@YOUNGSMASH20 Really? That's very interesting since I always find it is very dissimilar from other Mizong-quan forms I've seen. Where did you learn it?
@onyomi hey, case man...have you found any other videos that look like shifu's mizong? you're right, most look totally different than this. i, unsurprisingly, prefer this one.
i like the acrobatic techniques in the northern schools, the high jumping kicks develope strong flexible legs, while the spinning whirlwind kicks force you to develope better balance and concentration same with the other crazy techniques the shifu's tell you they are not combat techniques but are there to develope your flexibilty and leg power n endurance, to bad must people dont see that and think its there just to look pretty.
AWESOME! I want to learn Mizongyi as my idol Huo Yuanjia was a master of it. Having looked at the various videos of it on YouTube I really like the style(s) of it too xD 5/5...
I practise northern shaolin of ku ruzhangs 10 forms of shaolin, but one of the basic forms we do is called Luohan quan, i thought it was just another one of those lohan forms from shaolin, but turns out it was from the Mizongyi system and #13 in that styles forms called louhan quan, was huo yuan jias favorite mizong form. I really wanted to learn mizong quan too, but theres no schools here in vegas dat teach it, but im glad we get to study at least one of there forms, and 1 of huo's specialty 2!
a lot are quite similar, but different based on complexity. I've been doing Kung Fu since January, and I can see similarities in very basic stuff (stances, fist, closed palm, open palm, hook, etc.) between my first form and forms that the more experienced students are working on. And it would be impossible to learn all the styles in a lifetime, if you wanted to know. There are hundreds if not thousands of different styles.
I've often been noticing certain similarities between a lot of kung fu styles.
At around 26 seconds, his hand positioning reminds me of wing chun. Although you should be made aware I am very ignorant in my knowledge of wing chun and mizong quan so this is pretty much an amateur observation from what I have seen of wing chun.
I'm guessing that similarities between styles are probably indicative of a probable shaolin origin. But that is just my opinion.
if they were the same, there wouldnt be so many different names and style will there? come on man lol and noone knows how many styles exist in china....its a big place and was made up of hunderds of smaller kingdoms n states till they all formed china, its like a mini planet with the amount of people there 56 native groups in china over 1 billion people and so far well over 600 documented styles not counting the sub-branches. could be as high as 1000 but i doubt it, 600 is a fuckin alot.
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I wonder why sound effects have been added. I mean, if a martial art is sufficiently good enough then it shouldn't recuire added effects to make it look good.
Also, having sound effects doesn't mean it wouldn't look good on its own. Try watching it on mute and you'll see it's still excellent. He only adds sfx because he used to work in the Hong Kong film industry and is making this for a Chinese audience. He perceived that's what they liked and were accustomed to seeing, so he added them. I realize they sound kind of cheesy to the Western ear, but try looking past the surface for a moment, please...
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Its just that I study martial arts myself and I have been taught that its not matters on the outside when training a form, but what happens on the inside...Feeling, Power, Chi, Health. Listening to one's self.
I come from China, looked from his movement, indeed is the master. The MI ZONG QUAN meaning is: Did not know is Chinese boxing which who creates, also does not know in any place by secret inheriting.
"comes from Hong Kong Jingwu" Well for a start it should be called Mizong Yi then, not Mizong Quan (its a substyle of Mizong). Plus dont forget Huo was only at the school nine months before he died. Thirdly Doesn't this dude finish on a way differnent spot to where he started? Perhaps it would be useful to post the name of the form rather than just the style. Still guess a post in itself isn't a bad thing ;)
A lot of the arm techniques are soft, so the power is not apparent--however, he is always moving from his waist. In the ones with jin-dao, the power most certainly is reaching the arms.
Do you have any clips of Mizong fighting in a combat sport , possibly san shou or other uushu tournment pls. I dont mean to be rude I just want to learn more about this style .
It's kind of like square Bagua--that is, it's always maneuvering to the side and back of the opponent with deceptive footwork. It also has a lot of downward pressing-type moves and hard jin, attacking the hip frequently. Those moves where he rubs over his own arm are supposed to mimic advancing on the enemy and snaking your arm up his to attack. There's also a number of joint locks and throws in there if you know where to look.
Like most CMA, in a real fight the stances will be much higher and only drop low for a throw or other application. I haven't studied it enough myself to use it in sparring, but I have been on the receiving end and it feels like the opponent just disappears and reappears behind you. The forward skipping footwork is also very good at advancing on the opponent when combined with those arm-wrappning maneuvers--makes it very hard to defend.
I have no doubt the original form used by Huo Yuanjia works as he defeated western boxers and even judo! with this, what I'd really like to see is how it works in a real sparring match against a good kickboxer and judoka.
I'd like to see that too! Right now I'm more focused on Praying Mantis, but maybe one day I'll be able to focus on Mizong enough to really use it in sparring as well. The best would be to find an authentic Mizong teacher who does only Mizong and focuses more on sparring, 2-person drills, bag work, etc. Though Zhou Shifu's Mizong seems excellent from what he's showed me, the sparring method he teaches is Praying Mantis-based, so probably different from what Huo used.
love the video. Your Sifu is highly skilled...but In my style(eagle claw) we fight low as possible, well my Sifu does we try. Not arguing just talking tech.
I train Muay Thai and BJJ but I believe the power of deceptive moves and confusing footwork is valid to confuse your opponent. If some visionary and genius can distill from these forms what made Huo successful in real combat, Chinese Martial Arts will really come full circle then...
not to debate, but there are people who have, despite what BJJ and Muy Thai players like to think. Real Kung fu will always be misrepresented, because it's always been a secret, if people learned the orthodox, and used the unorthodox more people would be able to fight with it.
i study mi zhong lohan.. a variation of this style... this guy is amazing... Your assessment is down the right path with the left and right, joint locks, and rubs down the arm
This form can be divided into three distinct sections. The first is designed to train the breath and energy, and is very slow. The second is designed to trained the footwork and is somewhat faster. The third is to train fighting techniques and is performed fast.
Cool! I suppose that's the same way we (tanglangquan) learn/practice forms. Do you or does anyone else practice this style? btw, jkeit, I don't think the sound effects were added either, b/c he was in fact stomping.
Beautiful! I thought that mizouyi was a long fist style (not a tai chi form). Am I incorrect or is this just a slowed down version of the form? Aren't there 2+ other forms in this style? Either way, VERY NICE!
Mizong-quan is an unusual type of Longfist. You're right that it's a totally seperate style from Taiji, my shifu just groups them together on the website because they're more "internal," I suppose. There are a couple more forms in this Mizong system, he just chose this one to make a DVD because he thought it most representative. As you can see, it starts out very slow and then gradually becomes fast.
Its a wonderful video! Two questions, if I may... One, what is the name of this form? Two, is this the form that is taught on the DVD's advertised on your website (www.kungfuloung.com.tw)? Thanks for your information!
beautiflly done. ive been practicing mizong for about 6 months, i also praxctice wing chun. i used to to jeet kune do and many others but i liek mizong the best. wow that is quite amazing that he did it that well
I can certainly see where the "Lost Track" element comes in. If you applied some of those moves they'd be quite bewildering. Very cool to see a good internal/external vid.
This is an amzing video, I have never heard of this style. I am a Wing Tsun and Tai Chi martial artist, is there any teachers of this style in the U.S?
Great stuff ! I've been wanting to see this form for ages, this is a well known but not widely practised form. I'm glad I found it. The music , the backdrop is excellent, the picture is very clear. Most of all the form is great. Thumbs up for the sifu. Well done !
i Really Want to Learn this style :))))))))))))
GTX97HD 2 months ago
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fuck is this, some ching chong shit?
trollingtheweb 5 months ago
@trollingtheweb hahha ching chog shit.....this ching chong shit is one of the best style.....budalo
007Croat 1 month ago
Haha I like the sound efects, very funny, I also like the foot work and the fluid movements of the form.
joiskoo 7 months ago
CON ESTE KATA YO ME CONECTO CON DIOS Y LA NATURALEZA , ES UNA HERMOSURA
tusenplanet 8 months ago
@onyomi my wushu skool out here in arizona the 3rd of the curiculum is huo yuanjia lost track fist (mizong quan)
YOUNGSMASH20 9 months ago
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THIS IS THE SAME SYLE I DO
YOUNGSMASH20 9 months ago
THIS IS THE SAME FORM I DO
YOUNGSMASH20 9 months ago
@YOUNGSMASH20 Really? That's very interesting since I always find it is very dissimilar from other Mizong-quan forms I've seen. Where did you learn it?
onyomi 9 months ago
@onyomi hey, case man...have you found any other videos that look like shifu's mizong? you're right, most look totally different than this. i, unsurprisingly, prefer this one.
katsura1982 9 months ago
@onyomi where I can learn this style in china?
007Croat 1 month ago
that song makes feel relaxed is so beautiful and the form was very excellent i like this video ;)
Solmarlokascrew 10 months ago
Is this similar to tai chi, but only somewhat faster? Maybe some ba gua?
brucenatelee 11 months ago
@brucenatelee
Actually, it is considered a form of Longfist.
onyomi 11 months ago
@brucenatelee
Actually, it is considered a form of Longfist. Of course, some people consider Taiji to be form of Longfist as well, so...
onyomi 11 months ago
beautiful form
LOLittleHero 1 year ago
8 people will soon receive a visit from Huo Yuanjia...
SirDanOfHell 1 year ago
all the delicate footwork i see why its called lost tracks hell i would be tripping myself up trying to do the forms....lol
blacksammohung 1 year ago
Uh...Just asking...is Mizongquan practical in conflicts?
ShowMeYaVids 1 year ago
@ShowMeYaVids dumbass question
Plotcontenidos 1 year ago
@ShowMeYaVids Yes, because it teaches you the ancient secrets of fireball ass shooting.
Plotcontenidos 1 year ago
@ShowMeYaVids
Go watch the movie Fearless by jet lee (2006)
Jet lee acts as the Wushu master Huo Yuanjia in 1900s of China. Huo Yuanjia practices Mizongquan. So you get a basic idea what its like
superxinyang 1 year ago
so fluent, yet powerful.... this person understands how to be like water. :)
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
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I can see mizonquan applications you know of any video??
TheChipendale 1 year ago
this is the style of huo jia yuen?
TheChipendale 1 year ago
@TheChipendale Huo Yuanjia, you mean. And yes, it is.
onyomi 1 year ago
@onyomi yes huo yuen jia
TheChipendale 1 year ago
@onyomi I can see mizonquan applications you know of any video??
TheChipendale 1 year ago
@TheChipendale
TheChipendale 1 year ago
剛柔並濟，周師傅功夫真好！
furyvento 1 year ago
Nice! Is it true that mozing quan is also known as yang qing quan?
lazaga777 2 years ago
Yes, it's also known as Yanqing Quan.
onyomi 2 years ago
nice looks like bauga hsing an tai chi mixed with shaolin what ever good stuff
MrBrokenwind 2 years ago
Superrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
carlossotoalcaraz 2 years ago
impressive!!!
jalil124 2 years ago 2
the differences between north and south chinese styles are enourmous
but i have to except some acrobatic things i like the northerner styles too
oyamarovic 2 years ago
i like the acrobatic techniques in the northern schools, the high jumping kicks develope strong flexible legs, while the spinning whirlwind kicks force you to develope better balance and concentration same with the other crazy techniques the shifu's tell you they are not combat techniques but are there to develope your flexibilty and leg power n endurance, to bad must people dont see that and think its there just to look pretty.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Beautiful set! I could see some good jing in there. Yes, the sound effects need to go, though.
tampasifu 2 years ago
nice vid,but could do without the fake sound effects!
eelpieandmash 2 years ago
I think there is no sound effect. It's just loose wood and his clothes. Thats because of the microhpone he has.
BajoCLF 2 years ago
Hermosa forma, hermosa fuerza en presentarla
z8laz8 2 years ago
Sound effects are awesome lol they were added later just like a classic Hong Kong Cop Sockey Golden Harvest classic. Great style quan though.
TexasSizzle 2 years ago
AWESOME! I want to learn Mizongyi as my idol Huo Yuanjia was a master of it. Having looked at the various videos of it on YouTube I really like the style(s) of it too xD 5/5...
Roundhouse453 3 years ago
I practise northern shaolin of ku ruzhangs 10 forms of shaolin, but one of the basic forms we do is called Luohan quan, i thought it was just another one of those lohan forms from shaolin, but turns out it was from the Mizongyi system and #13 in that styles forms called louhan quan, was huo yuan jias favorite mizong form. I really wanted to learn mizong quan too, but theres no schools here in vegas dat teach it, but im glad we get to study at least one of there forms, and 1 of huo's specialty 2!
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Nice and clean footwork could be better though.
quanjiahao87 3 years ago
how many quans exist and is there anybody who knows each???
snake,crane,lost track,drunken boxing,dragon,tiger...but they are all a bit similar arent they??
atpforever1 3 years ago
its the application that is diffrent .
zodiak121 3 years ago
a lot are quite similar, but different based on complexity. I've been doing Kung Fu since January, and I can see similarities in very basic stuff (stances, fist, closed palm, open palm, hook, etc.) between my first form and forms that the more experienced students are working on. And it would be impossible to learn all the styles in a lifetime, if you wanted to know. There are hundreds if not thousands of different styles.
H2Zman 2 years ago
I've often been noticing certain similarities between a lot of kung fu styles.
At around 26 seconds, his hand positioning reminds me of wing chun. Although you should be made aware I am very ignorant in my knowledge of wing chun and mizong quan so this is pretty much an amateur observation from what I have seen of wing chun.
I'm guessing that similarities between styles are probably indicative of a probable shaolin origin. But that is just my opinion.
blackalmaverick 2 years ago
Also as an amateur, I'd say this looks somewhat like Xing Yi Quan. Again, I know nothing about either.
H2Zman 2 years ago
if they were the same, there wouldnt be so many different names and style will there? come on man lol and noone knows how many styles exist in china....its a big place and was made up of hunderds of smaller kingdoms n states till they all formed china, its like a mini planet with the amount of people there 56 native groups in china over 1 billion people and so far well over 600 documented styles not counting the sub-branches. could be as high as 1000 but i doubt it, 600 is a fuckin alot.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Looks much more like Baji quan. is this a syncretic form?
gatanip01 3 years ago
Nope. It's a different style of Mizong-quan. He learned it at Hong Kong Jingwu.
onyomi 3 years ago
There is no sound effect, it is the sound from the sleeve.
andy31174 4 years ago
looks like baji quan!
yungthugjase 4 years ago
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I wonder why sound effects have been added. I mean, if a martial art is sufficiently good enough then it shouldn't recuire added effects to make it look good.
se7enskies 4 years ago
Also, having sound effects doesn't mean it wouldn't look good on its own. Try watching it on mute and you'll see it's still excellent. He only adds sfx because he used to work in the Hong Kong film industry and is making this for a Chinese audience. He perceived that's what they liked and were accustomed to seeing, so he added them. I realize they sound kind of cheesy to the Western ear, but try looking past the surface for a moment, please...
onyomi 4 years ago
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Its just that I study martial arts myself and I have been taught that its not matters on the outside when training a form, but what happens on the inside...Feeling, Power, Chi, Health. Listening to one's self.
se7enskies 4 years ago
Well, his Qigong is excellent, so maybe you shouldn't judge based on window-dressing, since, as you say, the surface is not most important.
onyomi 4 years ago
Ming he Quan?
sipak 4 years ago
Nope... Ming He Quan is "Calling Crane Boxing." This is Mizong Quan or "Lost Track Boxing."
onyomi 4 years ago
thanks!!!
sipak 4 years ago
Impressive.
DJFistOfCurry 4 years ago 2
Beautiful.
YuShengFei 4 years ago
I come from China, looked from his movement, indeed is the master. The MI ZONG QUAN meaning is: Did not know is Chinese boxing which who creates, also does not know in any place by secret inheriting.
killgm 4 years ago
"comes from Hong Kong Jingwu" Well for a start it should be called Mizong Yi then, not Mizong Quan (its a substyle of Mizong). Plus dont forget Huo was only at the school nine months before he died. Thirdly Doesn't this dude finish on a way differnent spot to where he started? Perhaps it would be useful to post the name of the form rather than just the style. Still guess a post in itself isn't a bad thing ;)
Nienaite 5 years ago
amazing..lots of power!
coalkornx 5 years ago
Looks good.
Great and rather unusual footwork there, but seems like power isn't making its way to the arms.
Lightbringer777 5 years ago
A lot of the arm techniques are soft, so the power is not apparent--however, he is always moving from his waist. In the ones with jin-dao, the power most certainly is reaching the arms.
onyomi 5 years ago
Onyomi from Martial arts planet ???
Wow man, you seem to be everywhere knowing everything about cma! Nice to see you here
But I must say I am used to more evident and "heavy" styles like Hung gar and baji, so that might explain why I don't see the energy in the arms...
Lightbringer777 5 years ago
Mwahahaha... I'm omnipresent. In fact, I'm standing behind you right now. ;) Which name do you use on MAP?
onyomi 5 years ago
Its Libght_bringer77,
but I'm not really active, more of a reader...
anyway its nice to see you on youtube :P
Lightbringer777 5 years ago
Yes.
onyomi 5 years ago
I agree that this video would have been better without the sound effects. Good form though.
ahdoga 5 years ago
Do you have any clips of Mizong fighting in a combat sport , possibly san shou or other uushu tournment pls. I dont mean to be rude I just want to learn more about this style .
TheLatinSamurai 5 years ago
how do you use that in a real fight? how does it look in a real fight?
royutube 5 years ago
It's kind of like square Bagua--that is, it's always maneuvering to the side and back of the opponent with deceptive footwork. It also has a lot of downward pressing-type moves and hard jin, attacking the hip frequently. Those moves where he rubs over his own arm are supposed to mimic advancing on the enemy and snaking your arm up his to attack. There's also a number of joint locks and throws in there if you know where to look.
onyomi 5 years ago
Like most CMA, in a real fight the stances will be much higher and only drop low for a throw or other application. I haven't studied it enough myself to use it in sparring, but I have been on the receiving end and it feels like the opponent just disappears and reappears behind you. The forward skipping footwork is also very good at advancing on the opponent when combined with those arm-wrappning maneuvers--makes it very hard to defend.
onyomi 5 years ago
I have no doubt the original form used by Huo Yuanjia works as he defeated western boxers and even judo! with this, what I'd really like to see is how it works in a real sparring match against a good kickboxer and judoka.
royutube 5 years ago
I'd like to see that too! Right now I'm more focused on Praying Mantis, but maybe one day I'll be able to focus on Mizong enough to really use it in sparring as well. The best would be to find an authentic Mizong teacher who does only Mizong and focuses more on sparring, 2-person drills, bag work, etc. Though Zhou Shifu's Mizong seems excellent from what he's showed me, the sparring method he teaches is Praying Mantis-based, so probably different from what Huo used.
onyomi 5 years ago
Are there any clips of Praying Mantis full contact sparring that you have? Thanks.
royutube 5 years ago
love the video. Your Sifu is highly skilled...but In my style(eagle claw) we fight low as possible, well my Sifu does we try. Not arguing just talking tech.
KIRRINNOP 5 years ago
I train Muay Thai and BJJ but I believe the power of deceptive moves and confusing footwork is valid to confuse your opponent. If some visionary and genius can distill from these forms what made Huo successful in real combat, Chinese Martial Arts will really come full circle then...
royutube 5 years ago
not to debate, but there are people who have, despite what BJJ and Muy Thai players like to think. Real Kung fu will always be misrepresented, because it's always been a secret, if people learned the orthodox, and used the unorthodox more people would be able to fight with it.
KIRRINNOP 5 years ago
i study mi zhong lohan.. a variation of this style... this guy is amazing... Your assessment is down the right path with the left and right, joint locks, and rubs down the arm
redsamuraidragon 5 years ago
great video, the sifu is good, just the added sound effects were taking away from the form, so i watched it again with no sound... very nice
jkeit1701 5 years ago
This form can be divided into three distinct sections. The first is designed to train the breath and energy, and is very slow. The second is designed to trained the footwork and is somewhat faster. The third is to train fighting techniques and is performed fast.
onyomi 5 years ago
hey yeah thats real skill btw i'm golden arhat
kungfufreddy 5 years ago
Cool! I suppose that's the same way we (tanglangquan) learn/practice forms. Do you or does anyone else practice this style? btw, jkeit, I don't think the sound effects were added either, b/c he was in fact stomping.
bozobarnum 5 years ago
Beautiful! I thought that mizouyi was a long fist style (not a tai chi form). Am I incorrect or is this just a slowed down version of the form? Aren't there 2+ other forms in this style? Either way, VERY NICE!
bozobarnum 5 years ago
Mizong-quan is an unusual type of Longfist. You're right that it's a totally seperate style from Taiji, my shifu just groups them together on the website because they're more "internal," I suppose. There are a couple more forms in this Mizong system, he just chose this one to make a DVD because he thought it most representative. As you can see, it starts out very slow and then gradually becomes fast.
onyomi 5 years ago
Its a wonderful video! Two questions, if I may... One, what is the name of this form? Two, is this the form that is taught on the DVD's advertised on your website (www.kungfuloung.com.tw)? Thanks for your information!
silentfist862 5 years ago
a lot of mizong is from northers shaolin, but it also takes from tai chi and pua qua a lot (both of which are internal forms)
ireallyshot2pac 5 years ago
Is this the Wu Tan variant of Lost Track? From whom did he learn it?
enokidake 5 years ago
It's not the Wutan version from Liu Yunqiao. He actually learned it at the Hong Kong branch of Jingwu.
onyomi 5 years ago
beautiflly done. ive been practicing mizong for about 6 months, i also praxctice wing chun. i used to to jeet kune do and many others but i liek mizong the best. wow that is quite amazing that he did it that well
ireallyshot2pac 5 years ago
I can certainly see where the "Lost Track" element comes in. If you applied some of those moves they'd be quite bewildering. Very cool to see a good internal/external vid.
WarriorBoy 5 years ago
This is an amzing video, I have never heard of this style. I am a Wing Tsun and Tai Chi martial artist, is there any teachers of this style in the U.S?
YoshimitzuAlz 5 years ago
Great stuff ! I've been wanting to see this form for ages, this is a well known but not widely practised form. I'm glad I found it. The music , the backdrop is excellent, the picture is very clear. Most of all the form is great. Thumbs up for the sifu. Well done !
Thanks for sharing this video !
wie88nen 5 years ago