Bela aquisição. Lembrando que essa foi uma compra de oportunidade, foram comprados 3 navios patrulhas, com a LICENÇA de fabricação da mesma classe aqui no Brasil, ou seja, no futuro Brasil poderá projetar e construir outros além desses 3. Caso alguém queira saber quando elas vão estar navegando por essas bandas, 2 estão previstas para esse ano (2012) e a 3ª para o início do ano que vem (2013).
Este navio tem pouco armamento porque era destinado a Guarda Costeira de Trinidade e Tobago, que é um pequeno país ao note da Venezuela e não tem Marinha,
Vcs esquecem que nós não temos Guarda Costeira no Brasil e esta atividade é acumulada pela Marinha do Brasil, portanto este navio tem utilidade, ele é um OPV(Patrulha) e não deve ser confundido com uma Fragata ou Corveta, que são navios de guerra, apesar do elevado peso, pois é um patrulha oceânico.
Desculpe companheiros mas vou desabafar aqui, já faço isto nas eleições Me atrevo a afirmar que a publicação no DIÁRIO OFICIAL DA UNIÃO é só uma mera formalidade e abaixo explicarei pq !!!
Os Navios eram para a "poderosa" nação de Trinidad e Tobago, mas pra nossa "felicidade" eles cancelaram a compra e Dilma num gesto de solidariedade a BAE Systems vai pagar a pequenina cifra de uns míseros R$ 387.203.820,00 ou seja mais de cem milhões de reais por navio!!!
Uns pau mandado¹³ vão alegar que os navios são zero bala e que nós precisamos por causa do pré-sal mas em contrapartida os¹³ vão omitir que os equipamentos não estão a altura da tarefa a que se destinam no Brasil ou vocês acham que a BAE Systems colocou equipamentos de fazer inveja a OTAN nestes navios destinado a Trinidad e Tobago?Até onde sei, nenhuma mudança foi feita pq o Brasil 6° economia comprou-os!
esses R$ 387.203.820,00 fazem falta e como fazem nos nossos estaleiros que a cada dia perdem encomendas de todos os tipos, descumprem prazos de entrega(vide Petroleiro João Cândido) devido a falta de planejamento do governo Petista cujo projeto de "nação com complexo de superpotência emergente com direito a assento permanente no CS da ONU é baseado em "soluços econômicos" e não a médio e longo prazo
Na última tentativa de tirar da reta os¹³ alegaram que foram os Almirantes da Marinha que escolheram, não Dilma !! Essa é outra argumentação¹³ interessante!!!A verdade é que antes do primeiro Almirante ficar sabendo, políticos ligados a equipe de Dilma já fizeram diversos contatos com a BAE Systems (por isto o vazamento de informações)e os Almirantes e pessoal militar só são comunicados que o navio é este e caso rejeitem, não haverá nenhum para MB como é o caso do FX-02 de Lula na FAB !!!
É claro que desde o início tudo foi meticulosamente controlado por Dilma e sua equipe de "revanchistas" pois mesmo sendo uma encomenda bélica, é uma encomenda de caráter político&governamental o qual os revanchistas fazem questão de humilhar nossos militares comprando equipamentos obsoletos para cumprir sua missão constitucional !!
well yes your rite there it as not entered service its i think 17/8/2011 it got commissioned 27/8/2010 but it as always been entering service at that date its not changed and there are no problems only problems from when it ran aground and it takes around 1 year after its been commissioned to enter service
and at the min im in the progress of transferring to FPGRM so then ill be on warships most of the time or protecting nuclear subs
Interesting to see the way the camera panned around the vessel so fast. So fast that it was difficult to see what armament was fitted so I was wondering if that was deliberate. I was wondering if it had a manually aimed 50 cal at the front but something bigger mounted on the sides?
I'm sorry to see the Pee Pee gov't canceling these badly needed vessels! the guyanese and Indo drug lords have won this round but will lose the war. we all know Indians in T&T not into fighting the SOURCE of violence in our nation the hope for them and their relgious leaders is for T&T's creole society to slowly die out by any means while they move closer to the "INDESH| dream.
@CreoleCommando UK has a hell of a time trying to export ships. Brunei canceled their order to BAE as well. The quality is poor for the expense. French sales dwarf the UK.
french dont realy sell any ships apart from wot thay made for there self but cant aford like the assault ship but the frigates are made my a couple of countrys not just the french
@wiganerrmc DCNS has sold 15 La Fayette FFG, 18 Scorpene SSK, 5 FREMM DDG and 4 Mistral LHP. France is not selling her own Mistrals but building new ones for Russia. All BAE sells are corvettes and OPVs, of which get returned by Brunei. UK has really fallen off the export map when it comes to warships.
@stalkingalizee some la fayette were built in over countrys Scorpene SSK 4 countrys build them FREMM is also built in a couple of countrys
type 21 sold 6 , type 22 sold 8 type 23 sold 3 , type 42 sold 2 hunt class sold 4 british aircraft carrier now INS Viraat sold 1 how have britian fallen we was building the horizon class with france italy but because britian wonted a more powerful one thay dropped out
@wiganerrmc Let me emphasize DCN has sold all those ships as NEW. The ones you list are hand-me-downs sold for pennies, mostly during the Cold War. Everything I listed is sold after the Cold War to this current day. We have just as many hand-me-downs sold as well, but their contract value isn't worth mentioning. UK is not even a player in warship export today. The Type 45 has less offensive fire power than a Horizon, T45 have no Harpoons, crap sonar and no ASW torpedoes.
@stalkingalizee type 45 is alot better armed than horizon type 45 4 x Sea Skua anti-ship missiles. 1 x 4.5 inch Mark 8 naval gun has an anti-ship role. 8 x RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile. GUNS 1 x BAE Systems 4.5 inch Mk 8 mod 1 gun. 2 x Oerlikon 30 mm . 2 x Miniguns and up to 6 x GPMG 2 x Phalanx 20 mm Anti-submarine 1 x MFS 7000 sonar 2 x Sting Ray torpedos alot more than horizon class plus type 45 can also carry tommake cruise missiles
@wiganerrmc It has no Sea Skua, no Harpoon, no Phalanx and no torpedo launchers. The MFS 7000 is a cheap threat detection sonar the same going to old Brazilian ships. It carries one ASW Merlin which are only torpedoes. Launcher won't even fit Tomahawk.
Horizon carries 8 MM40 Blk 3 with land attack to 180km, Thales 2087 sonar, best in the world ordered by USN and RN, MU-90 carried are 1 dozen from two TUBES. Mix of 24 AM39 Exocet ASM or MU-90 for NH-90. 2X 76SR, best AA gun.
@stalkingalizee horizon dont have the 2087 Sonar but i no type 23 as it
otobreda is not best gun hahahaha its far from it its 1 of the worst navel guns out there today
and yes it dose as sea skua it as 4 its dont have the harpoons yet but the phalanx got fitted to the hms daring about 2 weeks back but we can launch BGM-109 tomahawk
so realy all we dont have yet is the harpoons but it aready as provision for but not fitted with
@wiganerrmc The 4110CL is the domestic name of the 2087 so it does have it. It is a French sonar of course. 76SR has the fastest rate of fire of any naval cannon in its class or higher. It is the best AA gun in the world and it has two. T45 doesn't carry Sea Skua as MerlinH1 only carries torps or mines. Phalanx hasn't been fitted as Daring was in dock unscheduled to repair damage from a tug. It will NEVER launch BMG-109 as the hold isn't deep enough.
@stalkingalizee ye thales is french now but it used be owned by britian
76sr is shit rate of fire means fuck all it as a small shell it range is shit its not even that accurate
type 45 dose carry sea skua and phalanx have been fitted and yes it will launch BMG-109 with its upgraded VLS but that as not been fitted yet and do you wont to no how i no these thing im in the navy im a RMC i have a mate which as sailor who as been on hms daring
@wiganerrmc Thales has always been a French company, it is state owned.
76SR is the fastest firing naval gun in its class and is the latest development of a gun used by 53 navies. Nothing compares.
T45 doesn't carry Sea Skua or Phalanx... you will not find any photos backing up your claims. TLAM won't fit as it is 1.1m longer than the missile bay.
@stalkingalizee no it was called racal electronics but the french changed it to thales 22 countrys use it not 53 and out of all them only 3 of the countrys have strong navies all the rest are cheap stuff and just because its fast at fireing dont mean its good wots better at killing someone from a mile and half a assault rifle of a sniper rifle
and its only a small shell 3inch the ones used on the british and american warships are 50% bigger
@stalkingalizee plus bae is makeing a new one bae advanced weapons system which is 6inch and can fire 154km around 6 times more than the shitty 76SR and it also has 750 rounds which is about 10 times more aswell than 76sr on the horizon
@stalkingalizee Well well, you seem to be on most UK related naval videos I come across. Small world eh?
4110 CL is not the same as Type 2087, 4110 CL is a bow mounted mine avoidance and torpedo warning sonar not too dissimilar to MFS 7000; effectively a cheaper, lesser version of 4110 CL. Type 2087 is a high performance towed array sonar developed in the UK, what you're thinking of is CAPTAS 4 which is a derivative of Type 2087 for use on the French/Italian ASW FREMMS to accompany the 4110 CL.
@stalkingalizee plus MU90 is old and outdated wots top speed about 30 knots alot of ships would able out run it look at the ones on the type 45 mach0.8 you have to be within 10km to fire the MU90 at top speed you can fire the sea skua from 25km at a speed of around 500knots or the harpoons 125km or the tommanhawk 2500km
@wiganerrmc MU-90 has a top speed of 50kts, 30kts is the passive cruise speed until it goes active. It is a lightweight torp designed to launch from helicopters hovering over its target or a ship with a tailing sub. It is far better than others on the market. T45 has no Sea Skua, harpoons or Tomahawk. Exocet blk 3 range is 180km for ship and land targets.
and no samson can control up 2 10 missiles at any one time weres the horizon can only control 1 i think it is
type 45 can pretect from anywere but its main purpose is anit air the horizon can only protect 1 the aircraft carrier the type 45 can protect all the ships in the fleet
and most of the time thay will be out in battle groups so thay will have over warships with them
@wiganerrmc It HAS 1 Merlin H1. I suggest you look at a picture. You will also find it has no phalanx or Harpoons. EMPAR at only one missile eh? What planet are you on?? The Cassard can engage two so that wouldn't be much of an improvement. It can guide 24 missiles at one time. Source: The Naval Institute Guide
Clearly it can protect the fleet just as well as the T45, they both have the same PAAMs.It can do it far better in ASW and ASM. Horizon is simply more versatile.
@stalkingalizee yes it as it got fitted about 2 week ago 1 of my mates is on daring and its in portsmouth now getting some work done im looking at joining fleet protection and getting posted on daring
no horizon can only control 1 missiles at onces it can fire 48 at once but only control 1
ddg-51 can only fire 1 every 3 secs
why do you thing britian left the horizon project look it up
@wiganerrmc Send me a picture of its phalanx mount. Would love to see it so I can add it to my fleet command database. It is too easy to kill the T45 once you deplete the Asters.
and hahaha its too easy to kill the type 45 how do you work that one out it can shoot down any incoming missile these not a missile out there today which can get past the missile system
plus most of the time thay will be with over warships like the type 22 and type 23
Would love to see it so I can add it to my fleet command database ..............wot you chatting now
@wiganerrmc Kind of hard for it to be with the T22 when they are all being scrapped. Since SOP is to fire two missiles per target, missiles are depleted after 24 tracks. Any heavy or sustained attack will deplete its missile supplies.
Fleet Command is a combat sim used by the US Naval Academy. I have a fully updated copy to model combat missions. Once the T45 runs out of Asters, it is a sitting duck to air attack. Adding phalanx will make it last longer.
@stalkingalizee and when the t45 runs out of asters thay can always put more in when your in a war you have battle groups so supplies are always nearby
@wiganerrmc I said it requires ZERO movement. It can't be loaded from a rolling ship at sea. Once they are depleted, that is it. That is why it is nice to have air cover so planes can continuously rearm. Too bad you have none.
@stalkingalizee we do have planes if you are onabout are sea harriers then no we dont but guess wot we have the french charles de gaulle under are command if we need it
plus if we did go to war and were in a battle group we would have are new sub the astute class worlds most advanced sub with the worlds most advanced warship the type 45
@wiganerrmc You have nothing under your command. You won't even have an operational air wing until post 2020. The agreement is only for training during refits and NATO coalitions. RN is on its own in any unilateral operation.
The jinxed Astute? That thing won't finish sea trials at the rate of its problems. Electrical fire, grounding, rammed by a tug, anchor don't work, sewage don't work, navigation don't work, weapons support don't work. Only French made sonar UAP4 and periscope work.
@stalkingalizee no astute run aground near isle of skye we when it was trying be freed a tug hit it causeing minor damages that it everyting works on it but a couple of subs have run aground there because the tide gose out very fast
and it as entered service
if there was all them problems then it cant of entered service because of health and safty rules
@stalkingalizee Astute is no longer on sea trials, she was handed over to the MoD last August. She's currently on weapons evaluation, which will include test fitting of the Tomahawk and Spearfish in the US, and trials to test her fighting capability until officially entered into service later this year.
Also you do realise that UAP(4) is an ESM system, not a sonar, right? Nor is it 'French made'.
@stalkingalizee Apart from use of the term 'sea trials', all you did was repeat my comment back to me. IIRC Sea trials refers to trials to test a vessels seaworthiness and diving ability, in the case of submarines, that are performed by the builder prior to handing over to the customer. Astute, having been handed over, is now on trials to test her combat capability and once completed she'll be declared fully operational.
@rvfharrier Quote from Defence Management over the latest mishap dated 7.2.11.
"HMS Astute has suffered another setback during SEA TRIALS, with onboard system failures forcing the nuclear-powered submarine to return to port at Faslane. Weapons support and sewage systems failed, with reports suggesting the latest issue left the 90-strong crew unable to use the submarine's onboard toilets... forced to stay in Faslane for up to six weeks while the problems are rectified and systems repaired."
@stalkingalizee Well it seems the term 'sea trials' isn't as specific as I thought it was. I've always known sea trials to refer to the trials that test a vessel's speed, turning circle, stability etc. Astute is beyond those, having been handed over and commissioned into the Navy and now being subjected to trials that test the boat's war fighting capability and then operational workup. Apparantly those are all classed under sea trials too, though they differ considerably.
@rvfharrier An active ship is one that is ready to go on active duty, hence the term active. Sea Trials is the state before a ship goes on active duty, hence the term trials. There are Sea Trials and even Weapons Trials... all occur before a platform is active.
we do have planes if you are onabout are sea harriers then no we dont but guess wot we have the french charles de gaulle under are command if we need it
plus if we did go to war and were in a battle group we would have are new sub the astute class worlds most advanced sub with the worlds most advanced warship the type 45
@stalkingalizee plus we will have 2 new super carriers with f-35c stealth fighters and the carriers will be around 75.000 tonnes full load and the french will also be building one of them after we let them
@wiganerrmc Actually, you will only have one carrier fitted with catapults and it is only going to compliment 12 F-35s. It isn't even worth putting to sea. Too bad those 40 F-35s have to be shared with RAF. France gets 60 Rafale all for the Navy while the Air Force gets 234. We will probably buy the hull of Prince Charles and make it PA2. RN can buy some FREMM in exchange.
@stalkingalizee wrong britian is now getting 137 f-35 i think some are f-35c which are for the carrier with the catapults that is also so that US and over allies can use it but the over carrier will be for f-35 b which is STOVL plus we will have 232 eurofighters and were onabout makeing more an upgrade version for the carriers with catapults when is france getting a 5th gen fighter and i think were useing the fremm hull for 1 of the future surface combatant
@wiganerrmc Stalking has been wrong in certain areas, but maybe it would be best to stop giving him ammo?
The original 138 F-35Cs would be great to see, but the initial order will be considerably less than that. The number won't be dediced upon until the 2015 SDSR, but it's expected to be between about 40 and 70 aircraft. As for 232 Eurofighters, also incredibly unlikely. At present, we're heading for a fleet of 107 of them.
T26 won't use a FREMM hull, it's likely to be based on the Type 45's.
@wiganerrmc Other way around. C1, Type 26, will displace around 6,000 tonnes. C2 is expected to displace closer to 4,000 tonnes, with C3 perhaps coming in at around 3,000 ideally. C2 and C3 should be based on a common hull and around the above displacements, otherwise they've missed a chance to build a ship relevant to operational needs.
@wiganerrmc Stalking has been wrong in certain areas, but maybe it would be best to stop giving him ammo?
The original 138 F-35Cs would be great to see, but the initial order will be considerably less than that. The number won't be dediced upon until the 2015 SDSR, but it's expected to be between about 40 and 70 aircraft. As for 232 Eurofighters, also incredibly unlikely. At present, we're heading for a fleet of 107 of them.
T26 won't use a FREMM hull, it's likely to be based on the Type 45's.
@stalkingalizee and when you was onabout navel guns wot about the Mk 110 57 mm gun that is alot better than the one on the horizon it as better everything even fire rate
@wiganerrmc Mk 110 isn't fitted on Type 45. It has a Mk 8 113mm. The 57mm round only has half the range and dispersion of the 76mm. Firing rate isn't any better so no, it is not better for AAW and certainly not bombardment.
@stalkingalizee i no mk 110 is not fitted to the type 45 but you was onabout fire rate and mk110 is 240 rounds a min otobreda 76 mm is 120 rounds a min in super rapid
@stalkingalizee no thay have not italy made 2 of the 4 fremm
DCNS
Navantia
Mazagon Dock Limited
Brazilian Navy Shipyard
are makeing the Scorpene SSK
and La Fayette countrys helped DCNS building them
and there are country which are byeing ships of britian like oman and many more like austraila ,and the new new chile frigates, romanian frigates and brunei plus bae do alot of work on US warships plus BAE is a british company and its the biggest defence company in the world
India and Brazil are paying billions for licensed hull building, completely fitted by France and life support, several more billions.
DCN built all the La Fayettes except the last five of Singapore which paid billions under license, complete fitting and life support by France for billions.
Only thing BAE exports new are corvettesopvs. Second hand junk isn't worth mentioning.
Lockheed Martin is the biggest defence company in the world.
BAE do military vessels from Aircraft Carriers, Amphibious/Auxiliary Vessels, Destroyers, Frigates, Corvettes, Offshore Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Craft, right through to Mine Counter Measure Vessels, Patrol Boats, Fast Interceptor Craft and Rigid Inflatable Boats
thay are also building the new 2 landing helicopter dock for australian navy and there around 30.000 tonnes
and no BAE is now the worlds biggest defence company
@stalkingalizee SIPRI Rankings Say BAE World's Biggest Weapons Firm - Defense News ... that BAE became the largest arms-producing company in the world in ...
@wiganerrmc SIPRI has only come out with the 2009 rankings as they are two years delayed. It belonged to Lockheed. Defense News has their own and Lockheed is on top for 2010.
Bela aquisição. Lembrando que essa foi uma compra de oportunidade, foram comprados 3 navios patrulhas, com a LICENÇA de fabricação da mesma classe aqui no Brasil, ou seja, no futuro Brasil poderá projetar e construir outros além desses 3. Caso alguém queira saber quando elas vão estar navegando por essas bandas, 2 estão previstas para esse ano (2012) e a 3ª para o início do ano que vem (2013).
rodrigospl2 1 month ago
Este navio tem pouco armamento porque era destinado a Guarda Costeira de Trinidade e Tobago, que é um pequeno país ao note da Venezuela e não tem Marinha,
Vcs esquecem que nós não temos Guarda Costeira no Brasil e esta atividade é acumulada pela Marinha do Brasil, portanto este navio tem utilidade, ele é um OPV(Patrulha) e não deve ser confundido com uma Fragata ou Corveta, que são navios de guerra, apesar do elevado peso, pois é um patrulha oceânico.
MrWstrobel 2 months ago
Desculpe companheiros mas vou desabafar aqui, já faço isto nas eleições Me atrevo a afirmar que a publicação no DIÁRIO OFICIAL DA UNIÃO é só uma mera formalidade e abaixo explicarei pq !!!
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
Os Navios eram para a "poderosa" nação de Trinidad e Tobago, mas pra nossa "felicidade" eles cancelaram a compra e Dilma num gesto de solidariedade a BAE Systems vai pagar a pequenina cifra de uns míseros R$ 387.203.820,00 ou seja mais de cem milhões de reais por navio!!!
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
Uns pau mandado¹³ vão alegar que os navios são zero bala e que nós precisamos por causa do pré-sal mas em contrapartida os¹³ vão omitir que os equipamentos não estão a altura da tarefa a que se destinam no Brasil ou vocês acham que a BAE Systems colocou equipamentos de fazer inveja a OTAN nestes navios destinado a Trinidad e Tobago?Até onde sei, nenhuma mudança foi feita pq o Brasil 6° economia comprou-os!
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
E tem gente que mesmo assim tem a cara de pau em afirmar que o governo Petista resgatou a industria naval Brasileira !!! ha ha ha
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
esses R$ 387.203.820,00 fazem falta e como fazem nos nossos estaleiros que a cada dia perdem encomendas de todos os tipos, descumprem prazos de entrega(vide Petroleiro João Cândido) devido a falta de planejamento do governo Petista cujo projeto de "nação com complexo de superpotência emergente com direito a assento permanente no CS da ONU é baseado em "soluços econômicos" e não a médio e longo prazo
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
Na última tentativa de tirar da reta os¹³ alegaram que foram os Almirantes da Marinha que escolheram, não Dilma !! Essa é outra argumentação¹³ interessante!!!A verdade é que antes do primeiro Almirante ficar sabendo, políticos ligados a equipe de Dilma já fizeram diversos contatos com a BAE Systems (por isto o vazamento de informações)e os Almirantes e pessoal militar só são comunicados que o navio é este e caso rejeitem, não haverá nenhum para MB como é o caso do FX-02 de Lula na FAB !!!
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
É claro que desde o início tudo foi meticulosamente controlado por Dilma e sua equipe de "revanchistas" pois mesmo sendo uma encomenda bélica, é uma encomenda de caráter político&governamental o qual os revanchistas fazem questão de humilhar nossos militares comprando equipamentos obsoletos para cumprir sua missão constitucional !!
jonathanporto9 2 months ago
Parabéns.Ótima aquisição da marinha!Belos navios de patrulha!
zimmermann10 2 months ago
Cannons and anti-aircraft missiles will be installed (Brazilian Navy)
22fogger 2 months ago
OPVs just been bought by Brazilian navy, under arms will be changed.
22fogger 2 months ago 2
Brazil has just bought it.
AugustofromBrazil 2 months ago
i willl interest work in this vessel i have 7yr ex in navy if possible pls contact me syedsando@gmail.com
Mr26sando 3 months ago
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Nice and tight. I like that.
mayatk1 3 months ago
floating ball wins
jokerjogz 3 months ago
i wonder, did they take the funnel off a Halifax class frigate?
mattmatt115 4 months ago
It is unfortunate the vessel did not have a helicopter hanger for the augusta aw139 sar helicopters .
rcoopersr71 6 months ago
They can't afford to fix roads in Trinidad but they afford these ships?
nikeboy82nd 6 months ago
@nikeboy82nd They turned 2 of them down, theyre sat in the Portsmouth Dockyard; where i work.
andyizere92 6 months ago
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i thought BAE systems was british?
Pringles352 7 months ago
2010, back when 480p availability was stated in the video title
jcnaples 9 months ago
well yes your rite there it as not entered service its i think 17/8/2011 it got commissioned 27/8/2010 but it as always been entering service at that date its not changed and there are no problems only problems from when it ran aground and it takes around 1 year after its been commissioned to enter service
and at the min im in the progress of transferring to FPGRM so then ill be on warships most of the time or protecting nuclear subs
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
Interesting to see the way the camera panned around the vessel so fast. So fast that it was difficult to see what armament was fitted so I was wondering if that was deliberate. I was wondering if it had a manually aimed 50 cal at the front but something bigger mounted on the sides?
whytedog 1 year ago
@whytedog it as MBDA (Aerospatiale) Exocet MM40 Block II missile launcher.
MBDA (BAE Systems) Seawolf surface-to-air missile.
1 x Oto Melara 76mm gun.
2 x MSI Defence DS 30B REMSIG 30mm guns
2 x triple BAE Systems 324mm torpedo tubes.
Thales Sensors Cutlass 242 countermeasures.
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc I cant see any Oto Melara 76mm gun, or Exocet missile launcher or Seawolf launchers ...!!!!!!!
There are only 3 X MSI 30mm guns. Are you sure about the details ??
As a Coast Gaurd vessel it does not require such armament.
abbadi78 1 year ago
@abbadi78 o no sorry i ment the khareef class which BAE are building this is the port of spain patrol vessel
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
I'm sorry to see the Pee Pee gov't canceling these badly needed vessels! the guyanese and Indo drug lords have won this round but will lose the war. we all know Indians in T&T not into fighting the SOURCE of violence in our nation the hope for them and their relgious leaders is for T&T's creole society to slowly die out by any means while they move closer to the "INDESH| dream.
CreoleCommando 1 year ago
@CreoleCommando UK has a hell of a time trying to export ships. Brunei canceled their order to BAE as well. The quality is poor for the expense. French sales dwarf the UK.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee
french dont realy sell any ships apart from wot thay made for there self but cant aford like the assault ship but the frigates are made my a couple of countrys not just the french
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc DCNS has sold 15 La Fayette FFG, 18 Scorpene SSK, 5 FREMM DDG and 4 Mistral LHP. France is not selling her own Mistrals but building new ones for Russia. All BAE sells are corvettes and OPVs, of which get returned by Brunei. UK has really fallen off the export map when it comes to warships.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee some la fayette were built in over countrys Scorpene SSK 4 countrys build them FREMM is also built in a couple of countrys
type 21 sold 6 , type 22 sold 8 type 23 sold 3 , type 42 sold 2 hunt class sold 4 british aircraft carrier now INS Viraat sold 1 how have britian fallen we was building the horizon class with france italy but because britian wonted a more powerful one thay dropped out
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Let me emphasize DCN has sold all those ships as NEW. The ones you list are hand-me-downs sold for pennies, mostly during the Cold War. Everything I listed is sold after the Cold War to this current day. We have just as many hand-me-downs sold as well, but their contract value isn't worth mentioning. UK is not even a player in warship export today. The Type 45 has less offensive fire power than a Horizon, T45 have no Harpoons, crap sonar and no ASW torpedoes.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
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wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee horizon class which is 2 times cheaper than type 45
Anti-ship;
8 × Exocet MM40
Anti-submarine;
2 × MU90 torpedo
ABF TUS 4110 CL sonar
Guns;
2 × Otobreda 76 mm super rapid guns
2 × 20 mm modèle F2 gun
nowere near as much as type 45 plus type 45 can also carry tomahawk cruise missiles
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc It has no Sea Skua, no Harpoon, no Phalanx and no torpedo launchers. The MFS 7000 is a cheap threat detection sonar the same going to old Brazilian ships. It carries one ASW Merlin which are only torpedoes. Launcher won't even fit Tomahawk.
Horizon carries 8 MM40 Blk 3 with land attack to 180km, Thales 2087 sonar, best in the world ordered by USN and RN, MU-90 carried are 1 dozen from two TUBES. Mix of 24 AM39 Exocet ASM or MU-90 for NH-90. 2X 76SR, best AA gun.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee horizon dont have the 2087 Sonar but i no type 23 as it
otobreda is not best gun hahahaha its far from it its 1 of the worst navel guns out there today
and yes it dose as sea skua it as 4 its dont have the harpoons yet but the phalanx got fitted to the hms daring about 2 weeks back but we can launch BGM-109 tomahawk
so realy all we dont have yet is the harpoons but it aready as provision for but not fitted with
and it fires 1 from each tube not a dozen lol
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc The 4110CL is the domestic name of the 2087 so it does have it. It is a French sonar of course. 76SR has the fastest rate of fire of any naval cannon in its class or higher. It is the best AA gun in the world and it has two. T45 doesn't carry Sea Skua as MerlinH1 only carries torps or mines. Phalanx hasn't been fitted as Daring was in dock unscheduled to repair damage from a tug. It will NEVER launch BMG-109 as the hold isn't deep enough.
So really, it doesn't have jack.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee ye thales is french now but it used be owned by britian
76sr is shit rate of fire means fuck all it as a small shell it range is shit its not even that accurate
type 45 dose carry sea skua and phalanx have been fitted and yes it will launch BMG-109 with its upgraded VLS but that as not been fitted yet and do you wont to no how i no these thing im in the navy im a RMC i have a mate which as sailor who as been on hms daring
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Thales has always been a French company, it is state owned.
76SR is the fastest firing naval gun in its class and is the latest development of a gun used by 53 navies. Nothing compares.
T45 doesn't carry Sea Skua or Phalanx... you will not find any photos backing up your claims. TLAM won't fit as it is 1.1m longer than the missile bay.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee no it was called racal electronics but the french changed it to thales 22 countrys use it not 53 and out of all them only 3 of the countrys have strong navies all the rest are cheap stuff and just because its fast at fireing dont mean its good wots better at killing someone from a mile and half a assault rifle of a sniper rifle
and its only a small shell 3inch the ones used on the british and american warships are 50% bigger
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee plus bae is makeing a new one bae advanced weapons system which is 6inch and can fire 154km around 6 times more than the shitty 76SR and it also has 750 rounds which is about 10 times more aswell than 76sr on the horizon
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Well well, you seem to be on most UK related naval videos I come across. Small world eh?
4110 CL is not the same as Type 2087, 4110 CL is a bow mounted mine avoidance and torpedo warning sonar not too dissimilar to MFS 7000; effectively a cheaper, lesser version of 4110 CL. Type 2087 is a high performance towed array sonar developed in the UK, what you're thinking of is CAPTAS 4 which is a derivative of Type 2087 for use on the French/Italian ASW FREMMS to accompany the 4110 CL.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee plus MU90 is old and outdated wots top speed about 30 knots alot of ships would able out run it look at the ones on the type 45 mach0.8 you have to be within 10km to fire the MU90 at top speed you can fire the sea skua from 25km at a speed of around 500knots or the harpoons 125km or the tommanhawk 2500km
wots horizons max 70-120km Exocet
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc MU-90 has a top speed of 50kts, 30kts is the passive cruise speed until it goes active. It is a lightweight torp designed to launch from helicopters hovering over its target or a ship with a tailing sub. It is far better than others on the market. T45 has no Sea Skua, harpoons or Tomahawk. Exocet blk 3 range is 180km for ship and land targets.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Sea Skua anti-ship missiles. On the embarked Lynx HMA 8 helicopter
and all the 4.5 inch navel gun is being upgraded to the 155 mm L31 39 calibre gun
and type 45 as the SAMPSON multi-function radar
horizon as the cheap shitty EMPAR multi-function radar
type 45 is used for protecting all the fleet
horizon is only used for protectiong the aircraft carrier
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc It doesn't carry Lynx, it carries Merlin H1. I suggest you update your stats.
The gun isn't being upgraded.
The radar goes to PAAMs which has the same interception capabilities in both.
Type 45 can only protect from the air.
Horizon can protect air, surface, and underwater. Far more versatile.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee it carrys 1 lynx hma8 or 1 westland merlin
the gun is being upgraded all of them are
and no samson can control up 2 10 missiles at any one time weres the horizon can only control 1 i think it is
type 45 can pretect from anywere but its main purpose is anit air the horizon can only protect 1 the aircraft carrier the type 45 can protect all the ships in the fleet
and most of the time thay will be out in battle groups so thay will have over warships with them
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc It HAS 1 Merlin H1. I suggest you look at a picture. You will also find it has no phalanx or Harpoons. EMPAR at only one missile eh? What planet are you on?? The Cassard can engage two so that wouldn't be much of an improvement. It can guide 24 missiles at one time. Source: The Naval Institute Guide
Clearly it can protect the fleet just as well as the T45, they both have the same PAAMs.It can do it far better in ASW and ASM. Horizon is simply more versatile.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee yes it as it got fitted about 2 week ago 1 of my mates is on daring and its in portsmouth now getting some work done im looking at joining fleet protection and getting posted on daring
no horizon can only control 1 missiles at onces it can fire 48 at once but only control 1
ddg-51 can only fire 1 every 3 secs
why do you thing britian left the horizon project look it up
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Send me a picture of its phalanx mount. Would love to see it so I can add it to my fleet command database. It is too easy to kill the T45 once you deplete the Asters.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
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@stalkingalizee iv not got a pic
and hahaha its too easy to kill the type 45 how do you work that one out it can shoot down any incoming missile these not a missile out there today which can get past the missile system
plus most of the time thay will be with over warships like the type 22 and type 23
Would love to see it so I can add it to my fleet command database ..............wot you chatting now
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Kind of hard for it to be with the T22 when they are all being scrapped. Since SOP is to fire two missiles per target, missiles are depleted after 24 tracks. Any heavy or sustained attack will deplete its missile supplies.
Fleet Command is a combat sim used by the US Naval Academy. I have a fully updated copy to model combat missions. Once the T45 runs out of Asters, it is a sitting duck to air attack. Adding phalanx will make it last longer.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee you do no all the type 45 are provision for but not fitted with 2 x quad boeing AGM-84 harpoon launchers total of 8 harpoon missiles
2 x Phalanx CIWS (to be fitted by 2011-2013 HMS Daring fitted
BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles (if VLS is upgraded
and the type 22 are only going out of service when the new type 26 comes in or the new frigate which will be like the fremm
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Provision but not fitted doesn't mean anything.
Show me the phalanx.
TLAMs will not fit.
Type 22s are being decommissioned by April. Type 26 doesn't come until post 2021.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee and when the t45 runs out of asters thay can always put more in when your in a war you have battle groups so supplies are always nearby
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Sylver launch cells can only be loaded at port. It requires a crane and zero movement.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee well there not that heavy me and someone could lift a aster 15 plus thay have cranes on alot of the RFA
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc I said it requires ZERO movement. It can't be loaded from a rolling ship at sea. Once they are depleted, that is it. That is why it is nice to have air cover so planes can continuously rearm. Too bad you have none.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee we do have planes if you are onabout are sea harriers then no we dont but guess wot we have the french charles de gaulle under are command if we need it
plus if we did go to war and were in a battle group we would have are new sub the astute class worlds most advanced sub with the worlds most advanced warship the type 45
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc You have nothing under your command. You won't even have an operational air wing until post 2020. The agreement is only for training during refits and NATO coalitions. RN is on its own in any unilateral operation.
The jinxed Astute? That thing won't finish sea trials at the rate of its problems. Electrical fire, grounding, rammed by a tug, anchor don't work, sewage don't work, navigation don't work, weapons support don't work. Only French made sonar UAP4 and periscope work.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee no astute run aground near isle of skye we when it was trying be freed a tug hit it causeing minor damages that it everyting works on it but a couple of subs have run aground there because the tide gose out very fast
and it as entered service
if there was all them problems then it cant of entered service because of health and safty rules
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc It hasn't entered service, it is STILL on Sea Trials because of all its problems.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Astute is no longer on sea trials, she was handed over to the MoD last August. She's currently on weapons evaluation, which will include test fitting of the Tomahawk and Spearfish in the US, and trials to test her fighting capability until officially entered into service later this year.
Also you do realise that UAP(4) is an ESM system, not a sonar, right? Nor is it 'French made'.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier She was commissioned last August. She is not ready for combat which is why she is still on Sea Trials.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Apart from use of the term 'sea trials', all you did was repeat my comment back to me. IIRC Sea trials refers to trials to test a vessels seaworthiness and diving ability, in the case of submarines, that are performed by the builder prior to handing over to the customer. Astute, having been handed over, is now on trials to test her combat capability and once completed she'll be declared fully operational.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier Quote from Defence Management over the latest mishap dated 7.2.11.
"HMS Astute has suffered another setback during SEA TRIALS, with onboard system failures forcing the nuclear-powered submarine to return to port at Faslane. Weapons support and sewage systems failed, with reports suggesting the latest issue left the 90-strong crew unable to use the submarine's onboard toilets... forced to stay in Faslane for up to six weeks while the problems are rectified and systems repaired."
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Well it seems the term 'sea trials' isn't as specific as I thought it was. I've always known sea trials to refer to the trials that test a vessel's speed, turning circle, stability etc. Astute is beyond those, having been handed over and commissioned into the Navy and now being subjected to trials that test the boat's war fighting capability and then operational workup. Apparantly those are all classed under sea trials too, though they differ considerably.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier An active ship is one that is ready to go on active duty, hence the term active. Sea Trials is the state before a ship goes on active duty, hence the term trials. There are Sea Trials and even Weapons Trials... all occur before a platform is active.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
we do have planes if you are onabout are sea harriers then no we dont but guess wot we have the french charles de gaulle under are command if we need it
plus if we did go to war and were in a battle group we would have are new sub the astute class worlds most advanced sub with the worlds most advanced warship the type 45
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee plus we will have 2 new super carriers with f-35c stealth fighters and the carriers will be around 75.000 tonnes full load and the french will also be building one of them after we let them
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Actually, you will only have one carrier fitted with catapults and it is only going to compliment 12 F-35s. It isn't even worth putting to sea. Too bad those 40 F-35s have to be shared with RAF. France gets 60 Rafale all for the Navy while the Air Force gets 234. We will probably buy the hull of Prince Charles and make it PA2. RN can buy some FREMM in exchange.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee wrong britian is now getting 137 f-35 i think some are f-35c which are for the carrier with the catapults that is also so that US and over allies can use it but the over carrier will be for f-35 b which is STOVL plus we will have 232 eurofighters and were onabout makeing more an upgrade version for the carriers with catapults when is france getting a 5th gen fighter and i think were useing the fremm hull for 1 of the future surface combatant
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Stalking has been wrong in certain areas, but maybe it would be best to stop giving him ammo?
The original 138 F-35Cs would be great to see, but the initial order will be considerably less than that. The number won't be dediced upon until the 2015 SDSR, but it's expected to be between about 40 and 70 aircraft. As for 232 Eurofighters, also incredibly unlikely. At present, we're heading for a fleet of 107 of them.
T26 won't use a FREMM hull, it's likely to be based on the Type 45's.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier iv heard the type 26c2 is gona have the same hull as the fremm and britian as orderd 160 eurofighters so far i think
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Type 26 is C1, C2 is a different class of ship and nothing has been decided on it yet.
160 Typhoons ordered, but it's quite likely that the 53 Tranche 1s will be scrapped much sooner than expected. If so, that will leave just 107.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier o ye the c2 is not named yet but thay sey it will be around 6000-7000 tonnes and c1 around 3000 tonnes
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Other way around. C1, Type 26, will displace around 6,000 tonnes. C2 is expected to displace closer to 4,000 tonnes, with C3 perhaps coming in at around 3,000 ideally. C2 and C3 should be based on a common hull and around the above displacements, otherwise they've missed a chance to build a ship relevant to operational needs.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Stalking has been wrong in certain areas, but maybe it would be best to stop giving him ammo?
The original 138 F-35Cs would be great to see, but the initial order will be considerably less than that. The number won't be dediced upon until the 2015 SDSR, but it's expected to be between about 40 and 70 aircraft. As for 232 Eurofighters, also incredibly unlikely. At present, we're heading for a fleet of 107 of them.
T26 won't use a FREMM hull, it's likely to be based on the Type 45's.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee and do you no about the defence treaties between France and the UK
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee and when you was onabout navel guns wot about the Mk 110 57 mm gun that is alot better than the one on the horizon it as better everything even fire rate
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Mk 110 isn't fitted on Type 45. It has a Mk 8 113mm. The 57mm round only has half the range and dispersion of the 76mm. Firing rate isn't any better so no, it is not better for AAW and certainly not bombardment.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee i no mk 110 is not fitted to the type 45 but you was onabout fire rate and mk110 is 240 rounds a min otobreda 76 mm is 120 rounds a min in super rapid
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Mk 110 fire rate is 220 per minute. 76mm Super Rapid is 139 which throws far more projectile power than the 110s 220 rds.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee no thay have not italy made 2 of the 4 fremm
DCNS
Navantia
Mazagon Dock Limited
Brazilian Navy Shipyard
are makeing the Scorpene SSK
and La Fayette countrys helped DCNS building them
and there are country which are byeing ships of britian like oman and many more like austraila ,and the new new chile frigates, romanian frigates and brunei plus bae do alot of work on US warships plus BAE is a british company and its the biggest defence company in the world
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc
Navantia withdrew a couple years ago
India and Brazil are paying billions for licensed hull building, completely fitted by France and life support, several more billions.
DCN built all the La Fayettes except the last five of Singapore which paid billions under license, complete fitting and life support by France for billions.
Only thing BAE exports new are corvettesopvs. Second hand junk isn't worth mentioning.
Lockheed Martin is the biggest defence company in the world.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
BAE do military vessels from Aircraft Carriers, Amphibious/Auxiliary Vessels, Destroyers, Frigates, Corvettes, Offshore Patrol Vessels, Fast Attack Craft, right through to Mine Counter Measure Vessels, Patrol Boats, Fast Interceptor Craft and Rigid Inflatable Boats
thay are also building the new 2 landing helicopter dock for australian navy and there around 30.000 tonnes
and no BAE is now the worlds biggest defence company
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee SIPRI Rankings Say BAE World's Biggest Weapons Firm - Defense News ... that BAE became the largest arms-producing company in the world in ...
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc Actually, SIPRI says Lockheed is the biggest. BAE lost that title in 2009.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee no thay got the title 2008-2009-2010 and just missed out of 2007 in 2010 thay was 2 .4 billion richer than lockheed
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc SIPRI has only come out with the 2009 rankings as they are two years delayed. It belonged to Lockheed. Defense News has their own and Lockheed is on top for 2010.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
Not bad, not bad @all.
Trinbagonian21 1 year ago