Kui see toimus, siis mina ega minu sugulased ja sõbrad ei olnud Interlikkumise poolt. Aga meie ei teadnud tookord, et meist, Eesti venelastest, püütakse teha taasiseseisvunud Eestis teisejärgulised inimesed. See ei ole see iseseisev Eesti, mida meie tahtsime 1991. aastal kui võimul on endised kommarid, kes järsku muutusid rahvuslasteks ja venevihkajateks, ja suurrikad-vargad, kes koorivad rahvas ja sülitavad sellele näkku.
i still dont get it, why all the world is using violence right now: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania showed the world, that you can do great things with peace, but i guess world isnt ready to learn yet.....
@scrap222666 well, if you hint to Estonian war of independence, than yes, but im talking about restoring independence peacefully from ussr, wich certainly wasnt easy task
Respect to the estonian people for the way they handled the russian procommunist half-human scum. You have shown to the whole world what means to have a free spirit. And this is the way how you show the oppressors their time is over! It's not a surprise 20 years after the Soviet collapse your one of the most developped countries in the world. My country has the same start as yours but now the only developped thing we have is the commie Mafia...
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) is an observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990. Given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. It has been the general consensus that at that point such discussion thread should be closed as any further discussion is virtually pointless.
i am a russian speaking estonian, was born here. i want to love my country, i really do, but it's often hard to do so. nah, to hell with you, i'm a leave this country for good.
Youtube community gudelines: "...we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin...". Maybe you should stop hating now, I reported you for hatespeech, and I encourage other Estonians, or just people who don't like racists, to do the same.
You can preach racism more if you want, but it's not going to help your case and I am not going to reply any more.
@impsman Wize is the word. About half Estonians left Estonia since 1991 - having a cumulative population loss that far exceeds territories' WWII losses. Nothing brave about being fed through Russian transit trade or smart about living off EU dole.
@fabienik save Communists? You are retarded Nazi piece of garbage, perhaps some Estonian whore, either male or female, let you lick its pussy or some other organ and now you are all mad about little shits, but please leave your sick passion to yourself.
If an ethnic group cannot have it's own nation, why even have nations at all? Why not just one world government? Ohh wait... that's what genocidal communists have been calling for for 100 years now.
@ghostsinthere2008 because a nation - like French, Swiss, Austrian, Russian, Chinese, Brazilian, Indian, American, Canadian or Spanish nation is not a preserve for a single ethnic group and that even most benevolent ethnic states tend oppressing its citizens of other origins, quarrel and end up breaking up. They become mininazidoms, not little Switzerlands, the only allegiance is to tribe, usually total peasant or savage one, not to anything else. Ethnic states are abomination.
Estonia was not a country until 1918. It was a territory ceded to Russia by Sweden, populated by a nasty tribe from behind Ural mountains, and is still legally a part of Russia though Bolsheviks created or abetted in creation of "Estonia". The previous Estonia survived for 20 years. I'll give 30 years to this one - this is Russian land and the human-shaped scum has to go back to where it came from, to way behind Urals or better still to hell.
@RPRXR it is even simpler than that - ethnofascists are scum and whether they suck or not is different question but they sure will writhe in pain when the day of settling score comes as it sure will. And while Soviets were lenient and stupid - build schools and hospitals for the ethnofascist scum, printed books for them, their successors won't be and I do hope that the problem of tribal statelets would be solved once for all.
@roobit1970 It is pointless to reason whit the brutes of the east, so I will ask you something.
Why do you think people in Baltic states, Poland, Finland, Georgia, Ukraine hate Russians and their "liberation" of 1945. If Russians are so great an innocent, why would someone hate them?
@RPRXR Learn history, ethno-Nazi scum. Only a tiny percentage (4%) of what is Ukraine (a Soviet creation) population dislikes Russia, Georgia is a Soviet republic as well - no state like that existed and it was not liberated in 1945 as it was never occupied. Poland has historic squabbles. While Baltic scum (I mean ethnofascist garbage) and Finno-Ugric brethren are Nazis and the problem with them that Soviets did not clean the place in the first place and allowed you to survive. Big mistake.
Brute of the year of peasant dung digging ancestry is actually you, grandson of a slave, I come from far more West than you probably set you foot on. Furtheron, Nazi garbage, Russians had been (as armed forces) in Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Armenia and today's Iran as well as China and Mongolia and I am unaware of any problems in Armenia or Norway but only with little stinky Nazi shits on the eastern Baltic coast present a problem for Europe and humanity.
@RPRXR The USSR was the land of outstanding achievements, one of them was bilingualism for you, monkeys. You've lost Russian but haven't learned English either. Only fascists are called fascists (and neither did USSR call everybody fascist, I can't imagine that term used in reference to Israelis or Chinese or Argentinians or actually even modern Germans no matter how much one disagrees with the opponent), you are fascist garbage because you are and not because of terminology, got it ?
Yeah, and the people in western Europe remember Russian armed forces as massive rapists :D LOL.
I see that father Putin's propaganda brainwash has really worked well on you because you repeat it almost word-by-word like a broken grammophone or parrot :D
@Hobu123 You can laugh out loud as much as you want ethno-nazi monkey but the fact is that Nazi Germany invaded Soviet Union but today there is no animosity between Russians and Germans, East or West, but I'll tell you what the reason why there is a problem with you scum is that the ethnostatelets are not real countries (that is why Russia has no problem with Austria or Norway or Switzerland), these are tribal formations made exclusively on racial and linguistic grounds and they have to go.
@fabienik - Nazi in today's content presupposes superiority of one group of people based on ethnicity in a given territory because of the claim, absurd enough, that they were there earlier. Estonia is not a monoethnic state and your fairy tale of Estonians (60% of inhabitants) who are all peasants in the recent past, urbanized by the USSR, being oppressed by other people (40%) is just insolent Nazi talk - no different from the idea of Jews oppressing whatever
@roobit1970 Estonia is not a monoethnic state because russian deported all Estonian.....or they had to escape for fear of Soviet persecution.....This is the reality. the only reality...Estonia belongs to Estonian for this reason.!
@fabienik this is bullshit, it has never been a monoethnic state - it was never a state to begin with but as territory it had Jewish, Russian, German speaking populations who were either expelled or exterminated by Estonian Nazis and ethnofascists. Now if "Soviets" deported "all" Estonians then why do we have a problem: as I see there is a million Estonian-speaking scumbags and cockroaches around which means the Soviets did not deport them all. In fact the deportation is a Nazi myth.
@roobit1970 Sudtirol doesn't exist. The exact name is Alto Adige and many Italians are killed during the war I to obtain this Italian region. If they want speak another language doesn't care to Italians, but the land belongs to Italy. Different idea for Estonian. Estonia belongs to Estonia from 1918, like Finland! Russian may speak russian in Russia, not in Estonia!!!!
@fabienik - Sudtirol (Suedtirol) does of course exist as it is a part of Austria that was wrestled by allies after WWI and it has nothing to do with Italy except is under its jurisdiction. It is true that Italy, like unfaithful whore, stabbed its own allies in the back and some of whore's children perished while doing the dirty deed, but it is something not to be proud of. Estonan ethno state was created in 1918 with help of Bolsheviks but has no similarity. It will be destroyed at the end.
In this movie Russian look like bossy people. Estonian were very cool . They are very democratic people. Estonia deserves to be in UE, NATO and Welcome to Eurolandia. Ciao from Milano Italia. I was in Estonia. Wonderful country.
@fabienik you are a fascist and a racist mesmerized by a stupid idea though I am sure even you realize that a place called Eurolandia does not deserve to exist and is not a long term project, neither is tribal fascist Estonia
@fabienik freedom can be for an individual not for a tribe that wants to suppress other, stop bathing in ethnofascist fantasy of an evil tribe that is below you anyway
@fabienik - I already told you have unhealthy obsession with the ethno-scum which I believe can only have sexual or pathological roots as they are inexplainable to Europeans. Estonia is a Russian province or rather two and it will be returned to Russia within next 20 years, mark my words, Estonian ethno-scum will be cleansed and the land will take a fresh breath. I am sure Italy will help in the process of destroying Estonian statelet even though today it occupies foreign land and rapes others
@roobit1970 you have a strange idea of freedoom.....Estonia belongs to Estonian and always free it will be. Soviet have occupied a not russian territory from 1940, Estonia was idipendent since 1918, like Finland. This is the only reality today. Russian can stay in Russia or if they want live in Estonia they must respect the Estonian's power and Estonian culture.
@fabienik - you don't have strange ideas of freedom, you hate freedom and promote purely Nazi viewpoints of superior or older groups or races being dominant in a certain land. In 1918 Russian state did not exist. When Russian state is restored, Estonia - a tribal ethno-Nazi statelet - would have to be eliminated in such a fashion that it won't appear on the map again. Respect views and opinion of others. Not all people are like Nazis and fanatics of minor tribes like yours. Death ti Estonia
@roobit1970 you are crazy and you have a strange idea if freedoom. Estonia has the right to be indipendent from 1918, and restored its indipendence in 1991, after that Soviets took off their heavy feet from the Estonian land......Relax and think about the idea of freedom....and the right of self determination.....You do seem you so close-minded....
@fabienik freedom is for individuals and not for tribes; freedom also means that others have the same right to freedom which is universal regardless of one's ethnicity and origin. You must respect the view that others do not consider that land exclusive domain of a single tribe but may also have claims on it. Claim that they will enforce for the sake of freedom and justice when the right time arrives. You can keep loving ethno-Nazis but don't have illusions that others share the same view
@roobit1970 Respect Estonian first of all, after we can go on talking....Soviets were hostile and violent towards Estonian for decades. I can understand their disappoint to Russian now. For Italian and the fascists it was the same situation. Estonia is for Estonian, and russians who live there in peace, learning estonian......
@fabienik - this can go on and on but I have no interest in talking with you as you are a sympathizer of fascist scum purely, what seems to be, due to personal reasons of some cunt or male whore servicing you and then you got all excited. I don't respect Estonians and I do not grand them even theoretical possibility not of a statete but even autonomy within Russia; mark my words when the time comes that statelet will be eliminated along with phony tribal language. We go back and forth now
@roobit1970 - your opinion is that Estonians are pure Nazi babies oppressed by evil Soviets and occupied. I think your believe is moronic, delusional. I also think you are a Nazi piece of shit because you deny other people right to heritage in the territory they claim their own. In my view, which is not opinion, due to 20th century calamities, an ethnic statelet was carved up of two Baltic Russian provinces and ethnocracy established there; the ethnocracy has to be destroyed for good.
@roobit1970 My opinion is so simple. Estonian want to be indipendent and fortunately they so are. And il will be in this way forever......be quiet I am not Fascist....I love freedom respect and self-determination of all populations....russian too. Can you understand? Freedom......is not so difficult to understand....
@fabienik - there is no right of self-determination unless you are follower of Lenin or Wilson. There is no right of any kind if it supposes deprivation of rights of others. In any case, we are going back and forth but let me tell you even if the entire world will have to be nuked Russia will repossess Russian lands as France took over Alsace and Lorraine and Estonian ethnic state will be destroyed for good - this will be done in a way that it would never be again restorable
@fabienik not forever but maximum of 20 more years and then ethnostate of Estonia will be eliminated for good; it will not be resurrected or restored in any fashion ever because this time it will be done in the right away. I will personally do anything that is in my power and contribute as much as I can financially or otherwise to have it erased from the map. You can go keep on licking Nazi cunts but for the sake of freedom and justice Estonia will be eliminated without a trace or memory.
Please stop arguing with this troll roobit1970. He is obviously a professional troll getting paid for propaganda. I am actually amazed that his english is not bad, but his opinions contradict themselves constantly. He claims to hate nazis but he advocates genocide... He is either mentally ill, or his propaganda is aimed at those who are.
@djEksotik you are a screwed up piece of ethno Nazi work. As of English, it is true that you subhumans had lost the biggest benefit of bilingualism; you lost Russian but never learned English as you can't - instead you converse in the euro-variety of generic pig English. Estonia has to be destroyed; wiped off the map and it has nothing to do with genocide, as genocide presupposes elimination of a certain genetic stock in entirety, something I would never advocate. Down with Esstonia.
@fabienik - well, in Russia you would to go jail for saying something like that as you would possibly in Germany while not in Austria or say France, which suppose to be mononational but multiethnic. So say Estonia belongs to Estonians means that America belongs to whites (or to Indians. It is an ethno-Nazi slogan that basically means that one ethnic group (entirely of a single social background, meaning peasants speaking a relict tongue) have monopoly on a territory. That's worse than fascist.
@roobit1970 After decades of sufference Estonia belongs to Estonian. And this is freedom, not fascist think.....only freedom. Estonian after decades of soviet occupation cant stand Russian anymore. This is normal.
And Estonian are not Nazi....they were only tried to be free...and live in indipendent Estonia, but Russian arrived in their country and cut freedom to Estonian....
@fabienik you are a Nazi if you believe that one third of population can oppress others merely by their presence on earth, this is totally Nazi talk, it is exactly the same talk Nazis used for the Jews or for Russians as entire Russian minority was exterminated by the Estonian dung digging Nazis,, Russians did not arrive in their country because they did not have a country, it was a land that was under different ownership and became Russian 300 years ago
@roobit1970 Now Estonia is indipendent, like Finland from 1918. Heavy occupied from Soviets. Soviets are dead now. Urss is dead. ciao! Estonia is indipendent and Estonia deserves respect.
@fabienik this is not even funny, it is the same as to say as Hutuland deserves independence from Tutisland in Rwanda. I have no idea where you are coming from (not geographically but in the sense of affection for ethnonazis) but for a normal person, not an ethno from a post WWI state, that's bizarre
@roobit1970 Russian have oppress Estonian for more than 50 years. It is normal that now Estonian are not so in favour towards Russian remained in their country....Estonian suffered decades of heavy Soviet's occupation...iT WAS A SOVIET REVENGE....AGAINST ESTONIAN maybe part of Estonian fighted in WWII with German. Estonia fighted against Soviet to try to be indipendent, but Stalin killed them. iS THIS YOUR IDEA OF FREEDOM? ......???
@roobit1970 Russian have oppress Estonian for more than 50 years. It is normal that now Estonian are not so in favour towards Russian remained in their country....Estonian suffered decades of heavy Soviet's occupation...iT WAS A SOVIET REVENGE....AGAINST ESTONIAN maybe because part of Estonian fighted in WWII with German. Estonia fighted against Soviet to try to be indipendent, but Stalin killed them. iS THIS YOUR IDEA OF FREEDOM? ......???
@fabienik Russians did not "arrive" in Estonia since the place was a part of Russia for 300 years. There is not a single town in "Estonia" that is founded by Esthonians. Check Encyclopedia Britannica, not Wikipedia. You cannot occupy your own property, can you? It is not a monoethnic tribal reservation,
@roobit1970 America belongs to Americans, like Italian belongs to Italian....even if they are black or white.
Russia belongs to Russian and Estonia belongs to Estonians. If you want live in Italy you must speak Italian and study Italian language that it is compulsory for obtain citizenship. this is normal in every country.
@fabienik - American can be anyone - person of any background, an Estonian is strictly an ethnic term that defines someone who is a peasant speaking a relict tongue or descendant thereof from Russian provinces of Esthonia and northern part of Livonia. One can naturalize and become American or Swiss or Austrian or Brazilian, but one cannot become Estonian (though can become a citizen of that tribal fascist statlet) because Estonian is strictly an ethnic term. You must be a fool to think otherwise
@fabienik - of course it is not, it is a territory temporarily created to advance political goals of another superpower using a relict tribe and its imagined grievances as an excuse for doing mischief.
@fabienik@fabienik in your quest to support and whitewash Estonian Nazi scum and their tribal statelet that does not have a right to exist you invent all sorts of bizarre things. I am amazed that you don't know your own country, Italy, or that you have recognized minority languages or even provinces like Sudtirol try googling Provincia autonoma di Bolzano where people can freely speak their language (four official languages).
@roobit1970 I know my country better than you surely. We Italians have a big heart...Estonian are not nazi, Estonia wanted only freedom, that is a right of everybody. Dont' compare them with AltoAdige Sud Tirol in Italy. They are the most free minority of Europe. They speak their language, but they have never occupation all Italy. Russian did it with Estonia and this is a very big difference. You are beginning to hurt me. Stay in your country and domine the world,in any case nothing change.
@fabienik Sure it does like Milan belongs to the Milanese but within Russia and after ethno-Nazis are killed off, the last the job was left unfinished
@fabienik sure it does now and Revel belongs to Russia even though an evil tribe got control over it for a short period of history (just 20 years out of the last 2000).
@fabienik absolutely not, Italy has consisted of great empires, both military and merchant, from Roman down to Venetian republic. You have a fantastic view of ethno-Nazi tribal statelet of Estonia which has to be destroyed. You can't compare enlightened beautiful Italy, a civilization in itself, with a bunch of mean spirited, scummy dung digging peasant savages speaking a non-European tongue.
@fabienik - the size of Russia or Brazil or India (all states, not tribal preservations) are of irrelevance. Freedom should not mean living in an ethnic preservation under imaginary NATO protection, freedom does not a right mean to oppress others. In your logic, Nazis (Estonian and Latvian Nazis killed more civilians in what is now Russia that is Estonian tribal or ethnic population) were deprived of freedom (to kill). A person, like yourself, should be free, a tribe has no such inherent right.
@fabienik I have to go now as this exchange cannot go forever. Of course Estonians like the Aleutians or Anlo-Ewe people or Bembe tribe or the Hutu all have right to live in freedom, however living in freedom does not mean living in an ethnic preserve or having a "right" on monoethnic state or "freedom" to persecute and oppress others. I am sure you'd agree with that
@roobit1970 Yes I agree with you....expecially this message is for Soviet. Estonia now lives in peace and indipendent.....after decades of sufference, how do you think they can oppress other, .....their are like a little child....Estonians behaviour and nationalism are due to their sufference in the past....could you accept this point of view? Ciao.....Freedom is a big thing for every country, isnt' it?
@fabienik - this is not the point as entire leadership of Estonian SSR was ethnic (Estonian peasants) and there were absolutely no measures to discriminate against speakers of that ugly relict tongue. In fact Soviet Union invested vast resources into education of Estosavages and in building of libraries and the stuff, how did all this scum come to streets; they had not even lived in cities until Soviet union, the dung diggers. On the other hand, now they discriminate and oppress.
@fabienik I don''t bet on EUs future and I am sure Estonia will be destroyed at the end because that's how Nazis ended the last time and so how they will end up now. It has nothing to with Russia (although the present day ethno-statelet of Estonia is on Russian territory) or with domination but with freedom. Freedom must triumph and for this ethno state which exists soleley for oppression of others must die along with its followers.
@roobit1970 At the present Estonia is indipendent free and in Ue. Ue exists. And freedoom too. Russian are not dangerous as in 1940. So what do you want? Antother WW? ....You are crazy my friend. Estonia is indipendent now and forever and deserves respect now and forever. This is the point and your crazy ideas won't change the situation relax! Estonia belongs to Estonian after decades of Soviet sufference, and we in Ue help them forever! Long life to Ue! Long life to peace.
@fabienik you are not for peace if you advocate the apartheid and oppression and ethnic exclusivity or existence of tribal ethnic state, and learn history it was not Russia that attacked Italy but Italy that attacked Russia and murdered countless (hundreds of thousands of civilians) allied with Hitler and Estonian Nazi scum. The end is known and the same end awaits the EU. Down with non-democratic Brussels plutocracy and down with ethnic Nazi scum and its supporters.
@fabienik Estonia is not free now, it is an ethnocracy and as ethnocracy it has to be destroyed. Not, "we are not all Nazis" but you certainly are because you compare people of certain persuasion (fascists like yourself for example) with an ethnic group or a nation and that's typical Nazi talk.
@Hobu123 - I am unaware that any of Russian protestors experessed any official policy or were members of any Nazi party unlike Estonian ethnocracy where is an apartheid regime and daily discrimination and harassment in a state built on tribal basis for the worst of the human scum speaking a relict tongue. I am sure the next time Nazi problem will be rectified and I can't understand why Soviets didn't solve it for good when they had a chance but instead bred and fed estofascists.
I see that Russian propaganda machine has washed your brains so well. I see you repeating the usual nonsense spread by that propaganda machine.
Now come visit Estonia and you will be surprised at how much the Russian propaganda machine has lied to you about everything.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you that in country where journalists get murdered when they investigate/criticise the deeds of politicians the propaganda you hear may not be correct? Yes, we speak about Russia.
What news do we have from Russia every day? Lets see: Nationalists attacking and beating foreign-looking people - check. Journalists being murdered - check. Massive corruption up to highest level of politics - check. Huge organized crime network that spreads far abroad - check. Many people living in poverty - check. Massive drinking problems - check. Total denialism about communist crimes - check. Agressive brainwashed youth groups like Nazi/Nashi etc - check . I could continue that list.
@Hobu123 stupid little ethno Nazi scummie - your paranoid little cockroaches obsession with Russia is beyond belief, no I have no access to Russian language news but I can tell you one fact hat Russia is toothless with corrupt junta on the top because were it otherwise you would not be alive as every single ethnofascist would be now exterminated and Estonia as ethnocracy wiped off the face of the map. As far as Estonia scumland is concerned I am in the cesspool right now. I know you scum well.
We have lived here for 12,000 years and you can do absolutely NOTHING about that :))))). Now go whining to your mother. No country has managed to wipe us away from here and noone ever will.
@Hobu123 I ask you again, Nazi piece of ethnogarbage, do you have a paper, a title or a deed from God that says that that particular rotten scummy tribe lived on that particular piece of real estate for 12 000 years. By the way, absolutely nobody ever tried to wipe that scum off the earth and I don't think that would be any problem whatsoever if somebody tried (nobody did) with an effort, ingenuity and provided there is no compassion for nasty animals the place would be clean in a month
Back so quickly from crying into your mother's apron?
Yes, we have empirical evidence about our ancestry, although I do not expect you to know what empirical evidence is (hint: it is not "father Putin said"). But it is funny to see that in addition to being brainwashed and racist nazi you are also a religious fundamentalist. All brainwashes in one casing :P LOL
@Hobu123 Nazi-boy, it is you who is brainwashed who believes in totally fake carboard stereotypes the tribal fascist propaganda indoctrinated you with like father Putin who is less fatherly figure than Nazi leader Ansipp or Mart Laar (both too be hanged) to his flock. The Estonian Nazi scumball theory is that because they allege that they've been earlier on a spot of land (we don't know that except that we know that their ancestors dug dung), they have rights iherently superior to others
@ESTboy123 - first of all there is nothing negative in being a Communist as there is nothing wrong in an ideology based on collective property ownership, decency and equality (as ideal) as opposed to ethnic or national exclusivity and racial purity and murder or, say, avarice, so I can't see any decent human being taking offense at being called a Communist (unless he is a retard or American or rather retarded indoctrinated American as there are perfectly normal Americans as well).
So though there is perfectly nothing wrong in being a Communist, it would likewise be preposterous to call "all" Estonian Nazis. Naturally enough Estonian scum gathered *right here* and Latvian country dung bacteria are Nazi and today's ethnostatelet is fascist, but surely not all Finno-Ugrian tribesmen between the Baltic and lake Peipus are Nazis, I would estimate the share of rabid ethnofascists and ethonazis (those to be put to death) at about 25% of the population in today's phony statelet
@roobit1970 25%? Funny how I've spent my entire life living in Estonia and I do not know a single person who is anything close to being a Nazi. And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't Russia the country with the most neo-nazis in the world? But what do I know, I'm just a "rabid ethnofascist" right?
@ESTboy123 exactly, a rabid ethnofascist. I would say that Estonia has the largest percentage of human ethnoscum - I haven't met a Nazi in Russia or for that matter in Austria. Even people who would parade and do foolish things are not Nazis. Estonian statelet is ethnofascist and Estonia is a tribal state, an ethnocracy, with about - I reckon 25% of Finno-Ugric inhabitans being Nazis. Reform or Isamaa or all employees of foreign ministry qualify as ethno-Nazis, not street punks.
@ESTboy123 - and I'd say that in my experience in the Czech Republic the percentage of ethnofascist is non-existent and Latvia, with which I am well familiar, is also a far better case - I'd below the percentage of ethnofascits at about or below 10%.. The ethnostatelet of Estonia is a special case, 25% is obviously not the entire population (from among those speaking the local finno-ugric tongue) but I'd say that's the highest percentage in the world. The case will require surgical treatment.
@ghostsinthere2008 Holodomor is a fantasy and a fabrication of Galician propagandists. If we take fake Holodmor as example then it is defined death by starvation of indiscriminate number of enemies. Surgery or surgical treatment as a figure of speech (in any European language) means a careful intervention involving and accompanied nby blood-letting. Shooting, stabbing, using Brazen Bull sort of devices on select 150 000 or so ethnonazis would probably qualify as delicate surgery. D'accord?
@ESTboy123 No I don't - I haven't grown an antenna that has to be removed, but a surgery is needed to clean the land of ethno-Nazis, the fact that not all Esths are ethno-Nazis is apparent. How would you translate that by the way, I asked someone who is a native speaker of your relict tongue to write what should I respond and she did Teilt midagi mõistlikku ja inimlikku kahjuks ei saa loota . Seda ju ei saagi olla, sest teie aju asemel on vana nuustik, mis on läbi imbunud Ansipi kaka ja pissiga.
@roobit1970 "Unfortunately I can't expect anything reasonable and humane from you. That's impossible because instead of a brain, you have an old rag drenched with Ansip's poo and piss"
Wow... I must say... you take this thing WAAAYYYY too far. There are no nazis in Estonia; no more than in any other reasonable country in the world. Why you seem to think that Estonia is "the land of ethno-nazis" is beyond me. Estonians aren't like Russians. We don't blindly follow Ansip like they follow Putin.
@ESTboy123 well, I didn't write it because I am not from the ethnonazi paradise but someone else did. In my experience, from the USA down to Slovenia and from Norway to Czech Republic, Estonia - and I had talked with people who were frank and honest, from foreign ministry peasants to peasants working the fields, fell by a large margin outside of ordinary, stunned me by their sense of tribal purity and other characteristics that classifies them as fascists.
@ESTboy123 "Latvians" -meaning letts in my experience were marginally better, there are occasional nutcases here and there, but seemed to be normal human beings. Most apolitical people I know in the world, not ready to follow anyone,. no matter where they live, are Russians (no matter what is their ethnicity, which can be multiple and diverse) while most politicized, real army of Nazi monkeys are Estonians (who of course can be only one ethnicity) but even among they fascists are a minority.
@roobit1970 What exactly is your evidence for Estonians being nazis? And by "ethno-nazi", do you honestly believe that Estonians are born as nazis? Are you for real dude? I think you have some serious issues. Even more disturbing is your blank statement that "around" 25% of estonians are nazis. Funny because you have probably never even been to Estonia or seen an Estonian person in your life, whatever rock you live under.
@ESTboy123 I know Esths quite well . and I come to the ethnonazi statelet regularly, I know esto-Nazis perfsonally, I know what is in their heads (you've translated that) and what makes them tick, I I even own property in the place which is not worth selling as prices went down the gutter
@roobit1970 So what is your issue with Estonians? And please drop your self made terminology, theres nobody here to impress. You have said Ethno-Nazi about 119 times by now... also, stop it with the statelet.
Clearly you are trying to prove your manliness online, by enforcing your own, twisted view on things upon everyone else. There are no nazis in Estonia, so please chill with this whole "herp-derp esto-nazi" bull... Where are you from anyway? And why do you hate Estonia so much?
@ESTboy123 I don't hate anyone even though I do detest ethnonazis in general and those in the statelet right down across the gulf to the south of finland are particularly replusive specimens, but I'd let it go because as I said this about 100 times so far I realize it cannot go on forever.
@roobit1970 I asked you before though, give some evidence maybe? There are around 1 milion estonians in estonia. I think I would have noticed 250 000 people walking around with swastikas and hailing hitler. Yet I havent seen a single one. Maybe they all live on some island that I have yet to visit in Estonia. Also I doubt there is such a thing as an "ethno-nazi". From your vague statements, I can imagine you saying something like "38% of arabs are born terrorists". GIve some evidence.
@ESTboy123 ethnofascism is not about wearing swastikas or saluting long dead Hitler, but a state in which corporate and "national" interests are merged, and the ethno part because the group defies itself strictly in ethnic terms, in the sense of tribal exclusivity on a given piece of real estate, ethnic nationalists or ethno-Nazis are the folks who see their tribal affiliation as a value greater than shared humanity. 20-25% is my fair own estimate, I didn't conduct a census of ethno-Nazis.
@roobit1970 So you despise Estonians for holding on to their nationality after all that they have been through throughout the centuries? Where was this shared humanity when Estonia was annexed in 1940? I think you should stop trying to belittle a small country like Estonia with a sad past and keep your opinions for matters which you actually understand.
Also, there is no such thing as an ethnic nationalist, you are a nationalist or not. And being one does not make you a nazi.
@ESTboy123 First of all the term here is ethnicity and not nationality as say my nationality is American but Estonian nationality appeared only in 1991 (thanks to plastered Yeltsin); Estonians did not hold on to their nationality for centuries because the ethnofascist statelet is a recent artificial creation, they had no concept of nationality, they are peasants who referred to themselves Maarahva as even the mere word Esthonia is a new Latinism.
@ESTboy123 it is like monkeys having a sense of monkey nationality (and that's an offense to the monkeys by the way). Estonia was not annexed but joined USSR after a referendum the legality of which are certainly no less questionable than recent Iraqi or Afghan elections. Shared humanity means that people see other human beings as themselves and not as members of opposite tribe. I found among Esths (the descendants of peasants from two Russian provinces) that trait to be totally absent.
@roobit1970 Are you serious? I mean... are you actually serious? You must be that 0.01% of the world's population that honestly believes Eastern Europe wasn't annexed but joined the USSR by referendum. I mean obviously it didn't have anything to do with the fact that soviet military bases were already in Estonia or that millions of more troops were behind the border. I'm sure the people unanimously voted to be executed and sent to die in Siberia.
@ESTboy123 - too few Nazi scumballs were sent to Siberia.. This forum is the best testimony to that. As of serious - yes I am serious, Lenin disembarks at Finland train station in 1917 in an agricultural country that is wrecked by war and in 30 years one third of the planet including China and Mongolia are Communist. That is speed of expansion that if faster than Islam had in 600s, you can't achieve it by force. We are not talking about abstract "Eastern Europe" but about one Russian province
@roobit1970 You don't cease to amaze me still. I don't think I have ever had a serious discussion with a person who calls others nazis with a passion, yet expresses their own views as being beyond a hardliner nazi. Besides denying crimes against humanity, I quote you: "In fact the deportation is a Nazi myth.", you seem to honestly believe that it wasn't the USSR that occupied Estonia for 45 years, but the 30% russian minority. Which of course makes no sense.
@ESTboy123 Nazi myth is simple. You compare demographics. In 1994 in Rwanda, without technical means of any kind some 850000 people were killed within 100 days. Unlike the Hutu Soviet Union plentiful means of destruction and could have cleansed the land in matter of days. However the statistics don't prove than 850 000 Esths were killed in 1940, in fact after war Estonian SSR experienced population growth of all ethnic groups. Never mind that you can't occupy something that is yours.
@roobit1970 It is also disturbing how you can't acknowledge the fact that Estonia is a democratic state like any other, with equal rights for all. The Estonians are not some dirty tribe who beat minorities with clubs. People are treated equally and nobody is supressing any minority. Maybe there is another Estonia that you have visited but I'm not going to let you lie about my country.
@ESTboy123 Estonia is an ethnic Nazi statelet in which heritage, the past and the language of one ethnic group is totally suppressed, people are disenfranchised because of who they are, individuals are not treated equally (I have someone arrested and beaten by fascist police because he looked... Jewish). I know a EU diplomat who told me in the 90s that we know those are little fascist shits but we take them in as a they are a good playing card besides the Americans need a launchpad of sorts.
@ESTboy123 - esthonian ethnonazis are very much nazis, fascists & not merely nationalists like American or Indian nationalists would be; they are obsessed about their purity and tribal traits (which is hilarious considering their smelly provenance) and are more despicable than anyone I met on earth, collectively speaking. My feeling of disgust deepened as I got to learn them better and personally, In my opinion, the statelet should be liquidated and ethnonazis sent to meet their maker, the satan
@ESTboy123 - unlike Nazis who exterminated when they could or disenfranchised when they could not groups of people because of their ethnicity or origin, I only advocate neutralizing the rabid ethnic nationalists and the nazis. As of the nature of Estonian ethnonazism, its origins of it are Soviet, not imported and its roots lie in indulgent Soviet "national" or ethnic policies complete with promotion of tribal languages, creation of "elites", urbanization, maintenance of ethnic republics etc
@roobit1970 It's not a tribal language. A tribe with over one million speakers of the language is a pretty fuckin big tribe. So stop it with this whole "ethno this, ethno that, statelet, tribe, blabla". Also, if you ask me, anyone who is a Nazi and believes that people should be killed off merely because of their ethnicity do not deserve to live.
@ESTboy123 First of all only Nazis believe that people should be killed or deprived of rights because of their ethnicity. I advocate neutralizing nazis, not killing members of a tribe because of their ethnicity. As of size of tribal language - it is irrelevance there are tribal languages with millions of speakers, such as Santhali tribe language in india with over 5 million speakers. Language and nation are not identical concepts, Switzerland is a nation but there is no Swiss language.
@roobit1970 SO you just simply believe in depriving Estonians from rights because of your beliefs which are probably shared worldwide by 4 others. Estonia is an independent democratic nation, and Estonians are a people. Fucking... Live with it.
@ESTboy123 esths are people though without any article, my opinion is shared by absolute majority of humanity, it fact there is a declaration of Human Rights but not of Tribal Rights, that's what all decent people fought against in WWII, mind you that absolute majority of world's population do not live in tribal statelets, it is an exclusively Eastern European phenomenon and a very recent one, dating from the end of WWI and from 1991, they are not known in South America or Asia or old Europe
@ESTboy123 no, I don't believe Estonians (esths) have any collective rights whatsoever that would place them above anyone else, there is a declaration of universal Human Rights but not of Tribal Rights or Ethnofascist Rights, that's preposterous. Yes I checked pre WWI Encyclopaedia Brtiannica and the tribe is there: The Esths, Ehsts or Esthonians, who call themselves Tallopoeg and Maamees, are known to the Russians as Chukhni or Chukhontsi, to the Letts as Iggauni, and to the Finns
@ESTboy123 as Virolaiset. They belong to the Finnish family, and consequently to the Ural-Altaic division of the human race. As a race they exhibit manifest evidences of their Ural-Altaic or Mongolic descent in their short stature, absence of beard, oblique eyes, broad face, low forehead and small mouth. In addition to that they are an under-sized, ill-thriven people, with long arms and thin, short legs. Ref. Britannica 1911/Esthonia Viromaa Lettish Iggaun Senna , a Baltic province of Russia,
@roobit1970 You done now or? Please get a life and just live and let live. What you hope to achieve by arguing your twisted view of Estonia is beyond me. Maybe someone from Estonia fondled you as a child, I really don't care. Just chill out, look at what you're saying and do something useful with your life.
@fabienik Also as someone from Italy you should know better: you've got Sud Tirol. Unlike "Estonia" which is merely a tribe of evil peasants who got the land as a grant from a drunken landlord, Italy fought to obtain South Tirol. I've never heard that Italian speakers, who are majority, beat or killed Tyrolese because those speak German or of any other oppression. Estonia is an ethnoNazi (tribal fascist) state and you must be honest with yourself and just face the fact.
@roobit1970 Estonia now belongs to Estonians...this is the reality...Respect them. As regards to Sud Tirol, we respect them, but none of Sud Tirol citizens never has tried to be hostile to Italian or oppressive,and they are few people not dangerous....but Different is to Russian....They have been discriminate and oppressive with Estonian for decades of suffering...It is normal now the behaviour of Estonian......they are few people...and Russia is so big..think about it!
One can have a constitutional change which can and should happen without coup d'état (which is illegitimate and usually violent change of authority).- Russians had no voice in the matter as the RFwas established through a constitutional coup d'état itself without referendum or any popular consent. Naturally if a constitutional monarchy is reestablished or if republic continues as it is it may choose to abolish federal structure & call for restoration of a state as it existed before Oct 1917.
@roobit1970 What are you arguing against? The indigenous people who have lived here for a long time are classified as Estonians. Countries form and fall and take many forms. Estonians managed to form a independent state in 1918. It was confirmed by human set rules of getting recognized and some peace treaties. Yes Russia could set the time back to 1917. But Sweden could reclaim the Rurik dynasty as their own and 862. What is the point? Estonia would be under Russia but Russia would be Sweden.
This is bullshit, Rurik was not a Swede and never had a Swedish passport. Sweden did not exist at the state of alleged Rurik's (most likely a legendary, fictitious perconage). Rurik (who could as well be a Frank if he existed) had nothing to do with formation of an ethnic state on the terriory of Russia. There is absolutely no way Estonia were to allow to exist if not for the Bolshevik revolution and if that is reversed so should be Estonia's existence. No place for ethnic states.
Estonia did not appear as a state in 1918, it was a ethno or tribal formation in post WWI spirit made by the Bolsheviks and etno nationalists and it had no Russian participation in it. No legitimate authority signed the land away and the emergence of Estonian "state" was not recognized by anyone save for its organizers. There is absolutely no right for tribal self-determination except as a very novel idea (Wilson's and Lenin's) or that a certain tribe has a exclusive right on the territory
If Soviet Union had no legitimate authority then why does the current Russian Federation officially celebrate the Great Patriotic War on 9th May? Legitimately speaking, the war was was won by Soviet Union, not Russia.
@alfredondatra Soviet Union had nothing to do with Estonian ethnofreaks and Bolshevist chicanery as that monstrosity was formed in 1924, Russian Federation, not Russia, is a heir to the Soviet Union and even assumed its debts. Naturally enough it celebrates the victory as Russia would anyway, even if it were to become a monarchy, or say how Italians celebrate victory at Solferino though the victorious forces were not of the modern Italian republic. I didn't get the point of the comment anyway.
This is crazed ethno-Nazi logic. States are not tribes, Swedes never occupied Estonia which did not exist at the time, but the Kingdom of Sweden had possession of two provinces, one of Livonia constituting the southern part of the present territory and the other was Esthonia (Esthland or Estland) that made up the northern part of the same piece of real estate. Kingdom of Sweden ceded the right to the territory under treaty of Nystad to Russia, not Swedes to Russians. Most states are not ethnic.
You're not addressing the point. Estonia started existing as a state in 1918 and the reason for this was that the Estonian people wanted to create their own country because it promised a better future for their culture, language and land. And it did! What more justification for our existence does one need...
@alfredondatra - Estonian people wanted nothing, first of all a few Finno-Ugric tribes are hardly "a people" lest Estonian, secondly they did not know they were Estonian until they were told and thirdly no one asked them - no referendums held, nothing of any legitimacy took place except a wartime induced treaty at the time of WWI and Europe-wide devastation between Bolshevik thugs who had no right to sign anything and local ethno-nationalists. That state survived for 20 years. Too long.
Capital of estonia is Tallinn not toompea
Sven3ST 1 month ago
thats lot of fun!!! but Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic was better life than Republic of Estonia!!!
MegaAble1234 2 months ago
Kui see toimus, siis mina ega minu sugulased ja sõbrad ei olnud Interlikkumise poolt. Aga meie ei teadnud tookord, et meist, Eesti venelastest, püütakse teha taasiseseisvunud Eestis teisejärgulised inimesed. See ei ole see iseseisev Eesti, mida meie tahtsime 1991. aastal kui võimul on endised kommarid, kes järsku muutusid rahvuslasteks ja venevihkajateks, ja suurrikad-vargad, kes koorivad rahvas ja sülitavad sellele näkku.
Mahno4 5 months ago
i still dont get it, why all the world is using violence right now: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania showed the world, that you can do great things with peace, but i guess world isnt ready to learn yet.....
armeelane 7 months ago 2
@armeelane If you would go back a few decades Estonia was also born out of violence.
scrap222666 3 months ago
@scrap222666 well, if you hint to Estonian war of independence, than yes, but im talking about restoring independence peacefully from ussr, wich certainly wasnt easy task
armeelane 3 months ago
Respect to the estonian people for the way they handled the russian procommunist half-human scum. You have shown to the whole world what means to have a free spirit. And this is the way how you show the oppressors their time is over! It's not a surprise 20 years after the Soviet collapse your one of the most developped countries in the world. My country has the same start as yours but now the only developped thing we have is the commie Mafia...
Petqn 8 months ago 7
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) is an observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990. Given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. It has been the general consensus that at that point such discussion thread should be closed as any further discussion is virtually pointless.
impact0r 9 months ago 2
i am a russian speaking estonian, was born here. i want to love my country, i really do, but it's often hard to do so. nah, to hell with you, i'm a leave this country for good.
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@roobit1970
Youtube community gudelines: "...we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin...". Maybe you should stop hating now, I reported you for hatespeech, and I encourage other Estonians, or just people who don't like racists, to do the same.
You can preach racism more if you want, but it's not going to help your case and I am not going to reply any more.
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Down with Estonian Nazi scum
roobit1970 11 months ago
I Salute all the brave Estonians, Hip-Hip Hurray !!! Wize nation, with smart people and self confident...
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@impsman Wize is the word. About half Estonians left Estonia since 1991 - having a cumulative population loss that far exceeds territories' WWII losses. Nothing brave about being fed through Russian transit trade or smart about living off EU dole.
roobit1970 11 months ago
Estonian fascists!
iddqd899 1 year ago
@iddqd899 Soviet Communist!!!
fabienik 11 months ago
@fabienik save Communists? You are retarded Nazi piece of garbage, perhaps some Estonian whore, either male or female, let you lick its pussy or some other organ and now you are all mad about little shits, but please leave your sick passion to yourself.
roobit1970 11 months ago
@fabienik it is you who is a fascist piece of garbage and there is nothing wrong about being Soviet or Communist
roobit1970 11 months ago
video about how estonian-fascists expel Russian citizens.
SINGING FASCISTS
muxxamad 1 year ago
bullshit
muxxamad 1 year ago
If an ethnic group cannot have it's own nation, why even have nations at all? Why not just one world government? Ohh wait... that's what genocidal communists have been calling for for 100 years now.
ghostsinthere2008 1 year ago
@ghostsinthere2008 because a nation - like French, Swiss, Austrian, Russian, Chinese, Brazilian, Indian, American, Canadian or Spanish nation is not a preserve for a single ethnic group and that even most benevolent ethnic states tend oppressing its citizens of other origins, quarrel and end up breaking up. They become mininazidoms, not little Switzerlands, the only allegiance is to tribe, usually total peasant or savage one, not to anything else. Ethnic states are abomination.
roobit1970 1 year ago
Estonia was not a country until 1918. It was a territory ceded to Russia by Sweden, populated by a nasty tribe from behind Ural mountains, and is still legally a part of Russia though Bolsheviks created or abetted in creation of "Estonia". The previous Estonia survived for 20 years. I'll give 30 years to this one - this is Russian land and the human-shaped scum has to go back to where it came from, to way behind Urals or better still to hell.
roobit1970 1 year ago
It is simple - Russians suck
RPRXR 1 year ago
@RPRXR it is even simpler than that - ethnofascists are scum and whether they suck or not is different question but they sure will writhe in pain when the day of settling score comes as it sure will. And while Soviets were lenient and stupid - build schools and hospitals for the ethnofascist scum, printed books for them, their successors won't be and I do hope that the problem of tribal statelets would be solved once for all.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 It is pointless to reason whit the brutes of the east, so I will ask you something.
Why do you think people in Baltic states, Poland, Finland, Georgia, Ukraine hate Russians and their "liberation" of 1945. If Russians are so great an innocent, why would someone hate them?
RPRXR 1 year ago
@RPRXR Learn history, ethno-Nazi scum. Only a tiny percentage (4%) of what is Ukraine (a Soviet creation) population dislikes Russia, Georgia is a Soviet republic as well - no state like that existed and it was not liberated in 1945 as it was never occupied. Poland has historic squabbles. While Baltic scum (I mean ethnofascist garbage) and Finno-Ugric brethren are Nazis and the problem with them that Soviets did not clean the place in the first place and allowed you to survive. Big mistake.
roobit1970 1 year ago
Brute of the year of peasant dung digging ancestry is actually you, grandson of a slave, I come from far more West than you probably set you foot on. Furtheron, Nazi garbage, Russians had been (as armed forces) in Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Armenia and today's Iran as well as China and Mongolia and I am unaware of any problems in Armenia or Norway but only with little stinky Nazi shits on the eastern Baltic coast present a problem for Europe and humanity.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Ha! Your aggressive comments proves my point point, better than I could.
RPRXR 1 year ago
@RPRXR If you found aggression in somebody's comments then the only thing that it proves is your, little fascist's, incurable paranoia.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 yes call everyone who disagrees whit you fascists, that sure will work! I mean it did in USSR for some time.
What just proves my point again.
RPRXR 1 year ago
@RPRXR The USSR was the land of outstanding achievements, one of them was bilingualism for you, monkeys. You've lost Russian but haven't learned English either. Only fascists are called fascists (and neither did USSR call everybody fascist, I can't imagine that term used in reference to Israelis or Chinese or Argentinians or actually even modern Germans no matter how much one disagrees with the opponent), you are fascist garbage because you are and not because of terminology, got it ?
roobit1970 1 year ago
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Yeah, and the people in western Europe remember Russian armed forces as massive rapists :D LOL.
I see that father Putin's propaganda brainwash has really worked well on you because you repeat it almost word-by-word like a broken grammophone or parrot :D
Hobu123 1 year ago
We also remember Russian army who even ddin't know how to use toilets :D
Hobu123 1 year ago
@Hobu123 You can laugh out loud as much as you want ethno-nazi monkey but the fact is that Nazi Germany invaded Soviet Union but today there is no animosity between Russians and Germans, East or West, but I'll tell you what the reason why there is a problem with you scum is that the ethnostatelets are not real countries (that is why Russia has no problem with Austria or Norway or Switzerland), these are tribal formations made exclusively on racial and linguistic grounds and they have to go.
roobit1970 1 year ago
Estonia belongs to Estonian.....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik this is a Nazi slogan, is there a reason why would you support ethno-Nazis?
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 the only nazi here are you... I respect Estonia so you should do!
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - Nazi in today's content presupposes superiority of one group of people based on ethnicity in a given territory because of the claim, absurd enough, that they were there earlier. Estonia is not a monoethnic state and your fairy tale of Estonians (60% of inhabitants) who are all peasants in the recent past, urbanized by the USSR, being oppressed by other people (40%) is just insolent Nazi talk - no different from the idea of Jews oppressing whatever
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Estonia is not a monoethnic state because russian deported all Estonian.....or they had to escape for fear of Soviet persecution.....This is the reality. the only reality...Estonia belongs to Estonian for this reason.!
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik this is bullshit, it has never been a monoethnic state - it was never a state to begin with but as territory it had Jewish, Russian, German speaking populations who were either expelled or exterminated by Estonian Nazis and ethnofascists. Now if "Soviets" deported "all" Estonians then why do we have a problem: as I see there is a million Estonian-speaking scumbags and cockroaches around which means the Soviets did not deport them all. In fact the deportation is a Nazi myth.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@fabienik - Estonia belongs to Estonian....and American to Indians.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@fabienik America for the Indians! Freiheit für Südtirol!
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Sudtirol doesn't exist. The exact name is Alto Adige and many Italians are killed during the war I to obtain this Italian region. If they want speak another language doesn't care to Italians, but the land belongs to Italy. Different idea for Estonian. Estonia belongs to Estonia from 1918, like Finland! Russian may speak russian in Russia, not in Estonia!!!!
fabienik 11 months ago
@fabienik - Sudtirol (Suedtirol) does of course exist as it is a part of Austria that was wrestled by allies after WWI and it has nothing to do with Italy except is under its jurisdiction. It is true that Italy, like unfaithful whore, stabbed its own allies in the back and some of whore's children perished while doing the dirty deed, but it is something not to be proud of. Estonan ethno state was created in 1918 with help of Bolsheviks but has no similarity. It will be destroyed at the end.
roobit1970 11 months ago
In this movie Russian look like bossy people. Estonian were very cool . They are very democratic people. Estonia deserves to be in UE, NATO and Welcome to Eurolandia. Ciao from Milano Italia. I was in Estonia. Wonderful country.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik you are a fascist and a racist mesmerized by a stupid idea though I am sure even you realize that a place called Eurolandia does not deserve to exist and is not a long term project, neither is tribal fascist Estonia
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 the only fascist here are you !!!EESTI FREE AND INDIPENDENT FOREVER
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik freedom can be for an individual not for a tribe that wants to suppress other, stop bathing in ethnofascist fantasy of an evil tribe that is below you anyway
roobit1970 1 year ago
@fabienik - I already told you have unhealthy obsession with the ethno-scum which I believe can only have sexual or pathological roots as they are inexplainable to Europeans. Estonia is a Russian province or rather two and it will be returned to Russia within next 20 years, mark my words, Estonian ethno-scum will be cleansed and the land will take a fresh breath. I am sure Italy will help in the process of destroying Estonian statelet even though today it occupies foreign land and rapes others
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 you have a strange idea of freedoom.....Estonia belongs to Estonian and always free it will be. Soviet have occupied a not russian territory from 1940, Estonia was idipendent since 1918, like Finland. This is the only reality today. Russian can stay in Russia or if they want live in Estonia they must respect the Estonian's power and Estonian culture.
fabienik 11 months ago
@fabienik - you don't have strange ideas of freedom, you hate freedom and promote purely Nazi viewpoints of superior or older groups or races being dominant in a certain land. In 1918 Russian state did not exist. When Russian state is restored, Estonia - a tribal ethno-Nazi statelet - would have to be eliminated in such a fashion that it won't appear on the map again. Respect views and opinion of others. Not all people are like Nazis and fanatics of minor tribes like yours. Death ti Estonia
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 you are crazy and you have a strange idea if freedoom. Estonia has the right to be indipendent from 1918, and restored its indipendence in 1991, after that Soviets took off their heavy feet from the Estonian land......Relax and think about the idea of freedom....and the right of self determination.....You do seem you so close-minded....
fabienik 11 months ago
@fabienik freedom is for individuals and not for tribes; freedom also means that others have the same right to freedom which is universal regardless of one's ethnicity and origin. You must respect the view that others do not consider that land exclusive domain of a single tribe but may also have claims on it. Claim that they will enforce for the sake of freedom and justice when the right time arrives. You can keep loving ethno-Nazis but don't have illusions that others share the same view
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 Respect Estonian first of all, after we can go on talking....Soviets were hostile and violent towards Estonian for decades. I can understand their disappoint to Russian now. For Italian and the fascists it was the same situation. Estonia is for Estonian, and russians who live there in peace, learning estonian......
fabienik 11 months ago
@fabienik - this can go on and on but I have no interest in talking with you as you are a sympathizer of fascist scum purely, what seems to be, due to personal reasons of some cunt or male whore servicing you and then you got all excited. I don't respect Estonians and I do not grand them even theoretical possibility not of a statete but even autonomy within Russia; mark my words when the time comes that statelet will be eliminated along with phony tribal language. We go back and forth now
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 - your opinion is that Estonians are pure Nazi babies oppressed by evil Soviets and occupied. I think your believe is moronic, delusional. I also think you are a Nazi piece of shit because you deny other people right to heritage in the territory they claim their own. In my view, which is not opinion, due to 20th century calamities, an ethnic statelet was carved up of two Baltic Russian provinces and ethnocracy established there; the ethnocracy has to be destroyed for good.
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 My opinion is so simple. Estonian want to be indipendent and fortunately they so are. And il will be in this way forever......be quiet I am not Fascist....I love freedom respect and self-determination of all populations....russian too. Can you understand? Freedom......is not so difficult to understand....
fabienik 11 months ago 2
@fabienik - there is no right of self-determination unless you are follower of Lenin or Wilson. There is no right of any kind if it supposes deprivation of rights of others. In any case, we are going back and forth but let me tell you even if the entire world will have to be nuked Russia will repossess Russian lands as France took over Alsace and Lorraine and Estonian ethnic state will be destroyed for good - this will be done in a way that it would never be again restorable
roobit1970 11 months ago
@fabienik not forever but maximum of 20 more years and then ethnostate of Estonia will be eliminated for good; it will not be resurrected or restored in any fashion ever because this time it will be done in the right away. I will personally do anything that is in my power and contribute as much as I can financially or otherwise to have it erased from the map. You can go keep on licking Nazi cunts but for the sake of freedom and justice Estonia will be eliminated without a trace or memory.
roobit1970 11 months ago
@roobit1970 OK you have reason. CIAO!!!!!
fabienik 11 months ago
Please stop arguing with this troll roobit1970. He is obviously a professional troll getting paid for propaganda. I am actually amazed that his english is not bad, but his opinions contradict themselves constantly. He claims to hate nazis but he advocates genocide... He is either mentally ill, or his propaganda is aimed at those who are.
Please stop feeding the TROLL!
Thank you and long live Estonia!
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@djEksotik you are a screwed up piece of ethno Nazi work. As of English, it is true that you subhumans had lost the biggest benefit of bilingualism; you lost Russian but never learned English as you can't - instead you converse in the euro-variety of generic pig English. Estonia has to be destroyed; wiped off the map and it has nothing to do with genocide, as genocide presupposes elimination of a certain genetic stock in entirety, something I would never advocate. Down with Esstonia.
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djEksotik 11 months ago
Estonia belongs to Estonian......joint to Ue
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - well, in Russia you would to go jail for saying something like that as you would possibly in Germany while not in Austria or say France, which suppose to be mononational but multiethnic. So say Estonia belongs to Estonians means that America belongs to whites (or to Indians. It is an ethno-Nazi slogan that basically means that one ethnic group (entirely of a single social background, meaning peasants speaking a relict tongue) have monopoly on a territory. That's worse than fascist.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 After decades of sufference Estonia belongs to Estonian. And this is freedom, not fascist think.....only freedom. Estonian after decades of soviet occupation cant stand Russian anymore. This is normal.
And Estonian are not Nazi....they were only tried to be free...and live in indipendent Estonia, but Russian arrived in their country and cut freedom to Estonian....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik you are a Nazi if you believe that one third of population can oppress others merely by their presence on earth, this is totally Nazi talk, it is exactly the same talk Nazis used for the Jews or for Russians as entire Russian minority was exterminated by the Estonian dung digging Nazis,, Russians did not arrive in their country because they did not have a country, it was a land that was under different ownership and became Russian 300 years ago
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Now Estonia is indipendent, like Finland from 1918. Heavy occupied from Soviets. Soviets are dead now. Urss is dead. ciao! Estonia is indipendent and Estonia deserves respect.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik this is not even funny, it is the same as to say as Hutuland deserves independence from Tutisland in Rwanda. I have no idea where you are coming from (not geographically but in the sense of affection for ethnonazis) but for a normal person, not an ethno from a post WWI state, that's bizarre
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Russian have oppress Estonian for more than 50 years. It is normal that now Estonian are not so in favour towards Russian remained in their country....Estonian suffered decades of heavy Soviet's occupation...iT WAS A SOVIET REVENGE....AGAINST ESTONIAN maybe part of Estonian fighted in WWII with German. Estonia fighted against Soviet to try to be indipendent, but Stalin killed them. iS THIS YOUR IDEA OF FREEDOM? ......???
fabienik 1 year ago
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@roobit1970 Russian have oppress Estonian for more than 50 years. It is normal that now Estonian are not so in favour towards Russian remained in their country....Estonian suffered decades of heavy Soviet's occupation...iT WAS A SOVIET REVENGE....AGAINST ESTONIAN maybe because part of Estonian fighted in WWII with German. Estonia fighted against Soviet to try to be indipendent, but Stalin killed them. iS THIS YOUR IDEA OF FREEDOM? ......???
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik Russians did not "arrive" in Estonia since the place was a part of Russia for 300 years. There is not a single town in "Estonia" that is founded by Esthonians. Check Encyclopedia Britannica, not Wikipedia. You cannot occupy your own property, can you? It is not a monoethnic tribal reservation,
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 America belongs to Americans, like Italian belongs to Italian....even if they are black or white.
Russia belongs to Russian and Estonia belongs to Estonians. If you want live in Italy you must speak Italian and study Italian language that it is compulsory for obtain citizenship. this is normal in every country.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - American can be anyone - person of any background, an Estonian is strictly an ethnic term that defines someone who is a peasant speaking a relict tongue or descendant thereof from Russian provinces of Esthonia and northern part of Livonia. One can naturalize and become American or Swiss or Austrian or Brazilian, but one cannot become Estonian (though can become a citizen of that tribal fascist statlet) because Estonian is strictly an ethnic term. You must be a fool to think otherwise
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 you are crazy my friend.....Estonia is a country ....like Italy, German and Sweden.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - of course it is not, it is a territory temporarily created to advance political goals of another superpower using a relict tribe and its imagined grievances as an excuse for doing mischief.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@fabienik @fabienik in your quest to support and whitewash Estonian Nazi scum and their tribal statelet that does not have a right to exist you invent all sorts of bizarre things. I am amazed that you don't know your own country, Italy, or that you have recognized minority languages or even provinces like Sudtirol try googling Provincia autonoma di Bolzano where people can freely speak their language (four official languages).
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 I know my country better than you surely. We Italians have a big heart...Estonian are not nazi, Estonia wanted only freedom, that is a right of everybody. Dont' compare them with AltoAdige Sud Tirol in Italy. They are the most free minority of Europe. They speak their language, but they have never occupation all Italy. Russian did it with Estonia and this is a very big difference. You are beginning to hurt me. Stay in your country and domine the world,in any case nothing change.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik viva l'italia!
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Thanks, but Viva Indipendent Estonia....in Estonia land!
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik No the ethno Nazi statelet has to die along with its "supporters"
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 ok Russia will dominate the world....so you are happy...and stop! If you think so please ...stay far from Italy....Estonia is in Eu.....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik Sure it does like Milan belongs to the Milanese but within Russia and after ethno-Nazis are killed off, the last the job was left unfinished
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Milan belongs to Italy....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik sure it does now and Revel belongs to Russia even though an evil tribe got control over it for a short period of history (just 20 years out of the last 2000).
I am sure this exchange cannot go out forever
roobit1970 1 year ago
Slava SSSR!
Autosamples 1 year ago
Italy had foreign domination for ages, since 1861. So we can understand the aim of Estonian. Estonia free forever!
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik absolutely not, Italy has consisted of great empires, both military and merchant, from Roman down to Venetian republic. You have a fantastic view of ethno-Nazi tribal statelet of Estonia which has to be destroyed. You can't compare enlightened beautiful Italy, a civilization in itself, with a bunch of mean spirited, scummy dung digging peasant savages speaking a non-European tongue.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Estonian wants only to be free, why not? Russia is so big in any case......think about it....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - the size of Russia or Brazil or India (all states, not tribal preservations) are of irrelevance. Freedom should not mean living in an ethnic preservation under imaginary NATO protection, freedom does not a right mean to oppress others. In your logic, Nazis (Estonian and Latvian Nazis killed more civilians in what is now Russia that is Estonian tribal or ethnic population) were deprived of freedom (to kill). A person, like yourself, should be free, a tribe has no such inherent right.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Estonian want only to be free, why not? Russia is so big in any case......think about it....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik I have to go now as this exchange cannot go forever. Of course Estonians like the Aleutians or Anlo-Ewe people or Bembe tribe or the Hutu all have right to live in freedom, however living in freedom does not mean living in an ethnic preserve or having a "right" on monoethnic state or "freedom" to persecute and oppress others. I am sure you'd agree with that
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Yes I agree with you....expecially this message is for Soviet. Estonia now lives in peace and indipendent.....after decades of sufference, how do you think they can oppress other, .....their are like a little child....Estonians behaviour and nationalism are due to their sufference in the past....could you accept this point of view? Ciao.....Freedom is a big thing for every country, isnt' it?
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik - this is not the point as entire leadership of Estonian SSR was ethnic (Estonian peasants) and there were absolutely no measures to discriminate against speakers of that ugly relict tongue. In fact Soviet Union invested vast resources into education of Estosavages and in building of libraries and the stuff, how did all this scum come to streets; they had not even lived in cities until Soviet union, the dung diggers. On the other hand, now they discriminate and oppress.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Russian is so difficult to learn. Estonian is now a language official of UE.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik I don''t bet on EUs future and I am sure Estonia will be destroyed at the end because that's how Nazis ended the last time and so how they will end up now. It has nothing to with Russia (although the present day ethno-statelet of Estonia is on Russian territory) or with domination but with freedom. Freedom must triumph and for this ethno state which exists soleley for oppression of others must die along with its followers.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 At the present Estonia is indipendent free and in Ue. Ue exists. And freedoom too. Russian are not dangerous as in 1940. So what do you want? Antother WW? ....You are crazy my friend. Estonia is indipendent now and forever and deserves respect now and forever. This is the point and your crazy ideas won't change the situation relax! Estonia belongs to Estonian after decades of Soviet sufference, and we in Ue help them forever! Long life to Ue! Long life to peace.
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik you are not for peace if you advocate the apartheid and oppression and ethnic exclusivity or existence of tribal ethnic state, and learn history it was not Russia that attacked Italy but Italy that attacked Russia and murdered countless (hundreds of thousands of civilians) allied with Hitler and Estonian Nazi scum. The end is known and the same end awaits the EU. Down with non-democratic Brussels plutocracy and down with ethnic Nazi scum and its supporters.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 ok ok we are all nazi.....russian are angels.....ok ok .....but estonia will be free forever....
fabienik 1 year ago
@fabienik Estonia is not free now, it is an ethnocracy and as ethnocracy it has to be destroyed. Not, "we are not all Nazis" but you certainly are because you compare people of certain persuasion (fascists like yourself for example) with an ethnic group or a nation and that's typical Nazi talk.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
What is the country where every week come news about how Nazis attacked people and had demonstrations etc?
Oh yes, it is Russia.
Hobu123 1 year ago
@Hobu123 - I am unaware that any of Russian protestors experessed any official policy or were members of any Nazi party unlike Estonian ethnocracy where is an apartheid regime and daily discrimination and harassment in a state built on tribal basis for the worst of the human scum speaking a relict tongue. I am sure the next time Nazi problem will be rectified and I can't understand why Soviets didn't solve it for good when they had a chance but instead bred and fed estofascists.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
LMAO
I see that Russian propaganda machine has washed your brains so well. I see you repeating the usual nonsense spread by that propaganda machine.
Now come visit Estonia and you will be surprised at how much the Russian propaganda machine has lied to you about everything.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you that in country where journalists get murdered when they investigate/criticise the deeds of politicians the propaganda you hear may not be correct? Yes, we speak about Russia.
Hobu123 1 year ago
Hobu123 1 year ago
@Hobu123 stupid little ethno Nazi scummie - your paranoid little cockroaches obsession with Russia is beyond belief, no I have no access to Russian language news but I can tell you one fact hat Russia is toothless with corrupt junta on the top because were it otherwise you would not be alive as every single ethnofascist would be now exterminated and Estonia as ethnocracy wiped off the face of the map. As far as Estonia scumland is concerned I am in the cesspool right now. I know you scum well.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
LMAO
We have lived here for 12,000 years and you can do absolutely NOTHING about that :))))). Now go whining to your mother. No country has managed to wipe us away from here and noone ever will.
Whine, nazi kid, whine. :P
Hobu123 1 year ago
@Hobu123 I ask you again, Nazi piece of ethnogarbage, do you have a paper, a title or a deed from God that says that that particular rotten scummy tribe lived on that particular piece of real estate for 12 000 years. By the way, absolutely nobody ever tried to wipe that scum off the earth and I don't think that would be any problem whatsoever if somebody tried (nobody did) with an effort, ingenuity and provided there is no compassion for nasty animals the place would be clean in a month
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
Back so quickly from crying into your mother's apron?
Yes, we have empirical evidence about our ancestry, although I do not expect you to know what empirical evidence is (hint: it is not "father Putin said"). But it is funny to see that in addition to being brainwashed and racist nazi you are also a religious fundamentalist. All brainwashes in one casing :P LOL
Hobu123 1 year ago
@Hobu123 Nazi-boy, it is you who is brainwashed who believes in totally fake carboard stereotypes the tribal fascist propaganda indoctrinated you with like father Putin who is less fatherly figure than Nazi leader Ansipp or Mart Laar (both too be hanged) to his flock. The Estonian Nazi scumball theory is that because they allege that they've been earlier on a spot of land (we don't know that except that we know that their ancestors dug dung), they have rights iherently superior to others
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Whats with the whole estonians=nazis thing? Thats like all russians being communists.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 - first of all there is nothing negative in being a Communist as there is nothing wrong in an ideology based on collective property ownership, decency and equality (as ideal) as opposed to ethnic or national exclusivity and racial purity and murder or, say, avarice, so I can't see any decent human being taking offense at being called a Communist (unless he is a retard or American or rather retarded indoctrinated American as there are perfectly normal Americans as well).
roobit1970 1 year ago
So though there is perfectly nothing wrong in being a Communist, it would likewise be preposterous to call "all" Estonian Nazis. Naturally enough Estonian scum gathered *right here* and Latvian country dung bacteria are Nazi and today's ethnostatelet is fascist, but surely not all Finno-Ugrian tribesmen between the Baltic and lake Peipus are Nazis, I would estimate the share of rabid ethnofascists and ethonazis (those to be put to death) at about 25% of the population in today's phony statelet
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 25%? Funny how I've spent my entire life living in Estonia and I do not know a single person who is anything close to being a Nazi. And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't Russia the country with the most neo-nazis in the world? But what do I know, I'm just a "rabid ethnofascist" right?
ESTboy123 1 year ago 18
@ESTboy123 exactly, a rabid ethnofascist. I would say that Estonia has the largest percentage of human ethnoscum - I haven't met a Nazi in Russia or for that matter in Austria. Even people who would parade and do foolish things are not Nazis. Estonian statelet is ethnofascist and Estonia is a tribal state, an ethnocracy, with about - I reckon 25% of Finno-Ugric inhabitans being Nazis. Reform or Isamaa or all employees of foreign ministry qualify as ethno-Nazis, not street punks.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 - and I'd say that in my experience in the Czech Republic the percentage of ethnofascist is non-existent and Latvia, with which I am well familiar, is also a far better case - I'd below the percentage of ethnofascits at about or below 10%.. The ethnostatelet of Estonia is a special case, 25% is obviously not the entire population (from among those speaking the local finno-ugric tongue) but I'd say that's the highest percentage in the world. The case will require surgical treatment.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Surgical treatment? Like perhaps another Holodomor?
ghostsinthere2008 1 year ago
@ghostsinthere2008 Holodomor is a fantasy and a fabrication of Galician propagandists. If we take fake Holodmor as example then it is defined death by starvation of indiscriminate number of enemies. Surgery or surgical treatment as a figure of speech (in any European language) means a careful intervention involving and accompanied nby blood-letting. Shooting, stabbing, using Brazen Bull sort of devices on select 150 000 or so ethnonazis would probably qualify as delicate surgery. D'accord?
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 From your comment, it seems that you require some surgical treatment.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 No I don't - I haven't grown an antenna that has to be removed, but a surgery is needed to clean the land of ethno-Nazis, the fact that not all Esths are ethno-Nazis is apparent. How would you translate that by the way, I asked someone who is a native speaker of your relict tongue to write what should I respond and she did Teilt midagi mõistlikku ja inimlikku kahjuks ei saa loota . Seda ju ei saagi olla, sest teie aju asemel on vana nuustik, mis on läbi imbunud Ansipi kaka ja pissiga.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 "Unfortunately I can't expect anything reasonable and humane from you. That's impossible because instead of a brain, you have an old rag drenched with Ansip's poo and piss"
Wow... I must say... you take this thing WAAAYYYY too far. There are no nazis in Estonia; no more than in any other reasonable country in the world. Why you seem to think that Estonia is "the land of ethno-nazis" is beyond me. Estonians aren't like Russians. We don't blindly follow Ansip like they follow Putin.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 well, I didn't write it because I am not from the ethnonazi paradise but someone else did. In my experience, from the USA down to Slovenia and from Norway to Czech Republic, Estonia - and I had talked with people who were frank and honest, from foreign ministry peasants to peasants working the fields, fell by a large margin outside of ordinary, stunned me by their sense of tribal purity and other characteristics that classifies them as fascists.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 "Latvians" -meaning letts in my experience were marginally better, there are occasional nutcases here and there, but seemed to be normal human beings. Most apolitical people I know in the world, not ready to follow anyone,. no matter where they live, are Russians (no matter what is their ethnicity, which can be multiple and diverse) while most politicized, real army of Nazi monkeys are Estonians (who of course can be only one ethnicity) but even among they fascists are a minority.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 What exactly is your evidence for Estonians being nazis? And by "ethno-nazi", do you honestly believe that Estonians are born as nazis? Are you for real dude? I think you have some serious issues. Even more disturbing is your blank statement that "around" 25% of estonians are nazis. Funny because you have probably never even been to Estonia or seen an Estonian person in your life, whatever rock you live under.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 I know Esths quite well . and I come to the ethnonazi statelet regularly, I know esto-Nazis perfsonally, I know what is in their heads (you've translated that) and what makes them tick, I I even own property in the place which is not worth selling as prices went down the gutter
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 So what is your issue with Estonians? And please drop your self made terminology, theres nobody here to impress. You have said Ethno-Nazi about 119 times by now... also, stop it with the statelet.
Clearly you are trying to prove your manliness online, by enforcing your own, twisted view on things upon everyone else. There are no nazis in Estonia, so please chill with this whole "herp-derp esto-nazi" bull... Where are you from anyway? And why do you hate Estonia so much?
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 I don't hate anyone even though I do detest ethnonazis in general and those in the statelet right down across the gulf to the south of finland are particularly replusive specimens, but I'd let it go because as I said this about 100 times so far I realize it cannot go on forever.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 I asked you before though, give some evidence maybe? There are around 1 milion estonians in estonia. I think I would have noticed 250 000 people walking around with swastikas and hailing hitler. Yet I havent seen a single one. Maybe they all live on some island that I have yet to visit in Estonia. Also I doubt there is such a thing as an "ethno-nazi". From your vague statements, I can imagine you saying something like "38% of arabs are born terrorists". GIve some evidence.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 ethnofascism is not about wearing swastikas or saluting long dead Hitler, but a state in which corporate and "national" interests are merged, and the ethno part because the group defies itself strictly in ethnic terms, in the sense of tribal exclusivity on a given piece of real estate, ethnic nationalists or ethno-Nazis are the folks who see their tribal affiliation as a value greater than shared humanity. 20-25% is my fair own estimate, I didn't conduct a census of ethno-Nazis.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 So you despise Estonians for holding on to their nationality after all that they have been through throughout the centuries? Where was this shared humanity when Estonia was annexed in 1940? I think you should stop trying to belittle a small country like Estonia with a sad past and keep your opinions for matters which you actually understand.
Also, there is no such thing as an ethnic nationalist, you are a nationalist or not. And being one does not make you a nazi.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 First of all the term here is ethnicity and not nationality as say my nationality is American but Estonian nationality appeared only in 1991 (thanks to plastered Yeltsin); Estonians did not hold on to their nationality for centuries because the ethnofascist statelet is a recent artificial creation, they had no concept of nationality, they are peasants who referred to themselves Maarahva as even the mere word Esthonia is a new Latinism.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 it is like monkeys having a sense of monkey nationality (and that's an offense to the monkeys by the way). Estonia was not annexed but joined USSR after a referendum the legality of which are certainly no less questionable than recent Iraqi or Afghan elections. Shared humanity means that people see other human beings as themselves and not as members of opposite tribe. I found among Esths (the descendants of peasants from two Russian provinces) that trait to be totally absent.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Are you serious? I mean... are you actually serious? You must be that 0.01% of the world's population that honestly believes Eastern Europe wasn't annexed but joined the USSR by referendum. I mean obviously it didn't have anything to do with the fact that soviet military bases were already in Estonia or that millions of more troops were behind the border. I'm sure the people unanimously voted to be executed and sent to die in Siberia.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 - too few Nazi scumballs were sent to Siberia.. This forum is the best testimony to that. As of serious - yes I am serious, Lenin disembarks at Finland train station in 1917 in an agricultural country that is wrecked by war and in 30 years one third of the planet including China and Mongolia are Communist. That is speed of expansion that if faster than Islam had in 600s, you can't achieve it by force. We are not talking about abstract "Eastern Europe" but about one Russian province
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 You don't cease to amaze me still. I don't think I have ever had a serious discussion with a person who calls others nazis with a passion, yet expresses their own views as being beyond a hardliner nazi. Besides denying crimes against humanity, I quote you: "In fact the deportation is a Nazi myth.", you seem to honestly believe that it wasn't the USSR that occupied Estonia for 45 years, but the 30% russian minority. Which of course makes no sense.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 Nazi myth is simple. You compare demographics. In 1994 in Rwanda, without technical means of any kind some 850000 people were killed within 100 days. Unlike the Hutu Soviet Union plentiful means of destruction and could have cleansed the land in matter of days. However the statistics don't prove than 850 000 Esths were killed in 1940, in fact after war Estonian SSR experienced population growth of all ethnic groups. Never mind that you can't occupy something that is yours.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 It is also disturbing how you can't acknowledge the fact that Estonia is a democratic state like any other, with equal rights for all. The Estonians are not some dirty tribe who beat minorities with clubs. People are treated equally and nobody is supressing any minority. Maybe there is another Estonia that you have visited but I'm not going to let you lie about my country.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 Estonia is an ethnic Nazi statelet in which heritage, the past and the language of one ethnic group is totally suppressed, people are disenfranchised because of who they are, individuals are not treated equally (I have someone arrested and beaten by fascist police because he looked... Jewish). I know a EU diplomat who told me in the 90s that we know those are little fascist shits but we take them in as a they are a good playing card besides the Americans need a launchpad of sorts.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 - esthonian ethnonazis are very much nazis, fascists & not merely nationalists like American or Indian nationalists would be; they are obsessed about their purity and tribal traits (which is hilarious considering their smelly provenance) and are more despicable than anyone I met on earth, collectively speaking. My feeling of disgust deepened as I got to learn them better and personally, In my opinion, the statelet should be liquidated and ethnonazis sent to meet their maker, the satan
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 You speak of liquidating Estonia as a country and Estonians sent to die. Maybe I'm mistaken, but that makes you a Nazi, not Estonians.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 - unlike Nazis who exterminated when they could or disenfranchised when they could not groups of people because of their ethnicity or origin, I only advocate neutralizing the rabid ethnic nationalists and the nazis. As of the nature of Estonian ethnonazism, its origins of it are Soviet, not imported and its roots lie in indulgent Soviet "national" or ethnic policies complete with promotion of tribal languages, creation of "elites", urbanization, maintenance of ethnic republics etc
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 It's not a tribal language. A tribe with over one million speakers of the language is a pretty fuckin big tribe. So stop it with this whole "ethno this, ethno that, statelet, tribe, blabla". Also, if you ask me, anyone who is a Nazi and believes that people should be killed off merely because of their ethnicity do not deserve to live.
ESTboy123 1 year ago 3
@ESTboy123 First of all only Nazis believe that people should be killed or deprived of rights because of their ethnicity. I advocate neutralizing nazis, not killing members of a tribe because of their ethnicity. As of size of tribal language - it is irrelevance there are tribal languages with millions of speakers, such as Santhali tribe language in india with over 5 million speakers. Language and nation are not identical concepts, Switzerland is a nation but there is no Swiss language.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 SO you just simply believe in depriving Estonians from rights because of your beliefs which are probably shared worldwide by 4 others. Estonia is an independent democratic nation, and Estonians are a people. Fucking... Live with it.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 esths are people though without any article, my opinion is shared by absolute majority of humanity, it fact there is a declaration of Human Rights but not of Tribal Rights, that's what all decent people fought against in WWII, mind you that absolute majority of world's population do not live in tribal statelets, it is an exclusively Eastern European phenomenon and a very recent one, dating from the end of WWI and from 1991, they are not known in South America or Asia or old Europe
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 no, I don't believe Estonians (esths) have any collective rights whatsoever that would place them above anyone else, there is a declaration of universal Human Rights but not of Tribal Rights or Ethnofascist Rights, that's preposterous. Yes I checked pre WWI Encyclopaedia Brtiannica and the tribe is there: The Esths, Ehsts or Esthonians, who call themselves Tallopoeg and Maamees, are known to the Russians as Chukhni or Chukhontsi, to the Letts as Iggauni, and to the Finns
roobit1970 1 year ago
@ESTboy123 as Virolaiset. They belong to the Finnish family, and consequently to the Ural-Altaic division of the human race. As a race they exhibit manifest evidences of their Ural-Altaic or Mongolic descent in their short stature, absence of beard, oblique eyes, broad face, low forehead and small mouth. In addition to that they are an under-sized, ill-thriven people, with long arms and thin, short legs. Ref. Britannica 1911/Esthonia Viromaa Lettish Iggaun Senna , a Baltic province of Russia,
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 You done now or? Please get a life and just live and let live. What you hope to achieve by arguing your twisted view of Estonia is beyond me. Maybe someone from Estonia fondled you as a child, I really don't care. Just chill out, look at what you're saying and do something useful with your life.
ESTboy123 1 year ago
@roobit1970
We have been happily living here for 12,000 years, so it is not Russian territory at all, little nazi liar.
Hobu123 1 year ago
@fabienik Also as someone from Italy you should know better: you've got Sud Tirol. Unlike "Estonia" which is merely a tribe of evil peasants who got the land as a grant from a drunken landlord, Italy fought to obtain South Tirol. I've never heard that Italian speakers, who are majority, beat or killed Tyrolese because those speak German or of any other oppression. Estonia is an ethnoNazi (tribal fascist) state and you must be honest with yourself and just face the fact.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 Estonia now belongs to Estonians...this is the reality...Respect them. As regards to Sud Tirol, we respect them, but none of Sud Tirol citizens never has tried to be hostile to Italian or oppressive,and they are few people not dangerous....but Different is to Russian....They have been discriminate and oppressive with Estonian for decades of suffering...It is normal now the behaviour of Estonian......they are few people...and Russia is so big..think about it!
fabienik 1 year ago
One can have a constitutional change which can and should happen without coup d'état (which is illegitimate and usually violent change of authority).- Russians had no voice in the matter as the RFwas established through a constitutional coup d'état itself without referendum or any popular consent. Naturally if a constitutional monarchy is reestablished or if republic continues as it is it may choose to abolish federal structure & call for restoration of a state as it existed before Oct 1917.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970 What are you arguing against? The indigenous people who have lived here for a long time are classified as Estonians. Countries form and fall and take many forms. Estonians managed to form a independent state in 1918. It was confirmed by human set rules of getting recognized and some peace treaties. Yes Russia could set the time back to 1917. But Sweden could reclaim the Rurik dynasty as their own and 862. What is the point? Estonia would be under Russia but Russia would be Sweden.
scrap222666 1 year ago
@scrap222666
This is bullshit, Rurik was not a Swede and never had a Swedish passport. Sweden did not exist at the state of alleged Rurik's (most likely a legendary, fictitious perconage). Rurik (who could as well be a Frank if he existed) had nothing to do with formation of an ethnic state on the terriory of Russia. There is absolutely no way Estonia were to allow to exist if not for the Bolshevik revolution and if that is reversed so should be Estonia's existence. No place for ethnic states.
roobit1970 1 year ago
Estonia did not appear as a state in 1918, it was a ethno or tribal formation in post WWI spirit made by the Bolsheviks and etno nationalists and it had no Russian participation in it. No legitimate authority signed the land away and the emergence of Estonian "state" was not recognized by anyone save for its organizers. There is absolutely no right for tribal self-determination except as a very novel idea (Wilson's and Lenin's) or that a certain tribe has a exclusive right on the territory
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
If Soviet Union had no legitimate authority then why does the current Russian Federation officially celebrate the Great Patriotic War on 9th May? Legitimately speaking, the war was was won by Soviet Union, not Russia.
alfredondatra 1 year ago
@alfredondatra Soviet Union had nothing to do with Estonian ethnofreaks and Bolshevist chicanery as that monstrosity was formed in 1924, Russian Federation, not Russia, is a heir to the Soviet Union and even assumed its debts. Naturally enough it celebrates the victory as Russia would anyway, even if it were to become a monarchy, or say how Italians celebrate victory at Solferino though the victorious forces were not of the modern Italian republic. I didn't get the point of the comment anyway.
roobit1970 1 year ago
This is crazed ethno-Nazi logic. States are not tribes, Swedes never occupied Estonia which did not exist at the time, but the Kingdom of Sweden had possession of two provinces, one of Livonia constituting the southern part of the present territory and the other was Esthonia (Esthland or Estland) that made up the northern part of the same piece of real estate. Kingdom of Sweden ceded the right to the territory under treaty of Nystad to Russia, not Swedes to Russians. Most states are not ethnic.
roobit1970 1 year ago
@roobit1970
You're not addressing the point. Estonia started existing as a state in 1918 and the reason for this was that the Estonian people wanted to create their own country because it promised a better future for their culture, language and land. And it did! What more justification for our existence does one need...
alfredondatra 1 year ago
@alfredondatra - Estonian people wanted nothing, first of all a few Finno-Ugric tribes are hardly "a people" lest Estonian, secondly they did not know they were Estonian until they were told and thirdly no one asked them - no referendums held, nothing of any legitimacy took place except a wartime induced treaty at the time of WWI and Europe-wide devastation between Bolshevik thugs who had no right to sign anything and local ethno-nationalists. That state survived for 20 years. Too long.
roobit1970 1 year ago