Virgil Thompson said that Cage had no ear, and it seems he didn't except for his own brand of music. Then how did he write 'In a Landscape'. Nice piece.
Every time he speaks, I can't help but to smile with him, you can just feel his love for music travel through time and captivate you completely. Truly the purest musical spirit to have ever existed.
ONE OF HIS LAST INTERVIEW..HE PASSED AWAY IN 92..JOHN CAGE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MUSICIAN AND ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING TRUE AND REALEST MUSICIAN ALIVE OUT HERE IN NY
I love John Cage and I can totally connect to him (: everytime i watch this i appreciate sounds in my daily life more. And it's amazing. <3 *Laughs (:
I agree with the prior post. I think what Cage is pointing at can only be heard by the ear of the inner heart, not necessarily just the physical ear.
Somepeople I think just don't know how to access that. Cage was one of the most important men in the 20th century. Duh. Instead they criticize peoples taste in video..... ?
@ nobodady1: thanks for sharing. So what must one do to understand this unintentionality? it seems people are more drawn to Cage's concepts and statements than his "physical" works...
@timtsang3 I think you are correct. Cage is a composer yet Cage as philospher is more dominant, more followed. I think unintenionality is something natural to music, art, or life of any kind. But Cage was more embracing of this tendency and brought attention to it. So we can apply a discipline of not imposing our intentions on so many things, and can open ourselves to new possibilities. If we chose to apply control after that --- as a separate discipline -- why not?
I ask this because if the system that holds up the space for "no rules" to happen is successful, surely it must require a single rule (that is, "to have no rules") to be enforced -> if one is to perform a Cage piece with his/her own meaning, then is this an intrusion to the system he has set up?
therefore does meaninglessness require intention in order to be successfully carried out, and if so does the intentionality lead to meaning, however vague or concrete?
@SLCTVhearing I believe his art is vulnerable to interpretations he might not approve of. He spoke about an approach to freedom which could enoble the liberated, rather than turn them into utter fools, though he acknowledges the vulnerability to foolishness inherent in promoting certain freedoms. In order to really understand what non-intentionality means in Cage's works we need to go beyond Cage's own statements about it. There is a paradox in intentionally muting intention.
very insightful. John Cage is admirable not only in his philosophies but also in his articulation of them to the public as to invite feedback -whether they be strong, intelligent, ignorant, passionate.
i was drawn to Cage quoting Kant about music and laughter "not having to mean anything, in order to give us deep pleasure".
is this the only way to this deep pleasure that he speaks of?
is the possible lack of meaning also a meaning in itself?
I agree entirely with his vision of purly abstract music although I think profound meaningless joy isen't restricted at all to trafic sounds and indeed I personally find very little joy in it or his music. That is not because I'm looking for destiny knocking at the door in the opening chords of Beethoven's fifth, not that I'm trying to translate abstract subjectivity into objective litral meaning but because everything we do we imbue with inner meaning just not nessiserily litral meaning.
I get the impression that Cage never intended for other people to adopt his philosophies. To him, it seems like noise is what personally gives him "deep pleasure" but he seems to be saying that whatever gives you that "deep pleasure" is just as aesthetically valuable as what he enjoys.
true ingenuity than check out Partch; one last note: i know composition of natural occurrence almost sounds inherently paradoxical, yet we do speak and exist within - at least conceptually - tonal constructs, that is why Partch explored eastern tonalities to such an extent in an attempt to truly capture, temporally, the depth of tonal complexities - regardless both are interesting - yet subjective - i qualm I have with postmodernism - very existential
...compositions. They are both right in their descriptions of the fluidity and perpetual flux of natural tonalities, yet this is a criticism I stand by; Cage simply negated the walls of forced or contrived composition via the exploration of natural reverberations and their spontaneous continuity - thats philosphy, but Partch actually systematically notated the inner tonalities of life, transcribing even conversations and vocal tones for pieces via the exploration of microtones, if you appreciate
it is unfortunate, though I understand the conceptual importance of Cage's music - but I feel for poor Harry Partch, whom amidst this entire advant-garde wave was subjugated by the post-modernist ideals of composers such as Cage, though Partch had been writing, inventing, and creating systems of music outside of convention and reflective of our natural states since the 20s; if you really want to speak of the natural occurrence of sound outside contrived musical systems, than look into Partch's
subjective, yes, and I would like to quote Masami Akita (Merzbow): "if noise is unpleasant sound, then pop music is noise to me". I, myself, enjoy both the sounds of Cage, especially him, and Merzbow. more than any melody-ridden evergreen tune.
What is disturbing or enjoyable is totally subjective."
I think the issue is even more complex than that. Is music merely enjoyable sound? I enjoy listening to seagulls, let's say, yet I can agree that the sounds they make are noises --- and in another sense say they are "music to my ears". Also, we can enjoy disturbances, no? We desire not only easy pleasure but some disturbances, too. Spicy food with a cold chaser?
I'm glad you both can. That actually means you are very clever people, not like Cage, who isn't a fundamental figure in the 20th century, and didn't make any statement...
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Infact, common people don't like the horrible or senseless "works" of this strange clown, that choosed smartly to invent the more bizarre things to avoid to do what he was not able to do: to compose music.
I think that if you "don't like" his music you're actually more naïf than you think. He is laughing at academic composers (such as schoenberg, webern, etc...) and taking a Satie-like posture... doing what he wants, developing his own voice, laughing at people who say he can't compose music. I believe you should check out that there's more than kithchen sounds in Cage's repertoire.
european art is dying... all what they did is turning against them... the future of arts is no longer there...if it wasn't for american composer john cage, they will have been out of bussines a long time ago...
everyone seems to treat cage as a man that only talks bullshit, but EVERYONE take a piece of what he gave to us...
maybe he didnt actually believe what he claimed but just said it to sound controversial and not have to write any music but still earn a living and provoke reaction, that is pretty genius in itself.
I say this because in his life he spoke a lot about taking away his ego from sound but the thing is by saying that your attracting attention to yourself so it just like a intellectual trick.
"dont look at me" but actually " look at me, saying dont look at me"
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Though you make some valid points, the truth is that the "artists" you mention here, no doubt, will be pretty much forgotten in 50 years or so. The real "greats" (classical composers) survive - and only those steeped in tradition (which means "studying at the conservatory") are candidates for immortality. This is a simple historical fact.
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i dont think so..
kurt cobain did not go to the conservatory, he neither had much "music theory" lessons.
the beatles didnt make the most complex music out there. Lot of ppl say that they are basic musicians with no talent.
However, they are (i think) better candidates for immortality than A LOT of classical composers (excluding of course guys like beethoven, mozart, bach, ...)
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This man is dead but his malign influence on art lives on. He set back the progress of twentieth-century music by his amateurish attitude towards music, which seems to have been motivated by frustration over his failure to succeed musically in early life, a fact which Cage enthusiasts want to cover up. But we should not let Cage's personal problems regards his artistic failure to influence the music being written today.
The man may be dead, but his vile anti-artistic ideas need to die too.
your user name is thepukingexperience. do you really expect anyone to seriously consider your opinion on art? on a youtube video? please, just stick to cheetos and dr. phil.
@ThePukingExperience: I don't think this kind of music will ever be played in children's piano recitals, if that's what you're worried about.
Personally, I don't have to like his music to appreciate what he did for art.
Your judgment on a man's desire to cover up his failures may not be far off (we'll never truly know what drove Cage to think about music this way), but you say it like it's fact, which is more vitriolic than anything John Cage has said here.
"NOICE" is some kind of sounds (sounds that you don't like), if music isn't about sound what is MUSIC? Your pathetic face is???
This man had made a huge achievement, some people may not appreciate, thats fine. For those who just denounce and try to insult and criticize him, go read up more. If not just shut up, and stop talking in your closed mined point of view.
@874rt Commonplace utterances? I disagree entirely. These are words from one of the finest musical philosophers of our time. This proves why we, as Cage said, define music separately from sound, and therefore let 'sounds be themselves'.
You can have materials and can use them to express thoughts, emotions, ideas, ect. You can take a pencil and draw. You can take a paint brush and paint. If the human mind is intelligent enough to understand what you're trying to show, then you have succeeded at producing art.
If this man, or anyone, can create a producible thought, then there isn't anything to argue about. Even silence, which can represent nothingness and empty space.
in England "?" where? i leave in England for 4years but i was born in Russia. ho... may be in you wide range you have reggaeton.let me ask u something, who said that all string instruments han to be tune in 440? who created the digitation for the piano as we know it today, here is a clue, he said thet the first finger of bouth hand had to be use more frecuently! if you cant answer this dont answer back and start studing REAL MUSIC!!
Music doesn't really reach people? I hope u not studding music in U.S.A, because what they teach there is..... I don't have words for it, honestly i recomend that you get out of there if you want to be a good musician, and time will tell you that the only music that can relly be call music is "clasiccal" and please, if 4.33 is an artistic statement, take the poor piano away!
have u studdy music?? i have, for many years, i graduated on the Tchaikovsky, Russia, as a pianist. This man dosnt play music!!! and that "composition " 4:33 is an insult! in the other hand, i admire that you support your noise!! keep hearing noise and keep been a mediocre!
john cage is talking about a way to live life in peace and happiness. if you are able to relate to his perspective then i think it's easy to understand why he was interested in the things he was. it's beautiful.
some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception. go read some essays on cage's theories before you denounce what he worked so hard to achieve. if it wasn't for cage there wouldn't be music sampling in the music you're hearing in present day music. Overall, he was/is an important part of not just the avant-garde but historically in general. again, do not disclaim him just because you're confused.
"some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
You mean like the preconception that "some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
"some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
You mean like the preconception that "some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
wtf is he talking about...i agree with the fact sounds are incredible but music is amazing...he needs to combined his love of sound with a passion for music or else how will he be considered a composer? a taxi cab driver might as well be the composer
isnt it a little counterintuitive that they play jazz music after his interveiw, considering that jazz relies on predetermined chord relationships and partly on written melodies, etc?
What this man has done for music is unbelievable!!!He's completely enabled us to never feel like what were doing is "wrong" or "bad". This obsession has caused you to hear nowadays the very thing that is destroying music. Limitations on expression if no expression by the performing artist at all.
Cage professed to offer us music free of his own tastes and preferences. He regarded taste as a negative expression of the ego and its need to control, rather than accept life. However, he still had a sense of taste about how his pieces were to be performed, and did not refrain from offering his preferences on the works of other composers. So I think Cage's work softens the hold of the ego while not eliminating it.
Some people really cannot help having a strong opinion, but those are the people who most often strive to create works of their own. If Debussy hadn't had a strong opinion, he might not have been inclined to have written the masterful Clair de Lune!
I cannot disagree with you there. By the way, I don't accept Cage's negative views regarding taste or control, but I do agree that there is a negative SIDE to over-esteeming one's own taste, as well as one's ability to control accordingly. I prefer to think that Cage's work complicates, or obstructs these things, while not disabling them entirely, though Cage himself, probably would not agree, thinking rather that his simple solution to the problem of ego gratification should suffice.
Frank Zappa is amazing musician, very eclectic and versatile, with a great sence of humor.I believe that his musical legacy is not fully comprehended.
John Cage is a wonderful composer and interesting philosopher. These musical ideas requier musical and spiritual preparation.This is for elite intelectuals.
I wouldn't say its exclusively for 'elite intellectuals', I wouldn't consider myself one, and neither would Cage. But I agree with everything else you said. He's inspired great things in music, I know Frank Zappa (who is my favorite composer) considered him a big influence, among others of course.
I like John Cage, his musical ideas and philosophy are nothing to ridicule at. Music can be so different for different people, just look at different cultures takes on music. He definitely had a unique(compared to most) take on music, and I enjoy appreciating his work. You shouldn't close your mind off to different musical and artistic ideas. It's all subjective anyway.
I am appalled that people would say such horrible, ugly things about John Cage. I knew him personally, and he was never pretentious, trashy, ignorant or uneducated. He was one of the most amazing thinkers of our time and one of the nicest, kindest most humble people on Earth.
The comments made here are completely made without any sense of civility or musicianship.
It is unfair to him, and to art in general, to destroy his memory through the horrible things that have been said about him here.
So I was wondering how I could fool people into thinking I could write music when I can't. I decided that I'd say all noise was music, and in this respect if I just created a bunch of random noise on stage it would be music!
Cage is a fraud who has deceived you and himself. Real musicians know better.
What Cage was contrasting was listening to sound intended as a means of communication versus listening not merely to what is subservient to this purpose, but to all sound. Cage offers these sounds, and the forms of activity we find in these sounds to our ears and says, that these are worth listening to, and we can find pleasure in them. If we listen without making sounds subservient to our preconceptions we are more open minded, and have new materials from which to create our world.
I dislike Cage's work, but "iwanttowatch" makes some valid and intelligent points. Maybe Cage's ideas are relevant to our perception of other more conventional music.
Maybe we can take Cage's ideas and benefit from them whilst ignoring his music if we don't like it.
it doesn't have to be right or wrong cos there's no right or wrong, what cage wanted to say is that it's all about personal perceptions, what to me is beautyful sound to you might be awful crap and viceversa. Cage works are beyond taste. he didn't make this up just to sound "alternative" or "avantgarda" like most people may think, go and check the real meaning of his work 4'33 or his story about the anecoic room. then talk
THe point cage makes is that music is all around us. Now it may not be good music (he will evenadmit that)but when we stop for a moment and observe music is all around us.
Oh my god, i can't believe how many pretenious condescending pricks lie to themselves and say this is music. Look at the vocabulary by some of these douchebags, they try so hard to create this image of themselves, its pathetic. John Cage makes a bunch of sounds, i'm sorry, theres more to music than just that. I don't label people "insane" or "delusional", because i believe people really just have different views on the world. But this guy has got it all wrong.
so, bigman, you say that "i believe people really have different views on the world", but "this guy [Cage] has got it all wrong"? You admit that people have different views, yet you blindly deny someone's view as wrong? That doesn't seem right.
I have yet to hear John Cage produce anything I would consider music. His Prepared piano pieces are random, as the pitches of the piano become unpredictable. His other pieces, such as waterworks, simply consist of him using everyday objects in a pre-prepared order, oh and he occassionally whacks a piano. If you are calling this music, then you really have lost your mind!
Cage's aesthetic is not merely making a bunch of sounds and saying that is OK. It is more subtle than that. He creates/composes situations which ALLOW sounds to exist that his intention or his taste would likely thwart. He is not merely aiming to challenge OUR ears, but his own as well. He is really creating room for something to exist or be heard, or to grow. Many people have found that to be a revolutionary notion.
JAJAJAJAJa Cage ey ey ey I love you CAge, who in the wolrld can ujudge what is out of his understanding. . What nobody wants to says qhat he is. Well he is a mojo rising man. He is a creator of freedom and I think time he is a big man. Peace and Love peole. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh!
So, i've noticed the latest fad on youtube is leaving horrendous comments on John Cage videos and purposely trying to desecrate the work and legacy of one of the most important composers of the twentieth century. Fabulous!
LOL! Well, I don't know what gets some of you guys fired up, but if it's Sousa marches then things are looking pretty bad for the state of manhood in the USA.
Cage was an interesting thinker, but I can't think of a single piece of music by him which would make me rush to get a dildo in my hand. Something by Xenakis, maybe ...
And yet to this day Cages music and thoughts are provoking enough for this whole discussion below. Truly a genius. An artist rather than just a composer.
So here's my question... If Cage believed "music" should be just random sounds that have no meaning, did he receive wages for his work as a composer and performer? Well of course he did... so then why did he get paid for it and not the janitor who is mopping the floor? why does he get the fame? did he feel this was unjust?... that he created nothing and yet was compensated greatly for it?
you can deny meaning to everything if you really want to... and it might make you sound philosophical and wise... this is no different than the people who randomly throw paint on a piece of paper and call it art... that's fine if you think it's art, but you shouldn't receive any compensation for it since it doesn't come from any inner talent... anyone can do it.
Cynical Americans know that in business you can sell anything, even if it's trash, if you promote and advertise it in the right way. Cage knew nothing about music but he understood that if he presented commonplace thoughts in a calm manner it would suggest that he possessed wisdom and authority. So he tried this trick and it brought him the fame he deserved. But this stupid man is dead now and it's time we forgot him and moved on.
Well said. Cage wanted to destroy 'conventional' music out of spiteful bitterness because he never had any success in this field in the 1930s. He was a complete nobody. Yet look at his fame today!
As an American, I have to agree with you on this unfortunate part of the culture. Cage was nothing if not a talented snake oil salesman. When Eastern Philosophy became "popular" in the 1950s American pre-hippie culture, he was right there with his I Ching and the dough started rolling in. Any idiots can be conned, but the New York intelligentsia was especially good at it. Cage was too busy seducing delicious young boys to really compose anything.
Complete bullshit. If you actually knew about Cage, and not some superficial information, you would know about his work ethic, and his knowledge of theory. It's time to forget ignorant notions about art.
These banal platitudes from John Cage wouldn't even be good enough for a viva in a secondary school. Grow up, learn something about proper music, and forget this gummicky American trash.
I'd be genuinely interested in the opinions of real Cage enthusiasts about the video of 4'33" being performed on a bus. You'll find it with a search for 'cage 333' (the number of the bus was apparently 333). It's had more positive comments than any other Cage video. I'm puzzled by the praise being heaped on it.
hey man you is full of SHIT if you think this bolocks is worth watching just shit nothing but shit and more shit i hate you stupid crappy youtube wankers who try to be intellectual about this bolocks this comes straight out the ass you sodding youtubers who watch this cage need this stuffed up yur damned assholes
Read the writings of Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Boulez, Stockhausen & Xenakis first to get an overview of the more 'progressive' aspects of 20th-century art music (of course the 'non-progressive' figures are valuable too) before trying to pass praise about John Cage's schoolboy observations here. Hearing major musicians talk about aesthetics puts Cage's naive comments in perspective.
Perhaps 'music' could be defined as sound that is organised so that it communicates in a way which is controlled (to some extent) by the creator of the organisation, rather than being left entirely to the listener to 'interpret' the sounds.
I cannot see that Cage created 'music' on the same level as, say, Mahler, Stockhausen or a great jazz artist. Surely he just offered ideas which are raw material for other people to work with?
Actually, he said "stuff this up your f****** ass" not "stuff this up your ass". Can't you read? Adjectives are very important when making intelligent comments such as yours.
joggedress: Cage is better. One of Eminem's most famous moments was when he spewed up on stage in front of the camera. But Cage has achieved more because he can make many of his listeners spew too.
Both are kings of puking - men who crap at both ends, as another YouTuber put it.
Hey guys, can't you call a halt to all this shit talk and instructions to shove things "right up your ass"? Now there's even a YouTuber with a username which uses these four words.
Just ignore Cage's stupid comments like anyone else with any sense does. That retarded man is not worth wasting energy getting angry about. And PLEASE cut the bad language, you stupid bastards. Try being polite to each other, you morons.
I think this summarizes his work perfectly: Critics used to point out that 4'33" takes no skill to play and that anyone could have written it. But as Cage pointed out, no one did.
"I Have Nothing To Say, And I Am Saying It." - John Cage
scalassaraprando 1 week ago
is he high ? ;)
myhickle 1 month ago
Virgil Thompson said that Cage had no ear, and it seems he didn't except for his own brand of music. Then how did he write 'In a Landscape'. Nice piece.
SnapshotsMusic 5 months ago
Every time he speaks, I can't help but to smile with him, you can just feel his love for music travel through time and captivate you completely. Truly the purest musical spirit to have ever existed.
andrewmanmusic 6 months ago
he looks damn good for 80 years old
nickantonmusic 6 months ago
ONE OF HIS LAST INTERVIEW..HE PASSED AWAY IN 92..JOHN CAGE WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MUSICIAN AND ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING TRUE AND REALEST MUSICIAN ALIVE OUT HERE IN NY
spainoner 6 months ago
I love John Cage and I can totally connect to him (: everytime i watch this i appreciate sounds in my daily life more. And it's amazing. <3 *Laughs (:
bluebluekitty1803 8 months ago
I agree with the prior post. I think what Cage is pointing at can only be heard by the ear of the inner heart, not necessarily just the physical ear.
Somepeople I think just don't know how to access that. Cage was one of the most important men in the 20th century. Duh. Instead they criticize peoples taste in video..... ?
LotusFire33 10 months ago
@ nobodady1: thanks for sharing. So what must one do to understand this unintentionality? it seems people are more drawn to Cage's concepts and statements than his "physical" works...
timtsang3 10 months ago
@timtsang3 I think you are correct. Cage is a composer yet Cage as philospher is more dominant, more followed. I think unintenionality is something natural to music, art, or life of any kind. But Cage was more embracing of this tendency and brought attention to it. So we can apply a discipline of not imposing our intentions on so many things, and can open ourselves to new possibilities. If we chose to apply control after that --- as a separate discipline -- why not?
nobodady1 9 months ago
(contd)
I ask this because if the system that holds up the space for "no rules" to happen is successful, surely it must require a single rule (that is, "to have no rules") to be enforced -> if one is to perform a Cage piece with his/her own meaning, then is this an intrusion to the system he has set up?
therefore does meaninglessness require intention in order to be successfully carried out, and if so does the intentionality lead to meaning, however vague or concrete?
SLCTVhearing 11 months ago 2
@SLCTVhearing I believe his art is vulnerable to interpretations he might not approve of. He spoke about an approach to freedom which could enoble the liberated, rather than turn them into utter fools, though he acknowledges the vulnerability to foolishness inherent in promoting certain freedoms. In order to really understand what non-intentionality means in Cage's works we need to go beyond Cage's own statements about it. There is a paradox in intentionally muting intention.
nobodady1 10 months ago
very insightful. John Cage is admirable not only in his philosophies but also in his articulation of them to the public as to invite feedback -whether they be strong, intelligent, ignorant, passionate.
i was drawn to Cage quoting Kant about music and laughter "not having to mean anything, in order to give us deep pleasure".
is this the only way to this deep pleasure that he speaks of?
is the possible lack of meaning also a meaning in itself?
SLCTVhearing 11 months ago
I agree entirely with his vision of purly abstract music although I think profound meaningless joy isen't restricted at all to trafic sounds and indeed I personally find very little joy in it or his music. That is not because I'm looking for destiny knocking at the door in the opening chords of Beethoven's fifth, not that I'm trying to translate abstract subjectivity into objective litral meaning but because everything we do we imbue with inner meaning just not nessiserily litral meaning.
EdwardTheBooble 1 year ago
@EdwardTheBooble Thank you, sir, for providing an intelligible, and non-hating critique of his philosophy, and music.
th3odoric 1 year ago
@th3odoric I think the time is ripe for decent criticism of Cage. Mostly what we have had is enthusiasm on the one hand or denunciation on the other.
nobodady1 10 months ago
Anyone know the name of his cat?
mahler151 1 year ago
very cool, he represents the musical postmodernism it 'sounds' like to me..
TTakach999 1 year ago
I love how he says he loves sounds just as they are and you here a car horn blow in the background as if randomness was emphasizing his point!!
CribNotes 1 year ago 2
you = a lonlyyyy man
madelstudio 2 years ago
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mr. cage was one sick puppy.
organman52 2 years ago
3:01
i just love you (genuine representation of what philosopher schoul be and beheave)
EmanueleSbardella 2 years ago 2
explain to me how the HELL this should be what philosopher school should be like.
MrPrezidentCS 2 years ago
why are you so aggressive?
anyway...
you favourited a video named "PeanutButter Jelly Time Remix - Dance Edition"
i don't need to add anything else...
enjoy your vids
EmanueleSbardella 2 years ago 18
no no, please answer the question.
please.
MrPrezidentCS 2 years ago
what do you want, a private lesson?
you schould read before criticize.
let's start from nietszche: "wenn der mensch vor lachen wiehert, uebertrifft er tiere durch seine gemeinheit".
EmanueleSbardella 2 years ago 3
hey, that's a great vid
randomjunglist 2 years ago
One of our greatest composers!
Grubenpony12 2 years ago
is this just intelectual extravagansa or is it something to do beyond my simple mind.
I am poor fellow. I like only beautiful music.
yourdearmirror 2 years ago 3
I get the impression that Cage never intended for other people to adopt his philosophies. To him, it seems like noise is what personally gives him "deep pleasure" but he seems to be saying that whatever gives you that "deep pleasure" is just as aesthetically valuable as what he enjoys.
0PhantomPhan0 2 years ago
thanks for uploading!
mltg32 2 years ago
magnificent
ae52 2 years ago
true ingenuity than check out Partch; one last note: i know composition of natural occurrence almost sounds inherently paradoxical, yet we do speak and exist within - at least conceptually - tonal constructs, that is why Partch explored eastern tonalities to such an extent in an attempt to truly capture, temporally, the depth of tonal complexities - regardless both are interesting - yet subjective - i qualm I have with postmodernism - very existential
Juxtapolice 3 years ago
...compositions. They are both right in their descriptions of the fluidity and perpetual flux of natural tonalities, yet this is a criticism I stand by; Cage simply negated the walls of forced or contrived composition via the exploration of natural reverberations and their spontaneous continuity - thats philosphy, but Partch actually systematically notated the inner tonalities of life, transcribing even conversations and vocal tones for pieces via the exploration of microtones, if you appreciate
Juxtapolice 3 years ago
it is unfortunate, though I understand the conceptual importance of Cage's music - but I feel for poor Harry Partch, whom amidst this entire advant-garde wave was subjugated by the post-modernist ideals of composers such as Cage, though Partch had been writing, inventing, and creating systems of music outside of convention and reflective of our natural states since the 20s; if you really want to speak of the natural occurrence of sound outside contrived musical systems, than look into Partch's
Juxtapolice 3 years ago
Cage is right about music being a "space art" but he goes too far, yes space is essential, but SO ARE THE NOTES!
mrtyreman 3 years ago
I think more people need to watch this a learn something for a change
AlphacoreX 3 years ago 2
Music = Enjoyable sound.
Noise = Disturbing sound.
What is disturbing or enjoyable is totally subjective.
0TaZaR0 3 years ago 3
subjective, yes, and I would like to quote Masami Akita (Merzbow): "if noise is unpleasant sound, then pop music is noise to me". I, myself, enjoy both the sounds of Cage, especially him, and Merzbow. more than any melody-ridden evergreen tune.
vazzeg 2 years ago 3
@0TaZaR0 "Music = Enjoyable sound.
Noise = Disturbing sound.
What is disturbing or enjoyable is totally subjective."
I think the issue is even more complex than that. Is music merely enjoyable sound? I enjoy listening to seagulls, let's say, yet I can agree that the sounds they make are noises --- and in another sense say they are "music to my ears". Also, we can enjoy disturbances, no? We desire not only easy pleasure but some disturbances, too. Spicy food with a cold chaser?
nobodady1 10 months ago
voice dubbed by vincent price
denshiblocks 3 years ago
Perfect!!!
smb12321 3 years ago
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Cage seemed to be unable to make the distinction between 'sound' and 'music'
tylop45 3 years ago
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He seems to be unable even to distinguish noise from sound.
laurion69 3 years ago
I'm glad you both can. That actually means you are very clever people, not like Cage, who isn't a fundamental figure in the 20th century, and didn't make any statement...
alejodoors 3 years ago
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Infact, common people don't like the horrible or senseless "works" of this strange clown, that choosed smartly to invent the more bizarre things to avoid to do what he was not able to do: to compose music.
laurion69 3 years ago
I think that if you "don't like" his music you're actually more naïf than you think. He is laughing at academic composers (such as schoenberg, webern, etc...) and taking a Satie-like posture... doing what he wants, developing his own voice, laughing at people who say he can't compose music. I believe you should check out that there's more than kithchen sounds in Cage's repertoire.
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Gemini120 3 years ago
european art is dying... all what they did is turning against them... the future of arts is no longer there...if it wasn't for american composer john cage, they will have been out of bussines a long time ago...
everyone seems to treat cage as a man that only talks bullshit, but EVERYONE take a piece of what he gave to us...
elquintobeatle00 3 years ago
maybe he didnt actually believe what he claimed but just said it to sound controversial and not have to write any music but still earn a living and provoke reaction, that is pretty genius in itself.
I say this because in his life he spoke a lot about taking away his ego from sound but the thing is by saying that your attracting attention to yourself so it just like a intellectual trick.
"dont look at me" but actually " look at me, saying dont look at me"
heritagesflowline 3 years ago
i don't know why all my replies did that...
joznick1 3 years ago
genius! pure genius!
theobvious87 3 years ago
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Though you make some valid points, the truth is that the "artists" you mention here, no doubt, will be pretty much forgotten in 50 years or so. The real "greats" (classical composers) survive - and only those steeped in tradition (which means "studying at the conservatory") are candidates for immortality. This is a simple historical fact.
lourak 3 years ago
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i dont think so..
kurt cobain did not go to the conservatory, he neither had much "music theory" lessons.
the beatles didnt make the most complex music out there. Lot of ppl say that they are basic musicians with no talent.
However, they are (i think) better candidates for immortality than A LOT of classical composers (excluding of course guys like beethoven, mozart, bach, ...)
fermixx 2 years ago
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This man is dead but his malign influence on art lives on. He set back the progress of twentieth-century music by his amateurish attitude towards music, which seems to have been motivated by frustration over his failure to succeed musically in early life, a fact which Cage enthusiasts want to cover up. But we should not let Cage's personal problems regards his artistic failure to influence the music being written today.
The man may be dead, but his vile anti-artistic ideas need to die too.
ThePukingExperience 3 years ago
your user name is thepukingexperience. do you really expect anyone to seriously consider your opinion on art? on a youtube video? please, just stick to cheetos and dr. phil.
chronodyne 3 years ago
@ThePukingExperience: I don't think this kind of music will ever be played in children's piano recitals, if that's what you're worried about.
Personally, I don't have to like his music to appreciate what he did for art.
Your judgment on a man's desire to cover up his failures may not be far off (we'll never truly know what drove Cage to think about music this way), but you say it like it's fact, which is more vitriolic than anything John Cage has said here.
warrenmusic 3 years ago
maybe not, but i currently have to study him at college and recite a piece of his
anycolouryouwant 3 years ago
wonderful!
so why do you complain?
robertronics 3 years ago
Bent retard.
poiubxw 3 years ago
bollocks
MYNOSEISFULLOFSNOT 3 years ago
Interesting work!
Thanks for share John Cage´s way of feeling sound
neu9 3 years ago
"NOICE" is some kind of sounds (sounds that you don't like), if music isn't about sound what is MUSIC? Your pathetic face is???
This man had made a huge achievement, some people may not appreciate, thats fine. For those who just denounce and try to insult and criticize him, go read up more. If not just shut up, and stop talking in your closed mined point of view.
If only music is classical, you are pathetic!!
Air0ne 3 years ago 2
Bollocks.
yowoz 3 years ago
Shut up and stuff this up your ass
poias7n 3 years ago
You asshole get the hell off YouTube
iuyaq 3 years ago
Commonplaces utterances by an insignificant little man, but treated as words of wisdom by his fanatical admirers.
874rt 3 years ago 4
@874rt Commonplace utterances? I disagree entirely. These are words from one of the finest musical philosophers of our time. This proves why we, as Cage said, define music separately from sound, and therefore let 'sounds be themselves'.
geocham 1 year ago 10
@874rt You're an idiot
RyLay 1 year ago
john cage +2
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davis1337 3 years ago
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this man is crazy why do we revere him,....he's one in million who likes listening to sounds....
chopin8826 3 years ago
this guy freaked me right out once. I swear he ambushed me on the street.
HillDueceua 3 years ago
The way I see music, is as an art form.
You can have materials and can use them to express thoughts, emotions, ideas, ect. You can take a pencil and draw. You can take a paint brush and paint. If the human mind is intelligent enough to understand what you're trying to show, then you have succeeded at producing art.
If this man, or anyone, can create a producible thought, then there isn't anything to argue about. Even silence, which can represent nothingness and empty space.
trippingmetal 3 years ago 3
Zen...
katsumitokus 3 years ago 2
in England "?" where? i leave in England for 4years but i was born in Russia. ho... may be in you wide range you have reggaeton.let me ask u something, who said that all string instruments han to be tune in 440? who created the digitation for the piano as we know it today, here is a clue, he said thet the first finger of bouth hand had to be use more frecuently! if you cant answer this dont answer back and start studing REAL MUSIC!!
8263823 3 years ago
Music doesn't really reach people? I hope u not studding music in U.S.A, because what they teach there is..... I don't have words for it, honestly i recomend that you get out of there if you want to be a good musician, and time will tell you that the only music that can relly be call music is "clasiccal" and please, if 4.33 is an artistic statement, take the poor piano away!
8263823 3 years ago
have u studdy music?? i have, for many years, i graduated on the Tchaikovsky, Russia, as a pianist. This man dosnt play music!!! and that "composition " 4:33 is an insult! in the other hand, i admire that you support your noise!! keep hearing noise and keep been a mediocre!
8263823 3 years ago
john cage is talking about a way to live life in peace and happiness. if you are able to relate to his perspective then i think it's easy to understand why he was interested in the things he was. it's beautiful.
plumgreen 3 years ago 2
Good point, plumgreen. I hope that even those of us who (as I do) reject his music accept other aspects of his philosophy.
StuffTheTories 3 years ago
some people just don't get it. noise is not music!!! if you cant make music because u dont have the talent, please dont make noise!!
8263823 3 years ago
some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception. go read some essays on cage's theories before you denounce what he worked so hard to achieve. if it wasn't for cage there wouldn't be music sampling in the music you're hearing in present day music. Overall, he was/is an important part of not just the avant-garde but historically in general. again, do not disclaim him just because you're confused.
eighteenandancient 3 years ago
"some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
You mean like the preconception that "some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
TuMira85 3 years ago
"some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
You mean like the preconception that "some people just don't get it. they have a biased view of this world and perceive and interact with everything within it in a manner of preconception."
TuMira85 3 years ago
good point, stranger, but no. Cage dealt greatly with eastern thought including Buddhism. Read up on some of that.
eighteenandancient 3 years ago
wtf is he talking about...i agree with the fact sounds are incredible but music is amazing...he needs to combined his love of sound with a passion for music or else how will he be considered a composer? a taxi cab driver might as well be the composer
rohme 3 years ago
"a taxi cab driver might as well be the composer"
that is one of the main points.
composing sound or composing music. makes no different. but music is a part of chords, notes and intervals. but sound is infinite.
dimethylsulfoxyd 3 years ago
Sounds are merely bubbles on the surface of silence - Sounday Amsterdam 1977
vogelmandrie 3 years ago
isnt it a little counterintuitive that they play jazz music after his interveiw, considering that jazz relies on predetermined chord relationships and partly on written melodies, etc?
whatthecello42 3 years ago
He made art without shoving his point of view in anyone's face - no deliberation....
Newnumber27 3 years ago 5
This man opened one big door in Music..
R.I.P John Cage
ScarBarrett 3 years ago 4
This man opened one big door in Music..
R.I.P John Cage
ScarBarrett 3 years ago
I am in complete love with this gentleman.
Somedude2185 3 years ago
he was in love with sound, but not with the common notion of music...a total different thing
having said that, what´s your problem people?
perhaps he was not a great artist, but that is because he was ABOVE the conventional notion of art
and that´s why I admire him so much
he was a great human being
robertronics 3 years ago 4
bollocks
kbslzaza 3 years ago
How profound.I'm sure your comment will go down in history and be taught in Universities like his comments on sound and music.
Ninjaphil24 3 years ago 2
and I'm sure that the world is in a huge decadence because of people like john cage
alexargentino 3 years ago
I'm absolutely convinced that is a better and nicer place.
andresgualdron 3 years ago
and I'm sure that the world is in a huge decadence because of people
robertronics 3 years ago
im sure that thats bollocks. perhaps you should wrap yourself in caravaggios and shit in the bell of a tuba
punchandjudas 3 years ago
aww
gu88766 3 years ago
What this man has done for music is unbelievable!!!He's completely enabled us to never feel like what were doing is "wrong" or "bad". This obsession has caused you to hear nowadays the very thing that is destroying music. Limitations on expression if no expression by the performing artist at all.
stickbandit27 3 years ago 3
Cage professed to offer us music free of his own tastes and preferences. He regarded taste as a negative expression of the ego and its need to control, rather than accept life. However, he still had a sense of taste about how his pieces were to be performed, and did not refrain from offering his preferences on the works of other composers. So I think Cage's work softens the hold of the ego while not eliminating it.
iwanttowatchsomethin 3 years ago
Some people really cannot help having a strong opinion, but those are the people who most often strive to create works of their own. If Debussy hadn't had a strong opinion, he might not have been inclined to have written the masterful Clair de Lune!
revoltz7 3 years ago 2
I cannot disagree with you there. By the way, I don't accept Cage's negative views regarding taste or control, but I do agree that there is a negative SIDE to over-esteeming one's own taste, as well as one's ability to control accordingly. I prefer to think that Cage's work complicates, or obstructs these things, while not disabling them entirely, though Cage himself, probably would not agree, thinking rather that his simple solution to the problem of ego gratification should suffice.
iwanttowatchsomethin 3 years ago
Frank Zappa is amazing musician, very eclectic and versatile, with a great sence of humor.I believe that his musical legacy is not fully comprehended.
perdunchiki 3 years ago
John Cage is a wonderful composer and interesting philosopher. These musical ideas requier musical and spiritual preparation.This is for elite intelectuals.
perdunchiki 3 years ago
I wouldn't say its exclusively for 'elite intellectuals', I wouldn't consider myself one, and neither would Cage. But I agree with everything else you said. He's inspired great things in music, I know Frank Zappa (who is my favorite composer) considered him a big influence, among others of course.
samstagauslicht 3 years ago
I like John Cage, his musical ideas and philosophy are nothing to ridicule at. Music can be so different for different people, just look at different cultures takes on music. He definitely had a unique(compared to most) take on music, and I enjoy appreciating his work. You shouldn't close your mind off to different musical and artistic ideas. It's all subjective anyway.
fooseye 3 years ago
what a beautiful soul! he's such a visionary, a man far ahead of his time. we'll be listening to him for centuries to come.
crowkangi 3 years ago
I am appalled that people would say such horrible, ugly things about John Cage. I knew him personally, and he was never pretentious, trashy, ignorant or uneducated. He was one of the most amazing thinkers of our time and one of the nicest, kindest most humble people on Earth.
The comments made here are completely made without any sense of civility or musicianship.
It is unfair to him, and to art in general, to destroy his memory through the horrible things that have been said about him here.
philomel 3 years ago 5
I'm glad someone who knew Cage has chimed in. Thank you.
iwanttowatchsomethin 3 years ago
ignorant shit
munjob 3 years ago
ugly ass motherfucka at 3:00 LMAO!!!
mota5thee5toxic 4 years ago
you are a tool! born and bred. go listen to Nickelback and leave us to admire genius in peace.
crowkangi 3 years ago
So I was wondering how I could fool people into thinking I could write music when I can't. I decided that I'd say all noise was music, and in this respect if I just created a bunch of random noise on stage it would be music!
Cage is a fraud who has deceived you and himself. Real musicians know better.
revoltz7 4 years ago
So traffic noise doesn't communicate anything, but Mozart's music does? Well, what a discovery! And to have made it so soon too, by the age of 80!
Well done, Johnny ... keep up the impressive intellectual achievements.
8sv 4 years ago 10
What Cage was contrasting was listening to sound intended as a means of communication versus listening not merely to what is subservient to this purpose, but to all sound. Cage offers these sounds, and the forms of activity we find in these sounds to our ears and says, that these are worth listening to, and we can find pleasure in them. If we listen without making sounds subservient to our preconceptions we are more open minded, and have new materials from which to create our world.
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
I dislike Cage's work, but "iwanttowatch" makes some valid and intelligent points. Maybe Cage's ideas are relevant to our perception of other more conventional music.
Maybe we can take Cage's ideas and benefit from them whilst ignoring his music if we don't like it.
RetardedRedHamster 3 years ago
Well said, 8sv. LOL!
MYNOSEISFULLOFSNOT 3 years ago
it doesn't have to be right or wrong cos there's no right or wrong, what cage wanted to say is that it's all about personal perceptions, what to me is beautyful sound to you might be awful crap and viceversa. Cage works are beyond taste. he didn't make this up just to sound "alternative" or "avantgarda" like most people may think, go and check the real meaning of his work 4'33 or his story about the anecoic room. then talk
deadgent 4 years ago 2
THe point cage makes is that music is all around us. Now it may not be good music (he will evenadmit that)but when we stop for a moment and observe music is all around us.
indestructiblebm 4 years ago
Oh my god, i can't believe how many pretenious condescending pricks lie to themselves and say this is music. Look at the vocabulary by some of these douchebags, they try so hard to create this image of themselves, its pathetic. John Cage makes a bunch of sounds, i'm sorry, theres more to music than just that. I don't label people "insane" or "delusional", because i believe people really just have different views on the world. But this guy has got it all wrong.
bigman1225 4 years ago
so, bigman, you say that "i believe people really have different views on the world", but "this guy [Cage] has got it all wrong"? You admit that people have different views, yet you blindly deny someone's view as wrong? That doesn't seem right.
tubafatness 4 years ago
I have yet to hear John Cage produce anything I would consider music. His Prepared piano pieces are random, as the pitches of the piano become unpredictable. His other pieces, such as waterworks, simply consist of him using everyday objects in a pre-prepared order, oh and he occassionally whacks a piano. If you are calling this music, then you really have lost your mind!
revoltz7 4 years ago
how about "Litany for the Whale"?
vazzeg 3 years ago
Cage's aesthetic is not merely making a bunch of sounds and saying that is OK. It is more subtle than that. He creates/composes situations which ALLOW sounds to exist that his intention or his taste would likely thwart. He is not merely aiming to challenge OUR ears, but his own as well. He is really creating room for something to exist or be heard, or to grow. Many people have found that to be a revolutionary notion.
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago 3
Look at your own vocabulary.
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
JAJAJAJAJa Cage ey ey ey I love you CAge, who in the wolrld can ujudge what is out of his understanding. . What nobody wants to says qhat he is. Well he is a mojo rising man. He is a creator of freedom and I think time he is a big man. Peace and Love peole. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh!
Ligonn 4 years ago
So, i've noticed the latest fad on youtube is leaving horrendous comments on John Cage videos and purposely trying to desecrate the work and legacy of one of the most important composers of the twentieth century. Fabulous!
Keep masturbating to Sousa marches, fuckers.
sisterenrodentia 4 years ago
LOL! Well, I don't know what gets some of you guys fired up, but if it's Sousa marches then things are looking pretty bad for the state of manhood in the USA.
Cage was an interesting thinker, but I can't think of a single piece of music by him which would make me rush to get a dildo in my hand. Something by Xenakis, maybe ...
KathrynTheMystic 4 years ago 2
Definitely Xenakis... OH and have you heard Stimmung by Stockhausen mmmm mmmm mmmm
sisterenrodentia 4 years ago
John Cage is as important for compositon aus Marcel Duchamp is for art.
tommyfinke 4 years ago
And yet to this day Cages music and thoughts are provoking enough for this whole discussion below. Truly a genius. An artist rather than just a composer.
notsurebutithinkso 4 years ago 5
John Cage is not a musician, but a philosopher, and a bad one at that.
sammy1423 4 years ago
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khsgvq 4 years ago
So here's my question... If Cage believed "music" should be just random sounds that have no meaning, did he receive wages for his work as a composer and performer? Well of course he did... so then why did he get paid for it and not the janitor who is mopping the floor? why does he get the fame? did he feel this was unjust?... that he created nothing and yet was compensated greatly for it?
shuerm 4 years ago
you can deny meaning to everything if you really want to... and it might make you sound philosophical and wise... this is no different than the people who randomly throw paint on a piece of paper and call it art... that's fine if you think it's art, but you shouldn't receive any compensation for it since it doesn't come from any inner talent... anyone can do it.
shuerm 4 years ago
Cynical Americans know that in business you can sell anything, even if it's trash, if you promote and advertise it in the right way. Cage knew nothing about music but he understood that if he presented commonplace thoughts in a calm manner it would suggest that he possessed wisdom and authority. So he tried this trick and it brought him the fame he deserved. But this stupid man is dead now and it's time we forgot him and moved on.
109suv 4 years ago
Well said. Cage wanted to destroy 'conventional' music out of spiteful bitterness because he never had any success in this field in the 1930s. He was a complete nobody. Yet look at his fame today!
WonderfulWorldOfShit 4 years ago
As an American, I have to agree with you on this unfortunate part of the culture. Cage was nothing if not a talented snake oil salesman. When Eastern Philosophy became "popular" in the 1950s American pre-hippie culture, he was right there with his I Ching and the dough started rolling in. Any idiots can be conned, but the New York intelligentsia was especially good at it. Cage was too busy seducing delicious young boys to really compose anything.
artie6666 4 years ago
Complete bullshit. If you actually knew about Cage, and not some superficial information, you would know about his work ethic, and his knowledge of theory. It's time to forget ignorant notions about art.
Stumpp3 4 years ago
These banal platitudes from John Cage wouldn't even be good enough for a viva in a secondary school. Grow up, learn something about proper music, and forget this gummicky American trash.
bqwbh 4 years ago
bqwbh, you are full of bullshit.
plaplaqh 4 years ago
very nice interview. thanks for sharing! i enjoy what the man represented and created.
ADURG1 4 years ago
I'd be genuinely interested in the opinions of real Cage enthusiasts about the video of 4'33" being performed on a bus. You'll find it with a search for 'cage 333' (the number of the bus was apparently 333). It's had more positive comments than any other Cage video. I'm puzzled by the praise being heaped on it.
fourpinkpotatoes 4 years ago
Yes, I've seen that one. One of the comments has received +110. I think they're all taking it a bit too seriously.
1978197919801981 4 years ago
It's more than that now. Some of the comments for the 'cage bus 333' video have now received approval ratings of +143!!!
khsgvq 4 years ago
Some were +154 last time I looked.
ElliottCarterIsGreat 4 years ago
I've just looked and some of the comments have now reached +188. That seems to be a very popular Cage video.
AsdaWalmartStinks 4 years ago
+207 for the 'cage bus 333' video!
WonderfulWorldOfShit 4 years ago
Actually, it's now over +290 for some of the comments.
6509a 3 years ago
I've been studying him for about an hour, and I can say that from what I perceive he was a genius.
gatesofdelirium 4 years ago
hey man you is full of SHIT if you think this bolocks is worth watching just shit nothing but shit and more shit i hate you stupid crappy youtube wankers who try to be intellectual about this bolocks this comes straight out the ass you sodding youtubers who watch this cage need this stuffed up yur damned assholes
LotsOfVerbalShit 4 years ago
"You is" is not grammatically correct and "bollocks" has a double 'l'. If you're going to post a comment make it legible you stupid git.
BiggestErectionInUSA 4 years ago
Read the writings of Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Boulez, Stockhausen & Xenakis first to get an overview of the more 'progressive' aspects of 20th-century art music (of course the 'non-progressive' figures are valuable too) before trying to pass praise about John Cage's schoolboy observations here. Hearing major musicians talk about aesthetics puts Cage's naive comments in perspective.
stinkingfart 4 years ago
LOL, the cat tried to bite him! i dig him, but his cat didint,lol.
chuckrios1981 4 years ago
Funny seeing all these musicians battling on about Cage when the guy has nothing to do with music.
migraneboy2006 4 years ago
if mr Cage had nothng to do with music...
what is music then?
robertronics 4 years ago
Perhaps 'music' could be defined as sound that is organised so that it communicates in a way which is controlled (to some extent) by the creator of the organisation, rather than being left entirely to the listener to 'interpret' the sounds.
I cannot see that Cage created 'music' on the same level as, say, Mahler, Stockhausen or a great jazz artist. Surely he just offered ideas which are raw material for other people to work with?
TheSpiritOfBuggery 4 years ago
He is an innovator!
gendaiongaku 4 years ago
he. is. the. COOLEST. man. on. earth.
or at least he was. he's the coolest guy in heaven at the moment. ;)
satanicsquirrel01 4 years ago
lol all the negative comments come from narrow minded ignoramuses.
meshuggafreek 4 years ago 6
Bollocks. Stuff this up your fucking ass.
ard780 4 years ago
The quality of the debate gets worse and worse ...
oneandonemakestwo 4 years ago
shut up about the debate you wanker just stuff this up your ass as the man said
zollyowl 4 years ago
Actually, he said "stuff this up your f****** ass" not "stuff this up your ass". Can't you read? Adjectives are very important when making intelligent comments such as yours.
oneandonemakestwo 4 years ago 2
i can´t decide on who i like he best, eminem or john cage. they´re both great composers. composseurs. oui?
joggedress 4 years ago
joggedress: Cage is better. One of Eminem's most famous moments was when he spewed up on stage in front of the camera. But Cage has achieved more because he can make many of his listeners spew too.
Both are kings of puking - men who crap at both ends, as another YouTuber put it.
RightUpYourAss 4 years ago
Hey guys, can't you call a halt to all this shit talk and instructions to shove things "right up your ass"? Now there's even a YouTuber with a username which uses these four words.
Just ignore Cage's stupid comments like anyone else with any sense does. That retarded man is not worth wasting energy getting angry about. And PLEASE cut the bad language, you stupid bastards. Try being polite to each other, you morons.
ApplesTasteNice 4 years ago
you're stubborn
lKR1S 4 years ago
I think this summarizes his work perfectly: Critics used to point out that 4'33" takes no skill to play and that anyone could have written it. But as Cage pointed out, no one did.
JohnXenanca433 4 years ago 4
Actually, two other composers wrote completely silent movements for other compositions nearly 50 years before Cage. He can't even invent silence!
NihilNominis 4 years ago
Really? Who did that? I'm saying this an accusing manner, I'd just like to know.
JohnXenanca433 4 years ago
I'm not*
JohnXenanca433 4 years ago
Erwin Schulhoff and Alphonse Allais (the latter being closest to Cage, as his entire work was silent - Schulhoff had mere one silent movement).