What about ranchers using wolf deterrents that DON"T WORK?? How about if these non native invasive species was not illegally released here we wouldn't have this problem?
@AKArainkit You think it's stupid for ranchers to be upset about losing livestock when they are just going to slaughter it anyways. News flash moron, alot of cattle are not raised for slaughter. The rancher is not paid for all of the calves the cow would have produced, the rancher is not paid for the years of breeding that leads to the bloodline of his cattle that is lost. Most of the time the rancher isn't even paid anything because it is deemed not to be a wolf kill when it is.
@ruj1970 Cattle ranchers get paid when they lose livestock if they can prove that wolves did it. They also get paid per-pound for every animal scent to slaughter.
@AKArainkit If a calf is lost to a wolf and the rancher can prove it he's lucky to get a few hundred dollars for it. However that calf would have grown up to be worth far more than that. You are clearly ignorant about ranching.
@ruj1970 You can't blame the wolf for doing what it's suppose to. You can blame the government for bringing them back, or you could blame the rancher for not doing more to protect said calf. There are several methods that would work, each more expensive as the last, but I've seen first hand that most of them work.
I split that nigga up dawg what a fucking fool their part of the eco system nigga got no respect for it...i dont have respect someone who kills animals for fun, I understand if you want to eat it, but for hatred that's being ignorant i dare someone to say something slick to my comment
@MrShanky7 The only reason I would "say something slick" to your comment is your language. Otherwise, I agree about not having respect for animals. That man doesn't realize what killing wolves for sport does to the ecosystem.
I don't think it fair to blame the wolves for doing what they are suppose to do. Yes, it stink that your his cattle gets eaten by wolves but I don't think it fair to put all the blame on the wolves. the guy saids 'I didn't want them here and why should we be on the brunt of this.' well how do they feel when they were here long b4 humans were. U think the wolves wanted us here or to ve to eat the cattle because there not enough of their food around or less land? both sides r affected.
1300 wolves is nothing compared to the millions of humans in the surrounding states!!! >:( why are cowboys soooo FUCKING popular??? u get films like toy story, so more kids wanna be ranchers, therefore more land is raped and more wolves die!!!
Hey farmer douche, wolves were there first. If you want to put a ranch in wolf territory, then fuckin accept that it's going to be attacked by wolves. It's not rocket science.
@FreedomForOrcas Hey FreedomForOrcas douche, Indians were here first too. That doesn't mean we should all be scared of being scalped you moron. Think before you post. Get out of the city, come deal with the problem, and quit posting your ignorance!
Wolves do not have the intelligence of people, and so do not understand the concept of property and ownership. Your argument is illogical, because Indians are people and not wolves, and so they understand that killing people is wrong. Wolves don't.
@1967rockclimber well actually that comment does have a point to it. If the wolves are destroying livestock then why do the rangers stay there then? It because there not enough room for them to go anywhere else nor are there any place else for the wolves. I'm not saying u r a bad person for protecting ur lively hood or anything like that but I think we shouldn't blame the wolves because there r now 2 much of them, but there way more humans, but I'm not saying we should kill off humans either.
They shoot again your hit. As you get hit you fall over. Your in agony. They start to land there plane! They shot you again your dead! They poke you hard with there gun, they laugh and take pictures of your sead body hanging on the wing of the plane! They cut your legs off and hand them in for money!
Those pups need there mother! Soon they will die along with many others! They need your help! Help us save the last of the wolves before there all gone! Help them today! X
You go out to look for food for the rest of your pack. You see some elk but suddenly, a plane flys low to the ground! You run! Its aiming a big gun at you. He trys to shoot you but misses. He shots again your hit in the back leg your in pain. Your scared and you need to get back to your pups. You get up and run again!
Leave the wolves alone we need them! You kill wolves your killing your self! If you dont want them to eat your cattle then move your cattle some where else! Leave the poor wolves alone! Save our wolves! Save our wolves! Dont kill them save them!
@amberlyrosepaulson Intresting thoughts. the ranchers point of view is he has to protect his cattle and feed his family. Hunting from a plane is a cop out. I have yet to meat a hunter who would try to wound an animal with the first shot. they take pride in a quick clean kill. poke them in the eye to make sure their dead some take a second shot to ensure their dead since they do not want any animal to suffer. the pups will be fed since the pack will look after them.
If they don't have a cull then they hunt to many of the elk and starve. then you have a surge in the elk population and the cycle continues. a cull just prevents the highs and lows.
beutifull story by the way you should do some writing profesionaly. No sarcasm intended
"he lost upwards of $40,000 last month when wolves attacked one of his calves last month" LOL WTF. one calf = $40,000?!?! that's one expensive steak. no wonder rednecks are retarded, get a real job.
Why don't you try to hunt next time with spear and stone like our ancestors once did. Not only would the hunt be more evenly matched, it would be a lot more fun =)
Try to see it from his perspective, most of those ranches have been there for generations and are mostly family owned, that is their way of life and the only life they know. How would you feel if somebody 3,000 miles away, without knowing what living in the Northern Rockies is like for ranchers, signed the paper that brought one of the greatest threats to their livelihood back? I'm all for having wolves in the Rockies, but I try to see both sides to the argument, is that so much to ask of you?
You can't argue with these people, most are probbobly in cities and have never seen a family farm or ranch in the West...just listen to their "simple solutions" of building a fence, making "loud noises", and "leaving the area". They can not even understand that up until a hundred years ago wolves preyed on people and that theres a reason they were hunted almost to extinction.
Wolves are probably the second most successful predators on the planet after us. Although yes they have preyed on humans, the people they have killed are but mere fraction of the wolves we have killed. Humanity just does not tolerate sharing land with anything that opposes it in any way, and that is sad considering what beautiful creatures are at stake.
You fucking jackass, for one, the native wolf is not the Canadian Grey Wolf (Canis Lupus Occidentalis), it is the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf (Canis Lupus Irremotus) which went extinct in the middle of the 20th century. That wolf was about half the size of these introduced wolves and was not nearly the threat to livestock and game populations as the grey wolf. These ranches were here since the middle of the 1800's, the wolves only since 1995. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Petty insults make you comfortable because you know you're wrong and can't win this argument. Simply being a hunter or against the wolves being here has nothing to do with being a hick or not. That being said, I challenge you to open your mind and say something even minutely educated and stop acting like an immature high school slut.
well first off i think its funny how people on here are so serious you oviously were offended but to start name calling over the internet is not something i do so as for high school imaturaty take a look at yourself and as for the wolves if you dont like nature go fuck yourself oya this isnt a girl you fagot . its the big bad wolf
Well with the way you're acting, guy or girl, just another high school slut if you ask me. And let's see, you're not calling names? Take a look two posts down. That's "pussy hick" I see. Yup, came from you. And contradictory to your misplaced beliefs, I love nature, that's why I point out that this NON-NATIVE wolf has no place in the southern portion of North America. And if you think you're a wolf, goddamn I feel sorry for you! Go try to join a pack, see if they accept you. Doubt it.
Actually, wolves have been in that area since the Pleistocene era, about 300,00 years ago. I don't even think humans were in North America that long ago. The balance of nature has always been fine since then until we came into the scene.
Like I said above, wolves have been in that area since the Pleistocene era 300,00 years ago, ice age survivors bro. That span of time dwarves the time that these ranches were there. Humans weren't even a thought then in that area.
You still fail to realize that the ecosystems of North America has vastly changed since then. Since the Pleistocene wolves have evolved into several subspecies across North America and in recent history Occidentalis' range has not fallen below about the 50th parallel, thus rendering them non-native to the lower 48. Not to mention that in the Pleistocene you had mammoths, Glaciel Lake Missoula, and many other species, climates, and features not found today. Nature is dynamic, things change.
You are right. But above the 50th parallel you would have found the more cold adapted arctic wolf because around the 50th parallel at that time you would have found conditions similar to the frozen Canadian tundra. The wolf that we all know would have been further south. But as conditions began to thaw, the arctic wolf moved up north as well as the timber wolf, and the wolves we know today roamed all across North America. Wolves have always been and always will so long as we allow them.
And you are right in that sense, but like I said, the wildlife that now occupy the northern Rockies of the U.S. and the Canadian Grey Wolf are not species that have historically had intersecting ranges recently, that is why the Yellowstone elk herd has dropped from 20,000 to 6,000 animals in only 15 years. The native wolf is extinct, and as tragic is that is, you cannot replace one sub-species with another. The size and hunting behavior of the two different wolves are totally different.
If we were never to intervene, that same wolf would eventually make its way south into the 48 states and it would dominate the same ranges it once did. Obviously that is impossible since we dominate the land, but those groups of scientists wanted to see it so in a small part of untouched land, and now that land has achieved a state of balance it once only knew before any type of settlement by any human (other than the Native Americans of course). Should we kill them again now ?
Kill, relocate to the native range, either option is fine with me and many who think like me. These wolves were introduced to the Rockies which elk did not roam in large numbers until about the 1850's when the western expansion movement pushed them into the mountains, but the still migrated there on their own, they were not deliberately relocated there. The point is that neither elk or wolves should share a range, they are incompatible predator/prey.
I still don't understand why you think that wolves have a restricted home range. They are probably the second most successful predator on the planet after us. If we weren't on this continent at all, wolves would extend all the way from Ellesmere Island in Canada to central Mexico, not only intersecting ranges with elk, but with bison, moose, red deer, and most ungulates in North America. If you have data to show otherwise please show us, but it's clear that without us, wolves would roam free.
I never once said that wolves wouldn't roam throughout the western hemisphere, the point is based on the environment, breeding logistics, and available prey they branch off into different subspecies. Read Goldman's 1937 Wolf Taxonomy Report, it proves every one of these points. All these wolves are still Canis Lupis, but subspecies are variable in many different ways, including size, behavior, and diet.
Even if these wolves were not Canadian Grey Wolves, and happened to be the Rocky Mountain Wolves that went extinct, ranchers would still complain because they are wolves nonetheless, even if they were the Rocky Mountain Wolves that were meant to be there in Yellowstone. It is not the breed of wolf in the wrong area that is the problem, it is wolves period. I sympathize with those who need to make a living, but a do not sympathize with complete intolerance to a lesser creature.
And think about this, why do you think elk not only evolved their white tails with black outlines to confuse predators, their method of running, chin up, advertising their fitness? Bears normally can't run fast enough to catch adults, they rely on hunting calves. Mountain lions prefer to hunt in the woods instead of open plains where elk herds roam. They evolved that way because of wolves, and they certainly hunt elk on open grasslands. The elk needed better ways of surviving.
But one thing I will agree with you is that the wolves are only back in Yellowstone through human intervention, the same human intervention that killed them off hundreds of years ago. So in a way maybe they aren't meant to be there. But what's done is done. And tolerance is something that humans tend to lack, but perhaps to better ourselves a little tolerance of these lesser magnificent creatures wouldn't hurt.
well dusty009motherhen apparently u and all other ppl who hate wolves don't think properly because wolves have a life 2 u know so instead of just shooting them think of another way of dealing with them instead of killing them.
For that rude comment, I'm going to suplex you into the first row, when we meet for our match at the armory. If you read the comment closely, I didn't say that it worked for wolves, it worked for coyotes and, black bears. It might then work for wolves, who knows. You, however, seem to want to jump to conclusions and, are more of a "dumb ass' that I'll ever be.
the wolves don't deserve to be shot and killed it's like your killing your own pet dog so shut up ranchers cause your outnumbered by how many luv the wolves than hate them deal ith life isn;t fair or easy sometimes so live with it save the wolves
Another method works back east and, was introduced to me after watching contrary famer Joel Salatin speak. He uses portable electric fences to fence of an area where the cattle will be grazing for a certain peiod of time. He says it's been successful against coyotes, blackbears and, other predators.
There are several things that may work to protect livestock from wolves: guard dogs with spiked collars like those used in Eurasia. A group of those dogs are bigger than wolves and, quite effective.
In some counrty, they are convincing people to own special trained dogs. The dogs are trained to protect their owner's land from bears. So when ever a bear comes close to the property, the dogs will threaten them and attack if they have to. This way the bears will learn not to go near humans. Why can't we do the same with wolves?
This same situation happens in Africa, ranchers near wildlife parks, lions kill so then they want to kill the lions and sometimes illegally enter the park, in order to deal with the problem, wildlife officers were given the power to shoot any farmer who enters the park. If the farmer fires back in self defence they will be charged with murder.
Its the persons fault for farming there in the first place.
WTF!?!?! they are living animals, not tools or lifeless vermin!!! you people make me sick!!!
they have as much right to be here as humans, we are not the only creatures that matter!!! i could go on ALL day shouting my disgust at you lot!!! (exept wolf lovers :D) @all wolf lovers, thumbs up if u like ma comment
@Godshound never said they were tools, or vermin, you dumb son of a bitch, so you can go fuck yerself cuz i hate dumbass liberal fucks like you. go cry to mommy if this upsets you witch i know it does. go grow a pair, get the testicle fortitude to get a fuckin education. too many wolves are bad for agriculure, and wildlife. if you werent a fuckin city slicker, white collar boy youd know that. come talk to one of us blue collar boys and we'll set you straight one way or another.
@Godshound then why the fuck are you concerned with america? i love this country and i would die for it. if i wanted to know yer opinion about america i would have asked you bitch. all i do is outdoors. i know the havoc that too many predators have on the ecosystem. not good. oh hey guess what?? we kicked yalls asses in the revolution!!!! :)
@HomegrownHick10 ur soo rude. wolves live in England as well as america and it the wolves she was concern about. chill out you don't have to be rude about it.
i aint bein rude i am voicing my opinion very strongly, i like wolves but when they start to destroy property its time to break out the guns and trucks and have some fun! i cant wait to go up to montana and help these blue collar boys out, theyre tryin to make a livin and the wolves are makin that perty damn hard on em, if a wolf or anybody i didnt wnat comes on my property they better be able to out dodge a bullet, good luck to ya, i dont miss. :)
i saw a sign the other day, it read: " PRIVATE PROPERTY VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN, THISS APPLIES TO BOTH PEOPLE AND ANIMALS. " :)
@HomegrownHick10 dude, no need to call people a witch for caring for animals. And keep inmind that the person you are yelling at can either be a girl or a guy. Fyi, both sides r affected by overpopulation or underpopulation. Yes, if there r 2 many wolves then it can be troublesome 2 agriculture & cattle, but that doesn't mean they don't contribute to the ecosystem so if they r underpop then that bad 2. keep in mind we r taking over their land. it not the wolves fault at least not intentionally.
@NoonvaleWolf well said my friend.
moyreyes74 1 month ago
What about ranchers using wolf deterrents that DON"T WORK?? How about if these non native invasive species was not illegally released here we wouldn't have this problem?
ruj1970 1 month ago
What I find funny, is there complaining about an animal killing there livestock, that there going to send to slaughter in a few years.
Ya guys, that makes so much cense -_-
AKArainkit 4 months ago
@AKArainkit Your stupid is showing again.
ruj1970 1 month ago
@ruj1970 How so?
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@AKArainkit You think it's stupid for ranchers to be upset about losing livestock when they are just going to slaughter it anyways. News flash moron, alot of cattle are not raised for slaughter. The rancher is not paid for all of the calves the cow would have produced, the rancher is not paid for the years of breeding that leads to the bloodline of his cattle that is lost. Most of the time the rancher isn't even paid anything because it is deemed not to be a wolf kill when it is.
ruj1970 1 month ago
@ruj1970 You have only verified things I already known and that you are an ignorant SOB and you can call me names. Anything else?
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@AKArainkit Fuck you are stupid.
ruj1970 1 month ago
@ruj1970 Yes, and your a fag.
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@AKArainkit It's "you're" and no I'm very much hetero thank you very much.
ruj1970 1 month ago
@ruj1970 Aren't you going to reply to what I said before, or are we just going to sit here and point out flaws in each other's grammar?
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@ruj1970 Cattle ranchers get paid when they lose livestock if they can prove that wolves did it. They also get paid per-pound for every animal scent to slaughter.
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@AKArainkit If a calf is lost to a wolf and the rancher can prove it he's lucky to get a few hundred dollars for it. However that calf would have grown up to be worth far more than that. You are clearly ignorant about ranching.
ruj1970 1 month ago
@ruj1970 You can't blame the wolf for doing what it's suppose to. You can blame the government for bringing them back, or you could blame the rancher for not doing more to protect said calf. There are several methods that would work, each more expensive as the last, but I've seen first hand that most of them work.
AKArainkit 1 month ago
@AKArainkit Your stupid is showing again.
ruj1970 1 month ago
I split that nigga up dawg what a fucking fool their part of the eco system nigga got no respect for it...i dont have respect someone who kills animals for fun, I understand if you want to eat it, but for hatred that's being ignorant i dare someone to say something slick to my comment
MrShanky7 8 months ago
@MrShanky7 The only reason I would "say something slick" to your comment is your language. Otherwise, I agree about not having respect for animals. That man doesn't realize what killing wolves for sport does to the ecosystem.
totesme14 3 months ago
I don't think it fair to blame the wolves for doing what they are suppose to do. Yes, it stink that your his cattle gets eaten by wolves but I don't think it fair to put all the blame on the wolves. the guy saids 'I didn't want them here and why should we be on the brunt of this.' well how do they feel when they were here long b4 humans were. U think the wolves wanted us here or to ve to eat the cattle because there not enough of their food around or less land? both sides r affected.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
Humans over populated the Usa We should shoot the rRanchers...they took to much of the land..
meldaghost 9 months ago
@meldaghost How about we just shoot you, you ignorant sack of shit?
ruj1970 3 weeks ago
1300 wolves is nothing compared to the millions of humans in the surrounding states!!! >:( why are cowboys soooo FUCKING popular??? u get films like toy story, so more kids wanna be ranchers, therefore more land is raped and more wolves die!!!
Godshound 10 months ago
i cant wait to shoot myself a nice bunch of fur !
HomegrownHick10 1 year ago
good job felton- prove you are a baby to the world. good job buddy.
lycan7hropy1975 1 year ago
Hey farmer douche, wolves were there first. If you want to put a ranch in wolf territory, then fuckin accept that it's going to be attacked by wolves. It's not rocket science.
FreedomForOrcas 1 year ago
@FreedomForOrcas Hey FreedomForOrcas douche, Indians were here first too. That doesn't mean we should all be scared of being scalped you moron. Think before you post. Get out of the city, come deal with the problem, and quit posting your ignorance!
1967rockclimber 1 year ago 4
@1967rockclimber - Are you possibly suggesting that Indians have the intelligence of wolves? Wow, you're really an idiot.
FreedomForOrcas 1 year ago
@FreedomForOrcas You obviously can't think of anything intelligent or compelling to say, so you put words in peoples mouths. Nice going loser.
1967rockclimber 1 year ago 4
@1967rockclimber - No, that's exactly what you said.
Wolves do not have the intelligence of people, and so do not understand the concept of property and ownership. Your argument is illogical, because Indians are people and not wolves, and so they understand that killing people is wrong. Wolves don't.
lol, you fail.
FreedomForOrcas 1 year ago
@1967rockclimber well actually that comment does have a point to it. If the wolves are destroying livestock then why do the rangers stay there then? It because there not enough room for them to go anywhere else nor are there any place else for the wolves. I'm not saying u r a bad person for protecting ur lively hood or anything like that but I think we shouldn't blame the wolves because there r now 2 much of them, but there way more humans, but I'm not saying we should kill off humans either.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
@FreedomForOrcas no u are lolololol
Godshound 10 months ago
"Do you see beauty in these animals?" "No, absolutely not, how could you?"
Well the wolves are way more beautiful than you.
TheBlueRainWolf 1 year ago
They shoot again your hit. As you get hit you fall over. Your in agony. They start to land there plane! They shot you again your dead! They poke you hard with there gun, they laugh and take pictures of your sead body hanging on the wing of the plane! They cut your legs off and hand them in for money!
Those pups need there mother! Soon they will die along with many others! They need your help! Help us save the last of the wolves before there all gone! Help them today! X
amberlyrosepaulson 1 year ago
If you were a wolf mother to four pup,
You go out to look for food for the rest of your pack. You see some elk but suddenly, a plane flys low to the ground! You run! Its aiming a big gun at you. He trys to shoot you but misses. He shots again your hit in the back leg your in pain. Your scared and you need to get back to your pups. You get up and run again!
amberlyrosepaulson 1 year ago
Leave the wolves alone we need them! You kill wolves your killing your self! If you dont want them to eat your cattle then move your cattle some where else! Leave the poor wolves alone! Save our wolves! Save our wolves! Dont kill them save them!
amberlyrosepaulson 1 year ago
@amberlyrosepaulson Intresting thoughts. the ranchers point of view is he has to protect his cattle and feed his family. Hunting from a plane is a cop out. I have yet to meat a hunter who would try to wound an animal with the first shot. they take pride in a quick clean kill. poke them in the eye to make sure their dead some take a second shot to ensure their dead since they do not want any animal to suffer. the pups will be fed since the pack will look after them.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
If they don't have a cull then they hunt to many of the elk and starve. then you have a surge in the elk population and the cycle continues. a cull just prevents the highs and lows.
beutifull story by the way you should do some writing profesionaly. No sarcasm intended
123456789mischief 1 year ago
"he lost upwards of $40,000 last month when wolves attacked one of his calves last month" LOL WTF. one calf = $40,000?!?! that's one expensive steak. no wonder rednecks are retarded, get a real job.
chicom23 2 years ago
pussy hick 40,000 for one calf not likely
sadasasadasa89 2 years ago
i love wolves they look great in my living room... killed two last year in alaska...great hunt can't wait to do it again
20byrd 2 years ago
Why don't you try to hunt next time with spear and stone like our ancestors once did. Not only would the hunt be more evenly matched, it would be a lot more fun =)
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
build a fence or move the cows.
triplestamp1 2 years ago
You can't just build a fence, those are massive beef herds and graze for tens of miles moving as a pack.
amberpoovey 2 years ago
To all you farmer/ranchers who have problems with wolves instead of killing them why dont you take these simple steps.
1. Make shure you have a strong,hard to get through fence.
2. Make load noises and set off bright flashes everyh=night.
3. Get a recording of i hudge wolf pack
otherpacks from tresassing.
So be smart and learn what keeps wolves away and stop killing these beuitiful animals
moonlightwolf370 2 years ago
my poor cows theyre being eaten by wolves well then dont live in the mountains where they belong ,wolves are natural animals to the area not cattle
bdg909 3 years ago
Try to see it from his perspective, most of those ranches have been there for generations and are mostly family owned, that is their way of life and the only life they know. How would you feel if somebody 3,000 miles away, without knowing what living in the Northern Rockies is like for ranchers, signed the paper that brought one of the greatest threats to their livelihood back? I'm all for having wolves in the Rockies, but I try to see both sides to the argument, is that so much to ask of you?
NickLikesToSweepPick 2 years ago
You can't argue with these people, most are probbobly in cities and have never seen a family farm or ranch in the West...just listen to their "simple solutions" of building a fence, making "loud noises", and "leaving the area". They can not even understand that up until a hundred years ago wolves preyed on people and that theres a reason they were hunted almost to extinction.
amberpoovey 2 years ago
Wolves are probably the second most successful predators on the planet after us. Although yes they have preyed on humans, the people they have killed are but mere fraction of the wolves we have killed. Humanity just does not tolerate sharing land with anything that opposes it in any way, and that is sad considering what beautiful creatures are at stake.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
@NickLikesToSweepPick if they have been there for generations the wolves must no be to bad lol quit wining it all they know boo hoo
sadasasadasa89 2 years ago
You fucking jackass, for one, the native wolf is not the Canadian Grey Wolf (Canis Lupus Occidentalis), it is the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf (Canis Lupus Irremotus) which went extinct in the middle of the 20th century. That wolf was about half the size of these introduced wolves and was not nearly the threat to livestock and game populations as the grey wolf. These ranches were here since the middle of the 1800's, the wolves only since 1995. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about
NickLikesToSweepPick 2 years ago
thanks for the history lesson pussy hick!!! go shoot something get drunk and drive your ole truck into a mountain and then have a wolf eat you lol.
sadasasadasa89 2 years ago
Petty insults make you comfortable because you know you're wrong and can't win this argument. Simply being a hunter or against the wolves being here has nothing to do with being a hick or not. That being said, I challenge you to open your mind and say something even minutely educated and stop acting like an immature high school slut.
NickLikesToSweepPick 2 years ago
well first off i think its funny how people on here are so serious you oviously were offended but to start name calling over the internet is not something i do so as for high school imaturaty take a look at yourself and as for the wolves if you dont like nature go fuck yourself oya this isnt a girl you fagot . its the big bad wolf
sadasasadasa89 2 years ago
Well with the way you're acting, guy or girl, just another high school slut if you ask me. And let's see, you're not calling names? Take a look two posts down. That's "pussy hick" I see. Yup, came from you. And contradictory to your misplaced beliefs, I love nature, that's why I point out that this NON-NATIVE wolf has no place in the southern portion of North America. And if you think you're a wolf, goddamn I feel sorry for you! Go try to join a pack, see if they accept you. Doubt it.
NickLikesToSweepPick 2 years ago
Actually, wolves have been in that area since the Pleistocene era, about 300,00 years ago. I don't even think humans were in North America that long ago. The balance of nature has always been fine since then until we came into the scene.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
Like I said above, wolves have been in that area since the Pleistocene era 300,00 years ago, ice age survivors bro. That span of time dwarves the time that these ranches were there. Humans weren't even a thought then in that area.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
You still fail to realize that the ecosystems of North America has vastly changed since then. Since the Pleistocene wolves have evolved into several subspecies across North America and in recent history Occidentalis' range has not fallen below about the 50th parallel, thus rendering them non-native to the lower 48. Not to mention that in the Pleistocene you had mammoths, Glaciel Lake Missoula, and many other species, climates, and features not found today. Nature is dynamic, things change.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
You are right. But above the 50th parallel you would have found the more cold adapted arctic wolf because around the 50th parallel at that time you would have found conditions similar to the frozen Canadian tundra. The wolf that we all know would have been further south. But as conditions began to thaw, the arctic wolf moved up north as well as the timber wolf, and the wolves we know today roamed all across North America. Wolves have always been and always will so long as we allow them.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
And you are right in that sense, but like I said, the wildlife that now occupy the northern Rockies of the U.S. and the Canadian Grey Wolf are not species that have historically had intersecting ranges recently, that is why the Yellowstone elk herd has dropped from 20,000 to 6,000 animals in only 15 years. The native wolf is extinct, and as tragic is that is, you cannot replace one sub-species with another. The size and hunting behavior of the two different wolves are totally different.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
If we were never to intervene, that same wolf would eventually make its way south into the 48 states and it would dominate the same ranges it once did. Obviously that is impossible since we dominate the land, but those groups of scientists wanted to see it so in a small part of untouched land, and now that land has achieved a state of balance it once only knew before any type of settlement by any human (other than the Native Americans of course). Should we kill them again now ?
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
@anduritoco2004
Kill, relocate to the native range, either option is fine with me and many who think like me. These wolves were introduced to the Rockies which elk did not roam in large numbers until about the 1850's when the western expansion movement pushed them into the mountains, but the still migrated there on their own, they were not deliberately relocated there. The point is that neither elk or wolves should share a range, they are incompatible predator/prey.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
I still don't understand why you think that wolves have a restricted home range. They are probably the second most successful predator on the planet after us. If we weren't on this continent at all, wolves would extend all the way from Ellesmere Island in Canada to central Mexico, not only intersecting ranges with elk, but with bison, moose, red deer, and most ungulates in North America. If you have data to show otherwise please show us, but it's clear that without us, wolves would roam free.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
@anduritoco2004
I never once said that wolves wouldn't roam throughout the western hemisphere, the point is based on the environment, breeding logistics, and available prey they branch off into different subspecies. Read Goldman's 1937 Wolf Taxonomy Report, it proves every one of these points. All these wolves are still Canis Lupis, but subspecies are variable in many different ways, including size, behavior, and diet.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
Even if these wolves were not Canadian Grey Wolves, and happened to be the Rocky Mountain Wolves that went extinct, ranchers would still complain because they are wolves nonetheless, even if they were the Rocky Mountain Wolves that were meant to be there in Yellowstone. It is not the breed of wolf in the wrong area that is the problem, it is wolves period. I sympathize with those who need to make a living, but a do not sympathize with complete intolerance to a lesser creature.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
@anduritoco2004
Oh well, this is pointless. I'm pretty sure neither of us is going to change one another's mind. Look's like we're going to agree to disagree.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
Well it was a good debate nonetheless lol
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
@anduritoco2004
Haha, agreed. Cheers.
NickLikesToSweepPick 1 year ago
And think about this, why do you think elk not only evolved their white tails with black outlines to confuse predators, their method of running, chin up, advertising their fitness? Bears normally can't run fast enough to catch adults, they rely on hunting calves. Mountain lions prefer to hunt in the woods instead of open plains where elk herds roam. They evolved that way because of wolves, and they certainly hunt elk on open grasslands. The elk needed better ways of surviving.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
But one thing I will agree with you is that the wolves are only back in Yellowstone through human intervention, the same human intervention that killed them off hundreds of years ago. So in a way maybe they aren't meant to be there. But what's done is done. And tolerance is something that humans tend to lack, but perhaps to better ourselves a little tolerance of these lesser magnificent creatures wouldn't hurt.
anduritoco2004 1 year ago
well dusty009motherhen apparently u and all other ppl who hate wolves don't think properly because wolves have a life 2 u know so instead of just shooting them think of another way of dealing with them instead of killing them.
nobodykh 3 years ago
For that rude comment, I'm going to suplex you into the first row, when we meet for our match at the armory. If you read the comment closely, I didn't say that it worked for wolves, it worked for coyotes and, black bears. It might then work for wolves, who knows. You, however, seem to want to jump to conclusions and, are more of a "dumb ass' that I'll ever be.
MrPotatoesLatkie 3 years ago
the wolves don't deserve to be shot and killed it's like your killing your own pet dog so shut up ranchers cause your outnumbered by how many luv the wolves than hate them deal ith life isn;t fair or easy sometimes so live with it save the wolves
nobodykh 3 years ago
Another method works back east and, was introduced to me after watching contrary famer Joel Salatin speak. He uses portable electric fences to fence of an area where the cattle will be grazing for a certain peiod of time. He says it's been successful against coyotes, blackbears and, other predators.
MrPotatoesLatkie 4 years ago 2
There are several things that may work to protect livestock from wolves: guard dogs with spiked collars like those used in Eurasia. A group of those dogs are bigger than wolves and, quite effective.
MrPotatoesLatkie 4 years ago 2
In some counrty, they are convincing people to own special trained dogs. The dogs are trained to protect their owner's land from bears. So when ever a bear comes close to the property, the dogs will threaten them and attack if they have to. This way the bears will learn not to go near humans. Why can't we do the same with wolves?
GTXXJT 4 years ago 2
This has been done with dogs guarding against wolves.
staringintotheabyss 2 years ago
Some folks think that everything can be solved with a gun.
Sad...
ctxflyer 4 years ago 2
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wolf are just like coyotes: they should all be shot
crackajeff 4 years ago
Wolves! heh
Ranchers are such wusses, cant take a little pressure, then sell your land and ranch some were else.
dapple33 4 years ago 4
@dapple33 id pay good money to see ya say that to a rancher and get your faggetass teeth knocked in you lebieral piece of shit
HomegrownHick10 1 year ago
@HomegrownHick10
This same situation happens in Africa, ranchers near wildlife parks, lions kill so then they want to kill the lions and sometimes illegally enter the park, in order to deal with the problem, wildlife officers were given the power to shoot any farmer who enters the park. If the farmer fires back in self defence they will be charged with murder.
Its the persons fault for farming there in the first place.
Swiftab1e 1 year ago
@HomegrownHick10 fuck off per-leaze!!!
Godshound 10 months ago
@Godshound
yall are re-tarded
i was gonna put in to go get one. too many we need
to get rid of some of them for ranching purposes. there needs to be
a regulation on these. they are not endangered.
HomegrownHick10 10 months ago
@HomegrownHick10
WTF!?!?! they are living animals, not tools or lifeless vermin!!! you people make me sick!!!
they have as much right to be here as humans, we are not the only creatures that matter!!! i could go on ALL day shouting my disgust at you lot!!! (exept wolf lovers :D) @all wolf lovers, thumbs up if u like ma comment
Godshound 10 months ago
@Godshound never said they were tools, or vermin, you dumb son of a bitch, so you can go fuck yerself cuz i hate dumbass liberal fucks like you. go cry to mommy if this upsets you witch i know it does. go grow a pair, get the testicle fortitude to get a fuckin education. too many wolves are bad for agriculure, and wildlife. if you werent a fuckin city slicker, white collar boy youd know that. come talk to one of us blue collar boys and we'll set you straight one way or another.
HomegrownHick10 10 months ago
@HomegrownHick10 im a girl u twat!!! i spend most of my time in the woods or at the park when i walk my dog. AND i live in england!!!
Godshound 10 months ago
@Godshound then why the fuck are you concerned with america? i love this country and i would die for it. if i wanted to know yer opinion about america i would have asked you bitch. all i do is outdoors. i know the havoc that too many predators have on the ecosystem. not good. oh hey guess what?? we kicked yalls asses in the revolution!!!! :)
HomegrownHick10 9 months ago
@HomegrownHick10 ur soo rude. wolves live in England as well as america and it the wolves she was concern about. chill out you don't have to be rude about it.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
@Purplelady0790
i aint bein rude i am voicing my opinion very strongly, i like wolves but when they start to destroy property its time to break out the guns and trucks and have some fun! i cant wait to go up to montana and help these blue collar boys out, theyre tryin to make a livin and the wolves are makin that perty damn hard on em, if a wolf or anybody i didnt wnat comes on my property they better be able to out dodge a bullet, good luck to ya, i dont miss. :)
HomegrownHick10 8 months ago
@HomegrownHick10
i saw a sign the other day, it read: " PRIVATE PROPERTY VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT, SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN, THISS APPLIES TO BOTH PEOPLE AND ANIMALS. " :)
HomegrownHick10 8 months ago
@HomegrownHick10 dude, no need to call people a witch for caring for animals. And keep inmind that the person you are yelling at can either be a girl or a guy. Fyi, both sides r affected by overpopulation or underpopulation. Yes, if there r 2 many wolves then it can be troublesome 2 agriculture & cattle, but that doesn't mean they don't contribute to the ecosystem so if they r underpop then that bad 2. keep in mind we r taking over their land. it not the wolves fault at least not intentionally.
Purplelady0790 8 months ago
@dapple33 id pay good money to see ya say that to a rancher and get your faggetass teeth knocked in you leberal piece of shit
HomegrownHick10 1 year ago
cool!
malabo10 4 years ago