One of my best friends just told me she's going to go ahead with becoming a guy. Hardly a surprise, given her personality, and the fact she's always dressed like a riverboat gambler. In this area she may have more to worry about from the gay community than the general citizenry, as there have been some lesbian attacks on trans women up in the Washington DC area. Mutilation? No breasts, uterus, or prostate means a reduced risk of cancer!
@tanfouk trans women being attacked by lesbians? That's such a shame. I felt the same way when I read that African Americans and Hispanic people voted overwhelmingly against allowing gay people to marriage. I naively assume that people who are subject to bigotry and hatred would have more empathy and a stronger disposition towards fairness and equality.
@thatgaybloke I found it hard to believe, too. These attacks are obviously hate crimes under the new Matthew Shepard law, but getting them prosecuted is a nightmare. I think the bottom line is, a gay redneck is still a redneck.
The people that have had SRS and now regrets it, didn't have a good therapist. I have been transistioned for about a year and a half, I know I need SRS, and will be complete after.
@VoiceOfModeration When I Googled this it came up with a story from 2010. My opinion is going to be based on the reason for funding withdrawal. If, as is suggested in the 2010 story, it is anti-gay then I oppose it. If it's because times are tight and a great deal of funding is being cut to keeps schools and hospitals open - that's the way the cookie crumbles.
@thatgaybloke Hey, Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor) said it was because the pride parade people became too closely associated with the IAW people. (I don't know what it's like for you in your country, but in Canada we have "Israel Apartheid Week") Our PM and the leader of the Liberal party both condemned it as anti-semitic as would I and many other people. It's a disgrace and there's no way it isn't anti-semitic. So thats why Ford said he did it, but critics say it's just an excuse.
@VoiceOfModeration I find it cynical that people who criticise that actions of Israel are immediately accused of anti-Semitism. I don't see the logical connection.
I don't think it is fair to call Ooj bigoted. And being against sex-change operations does not make you trans-phobic, no more than being against plastic surgery makes you plastic-surgery-phobic.
@pkingo1 The reasoning behind opposing sex-change surgery was not clearly defined and what was said didn't make sense - it was very, very similar to the things said by Julie Bindel. The example given in the video to condemn sex change surgery was little more than a rework of Bindel's cherry picked example that she used to further her political perspective. That's my point. If you don't want to be taken for a bigot, don't use their arguments and their words.
What I don't understand is why such a person even has any opinion about it at all.
Most people aren't touched by trans issues, at all, and for someone to suddenly leap out of nowhere with an opinion about it says far more about the character and personality of the person making the comment.
Why Ooj even has an opinion, should be ultimately the point.
@sparrow111260 I was never raped by a priest, but I have an opinion on the Catholic church enabling and protecting their priests who rape children. So I think it's possible and valid to have an opinion about a subject that doesn't touch you directly. I would question the opinion that he has. I have my own conclusion. If you got Nuclear Night to read out a transcript of that video, the words would not have sounded out of place.
Surely one can have an opinion - various unqualified individuals make opinions about nuclear, genetics, evolution and the origin of life all the time, but it never fails to amaze me nevertheless.
Surely it's one's "right" as an individual to have an opinion about the manner of the execution of the Atlas experiment of the Large Hadron Collider - but who would, other than those involved?
So sure he can talk about trans, but would you want to if you're not affected directly by it?
@sparrow111260 People can be well motivated but misguided. I think it's possible to have a view on trans people - I do although not trans myself. My views are based on a desire that all people be treated fairly and with empathy and compassion. My problem with the "trans hate" video is that I felt the views expressed were based on an agenda that had nothing to do with fairness or compassion or empathy.
I think for a lot of us, facing our own prejudices is a very hard thing to do. Most of us like to think "No I'm not prejudiced!" but then we all have them, the trick is learning when someone point out to you how it is prejudiced to absorb that information and and make changes to the way we handle the situation. merg not sure that made sense, it 5:30 am not finished my 1st cup of coffee.
@nelliediddle It doesn't help when we're bombarded with negative feedback on certain groups. When I was a child the only gay people I ever heard about were either child molesters, camp clowns like Larry Grayson or people whose story was generally accompanied by a tag along the lines "my gay shame". Things have moved on to some degree for gay people.
@thatgaybloke Unfortunately, trans people don't seem to have faired so well. The negative portrayal of trans people in the media creates negative stereotypes and it's not always easy to dispel them.
@thatgaybloke I guess for me it's weird because I grew up with "gay" being normal. My moms boss was a costumer who lived with a man, they lived the same way my mom and dad did..and no one ever told me it was wrong, so it simply wasn't. I always thought Ernie & Bert were gay... I was lucky to grow up thinking most sexualities, or perhaps gender identities were just another layer of normal. I still struggle with different [prejudices, but I try to be aware of what they are
@tattooskin72 I have faith in you. I've never seen a video by you I haven't liked yet so I know that even if you're ranting it will be a good rant. Make the video for you and fuck what everyone else thinks.
After I watched your vid, I read the article on Pink News and then read up on Julie. She's also stupid in her ideas about lesbians. I remember hearing all this crap back in the 70's and I'm not pleased to hear it again.
The casual dismissal of gender identity by non-transsexual individuals is highly analogous to a heterosexual who has never had to question or challenge their own orientation or others' assumptions about it telling a homosexual that sexual orientation is just a social construct, and that therefore civil rights for same-sex couples is a waste of time.
Empathy, respect, and basic consideration for the autonomy of others is swamped in a wave of oblivious privilege.
@Justwosweet LOL - don't worry. I didn't take it as offensive. I knew what you meant. I look at my father staring back at me from the mirror in the morning and I still feel like I'm 15.
@TheBigMclargehuge Oh, not this again. Please. If you want to propose that men in our society are oppressed please provide some hard evidence. As it stands, everything I see (e.g. men earning 20-30% more for the same job, no women presidents, number of women on the board of companies vs number of men, number of women in senior political roles vs number of men) suggests that women have a long way to go before they have true equality. If there's oppression it's not BY women.
@thatgaybloke It is difficult for an American male to get custody of his children. This sad fact is in the face of strong evidence that children who grow up in single male households show less likelihood of imprisonment and higher likelihood to graduate college than children who grow up in single female households. Don't forget that women generally choose low-physical risk and subsequently lower paying careers, while men often get passed up for jobs just to keep a gender balance.
@thatgaybloke Basically, women may still be the underdogs in the world. But this does not justify unfair treatment of men as some kind of sick karmic retribution for the rest of society's actions and attitudes in history.
@TheBigMclargehuge I agree - oppression of women does not justify oppression of men. Here in the UK too the courts will generally give custody to the mother - there is some implicit assumption that the mother will be the "better" parent. That is discriminatory and untrue. Perhaps I misunderstood your original post. I concede that people who hate men often class themselves as feminists.
@thatgaybloke However, just because some feminists hate men doesn't mean that feminism is invalid. I consider myself a feminist - I believe that men and women should be treated fairly and equally in our society.
@thatgaybloke - There's more than just custody. If a man wishes to prove assault, he has to be practically dying on the street. If a woman wishes to prove assault, of any variety, she merely has to say it happened. This is because "women feel so scared/shamed when it happens that they refuse to bring up until long after it has happened." If we used *those* standards for *all* crimes, much more than 25% of our population would be "convicted felons," and we'd have far more sex offenders.
@thatgaybloke - I asked some feminists if the following situation constituted "raping a woman." A woman, or group of women, kidnap a man, take him to their place, tie him up naked, and make mad, passionate love to him. While they're doing this, they keep saying, "No! No! No!" The overwhelming response was "He's raping her, because they're saying 'No!' and it's happening anyway!" What part of "He's tied up and can't stop it" don't they fucking understand!? o.O
@LeksServices Are you taking the piss? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while & I refuse to believe that anyone would seriously hold that position.
I don't know why your videos have not been appearing in my subscription tray. As ever, your opinion is presented calmly and intelligently.
geffel 10 months ago
Excellent. I missed this over the Easter holiday.
rozeboosje 10 months ago
One of my best friends just told me she's going to go ahead with becoming a guy. Hardly a surprise, given her personality, and the fact she's always dressed like a riverboat gambler. In this area she may have more to worry about from the gay community than the general citizenry, as there have been some lesbian attacks on trans women up in the Washington DC area. Mutilation? No breasts, uterus, or prostate means a reduced risk of cancer!
tanfouk 10 months ago
@tanfouk trans women being attacked by lesbians? That's such a shame. I felt the same way when I read that African Americans and Hispanic people voted overwhelmingly against allowing gay people to marriage. I naively assume that people who are subject to bigotry and hatred would have more empathy and a stronger disposition towards fairness and equality.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke I found it hard to believe, too. These attacks are obviously hate crimes under the new Matthew Shepard law, but getting them prosecuted is a nightmare. I think the bottom line is, a gay redneck is still a redneck.
tanfouk 10 months ago
@tanfouk I get very disappointed when I hear gay people being racist. I think that maybe you're right - that a gay bigot is still a bigot.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
The people that have had SRS and now regrets it, didn't have a good therapist. I have been transistioned for about a year and a half, I know I need SRS, and will be complete after.
joaninga1 10 months ago
*standing ovation*
Vogter666 10 months ago
What do you think of the gay pride parade being defunded in Toronto??
VoiceOfModeration 10 months ago
@VoiceOfModeration When I Googled this it came up with a story from 2010. My opinion is going to be based on the reason for funding withdrawal. If, as is suggested in the 2010 story, it is anti-gay then I oppose it. If it's because times are tight and a great deal of funding is being cut to keeps schools and hospitals open - that's the way the cookie crumbles.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke Hey, Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor) said it was because the pride parade people became too closely associated with the IAW people. (I don't know what it's like for you in your country, but in Canada we have "Israel Apartheid Week") Our PM and the leader of the Liberal party both condemned it as anti-semitic as would I and many other people. It's a disgrace and there's no way it isn't anti-semitic. So thats why Ford said he did it, but critics say it's just an excuse.
VoiceOfModeration 10 months ago
@VoiceOfModeration I find it cynical that people who criticise that actions of Israel are immediately accused of anti-Semitism. I don't see the logical connection.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
Very well said. Great video!
kelliko70 10 months ago
I don't think it is fair to call Ooj bigoted. And being against sex-change operations does not make you trans-phobic, no more than being against plastic surgery makes you plastic-surgery-phobic.
pkingo1 10 months ago
@pkingo1 The reasoning behind opposing sex-change surgery was not clearly defined and what was said didn't make sense - it was very, very similar to the things said by Julie Bindel. The example given in the video to condemn sex change surgery was little more than a rework of Bindel's cherry picked example that she used to further her political perspective. That's my point. If you don't want to be taken for a bigot, don't use their arguments and their words.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke
What I don't understand is why such a person even has any opinion about it at all.
Most people aren't touched by trans issues, at all, and for someone to suddenly leap out of nowhere with an opinion about it says far more about the character and personality of the person making the comment.
Why Ooj even has an opinion, should be ultimately the point.
sparrow111260 10 months ago
@sparrow111260 I was never raped by a priest, but I have an opinion on the Catholic church enabling and protecting their priests who rape children. So I think it's possible and valid to have an opinion about a subject that doesn't touch you directly. I would question the opinion that he has. I have my own conclusion. If you got Nuclear Night to read out a transcript of that video, the words would not have sounded out of place.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke
Surely one can have an opinion - various unqualified individuals make opinions about nuclear, genetics, evolution and the origin of life all the time, but it never fails to amaze me nevertheless.
Surely it's one's "right" as an individual to have an opinion about the manner of the execution of the Atlas experiment of the Large Hadron Collider - but who would, other than those involved?
So sure he can talk about trans, but would you want to if you're not affected directly by it?
sparrow111260 10 months ago
@sparrow111260 People can be well motivated but misguided. I think it's possible to have a view on trans people - I do although not trans myself. My views are based on a desire that all people be treated fairly and with empathy and compassion. My problem with the "trans hate" video is that I felt the views expressed were based on an agenda that had nothing to do with fairness or compassion or empathy.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
Great piece of work
memrjohnno 10 months ago
I think for a lot of us, facing our own prejudices is a very hard thing to do. Most of us like to think "No I'm not prejudiced!" but then we all have them, the trick is learning when someone point out to you how it is prejudiced to absorb that information and and make changes to the way we handle the situation. merg not sure that made sense, it 5:30 am not finished my 1st cup of coffee.
nelliediddle 10 months ago
@nelliediddle It doesn't help when we're bombarded with negative feedback on certain groups. When I was a child the only gay people I ever heard about were either child molesters, camp clowns like Larry Grayson or people whose story was generally accompanied by a tag along the lines "my gay shame". Things have moved on to some degree for gay people.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke Unfortunately, trans people don't seem to have faired so well. The negative portrayal of trans people in the media creates negative stereotypes and it's not always easy to dispel them.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke I guess for me it's weird because I grew up with "gay" being normal. My moms boss was a costumer who lived with a man, they lived the same way my mom and dad did..and no one ever told me it was wrong, so it simply wasn't. I always thought Ernie & Bert were gay... I was lucky to grow up thinking most sexualities, or perhaps gender identities were just another layer of normal. I still struggle with different [prejudices, but I try to be aware of what they are
nelliediddle 10 months ago
Great video :)
AnnikaGarratt 10 months ago
Great video, as usual! Keep it up :)
poeticlunacy1 10 months ago
Did you take down your video as a response to skidrow's or did he do that himself?
loveofphysics 10 months ago
@loveofphysics I moved it from the original at his request. I don't see it there. It might be waiting for approval.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
Another well thought out video....
depfox 10 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Julie Bindel fucking rules.
iremythpurr 10 months ago
Why can't I just get on camera and do it like you? This was simply amazing how you so eloquently put it all out there.
tattooskin72 10 months ago
@tattooskin72 I have faith in you. I've never seen a video by you I haven't liked yet so I know that even if you're ranting it will be a good rant. Make the video for you and fuck what everyone else thinks.
exacerbatedtaboo 10 months ago
I don't think gender identity is just a social construct a lot of the left seem to preach this as fact
sausage4mash 10 months ago
The RCPhsyc Conference... what were they thinking? Having Julie Bindel speaking at it was like some bad joke.
Maybe next time they'll get it right.
TheTruePooka 10 months ago
Well spoken, sir.
Hereticbooks 10 months ago
After I watched your vid, I read the article on Pink News and then read up on Julie. She's also stupid in her ideas about lesbians. I remember hearing all this crap back in the 70's and I'm not pleased to hear it again.
phenixwryter 10 months ago
bottom line, its my body----sod off!
rednecktrucker1969 10 months ago 6
@rednecktrucker1969 *Applauds loudly* Well said Sir!
ScreamsFromTheAbyss 10 months ago
Great video :)
BaronesaReturns 10 months ago
Great video.
The casual dismissal of gender identity by non-transsexual individuals is highly analogous to a heterosexual who has never had to question or challenge their own orientation or others' assumptions about it telling a homosexual that sexual orientation is just a social construct, and that therefore civil rights for same-sex couples is a waste of time.
Empathy, respect, and basic consideration for the autonomy of others is swamped in a wave of oblivious privilege.
Wosbachia 10 months ago
Good vid. Personally I believe gender identity is real and not a social construct. Gender roles however are a social construct.
I also believe gender roles further the exclude pre op trans and are all to easily adopted post op as a result.
I'm not an expert though.
FriendOregon 10 months ago
Excellent video.
fuckoverload 10 months ago
Discussions like this make me reach for the line of the pro-choice movement,"It's my body so FUCK OFF!"
loveofphysics 10 months ago
Well put :-)
Nilsy1975 10 months ago
You hit the nail on the head. Thank you. I wish I had been so calm and collected. :/
TheLaughingOut 10 months ago
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Justwosweet 10 months ago
@Justwosweet I'm under no such illusion.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke That came out wrong. I love your videos.
Justwosweet 10 months ago
@Justwosweet LOL - don't worry. I didn't take it as offensive. I knew what you meant. I look at my father staring back at me from the mirror in the morning and I still feel like I'm 15.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
you wanna attach it to my new video? i already addressed most the things you say in this video.
SkidRowRadio 10 months ago
@SkidRowRadio Ah. Trust me to be behind the times. I attached it to the first one. I can move it if you'd prefer.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke i would prefer yes.
peace
SkidRowRadio 10 months ago
@SkidRowRadio Done.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke nice one fella
SkidRowRadio 10 months ago
Feminism is widely used to justify the oppression of men particularly in the USA.
TheBigMclargehuge 10 months ago
@TheBigMclargehuge Oh, not this again. Please. If you want to propose that men in our society are oppressed please provide some hard evidence. As it stands, everything I see (e.g. men earning 20-30% more for the same job, no women presidents, number of women on the board of companies vs number of men, number of women in senior political roles vs number of men) suggests that women have a long way to go before they have true equality. If there's oppression it's not BY women.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago 2
@thatgaybloke It is difficult for an American male to get custody of his children. This sad fact is in the face of strong evidence that children who grow up in single male households show less likelihood of imprisonment and higher likelihood to graduate college than children who grow up in single female households. Don't forget that women generally choose low-physical risk and subsequently lower paying careers, while men often get passed up for jobs just to keep a gender balance.
TheBigMclargehuge 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke Basically, women may still be the underdogs in the world. But this does not justify unfair treatment of men as some kind of sick karmic retribution for the rest of society's actions and attitudes in history.
TheBigMclargehuge 10 months ago
@TheBigMclargehuge I agree - oppression of women does not justify oppression of men. Here in the UK too the courts will generally give custody to the mother - there is some implicit assumption that the mother will be the "better" parent. That is discriminatory and untrue. Perhaps I misunderstood your original post. I concede that people who hate men often class themselves as feminists.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago 4
@thatgaybloke However, just because some feminists hate men doesn't mean that feminism is invalid. I consider myself a feminist - I believe that men and women should be treated fairly and equally in our society.
thatgaybloke 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke - There's more than just custody. If a man wishes to prove assault, he has to be practically dying on the street. If a woman wishes to prove assault, of any variety, she merely has to say it happened. This is because "women feel so scared/shamed when it happens that they refuse to bring up until long after it has happened." If we used *those* standards for *all* crimes, much more than 25% of our population would be "convicted felons," and we'd have far more sex offenders.
LeksServices 10 months ago
@thatgaybloke - I asked some feminists if the following situation constituted "raping a woman." A woman, or group of women, kidnap a man, take him to their place, tie him up naked, and make mad, passionate love to him. While they're doing this, they keep saying, "No! No! No!" The overwhelming response was "He's raping her, because they're saying 'No!' and it's happening anyway!" What part of "He's tied up and can't stop it" don't they fucking understand!? o.O
LeksServices 10 months ago
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@LeksServices lol that's ridiculous!
AnnikaGarratt 10 months ago
@LeksServices Are you taking the piss? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while & I refuse to believe that anyone would seriously hold that position.
bimblinghill 10 months ago