@2hottie69Forever Its a shame Jesus' name doesn't mean The God like what Allah means. That is good. Thank you for proving Jesus was a true prophet because if he was not the truth we would all have been lied to. Also you refuted nothing. All you said to me was that Jesus had the same name as one of Allah's 99 names. So what? Does this mean Jesus is eternal? Does this mean he is immaterial? Does this mean there is nothing like him and no images of him?
1:30:30 Nadir, seriously? Billions upon billions upon billion?? There are just over 7 billion alive today, and your going to tell us that billions UPON billions UPON billions were saved? there having been that many people. Some researchers state that there's never been 7 billion people until the people who were born (and living today) were born, someone alive today was the 7billionth person, others say that there were more but still maybe 10 billion? NOT a billion upon a billion especially.
@auditorization when you take into consideration that mohammed didn't come until 600 AD. and that means that the world was already 4,500 years old! and only 1500 years later billions upon billions upon billions were saved by mohammed words? This is ridiculous We've not had that many in that short time.
57:02 Now your attacking the OT? you JUST said you believed the OT?? your quran DEMANDS you believe the OT, HOW CAN YOU ATTACK THE OT if your a good muslim??
58:13 the error of equivocation?? No only in your mind Nadir. David doesn't believe that Aisha was anymore than a woman And True Christians understand that Mary was found favor with God, but she still is NOT God and NOT to be worshipped. Catholics are wrong in this.
56:39 Nadir, David's rebuttal has alot of truth in the UNscientificness of the quran. Also, about aisha, she married mohammed at AGE 6, and it says he consumated the marriage at 9! So YES he had sex with a 9 year old. Don't use Taqiyya! Speak the truth! don't lie to cover up for islam (Taqiyya - lying to protect islam which the quran instructs muslims to do!)
40:30 to answer your question, The devil clothes himself in light. It is not surprising then that he would provide some positive earthly things while getting people into betraying God, and then following the quran. If you made a deal with the devil, why would he care what he told/gave you if it was good or not, if he knew he was keeping your soul from God. - That's all he cares about, b/c by not following God, you are following Satan.
39:19 it is soo hard to listen to this, Nadir, yes drinking in moderation, Jesus's FIRST MIRACLE was turning water into wine! NO DONT DRINK WHILE PREGNANT! Modern medical science also has proven that drinking in moderation say a small amount of wine a day- is a heathly anti-cancer regimen. IT promotes healthy liver function. In the Bible anything (except loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself) done in excess is a sin. It was know to pagans as vices, same thing.
38:- 38:30 Nadir Nadir, more FALSE scientific evidence from the quran, the SUN DOES NOT ORBIT, it is the earth that orbits the sun. This was a common belief right alongside the belief that the world is flat. we know now that these things are NOT true. please read genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" modern science tells us all that exists is space, time and matter. In the beginning(time) God created the Heavens(Space) and the earth (matter). My God created ALL
I have to interject again. 37:10 Nadir, you don't build walls to fight against, but to DEFEND against. Walls are NOT offensive, they are DEFENSIVE. It is to protect themselves from the muslim aggressors. I do find it amusing that you support the OT, good for you your starting to follow your quran, BUT, the OT testifys AGAINST your mohammed, it condemns the quran. "You will change NOT ONE JOT or TIDDLE from the Torah" The quran gives instructions for changing things. Please read the OT carefully
thx for letting me know that islam is a weird lie and makes no sense, thank u, i was going to convert but not anymore because nobody knows why allah is not powerful enough to have a son.
@2hottie69Forever Well if Jesus is the son of God then that also makes him a bastard. I hate to say it but using your fucked up logic Jesus is a bastard which is totally disrespectful. May God forgive you for this total blasphemy. If you don't want Jesus to be called a bastard then don't call him the son of God.
the term "bastard" is your definition and you are using it in a context to fit your argument!
period.
if anything Muhammad was a bastard in the eyes of islam since his parents were not muslim (which means muhammad wasnt muslim) and the parents actually didnt recite the islamic prayer to keep the devil out during conception.
its funny how muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the quran oh and he had 13 wives, hmm it seems he gave himself more sexual privileges,after all he was "allah"
@2hottie69Forever The definition of "bastard" doesn't change depending on the context. You either are or you aren't. If you are willing to call Jesus the son of God then he also has to have the title "bastard" because God was not married to the virgin mary when he impregnated her. Also you cannot give a single bit of proof that the prophet Muhammed was a bastard. All you did was say his parents weren't Muslim which has nothing to do with whether he was a bastard or not CONT>
@2hottie69Forever I am not claiming Adam to be a son of God. You are claiming Jesus to be the son of God. You have created a logical fallacy as well as the trinity which is complete nonsense. If Adam had a mother and was called the son of God then yes, he would therefore be a bastard but this obviously isn't the case. They are both messengers of God and not literally "son" of God. Spiritual son then yes all of them are not just Jesus. CONT>
@2hottie69Forever Not really because you are using a false analogy. God is more complicated than water in any religion. Also Allah is the arabic word for God so don't even bother insulting your own God. Also the elements which form water are completely different to that of a gas etc. This makes no sense. You are basically saying that Jesus was nothing like God in any way but we have to believe he is God for no good reason. If you see Jesus praying to God you aren't going to say he is God.
@2hottie69Forever hahaha angry i didnt insult you i just said you worship dead god lol muhmed marrid aisha abubaker her father asked prophet muhmed and mary in your bible marrid josph when she was 14 you are realy ignorent , i will not worship dead god or god discribe as lamb and god become bird lol sorry
@2hottie69Forever If you are going to say Jesus is the son of God literally then you therefore have to accept he is a "bastard".If you call him the son of God spiritually then fair enough he is not a bastard but then all the messengers have to be called sons of God otherwise you would be calling Jesus the son of God because of the virgin birth which means you are talking it literally which makes him a bastard. Do you not see why the atheists are mocking our messenger?
@2hottie69Forever Also you said he is only mentioned 4 times in the Qur'an or something. Who cares? This actually supports him being a true prophet because if he was a false prophet he would have his name all throughout the Qur'an and boast about how good he was as well as his emotions etc. but we see none of this. Also if he married loads of wives for sexual pleasure then how come he married a lot of widows? Which person looking for sexual pleasure would marry widows? CONT>
@2hottie69Forever Also his wives were from different tribes which brought peace amongst them. This prevented a lot of bad things which could have happened. And lastly you said that Muhammed was Allah which is a logical contradiction but I don't blame you because you are a Christian so these things are common for you. God cannot die and God cannot be born. God is transcendent and there are no images of him. Wake up.
@2hottie69Forever "allah was muhammed in the sense"... No you can't be Allah "in the sense". You either are or aren't. I feel bad for you because you Christians learnt what logic was at an older age because your trinity is a bit hard to understand at a young age.
@2hottie69Forever God can do anything He Wills, but can God make a mistake? Can God be evil? Can God act stupid? NO, becuase as soon as God does any of these acts He ceases to be God because "God" by definition is Perfect meaning He doesn't make mistakes, doesn't act stupid and doesn't do evil. Just like God is One and can't have a son. I know how hard you want Jesus to be God but he just isn't, and I hardly believe some loser on youtube can destroy Islam, fastest growing religion motherfucker.
@2hottie69Forever lol look how cut you're getting. Fastest growing religion motherfucker. stop spending all your time on youtube trying to stop something thats impossible to stop. Islam will prevail over falsehood for falsehood by nature is bound to perish.
yes, if worshipping a pedophile was a religion and if you got killed for not wearing a scarf, or threatened to be stoned if u go on a date with someone than naturally that religion would grow very fast.
oh wait, thats islam.
hey dont forget what allahs 99 names is Al-haq, that means THE TRUTH.
1500 years before that comic book the quran was written buy a demonic guy mohammad, Jesus said "I AM THE TRUTH"
Nadir your usually wrong on many accounts let me point one out. 26:36 Semeramus was Nimrod's wife. This was a BABYLONIAN king, not greek, and once God smote the tower of babil and confused the languages, this is why there are soo many gods' birthdays are on dec 25th.(Jesus' real birthday is closer to october 12th. or Tishi 15th on the hebrew calendar.) Most dont know this, also Constantine was the one that declared everyone must worship on sunday and on dec 25 to honor the sungod nimrod.
@auditorization So Christians began making it Christ's birthday so they wouldn't be executed, and they have forgotten this historical truth. Islam is NOT a path to God, and the quran itself condemns islam as a false religion and mohammed as a false prophet.
@auditorization FYI Nimrod was Seth's grandson, Seth Was NOAH's Son, you remember, the ark?? If anyone understood about God, it would be Noah, and so it's not hard to believe his family knew Noah and God's will to an extent as well. Nimrod, wanted to put himself as God, just like Satan wanted to be God.
i don't know why Muslim waste the time debating this ignorant morans. they have no understanding of their own scriptures let alone other people's books. their porno culture completely erased any rational judgement.
Lol, 'sex with a 9 yr old' disturbs Mr Wood...and Jesus ordering Moses to kill babies indiscriminately doesn't bother him? Sounds like the guy has psyche issues. Moses was also told to keep the virgin girls for himself- numbering several thousands of virgin girls. But how would these men know that the girl girls are virgins? Mr Wood is indignant in his deceitfulness.
@Summadat lmao on the 9 year old point. Yeah, Mr Wood has a problem with the prophets wife being 9 but if he would of just raped her astagfirullah, he wouldn't have a problem. These people are unbelievable. lol
...and then in the 47th minute...mr Wood spews lie after lie. He said that the Qur'an says that man was created from a blood clot. Well the Qur'an does say that that man was created from an 'alaq'. And 'Alaq' means a few things; a leech, a clinging thing, or a blood clot. Mr Wood chose the most obscure definition- 'blood clot', and makes no mention of the other two; but in fact, the zygote looks just like a blood clot! It also clings like a leech to the interior surface of the uterus!
No thank you, Mr Wood. You told us that the 'Name' in Matthew 28:19 is in a singular form- and it refers to all three- the father, son and holy spirit. But in fact, mr Wood. the Greek word for 'name' there is 'onoma'. And 'onoma' is translated as 'names' in Matthew 10:2. Moot point again Mr Wood. Classic failure. The Greek word 'onoma' could be plural or singular...it bears no significance on the number of subjects. Try again! Mr Wood.
Immediately following, 18:50 to 19:12, Mr Wood makes a fool of himself...again! 'Baptize them in the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,...the NAME is singular...' Yeah, Sure. the word 'name' in that verse is singular indeed. But what is the 'name' of the son? what is the 'name' of the father'? and what is the 'name' of the Holy spirit? Obviously, the grammar here is not literal! But Mr Woods is oblivious to that...or he's just plain deceitful.
Blunder: 18:32-45, David said about Elohim being plural, and the verb being singular. Indeed, but Exodus 7:1 uses the same plural 'Elohim' for Moses, and Moses was one person! Apart from that, ask any Jew about their Hebrew language, and they will give you the same rendition of 'Elohim'. That it is a plural of respect and authority- not a plural of numbers! The same concept exists in Arabic. Shame on u Mr Wood...again.
@Summadat Why do Christians ignore and argue with those that speak Hebrew on this issue, when they don't even speak the language, it is sad. I had so many arguements with them on "WE" in the Quran. They told me Allah swt admitts to being a trinity by referring to himself using WE. The take the Eastern languages like Hebrew and Arabic and apply western standards. lol
You tube - "Old Bible Found in Palestine", that agrees with the Islamic believe that Jesus a.s. was a serveant of God and not divine. Also it speaks nothing of Jesus a.s. even being the Son Of God, infact it doesn't even speak of the resurrection. Paul who never met Jesus a.s. had mystical visions and added to the Bible. Yet, Jesus own brother and family that wrote about Jesus had their teaches of Jesus declared and conscidered heresy. Christians you've been lied to, you follow Paul not Jesus as
@exodus4034 Also referring to your statement, "if that is what you think we believe." I ask the question, do all Christians believe the same? If so then why are their different versions of the Bible and so many different denominations and translations, that differ. Why was it necessary to have a debate on whether to describe God as 1 or a Trinity?
Look up on you tube - Old Bible found in Palestine
@exodus4034 I am not misunderstanding anything I used to be Christian. Now tell me where I am wrong, referring to the comment below, you didn't answer that question. Also I have studied the Bible and it is not accurate and uses upper and lower case letters, unlike Hebrew and Arabic. Jesus a.s. and his mother spoke Aramaic, do you have that bible? You have in your Bible according Mark, according to Luke, according to John and so on. Now tell me, where is the book according to Jesus Christ?
@exodus4034 I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say Lord means God(Rabb). But, do you think the words lord, god, and prophet are consistent in their meanings in the biblical text. If so why do you have capital and lower case letters. You said I am making a mistake with word reference, but in Hebrew there are no uppercase and lower case letters. You are suggesting that in the Bible every time lord, god, and prophet are used the refer to the creator of the heavens and the earth.
@exodus4034 So in royal families and in the past when people referred to their King and Queens as lord, they were calling them God? No. The word lord has several meanings and so does god...
Muslims are not limiting God by saying God is limited. God is limited to being God and God alone, God never never become one of his creations. God is the creator of the heavens and earth, certain things God cannot do like forget, make mistakes, worship another God, die, become ignorant, be weak, ect.
@MrDeen22 and muhammad was a paedophile, bigamist and sadistic warmonger with a God complex. Fuck islam, your psychosexual, maniacal religion is a one way path to the fires of the devil.
@MrDeen22 lol except none of that is written in the bible. Your own holy book talks about how muhammad shagged 9 year old girls and waged war against non muslims. PS how was Jesus fucking white kids when he wasnt in Europe? You will burn in hell for being a muslim, I strongly believe that such a disgusting cult was created to draw all the mysoginistic, closed minded sadists together so that when the time comes its easier for us to eradicate them.
@MrDeen22 Dude i don't know who you are but you can't say that about Jesus. he is a prophet of Islam and he was Muslim. If christians and jews and whosever want to say nasty things about Muhammed, you can't respond like that towards Jesus. He doesn't belong to them he is totally Muslim. Their pope is fair game and although christians try to distinguish themselves from catholics, their religion is still based on the pope. christianity is only 400 years old but catholics are 1700 year old
@MrDeen22 because the early christians are mostly Muslims because they submitted to God and only the council of Nicea in 360 codified the pagan beliefs as catholic religion. later in 1500 the protestant started a new religion now has many sects like baptists, episcopalians, lutherans and a host of different religion until LDS and jehovas. so please you can crap on their false religions, their saints, their popes, their preachers who are mostly alcoholics and homos, stay way from Jesus.
@glower125 no, but that's incorrect, as even in the second century there was the idea of since Jesus having come from God, then Jesus would be in essence, who God is.
"MOSTLY alcoholics and homos" is a ridiculous assumption... you ought to probably judge wiser than that. Even so, let's go further: the point is what a person has in their heart anyway, so you're going to have many people in all religions that may just follow their own desires. 1 John 5:20 - we know Him in/by Jesus.
Truth is truth. Religion is a creation of man, there is no religion only truth, and truth comes from Allah. Anything that you can see with your eyes or has been seen on this earth by men with their eyes, is not God, could not be God, and can never be God. God is the creator of all things, ruler of all things, and sustainer of this universe and all that exist, that even which we have no knowledge of. God does not talk like men, walk like men, eat, sleep, weep, google, or pray like men!!!!
Type in on You Tube - Oldest Bible found in Palestine - Jesus was a servant of God and not God This information comes from Christian scholars that they chose not to share and hide away from the Christian world for many years like other biblical manuscripts in the past. Listen very close how they speak about councils of men that wanted to corrupt the original teachings of Jesus and why.
Remember this does not come from muslims but Christians them selves.
@exodus4034 By the way please google what I asked you to, the information does not come from muslims it comes from high christians in the christian church. You don't have to believe me, your own scholars say this.
@exodus4034 but that is the debate, whether or not everything in your bible is from God and we know for a fact that it is not if it was then there would have been know need for the Christian Church to add verses and throw verses out.
@2thessalonians15 I agree, a true Christian would never do that because the love the word and fear Gods wrath for such a evil deed. But, there were evil men who got their hands on the Holy Book in high places that sought to corrupt it. But yes, I agree with you a true follower of Jesus would never think of doing such a despicable act. Type in on You Tube - Oldest Bible found in Palestine - Jesus was a servant of God and not God
@exodus4034 True, but what is your point...Prophets receive revelation from God through Angel Gabriel, they don't have to be eye witnesses of history if God reveals through them what happened. If the bible was revealed through Jesus (pbbuh) and those were his words alone, muslims wouldn't have a problem with it. We as muslims want to hear the words of Jesus( pbbuh), not anyone else because humanbeings are human beings. We want to know what our beloved Jesus said...what Jesus said!!!!!!!!!!
@exodus4034 Jesus did not write the Bible, who told you this, the evidence is so overwhelming that it is ridiculous to argue. Jesus did not write one word of it!
Came expecting Wood to school Ahmed, leaving slightly disappointed. Still, Ahmed accuses Wood of adopting a humanist morality and then expresses the totally relativist position that there's no way to judge the morality of another culture? Wow
Ahmed makes an occasional good point, but he reveals too easily that he'll do anything, no matter how intellectually dishonest, to fight his debates.
@exodus4034" You already know who wrote the bible,but you refuse to accept it.His name is spelled J-E-S-U-S! HE is the Living Word."
Jeremiah, Chapter 8, Verse 8 says this 8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
@Hamilton111111 His name is probably actually transliterated best as YSHW or YHSHW, depending on the variation of the hebrew form you will use. The last consonant is like a silent letter, so it's difficult to put it into english, but it is transliterated as an A because of how it follows, so like Yeshua or Yehoshua as you typically see and all their variant transliterations. In English it's also "Joshua". Connect that with Joshua the high priest being called the Branch in Zechariah 6:12.
whoops, wrong comment... still, the verse in context, if you look at it, is talking about them NOT doing the Law, but writing down their own ideas and following them (Talmudic writings etc.)
same thing that Muhammad claimed about Christians and Jews, but some people try to say he was saying the Bible was corrupt when he wasn't saying that... :| It's just that the people who propagate this view see how it would condemn Muhammad's teaching if he confirmed the bible :|
Which is the true religion? NONE. Why? Religious believes stated in some form of animism, to polytheism and to monotheism. So to say which monotheistic religion is true, is truly absurd. They evolved from each other. The only thing we are currently missing in our day and age is a further logical evolution into ATHESIM. CUT ONE MORE GOD OUT, part of the evolutionary process that religion has been going through, and you get ATHEISM.
.048 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee.
@WayOfTheMaster454 "Jesus is God the Son" stop brainwashing youreself and start thinking. jesus as. never claim to be god ore worship me! the reason why muhammad as. sad the truth is in youre bibel! jesus as. was worshiping the one and only god, thats why he is a prophet of god.
The sun setting in the east in mucky pool of water!! Sounds like an eye account of the sun setting in the ocean or a reflection in water.
As for Jesus, Muslims believe he was a prophet and therefore performed miracles, but doesn't mean he is GOD!! The New testament was written by jesus followers after his death!! hence not reliable as its not jesus words. Ohh and theres so many versions of the bible that contradict each other! not a reliable source.
@TFengineer I love you man, so i really don't want to argue about this. But yes i do believe the spirit in Jesus Christ was God himself. Hence, Jesus calling himself the I AM. He was saying that voice in the burning bush that Moses heard was him, and i believe him and i hope one day you do to. May all of Gods blessings be upon you.
David wood is a smart man but also very gullible to his own intellect. He know's full well nadir ahmed is a poor debator and knows he will eat him up intellectually,what a typical christian thing to do.very underhanded tactics.he debated sami zataari and got hammered,he debated shabir ally and got hammered.he came to london and got hammered.james white is the best debator for christiandom and he is very smart and has cocky mouth.but he got it aswell
@mawa89g no probs buddy we human beings are prone to error, I commend your honesty that is very noble.may Allah/God/Eloh guide you one day to islam the message of all prophets ameen
@mawa89g no probs buddy we human beings are prone to error, I commend your honesty that is very noble.may Allah/God/Eloh guide you one day to islam the message of all prophets ameen,I can prove my case that islam is the message of all prophets linguistically speaking god willing
I think Nadir Ahmed needs to learn some basic principles about how to debate. He sets standarts (like the things with the towns mentioned, alcohol) that he happens to find in the quran and says that THIS is the thing you HAVE to find in a book, than it's from god. Well, you could make this with just any book.
Of course, if you follow the christian law (love your neighbor), you won't drink alcohol when pregnant. And you also won't let people assassinate or get whole tribes killed like Muhammad.
The Quran/the example of what Muhammad did in a lot of things tells the different than Jesus does, and in my opinion always in a bad, violent way.
The christian law has an inner, moralic evidence. Loving and forgiving is good.
That's what my heart would tell me.
But Islam - death sentence in situations a christian would be told to forgive, amputation of hands in situations a christian would be told to forgive...that's a 7th century warlord law how you would expect it to be.
He never said he was god.and most christians 2day dont know what the phrase son of god in hebrew actually meant.Europeans historically perverted the true meaning of many hebrew and aramaic words to suit their paganism and political needs.The son of god meant in both hebrew and aramaic a person who believes in one god and does gods will.thats it.the begotten son fiction was added in to the bible later and isnt in the oldest manuscripts.Thats a fact that is still covered up
I also now that there was that meaning of "son of god".
But there is no possibility to hold this meaning as it was understood in the context of Jesus, there's a totally different tone behind it in the NT. You find it just all over the NT that Jesus in this sense is the only son of god. It's independent from the other "son of god"-phrase. That there is another meaning doesn't mean it is the same one.
I see where you r going with this,most fascinating indeed. I was christian myself protestant.And I converted from judaism to christianity ages ago,until I started to do research and realised the inconsistenices and additions and ommissions,As a native hebrew speaker im appalled when I hear a non hebrew speaker saying begotten son when in the oldest manuscripts it was never their,when you have time take a holiday to greece and checkout the codex sinaiticus it rips to pieces the NT
@mawa89g NO, wish i could make you see ur wrong, mohamed (peace be upon him) was and is the greatest man ever, islam is a peace religion , we are peacefuill people, i hope u can see that, mohamed (peace be upon him) was never violent
Shall I give you some tons of relyable Hadith from Bukhari and Muslims which prove different? He raided caravans. He killed all men of a whole tribe. Fought numerous battles. There even are Hadith (Like Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3371) which show that his soldiers were allowed to rape female captives (fitting to Sura 4, 24).
Also, there are a lot of versus in the quran which call for violence.
Sura 4:24 is fake? If it is, the Quran looses its claim to be perfect and Islam falls.
It's just a historical fact that he did these things, according to whatever historical Muslim source you go to. If you say "this is fake" you plainly have no basis for what you're saying, while I have numerous Hadiths etc and also verses from the Quran beloning to these sitautions as proof.
I guess you have an idealized picture of Muhammad, based on today's values.
@mawa89g ‘Never let your enmity for anyone lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. Always be just: that is closest to being God-fearing.’
(al-Ma’idah 5:8)
‘Do you know the one who denies the (Day of) Judgement? It is he who pushes the orphan away, and urges not to feed the needy. Woe, then unto those praying ones, who are heedless of their prayers, who want to be seen and praised, and refuse (to give) even little things in charity.’
I'd also like to ask you why you accept these good things from the Hadith, but not the bad things?
It's not very likely that these people collecting them would have invented anything bad about Muhammad, they loved him.
Or don't you know the passages from Muslim and Bukhari in which he orders to kill apostates, murder people who criticized him, kill unarmed war prisoners, enslave women and children ans so on?
@mawa89g how do you know if they really love him, or they just pretend that so you believe them ! give the whole hadiths or verses in which he orders to kill .... ! plz don't you believe whatever !! know that in the quran Allah asks us to love Jesus (pboh) as we love Mohammed (pboh) and respect the Bible as we respect the Quran !! and that's what I do ! i read almost the half of the bible, and i really do respect it
"They" happen to be the best islamic Historians like Bukhari and Muslim. They are declared "Sahih" by Muslim scholars, so I guess they are not estimated to be lying, are they?
If you don't know the passages from the Quran were you are commanded to fight, you haven't read much of it. Read Sura 9, for example.
Hadith:
"Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.(...)'" (Bukhari Version 4, Book 52 Number 270)
@mawa89g oh ! brother, i admit i'm not even close to religious !! but i trust what in the quran cuz it's right ! i live in peace i read the quran sometimes and i haven't found any violence in it ! it was a hard time back then then, the should've been serious to hold things !! here in morocco we have a churches next to mosques !! so let's leave our differences behind and love each other we're brothers and sisters !! ok ?
And if you haven't found any violence in the Quran, you, sorry, haven't read more than ten sentences?
"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
"(...) Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I'm actually reading the Quran and read a lot of Hadith. I didn't find any context so far which made these things better.
And, I think a passage which - for whatever reason - calls for violence is a sound answer to someone who wrote "there is no violence at all in the quran".
As far as I know, there are somewhat over 100 verses in the Quran which call for violence against unbelievers, Jews or Christians.
I'm totally for loving each other - that's what my faith tells me - but that means that I'll try to show someone else when he follows a wrong path. Jesus said that no-one will come to the father except through him.
But Islam in so many thing is the opposite of what Jesus taught. His description of false prophets fits perfectly to Muhammad.
@mawa89g no, the unbelievers in islam are those who don't believe in god at all!! jews and christians do believe in god ! Muhammed (PBUH) has a Jew neighbor they were friends !!
"(...) The Prophet said, "If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" Bukhari V4 B52 N260
"Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." Bukhari V4 B52 Number 73
"Allah's Apostle sent a group of the Ansar to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night and killed him while he was sleeping." Bukhari V 4, B 52, N 265
"The Prophet said, "War is deceit."" Bukhari V4, B52, N269
All from one single Book of Bukhari. There is much, much more.
@mawa89g ok, the campaign of Qurayza and subsequent fate of the Jews of this tribe provided them with reasonable plain to exaggerate and lie on, i'll try to explain what really happened :
When Holy Prophet (PBUH) migrated from Makkah and reached Medina (Yathrib) there were three main Jewish tribes there. Banu Qainuqa, Banu Nadir and Banu Qurayza,
@mawa89g soon after the arrival when two main non-Jewish tribes of Medina, namely Aws and Khazraj, had almost universally accepted Islam, the Prophet (PBUH) arranged for a treaty among the inhabitants of Medina including the Jews.
Muslims and Jews were in a mutual defense pact and a special clause was added warning the signees against helping the Quraysh
@mawa89g The cruel weather and distance from their homes soon caused consternation in the attacking camps. The leaders of the invaders, in league with the treacherous Jews of Qurayza, made out to finish the task soon.
@mawa89g But providence did not really let them have the show. In the nick of the time, a certain recent revert, Nu’aym bin Mas’ud, as a part of the stratagem of war sowed the seeds of discord among the invaders and their under hand supporters, the Jews of Qurayza He convinced the Qurayza that given their sensitive position they should not agree to work with the Quraysh and the allies unless they hand them over some of their important men as a guarantee that they would fight to finish the propht
@mawa89g and will not leave them alone to face the Muslims in any case. Thereafter he made the Quraysh to believe that Qurayza were playing a double game and that they would demand some of their finest men as guarantee whom they plan to hand over to Muhammad (PBUH) as token of their fidelity. Both sides gave in to the trick and the could-have-been-nightmare-for-Muslims alliance remained a dream.
@mawa89g children and women weren't enslaved "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself" they took them where they could live !
@mawa89g so It was the only way out for the Muslims to stay protected from their treachery and evil. Earlier another Jewish tribe, al-Nadir, had been put to exile but they had since then proven more dangerous. Putting Qurayza to exile would only have piled up the troubles and helped creation of a tangible Jewish threat to the state of Medina; therefore it was necessary to put their episode to end.
All you wrote doesn't change the fact that Muhammad ordered to execute at least 400 unarmed war prisoners, from about 12-14 years on. Nothing justifies anything like this. Of course women and children were enslaved. Read the Hadiths about it.
I don't think mass executions and slavery is something that a role model for all mankind should do. As he shouldn't raid caravans. Or torture Safiyya's first husband for money.
About Jesus. If you go to his teachings, you'll see that the Quran and Muhammad's example directly contradicts most of it. Jesus told us to love and forgive everyone, also enemies. A Muslim kills his enemies, as Muhammad showed. Jesus told us to never lie. Bukhari states that Muhammad estimated war "deceit", and what Taquiyya is should be familiar to you. Jesus said we should ony have one wife/husband. Muhammad got unlimited (why exactly..?!), normal MALE Muslims four.
@mawa89g ok !! about the polygamy, Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."
about lying "No vanity shall they hear therein (in Heaven), nor lying: (Quran, 78:35)"
@mawa89g about the enemies "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." (quran)
so i geuss so far i made (polygamy, lying, enemies) issues clear for you
"When anyone greets you in a courteous manner, let your greetings be better that his- or at least return the same, Allah keeps account of everything."
"Who will loan to Allah a beautiful loan which Allah will increase manifold? Allah alone can decrease and increase wealth, and to Him you shall return" (2:245) ( loan to allah means give poor people what they need)
so brother listen, the quran is the only perfect book on earth please don't reject faith, at least respect it
It's very easy to quote these separate things without mentioning what else is in it.
I guess you know yourself that there are also very bad things in the Quran, like big parts of Sura 9.
Also, alone that the Quran says that Muhammad is a role model is, in combination with the Sunna of Muhammad, the Hadith etc, proof enough that it's not so peaceful.
You have to ignore plainly everything about Muhammad from the Hidschra on if you want to see him peaceful.
@mawa89g You make me laugh pal,because muhammad(pbuh) didnt let whole tribes be killed.in fact if you read the seal of the nectar,basically the early life of muhammad you will find that muhammad suffered greatly before ever lifted a sword.and the fact he hated fighting is fully documented,but in life sometimes the evil people force even the strictist pascifists hand.proof just checkout the shaolin monks when they were getting slaughtered in china
@ryukenb2k That is disingenuous. Mohammed ordered murders and beatings for those who challenged or mocked him ...that is irrefutable and accapted by all major islamic scholars.
One has to go into detail and the situation of the time of Muhammad peace be upon him. Muhammad(pbuh) was very similar to beloved Moses(pbuh) in more ways the one. And Moses(pbuh) ordered his people to fight against injustice and tyranny. So we cant be selective in what we choose of one's charachter to be fair to Allah/God prophets.I can go into lots of detail about the 2 times someone was killed for ridiculing muhammad with poetry.did you bother to check the historical context of given scene
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soltbolz 1 week ago
@2hottie69Forever Its a shame Jesus' name doesn't mean The God like what Allah means. That is good. Thank you for proving Jesus was a true prophet because if he was not the truth we would all have been lied to. Also you refuted nothing. All you said to me was that Jesus had the same name as one of Allah's 99 names. So what? Does this mean Jesus is eternal? Does this mean he is immaterial? Does this mean there is nothing like him and no images of him?
soltbolz 1 week ago
@soltbolz
Jesus said I am "The Truth"
one of allahs name is "The Truth"
islam has been refuted
2hottie69Forever 1 week ago
regarding Aisha being 6 and marrying 50 year old muhammad has nothing to do with values of another time of another society.
6 year old girls do not ovulate therefore marriage becomes redundant thus proving that the quran and islam is a lie.
sorry for destroying all islam, i truly am
2hottie69UNDISPUTED 2 weeks ago 6
1:30:30 Nadir, seriously? Billions upon billions upon billion?? There are just over 7 billion alive today, and your going to tell us that billions UPON billions UPON billions were saved? there having been that many people. Some researchers state that there's never been 7 billion people until the people who were born (and living today) were born, someone alive today was the 7billionth person, others say that there were more but still maybe 10 billion? NOT a billion upon a billion especially.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
@auditorization when you take into consideration that mohammed didn't come until 600 AD. and that means that the world was already 4,500 years old! and only 1500 years later billions upon billions upon billions were saved by mohammed words? This is ridiculous We've not had that many in that short time.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
57:02 Now your attacking the OT? you JUST said you believed the OT?? your quran DEMANDS you believe the OT, HOW CAN YOU ATTACK THE OT if your a good muslim??
58:13 the error of equivocation?? No only in your mind Nadir. David doesn't believe that Aisha was anymore than a woman And True Christians understand that Mary was found favor with God, but she still is NOT God and NOT to be worshipped. Catholics are wrong in this.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
56:39 Nadir, David's rebuttal has alot of truth in the UNscientificness of the quran. Also, about aisha, she married mohammed at AGE 6, and it says he consumated the marriage at 9! So YES he had sex with a 9 year old. Don't use Taqiyya! Speak the truth! don't lie to cover up for islam (Taqiyya - lying to protect islam which the quran instructs muslims to do!)
auditorization 2 weeks ago
40:30 to answer your question, The devil clothes himself in light. It is not surprising then that he would provide some positive earthly things while getting people into betraying God, and then following the quran. If you made a deal with the devil, why would he care what he told/gave you if it was good or not, if he knew he was keeping your soul from God. - That's all he cares about, b/c by not following God, you are following Satan.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
39:19 it is soo hard to listen to this, Nadir, yes drinking in moderation, Jesus's FIRST MIRACLE was turning water into wine! NO DONT DRINK WHILE PREGNANT! Modern medical science also has proven that drinking in moderation say a small amount of wine a day- is a heathly anti-cancer regimen. IT promotes healthy liver function. In the Bible anything (except loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself) done in excess is a sin. It was know to pagans as vices, same thing.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
38:- 38:30 Nadir Nadir, more FALSE scientific evidence from the quran, the SUN DOES NOT ORBIT, it is the earth that orbits the sun. This was a common belief right alongside the belief that the world is flat. we know now that these things are NOT true. please read genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" modern science tells us all that exists is space, time and matter. In the beginning(time) God created the Heavens(Space) and the earth (matter). My God created ALL
auditorization 2 weeks ago
I have to interject again. 37:10 Nadir, you don't build walls to fight against, but to DEFEND against. Walls are NOT offensive, they are DEFENSIVE. It is to protect themselves from the muslim aggressors. I do find it amusing that you support the OT, good for you your starting to follow your quran, BUT, the OT testifys AGAINST your mohammed, it condemns the quran. "You will change NOT ONE JOT or TIDDLE from the Torah" The quran gives instructions for changing things. Please read the OT carefully
auditorization 2 weeks ago
"allah can do all things"
BUT
he cannot have a son, LMAO
thx for letting me know that islam is a weird lie and makes no sense, thank u, i was going to convert but not anymore because nobody knows why allah is not powerful enough to have a son.
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago 7
@2hottie69Forever Well if Jesus is the son of God then that also makes him a bastard. I hate to say it but using your fucked up logic Jesus is a bastard which is totally disrespectful. May God forgive you for this total blasphemy. If you don't want Jesus to be called a bastard then don't call him the son of God.
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
the term "bastard" is your definition and you are using it in a context to fit your argument!
period.
if anything Muhammad was a bastard in the eyes of islam since his parents were not muslim (which means muhammad wasnt muslim) and the parents actually didnt recite the islamic prayer to keep the devil out during conception.
its funny how muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the quran oh and he had 13 wives, hmm it seems he gave himself more sexual privileges,after all he was "allah"
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever The definition of "bastard" doesn't change depending on the context. You either are or you aren't. If you are willing to call Jesus the son of God then he also has to have the title "bastard" because God was not married to the virgin mary when he impregnated her. Also you cannot give a single bit of proof that the prophet Muhammed was a bastard. All you did was say his parents weren't Muslim which has nothing to do with whether he was a bastard or not CONT>
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
I guess Adam is a bastard too then.
thanks for proving you dont even know whats in the quran sir/madame
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever We don't call Adam the son of God sir/madame.
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
incorrect
Adam didn't have a father by your definition so he is a bastard right?
oh no, you wont dare call him a Bastard since you muslims claim he is a prophet
the stupidity is that he couldn't be a prophet since who is he going to be a prophet for?
*sigh*
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever I am not claiming Adam to be a son of God. You are claiming Jesus to be the son of God. You have created a logical fallacy as well as the trinity which is complete nonsense. If Adam had a mother and was called the son of God then yes, he would therefore be a bastard but this obviously isn't the case. They are both messengers of God and not literally "son" of God. Spiritual son then yes all of them are not just Jesus. CONT>
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
the Trinity is nonsense?
thats funny because water is ice, gas and liquid.
why cant God be 3?
Is allah not more complicated than water?
i guess not
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever Not really because you are using a false analogy. God is more complicated than water in any religion. Also Allah is the arabic word for God so don't even bother insulting your own God. Also the elements which form water are completely different to that of a gas etc. This makes no sense. You are basically saying that Jesus was nothing like God in any way but we have to believe he is God for no good reason. If you see Jesus praying to God you aren't going to say he is God.
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
so you are saying that allah is not more complicated than water right?
2hottie69Forever 1 week ago
@2hottie69Forever i never worship dead god
iwantyou9944 5 days ago
@iwantyou9944
you dont worship dead god? me too
but you worship pedophile god that put his penis in little 6 year old aisha
poor aisha
i wish muhammad wasnt HUNG LIKE A HORSE.
2hottie69Forever 5 days ago
@2hottie69Forever hahaha angry i didnt insult you i just said you worship dead god lol muhmed marrid aisha abubaker her father asked prophet muhmed and mary in your bible marrid josph when she was 14 you are realy ignorent , i will not worship dead god or god discribe as lamb and god become bird lol sorry
iwantyou9944 4 days ago
@iwantyou9944
excuse me? I didnt insult you
I said you worship a pedophile god, that is not a lie, that is the truth so how is that an insult.
Joseph married Mary, she was 14, 14 year old ladies can conceive babies remember?
14 year old ladies can have babies.
BUT
islam allows men to touch even babies sexually, your IMAM's says its ok
watch?v=7t8JDcCoaJM
oh and Aisha was 6 not 14 when that 54year old man put his penis in her legs, i hope he was not big like a HORSE.=====D
2hottie69Forever 4 days ago
@2hottie69Forever If you are going to say Jesus is the son of God literally then you therefore have to accept he is a "bastard".If you call him the son of God spiritually then fair enough he is not a bastard but then all the messengers have to be called sons of God otherwise you would be calling Jesus the son of God because of the virgin birth which means you are talking it literally which makes him a bastard. Do you not see why the atheists are mocking our messenger?
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever Also you said he is only mentioned 4 times in the Qur'an or something. Who cares? This actually supports him being a true prophet because if he was a false prophet he would have his name all throughout the Qur'an and boast about how good he was as well as his emotions etc. but we see none of this. Also if he married loads of wives for sexual pleasure then how come he married a lot of widows? Which person looking for sexual pleasure would marry widows? CONT>
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
Yes he did prove to be good in handling his emotions, his 6 year old baby wife aisha was thighed till she turned 9.
thighing is placing the male member between the females leg and rubbing it till he reached sexual peak.
islam scholars agree that muhammad was indeed strong with his emotions and self control since he resisted to penetrate her.
Furthermore, muhammad was weird, and he proved it with the rules about his wives underarm hair and their moustache.
really weird.
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever Also his wives were from different tribes which brought peace amongst them. This prevented a lot of bad things which could have happened. And lastly you said that Muhammed was Allah which is a logical contradiction but I don't blame you because you are a Christian so these things are common for you. God cannot die and God cannot be born. God is transcendent and there are no images of him. Wake up.
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@soltbolz
yes allah was muhammed in the sense since muhammad seemed to always get more sexual perverted privileges.
Islam allows you to have sex with baby girls as young as ONE DAY OLD.
watch?v=7t8JDcCoaJM
2hottie69Forever 2 weeks ago
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@2hottie69Forever "allah was muhammed in the sense"... No you can't be Allah "in the sense". You either are or aren't. I feel bad for you because you Christians learnt what logic was at an older age because your trinity is a bit hard to understand at a young age.
soltbolz 2 weeks ago
@2hottie69Forever allah said he has no one to share with , lol jesus your god die he can do all things hahaha
iwantyou9944 5 days ago
@iwantyou9944
Jesus is praised by Muhammad, and you are laughing at Jesus so that means you are not a true muslim.
lol
I can laugh at muhammad because he is NOBODY important
lol
ISLAM DESTROYED AGAIN.
2hottie69Forever 5 days ago
@2hottie69Forever God can do anything He Wills, but can God make a mistake? Can God be evil? Can God act stupid? NO, becuase as soon as God does any of these acts He ceases to be God because "God" by definition is Perfect meaning He doesn't make mistakes, doesn't act stupid and doesn't do evil. Just like God is One and can't have a son. I know how hard you want Jesus to be God but he just isn't, and I hardly believe some loser on youtube can destroy Islam, fastest growing religion motherfucker.
DBZGTRB 3 days ago
@DBZGTRB
yes islam is the fastest growing cancer, i mean sorry religion
if you didnt chop up your daughters into pieces for not wearing a hijab perhaps she would leave islam.
if you didnt kill your wife for not wearing a burqa perhaps she would have left islam
if poor arab countries if you didnt bribe the poor to convert to islam, they wouldnt convert.
if you didnt threaten 99.999 of every muslim or face death, islam wouldnt be the fastes growing CANCER.
your comment is refuted again
2hottie69Forever 3 days ago
@2hottie69Forever lol look how cut you're getting. Fastest growing religion motherfucker. stop spending all your time on youtube trying to stop something thats impossible to stop. Islam will prevail over falsehood for falsehood by nature is bound to perish.
DBZGTRB 3 days ago
@DBZGTRB
yes, if worshipping a pedophile was a religion and if you got killed for not wearing a scarf, or threatened to be stoned if u go on a date with someone than naturally that religion would grow very fast.
oh wait, thats islam.
hey dont forget what allahs 99 names is Al-haq, that means THE TRUTH.
1500 years before that comic book the quran was written buy a demonic guy mohammad, Jesus said "I AM THE TRUTH"
islam is refuted again.
2hottie69Forever 3 days ago
Nadir your usually wrong on many accounts let me point one out. 26:36 Semeramus was Nimrod's wife. This was a BABYLONIAN king, not greek, and once God smote the tower of babil and confused the languages, this is why there are soo many gods' birthdays are on dec 25th.(Jesus' real birthday is closer to october 12th. or Tishi 15th on the hebrew calendar.) Most dont know this, also Constantine was the one that declared everyone must worship on sunday and on dec 25 to honor the sungod nimrod.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
@auditorization So Christians began making it Christ's birthday so they wouldn't be executed, and they have forgotten this historical truth. Islam is NOT a path to God, and the quran itself condemns islam as a false religion and mohammed as a false prophet.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
@auditorization FYI Nimrod was Seth's grandson, Seth Was NOAH's Son, you remember, the ark?? If anyone understood about God, it would be Noah, and so it's not hard to believe his family knew Noah and God's will to an extent as well. Nimrod, wanted to put himself as God, just like Satan wanted to be God.
auditorization 2 weeks ago
Nadir speaks the truth.
TheMrpalid 2 months ago 2
there all the same just different style of praying and beliefs. we all believe in one god
fuadali16 4 months ago
both Christianity and Islam are true, but ISLAM complets Christianity !!
TheSweetMidnight 8 months ago
David Wood is mediocre at best...he must be an embarrassment to christians.
glower125 9 months ago
i don't know why Muslim waste the time debating this ignorant morans. they have no understanding of their own scriptures let alone other people's books. their porno culture completely erased any rational judgement.
glower125 9 months ago
Lol, 'sex with a 9 yr old' disturbs Mr Wood...and Jesus ordering Moses to kill babies indiscriminately doesn't bother him? Sounds like the guy has psyche issues. Moses was also told to keep the virgin girls for himself- numbering several thousands of virgin girls. But how would these men know that the girl girls are virgins? Mr Wood is indignant in his deceitfulness.
Summadat 9 months ago
@Summadat Mr. Wood is the embodied definition of a hypocrite.
mia919100 9 months ago
@Summadat lmao on the 9 year old point. Yeah, Mr Wood has a problem with the prophets wife being 9 but if he would of just raped her astagfirullah, he wouldn't have a problem. These people are unbelievable. lol
mia919100 9 months ago
...and then in the 47th minute...mr Wood spews lie after lie. He said that the Qur'an says that man was created from a blood clot. Well the Qur'an does say that that man was created from an 'alaq'. And 'Alaq' means a few things; a leech, a clinging thing, or a blood clot. Mr Wood chose the most obscure definition- 'blood clot', and makes no mention of the other two; but in fact, the zygote looks just like a blood clot! It also clings like a leech to the interior surface of the uterus!
Summadat 9 months ago
No thank you, Mr Wood. You told us that the 'Name' in Matthew 28:19 is in a singular form- and it refers to all three- the father, son and holy spirit. But in fact, mr Wood. the Greek word for 'name' there is 'onoma'. And 'onoma' is translated as 'names' in Matthew 10:2. Moot point again Mr Wood. Classic failure. The Greek word 'onoma' could be plural or singular...it bears no significance on the number of subjects. Try again! Mr Wood.
Summadat 9 months ago
Immediately following, 18:50 to 19:12, Mr Wood makes a fool of himself...again! 'Baptize them in the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,...the NAME is singular...' Yeah, Sure. the word 'name' in that verse is singular indeed. But what is the 'name' of the son? what is the 'name' of the father'? and what is the 'name' of the Holy spirit? Obviously, the grammar here is not literal! But Mr Woods is oblivious to that...or he's just plain deceitful.
Summadat 9 months ago
Blunder: 18:32-45, David said about Elohim being plural, and the verb being singular. Indeed, but Exodus 7:1 uses the same plural 'Elohim' for Moses, and Moses was one person! Apart from that, ask any Jew about their Hebrew language, and they will give you the same rendition of 'Elohim'. That it is a plural of respect and authority- not a plural of numbers! The same concept exists in Arabic. Shame on u Mr Wood...again.
Summadat 9 months ago
@Summadat Why do Christians ignore and argue with those that speak Hebrew on this issue, when they don't even speak the language, it is sad. I had so many arguements with them on "WE" in the Quran. They told me Allah swt admitts to being a trinity by referring to himself using WE. The take the Eastern languages like Hebrew and Arabic and apply western standards. lol
mia919100 9 months ago
2 NO REALITY OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY PLZ GO 2 YOUTUBE.COM/user/REKKITTEN
TheAngelofliberty 9 months ago
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I saw the title of the clip and had to comment:
NEITHER ONE!!!
Dancinstan1 9 months ago
You tube - "Old Bible Found in Palestine", that agrees with the Islamic believe that Jesus a.s. was a serveant of God and not divine. Also it speaks nothing of Jesus a.s. even being the Son Of God, infact it doesn't even speak of the resurrection. Paul who never met Jesus a.s. had mystical visions and added to the Bible. Yet, Jesus own brother and family that wrote about Jesus had their teaches of Jesus declared and conscidered heresy. Christians you've been lied to, you follow Paul not Jesus as
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 Also referring to your statement, "if that is what you think we believe." I ask the question, do all Christians believe the same? If so then why are their different versions of the Bible and so many different denominations and translations, that differ. Why was it necessary to have a debate on whether to describe God as 1 or a Trinity?
Look up on you tube - Old Bible found in Palestine
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 I am not misunderstanding anything I used to be Christian. Now tell me where I am wrong, referring to the comment below, you didn't answer that question. Also I have studied the Bible and it is not accurate and uses upper and lower case letters, unlike Hebrew and Arabic. Jesus a.s. and his mother spoke Aramaic, do you have that bible? You have in your Bible according Mark, according to Luke, according to John and so on. Now tell me, where is the book according to Jesus Christ?
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say Lord means God(Rabb). But, do you think the words lord, god, and prophet are consistent in their meanings in the biblical text. If so why do you have capital and lower case letters. You said I am making a mistake with word reference, but in Hebrew there are no uppercase and lower case letters. You are suggesting that in the Bible every time lord, god, and prophet are used the refer to the creator of the heavens and the earth.
mia919100 10 months ago
@mia919100 Prophet does not mean God come on man buy a freakin dictionary...
appledapathy 9 months ago
@appledapathy I never said that, read the whole conversation before you make assumptions and ignorant comments...read the whole conversation.
mia919100 9 months ago
@exodus4034 Ask your self the question; Why would God have to pray and worship another God, for what reason?
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 So in royal families and in the past when people referred to their King and Queens as lord, they were calling them God? No. The word lord has several meanings and so does god...
Muslims are not limiting God by saying God is limited. God is limited to being God and God alone, God never never become one of his creations. God is the creator of the heavens and earth, certain things God cannot do like forget, make mistakes, worship another God, die, become ignorant, be weak, ect.
mia919100 10 months ago
Neither
Noone1505123 10 months ago
David is great!!!
momytu1 10 months ago
@david is a homo like jesus, he was a gay man who fucked little boys like ur pope
MrDeen22 10 months ago
@MrDeen22
And muslim said that they never blasphem and insult other religions.
momytu1 10 months ago
jesus christ was a fake and a lier
MrDeen22 10 months ago
@MrDeen22 and muhammad was a paedophile, bigamist and sadistic warmonger with a God complex. Fuck islam, your psychosexual, maniacal religion is a one way path to the fires of the devil.
ministryOFmuff 10 months ago
@ministryOFmuff jesus was a homo gay fucking jew who fucked little dirty white kids. jesus was a paedophile just like ur pope who suck the boys dick.
MrDeen22 10 months ago
@MrDeen22 lol except none of that is written in the bible. Your own holy book talks about how muhammad shagged 9 year old girls and waged war against non muslims. PS how was Jesus fucking white kids when he wasnt in Europe? You will burn in hell for being a muslim, I strongly believe that such a disgusting cult was created to draw all the mysoginistic, closed minded sadists together so that when the time comes its easier for us to eradicate them.
ministryOFmuff 10 months ago
@exodus4034 Jesus is Lord, yes he is, us Muslims agree...it is the God thing we have a problem with.
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 You dumb asssssssss, IT SAY'S IN YOUR OWN BIBLE JESUS IS A PROPHET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mia919100 10 months ago
As far as your supposed 'original bible' is concerned,why would it take them this long to find it?And,who found it?
2thessalonians15 10 months ago
Jesus is Lord!
2thessalonians15 10 months ago
@2thessalonians15 jesus the homo
MrDeen22 10 months ago
@MrDeen22 Dude i don't know who you are but you can't say that about Jesus. he is a prophet of Islam and he was Muslim. If christians and jews and whosever want to say nasty things about Muhammed, you can't respond like that towards Jesus. He doesn't belong to them he is totally Muslim. Their pope is fair game and although christians try to distinguish themselves from catholics, their religion is still based on the pope. christianity is only 400 years old but catholics are 1700 year old
glower125 9 months ago
@MrDeen22 because the early christians are mostly Muslims because they submitted to God and only the council of Nicea in 360 codified the pagan beliefs as catholic religion. later in 1500 the protestant started a new religion now has many sects like baptists, episcopalians, lutherans and a host of different religion until LDS and jehovas. so please you can crap on their false religions, their saints, their popes, their preachers who are mostly alcoholics and homos, stay way from Jesus.
glower125 9 months ago
@glower125 no, but that's incorrect, as even in the second century there was the idea of since Jesus having come from God, then Jesus would be in essence, who God is.
"MOSTLY alcoholics and homos" is a ridiculous assumption... you ought to probably judge wiser than that. Even so, let's go further: the point is what a person has in their heart anyway, so you're going to have many people in all religions that may just follow their own desires. 1 John 5:20 - we know Him in/by Jesus.
krononomikon 6 months ago
GOD IS ABOVE HIS CREATION!!!
mia919100 10 months ago
Truth is truth. Religion is a creation of man, there is no religion only truth, and truth comes from Allah. Anything that you can see with your eyes or has been seen on this earth by men with their eyes, is not God, could not be God, and can never be God. God is the creator of all things, ruler of all things, and sustainer of this universe and all that exist, that even which we have no knowledge of. God does not talk like men, walk like men, eat, sleep, weep, google, or pray like men!!!!
mia919100 10 months ago
Type in on You Tube - Oldest Bible found in Palestine - Jesus was a servant of God and not God This information comes from Christian scholars that they chose not to share and hide away from the Christian world for many years like other biblical manuscripts in the past. Listen very close how they speak about councils of men that wanted to corrupt the original teachings of Jesus and why.
Remember this does not come from muslims but Christians them selves.
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 By the way please google what I asked you to, the information does not come from muslims it comes from high christians in the christian church. You don't have to believe me, your own scholars say this.
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 So, you have that book??? Yeh and I have the ten commandments Moses a.s. carved on stone in my garage.
mia919100 10 months ago
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@exodus4034 So, you have that book, ok. lol
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 So, you have that book, ok.lol
mia919100 10 months ago
@exodus4034 but that is the debate, whether or not everything in your bible is from God and we know for a fact that it is not if it was then there would have been know need for the Christian Church to add verses and throw verses out.
mia919100 11 months ago
@mia919100 True christians don't add verses or throw verses out.
2thessalonians15 11 months ago
@2thessalonians15 I agree, a true Christian would never do that because the love the word and fear Gods wrath for such a evil deed. But, there were evil men who got their hands on the Holy Book in high places that sought to corrupt it. But yes, I agree with you a true follower of Jesus would never think of doing such a despicable act. Type in on You Tube - Oldest Bible found in Palestine - Jesus was a servant of God and not God
mia919100 11 months ago
@mia919100 Type in dead Sea Scrolls,and you will find the bible is still accurate to this day.
2thessalonians15 10 months ago
@2thessalonians15 hOW CAN IT BE ACCURATE, WAS IT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!
mia919100 10 months ago
@mia919100 Doesn't matter.It is still God's word!
2thessalonians15 10 months ago
@exodus4034 True, but what is your point...Prophets receive revelation from God through Angel Gabriel, they don't have to be eye witnesses of history if God reveals through them what happened. If the bible was revealed through Jesus (pbbuh) and those were his words alone, muslims wouldn't have a problem with it. We as muslims want to hear the words of Jesus( pbbuh), not anyone else because humanbeings are human beings. We want to know what our beloved Jesus said...what Jesus said!!!!!!!!!!
mia919100 11 months ago
@mia919100 But if those prophecies don't line up with the bible,then they are not prophecies from God.
exodus4034 11 months ago
@exodus4034 Jesus did not write the Bible, who told you this, the evidence is so overwhelming that it is ridiculous to argue. Jesus did not write one word of it!
mia919100 11 months ago
Came expecting Wood to school Ahmed, leaving slightly disappointed. Still, Ahmed accuses Wood of adopting a humanist morality and then expresses the totally relativist position that there's no way to judge the morality of another culture? Wow
Ahmed makes an occasional good point, but he reveals too easily that he'll do anything, no matter how intellectually dishonest, to fight his debates.
Argon09b 11 months ago
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@exodus4034" You already know who wrote the bible,but you refuse to accept it.His name is spelled J-E-S-U-S! HE is the Living Word."
Jeremiah, Chapter 8, Verse 8 says this 8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
Hamilton111111 11 months ago
@Hamilton111111 His name is probably actually transliterated best as YSHW or YHSHW, depending on the variation of the hebrew form you will use. The last consonant is like a silent letter, so it's difficult to put it into english, but it is transliterated as an A because of how it follows, so like Yeshua or Yehoshua as you typically see and all their variant transliterations. In English it's also "Joshua". Connect that with Joshua the high priest being called the Branch in Zechariah 6:12.
krononomikon 6 months ago
whoops, wrong comment... still, the verse in context, if you look at it, is talking about them NOT doing the Law, but writing down their own ideas and following them (Talmudic writings etc.)
same thing that Muhammad claimed about Christians and Jews, but some people try to say he was saying the Bible was corrupt when he wasn't saying that... :| It's just that the people who propagate this view see how it would condemn Muhammad's teaching if he confirmed the bible :|
krononomikon 6 months ago
@exodus4034 the one who don´t knwo are the christians. tell me hwo wrote youre bibel?
Hamilton111111 11 months ago
I don't even have to watch a second of this video, I can just simply answer the title:
Neither
hanspeterpitsch 1 year ago
Which is the true religion? NONE. Why? Religious believes stated in some form of animism, to polytheism and to monotheism. So to say which monotheistic religion is true, is truly absurd. They evolved from each other. The only thing we are currently missing in our day and age is a further logical evolution into ATHESIM. CUT ONE MORE GOD OUT, part of the evolutionary process that religion has been going through, and you get ATHEISM.
mnmur22 1 year ago
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abdu120379 1 year ago
Jesus is LORD
ADAJ3 1 year ago
@ADAJ3 amen-Jesus is LORD!
psalm964 1 year ago
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.048 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee.
ADAJ3 1 year ago
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Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
ADAJ3 1 year ago
Only God may found a religion, not a mere mortal as Mohammed was; Jesus is God the Son and thus founded Christianity, the true faith for mankind.
WayOfTheMaster454 1 year ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 "Jesus is God the Son" stop brainwashing youreself and start thinking. jesus as. never claim to be god ore worship me! the reason why muhammad as. sad the truth is in youre bibel! jesus as. was worshiping the one and only god, thats why he is a prophet of god.
Hamilton111111 1 year ago
CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION... THAT SAID, FUCK USA!
UShumanrightsabuses 1 year ago
RAPE is a capital punishment. it is not acceptable in shariah law
muslim2theend 1 year ago
The sun setting in the east in mucky pool of water!! Sounds like an eye account of the sun setting in the ocean or a reflection in water.
As for Jesus, Muslims believe he was a prophet and therefore performed miracles, but doesn't mean he is GOD!! The New testament was written by jesus followers after his death!! hence not reliable as its not jesus words. Ohh and theres so many versions of the bible that contradict each other! not a reliable source.
TheThink2010 1 year ago
@TheThink2010 Muhammed didn't write the koran did he? Your hypocrisy is so obvious. ha ha Oh the Irony!!!
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
@TheMethadoneParty
No one claims Muhammad (PBUH) is god though. You claim Jesus is god.
TFengineer 1 year ago
@TFengineer I love you man, so i really don't want to argue about this. But yes i do believe the spirit in Jesus Christ was God himself. Hence, Jesus calling himself the I AM. He was saying that voice in the burning bush that Moses heard was him, and i believe him and i hope one day you do to. May all of Gods blessings be upon you.
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
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MrDimitri2826 11 months ago
Brothers, brothers, we mustn't debate with each other. Surely we should all be united against our common enemy: THE JUDEAN PEOPLE'S FRONT!
flurkoneko 1 year ago
David wood is a smart man but also very gullible to his own intellect. He know's full well nadir ahmed is a poor debator and knows he will eat him up intellectually,what a typical christian thing to do.very underhanded tactics.he debated sami zataari and got hammered,he debated shabir ally and got hammered.he came to london and got hammered.james white is the best debator for christiandom and he is very smart and has cocky mouth.but he got it aswell
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
@ryukenb2k
Ahh, I did some language mistakes, sorry, was writing too fast ;-)
mawa89g 1 year ago
@mawa89g no probs buddy we human beings are prone to error, I commend your honesty that is very noble.may Allah/God/Eloh guide you one day to islam the message of all prophets ameen
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
@mawa89g no probs buddy we human beings are prone to error, I commend your honesty that is very noble.may Allah/God/Eloh guide you one day to islam the message of all prophets ameen,I can prove my case that islam is the message of all prophets linguistically speaking god willing
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
I think Nadir Ahmed needs to learn some basic principles about how to debate. He sets standarts (like the things with the towns mentioned, alcohol) that he happens to find in the quran and says that THIS is the thing you HAVE to find in a book, than it's from god. Well, you could make this with just any book.
Of course, if you follow the christian law (love your neighbor), you won't drink alcohol when pregnant. And you also won't let people assassinate or get whole tribes killed like Muhammad.
mawa89g 1 year ago
@mawa89g
The Quran/the example of what Muhammad did in a lot of things tells the different than Jesus does, and in my opinion always in a bad, violent way.
The christian law has an inner, moralic evidence. Loving and forgiving is good.
That's what my heart would tell me.
But Islam - death sentence in situations a christian would be told to forgive, amputation of hands in situations a christian would be told to forgive...that's a 7th century warlord law how you would expect it to be.
mawa89g 1 year ago
He never said he was god.and most christians 2day dont know what the phrase son of god in hebrew actually meant.Europeans historically perverted the true meaning of many hebrew and aramaic words to suit their paganism and political needs.The son of god meant in both hebrew and aramaic a person who believes in one god and does gods will.thats it.the begotten son fiction was added in to the bible later and isnt in the oldest manuscripts.Thats a fact that is still covered up
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
@ryukenb2k
"phrase son of god in hebrew actually meant."
I also now that there was that meaning of "son of god".
But there is no possibility to hold this meaning as it was understood in the context of Jesus, there's a totally different tone behind it in the NT. You find it just all over the NT that Jesus in this sense is the only son of god. It's independent from the other "son of god"-phrase. That there is another meaning doesn't mean it is the same one.
mawa89g 1 year ago
I see where you r going with this,most fascinating indeed. I was christian myself protestant.And I converted from judaism to christianity ages ago,until I started to do research and realised the inconsistenices and additions and ommissions,As a native hebrew speaker im appalled when I hear a non hebrew speaker saying begotten son when in the oldest manuscripts it was never their,when you have time take a holiday to greece and checkout the codex sinaiticus it rips to pieces the NT
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
@mawa89g NO, wish i could make you see ur wrong, mohamed (peace be upon him) was and is the greatest man ever, islam is a peace religion , we are peacefuill people, i hope u can see that, mohamed (peace be upon him) was never violent
TheSweetMidnight 1 year ago
@TheSweetMidnight
He was NEVER violent?
Shall I give you some tons of relyable Hadith from Bukhari and Muslims which prove different? He raided caravans. He killed all men of a whole tribe. Fought numerous battles. There even are Hadith (Like Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3371) which show that his soldiers were allowed to rape female captives (fitting to Sura 4, 24).
Also, there are a lot of versus in the quran which call for violence.
mawa89g 1 year ago
@mawa89g thats wat ur corrupt bible says. but muslims r against rape.
abdu120379 1 year ago
@abdu120379
"My" bible tells me to love my neigbor, also enemies.
I wrote down the sources (from Muslim and the Quran). Look it up and see yourself if you are right or not.
mawa89g 1 year ago
@mawa89g no way !!! i don't think that's true !! maybe those are fake hadith and verses !!
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
Sura 4:24 is fake? If it is, the Quran looses its claim to be perfect and Islam falls.
It's just a historical fact that he did these things, according to whatever historical Muslim source you go to. If you say "this is fake" you plainly have no basis for what you're saying, while I have numerous Hadiths etc and also verses from the Quran beloning to these sitautions as proof.
I guess you have an idealized picture of Muhammad, based on today's values.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g here's some hadiths and verses from quran
"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)
"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)
‘We have sent you to the entire mankind to give them good tidings, and warn them; but most people do not understand this.’
(Saba’ 34: 28)
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g ‘Never let your enmity for anyone lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. Always be just: that is closest to being God-fearing.’
(al-Ma’idah 5:8)
‘Do you know the one who denies the (Day of) Judgement? It is he who pushes the orphan away, and urges not to feed the needy. Woe, then unto those praying ones, who are heedless of their prayers, who want to be seen and praised, and refuse (to give) even little things in charity.’
(al Ma’un 107: 1-7)
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
I'd also like to ask you why you accept these good things from the Hadith, but not the bad things?
It's not very likely that these people collecting them would have invented anything bad about Muhammad, they loved him.
Or don't you know the passages from Muslim and Bukhari in which he orders to kill apostates, murder people who criticized him, kill unarmed war prisoners, enslave women and children ans so on?
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g how do you know if they really love him, or they just pretend that so you believe them ! give the whole hadiths or verses in which he orders to kill .... ! plz don't you believe whatever !! know that in the quran Allah asks us to love Jesus (pboh) as we love Mohammed (pboh) and respect the Bible as we respect the Quran !! and that's what I do ! i read almost the half of the bible, and i really do respect it
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
"They" happen to be the best islamic Historians like Bukhari and Muslim. They are declared "Sahih" by Muslim scholars, so I guess they are not estimated to be lying, are they?
If you don't know the passages from the Quran were you are commanded to fight, you haven't read much of it. Read Sura 9, for example.
Hadith:
"Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.(...)'" (Bukhari Version 4, Book 52 Number 270)
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g oh ! brother, i admit i'm not even close to religious !! but i trust what in the quran cuz it's right ! i live in peace i read the quran sometimes and i haven't found any violence in it ! it was a hard time back then then, the should've been serious to hold things !! here in morocco we have a churches next to mosques !! so let's leave our differences behind and love each other we're brothers and sisters !! ok ?
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
And if you haven't found any violence in the Quran, you, sorry, haven't read more than ten sentences?
"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
"(...) Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g Don't cut out of the context and read all Ayat about Jihad before claiming that Islam is terrorism !!
killerman471 4 months ago
@killerman471
I'm actually reading the Quran and read a lot of Hadith. I didn't find any context so far which made these things better.
And, I think a passage which - for whatever reason - calls for violence is a sound answer to someone who wrote "there is no violence at all in the quran".
So read what I answered to.
mawa89g 4 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
As far as I know, there are somewhat over 100 verses in the Quran which call for violence against unbelievers, Jews or Christians.
I'm totally for loving each other - that's what my faith tells me - but that means that I'll try to show someone else when he follows a wrong path. Jesus said that no-one will come to the father except through him.
But Islam in so many thing is the opposite of what Jesus taught. His description of false prophets fits perfectly to Muhammad.
mawa89g 6 months ago
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@mawa89g no, the unbelievers in islam are those who don't believe in god at all!! jews and christians do believe in god ! Muhammed (PBUH) has a Jew neighbor they were friends !!
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
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"(...) The Prophet said, "If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" Bukhari V4 B52 N260
"Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." Bukhari V4 B52 Number 73
"Allah's Apostle sent a group of the Ansar to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night and killed him while he was sleeping." Bukhari V 4, B 52, N 265
"The Prophet said, "War is deceit."" Bukhari V4, B52, N269
All from one single Book of Bukhari. There is much, much more.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
"So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims."" Bukhari V5 B59 N362
More precisely, he ordered to execute every "man" from puberty on - so maybe from 13 years? At least 400.
Women and children were enslaved.
In Sahih Muslim Book 8, Hadith 3371 we'd have rape allowed by Muhammad, with female war captives. I already wrote this.
Every single on of these quotes disqualifies him as a role model or good man.
mawa89g 6 months ago
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TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g ok, the campaign of Qurayza and subsequent fate of the Jews of this tribe provided them with reasonable plain to exaggerate and lie on, i'll try to explain what really happened :
When Holy Prophet (PBUH) migrated from Makkah and reached Medina (Yathrib) there were three main Jewish tribes there. Banu Qainuqa, Banu Nadir and Banu Qurayza,
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g soon after the arrival when two main non-Jewish tribes of Medina, namely Aws and Khazraj, had almost universally accepted Islam, the Prophet (PBUH) arranged for a treaty among the inhabitants of Medina including the Jews.
Muslims and Jews were in a mutual defense pact and a special clause was added warning the signees against helping the Quraysh
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g The cruel weather and distance from their homes soon caused consternation in the attacking camps. The leaders of the invaders, in league with the treacherous Jews of Qurayza, made out to finish the task soon.
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g But providence did not really let them have the show. In the nick of the time, a certain recent revert, Nu’aym bin Mas’ud, as a part of the stratagem of war sowed the seeds of discord among the invaders and their under hand supporters, the Jews of Qurayza He convinced the Qurayza that given their sensitive position they should not agree to work with the Quraysh and the allies unless they hand them over some of their important men as a guarantee that they would fight to finish the propht
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g and will not leave them alone to face the Muslims in any case. Thereafter he made the Quraysh to believe that Qurayza were playing a double game and that they would demand some of their finest men as guarantee whom they plan to hand over to Muhammad (PBUH) as token of their fidelity. Both sides gave in to the trick and the could-have-been-nightmare-for-Muslims alliance remained a dream.
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g children and women weren't enslaved "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself" they took them where they could live !
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g so It was the only way out for the Muslims to stay protected from their treachery and evil. Earlier another Jewish tribe, al-Nadir, had been put to exile but they had since then proven more dangerous. Putting Qurayza to exile would only have piled up the troubles and helped creation of a tangible Jewish threat to the state of Medina; therefore it was necessary to put their episode to end.
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
For the Quraiza;
All you wrote doesn't change the fact that Muhammad ordered to execute at least 400 unarmed war prisoners, from about 12-14 years on. Nothing justifies anything like this. Of course women and children were enslaved. Read the Hadiths about it.
I don't think mass executions and slavery is something that a role model for all mankind should do. As he shouldn't raid caravans. Or torture Safiyya's first husband for money.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
About Jesus. If you go to his teachings, you'll see that the Quran and Muhammad's example directly contradicts most of it. Jesus told us to love and forgive everyone, also enemies. A Muslim kills his enemies, as Muhammad showed. Jesus told us to never lie. Bukhari states that Muhammad estimated war "deceit", and what Taquiyya is should be familiar to you. Jesus said we should ony have one wife/husband. Muhammad got unlimited (why exactly..?!), normal MALE Muslims four.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g ok !! about the polygamy, Verse 4:3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."
about lying "No vanity shall they hear therein (in Heaven), nor lying: (Quran, 78:35)"
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
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@mawa89g about the enemies "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." (quran)
so i geuss so far i made (polygamy, lying, enemies) issues clear for you
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g An-Nisa 86:
"When anyone greets you in a courteous manner, let your greetings be better that his- or at least return the same, Allah keeps account of everything."
"Who will loan to Allah a beautiful loan which Allah will increase manifold? Allah alone can decrease and increase wealth, and to Him you shall return" (2:245) ( loan to allah means give poor people what they need)
so brother listen, the quran is the only perfect book on earth please don't reject faith, at least respect it
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@TheSweetMidnight
It's very easy to quote these separate things without mentioning what else is in it.
I guess you know yourself that there are also very bad things in the Quran, like big parts of Sura 9.
Also, alone that the Quran says that Muhammad is a role model is, in combination with the Sunna of Muhammad, the Hadith etc, proof enough that it's not so peaceful.
You have to ignore plainly everything about Muhammad from the Hidschra on if you want to see him peaceful.
mawa89g 6 months ago
@mawa89g he is peaceful !! and a model
TheSweetMidnight 6 months ago
@mawa89g You make me laugh pal,because muhammad(pbuh) didnt let whole tribes be killed.in fact if you read the seal of the nectar,basically the early life of muhammad you will find that muhammad suffered greatly before ever lifted a sword.and the fact he hated fighting is fully documented,but in life sometimes the evil people force even the strictist pascifists hand.proof just checkout the shaolin monks when they were getting slaughtered in china
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
@ryukenb2k That is disingenuous. Mohammed ordered murders and beatings for those who challenged or mocked him ...that is irrefutable and accapted by all major islamic scholars.
tjenk712 1 year ago
One has to go into detail and the situation of the time of Muhammad peace be upon him. Muhammad(pbuh) was very similar to beloved Moses(pbuh) in more ways the one. And Moses(pbuh) ordered his people to fight against injustice and tyranny. So we cant be selective in what we choose of one's charachter to be fair to Allah/God prophets.I can go into lots of detail about the 2 times someone was killed for ridiculing muhammad with poetry.did you bother to check the historical context of given scene
ryukenb2k 1 year ago
we shouldn't say that, both are religions from the same GOD ( ALLAH ) !
TheSweetMidnight 1 year ago