This cover sucks. The original theme song is a million times better. As for all the political comments here, I've only got one thing to say: Sieg Heil, motherfuckers!
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im just anti-fascist & dont think you should be wearing swatikas unless you truly believe in its idealism...SMASH FASCIST NAZI TRASH,the first people the nazis would have killed if they took power were all of those punks...doesnt anybody realize this or you just a bunch odf apathist?????
@804safety You just don't get it. The Nazis were a then-potent touchstone of rebellion and outrage for early punks, (e.g. the half-Jewish Ramones had a song called 'Im A Nazi', etc.), and that is punk history. WW2 was being exhaustively celebrated in film, book and on TV in the 1970s, and this was a legitimate artistic subversion, valid over 1976-77, then discarded when 'real' politics came in. BTW, for someone who's 'anti-fascist', you seem rather draconian about free expression...
@Slammerworm1 - I heard that it was the Sex Pistols' manager Malcolm McLaren who came up with the Sex Pistols' song "Belsen Was A Gas". McLaren was of jewish extraction.
@Slammerworm1 we in d had the antifascist rev and in alley-s countries the have chosen to be swasts. thats the easy explanation of a high discussed item. better shu up.
@804safety The swastika is a symbol which has been used in many cultures. I dare to say its not a nazi symbol at all. Its just claimed by them for a small period in time. There is nothing wrong having it on a t-shirt to shock people who think its wrong. Punk was partly intended to shock simple minded people. To create chaos and disorder and it seems it worked up till today. Just wiki-it if you like some background info on swastika's.
@804safety shut up you lefty piece of shit and get life people like you make me puke you don,t know what your talking about people like you call anyone who does,nt agree with you a facist i saw the antifacists standing with muslims chanting allah akbah while the muslims shouted white scum fuck your mum couse the antifacists did,nt tell the muslims to stop the racism you stand behind the police calling the edl racists but don,t condemn homophobia from muslims your a wanker mate hypercrite.
Please, dont forget that the 3rd Reich stolen that sign also (like alot of other stuff).
Plus they apllied it the wrong way ... to their own bad, I might add.
So please, a Swastika isn't equal the "Hakenkreuz" (German for: Swastika of the Nazis)
I can understand your concern, nobody wants those times back, at least noone of importance, but crying bloody murder everytime you feel aggressed, isn't helpfull either.
@804safety 'first people the nazis would have killed if they took power were all of those punks...doesnt anybody realize this or you just a bunch odf apathist??'
A bit of a conundrum, isn't it? My theory is boring. You wouldn't like it, and you wouldn't accept it.
Personally, I think this was done for the money. Pretending Naziism is the easiest way to get in the news.
In thinking about the Nazis, read Mein Kampf and look at what the Nazis did, and this music is not fitting in.
Back in 77 the war was still very much in the minds of a lot of the parents and wearing a swastika was an ideal way to annoy and shame them...sad but true
Yeh, Siouxie and the swastika. A lot of punks wore them for shock value, anything that provoked disgust, shock or outrage was good and a despised image like that seemed to fit the bill, it was an obscene cuss word in one symbol. The hells angels had been using it for that purpose for nearly two decades by then. After mid 77 you'd rarely see em again since punk was getting political. And trendy.
@London2272 Yeah, I was a 14 year old in Hammersmith in 1977 and jumped on the bandwagon- it pissed the parents off and made the girls think I was dead hard- I didn't give a fuck about politics and the like- I was just one of thousands of posers who wanted to be different but became more the same.
It was really about the rage working class youth had with the bullshit lives of pre-destined failure they were expected to endure- at least that's how I remember it at the time anyway
Swastikas => nothing alienates middle-class people more than to embrace what they dislike/hate/fear. It's just another way of saying FUCK YOU without any political meaning attached except to say: we are on the outside of your fucking system.
"the Nazi gear was a naive but legitimate reaction to mid-1970s fascist leaders, societal attitudes and the rock culture's rigid 'hippie' aesthetic" .......... Very well put slammerworm, i could not have put it better myself!.
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i think it stipid how the early punks wore swastikas on thier clothes and talked about freedom & anarchy...IDIOTS...smash fascist nazi trash..cheers from canada
@804safety To be fair, you've mixed up the 'non-PC' early punks with the later 'political' ones (like Crass). Siouxsie, Buzzcocks, Ramones, etc. mentioned neither anarchy nor freedom and the Sex Pistols' 'anarchy' was destruction plain and simple, not growing veggies on a commune. Too little space to fully explain here, but the Nazi gear was a naive but legitimate reaction to mid-1970s fascist leaders, societal attitudes and the rock culture's rigid 'hippie' aesthetic. Cheers from New Zealand!
@Slammerworm1 ABsolutely right- The pre-political punk was the real punk- and it was indescribably more exciting than the preachy self righteous stuff that stole the name punk 3 or 4 years after the fact- It got too serious by then and punks all dressed in the same uniform-- It's that uniform which still sticks when you see Spanish and French Camden Town replica punks today-
@keltyk 'First wave' punk rock was more interesting musically,too. Those early punks were influenced by everybody from the Velvets to Bowie to the Banana Splits and back again (hence the wide divergence of styles between the Ramones, Damned, Voidoids etcetera), whereas the musical gene-pool was a pretty shallow puddle by the time the likes of Conflict or GBH showed up. For the record, punk still exists as an attitude, but the form has lost currency. Christian punk? You gotta be kidding..
Actually, to be fair. 804safety is an idiot. The clture was built on the rebellion against a norm and against a system that lost the point years ago. Cheers from where ever. It doesn't matter.
@Redneck603 your the idiot ,nazism is an oppressive government & punk was supposed to be against society,government that oppress the poor,minorities ect,to be punk & nazi is a total contradictory & i laugh at all you stupid nazi punks....NAZI PUNKS FUCK-OFF....(AND YOU STUPID RACIST ,SISTER MOLESTING REDNECKS)
@804safety you fucking boring cunt get a life fuck some women get drunk stop worrying about fucking minorieties who are pissing everyone off with their whinning i remember life before all this politically correct shit it was a lot better for people the thought crime antiwhiteman brigade came out fuck leftwingers i allways kick one is see the red commie bastards.
@804safety the nazi uniforms were beautfull and powerfull with the black boots and an alsation dog with leftwingers grovelling on the floor begging don,t kill me i am sorry i was a red traitor.
@804safety The swastika was part of the provocative behaviour punks did. So yes they are anarchy. They just want to get the attention by doing those funny things. They are against society. And probably most america / Brittain were against Nazis back then. So it was just provocating. Awesome way to do it in my opinion.
@804safety You didn't get the idea of wearing swastikas on leather jackets back in the late 70s - it wasn't meant as a political statement, it was nothing but an effective way to provoke and reflect coeval perceptions.
@804safety just because somebody does,nt believe in your communistic leftwing bullshit does,nt make some a nazi theres more to life than antifacism,in england when the edl march 500 antifacists protest in a country of 70,000,000 so antifacism is of no interest when people are worried about there jobs so arseholes like you pretending its 1933 is stupid get a life.nazi are of no interest to but lefties make me puke rightwing i can ignore but the left are not loving their country enough.
i'm german and i think it's nonetheless a shame. not rebelllious, immature
momarrr 2 days ago
This cover sucks. The original theme song is a million times better. As for all the political comments here, I've only got one thing to say: Sieg Heil, motherfuckers!
deadbirdsings 3 weeks ago
ANARCHY!Punk not dead!Litle sisters .
boletadic 3 weeks ago
I think the sawastikas are just for provocation, thats why some punks i knew wear it on their clothes
KingVanthryn 1 month ago
fuck skinheads
sleepsurfsex 2 months ago
i hate polithic , i love get drunk, and i have my crew as my only care
punkvirus77 2 months ago
very good
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im just anti-fascist & dont think you should be wearing swatikas unless you truly believe in its idealism...SMASH FASCIST NAZI TRASH,the first people the nazis would have killed if they took power were all of those punks...doesnt anybody realize this or you just a bunch odf apathist?????
804safety 2 months ago
@804safety You just don't get it. The Nazis were a then-potent touchstone of rebellion and outrage for early punks, (e.g. the half-Jewish Ramones had a song called 'Im A Nazi', etc.), and that is punk history. WW2 was being exhaustively celebrated in film, book and on TV in the 1970s, and this was a legitimate artistic subversion, valid over 1976-77, then discarded when 'real' politics came in. BTW, for someone who's 'anti-fascist', you seem rather draconian about free expression...
Slammerworm1 2 months ago 31
@Slammerworm1 - I heard that it was the Sex Pistols' manager Malcolm McLaren who came up with the Sex Pistols' song "Belsen Was A Gas". McLaren was of jewish extraction.
deadbirdsings 3 weeks ago
@Slammerworm1 zi
igordenic74 4 days ago
@Slammerworm1 we in d had the antifascist rev and in alley-s countries the have chosen to be swasts. thats the easy explanation of a high discussed item. better shu up.
axs007ful 11 hours ago
@axs007ful Please excuse me, but I don't understand your comment. Could you perhaps rephrase?
Slammerworm1 5 hours ago
@804safety The swastika is a symbol which has been used in many cultures. I dare to say its not a nazi symbol at all. Its just claimed by them for a small period in time. There is nothing wrong having it on a t-shirt to shock people who think its wrong. Punk was partly intended to shock simple minded people. To create chaos and disorder and it seems it worked up till today. Just wiki-it if you like some background info on swastika's.
defmax70 2 months ago 2
@804safety i really dislike guys like u!
Hollandia777 1 month ago
@804safety shut up you lefty piece of shit and get life people like you make me puke you don,t know what your talking about people like you call anyone who does,nt agree with you a facist i saw the antifacists standing with muslims chanting allah akbah while the muslims shouted white scum fuck your mum couse the antifacists did,nt tell the muslims to stop the racism you stand behind the police calling the edl racists but don,t condemn homophobia from muslims your a wanker mate hypercrite.
september7891 1 month ago
@804safety
Please, dont forget that the 3rd Reich stolen that sign also (like alot of other stuff).
Plus they apllied it the wrong way ... to their own bad, I might add.
So please, a Swastika isn't equal the "Hakenkreuz" (German for: Swastika of the Nazis)
I can understand your concern, nobody wants those times back, at least noone of importance, but crying bloody murder everytime you feel aggressed, isn't helpfull either.
CyberpunkJohnny 1 month ago
@CyberpunkJohnny - "Stole" it from who? Was the swastika someone's registered trademark?
deadbirdsings 3 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings The reverse image of a swastika have been a symbol of good luck to many many cultures for many centuries.
MrMonsterstiffy 2 weeks ago 3
@MrMonsterstiffy do they really fix their mind and eyes on the swastika.
axs007ful 11 hours ago
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@804safety 'first people the nazis would have killed if they took power were all of those punks...doesnt anybody realize this or you just a bunch odf apathist??'
A bit of a conundrum, isn't it? My theory is boring. You wouldn't like it, and you wouldn't accept it.
Personally, I think this was done for the money. Pretending Naziism is the easiest way to get in the news.
In thinking about the Nazis, read Mein Kampf and look at what the Nazis did, and this music is not fitting in.
SheikhTaqiyyameister 1 month ago
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@804safety One last word: England is terrified of Hitler 67 years after his death.
Yet, England is not afraid of being conquered by Islam. And Hitler is dead.
SheikhTaqiyyameister 1 month ago
@804safety fuck off arse its just a shock tactic get a grip, its just to annoy the man
tlumb64 3 weeks ago
@804safety fuck off communist shit
magiktrinity 3 weeks ago
Back in 77 the war was still very much in the minds of a lot of the parents and wearing a swastika was an ideal way to annoy and shame them...sad but true
Gnasher77 2 months ago
Yeh, Siouxie and the swastika. A lot of punks wore them for shock value, anything that provoked disgust, shock or outrage was good and a despised image like that seemed to fit the bill, it was an obscene cuss word in one symbol. The hells angels had been using it for that purpose for nearly two decades by then. After mid 77 you'd rarely see em again since punk was getting political. And trendy.
London2272 3 months ago 2
@London2272 Yeah, I was a 14 year old in Hammersmith in 1977 and jumped on the bandwagon- it pissed the parents off and made the girls think I was dead hard- I didn't give a fuck about politics and the like- I was just one of thousands of posers who wanted to be different but became more the same.
It was really about the rage working class youth had with the bullshit lives of pre-destined failure they were expected to endure- at least that's how I remember it at the time anyway
notmemate 2 months ago
Swastikas => nothing alienates middle-class people more than to embrace what they dislike/hate/fear. It's just another way of saying FUCK YOU without any political meaning attached except to say: we are on the outside of your fucking system.
MrSeventhElement 3 months ago 2
"the Nazi gear was a naive but legitimate reaction to mid-1970s fascist leaders, societal attitudes and the rock culture's rigid 'hippie' aesthetic" .......... Very well put slammerworm, i could not have put it better myself!.
tigerbalm77 4 months ago
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i think it stipid how the early punks wore swastikas on thier clothes and talked about freedom & anarchy...IDIOTS...smash fascist nazi trash..cheers from canada
804safety 5 months ago
@804safety To be fair, you've mixed up the 'non-PC' early punks with the later 'political' ones (like Crass). Siouxsie, Buzzcocks, Ramones, etc. mentioned neither anarchy nor freedom and the Sex Pistols' 'anarchy' was destruction plain and simple, not growing veggies on a commune. Too little space to fully explain here, but the Nazi gear was a naive but legitimate reaction to mid-1970s fascist leaders, societal attitudes and the rock culture's rigid 'hippie' aesthetic. Cheers from New Zealand!
Slammerworm1 5 months ago 25
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@Slammerworm1 There is no such thing as "politically correct"
MrMonsterstiffy 5 months ago
@Slammerworm1 ABsolutely right- The pre-political punk was the real punk- and it was indescribably more exciting than the preachy self righteous stuff that stole the name punk 3 or 4 years after the fact- It got too serious by then and punks all dressed in the same uniform-- It's that uniform which still sticks when you see Spanish and French Camden Town replica punks today-
keltyk 4 months ago 11
@keltyk 'First wave' punk rock was more interesting musically,too. Those early punks were influenced by everybody from the Velvets to Bowie to the Banana Splits and back again (hence the wide divergence of styles between the Ramones, Damned, Voidoids etcetera), whereas the musical gene-pool was a pretty shallow puddle by the time the likes of Conflict or GBH showed up. For the record, punk still exists as an attitude, but the form has lost currency. Christian punk? You gotta be kidding..
Slammerworm1 4 months ago 8
Actually, to be fair. 804safety is an idiot. The clture was built on the rebellion against a norm and against a system that lost the point years ago. Cheers from where ever. It doesn't matter.
Redneck603 4 months ago
@Redneck603 your the idiot ,nazism is an oppressive government & punk was supposed to be against society,government that oppress the poor,minorities ect,to be punk & nazi is a total contradictory & i laugh at all you stupid nazi punks....NAZI PUNKS FUCK-OFF....(AND YOU STUPID RACIST ,SISTER MOLESTING REDNECKS)
804safety 2 months ago
@804safety you fucking boring cunt get a life fuck some women get drunk stop worrying about fucking minorieties who are pissing everyone off with their whinning i remember life before all this politically correct shit it was a lot better for people the thought crime antiwhiteman brigade came out fuck leftwingers i allways kick one is see the red commie bastards.
september7891 1 month ago
@804safety the nazi uniforms were beautfull and powerfull with the black boots and an alsation dog with leftwingers grovelling on the floor begging don,t kill me i am sorry i was a red traitor.
september7891 1 month ago
@804safety
yeah
thats true
because either they said
ohh the real punks don't mind politics
but wear a swastica it's a really ignorant and stupid thing
maybe they know the mean of that shit
but what was the fact to wear that things
perhaps to be a punk
it's necessary to be an idiot
furrimacho 4 months ago
@804safety the early punks wore swastikas to shock and piss people off , not because they had any nazi ideals . cheers also from canada
6pin66 4 months ago 4
@804safety No sheit.. Cheers from Sweden punks.
jinxxedlikeshit 3 months ago
@804safety The swastika was part of the provocative behaviour punks did. So yes they are anarchy. They just want to get the attention by doing those funny things. They are against society. And probably most america / Brittain were against Nazis back then. So it was just provocating. Awesome way to do it in my opinion.
dropkickM 2 months ago
@804safety You didn't get the idea of wearing swastikas on leather jackets back in the late 70s - it wasn't meant as a political statement, it was nothing but an effective way to provoke and reflect coeval perceptions.
VomBlitzGetroffen 2 months ago
@804safety just because somebody does,nt believe in your communistic leftwing bullshit does,nt make some a nazi theres more to life than antifacism,in england when the edl march 500 antifacists protest in a country of 70,000,000 so antifacism is of no interest when people are worried about there jobs so arseholes like you pretending its 1933 is stupid get a life.nazi are of no interest to but lefties make me puke rightwing i can ignore but the left are not loving their country enough.
september7891 1 month ago
@804safety Yes, smash those with different views!
YourProfessor 3 weeks ago 2
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nojszeger 5 days ago
@804safety The antifascist bleat boring, and commonplace. The PC the prison of the thought and the art.
nojszeger 5 days ago
Thanks for "fixing it up" Slammerworm! You did a great job!
179rich 1 year ago 2
Well done!
SachaKaBoom 1 year ago
Love the drums!
WoodRatGirl 1 year ago
some really great pics - i still love siouxsie to this day!
66gadus 2 years ago
Love the Track Rehearsals! Someone who have the second(KOK7) in red vinyl and want to sell? Or KK03 in black?
adaand605 2 years ago
bad quality
TheChris2666 2 years ago
You should have heard it BEFORE I fixed it up...
Slammerworm1 2 years ago 19
@TheChris2666 no it isn't.
IIIIdepechemodeIIII 1 year ago
nice to see and you have great pictures to
lfccogs 2 years ago