5mm doesn't typically give much fragmentation, it DOES provide quicker and more reliable yawing (typically) out of a 16" AK-74, vs a 16" AR. A lot has to do with the Bi-Metal jacket's often used. The 7n6 round is the 'best of the bunch' as far as accuracy and yawing. My AR (7 lb stock) weighs about the exact same as my SGL21(7.3lbs bone stock). AK-74 might weigh a bit more though having a VERY similar barrel profile(w/a .221 bore vs .311). Thank's for using -74 as a VS AR-15 vid!
reeseman67 1 month ago
@reeseman67 LMFAO, try looking up a 5.56 fragmentation threshold chart before posting bullshit next time
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@HunterKiller308 Didn't say a thing about the 5.56x45mm's effectiveness, just that the 7N6 5.45mm is a LOT less velocity reliant for it's 'yawing' effect, whereas the 5.56mm is VERY velocity dependent for it's fragmentation effect which you obviously are familiar with... So, WTF are you talking about, 'BTW The best of the bunch' refers to different 5.45mm projectiles, NOT 5.56mm. Didnt say one's better than another, try and actually READ the posts before telling us how wrong it is!!
reeseman67 1 month ago
@reeseman67 actually Tula or Brown Bear 5.45 FMJ will do more damage than 7n6 since they have lead cores, thus they will deform much more than that steel core 7n6
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@antigravity my problem with piston ARs to the T. I have read the fragment threshold is more along the lines of 2700fps but 100 fps who cares...but heavier (75-77gr) black hills and Seirra match king rounds have a lower frag threshold of 2300-2500fps. Being a civilian I run OTM or SP rounds in 5.56 and heavier 154 gr SP in 7.62x39 exclusively.
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 the main reasons i dont care for piston ARs myself are that the whole front end of the rifle heats up like a bastard, you can get a pretty nasty burn if you touch the gas regulator with bare skin after a few mags of rapid fire.
the piston also makes the gun front heavy, thus it is slower to swing into action
if i was to get a piston gun i would want one built that way from the ground up, ...not some retro fit job.....an H&K would be really nice
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@HunterKiller308
Thats why I have my Sig 556. THats my piston gun. 100% more accurate than any AK out of the box, and is a well made rifle.
EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
@elox02 you just gotta love a 77 gr. OTM, that baby will fragment out to 210 yards reliably...and thats usually more range than you need. ( its funny how alot of AK fanboys thing accuracy and range mean the same thing ) i cant find much information on the new M855A1, but i know it was designed specifically for the M4 so it stands to reason it must have a low frag threshold as well
ya know that V-MAX really makes me like the 7.62x39 allot more...makes me overlook its various short comings
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
2. where as any malfunction with the direct-impingement system can be fixed by the end user in field. The second is that gas piston alternatives use an off-axis operation of the piston that can introduce carrier tilt, whereby the bolt carrier fails to enter the buffer tube at a straight angle resulting in part wearing. The third is that the use of a sound suppressor results in hot gases entering the chamber, regardless of a direct-gas impingement or gas piston design choice.
antiigravity 1 month ago
Gas Piston AR's:
1. Complicating the Army search for higher reliability in the M4 is a number of observations of M4 gas piston alternatives that suffer unintended design problems. The first is that many of the gas piston modifications for the M4 isolate the piston so that piston jams or related malfunction require the entire weapon be disassembled, such dis-assembly cannot be performed by the end user and requires a qualified armorer to perform out of field,
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity seems to be out dated info, on most piston driven ARs you can pull the entire pistion assembly right out of the front of the gun and the carrier tilt problem has been rectified in quality models such as LWRC
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
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3. By contrast, soldiers armed with rapid fire weapons were much more likely to have fired their weapons in battle. These conclusions suggested that infantry should be equipped with a fully automatic rifle of some sort in order to increase the actual firepower of regular soldiers.
antiigravity 1 month ago
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2. They also found that the chance of being hit in combat was essentially random; accurate "aiming" made little difference because the targets no longer sat still. The number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired. Other studies of behavior in battle revealed that many U.S. infantrymen (as many as 2/3) never actually fired their rifles in combat.
antiigravity 1 month ago
Project SALVO
1. In 1948, the Army organized the civilian Operations Research Office. Operations Research Office. Over 3 million battlefield reports from World War I and World War II were analyzed and over the next few years they released a series of reports on their findings. The conclusion was that most combat takes place at short range. In a highly mobile war, combat teams ran into each other largely by surprise; and the team with the higher firepower tended to win.
antiigravity 1 month ago
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Our military purchases M4s from colt for $1799, Izhmash sells brand new AK-100 series rifles for $160 USD, You cant tell me its 7x more accurate. AK's are perfect for combat accuracy. War is not static, fire and maneuver is what wins the fight. Better ergo, accuracy, modularity, range and recoil manageability, lethality, and battery of operations means nothing if your weapon malfunctions 15 yards from the enemy.
antiigravity 1 month ago
@antiigravity
No, AK's are NOT perfect for combat accuracy. They have WAY too much slop in the build.
EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
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5.56 fragments only at velocity at or above 2800fps which with a 20'' bbl would be about 180yards, with a 16'' bbl around 120yards and with a 14.5'' 90-100yards, and with a 10'' bbl the muzzle velocity is around 2100fps. 5.45 tumbles at all ranges and all velocities, out of a 8'' bbl 5.45 is 2500fps. In fact the Chinese tested their New rifle round against the 5.45 and 5.56 and found that 5.45 made the worst torso wounds within 90meters.
antiigravity 1 month ago
fuck you the ak rules
:)
1eltortas 1 month ago
damn, this is some of the most intelligent conversation i have seen on any AK vs AR vids in a while
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@HunterKiller308 I'm always stiring up the pot... lol
weaponeer 1 month ago
OK now i know why people are fighting this guy is talking hog shit your calling my fucking rifle a fag you cant hit shit with your gun dum ass your running up to fight me with an ak ill jsut stand back and let ur dum ass tun into my accurate fire :P
vkigo3 1 month ago
dam why must you people right so much and why is he calling me names?
vkigo3 1 month ago
This is turning into a pissing contest here guys. I know esh likes the ak...good for you I like mine too..I know weaponear likes his ar so do I and it's my go to gun at that. Who cares who copied what. I'll still take dr facklers reports on terminal ballistics as a backdrop of what I choose ...I don't use Fmj in either unless I'm practicing.
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 - I agree, but a correction. I like both the AR and the AK (as well as the Galil and Vz58). I modifiy my AR's as much as much as I modify my AK's because I view them as tools and each job needs the proper tool. But I do have issues with fan boys stating the AK is a better weapon, when the facts say otherwise. The AKM or AK74 are by far the best and most reliable in their price range, and dollar for dollar they are the most affordable military class weapon that lasts a lifetime.
weaponeer 1 month ago
Amen to that!
ZuperZeize 1 month ago
People have been having this debate since Vietnam. The AK is a loose copy of a Nazi weapon the MP-44. Both the AK and M-16/AR-15 have their good and bad points. I have never had any reliability or accuracy problems in either the M-16/AR-15 or the AKs myself. The Israelis took the best features of both and developed the Galil. In fact the Galil takes features from several weapons.
quimbyt 1 month ago
@quimbyt
No its not. The SKS is, the AK is NOT.
EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
@EvilxMerlin What are you talking about ?
quimbyt 1 month ago
@EvilxMerlin
You claimed the AK was developed from the StG-44/MP43/44, it did not. All modern assualt rifles were INFLUENCED, but the AK has almost nothing in common with the StG44.
EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
that ak looks nice !
MP44StG44Page 1 month ago
@weaponeer my 2 arsenals have those
elox02 1 month ago
@weaponeer the only difference is it "tumbles" twice before exiting (on thick targets can't remember the depth off te top of my head) where the spamcan milsurp 7.62x39 just flips around ass end once. Try going to the top 10 videos you'll find more like him and worse. I guess I like to torture myself when I go on those.
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 - The 55 gr was designed to tumble and break up at at approx 4 inches, and in doing so expends all it's energy on the target. the breakup tends to cause 3 wound channels and massive temp stretch cavity. The Hague Conventions (we were not a signer) stated no exposed lead, but it did not state a bullet could not break up. the problem with the Russian's was the bullets were poorly designed, and the rifles performance suffered as a result.
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer these videos and comments make me never want to have kids. They post like they are experts and never even handled the weapons then act like you shit on there mom when you correct them. That's YouTube for ya. Instead of maybe learning something from someone with a ton of experience you having a lot more then me. They get angry and have a temper tantrum.
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 - I agree. It's the fanboy syndrome. I bother to comment on the subject (knowing I'll get flammed) to correct a lot of the BS propaganda, with facts people can test. it's better to know your rifles limits than assume it's magical because the propaganda says so. I see weapons only as designs and it's interesting to see how countries solve the same basic problems. some are great ideas, and others.. well they need a little help. I like the AK and AR and have over 5 of each.
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer Are you sure you're not full of propaganda yourself? Why did you go out of your way to say Russians have a history of copying things, but then you later admit to me that America has done the same? So in your eyes, when Russia uses somebody else's idea, It's "copying". But when America does it, it's just "Building upon other countries advancements."
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 - Because Russia has been known to clone weapons and parts using other countries advancements much like a parasite. there is a difference between a clone and building apon the advances of others. such as direct copies of the British jet engines, direct copies of the US B29's on loan to the USSR during WWII and on and on. it's one thing to use the idea of making a SMG drum magazine, and another of cloning the Finnish M31 Suomi Drum for use with the PPSh41. Thats a big difference.
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer The US military has/had plenty of unimproved copies in its arsenal. The P17 was nothing but a copy of the P14 just in 30/06 really. Was that an improvement? Or what about the M249? Just a Belgian machine gun.
esh325 1 month ago
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EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
@esh325 - P17 is not the correct designation, the correct designation is M1917 Enfield, which was only a war production of the 1914 Enfield converted to 30.06 to supplement the M1903 during WWI. it was not a design development of a weapon, much like the S&W Model 3 used by the Russian Empire,
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer P17, you get the point. It was a copy. That's the point. Like say the M240.
esh325 1 month ago
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But its not a COPY. Copy means to copy, the M1917/P17 started as a P14, but was modified to fire a different round, different sighting system, different stock, different bolt and a few other things. A Copy means just that a COPY.
EvilxMerlin 1 month ago
i love the ar
abdulzahirmujaab 1 month ago
I like the first 30-seconds of the video the best! BTW I own all three calibers myself, and if anybody was to get hit with any one of them, within 200-yards, theyd be moving in with the worms.
JTSA58 1 month ago
@weaponeer I own several of both and love shooting them. My go to is an AR. You say you prefer something better (showing facts and also preference why) and they think you went to there house and punched there mom in the face because you prefer there favorite COD weapon.
elox02 1 month ago
@weaponeer thank you! You do realize that even though you build rifles the Internet, Wikipedia commandos know more then you. Ive built an ak from a pre-stamped receiver but I find it easier to build an AR and have built 3 for LEO buddies patrol rifles and several more for myself. I test ammo and read on the performance of specific ammo loads before buying but we don't know shit and history channel wikiheads know more.
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 - lol, so true the COD warriors think they know something. My original AK flat bending jig died after bending about 100 AK flats, so I have a new one that I had been using, but I have also built with registers AK receivers as well. I have never bought an AR, but I lost qount on how many I have built through the military and after. I only have 5 personal AR's right now, but I have another 10 sequentially SN'd AR lowers for future builds for testing and shooting. I have 5.56, 5.7, and 6.5
weaponeer 1 month ago
@elox02 Weaponeer is into misinformation and distorting the facts. He thinks the VZ 58 is an AK.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 - once again you cannot help but distort the facts (thats what people do that are having a fit because they cannot handle being wrong). My statement (which stands) is the Vz58, is a variant of the AK47, (which is a fact, by definition, and example). The Czech designers eliminated many of the design defects from the AK, mainly the FCG and the piston, and actually changed little. The USSR modified the AK to remove the FCG issue etc, and renamed the rifle the AKM with the M= modernized
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer I've been over the VZ 58 thing too many times with you. I will talk to you about anything else, but I'm done talking about the VZ 58.
esh325 1 month ago
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@SooSneeky your right I wouldn't want to be hit by any rnd. But the 7.62x39 isn't fucking magical. It's bi metal jacket tends to not deform or fragment and just turn around as it goes straight through. It's a slow moving heavy bullet. 5.56 tends to yaw and fragment at the cannelure creating a larger permanent cavity and multiple wound Channels. I didn't make this shit up read up on Dr. Facklers reports on terminal ballistics. The short case bi metal mil 7.62x39 isn't a magical lighting bolt th
elox02 1 month ago
@SooSneaky your right I wouldn't want to be hit by any rnd. But the 7.62x39 isn't fucking magical. It's bi metal jacket tends to not deform or fragment and just turn around as it goes straight through. It's a slow moving heavy bullet. 5.56 tends to yaw and fragment at the cannelure creating a larger permanent cavity and multiple wound Channels. I didn't make this shit up read up on Dr. Facklers reports on terminal ballistics. The short case bi metal mil 7.62x39 isn't a magical lighting bolt th
elox02 1 month ago
@elox02 - I wish more people would read the facts of the 7.62x39, and understand why Russia dropped it while the Vietnam was was still going on (after seeing the effects). terminal ballistics is a fact, and much of what people know of the AK is simple propaganda. it's not a terrible rifle or ammunition (7.62x39 or 5.45x39) otherwise I would not have 5+ of them, but you need to know it's limits.
weaponeer 1 month ago 6
Im sorry but you keep saying the 7.62 is terrible but if that thing hit you you would go down pretty fucking hard, it doesnt need to tumble because it blows you apart instead.
SooSneeky 1 month ago
@SooSneeky - actually your wrong. you are talking about movie ballistics and not real world terminal ballistics. The 7.62x39 FMJ has unimpressive terminal ballistics, and it does not "blow you apart" there is a reason the majority of our troops that are shot, survive. yet a center mass shot by the 5.56mm of the proper velocity, hits the body, tumbles and breaks apart with the effect of a small explosion of the bullet within the body, and survivability is not great without specialized care.
weaponeer 1 month ago
@weaponeer I have a report by Dr.Martin Fackler where he recalls the M193 doing wounds very similar to that of a .22 LR many times.
esh325 1 month ago
@esh325 similar is not the same, the 5.56 is MUCH longer than a 22 lr , thus it leaves a wider wound track when yawing, in fact it acts much like a 5.45 when it impacts a soft target below its reliable fragmentation threshold. look up a 5.56x45 fragmentation threshold chart to see the maximum range for reliable fragmentation with differant loadings and various barrel lengths
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@weaponeer I appreciate the facts but from personal experiences I have seen a 7.62 put down men/animals much better than a 5.56, but yes if you want someone to have serious internal issues then 5.56 is your answer
SooSneeky 1 month ago