why is it the germans were so ahead of everyone else, they were always great thinkers and visionaries being able to look up and dream of thing that the rest of us would think of ludacris. I mean serrously they had space travle planeed out anti gravity machines invetors or starters of the nuclear bomb, it reallly sucks that we had to go trhough ww2 who knows how ahead we would have been if ww2 would have not happend specially stupid burning of the books by catholics 1000 years ago damn 1000 years
The German people are still the best and brightest, Germany has had to rebuild the entire nation from scratch twice and now they are the only ones that singlehandedly make the Euro strong.
Nazi's made the Apollo rocket, Nazi's made Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen, Nazi's developed mind manipulation.
Germany has been the complete and total hot spot for any frontier science and only by looking at the periodic table of elements and understanding the names should make that clear enough.
You need to read my original post a few more times, Write down! what conclusions you can draw from all statements and have your perceptive abilities checked by the same person that certified me to be a genius, a psychologist.
I don't argue with children that are too foolish to read a text with multiple implications and subtract the proper ones from it thus giving a clear image of what it was I actually said.
@Cityj0hn to say that the german people are the brightest simply based on past achievement is very 1 dimensional
we happen to have a very decent educational system (mostly at an academic level... college education.. not so much).. and careful (often overcareful) politics have secured us a good spot in world economics
however to derive from this that germans are somehow supposed to be naturally more intelligent than other people is just wrong from an evolutionary point of view
Pity I can not yet see the future, I doubt I would judge people by future achievements even if I could.
I'm aware of the educational system and the politics and also do I realize it is not in any way accurate to derive from past achievements that Germans must be genetically inclined to be more intelligent, if that is what you mean.
However like you said, the education is adequate enough to produce a Planck, Heisenberg, etc. Perhaps that's the formula to their success I did not state it.
Pity I can not yet see the future, I doubt I would judge people by future achievements even if I could.
I'm aware of the educational system and the politics and also do I realize it is not in any way accurate to derive from past achievements that Germans must be genetically inclined to be more intelligent, if that is what you mean.
However like you said, the education is adequate enough to produce a Planck, Heisenberg, etc. Perhaps that's the formula to their success I did not state it.
@Cityj0hn Yeah they rebuilt themslevs after WW2 with alot of US foriegn aid didn't they??? name one other nation that would defeat a nation then help rebuild it. Who protected the Germans from Stalin for so many years??? Well I'll agree the Nazi's were responsible for the Apolo rocket if you'll agree that Robert Goddard's 200+ patents made the V-2 program possible which by your reasoning lead to the Apollo rocket.
@Cityj0hn Both the French and especialy the British would disagree with you on your claims about the Euro! If the Euro were that strong then the British would have joined. Fact is very little on the world market is traded in Euros while the pound and the LSE remain a world leader.
Nazi's did not make any of the things you claim. Companies did under a Nazi government. Non of which did anything to help them win. In fact you could almost blame these companies for the Nazis loosing the wars.
The only thing I cannot seem to do on this earth is anticipate the lack in intelligence of people that will eventually cause them to respond in ever more completely unexpected ways.
If Germany quits using the Euro the Euro is no more, if the UK saves themselves by leaving the Euro will still be. The fact that Germany makes it stand doesn't inherently make it strong overall.
@Keh0ol Are you totall ill educated, Zeus used USA Strowager electro/mechanical switching, first used about 1900 by Bell Telephones and later used by everyone. Zeus admits his build was NOT Turing Compliant, therefore lacked the any degree of sophistication, Programming can be shown to be used by a French Weaver 300 years ago and was built out of slats of wood, with the Programme ( code ) punched into the slats.
He was a Wannabe,, copying what others had pioneered.
@Keh0ol it was turing compliant after much modification & hacking in 1998 . Furthermore he had no documentation of his invention ,since it was destroyed in Berlin during an airraid. He rebuilt it from said memory in the early 80's.
@Keh0ol I am Not flaming Zuse, Only the Arsholes that think he brought, anything to the Science of Artificial Intellegence. or believe that the Mechanical switch he made did anything other than entertain.
when the first Commercial Computers were being built post 1945, nothing he built was ever used.
Yet the first 2 Computers used for Commercial use were built in the UK,r Lyons Co & M&S.
Next you will be stating that Aspirin was invented in Germany !!
@keirfree artificial intelligence? what the hell are you talking about?
zuse developed the z3 to help with mechanics calculations and that's what it did
the z4 was built for commercial use in 45 (1 year before the 3rd ever turing complete computer followed: the eniac) and sold in 50 to the institute of technology in zurich
the only computer that beat the z4 to being the first computer ever sold was a model that wasn't even working properly
A one-quarter scale functional model of the Z3 was built at the Free University in Berlin. It was built using the original technical documents, and uses two large modern printed circuit boards and miniature cube relays. The whole machine fits on a tabletop and even has LEDs to show the function of the data lines and the state of each individual memory cell.
And google Charles Babbage, its last computer is considered as a forerunner of the computer. Now. George Stibitz (K-Modell), Howard Hathaway Aiken and Grace Hopper (Mark I), John Atanasoff and Clifford Berry (Atanasoff-Berry-Computer) and Colossus Computers. Many people are computer pioneers!
@Keh0ol No it needed much hacking and modification and if done in 1998 that means some more modern technology. Big difference using electromechanical ,i.e. say telophone type relays and being electronic as per ENIAC.
all it took was a couple tricks in the programming of the code strip
no hacking or modifications involved as the Z3 had to be programmed anyways before usage
the tape had to be much longer tho
"Big difference using electromechanical [...] and being electronic as per ENIAC"
only difference that makes is calculation speed.. it doesn't change anything about functionality... the fuses also tended to burn out every now and then resulting in a lengthy reboot... neither system was perfect
@Keh0ol The machine was very unreliable. There was far more to it then what you say An elctro-mechanical computer is much,much harder to be made turing compliant as compared to an electronic machine as per ENIAC. In fact no documentation actually exists that he made it in 1941 ,he rebuilt the machine from memory in the early 80's ,that fact alone casts doubt about wether or not he was the first.
@Keh0ol Raul Rojas stated that "We can therefore say that from an abstract theoretical perspective ,the computing model of the Z3 is equalivalent to the computing model of today's computers. from a practical perspective ,and in the way it was programmed ,it was not equalivilent to modern computers." In other words The use of loop you mentioned produced work that wasn't needed,hardly a contional type operation that others like ENIAC performed. Also electronics machines are better at this.
@Keh0ol Another thing I'm not trying to take anything away from Konrad Zuse ,he was a genius but computers just like the A-Bomb development cannot be attributed to one person . Did Henry Ford invent the automobile??? Did the Wright brothers really invent the airplane??? Besides electro-mechanical type were a dead end being electronic ,binary and turing compliant were the wave of the future.
@ickysdad i'm not saying that electro mechanical was the way of the future i'm saying that the Z3 was the first machine that could be considered an early computer
@Keh0ol Well maybe we can just leave it at that. IMHO it's maybe more of a question what one calls a computer. I just feel a electro-mechanical machine falls short of what one calls a computer further some WW1 naval rangefinders were in essence mechanical "computers" . Just MHO though. We probably just have to disagree.
looks very advanced hardware! too bad this guy was related to war I don't like wars. Ironically he needed a very peaceful place to work with this kind of creation, doesn't he? Very admirable and very good job from the mister that relates what he knows and understand of this part of history. thanks!
During the years from 1933 to 1945 Germany was ruled by a dictator called Adolf Hitler, whose party was called NSDAP ("National-sozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands= national socialistic workers' party").
Under his rule Germany started WWII and killed more than 10mio. people in concentration camps (6 mio. being jews from all Europe).
The party members of Hitler's party are usually called "Nazis".
From what I've read the Nazis were not very interested in computers and Zuse had to actually steal raw materials towards the end of the war to keep his research going.
He worked for the Henschel aircraft factory in WWII. He build his first computer alone, without any support of the Nazi Goverment or firms, thats right.
Well, the technology from the television was coming about 1924 and from that design could be related to the computer... That germans made the headstart into unlocking great technology isn't that strange...
But to say, to be grateful for the WO1 and 2, if there wasn't any, the scientists wouldn't had invented it?
There wouldn't be any computers, no Bill Gates Scammage, no youtube, nothing...
But TV as we know it would be different too, because TV now is also controlled by computers...
Programming language of it was actually a "film" with holes ... don't really know how ,,, but the holes was representing a number i binary base...
He also worked for USA after a WWII but no one really was hearing to him ... because they would not accept the computer working in binary ... but after a time ... they accepted and still wouldn't that this man will enter the history ...
Konrad 'Tsus'
buddhafollower 4 months ago
Werner von Braun was a true Nazi. But he ended up a hero in the US.
merasanam 7 months ago 4
@merasanam but he was still german ;) GERMAN FTW!
NussAnNuss 6 days ago
the electronic/mechanical distinction is irrelevant because transistors are merely switches, just like relays were
TheKlink 9 months ago
why is it the germans were so ahead of everyone else, they were always great thinkers and visionaries being able to look up and dream of thing that the rest of us would think of ludacris. I mean serrously they had space travle planeed out anti gravity machines invetors or starters of the nuclear bomb, it reallly sucks that we had to go trhough ww2 who knows how ahead we would have been if ww2 would have not happend specially stupid burning of the books by catholics 1000 years ago damn 1000 years
skimowhite586 1 year ago
@skimowhite586
couldnt have been so much ahead if they lost the war. Turing anyone?
camillo1234 1 year ago
@skimowhite586
The German people are still the best and brightest, Germany has had to rebuild the entire nation from scratch twice and now they are the only ones that singlehandedly make the Euro strong.
Nazi's made the Apollo rocket, Nazi's made Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen, Nazi's developed mind manipulation.
Germany has been the complete and total hot spot for any frontier science and only by looking at the periodic table of elements and understanding the names should make that clear enough.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
@Cityj0hn Nazis have nothing to do with that, when they took the power germany had already brillant engineers
yaglourt 1 year ago
@yaglourt
I know that, my text also CLEARLY does not state anything of the kind.
Congratulations though with your amazing ability to completely ignore logic and draw some conflicting parallels just for the sake of argument.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
@Cityj0hn i quote you : "Nazi's made the Apollo rocket, Nazi's made Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen, Nazi's developed mind manipulation."
so you still didn't state anything of the kind ?
yaglourt 1 year ago
@yaglourt
You need to read my original post a few more times, Write down! what conclusions you can draw from all statements and have your perceptive abilities checked by the same person that certified me to be a genius, a psychologist.
I don't argue with children that are too foolish to read a text with multiple implications and subtract the proper ones from it thus giving a clear image of what it was I actually said.
You're obsession with Nazism is not my concern.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
@Cityj0hn to say that the german people are the brightest simply based on past achievement is very 1 dimensional
we happen to have a very decent educational system (mostly at an academic level... college education.. not so much).. and careful (often overcareful) politics have secured us a good spot in world economics
however to derive from this that germans are somehow supposed to be naturally more intelligent than other people is just wrong from an evolutionary point of view
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol
Pity I can not yet see the future, I doubt I would judge people by future achievements even if I could.
I'm aware of the educational system and the politics and also do I realize it is not in any way accurate to derive from past achievements that Germans must be genetically inclined to be more intelligent, if that is what you mean.
However like you said, the education is adequate enough to produce a Planck, Heisenberg, etc. Perhaps that's the formula to their success I did not state it.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
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@Keh0ol
Pity I can not yet see the future, I doubt I would judge people by future achievements even if I could.
I'm aware of the educational system and the politics and also do I realize it is not in any way accurate to derive from past achievements that Germans must be genetically inclined to be more intelligent, if that is what you mean.
However like you said, the education is adequate enough to produce a Planck, Heisenberg, etc. Perhaps that's the formula to their success I did not state it.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
@Cityj0hn
so i was fool to try to argue with a troll
i know how trolls like you work, by ex you just used the good old mirror technic : YOU have false logic and are obsessed by nazism, not me
the good response is simply to ignore the trolls
some trolls may have serious psychological disorders, are you aware of that ?
(don't bother to answer because i won't bother to read you, I "Do not feed the trolls")
yaglourt 1 year ago
@yaglourt
And you are an individual that cannot even take his own advice and still feed someone whom you apparently believe should not be fed.
By resorting to name calling like that you have proven your capacity.
Cityj0hn 1 year ago
@Cityj0hn and they made the V-2's using over 200+ patents from the American Robert Goddard.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@Cityj0hn Yeah they rebuilt themslevs after WW2 with alot of US foriegn aid didn't they??? name one other nation that would defeat a nation then help rebuild it. Who protected the Germans from Stalin for so many years??? Well I'll agree the Nazi's were responsible for the Apolo rocket if you'll agree that Robert Goddard's 200+ patents made the V-2 program possible which by your reasoning lead to the Apollo rocket.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@ickysdad
No that's fine, I don't need you to agree with me thanks for the offer though.
Cityj0hn 10 months ago
@Cityj0hn Both the French and especialy the British would disagree with you on your claims about the Euro! If the Euro were that strong then the British would have joined. Fact is very little on the world market is traded in Euros while the pound and the LSE remain a world leader.
Nazi's did not make any of the things you claim. Companies did under a Nazi government. Non of which did anything to help them win. In fact you could almost blame these companies for the Nazis loosing the wars.
SlayerOfLies 9 months ago
@SlayerOfLies
The only thing I cannot seem to do on this earth is anticipate the lack in intelligence of people that will eventually cause them to respond in ever more completely unexpected ways.
If Germany quits using the Euro the Euro is no more, if the UK saves themselves by leaving the Euro will still be. The fact that Germany makes it stand doesn't inherently make it strong overall.
Practice your basic comprehension of relations!
Cityj0hn 9 months ago
IBM punch systems were used by the Gestapo to keep track of German citizens.
chloe7829 1 year ago
What in fact did this so Called Pioneer Pioneer ??
a lot of Spiel about Politics, where is the Science/ Engineering ! ?? seems he made little,,,,,,,,, or am I missing some thing
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree creating the first digital programmable computer? i thought the video made that pretty clear
he definitely was a genius
i never understood why people claim he was a nazi scientist tho
yes he did receive funding from the regime but only because he realized that without their support his endeavour would fail
he never was a member of the party either and never advanced any nazi ideology
this is like saying any current scientists are scientists of their respective ruling party
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol Are you totall ill educated, Zeus used USA Strowager electro/mechanical switching, first used about 1900 by Bell Telephones and later used by everyone. Zeus admits his build was NOT Turing Compliant, therefore lacked the any degree of sophistication, Programming can be shown to be used by a French Weaver 300 years ago and was built out of slats of wood, with the Programme ( code ) punched into the slats.
He was a Wannabe,, copying what others had pioneered.
10 fingers is a calculator
keirfree 1 year ago
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Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol it was turing compliant after much modification & hacking in 1998 . Furthermore he had no documentation of his invention ,since it was destroyed in Berlin during an airraid. He rebuilt it from said memory in the early 80's.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@keirfree also i'm not sure the greek father of gods would have known what to do with a computer
if you're gonna flame blindly about someone at least learn to spell their names correctly
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol I am Not flaming Zuse, Only the Arsholes that think he brought, anything to the Science of Artificial Intellegence. or believe that the Mechanical switch he made did anything other than entertain.
when the first Commercial Computers were being built post 1945, nothing he built was ever used.
Yet the first 2 Computers used for Commercial use were built in the UK,r Lyons Co & M&S.
Next you will be stating that Aspirin was invented in Germany !!
Yet its use can be dated as far back2000 y
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree artificial intelligence? what the hell are you talking about?
zuse developed the z3 to help with mechanics calculations and that's what it did
the z4 was built for commercial use in 45 (1 year before the 3rd ever turing complete computer followed: the eniac) and sold in 50 to the institute of technology in zurich
the only computer that beat the z4 to being the first computer ever sold was a model that wasn't even working properly
the EDSAC was built in 49
Keh0ol 1 year ago
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@Keh0ol the british fag with delusions of grandeur is here hey !! guys ignore the douchebag
hey bitch the Z3 was smarter than you
ericssson 1 year ago
@Keh0ol but the Z4 wasn't a electronic computer but electro-mechanical.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@keirfree "Next you will be stating that Aspirin was invented in Germany !!" did you really just stoop that low?
Keh0ol 1 year ago
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@Keh0ol The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge and that the british have it up their ass
keirfre
ericssson 1 year ago
@ericssson
right.. you don't like tommies
your first comment already made that clear ;)
Keh0ol 1 year ago
A one-quarter scale functional model of the Z3 was built at the Free University in Berlin. It was built using the original technical documents, and uses two large modern printed circuit boards and miniature cube relays. The whole machine fits on a tabletop and even has LEDs to show the function of the data lines and the state of each individual memory cell.
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keirfree 1 year ago
And google Charles Babbage, its last computer is considered as a forerunner of the computer. Now. George Stibitz (K-Modell), Howard Hathaway Aiken and Grace Hopper (Mark I), John Atanasoff and Clifford Berry (Atanasoff-Berry-Computer) and Colossus Computers. Many people are computer pioneers!
Starfighterking 1 year ago
@Starfighterking yes but this happened to be the first digital and programmable computer (not just a forerunner but an actual computer)
Keh0ol 1 year ago
@Keh0ol but not turing compliant
ickysdad 10 months ago
@ickysdad um yes it was turing *complete*
just because they didn't realize it at that time doesn't make it any less true
it needed no modification for that either
only a relatively simple trick
and i don't see what being electro-mechanical instead of electronic has to do with the matter at all
Keh0ol 10 months ago
@Keh0ol No it needed much hacking and modification and if done in 1998 that means some more modern technology. Big difference using electromechanical ,i.e. say telophone type relays and being electronic as per ENIAC.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@ickysdad
all it took was a couple tricks in the programming of the code strip
no hacking or modifications involved as the Z3 had to be programmed anyways before usage
the tape had to be much longer tho
"Big difference using electromechanical [...] and being electronic as per ENIAC"
only difference that makes is calculation speed.. it doesn't change anything about functionality... the fuses also tended to burn out every now and then resulting in a lengthy reboot... neither system was perfect
Keh0ol 10 months ago
@Keh0ol The machine was very unreliable. There was far more to it then what you say An elctro-mechanical computer is much,much harder to be made turing compliant as compared to an electronic machine as per ENIAC. In fact no documentation actually exists that he made it in 1941 ,he rebuilt the machine from memory in the early 80's ,that fact alone casts doubt about wether or not he was the first.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@Keh0ol Raul Rojas stated that "We can therefore say that from an abstract theoretical perspective ,the computing model of the Z3 is equalivalent to the computing model of today's computers. from a practical perspective ,and in the way it was programmed ,it was not equalivilent to modern computers." In other words The use of loop you mentioned produced work that wasn't needed,hardly a contional type operation that others like ENIAC performed. Also electronics machines are better at this.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@Keh0ol Another thing I'm not trying to take anything away from Konrad Zuse ,he was a genius but computers just like the A-Bomb development cannot be attributed to one person . Did Henry Ford invent the automobile??? Did the Wright brothers really invent the airplane??? Besides electro-mechanical type were a dead end being electronic ,binary and turing compliant were the wave of the future.
ickysdad 10 months ago
@ickysdad i'm not saying that electro mechanical was the way of the future i'm saying that the Z3 was the first machine that could be considered an early computer
nothing more
Keh0ol 10 months ago
@Keh0ol Well maybe we can just leave it at that. IMHO it's maybe more of a question what one calls a computer. I just feel a electro-mechanical machine falls short of what one calls a computer further some WW1 naval rangefinders were in essence mechanical "computers" . Just MHO though. We probably just have to disagree.
ickysdad 10 months ago
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Starfighterking 1 year ago
the americans even deny Menfred von Ardennes first Television device (after the Nipkow Disk)
CapitanoGUC 1 year ago
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@CapitanoGUC
because americans are ignorant cunts
Zuse built the first progammable computer
it´s a fact
but who would give a first fuck about what americans think?
sideburnbasher 1 year ago
@sideburnbasher I'm American and your ignorant to call ALL Americans ignorant cunts you dumb fuck
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Happy Birthday
Konrad Zuse
The genius from Z1-THE FIRST COMPUTER
TheTarantula2010 1 year ago
Wow, a 5Hz computer. Amazing!
xxmago 1 year ago
looks very advanced hardware! too bad this guy was related to war I don't like wars. Ironically he needed a very peaceful place to work with this kind of creation, doesn't he? Very admirable and very good job from the mister that relates what he knows and understand of this part of history. thanks!
raulrrojas 1 year ago
wat is Nazi ?
schnellgesehen 2 years ago
@schnellgesehen men that wear lots of leather and walk funny
crowman131 1 year ago
@crowman131 Leatherhose is Germany !
schnellgesehen 1 year ago
@crowman131
schnellgesehen 1 year ago
You don't know that?
Well...
During the years from 1933 to 1945 Germany was ruled by a dictator called Adolf Hitler, whose party was called NSDAP ("National-sozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands= national socialistic workers' party").
Under his rule Germany started WWII and killed more than 10mio. people in concentration camps (6 mio. being jews from all Europe).
The party members of Hitler's party are usually called "Nazis".
NKA23 1 year ago
@NKA23 This video is about computers, stick to that and dont post your crap about the past here. Zuse was a civil engineer.
frohman101 1 year ago
I just answered to somebody who asked :
"What is Nazi?"
NKA23 1 year ago
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@NKA23 Sorry, Konrad Zuse is just some hero and I don't like him being mentioned with these guys ;)
frohman101 1 year ago
the first binary computer
Dubconferencedotorg 2 years ago
Was he really working for the Nazis?
From what I've read the Nazis were not very interested in computers and Zuse had to actually steal raw materials towards the end of the war to keep his research going.
Molo9000 2 years ago
He worked for the Henschel aircraft factory in WWII. He build his first computer alone, without any support of the Nazi Goverment or firms, thats right.
Ghostdogcs 2 years ago 3
Well, the technology from the television was coming about 1924 and from that design could be related to the computer... That germans made the headstart into unlocking great technology isn't that strange...
But to say, to be grateful for the WO1 and 2, if there wasn't any, the scientists wouldn't had invented it?
There wouldn't be any computers, no Bill Gates Scammage, no youtube, nothing...
But TV as we know it would be different too, because TV now is also controlled by computers...
Vantazzy 2 years ago
the first digital computer of the world according to wikipedia.
Antillektuell 3 years ago
Association will f*ck a man up.
Zuse had a brilliant mind but
he worked with the Reich. Damn...
MORALE OF THE STORY?
kurizzos 3 years ago
Yes.
1gooddevil 3 years ago
The commentator is not very precise. You don't see how it worked. You don't hear about the programming language he invented back then.
Hey, you don't even see an actual Z3.
wrtlpfmpf 3 years ago
Programming language of it was actually a "film" with holes ... don't really know how ,,, but the holes was representing a number i binary base...
He also worked for USA after a WWII but no one really was hearing to him ... because they would not accept the computer working in binary ... but after a time ... they accepted and still wouldn't that this man will enter the history ...
darkgreensoldier666 2 years ago
first!
:p
bilarnotti 3 years ago