Who Shall Live

[dontcutthebaby8]

abortion is not about who lives. some prolife only concede if moms LIFE is in danger then abort. but what about "substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function." even alabama state law allows for that! not just to save the mother certainly not "never abort" like the extremists.

[4me2cclearly]

The healthcare bill does not fund abortion! OMG people can you freakin read?

It is a lie told to the ignorant people that just refuse to read it themselves.

[leeham991]

I bet a British advert for anti-abortion would be allot different. I can see it now.

A man in a lab realizes he has found a way to totally cure aids, then the scene flashes back through his life, backwards until it reaches an image of a tiny embryo, then it zooms out to his mother in an abortion clinic with the doctor asking "you're sure you want this abortion" and she replies "yes" and the life is over before it's begun.

Thats effective imaging. This is kind of poor.

[wingedhorses]

No, America. You don't have to fund abortions. Make women give birth to children they can't afford to raise. Then they'll ALL be on welfare--funded by American taxpayers. Give the kids up for adoption, you say? Well, children given up or taken away do not instantly get adopted. They live in foster homes--funded by taxpayers. Most foster children and kids taken away from their parents (due to abuse or neglect, because the parents shouldn't have had kids) end up in jail (funded by taxpayers).

[wingedhorses]

My point: what you will not pay for now, we will all pay for later.

[greenthumbguy1]

A voice of reason, wingedhorses!

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses many are particulary people who should not have sex anyway.

[wingedhorses]

Well, when you live in poverty, have no education, and life is especially fucking bleak, what else is there really to do but have sex? It can be the cheapest form of entertainment. If all you want to do is knock boots, just find somebody willing.

Did you mean, those people shouldn't reproduce? Well, if people are given a chance at a truly equal education, and actually believe improvement is possible, then that goes just a little too far for me. I'm not going to tell people to go get sterilized.

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses I agree aobut education. as a matter of fact i think that should be addressed by our fearless leaders instead of socializing healthcare. socializing anything is bad but at least college would pay dividends and also life all people to equality. I think sterilization, especially after a person has an abortion, is less evil than murdering a baby, but i do realize opinions differ.

[SNUFFsurgeryNEWS]

How NASTY. To spit on your family legacy like this is truly morbid, heinous, and shameful.

[greenthumbguy1]

Abortion, whether or not agree with it, is legal. I don't like abortion, especially as birth control, but if it were illegal, women and girls would still get pregnant, and still have abortions, they would just use coathangers, herbal concoctions, or back-alley hack doctors. Rich women would be the only ones who would get abortions, because we all know doctors can be paid to sign off on anything. Keep your reigious beliefs to yourselves, they are personal preferences, not the law of the land...

[JMMoosey]

I wonder how his father would have reacted if he were still alive today! I think he would be ashamed of his son!

[WTCnucleardemolition]

Google "Many Small Fission Nukes at the WTC"

[ajpmathwiz]

Bull. Even the smallest of nuclear weapons has a much more powerful blast than jet fuel or demolitions. Do you know how much 200 tons of TNT is (that would be the blast equivalent of a Uranium-deuteride bomb)? One of those bombs would have the energy equivalent of 40,000 lbs of jet fuel. That might be possible, but ridiculously unlikely since said bomb was a failure. A single 1 kT bomb has the same energy as five jetliners.

[AZRighttolife]

Great Job SBA List!!!  People of Pennsylvania and America, please hold Senator Casey accountable for this!

[scrantonsux]

Contact Bob Casey, Junior today and tell him to vote NO on any health care bill that funds abortion.

IM WITH YoU !!!!

[kweer58]

Thank you, Susan B. Anthony List. The "pro-choice" groups are seeking to impose their abortion morality (public-funding-of-abortion) on everyone, regardless of the other person's moral convictions. On this matter, the "pro-choice" groups are trying to give "no-choice" to those who disagree.

[polarice827]

Not true in all cases. I know many women who are pro-choice but detest the thought of public funding of abortions. Not all pro-choice individuals are PRO-ABORTION.

[kweer58]

I believe there is merit in what you say. Thank you for saying it. Let's just say that "pro-choice" groups, in general, follow the same beat of the drums: force taxpayer funding of abortion-on-demand (regardless of that taxpayer's moral convictions), deny the mother the option to have the unborn baby anesthesized prior to being killed, oppose parental notification, deny the mother the option of seeing an ultrasound of the unborn baby prior to the child being killed...that sort of thing.

[polarice827]

kweer58;

You are so right! The pro-choice extreme left wing groups are misleading the uneducated ignorant women to believe that the HC reform is trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade & will have to revert back to the "COATHANGER! NOT the case! Its all about using our tax dollars & that PISSES me off! And yes young women need to be more educated on the REALITY & CONSEQUENCES of Abortion! No so good & I speak from experience.

[kweer58]

Thanks, "polarice827". I do support "pro-life" legislation, but the biggest issue is awakening the conscience our society. Yes, help couples prevent unplanned pregnancies; but support those facing "crisis" pregnancies...so that abortion is not even considered. Stress how, for those who've been involved in an abortion, forgiveness (for oneself and others) promotes healing. (Abortion or otherwise, we all need self-forgiveness for something.) Touch hearts; change minds. That's "pro-life" for me.

[polarice827]

kweer58

Thank you so much for the comment on "self forgiveness". Very hard.

I completly agree that we must "awaken the conscience of our society" If only they knew the moral anguish to be suffered & usually alone as it isn't a usual topic for casual dinner conversation. Maybe not today or even tomorrow...but reality sets in someday. I try to educate within my capabilities & upon sharing personal experience I can only hope& pray to facilitate a more informed decision.

[polarice827]

kweer58

My only possible course of action. Otherwise....hypocrisy comes to mind.

[kweer58]

Well, "polarice827", I think you got my support. We all grieve our mistakes. Then we must forgive ourselves (and others) and let the healing begin. (I personally ask forgiveness of God, and then I accept it.) Learn from the mistakes. Help others avoid such mistakes. Then LET GO of the past and move on. Never let the past cheat us of the joy we should be having in the present. That would be unfair to ourselves, our family and friends. Good night now. Blessings. kweer58.

[polarice827]

@kweer58

Blessings to you as well my friend.

[utubecenseorstruth]

@polarice827 the two are synonamous. as the vast majority like barack obama favor unregulated abortion on demand

[polarice827]

utubecenseorstruth,

You Bet Cha! Another reason my claws come out! I am so outraged by these extreme left wing radicals misleading so many surrounding this issue. The large majority of these women are completely misinformed creating more Democratic votes that will force Drs. to perform procedures they morally object to. They succeed too..Just pull out a Coathanger & wave it around in the audience. Slam dunk vote! I see that "Dumbing Down" scenario is very successful too.

[wingedhorses]

No, the responsible thing is to stop endorsing abstinence to teens who aren't going to remain abstinent. They need access to birth control, and sex education. As long as we are inundated with sexual media images, and sex is seen as a moral issue, and abstinence alone is seen as the only solution to unwanted pregnancy, and men rape women and molest children, there will be the need for abortion.

Are YOU going to raise these thousands of unwanted children? Love them? Pay for their education?

[wingedhorses]

As long as "pro-lifers" keep focusing on stopping abortion instead of stopping unwanted pregnancy, ALL taxpayers will be bearing the burden--pro-lifers and pro-choicers alike. ABSTINENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN NOT TO WORK!!!! We need sex education and cheap, easily accessible contraceptives. Give more people these things, and our taxes will not have to support unwanted children and legions of poor families.

Until pro-lifers agree with this, then abortions are here to stay.

[wingedhorses]

*What I meant was, TEACHING only abstinence has been proven not to work. Case in point: increased STDs and pregnancies among American teens.

I think it would ultimately be cheaper to taxpayers for each female in poverty to be offered free college, sex ed, and contraception in exchange for a signed contract stating that she will use the contraception and not become pregnant until she is capable of supporting children on her own. This is a common-sense solution, folks.

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses that sounds expensive, but you know i kind of like this idea since college can be the ticket out of poverty or even carrer training besides college. Kind of like what clinton did with welfare reform. It is being undone and is a vicious cycle designed to keep the bridge between have and have not

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses

easy birth control if having sex=blow job

100% sure not to get someone pregnant.

this is something pro life and choice can agree on and should. I see abstience, but am smart enough to know it does not work. many christians dont see that

[wingedhorses]

As long as you're going there, I will.

Oral sex is assured not to cause pregnancy, but carries some stigma. Then there's the issue of "turn about." Women like to get it too, but many men aren't so willing to give it, especially (I hear) for one-night stands.

:[

I'm so glad I don't have to worry about any of this crap: I'm married and "fixed".

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses there is nothing wrong with licking it as long as its clean and not that time :) i too dont have to worried i am married but not fixed. I have skin in the debate because we want a baby and its really slow coming and yet people abort babies. Yeah one night stands dont get that often. i dont have experience with one night stands though

[polarice827]

That comment is disgusting and so inappropriate!

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses i will agree about abstience only not working 100%. I know pro choice like to use the rape issue but i do understand the need for rape. What discusses me is the abortion on demand philosophy of many politicans

[wingedhorses]

I am thoroughly pro-choice, but I accept that some people make really bad choices.

Honestly, I hate the "abortion as birth control" practised by some women, one of whom I'm related to. She had one son (after heavy christian guilt tripping from her family), and she was the worst effing mother ever. Somebody should sanction free ass-whippings for drug-addict parents. Kidding, but anyway...her son suffered and did without because she wanted to be a scumbag/prostitute.

[wingedhorses]

Whatever happens, there have always been and there always will be people who abuse whatever system is in place. If a college education is given in exchange for a non-pregnancy contract, then soon maybe more poor women will have access to a college education than anyone else, angering the shrinking middle class, and the parents of young men.

[wingedhorses]

Back to the drawing board...

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses hell maybe men can be house husbands. I work from home and the boss ( aka wife) teaches. i make a good living but am home

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses this is the kind of stuff that both sides can agree on. There are reason for abortions but theoretically no one should need one except rape or medical reasons because people should use protection and be responsible. I will also say MEN NEED TO COWBOY UP and not leave it to a young girl who is confused and dont know what to do.

[172677]

What rot.

Abortion is legal and is protected by the Constitution....

Get over it. If you are against abortion, don't have one. If you don't have a uterus, you don't have a dog in this fight.

[Imadeupkroz]

NO murder is NOT PROTECTED BY THE U.S. CONSTITION it says that EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT to LIFE and the pursuit of happiness. WE DO YOU THINK Someone is charged with the murder if two people when he kills a pregnant woman. YOU IDIOT!!!

[172677]

Here's the reason.....if someone murders a pregnant woman and the child she is carrying, he has committed a crime. Only the WOMAN can make decisions concerning her body and pregnancy....not someone else....

You simply are too young or too uneducated to understand the priniciple that a woman's body is her own....as is her reproductive system.. It doesn't belong to the state or the government or the "church"....it is HERS and hers alone.

Nobody can force abortion on someone either.

[wingedhorses]

We all have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Well, how do you think being forced to bear an unplanned child impacts the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of a woman? If a child is unwanted or put up for adoption, how do you think that child's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is affected? How do you think the middle-class' lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is changed when their taxes are increased to support prisons full of unwanted dysfunctionals?

[Imadeupkroz]

SO NO murder is NOT PROTECTED BY THE U.S. CONSTITION I meant why when I said we and of when I said if. One time a woman put here baby in a dumbster hour after he was born well if partial birth abortion had been legal at that time she could have KILLED IT LEGALLY. SICK!!!

[172677]

Ah, but you see...The Constitution guarantees the right to privacy....and medical treatment is included in that. Nobody can force a woman to have a baby if she doesn't want to...just like nobody can force anyone to be sterilized....nobody can force any medical procedure upon you nor can you be denied a medical procedure that is legal.

[NYyankees51]

@172677 Find me where in the Constitution it says citizens are guaranteed a "right to privacy". If you do, I will give you $1000 and even become pro-"choice".

[172677]

Bill of Rights: 1st, 3rd, 4th, 9th, 14th Amendments.....dumbass.

You tinhatters crack me up.....you really do.

Losers with no future, no education, no brains will believe anything anyone tells you if it agrees with the low opinion you have of yourselves...and the hopelessness that follows you around like a puppy.

[NYyankees51]

@172677 Give me the exact quotes.

[172677]

What's the matter? Are you incapable of reading all the big words in the Bill of Rights?

Do your own damned research.....it's easy....google "Bill of Rights"...then read the amendments and then the Supreme Court rulings.....

See, when you have an education, you can find this information all by yourself and don't have to depend upon somebody smarter than you to find it for you.

[NYyankees51]

I am going to ask you one more time. Find me where in the Constitution the words "right to privacy" are found.

[172677]

And, I'm going to tell YOU once more time....google it yourself. Read the Bill and the Supreme Court rulings...

What's the matter dumbass? Don't know how to do it?

Not surprising. Even if you did do it, you wouldn't be able to read....the words are greater than 2 syllables.....

[NYyankees51]

You don't see my point. The point is that the words "right to privacy" are found NOWHERE in the Constitution/Bill of Rights.

P.S. How mature of you to continue to make personal attacks on me.

[172677]

You are being deliberately obtuse...and you know it.

You have no point.....

[NYyankees51]

Either you are being deliberately ignorant, or you're always this idiotic.

The "right to privacy" (or the "right to the privacy of killing your child without anyone knowing) does not exist and has never existed. It was created by 7 MEN in 1973.

[172677]

Abortion, like other medical procedures, are between a woman and her physician. It's none of the governments business...or anyone else.

You cannot deny a legal medical procedure to anyone at any time..nor can you force a woman to give birth if she chooses not to anymore than you can force her to have an abortion.

Constitutionally and legally, there is no issue with abortion. Moral values don't enter into the equation except for the woman involved.

[NYyankees51]

One of my favorite quotes:

"When they tell you abortion is between a woman and her doctor...they're forgetting someone."

You're right that you can't force a woman to give birth. But unless we're dealing with pregnancy as a result of rape (fact: Planned Parenthood says less than 1% of all abortions are performed for cases of rape, incest, or life-of-the-mother), no one forced the woman to have sex and get herself pregnant.

Having sex and getting pregnant was the woman's choice.

[172677]

@NYyankees51 ..First off, no woman ever "gets herself pregnant". It still taked TWO for that ...and it's as much the fault of the "man" for chosing unprotected sex...

It isn't up to YOU or the government or anyone else to dictate the reasons why a woman might be "permitted" to have an abortion.

And, unless you have a uterus, you don't have a dog in this fight anyway.

[NYyankees51]

Fine then, they're both at fault. Does that change the fact that she chose to have sex and take the risk?

P.S. It isn't up to YOU or the government or anyone else to dictate the reasons why someone might be "permitted" to have slaves. Maybe they can't work and can't pay someone to work for them. We should let them choose.

[172677]

Slavery is against the law...the 13th Amendment took care of that. Not a good analogy....

Abortion is legal until the "fetus is viable"....

Bad analogy

[NYyankees51]

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[NYyankees51]

Also, abortion is legal from the moment of conception til .0000001 seconds before birth.

[wingedhorses]

So, you're saying that any woman who has sex deserves whatever she gets.

Shit happens; condoms break; birth control fails; people listen to urban myths about ways to prevent pregnancy. Some people are allergic to the spermicides and/or latex used in some methods.

Just know that you are saying that you (a taxpayer) are willing to pay all the expenses for every unwanted child until they grow up, because it's happening anyway. So don't complain when pregnant teen drop-outs get on welfare.

:D

[NYyankees51]

There are huge constitutional/legal problems.

The Declaration of Independence says "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal..."

People disagree over whether life is present at the moment of conception.

But regardless of your view on that, you can't argue that SOMETHING, alive or not, is created at conception.

The Declaration says "created equal". Not equal after the 1st trimester or equal at viability or equal at birth.

"CREATED equal."

[172677]

No, there IS not Contitutional or legal problems at all. This issue has been before the Supremem Court of the US dozens of times and every time Roe has been upheld.

This is not a "creation" issue. It is about the right of privacy, the right of liberty and human rights...human being the woman who has control over decisions concerning her body. And when life begins has not been determined scientifically.

Again, no one can force a woman to give birth.The Nazi's tried that already.

[NYyankees51]

The Declaration of Independence says our inalienable human rights are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Can you have the second and third without the first?

[utubecenseorstruth]

@172677

so if people have a right to privacy what about smoking dope, shooting steroids and ect. Also there are fathers rights especially for married sluts er i mean woman having abortions not being looked at

[wingedhorses]

Even married women have rights over their own bodies.

What! That's shocking! I thought women were their husband's property! Oh, wait--that's right, this is the United States, where females have human rights!

It sounds as if you're saying that any woman who has sex deserves to be denied the right to determine what happens to her own body, because her having sex is "bad".

That's like saying prison inmates deserve to be raped because they are "bad".

Your moral judgements are flawed.

[utubecenseorstruth]

@wingedhorses no i am not saying that about inmates at all. I am not saying people should not have sex, but abortion is the ultimate cop out to responsibility while it is not practicle you cant get pregnant if you dont have sex. we try to teach responsibility for actions and abortion does go against that. Women have rights to their bodies but i think no consideration is given to me. I would say at least give married men some consideration if their child might be killed

[172677]

Once again, I'll explain for you...in simple words.....

Smoking dope, shooting steroids, and "etc." are ILLEGAL. Abortion is not.

Got that?

As for the sperm donor, well, elementarily, they don't get pregnant or give birth...and they have no uterus to be able to do so. Until it's medically possible for a man to give birth, then he has no say in the matter.

He made his decision when he had unprotected sex.....

[utubecenseorstruth]

@172677 so was slavery and woman not having any rights. We have a big disconnect on the value of a man in parenthood. men can be forced to be fathers but woman cant be forced to be mothers yet want equality. I think abortion is just something for women to bitch about. I have voted pro choice candidates and pro life yet most sluts would support adolph hilter if it meant they could skate responsibility. and sometimes rubbers break it is not always intentinal

[172677]

Men have NEVER been forced to be a father. A man makes his own decision when he choses to have unprotected sex.

They whip it around irresponsibly mounting any woman who will spread her legs and then bitch when his irresponsibility makes a baby.

Poor you.

Zip it up and keep it in your pants. Nobody forces you to have unprotected sex....you do that all by yourself.

[utubecenseorstruth]

@172677 read a law book. Man a woman have sex. she gets pregnant and he does not want the baby and she wont get an abortion. He pays support 18+ years. Same scenario only now they want the baby but slut wants abortion. she is not being forced to be a mother, but could force him to be a father. I beg to differ.

we agree 100% on the irresponsibility of many men. I dont need to zip it. I am married, moral, and responsibilty. when i was not married i would have taken care of my baby if it happend

[172677]

Your right...that's how babies are made.....

What you are missing is.....it is the MAN's choice to either use protection or NOT have sex. The decision is his...and he knows the consequences. Once the pregnancy occurs, it's out of his hands....all his choices are before the act....he has none after the fact.

Interesting that you keep referring to women as sluts.

Mysogynistic are you????

[utubecenseorstruth]

@172677 slut is for women who skate pregnancy with abortions. Not all sex is a mans idea and some do use protection and some are married when it happens. My point is that the man has not choice but can be forced to be a father but the mother can choose to be a mother or not. You probably would vote for hitler if he would keep abortion legal.

[172677]

ALL sex has to have the cooperation of the man.....he, like she, can say NO. To insinuate that somehow he has no control over the event is ridiculous.

As I said.....nobody "forces" a man to copulate without protection.....he takes the risk....if a pregnancy results....it's as much his fault as hers.

Trying to put all this on the woman shows you are a mysogynist....and perhaps in the closet.

[greenthumbguy1]

Good luck trying to have a discourse with these folks.

[172677]

No way will that happen. Impossible to have discourse with folks who read and think at the 6th grade level and get their "news" and information from whack-job websites and Fox.

[frjimt9455]

it appears that the better part of the elder casey died with him, the son seems to be more interested in "barack & bob" playing hoops than he is in protecting the innocent, the unborn & voting for what is best for the people of Penna.

[arkyump]

Powerful and pertinent. Casey Sr. was a Democrat but absolutely pro-life. Casey Jr is a progressive liberal, so I fear for this bill being passed.

[SacrificeOfLove1]

I am reminded of a story of Padre Pio. He once had a lady come into his confessional. Through his gifts he was able to peer into the state of her soul. He leaped up and made her leave the confessional. Later she came up to him, and asked him why he had do such. He told her she had aborted a child who would have been one of the greatest popes of all time. Such is the ruthless slaughter of the innocent, all for the sake of supposed privacy. There is no privacy in the act of sin, for God sees.

[Indicotherium]

@SacrificeOfLove1 Riiiight, Padre Pio, the magical preacher who can see the future that will never happen for a pope never born. And he kicks her out of confessional! So much for redemption. Like the bible says, she needs a priest to absolve her of her sins or she'll burn in hell. It must be in there somewhere, maybe in the chapter about magical alternate-future popes. For that matter, where in any health-care bill does it provide abortion money? Maybe Padre Pio could tell us.

[172677]

Oh, Jeez.....another god freak.

Do you really believe that crap?

[lees20022]

Abortion is murder of a human being.

I feel bad for the women who were convinced by slick speech that abortion is something other than murder.

Their hearts must burn with the knowledge of what that child, their child, might have become...President, the man or woman that cures cancer? another Mother Theresa or Ghandi?

[wingedhorses]

Or...a drug addict that beats up your elderly mother for crack money. Or a serial killer! Or a child molester. Because unwanted children eventually "get it" that they are unwanted, and when they grow up, they take out their anger on SOCIETY.

Maybe pro-lifers would prevent abortion if, gee, maybe if they would advocate for society-wide sex education and easily accessible contraceptives?

[172677]

Do you think women are stupid? Abortion has been a fact since humans started walking upright. A woman will NOT have a child if she doesn't want to. Roe v Wade simply made abortion safe and permitted medical procedures under a doctors care rather than using a coat hanger in an alley somewhere.

No need to "feel bad" for women....most of them are smarter than you are.

[plumasangelicas]

Thanks for the info

[jerrysmith29]

Thanks for the video, God bless you+

[bobhardball]

NONSENSE!!!