So what you're saying is that modern genocide is terrible, but ancient genocide is alright and justifiable?
Moreover, talking over such ancient genocides is not done because we have a grudge, it is done because to this day, there are way too many people saying that this IS acceptable. And if you agree with an ancient genocide, there must be circumstances in the present where you would agree again. Such complacency and dogmatic blindness is terrifying, and has to be addressed.
Ha, in my sidebar this video was recommended with the title "A Challenge to Christians: Stop" (with the rest of the title cut off) Your points here are certainly good but I would kind of like to see *that* video too ;)
AHHH ZINNIA! I agree with you wholeheartedly, except on one bit, you used the biblical term "mankind" to refer to the entire human race (which doesn't consist of just men) unless you were LITERALLY referring to just men and the wars that were cause. Then, ok. I'll savvy that.
But the term "mankind" in general is just a bruise to our language that, once again, religion has truly caused under completely ignorance (and prejudice.)
@sihskaiekkcm genocide isn't justifiable just because god supposedly did it If your god exists than why can his actions supersede the morals that he supposedly created for us?
It would indeed be interesting to see how much the speaker condemns the persecution of Christians around the world, or if he has ever condemned the execution of Christians for their faith...yet this is a truly morally repugnant activity...yet has he ever condemned it or made actively protested against it?? If not, why not? Could it be, that in his zeal to fight God and the Bible, his morality only exists to try to "prove his own agenda?" ....I wonder??
So the sacrifice of a relatively minute number of Amalekites by the standards of today's wars, is unacceptable to the speaker even if it may mean the saving of billions of people. This is because the speaker's consideration has not extended beyond the microcosm and his own experiential view of his own world. The obsession with similar popularist "moralities" in the the luxury of western societies, often ignore immoral human suffering in the under-developed world.
I have little doubt that the same speaker most likely finds a "moral objection" to the fact that Christ voluntarily offered himself as a sacrifice for the speaker's own sinfulness, since the speaker's morality is confined to a microcosm and is unable to extend to the macro-objective that God plans to save as many people from their own sin as He can.
There is no need for Christians or anyone who believes the truth of scripture, to "condemn" the instructions of God, or the history of ancient Israel, in the Bible. That is frankly as ridiculous as asking people to condemn the attacking of the Nazis in WWII, because bloodshed offends our subjective morality....and here is where someone like the speaker will find himself up to his neck in perplexity, because his own subjective moral feelings cannot be the guide to a greater moral outcome.
Further, he doesn't seem to realise that his own subjective feeling of morality is not relevant to the history of man's actions and wars. Neither are necessarily today's international conventions universally applicable to ancient history.
This is what the speaker appears to be trying to do: use his own subjective feeling of morality to measure God's instructions to ancient Israelites! and of course, it doesn't work. Morality cannot be applied to God. It can only be a measure applied to man by God. Man has no moral standard that he can safely apply without the absolute morality of the Word of God.
@faithbyloving if god never is wrong--as per statements of christians--then how can god demanding mass murder be right or moral? there are moral people all over the world who have never heard of or read the bible. in fact Zinnia does have a right to make moral judgements and the judgements in this video are superior to those of the god of the ot. if your god is the god for all time then yes we have a right to judge the actions in the bible. the ot god is not great he is evil
@garudagal23 Friend, there are NO "moral people". They do not exist. Every person has thoughts, speech and actions. These thoughts, speech and actions may each have a moral value within the context of their occurence. These events are in their hundreds each day. Some may be judged "righteous" and some "unrighteous", but each is judged so by the standard of Christ, NOT by the standards of men.
@garudagal23 The standard of Christ is FIRST: Obedience and then Faith. This is the morality of "righteousness". The morality of "unrighteousness" is the opposite and is the fruit of FIRST: Disobedience and then as a Result of Disobedience, Unbelief (Atheism). Anyone can "make a moral judgement", but it is either errnoeus or incomplete unless measured by the Standard of Christ (as already described).
@garudagal23 Zinnia can make a moral judgement and so can you, but unless it is measured by the Standard of Christ, which is an absolute value, Zinnia's judgement will have limited or no intrinsic value, because the judgements of men are inherently flawed. The judgements of Zinnia and yourself are not only inferior, but sinful and evil, as measured by the Standard of Christ.
@garudagal23 re "if your god is the god for all time then yes we have a right to judge the actions in the bible. the ot god is not great he is evil" - Are you God? No? Then you have no authority to judge God. The truth is that God was around before you were born and will be around after you are dead. It is foolish for a person who is temporarily in this world to judge God who is eternal, especially so, because each thought, word and action will be judged after you have died.
@Snitchybums As far as I am concerned, I have nothing to "get over". You may have, well obviously or you wouldn't have made the comment and asked me the question, which I have now answered for you.
Until you recognise the Foreknowledge of God and the Prophetic nature of the Bible you will not be able to understand the answer to your question.
@garudagal23 Even the statement that you have made defaming God as "evil" on this YouTube page will be judged by God and rewarded to you by God after you have died. Every thought will be judged by God similarly, including hating someone, evil plans, lustful thoughts, jealousy, envy, covetousness, lies..etc
@garudagal23 re "how can god demanding mass murder be right or moral?" - God has not demanded murder. When God has ordered ancient Israelites to carry out his Judgement for their evil, this was the enactment of God's righteous moral judgement. It is apparent from the Bible accounts that God gave periods of 'grace', time during which evil tribes could repent to God for their evil. The following example shows this...
@micheal49 Yes your God is omnipotent, that is true. I am glad that you have faith in his attributes. Regarding the question "why does he need others to act out his will?" - I don't believe he does need them to. Do you need your children to act out your will (if you have any) ?
@garudagal23 Genesis 15:16 "But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." - in simple language, the Amorites were doing evil against God, but they were given a period of grace in which to repent, until God decided He must call a halt to it when "the iniquity of the Amorites is full", (or was too evil). At that point God dealt with their evil.
@garudagal23 It is the same with people today, God allows them a period of grace to repent and turn to Him in faith and obedience, but God can call a halt to their life at any moment of any hour. My neighbour's relative was celebrating her honeymoon on a beach, when she dropped dead on the beach..her time was up!
@garudagal23 When God ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites, He said "I will punish the Amalekites FOR WHAT THEY DID to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt" 1 Samuel 15:1-6. They were not killed unnecessarily. Regarding God's acts of Creating man or destroying His creation (men or women), if He sees fit, this is completely outside of any moral judgements of man. All God's acts are righteous, even those that will involve punishment of the evil & unbelievers
@micheal49 Thanks for your question. It highlights the popularist cynicism prevalent among some in the west today, who from the luxury of their armchairs consider themselves to be the judge and jury of peoples who lived long ago and cultures they know nothing of. I would suggest that neither you, nor I are in the position to make moral judgements of ancient Israelites or the instructions they received from God. To attempt to do so, is to invite upon ourselves criticisms of immaturity and folly
@Snitchybums I appreciate your question and I agree that it is a hard one that is impossible to answer in a way most people would find acceptable. This being the case, we must assume that God too would find it unacceptable using the same basis of judgement upon which you or I might use (since God made man in his image and God loves man). Therefore, logic tells us that we cannot apply our logic to this event. So what was the reason for God commanding this?
@Snitchybums To resign to the judgement that many people would today, ie that it was "genocide" and "evil", is clearly to completely misinterpret the scripture here, so what was the reason? In the context of this history, God had already prepared a way for the Israelites to live in their own land peacefully. However to get there, they had to fight for it, or die in the wilderness. Sometimes 'defence' necessitates attacking! God knows "The End from the Beginning" - he knows the Future.
@Snitchybums Because God knows the Future, He is unique in His decision making, in that in this case, he knew that those children would one day attack Israel and be a threat to Israel. (I know, you will jump in immediately and say 'but that's not fair, they're innocent, so far they haven't done anything! It's not right!) Yes, I know, but in God's Future knowledge, they are Guilty!
@Snitchybums I realise that this will challenge your thinking and you will probably not accept this, but you did ask, so that is my answer and I believe it is the correct one.
(The alternative for God was to wait for those children to grow up and destroy Israel, since God knew that was exactly what they would do. But then you might say, "Wait! that's not fair! If God knew those children would do that as adults why didn't he stop them?? )
@Snitchybums You should also put this whole historical event into the proper context of World History. This event however, tragic was by any account, a relatively small one, insignificant in numbers, compared to events of this nature some in their millions, taking place over the last 3000 yrs, even to the 21 Century! eg Sudan and genocide against south Sudanese Christians by muslim arabs. Yet how much outrage do you have about that the genocide in Sudan?
@Snitchybums & just to add a further thought, how much outrage are you demonstrating against the hanging of homosexuals & lesbians in Iran? I make this point because it has to be said that there are people whose content with the Bible and God is one of outrage against a long past historical event that they don't understand, but when it comes to even worse events and even in our own day, they flash past their view on the TV screen & the same people have no interest in it!! (known has hypocrisy)
@Snitchybums I might also add that in the recent genocide in Sudan, children were not only killed but they were raped and mutilated while still alive, with hands, arms, legs hacked off with machetes. some were burned alive. Sudanese women who were pregnant had their wombs hacked open with machetes, killing the baby inside...but how angry have you been about this since this began happening since 2004?
@Snitchybums I hope you see my point, some people focus their vengeance on an ancient historical & relatively small event they don't understand, yet have little time or interest or concern for an event like the Sudan genocide. It leads one to inevitably question the motives of someone who is angry about a historical event in ancient Israel, yet the same person sits in their armchair at home enjoying eating their food while pictures of horrendous genocide flash past their eyes on the TV screen!
A curious video where the speaker is giving a monolog of her moralising about genocide, while having a smirk on his face as if the subect is funny. Genocide is never funny.
From the Biblical point of view, there is no requirement or need to "excuse" any of God's judgements or instructions, measuring them by a modern individualistic and subjective feeling of morality.
I just don't understand how Christians cant see how illogical the tenets supporting their belief system really are. The biggest logical flaw and one of the most damming is how (if he exists) a supposedly wise all powerful god would choose ONE and only ONE race of humans as his "chosen" people and at the same time impose a supposedly inclusive belief system on everyone else. And when the Christians god flooded the world, didn't he kill thousands of infants and children as well??
@sihskaiekkcm "Yet another ignorant atheist comparing God's actions to man..."
When those actions are logically inconsistent, grossly immoral and run blatantly contrary to the core message of his belief system you don't think its proper to stop and ask why??
You are weak minded and a classic example of what self imposed zealotry and deluded ignorance can do to an otherwise intelligent person whom I'm sure you are.
@ZJemptv NICE PROPAGANDA ADOLPH! please explain what any of this has to do with Christianity you frikin freak! whats even more astounding is that you must actually be believing your own bullshyt! Because you ramble on (reading your luciferian script) as though you think your pulling off sounding like you know what ur talking about! you would make a good politician. did u ever think about running for office? GOOD GRIEF! LORD FORGIVE THEM. THEY NO NOT WHAT THEY DO! +++
@abc1234372 You can't be a christian and no support genocide. Yahweh commits genocides all the time in the heberw scripture, you think he's perfect, thus you are supporting genocide. The only way you can stop supporting genocide is to stop being a christian.
This is a common response I have to the objective moral values argument. They'll say that morals must be objective to differentiate one morality superior to another, therefore there's a God. "In a goddless world there would be nothing wrong with raping or murdering someone" I point out how there doesn't seem to be a problem with these things with the Christian god. They then get offended.
@FortOFHobo Maybe it's good that you can't tell... why does a person's sex matter?
'Complete revision of the old...'? Like many Christians you need to actually read your bible and get your facts (such as they are) straight:
Matt 5:17-18 clearly states jesus' position where the old testamant is concerned, which did not include any kind of 'revision.' Since the beginning of humankind we were indoctrinated by our parents to accept the concept of 'god.' And there is no god. Anywhere.
Its time to cleanse mankind of all religious subhumans. All religious are now required to report to the desert where they will be administered a lethal dose of barbiturates. Funerals will be done en mass via a bulldozer. Humans need some breathing room so we can fix what the faithful have done with the earth and its inhabitants. All we need is 2 billion homo sapein to run earth and progress the species. The rest, the religious, are worthless piffle that drag Humanity down. We are tired of it.
if I was a God seeker, old testament would be the last option to try out, even after I would have finished carefully reading notes and instructions from all mass murderers that ever lived. Zinnia is right on that, it's full of all kinds of perversion and violence.
Ameleks were an abomination to Gods people. God wanted them wiped out because they would have corrupted Gods people, the Israelites. If they didn't wipe them out , the people of God would have started adopting there customs and worshiping there false gods. That's why the ameleks had to go
@u0tube0video0critic And so are infidels (Israelites, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, you name it!) to Allah's people according to the Koran. Watch out! It only goes to show that religion is nothing but a double-edged sword. Any direction you swing it, it'll hurt people, including yourself.
What in our society /doesn't/ corrupt people? If "corrupting people" was a sin punishable by death, not a single human would be left alive, and that includes Christians.
the Bible is manipulated God never commited genocide. sorry for there pagan bastards who are too cowardly to take on Christainity by force, so battle against christainity in complete secrecy. Oh and stop making videos offending christains, really your gonna have a riot outside the window soon.
I love how the only arguments I find on the comment section are basically people pointing out genocides commited by different religions and races, as if this jusitifies their own genocide at all.
well , i'm not a christian and God never never never commands genocide .
genocide occurred in the bible after it has been tainted to go along with scribes desires to conquer lands and peoples and to live for free .
i don't know if you read the Qur'an , but what it says about Noah's arc is very different than the bible which is conceived by mortal beings through centuries fortunately we have sophisticated media system in the last century so it won't get tainted anymore but it's too late anyway.
No, of course not, God, if there is one, is never for Genocide, the point is, every perpetrator of genocide has justified it as God's will. The NAME of God is invoke by corrupt and greedy mean to justify their actions.
The problem is, people stupidly believe these idiots when they say the speak For and To God.
Anyone who claims to speak To or For God is a liar by default.
Everyone has to die sometime. I don´t understand why most people consider dying a catastrophy that in fact shouldn´t happen. People get born and people die- an entire circle.
The problem is pain. The pain of the dying and the pain of the empathical observer.
But isn´t it primitive to consider something objectively wrong just because it causes me pain?
I don´t to defend the Bible. It seems to be a book of idiotic fairy tales to me and I don´t get why God first created men who he later killed
@VitoPossilipo but I neither get this despise concerning dying. If you look in a kaleidoscope and turn its cylinder, old forms vanish and new forms occur- and this is just what happens in the universe- old forms (suns, rocks, living beings, people) disappear and new ones come into existence. Were´s the tragic- cosmologically seen?
Provocation intended.
P.S.: Please excuse, if my English isn´t perfect. I´m German.
I still find it odd that in the good old days, it seemed God was having tea and biscuits with every leader in the world, yet today, not a single sign of him.
Could it be that these people simply wanted to commit genocide, and conveniently claimed that God told them it was OK?
When someone makes the claim "God said..." how do we sort out the liars?
Of course, they are all lying, but for sake of argument we'll assume it is possible for some to tell the truth.
@blueboyblue First off, the "genocide" commited in the bible was acceptable at the time. If you fucked with somebody in the old days and lost, you were sacked. And that is what happens in every case in the bible, the people surrounding Isreal were threatoning the holy land, and so they were delt with. Second off, the people threatoning the "Holy Land" were a lot less civilized then people seem to realize. Sacrafising every families first born to some pagan god was only the tip of the iceburg.
"..."genocide" commited in the bible was acceptable at the time. ...people surrounding Isreal were threatoning the holy land,..."
You have a very convenient and self-serving view of history. Certainly bloody battles have always occurred, bu the absolute and total slaughter of very living thing, even man, woman, child, and animal, is unconscionable in any age.
It is easy to say Mass Genocide it OK, then it is not you being killed.
Second, the Jew were a stateless people without home or land, they simply wandered in the desert, until the slaughtered and murdered their way into land. And these were not armies they were fighting. They literally went from village to village slaughtering EVERY LIVING THING.
And foolishly justified it by saying that God said it was OK. It is easy to say the most horrible atrocity is OK if you can attribute it to God.
@blueboyblue Seriosly, get a clue. What do you think Isreal was? What is Jeruselem? How about the ruins of Solomons temple? And I never said it was OK, I said it was OK 3000 years ago, like I said, back then if you messed with somebody and lost, you got sacked. Also, because this didnt quite sink in, THE PEOPLE THEY KILLED WERE AS BARBARIC AS IT GETS. At least the Jewish God didn't demand human sacrafice.
How is it the God was having tea & cookie with everyone back then? How is it that every barbaric thug back then was conveniently visited by God, and yet, in the countless centuries sense. God has not so much as spoken to any sane person?
I say 'sane person' because every nut job has no problem communicating with God when it serves their convenient purpose.
How is it God favors his communication on nut jobs and fools?
@blueboyblue Why do you call the most civilized people in their time barbaric thugs? Did anyone else have laws demanding you treat your wives and slaves with respect? Certaintly not the Egyptians nor the Caananites.
To answer your question, the Church approves sitings, and most are rejected, like the idiot who "saw Jesus" in his/her's (i dont even remember) sandwich. Its a whole process, and I am pretty sure there has to be a miracle or something. Oh and Read up on the Fatima children.
"..the most civilized people in their time barbaric thugs? "
Because they were, the slaughtered and murdered their way through the pages of history. Justifying it as God's will.
"...laws demanding you treat your wives and slaves with respect?"
What the law seemingly demands, society does not always provide. The mere fact that they were slave, yet still felt the need to hold slaves of their own is barbaric in and of itself. Not to mention very un-Christian like.
@blueboyblue "Society does not always provide" In this case it did. When an order is recieved from God, breaking it entailed some pretty nasty things, perhaps a famine or two, not to mention swift excecution from someone who catches you. And remember, the people who surrounded them did not have laws protecting their slaves, so no matter how you look at it, the Jews were the lesser of evils.
"Murdered their way" so did like 99% of ancient civilazations, and you canthrowrape in there for them.
"... subsequently wore tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance and mortification of the flesh."
@blueboyblue Im glad you caught the point of the story....
It does sound barbaric, but they were doing it to save sinners. Im not arguing about this though, you asked for a miracle that has happend around today, and so I gave it.
No I didn't ask for a miracle, I simply observed that God was having tea & cookies with every babarian with a grudge to bare, and conveniently he have permission for an killing an slaughter they felt served them.
They did not receive orders from God, they simply used that as an excuse to justify their atrocities, and the countless thousands of people they slaughtered were not bargarians. They lived in town that has social structure and social order.
It is in the Bible, they lived in villages and town that had government, commerce, and general social order. They were not barbarian horde rampaging through the country side. Within the context of the day, they lived quiet lives.
They live in town that has social order until barbarian hordes road in from the desert and began slaughtering everyone. You can claim God said, genocide was OK, but any sane person know that is pure cow dung. The name of God is only invoked when barbarians want to kill people - back then and today.
So, tea & cookies every day with God back then, but not so much as a brunch invitation today. Anyone who claims to talk to God, is a fool talking to a fool.
@blueboyblue If what you are saying is true, then why was there no Isreali empire? Why wouldnt they expand past their tiny borders? Why would their war god (a term I use for Gods that are made to use in war) tell them to destroy civilizations and go back to the small Promised land? I think a War god would have said, "The world is your promised land, now go and conquer everyone." You dont gain anything from genocide, unless you just want to rid yourself of an aggresive enemy in theearlybronzeage.
There was in Israeli empire, it encompassed a substantial portion of the west bank of the Mediterranean, though by today's standard it was a small empire.
@blueboyblue (cont) If you can just specify me a time when the Jews attacked someone unprevoked, other then the Caananites (And do not try and tell me they were not barbaric, its not Ignore facts day anymore) whom they first took the Promised land from, I would understand you. Oh, and you still havent addressed an important issue: Are the claims you are giving not a common trend of every civilazation in that time period? What about the Egyptians? How do you think the pyramids were built?
And my point wasnt, "That means it was okay for them to do it." It wasthat that was how things were done at the time. If someone attacked you, or threatoned your way of life in any way, you sacked them, and there wasnt a reason not to (according to bronze age morals). The jews were told to kill if the holy land was threatoned, they did not just go about saying: "Oh look, God told me to kill that guy and take his wife", or, "God told me your house is really mine."....
Once again the Jews were a stateless landless people wandering the desert. The people they attacked were living quiet lives in towns and villages. Now, how can anyone be confused about who was threatening who here?
Next, if you actually read the Bible, you will see, as I have implied, that God what having tea and cookies with everyone everywhere all the time. People were having more visits from God than I get from the Postman. Seems a little too convenient & unlikely.
@blueboyblue (cont) Didnt you just say they had an empire? Look, the Jews lived in Isreal, there were twelve tribes of Jews in Isreal, their capitol was Jeruselem, it had been like for centuries, then the Jews were scattered in the Diaspora. They werent a barbarian horde wandering around the desert saying, "Oh look some philistines, I think God wants us to shoot them in the back and take their gold."....
@blueboyblue (cont) See, as I have told you repeatetly, the Jews were always provoked. Imagine this, you are a Midianite, and worship several gods, participate in ritual orgies once a year, and have even sacrafised your first born to one of those Gods. While you are doing your midianite thing, a large group of people kick out the Caananites, a tribe you were never affiliated with, and settles in their land. They say they came from Egypt, and that they worship only one God, and aside from him...
@blueboyblue (cont) not being one you have heard of, he asks the strangers to do the most odd things. They cant eat pork, they have to wash their hands before meals, he doesnt get pissed when noone is killed every now and then, and he does get pissed if they go to the temple of Hathor every year to get some. They dont seem so strong, not to mention they have the good land now, so you and your midianites attempt to conquer these strange people. But oddly enough, it doesnt work....
Sorry to say you have a pretty firm grasp of pseudo-history, but a poor grasp of reality.
All the things you claim these alleged barbarian were doing, might seem wrong and barbaric to you, but they were just normal everyday life back in that day. Thousands of Gods have been worshiped over the many centuries, at that given time, who is to say yours is any better than anyone else's? Who is to say the small minority is right, and the bulk of the known world is wrong.
@blueboyblue "Sorry to say you have a pretty firm grasp of pseudo-history, but a poor grasp of reality." Your doing a poor job in backing this up.
Double standard if you ask me. The Jews wipe out AGGRESSORS and they are murderers. The pagan tribes kill their young and they were just doing what was acceptable at the time.
"Double standard.. The Jews wipe out AGGRESSORS..."
How were women, innocent children and babies AGGRESSORS?
When I say they wiped out every living thing, I'm not kidding, they showed no mercy to anyone. Most killed were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.
I'm sorry , but you re-write and re-interpret history to match your preconceived conclusions. You are like Republicans who will make up anything to justify their infamy.
@blueboyblue (cont) so you make an alliance with the Hithites, and several other pagan tribes who share the same concern about these oddballs, and attack once more, and even so, it doesnt work, and when you attempt to curse them with magic, (which everyone took seriosly at the time) and it doesnt work. Their God must be stronger then ours, you think, and so in an effort to make them piss their God off, you get your women to try and seduce their men into worshipping what they call "idols"...
@blueboyblue (cont) this seems to really get into their leaders skin, who is genuinly concered his soldiers will began to partake in "idol" worshipping. So, after all you have been pissing them off for years now, he rounds up the twelve tribes of Isreal and does what so many seemed to have a habit of doing, they kill all the male midianites, and take the females who have not had sex and therefor could not have tried to seduce, and keep them as wives or slaves. Good thing they had the...
@blueboyblue (cont) worlds first domestic violance laws, enforced by Yarhweh.
I just feel like I have wasted a lot of time because I havent even addressed all your points, but whatever. The point of all this was to illustrate that if indeed God wasnt really having tea and cookies with Moses, etc, he deffinately was not used for murder but self defence.
"God was ... deffinately was not used for murder but self defense."
You are laboring under your own delusion. You HAVE TO see murder as self-defense because it is the only way to make sense out of what does not make sense. You have to come up with justifications for atrocities, because your religion fails if you admit to the atrocities.
You are more than welcome to keep defending your delusion, as we live in a free country, just remember though that few people are buy it.
@blueboyblue I just listed a story where the jews were repeatetly attacked before they wiped out the offendors, you have not listed one that shows the opposite. You also havent addressed the fact that the jews did not create an empire, therefore they were not using the God as an offense but rather a way to deal with their aggresive enemies; enemies that needed to be wiped out for a peaceful existance.
We all know the story of the Jews leaving Egypt to wander in the Desert. What about when they come out of the desert? They wandered 40 years, 2 generation that had never crossed the Jordan River. When they crossed, they slaughtered every living thing. How were those towns who had live peacefully for decades any threat to the Jews?
As to Empire, they did create an empire, it was just a small one. The current empire includes lands they stole.
@blueboyblue ....for, that would entail some really nasty things. Saying: "God told me to do it." if he really didnt is bearing false witness, and saying the lords name in vain, plus the crime of whatever you did. Also, one moron saying something like that would not have done a thing, people would have asked why the prophet of the time didnt hear Gods supposed message.
Yes, but when your leader says "God told me so" how can you challenge it? God is the 'Scared Cow', he can't be challenge, and if you did challenge the assertion, you would be instantly dead. This is the very convenient way in which alleged Christians control the masses, and always has been. Believe or die!
These assertions were not coming from Street Grubbers, they were coming for leaders who had self-serving agendas of their own. Key word "self-serving".
@blueboyblue You cant, but as far as the Bible's recordings goes, there was not nearly as much abuse of the God card as there has been in other culters. Take Islam, it litterally says anyone can go out and kill someone if they feel Muslims are being oppressed by that person, and that you go to heaven for it. In Judiasm you only attack when God specifically says to (and he has only, according to scripture, done so against threats), or in self defense of the Holy land. (If it is under attack)....
I think a lot of "christians" have twisted the original believe WAY out of proportion. I don't think anyone of them actually caught on to what Christ himself was attempting to teach. Just about everything he taught can be broken down into one thing, BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER. Genocide is of course wrong, taking a life is wrong period, self defense or otherwise. I think a lot of what ended up in the bible is bullshit that got passed down and came from a lot of people claiming they heard it from God.
Stop commenting that the Bible is wrong or bad you Atheist. i'm no christian but i'm sick of all the atheist thinking they are better than everyone else cause your not (your the same(. you are no greater human than everyone else so STFU. its called tolerance.
In a later story more Amalekites were killed in another region.Another reason they were getting killed is because the descendant of Agag which was Haman plotted to kill many Jews.
Zinnia Jones once again fail.The reason that the genocide of the Amalekites happened was because when the Israelites were on there way out of Egypt they were attacked by the Amalekites.This was a time in which the Jews were weak and the Amalekites had gained a reputation for being worse than the Pharaohs of Egypt.A brutal enemy deserves to be fought brutally.Also the Amalekites werent even totally wiped out completely some still existed.
I support Old Testament genocide, as you call it. However, it's not genocide to kill evil people. It's only genocide when you wipe out a race to rid the world of them, for no reason, or for no good reason. But if an entire people are evil, they should be wiped out. That's my opinion. And no, I can't think of any people today that fall into that category. But back in the old-days, I think it was entirely plausible. People were more tribal back then, and not spread out all over and diverse.
@skaggmo Please, define "tribal" in this context. How does being "tribal" make a group of people more likely to be evil enough to start smashing their children's heads in?
@EvansRowan123 Smashing in a child head is evil and fucked up in its self.Im pretty sure an person willing to do soshould be killed or punished themselves.He also wasnt saying that people that are tribal are more evil but he was actually talking about their location on the Earth and the population of humans at that time.He is actually saying that back then people were more nomadic.
@EstacadoConstantine He said it was entirely plausible back in the "old-days" for a group to be evil enough to justify genocide, and the reason for it to be plausible was that "people were more tribal back then".
And you just seem to be dancing around it with other, similarly irrelevant terms, none of which make a decent answer to the question of what it is that makes modern people so much better that we can justify genocide millenia ago, but not on any group around today?
@EvansRowan123 It has nothing to do with whether or not people of this time period find it acceptable or not.The only thing that has to be understood is why this genocide(which it wasnt a genocide at all it was a war)happened.The reason it happened was because of provocation.A thing left out of Zinnia`s video.The Israelites were pounced on by the Amalekites when they were weak.They provoked them.So in turn they declared war upon them with no mercy.
@EstacadoConstantine You were responding to my response to some other guy. This argument is going on a tangent.
Meh, anyway - Why it happened can be easily understood, I guess, although I don't know enough about bronze age history to know whether you're right, can even have a decent idea of whether or not you're right from the archaeological record, or are just talking out of your ass, but why it happened doesn't even matter.
@EstacadoConstantine It has everything to do with whether or not people of this time period find it acceptable. We're people of our time period, arguing over whether massacres are justified.
@EvansRowan123 And whose to say there isnt any group deserving of brutal punishment today? Look at World War 2 and the bombing of Japan by the United States.Japan had joined forces with the Nazis and commited terrible war crimes.They were given a chance to stop but didnt and were bombed.Nazis are still being hunted down today.So would you say that these people who have commited these horrible atrocities arent worthy of being killed themselves?
@EstacadoConstantine Um... Yeah, yeah I would. See, this is the difference between war and/or judicial punishment, and genocide.
Out of the population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that died horribly painful deaths, I'm pretty sure the people that had commited actual war crimes were outnumbered, by quite a margin, by young children.
Of course, that's when we're treating it as an example of a massacre. The bombings put an end to the war, so were justified, but massacres in general don't bring peace.
@EstacadoConstantine Oh, also, it was the guy who I was initially responding to who said that he couldn't think of any people today who deserve to be massacred, I assumed you held the same opinion since, at leastto start with, you were defending that guy's post.
@EstacadoConstantine That's a bit irrelevant, since a) I was only complaining about that as a side not anyway and b) I was just pointing out that I'd assumed you agreed with the guy you were defending on a certain point, I already figured out you didn't because that's why I brought it up in the first place.
@FinalJusticeMovement Even if homosexuality is a form of population control (viewpoints vary on this) it does NOT make it genocide. There's a word that is associated with population control: "ecology." If you're saying that homosexuality as population control is genocide, then why do you not categorize terminal illnesses as genocide as well? Why are fatal car accidents not also genocide? Genocide is a DELIBERATE act. Homosexuality is NOT deliberate, therefore, not genocide in any form.
@FinalJusticeMovement The reason I mentioned ecology is because a division within ecology is population ecology, which deals with the study of population control. Maybe it's not completely related to the topic at hand, but it just popped into my mind so I mentioned it.
"...systematic imposition or execution of MASS TERMINATION OF LIFE!"
Since when is homosexuality even in the same category as the mass termination of life? Is it because they can't reproduce? Sure that's true, but when you say termination of life, that implies there was life to begin with. There is no life to begin with in a homosexual relationship except the life of the two people, so it really is not "mass termination of life."
CODA: "[W]hen you say termination of life, that implies there was life to begin with. There is no life to begin with in a homosexual relationship except the life of the two people, so it really is not "mass termination of life." >> You have pretty much answered all your own questions. But you forgot these very important factors: a) Homosexual activity often involves MORE than 2 people at a time b) Any male homosexual encounter can end with a deadly STI/STD c) The dead sperm (TBC) --FJ
@FinalJusticeMovement You do know that 99% of the sperm die in a heterosexual relationship as well, assuming they are not using contraception, right? So you should be accusing people of every sexuality of committing genocide. And sperm are also not human creatures, so the killing of sperm is not classified as genocide.
CODA: "You do know that 99% of the sperm die in a heterosexual relationship as well, assuming they are not using contraception, right?" >> Correct. But that little 1% that applies in homosexual encounters makes ALL the difference. The homosexuality ritual GUARANTEES NO NEW LIFE whatsoever and homosexualISTS (both "gay" and straight) value abortion and reduced population above and against anything else, including and especially the family unit, male/female unity, and gender equality. (TBC) -FJ
@FinalJusticeMovement So you don't support homosexuality or rights for homosexual individuals? That makes you just as bad as the people who, decades ago, discriminated based on skin color. What I hate is when religious people like you claim to support civil rights for all people, but when something like this comes up and your "holy book" says otherwise, you immediately become discriminatory. Why do you even watch Zinnia's videos if you don;t agree with her beliefs?
And now, I can see by your most recent comment that you're about to prove my points even more. I expected the temper to flare up sooner or later. And as always, I'm ready for ya. Here we go. CODA: "So you don't support homosexuality or rights for homosexual individuals?" >> Correct on the 1st part, wrong on the 2nd. I do not support the ritual of homosexuality, which is physically dangerous, nor the ideology of homosexualism, which is inherently sexist and socially divisive. (TBC) --FJ
CODA: "So you don't support homosexuality or rights for homosexual individuals?" (continued) >> However, I DO support the rights of individuals as long as they do not impose a threat to the collective rights and civil liberties of others, which the homosexualist sector is designed upon. They speak of and demand tolerance from everyone under the sun and consistently parrot that heterosexuality is bigotry (especially if they ARE religious), but where is THEIR reciprocation of said tolerance? -FJ
@FinalJusticeMovement How do you know that homosexuality is a choice? Are you homosexual? No. So don't assume that it's not a choice just because you THINK it is. There is NO evidence that it is a choice. NONE AT ALL. If I'm wrong, I would like you to provide me with a link to a reputable source (i.e, one NOT contaminated by religious beliefs) that says, based on FACTUAL INFORMATION, that it is a choice.
I expect you'll come up empty handed, and rightly so.
@FinalJusticeMovement FJ, your reasoning is primitive at its best. You know what? I am gay. I know for a FACT that it is NOT a choice. It is the way I was born. Rapists are not born rapists. Alcoholics occasionally have genetic links, but not often. And drug addictions can only stem from the parents if the mother was a drug addict while pregnant or if the parents do drugs in front of their children regularly. Homosexuality, however, is proven to be an effect of genetics.
@coda623 "I know for a FACT that it is NOT a choice." We all have a choice, and there is no biological evidence to prove that homosexuality is a choice. This is said many times to try make the general public accept homosexuality as just a little mis-copy of a gene.
This, however is not true. Environmental variables may play a role in homosexuality, but will certainly not rid one of the opportunity not to become one.
@MrRichard991 " there is no biological evidence to prove that homosexuality is a choice. "
You just contradicted yourself. Are you gay? Do you know what it feels like to be gay? Did you "choose" to be straight? I'm guessing your answer to all of those is "no." Make sure you actually know what you are talking about before you come to conclusions, okay?
@MrRichard991 So you recall deciding between homo-, bi-, and heterosexuality? I would highly doubt that, unless you are willing to describe that moment when you really remember "deciding."
btw I'll go ahead and guess you're a heterosexual Christian.
@coda623 When I hit puberty, I noticed girls seemed to be a lot more attractive than guys. I chose women over guys because of their appearance. I can change my opinion on girls by deluding myself (not saying you did such a thing), and then my opinions will change.
"I'll go ahead and guess you're a heterosexual Christian." Spot on :)
@coda623 Oh? So they proved it in the past few days? I wasnt aware of that. Last time I checked there was very little scientific data supporitng your claim, and very much scientific data against it. But science changes, so if you please, can you link me your proof?
@RecBookHero There is scientific data suggesting that some of it may be genetic. Other factors include environmental factors, which is also something uncontrollable in many cases. Fact of the matter is, there is no reason to assume that homosexuals choose to be homosexual, when you really have no experience in this realm of sexuality.
CODA: "[W]hy do you not categorize terminal illnesses as genocide as well? Why are fatal car accidents not also genocide?" >> Wow, Coda! Your attempt at semantics is so obvious you don't even TRY! Fatal car accidents are just that -- ACCIDENTS. Terminal illnesses (in themselves) are not genocide unless they are enacted by a high-rank authority system. Homosexuality as an ISOLATED act among INDIVIDUAL PARTIES is not genocide, but INDOCTRINATING SOCIETY into the ritual IS genocidal. --FJ
I'm a Christian, and I condemn all genocides, including the genocides of the Bible. I also condemn the occupation of Palestine. I don't believe that God truly wants those things. Jesus actually rebelled against the Jewish authorities and their beliefs, which is why they wanted to see him executed.
All genocide has one thing in common - Gun Control! Genocide has affected so many different cultures. God has never approved Genocide and no Christian has participated in one (true Christians).
So what you're saying is that modern genocide is terrible, but ancient genocide is alright and justifiable?
Moreover, talking over such ancient genocides is not done because we have a grudge, it is done because to this day, there are way too many people saying that this IS acceptable. And if you agree with an ancient genocide, there must be circumstances in the present where you would agree again. Such complacency and dogmatic blindness is terrifying, and has to be addressed.
lilmizzserina 2 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Atheist have commited Genocide. Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot. Nuff Said
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
@ubermisogynist Did they commit genocide BECAUSE they where atheists?
Did Charles Darwin appear to them in a dream and tell them to wipe out an entire culture?
I don't think your statement has said enough at all.
Chayraz2 2 weeks ago 4
@ubermisogynist Tu quoque fallacy. Please try again.
micheal49 2 weeks ago
Ha, in my sidebar this video was recommended with the title "A Challenge to Christians: Stop" (with the rest of the title cut off) Your points here are certainly good but I would kind of like to see *that* video too ;)
noforbiddenquestions 3 weeks ago
AHHH ZINNIA! I agree with you wholeheartedly, except on one bit, you used the biblical term "mankind" to refer to the entire human race (which doesn't consist of just men) unless you were LITERALLY referring to just men and the wars that were cause. Then, ok. I'll savvy that.
But the term "mankind" in general is just a bruise to our language that, once again, religion has truly caused under completely ignorance (and prejudice.)
YourDarkAccomplice 3 weeks ago
@sihskaiekkcm genocide isn't justifiable just because god supposedly did it If your god exists than why can his actions supersede the morals that he supposedly created for us?
kyekire 4 weeks ago
It would indeed be interesting to see how much the speaker condemns the persecution of Christians around the world, or if he has ever condemned the execution of Christians for their faith...yet this is a truly morally repugnant activity...yet has he ever condemned it or made actively protested against it?? If not, why not? Could it be, that in his zeal to fight God and the Bible, his morality only exists to try to "prove his own agenda?" ....I wonder??
faithbyloving 1 month ago
So the sacrifice of a relatively minute number of Amalekites by the standards of today's wars, is unacceptable to the speaker even if it may mean the saving of billions of people. This is because the speaker's consideration has not extended beyond the microcosm and his own experiential view of his own world. The obsession with similar popularist "moralities" in the the luxury of western societies, often ignore immoral human suffering in the under-developed world.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
I have little doubt that the same speaker most likely finds a "moral objection" to the fact that Christ voluntarily offered himself as a sacrifice for the speaker's own sinfulness, since the speaker's morality is confined to a microcosm and is unable to extend to the macro-objective that God plans to save as many people from their own sin as He can.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
There is no need for Christians or anyone who believes the truth of scripture, to "condemn" the instructions of God, or the history of ancient Israel, in the Bible. That is frankly as ridiculous as asking people to condemn the attacking of the Nazis in WWII, because bloodshed offends our subjective morality....and here is where someone like the speaker will find himself up to his neck in perplexity, because his own subjective moral feelings cannot be the guide to a greater moral outcome.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
Further, he doesn't seem to realise that his own subjective feeling of morality is not relevant to the history of man's actions and wars. Neither are necessarily today's international conventions universally applicable to ancient history.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
This is what the speaker appears to be trying to do: use his own subjective feeling of morality to measure God's instructions to ancient Israelites! and of course, it doesn't work. Morality cannot be applied to God. It can only be a measure applied to man by God. Man has no moral standard that he can safely apply without the absolute morality of the Word of God.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
@faithbyloving if god never is wrong--as per statements of christians--then how can god demanding mass murder be right or moral? there are moral people all over the world who have never heard of or read the bible. in fact Zinnia does have a right to make moral judgements and the judgements in this video are superior to those of the god of the ot. if your god is the god for all time then yes we have a right to judge the actions in the bible. the ot god is not great he is evil
garudagal23 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 Friend, there are NO "moral people". They do not exist. Every person has thoughts, speech and actions. These thoughts, speech and actions may each have a moral value within the context of their occurence. These events are in their hundreds each day. Some may be judged "righteous" and some "unrighteous", but each is judged so by the standard of Christ, NOT by the standards of men.
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 The standard of Christ is FIRST: Obedience and then Faith. This is the morality of "righteousness". The morality of "unrighteousness" is the opposite and is the fruit of FIRST: Disobedience and then as a Result of Disobedience, Unbelief (Atheism). Anyone can "make a moral judgement", but it is either errnoeus or incomplete unless measured by the Standard of Christ (as already described).
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 Zinnia can make a moral judgement and so can you, but unless it is measured by the Standard of Christ, which is an absolute value, Zinnia's judgement will have limited or no intrinsic value, because the judgements of men are inherently flawed. The judgements of Zinnia and yourself are not only inferior, but sinful and evil, as measured by the Standard of Christ.
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
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@garudagal23 re "if your god is the god for all time then yes we have a right to judge the actions in the bible. the ot god is not great he is evil" - Are you God? No? Then you have no authority to judge God. The truth is that God was around before you were born and will be around after you are dead. It is foolish for a person who is temporarily in this world to judge God who is eternal, especially so, because each thought, word and action will be judged after you have died.
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@faithbyloving People are going to judge someone that puts children to death. Get over it.
Snitchybums 3 days ago
@Snitchybums As far as I am concerned, I have nothing to "get over". You may have, well obviously or you wouldn't have made the comment and asked me the question, which I have now answered for you.
Until you recognise the Foreknowledge of God and the Prophetic nature of the Bible you will not be able to understand the answer to your question.
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@garudagal23 Even the statement that you have made defaming God as "evil" on this YouTube page will be judged by God and rewarded to you by God after you have died. Every thought will be judged by God similarly, including hating someone, evil plans, lustful thoughts, jealousy, envy, covetousness, lies..etc
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 re "how can god demanding mass murder be right or moral?" - God has not demanded murder. When God has ordered ancient Israelites to carry out his Judgement for their evil, this was the enactment of God's righteous moral judgement. It is apparent from the Bible accounts that God gave periods of 'grace', time during which evil tribes could repent to God for their evil. The following example shows this...
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@faithbyloving So if your god is omnipotent, why does he need others to act out his will?
micheal49 2 weeks ago
@micheal49 Yes your God is omnipotent, that is true. I am glad that you have faith in his attributes. Regarding the question "why does he need others to act out his will?" - I don't believe he does need them to. Do you need your children to act out your will (if you have any) ?
faithbyloving 2 weeks ago
@garudagal23 Genesis 15:16 "But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." - in simple language, the Amorites were doing evil against God, but they were given a period of grace in which to repent, until God decided He must call a halt to it when "the iniquity of the Amorites is full", (or was too evil). At that point God dealt with their evil.
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 It is the same with people today, God allows them a period of grace to repent and turn to Him in faith and obedience, but God can call a halt to their life at any moment of any hour. My neighbour's relative was celebrating her honeymoon on a beach, when she dropped dead on the beach..her time was up!
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@garudagal23 When God ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites, He said "I will punish the Amalekites FOR WHAT THEY DID to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt" 1 Samuel 15:1-6. They were not killed unnecessarily. Regarding God's acts of Creating man or destroying His creation (men or women), if He sees fit, this is completely outside of any moral judgements of man. All God's acts are righteous, even those that will involve punishment of the evil & unbelievers
faithbyloving 4 weeks ago
@faithbyloving So even the infants and children were evil, eh? Fascinating. Do please tell us more.
micheal49 2 weeks ago
@micheal49 Thanks for your question. It highlights the popularist cynicism prevalent among some in the west today, who from the luxury of their armchairs consider themselves to be the judge and jury of peoples who lived long ago and cultures they know nothing of. I would suggest that neither you, nor I are in the position to make moral judgements of ancient Israelites or the instructions they received from God. To attempt to do so, is to invite upon ourselves criticisms of immaturity and folly
faithbyloving 2 weeks ago
@faithbyloving So what about the kids and the Amalekites who didn't partake in attacking Israel?
Snitchybums 3 days ago
@Snitchybums I appreciate your question and I agree that it is a hard one that is impossible to answer in a way most people would find acceptable. This being the case, we must assume that God too would find it unacceptable using the same basis of judgement upon which you or I might use (since God made man in his image and God loves man). Therefore, logic tells us that we cannot apply our logic to this event. So what was the reason for God commanding this?
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums To resign to the judgement that many people would today, ie that it was "genocide" and "evil", is clearly to completely misinterpret the scripture here, so what was the reason? In the context of this history, God had already prepared a way for the Israelites to live in their own land peacefully. However to get there, they had to fight for it, or die in the wilderness. Sometimes 'defence' necessitates attacking! God knows "The End from the Beginning" - he knows the Future.
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums Because God knows the Future, He is unique in His decision making, in that in this case, he knew that those children would one day attack Israel and be a threat to Israel. (I know, you will jump in immediately and say 'but that's not fair, they're innocent, so far they haven't done anything! It's not right!) Yes, I know, but in God's Future knowledge, they are Guilty!
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums I realise that this will challenge your thinking and you will probably not accept this, but you did ask, so that is my answer and I believe it is the correct one.
(The alternative for God was to wait for those children to grow up and destroy Israel, since God knew that was exactly what they would do. But then you might say, "Wait! that's not fair! If God knew those children would do that as adults why didn't he stop them?? )
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums You should also put this whole historical event into the proper context of World History. This event however, tragic was by any account, a relatively small one, insignificant in numbers, compared to events of this nature some in their millions, taking place over the last 3000 yrs, even to the 21 Century! eg Sudan and genocide against south Sudanese Christians by muslim arabs. Yet how much outrage do you have about that the genocide in Sudan?
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums & just to add a further thought, how much outrage are you demonstrating against the hanging of homosexuals & lesbians in Iran? I make this point because it has to be said that there are people whose content with the Bible and God is one of outrage against a long past historical event that they don't understand, but when it comes to even worse events and even in our own day, they flash past their view on the TV screen & the same people have no interest in it!! (known has hypocrisy)
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums I might also add that in the recent genocide in Sudan, children were not only killed but they were raped and mutilated while still alive, with hands, arms, legs hacked off with machetes. some were burned alive. Sudanese women who were pregnant had their wombs hacked open with machetes, killing the baby inside...but how angry have you been about this since this began happening since 2004?
faithbyloving 3 days ago
@Snitchybums I hope you see my point, some people focus their vengeance on an ancient historical & relatively small event they don't understand, yet have little time or interest or concern for an event like the Sudan genocide. It leads one to inevitably question the motives of someone who is angry about a historical event in ancient Israel, yet the same person sits in their armchair at home enjoying eating their food while pictures of horrendous genocide flash past their eyes on the TV screen!
faithbyloving 3 days ago
A curious video where the speaker is giving a monolog of her moralising about genocide, while having a smirk on his face as if the subect is funny. Genocide is never funny.
From the Biblical point of view, there is no requirement or need to "excuse" any of God's judgements or instructions, measuring them by a modern individualistic and subjective feeling of morality.
faithbyloving 1 month ago
I just don't understand how Christians cant see how illogical the tenets supporting their belief system really are. The biggest logical flaw and one of the most damming is how (if he exists) a supposedly wise all powerful god would choose ONE and only ONE race of humans as his "chosen" people and at the same time impose a supposedly inclusive belief system on everyone else. And when the Christians god flooded the world, didn't he kill thousands of infants and children as well??
LoganFiive 1 month ago
Thats because they were sinners and they didnt fowllow Gods rules and they would of tried to kill his choosen people
Howbigofaboyareya 1 month ago
Yet another ignorant atheist comparing God's actions to man.
sihskaiekkcm 1 month ago
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@sihskaiekkcm "Yet another ignorant atheist comparing God's actions to man..."
When those actions are logically inconsistent, grossly immoral and run blatantly contrary to the core message of his belief system you don't think its proper to stop and ask why??
You are weak minded and a classic example of what self imposed zealotry and deluded ignorance can do to an otherwise intelligent person whom I'm sure you are.
LoganFiive 1 month ago
@ZJemptv NICE PROPAGANDA ADOLPH! please explain what any of this has to do with Christianity you frikin freak! whats even more astounding is that you must actually be believing your own bullshyt! Because you ramble on (reading your luciferian script) as though you think your pulling off sounding like you know what ur talking about! you would make a good politician. did u ever think about running for office? GOOD GRIEF! LORD FORGIVE THEM. THEY NO NOT WHAT THEY DO! +++
hevy99 1 month ago
@hevy99 twat.
Zwank36 1 month ago
@abc1234372 You can't be a christian and no support genocide. Yahweh commits genocides all the time in the heberw scripture, you think he's perfect, thus you are supporting genocide. The only way you can stop supporting genocide is to stop being a christian.
humanistheart 2 months ago
This is a common response I have to the objective moral values argument. They'll say that morals must be objective to differentiate one morality superior to another, therefore there's a God. "In a goddless world there would be nothing wrong with raping or murdering someone" I point out how there doesn't seem to be a problem with these things with the Christian god. They then get offended.
stormblast49 2 months ago
I'm a Christian, and I acknowledge that genocide is wrong in absolutely ALL cases.
LittleFugueFlute 3 months ago
First question, are you a male or female?
I honestly can't tell.
and christians support the old testament?
New testament is a complete revision of the old..
Huge generalizations..
FortOFHobo 3 months ago
@FortOFHobo Maybe it's good that you can't tell... why does a person's sex matter?
'Complete revision of the old...'? Like many Christians you need to actually read your bible and get your facts (such as they are) straight:
Matt 5:17-18 clearly states jesus' position where the old testamant is concerned, which did not include any kind of 'revision.' Since the beginning of humankind we were indoctrinated by our parents to accept the concept of 'god.' And there is no god. Anywhere.
flithern 2 months ago
Its time to cleanse mankind of all religious subhumans. All religious are now required to report to the desert where they will be administered a lethal dose of barbiturates. Funerals will be done en mass via a bulldozer. Humans need some breathing room so we can fix what the faithful have done with the earth and its inhabitants. All we need is 2 billion homo sapein to run earth and progress the species. The rest, the religious, are worthless piffle that drag Humanity down. We are tired of it.
699backstab 3 months ago
@699backstab
Somebody didn't get the point.
jonathancalabrettaca 1 month ago
War is not your forte. Genocide Genocide Genocide. A challenge to You, Quit defending sin.
deltaalphacharlie 3 months ago
if I was a God seeker, old testament would be the last option to try out, even after I would have finished carefully reading notes and instructions from all mass murderers that ever lived. Zinnia is right on that, it's full of all kinds of perversion and violence.
CassiusChrysanthe 3 months ago
Ameleks were an abomination to Gods people. God wanted them wiped out because they would have corrupted Gods people, the Israelites. If they didn't wipe them out , the people of God would have started adopting there customs and worshiping there false gods. That's why the ameleks had to go
u0tube0video0critic 3 months ago
@u0tube0video0critic And so are infidels (Israelites, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, you name it!) to Allah's people according to the Koran. Watch out! It only goes to show that religion is nothing but a double-edged sword. Any direction you swing it, it'll hurt people, including yourself.
CBJAMPA 3 months ago 2
@u0tube0video0critic
What in our society /doesn't/ corrupt people? If "corrupting people" was a sin punishable by death, not a single human would be left alive, and that includes Christians.
LunarHelix1 2 months ago
the Bible is manipulated God never commited genocide. sorry for there pagan bastards who are too cowardly to take on Christainity by force, so battle against christainity in complete secrecy. Oh and stop making videos offending christains, really your gonna have a riot outside the window soon.
theFunnierWill211187 3 months ago
@theFunnierWill211187 This is actually very Christian. Thanks for the perfect example of what religion does to the feeble minded.
Greetings from Brazil!
CBJAMPA 3 months ago
I love how the only arguments I find on the comment section are basically people pointing out genocides commited by different religions and races, as if this jusitifies their own genocide at all.
star3catcherSEQUEL 4 months ago
i'm sorry i posted a comment before and didn't answer the real question of the
video which is , will Christians stop defending bible genocide ?
i say never ever , because anyone who accepts the bible as inerrant word of
God , something is wrong with his brain logic accepting the famous equation
3=1 (apparently you need the holy spirit to understand this secret science)
Marsh1418 4 months ago
well , i'm not a christian and God never never never commands genocide .
genocide occurred in the bible after it has been tainted to go along with scribes desires to conquer lands and peoples and to live for free .
i don't know if you read the Qur'an , but what it says about Noah's arc is very different than the bible which is conceived by mortal beings through centuries fortunately we have sophisticated media system in the last century so it won't get tainted anymore but it's too late anyway.
Marsh1418 4 months ago
@Marsh1418
"...God never never never commands genocide ."
No, of course not, God, if there is one, is never for Genocide, the point is, every perpetrator of genocide has justified it as God's will. The NAME of God is invoke by corrupt and greedy mean to justify their actions.
The problem is, people stupidly believe these idiots when they say the speak For and To God.
Anyone who claims to speak To or For God is a liar by default.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
Everyone has to die sometime. I don´t understand why most people consider dying a catastrophy that in fact shouldn´t happen. People get born and people die- an entire circle.
The problem is pain. The pain of the dying and the pain of the empathical observer.
But isn´t it primitive to consider something objectively wrong just because it causes me pain?
I don´t to defend the Bible. It seems to be a book of idiotic fairy tales to me and I don´t get why God first created men who he later killed
VitoPossilipo 4 months ago
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VitoPossilipo 4 months ago
@VitoPossilipo but I neither get this despise concerning dying. If you look in a kaleidoscope and turn its cylinder, old forms vanish and new forms occur- and this is just what happens in the universe- old forms (suns, rocks, living beings, people) disappear and new ones come into existence. Were´s the tragic- cosmologically seen?
Provocation intended.
P.S.: Please excuse, if my English isn´t perfect. I´m German.
VitoPossilipo 4 months ago
FUCK GOD FUCK CHRISTIANS FUCK UGANDA FUCK PC AND FUCK FREE SPEECH HATERS
trey4439 4 months ago
Kill all genocides!
Wait, let me try that again.
Mesarphelous 4 months ago
Bible and god are man made. That's why they reflect so much of our values and vices in them
petion2010 5 months ago 2
I still find it odd that in the good old days, it seemed God was having tea and biscuits with every leader in the world, yet today, not a single sign of him.
Could it be that these people simply wanted to commit genocide, and conveniently claimed that God told them it was OK?
When someone makes the claim "God said..." how do we sort out the liars?
Of course, they are all lying, but for sake of argument we'll assume it is possible for some to tell the truth.
blueboyblue 5 months ago 11
@blueboyblue First off, the "genocide" commited in the bible was acceptable at the time. If you fucked with somebody in the old days and lost, you were sacked. And that is what happens in every case in the bible, the people surrounding Isreal were threatoning the holy land, and so they were delt with. Second off, the people threatoning the "Holy Land" were a lot less civilized then people seem to realize. Sacrafising every families first born to some pagan god was only the tip of the iceburg.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"..."genocide" commited in the bible was acceptable at the time. ...people surrounding Isreal were threatoning the holy land,..."
You have a very convenient and self-serving view of history. Certainly bloody battles have always occurred, bu the absolute and total slaughter of very living thing, even man, woman, child, and animal, is unconscionable in any age.
It is easy to say Mass Genocide it OK, then it is not you being killed.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
Second, the Jew were a stateless people without home or land, they simply wandered in the desert, until the slaughtered and murdered their way into land. And these were not armies they were fighting. They literally went from village to village slaughtering EVERY LIVING THING.
And foolishly justified it by saying that God said it was OK. It is easy to say the most horrible atrocity is OK if you can attribute it to God.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Seriosly, get a clue. What do you think Isreal was? What is Jeruselem? How about the ruins of Solomons temple? And I never said it was OK, I said it was OK 3000 years ago, like I said, back then if you messed with somebody and lost, you got sacked. Also, because this didnt quite sink in, THE PEOPLE THEY KILLED WERE AS BARBARIC AS IT GETS. At least the Jewish God didn't demand human sacrafice.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
How is it the God was having tea & cookie with everyone back then? How is it that every barbaric thug back then was conveniently visited by God, and yet, in the countless centuries sense. God has not so much as spoken to any sane person?
I say 'sane person' because every nut job has no problem communicating with God when it serves their convenient purpose.
How is it God favors his communication on nut jobs and fools?
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Why do you call the most civilized people in their time barbaric thugs? Did anyone else have laws demanding you treat your wives and slaves with respect? Certaintly not the Egyptians nor the Caananites.
To answer your question, the Church approves sitings, and most are rejected, like the idiot who "saw Jesus" in his/her's (i dont even remember) sandwich. Its a whole process, and I am pretty sure there has to be a miracle or something. Oh and Read up on the Fatima children.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"..the most civilized people in their time barbaric thugs? "
Because they were, the slaughtered and murdered their way through the pages of history. Justifying it as God's will.
"...laws demanding you treat your wives and slaves with respect?"
What the law seemingly demands, society does not always provide. The mere fact that they were slave, yet still felt the need to hold slaves of their own is barbaric in and of itself. Not to mention very un-Christian like.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue "Society does not always provide" In this case it did. When an order is recieved from God, breaking it entailed some pretty nasty things, perhaps a famine or two, not to mention swift excecution from someone who catches you. And remember, the people who surrounded them did not have laws protecting their slaves, so no matter how you look at it, the Jews were the lesser of evils.
"Murdered their way" so did like 99% of ancient civilazations, and you canthrowrape in there for them.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
The Children of Fatima -
"... subsequently wore tight cords around their waists to cause themselves pain, performed self-flagellation using stinging nettles, abstained from drinking water on hot days, and performed other works of penance and mortification of the flesh."
Noooo ... that's not the least bit barbaric.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Im glad you caught the point of the story....
It does sound barbaric, but they were doing it to save sinners. Im not arguing about this though, you asked for a miracle that has happend around today, and so I gave it.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
No I didn't ask for a miracle, I simply observed that God was having tea & cookies with every babarian with a grudge to bare, and conveniently he have permission for an killing an slaughter they felt served them.
They did not receive orders from God, they simply used that as an excuse to justify their atrocities, and the countless thousands of people they slaughtered were not bargarians. They lived in town that has social structure and social order.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue "They lived in town that has social structure and social order."
Oh, I see, its ignore facts day, and nobody told me.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"They live in towns..."
"...its ignore the facts day..."
It is in the Bible, they lived in villages and town that had government, commerce, and general social order. They were not barbarian horde rampaging through the country side. Within the context of the day, they lived quiet lives.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
They live in town that has social order until barbarian hordes road in from the desert and began slaughtering everyone. You can claim God said, genocide was OK, but any sane person know that is pure cow dung. The name of God is only invoked when barbarians want to kill people - back then and today.
So, tea & cookies every day with God back then, but not so much as a brunch invitation today. Anyone who claims to talk to God, is a fool talking to a fool.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue If what you are saying is true, then why was there no Isreali empire? Why wouldnt they expand past their tiny borders? Why would their war god (a term I use for Gods that are made to use in war) tell them to destroy civilizations and go back to the small Promised land? I think a War god would have said, "The world is your promised land, now go and conquer everyone." You dont gain anything from genocide, unless you just want to rid yourself of an aggresive enemy in theearlybronzeage.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"...here no Isreali empire..."
There was in Israeli empire, it encompassed a substantial portion of the west bank of the Mediterranean, though by today's standard it was a small empire.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Can you back this allegation up?
RecBookHero 4 months ago
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@RecBookHero
"Can you back this allegation up?"
YES! IT'S IN THE BIBLE!
Try reading it.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) If you can just specify me a time when the Jews attacked someone unprevoked, other then the Caananites (And do not try and tell me they were not barbaric, its not Ignore facts day anymore) whom they first took the Promised land from, I would understand you. Oh, and you still havent addressed an important issue: Are the claims you are giving not a common trend of every civilazation in that time period? What about the Egyptians? How do you think the pyramids were built?
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"...can just specify me a time when the Jews attacked someone unprevoked,"
Read the Bible, it is filled with unprovoked attacks.
"Are the claims you are giving not a common trend of every civilazation in that time period?"
If your friends jump off a bridge would you? Since when is 'everybody is doing it' an excuse for anything?
And how is 'everybody's doing it' a Christian excuse for anything. Killing because everyone is kill doesn't seem very Christian to me.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue Name a few.
And my point wasnt, "That means it was okay for them to do it." It wasthat that was how things were done at the time. If someone attacked you, or threatoned your way of life in any way, you sacked them, and there wasnt a reason not to (according to bronze age morals). The jews were told to kill if the holy land was threatoned, they did not just go about saying: "Oh look, God told me to kill that guy and take his wife", or, "God told me your house is really mine."....
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
Once again the Jews were a stateless landless people wandering the desert. The people they attacked were living quiet lives in towns and villages. Now, how can anyone be confused about who was threatening who here?
Next, if you actually read the Bible, you will see, as I have implied, that God what having tea and cookies with everyone everywhere all the time. People were having more visits from God than I get from the Postman. Seems a little too convenient & unlikely.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) Didnt you just say they had an empire? Look, the Jews lived in Isreal, there were twelve tribes of Jews in Isreal, their capitol was Jeruselem, it had been like for centuries, then the Jews were scattered in the Diaspora. They werent a barbarian horde wandering around the desert saying, "Oh look some philistines, I think God wants us to shoot them in the back and take their gold."....
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) See, as I have told you repeatetly, the Jews were always provoked. Imagine this, you are a Midianite, and worship several gods, participate in ritual orgies once a year, and have even sacrafised your first born to one of those Gods. While you are doing your midianite thing, a large group of people kick out the Caananites, a tribe you were never affiliated with, and settles in their land. They say they came from Egypt, and that they worship only one God, and aside from him...
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) not being one you have heard of, he asks the strangers to do the most odd things. They cant eat pork, they have to wash their hands before meals, he doesnt get pissed when noone is killed every now and then, and he does get pissed if they go to the temple of Hathor every year to get some. They dont seem so strong, not to mention they have the good land now, so you and your midianites attempt to conquer these strange people. But oddly enough, it doesnt work....
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
Sorry to say you have a pretty firm grasp of pseudo-history, but a poor grasp of reality.
All the things you claim these alleged barbarian were doing, might seem wrong and barbaric to you, but they were just normal everyday life back in that day. Thousands of Gods have been worshiped over the many centuries, at that given time, who is to say yours is any better than anyone else's? Who is to say the small minority is right, and the bulk of the known world is wrong.
Arrogance.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue "Sorry to say you have a pretty firm grasp of pseudo-history, but a poor grasp of reality." Your doing a poor job in backing this up.
Double standard if you ask me. The Jews wipe out AGGRESSORS and they are murderers. The pagan tribes kill their young and they were just doing what was acceptable at the time.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"Double standard.. The Jews wipe out AGGRESSORS..."
How were women, innocent children and babies AGGRESSORS?
When I say they wiped out every living thing, I'm not kidding, they showed no mercy to anyone. Most killed were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.
I'm sorry , but you re-write and re-interpret history to match your preconceived conclusions. You are like Republicans who will make up anything to justify their infamy.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) so you make an alliance with the Hithites, and several other pagan tribes who share the same concern about these oddballs, and attack once more, and even so, it doesnt work, and when you attempt to curse them with magic, (which everyone took seriosly at the time) and it doesnt work. Their God must be stronger then ours, you think, and so in an effort to make them piss their God off, you get your women to try and seduce their men into worshipping what they call "idols"...
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) this seems to really get into their leaders skin, who is genuinly concered his soldiers will began to partake in "idol" worshipping. So, after all you have been pissing them off for years now, he rounds up the twelve tribes of Isreal and does what so many seemed to have a habit of doing, they kill all the male midianites, and take the females who have not had sex and therefor could not have tried to seduce, and keep them as wives or slaves. Good thing they had the...
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@blueboyblue (cont) worlds first domestic violance laws, enforced by Yarhweh.
I just feel like I have wasted a lot of time because I havent even addressed all your points, but whatever. The point of all this was to illustrate that if indeed God wasnt really having tea and cookies with Moses, etc, he deffinately was not used for murder but self defence.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
"God was ... deffinately was not used for murder but self defense."
You are laboring under your own delusion. You HAVE TO see murder as self-defense because it is the only way to make sense out of what does not make sense. You have to come up with justifications for atrocities, because your religion fails if you admit to the atrocities.
You are more than welcome to keep defending your delusion, as we live in a free country, just remember though that few people are buy it.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue I just listed a story where the jews were repeatetly attacked before they wiped out the offendors, you have not listed one that shows the opposite. You also havent addressed the fact that the jews did not create an empire, therefore they were not using the God as an offense but rather a way to deal with their aggresive enemies; enemies that needed to be wiped out for a peaceful existance.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero -
The Jews Attacked Unprovoked -
We all know the story of the Jews leaving Egypt to wander in the Desert. What about when they come out of the desert? They wandered 40 years, 2 generation that had never crossed the Jordan River. When they crossed, they slaughtered every living thing. How were those towns who had live peacefully for decades any threat to the Jews?
As to Empire, they did create an empire, it was just a small one. The current empire includes lands they stole.
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue ....for, that would entail some really nasty things. Saying: "God told me to do it." if he really didnt is bearing false witness, and saying the lords name in vain, plus the crime of whatever you did. Also, one moron saying something like that would not have done a thing, people would have asked why the prophet of the time didnt hear Gods supposed message.
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero
Yes, but when your leader says "God told me so" how can you challenge it? God is the 'Scared Cow', he can't be challenge, and if you did challenge the assertion, you would be instantly dead. This is the very convenient way in which alleged Christians control the masses, and always has been. Believe or die!
These assertions were not coming from Street Grubbers, they were coming for leaders who had self-serving agendas of their own. Key word "self-serving".
blueboyblue 4 months ago
@blueboyblue You cant, but as far as the Bible's recordings goes, there was not nearly as much abuse of the God card as there has been in other culters. Take Islam, it litterally says anyone can go out and kill someone if they feel Muslims are being oppressed by that person, and that you go to heaven for it. In Judiasm you only attack when God specifically says to (and he has only, according to scripture, done so against threats), or in self defense of the Holy land. (If it is under attack)....
RecBookHero 4 months ago
I think a lot of "christians" have twisted the original believe WAY out of proportion. I don't think anyone of them actually caught on to what Christ himself was attempting to teach. Just about everything he taught can be broken down into one thing, BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER. Genocide is of course wrong, taking a life is wrong period, self defense or otherwise. I think a lot of what ended up in the bible is bullshit that got passed down and came from a lot of people claiming they heard it from God.
Nesninja85 5 months ago
Stop commenting that the Bible is wrong or bad you Atheist. i'm no christian but i'm sick of all the atheist thinking they are better than everyone else cause your not (your the same(. you are no greater human than everyone else so STFU. its called tolerance.
abcdefg5618 5 months ago
They also attacked the israelites on two seperate occasions.At Rephidim and at Hormah.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
In a later story more Amalekites were killed in another region.Another reason they were getting killed is because the descendant of Agag which was Haman plotted to kill many Jews.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
Zinnia Jones once again fail.The reason that the genocide of the Amalekites happened was because when the Israelites were on there way out of Egypt they were attacked by the Amalekites.This was a time in which the Jews were weak and the Amalekites had gained a reputation for being worse than the Pharaohs of Egypt.A brutal enemy deserves to be fought brutally.Also the Amalekites werent even totally wiped out completely some still existed.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
I support Old Testament genocide, as you call it. However, it's not genocide to kill evil people. It's only genocide when you wipe out a race to rid the world of them, for no reason, or for no good reason. But if an entire people are evil, they should be wiped out. That's my opinion. And no, I can't think of any people today that fall into that category. But back in the old-days, I think it was entirely plausible. People were more tribal back then, and not spread out all over and diverse.
skaggmo 5 months ago
@skaggmo Please, define "tribal" in this context. How does being "tribal" make a group of people more likely to be evil enough to start smashing their children's heads in?
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 Smashing in a child head is evil and fucked up in its self.Im pretty sure an person willing to do soshould be killed or punished themselves.He also wasnt saying that people that are tribal are more evil but he was actually talking about their location on the Earth and the population of humans at that time.He is actually saying that back then people were more nomadic.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine He said it was entirely plausible back in the "old-days" for a group to be evil enough to justify genocide, and the reason for it to be plausible was that "people were more tribal back then".
And you just seem to be dancing around it with other, similarly irrelevant terms, none of which make a decent answer to the question of what it is that makes modern people so much better that we can justify genocide millenia ago, but not on any group around today?
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 It has nothing to do with whether or not people of this time period find it acceptable or not.The only thing that has to be understood is why this genocide(which it wasnt a genocide at all it was a war)happened.The reason it happened was because of provocation.A thing left out of Zinnia`s video.The Israelites were pounced on by the Amalekites when they were weak.They provoked them.So in turn they declared war upon them with no mercy.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine You were responding to my response to some other guy. This argument is going on a tangent.
Meh, anyway - Why it happened can be easily understood, I guess, although I don't know enough about bronze age history to know whether you're right, can even have a decent idea of whether or not you're right from the archaeological record, or are just talking out of your ass, but why it happened doesn't even matter.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine It has everything to do with whether or not people of this time period find it acceptable. We're people of our time period, arguing over whether massacres are justified.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 And whose to say there isnt any group deserving of brutal punishment today? Look at World War 2 and the bombing of Japan by the United States.Japan had joined forces with the Nazis and commited terrible war crimes.They were given a chance to stop but didnt and were bombed.Nazis are still being hunted down today.So would you say that these people who have commited these horrible atrocities arent worthy of being killed themselves?
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine Um... Yeah, yeah I would. See, this is the difference between war and/or judicial punishment, and genocide.
Out of the population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that died horribly painful deaths, I'm pretty sure the people that had commited actual war crimes were outnumbered, by quite a margin, by young children.
Of course, that's when we're treating it as an example of a massacre. The bombings put an end to the war, so were justified, but massacres in general don't bring peace.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 true true it doesnt bring peace
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine Oh, also, it was the guy who I was initially responding to who said that he couldn't think of any people today who deserve to be massacred, I assumed you held the same opinion since, at leastto start with, you were defending that guy's post.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 No im defending his opinion on the idea of evil needed to be punished or destroyed in response to the destruction it has caused.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
@EstacadoConstantine That's a bit irrelevant, since a) I was only complaining about that as a side not anyway and b) I was just pointing out that I'd assumed you agreed with the guy you were defending on a certain point, I already figured out you didn't because that's why I brought it up in the first place.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
@EvansRowan123 oh thats what you meant.i didnt understand you clearly sorry about that.
EstacadoConstantine 5 months ago
lol chek my playlist it goes over this stuff!
matrixlone 6 months ago
The emptiest vessel makes the loudest sound. *glances at FinalJusticeMovement*
xRocketNumber9x 6 months ago
But, uh... atheists (and especially anarcho-atheists)
advocate genocide all the time, particularly in their advocacy of
homosexuality as normal, "healthy", and acceptable, when the
fact remains it is ABnormal, dangerous, and socially divisive.
Atheists and anarcho-atheists ADMIT that homosexuality is
the perfect population control, and what is population control?
A fancy term for "justified" GENOCIDE. Hypocrisy at its finest.
And you expect non-atheists to drink this Kool-Aid, ZJ?
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement Even if homosexuality is a form of population control (viewpoints vary on this) it does NOT make it genocide. There's a word that is associated with population control: "ecology." If you're saying that homosexuality as population control is genocide, then why do you not categorize terminal illnesses as genocide as well? Why are fatal car accidents not also genocide? Genocide is a DELIBERATE act. Homosexuality is NOT deliberate, therefore, not genocide in any form.
coda623 6 months ago
CODA:
"There's a word that is associated with population control: 'ecology.'"
>> Not only did you lose me when you said "ecology", but you also
lost this very argument right then and there.
ECOLOGY is the study of and co-existential relationship between
plant, animal and human LIFE and has NOTHING TO DO with the
systematic imposition or execution of MASS TERMINATION OF LIFE!
BTW, the POVs on homosexuality as a means of population control
DO NOT VARY, especially when atheists co-sign it.
-FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement The reason I mentioned ecology is because a division within ecology is population ecology, which deals with the study of population control. Maybe it's not completely related to the topic at hand, but it just popped into my mind so I mentioned it.
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coda623 6 months ago
CODA:
"The reason I mentioned ecology is because a division within ecology is
population ecology, which deals with the study of population control. Maybe
it's not completely related to the topic at hand, but it just popped into my
mind so I mentioned it."
>> Fair enough. But ecology only relates to "population control" only in
the technicality that derives from the cycle of life -- living things are born,
they live and then they pass away -- the NATURAL population control.
(TBC)
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
"...systematic imposition or execution of MASS TERMINATION OF LIFE!"
Since when is homosexuality even in the same category as the mass termination of life? Is it because they can't reproduce? Sure that's true, but when you say termination of life, that implies there was life to begin with. There is no life to begin with in a homosexual relationship except the life of the two people, so it really is not "mass termination of life."
btw, are you a Christian or an atheist?
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coda623 6 months ago
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement You do know that 99% of the sperm die in a heterosexual relationship as well, assuming they are not using contraception, right? So you should be accusing people of every sexuality of committing genocide. And sperm are also not human creatures, so the killing of sperm is not classified as genocide.
coda623 6 months ago
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
CODA:
"You do know that 99% of the sperm die in a heterosexual relationship
as well, assuming they are not using contraception, right?"
(continued)
>> And no, human sperm is NOT a human "creature", but human sperm
is STILL a living organism, by which in conjunction with the human egg,
it BECOMES a human being.
(to be continued)
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
So, Coda,
when you compare normal, healthy heterpsexual relationships
(which UNITES the genders and has POTENTIAL to bring new life)
with homosexual life (which separates the genders, rendering the
opposite gender inferior by default, definitively PREVENTS new life and
has statistically- and-historically-proven MASSIVE potential to END life),
it isn't hard to deduce (even with a limited knowledge of everyday life)
that homosexualism is a genocidal ideology and a hardcore social detriment.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
CODA:
"[W]hen you say termination of life, that implies there was life to begin
with. There is no life to begin with in a homosexual relationship except
the life of the two people, so it really is not "mass termination of life."
d) The fact that the homosexualist lobby (of which your gracious host here
is a foremost exponent) seeks to convince the world that the defense
of the male/female dynamic is "hateful and bigoted" is indicative of a
genocidal mindset.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement So you don't support homosexuality or rights for homosexual individuals? That makes you just as bad as the people who, decades ago, discriminated based on skin color. What I hate is when religious people like you claim to support civil rights for all people, but when something like this comes up and your "holy book" says otherwise, you immediately become discriminatory. Why do you even watch Zinnia's videos if you don;t agree with her beliefs?
coda623 6 months ago
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
CODA:
[The fact that you don't support homosexuality] makes you just as bad as the
people who, decades ago, discriminated based on skin color."
>> And so goes the classic homo-racist argument.
Thanx for showing your true colors (white, red, and black).
The fact of the matter is that homosexuality is a CONSCIOUS BEHAVIOR
practiced by people of ALL ethnic backgrounds and which is changeable,
while skin color is not. So, for you to compare gayness to skin color
makes you worse than Hitler.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement How do you know that homosexuality is a choice? Are you homosexual? No. So don't assume that it's not a choice just because you THINK it is. There is NO evidence that it is a choice. NONE AT ALL. If I'm wrong, I would like you to provide me with a link to a reputable source (i.e, one NOT contaminated by religious beliefs) that says, based on FACTUAL INFORMATION, that it is a choice.
I expect you'll come up empty handed, and rightly so.
coda623 6 months ago
Like I just told you, Brandon, I am not religious. And I haven't mentioned
one verse of scripture to illustrate my position for you to even draw such an
immediate, biased conclusion. the point of the matter is that homosexuality
is NOT MERELY AN ISSUE OF RELIGION. The only one who has a hangup
on religion is YOU and people of your ilk who consistently protest against
living according to ANY moral, spiritual, and/or ethical code which all go
against self-and socially-destructive mindsets.
-FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
CODA:
"How do you know that homosexuality is a choice? Are you homosexual?
No. So don't assume that it's not a choice just because you THINK it is.
There is NO evidence that it is a choice. NONE AT ALL."
>> You don't have to BE homosexual to know whether or not it's a choice.
Many homosexuals themselves -- the (rare) HONEST ones -- will attest
to that. If a straight individual is approached by a member of the same
gender and engages in a sexual act, that was the CHOICE he or she made.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
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CODA:
"How do you know that homosexuality is a choice? Are you homosexual?
No. So don't assume that it's not a choice just because you THINK it is.
There is NO evidence that it is a choice. NONE AT ALL."
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>> Oh, yes, there is -- a vast majority of which is rooted in COMMON SENSE.
If homosexuality was not a choice, then that would require either a MASSIVE
reduction in the current population or a total extinction of the human race, by
which this wouldn't even be an issue today.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
Furthermore, Brandon, this is not about THINKING homosexuality is a
choice, but rather about KNOWING it's a choice. Consider this:
If homosexuality -- not only a conscious behavior, but a vice -- is not a choice
and is considered a genetic impulse instead, then you'd have to rule out rape,
murder, alcoholism and drug abuse as genetic as well. You can just IMAGINE
the flood of new "anti-bully" laws that would arise from such a conclusion,
but I guess you'd be happy with the outcome, yes?.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement FJ, your reasoning is primitive at its best. You know what? I am gay. I know for a FACT that it is NOT a choice. It is the way I was born. Rapists are not born rapists. Alcoholics occasionally have genetic links, but not often. And drug addictions can only stem from the parents if the mother was a drug addict while pregnant or if the parents do drugs in front of their children regularly. Homosexuality, however, is proven to be an effect of genetics.
coda623 6 months ago 4
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> Homosexuality, however, is proven to be an effect of genetics.
Collins, leader of the Human Genome project, says it's not so.
There are genetic links however, no one could ever deny that, but genes are not magic.
aminatep 6 months ago
@coda623 "I know for a FACT that it is NOT a choice." We all have a choice, and there is no biological evidence to prove that homosexuality is a choice. This is said many times to try make the general public accept homosexuality as just a little mis-copy of a gene.
This, however is not true. Environmental variables may play a role in homosexuality, but will certainly not rid one of the opportunity not to become one.
MrRichard991 5 months ago
@MrRichard991 " there is no biological evidence to prove that homosexuality is a choice. "
You just contradicted yourself. Are you gay? Do you know what it feels like to be gay? Did you "choose" to be straight? I'm guessing your answer to all of those is "no." Make sure you actually know what you are talking about before you come to conclusions, okay?
coda623 5 months ago
@coda623 On the contrary, I know what I am talking about. Against your assumption, I chose not to be a homosexual.
If I look at another's penis long enough, the shock factor will decrease and I will become bisexual, then gay.
MrRichard991 5 months ago
@MrRichard991 So you recall deciding between homo-, bi-, and heterosexuality? I would highly doubt that, unless you are willing to describe that moment when you really remember "deciding."
btw I'll go ahead and guess you're a heterosexual Christian.
coda623 5 months ago
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@coda623 When I hit puberty, I noticed girls seemed to be a lot more attractive than guys. I chose women over guys because of their appearance. I can change my opinion on girls by deluding myself (not saying you did such a thing), and then my opinions will change.
"I'll go ahead and guess you're a heterosexual Christian." Spot on :)
MrRichard991 5 months ago
@coda623 Oh? So they proved it in the past few days? I wasnt aware of that. Last time I checked there was very little scientific data supporitng your claim, and very much scientific data against it. But science changes, so if you please, can you link me your proof?
RecBookHero 4 months ago
@RecBookHero There is scientific data suggesting that some of it may be genetic. Other factors include environmental factors, which is also something uncontrollable in many cases. Fact of the matter is, there is no reason to assume that homosexuals choose to be homosexual, when you really have no experience in this realm of sexuality.
coda623 4 months ago
CODA:
"What I hate is when religious people like you claim to support civil rights
for all people, but when something like this comes up and your "holy book"
says otherwise, you immediately become discriminatory."
>> What I LOVE is when homosexualist opponents and/or adversaries
default to their emotions and their collective ideological scapegoats to
draw incorrect conclusions of where my position is based. In fairness,
the answer to your question is: I am NEITHER religious nor atheist.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
FinalJusticeMovement 6 months ago
@FinalJusticeMovement Homosexuality is population control in the exact same way that contraception and abstinence are population control.
EvansRowan123 5 months ago
I'm a Christian, and I condemn all genocides, including the genocides of the Bible. I also condemn the occupation of Palestine. I don't believe that God truly wants those things. Jesus actually rebelled against the Jewish authorities and their beliefs, which is why they wanted to see him executed.
TribeJudah01Boadie 6 months ago
@TribeJudah01Boadie I agree.
HaModel 6 months ago
All genocide has one thing in common - Gun Control! Genocide has affected so many different cultures. God has never approved Genocide and no Christian has participated in one (true Christians).
stephenabm 6 months ago