Colgan 3407 AIr Traffic Control Audio And Transcript

[cowofawesome]

2:11 cactus forgot his flight number

[mystiqueman366]

was delta 1998 landing on the same runway as 3407? if he was, they must have seen and passed directly over the crash site.

[dingoklectos]

Colgan first-officer sounds drunk (3:28)...probably not enough sleep...

[virtualpilot31]

@dingoklectos She did also have a cold

[SingingYoho101]

God bless the crew and passengers of colgan flight 3407 I rember watchin this on the news.

[CaptAviator]

First time I heard this. You could hear the fatigue and illness in the FO's voice. So sad...not only the loss of life but also what the airline industry has come to. I am one of thousands of commercial pilots who are leaving this industry due to low pay and low quality of life. Its not worth it anymore....

[dingoklectos]

@CaptAviator

Good...if you love flying, then do PPL/IR...commercial training isn't worth it anymore...we have to make sure the greedy ppl (FAA+regional) make 50k/yr mandatory min salary+ 8 hours of SLEEP (not rest) guaranteed between flights...around 10 hours of total rest.

Unless little kiddies stop accepting the pathetic wages, they will be exploited.

We need to start a revolution / revolt...it works! Let the whole airline industry be frozen and profits lost

[IDKanonymous]

@dingoklectos you cant just do that in someways i agree with you on the faa part but you cant MAKE piolts get 8 hours of sleep the best they can do is 8 hours out of a cockpit but the real problem in this crash is the in-experience of the crew and the way they handled the situation that they were pressented with they were in a stall and went against the stick-shaker wich caused the crash so in no way did i mean any dis respect countering what you said

[dingoklectos]

watch pbs show on how roger cohen (president of regional airlines who probably makes 1/2 million per year) justifies that 18000/yr is a good salary...crazy jew!!

[sbc2k1]

@dingoklectos there is a police chief in california that make 600K$ a year!!

[xanalyoko]

ALL viewers!!

Please view Air Crash Investigation Frozen In Flight.

The pics of the plane looks the same as the last 1. Also the audio Transcript and dis say something about others getting ice.

[Zdogs22]

How do commercial pilots know when they are picking up ice when they can not see the wings at all? Always made me curious how they know. Any answers??!

[philhartman13]

The pilot reported the icing levels based on the amount on the windscreen, if that helps.

[reyma8ba]

They know by looking at their flight instruments. Flights instruments tell them their aircraft's performance, so they would know when the aircraft is experiencing adverse performance. So in this case, icing affects lift on the wings (airflow separation) due to the change in the airfoil camber (the wing), Thats how they know basically.

[autopilotIMELd]

Hi, thats a good question. Actually (depending on the airplane) in most cases we CAN see the wing. We can turn on a wing light and look for the visual indicators of icing. Additionally, ice will form on the front windshield of the aircraft. We have procedures for what configuration to have the icing systems in based on temperature.

[alexjamespope]

it builds on the windshield

[alexjamespope]

amongst other things like deteriorating performance/airspeed

[bzubrod]

There are a few indications that we get in the cockpit to make us suspect icing. Ice does a couple things to an aircraft, 1. it adds A LOT of weight to the aircraft, which can, in some cases put the gross weight over the allowable max weight envelope and at that point, a pilot really has no idea how the aircraft will handle or what speed the aircraft will stall at.

[bzubrod]

At ComAir the definition of severe icing is when ice starts to build on the side windscreen (hard to form ice on something that is sideways to the relative wind). The best solution for icing is to not get into it in the first place.

[bzubrod]

The problem with the Colgan crash was that they took too long to realize they were in icing conditions and they did not react correctly to the indication of a stall (they pulled back on the controls rather than forward momentarily to break the stall then add power and increase altitude). Hope this helps, I am a commercial rated pilot myself.

[virtualpilot31]

@bzubrod It also looks like they slowed rapidly if you watch the NTSB video the speed drops like from 180 downward

[av8rdavid2003]

Aprox 35 seconds after colgan acknowledges to switch over to tower (3:48 in this sound clip) you can hear the mic go live for a fraction of a second upon impact..At 3:50 of THIS clip (2 seconds after transmission) you can hear the center calling Colgan 3407...The 35 second of silence and the mic going live for a fraction of a second was DELETED from this clip!!!!!

[phobal]

Cactus 1452 was getting a bit pissy...

[rvrabel2002]

As a flight instructor, i can say with confidence that 80% of students i have instructed do not belong in the air. And that fact applies to the military as well. The difference between the military and civilian flight schools is that in military training, if you screw up, your out....in civilian schools, if you screw up, you pay more money and get chance after chance...if civilian flight schools followed suit, we would have safer skies...

[cedtrucker82]

thank you so much for the proper audit that we pilots use and also for your respect not only for the deceased but for the families. as a commercial pilot you as a person are far and in between to find someone who without biast can post a respectful video so props to you sir and if you are a commercial pilot as iam please remain safe up here

[nihilist66]

If idle chit chat is banned during approach and landing, and from what the latest ntsb releases say both the first officer and the captain were recorded doing, I believe that is relevant. I wish I could only charter c130's.

[Tramsootru]

Yet again, a non-professional pilot critiquing what he does not know.. Idle chat is banned.. However, it is also banned for more than just "during approach and landing." It is banned under 10,000 feet - regardless of phase of flight.

You're chartered C-130 would also experience this "idle banter during approach and landing" also..

It happens.. Sometimes it happens a lot. Sometimes it is very minimal..

Did the "idle chit chat" cause this crash.. No way..

Was it still wrong? Yeh.. It was.

[nihilist66]

Was it a factor in a potentially catasrophic high risk activitiy? Yes. Icing, check. Not completely aware of what stall speed is on this aircraft, ROGER. Not having adequate rest before flying over 40 people, check. Colgan, underpaying their employees, check. expecting them to commute get rest and yet be alert, check. Continental, sub contracting another company to try to limit liability while still advertising their name, check. What a tragedy.

[Tramsootru]

I cannot count the number of horrible rude comments I have received from passengers whose flight was late due to crew rest issues..

Every airline only gives the rest the FAA says is the least they can give..

Rest can be reduced to 8 hours.. That's from the minute the door of the plane opens until the crew must be back at the plane the next day..

So..

45 min to hotel.

30 min to fall asleep

30 min getting ready next am

30 min back to airport

That's 6 hours.

Write the FAA a complaint.

[midgetsmakemehappy]

woman should be baking cookies and cake not flying plane

[bethpage89]

Sterile cockpit is not required during cruise below 10,000 ft MSL.

[mattgreg21]

Ha, ATR rating? Maybe he thought the plane involved was an ATR even though the aircraft type was posted all over the news. They both have a high wing and 2 engines right? People who don't know anything about aviation should stop speculating on an accident where little is currently known besides what the news has quickly and falsly speculated themselves.

[flipper82a]

If anyone gets NTSB reports about this, muchloveCpxx Updates, more than welcome

[airlink33]

barrybocho you obv. are retarded! ex military pilots (which i am) arent the only ones qualified.. and what the hell is an ATR rating? you meant ATP? thats how i know you are kinda stupid. these pilots flew many hours safely and i would love to see you recover a plane at 1800 feet that goes out of control. there is no "paying attention" because the aircraft systems were reading normal. you idiot! wow get a life and please do us all a favor and never post again

[plopfz]

would you have put in power at the same time the gear and flaps went down? Did you see the NTSB animiation? interested in your opinion on that.

[midgetsmakemehappy]

they should speak in ebonics so its fair to black woman piolets not just white males. what about a chinese piolet or a transvestite

[barrybocho]

This is a perfect example of general aviation pilots who should have never been allowed to fly anything larger than a Cessna 172. The two fools did not pay attention to detail. The aircrft stalled at a low altitude and the two jerks were not able to recover. Ex Military Pilots who know how to handle any emergency situation are the only ones qualified for an ATR rating

[Tramsootru]

You are a moron, bocho..

[nihilist66]

Tamsootru, what do you call overriding an auto pilot and not receiving all pertinent information regarding the aircraft that is carrying 49 people that have (maybe not much longer)faith and confidence in your ability and professionalism?

[Tramsootru]

nihilist66 - first of all, the captain DID NOT over-ride the autopilot..

The captain messed up, horribly.. My comment was to bocho who thinks only military guys can fly an airplane.. I've INSTRUCTED military pilots and MOST of them are ace of the base.. However, not all..

What annoys me is all you people who have no idea what you are talking about (ATR ratings/over-riding autopilots) trying to Monday morning quarterback and event you will NEVER understand..

[nihilist66]

You are right, I am not a pilot. However, I have had responsibility of peoples lives entrusted in me in situations that are high risk. Is speech banned, you even stated that it was....my point is this, why were they so cavalier regarding the aircraft with 49 people entrusted in their care?

Then again, at 50k and 16k Colgan, contracted by Continental received what they paid for........what a tragedy for eveyone involved. I hope I never have to fly in a sub contracted puddle jumper.

[marick626]

I am not condoning what they did but you cannot blame training for the cause. Yes, you are trained not to talk gibberish below 10,000ft but both pilots came from different training backgrounds and they still talked. This means it is more common than people think. I think people should look more into human nature than anything else. You are having a conversation and all of a sudden the aircraft stalls. Totally unexpected, sometimes humans react in strange ways when they are panicked.

[Praestantia111]

Here's the newest from the globe&mail:

A "stick shaker" and "stick pusher" mechanism had activated to warn Mr. Renslow that the plane was about to lose aerodynamic lift, a condition called a stall. When the "stick pusher" engaged, it would have pointed the nose of the plane toward the ground to try to increase lift.

But National Transportation Safety Board officials still wouldn't say Saturday whether ice brought down the plane, deepening the mystery of what caused the flight ...to crash