Kid would still be alive if his family didn't furnish him alcohol and teach him to not hate cops. God bless the boys in blue for putting their lives on the line to save others.
@popemobil74 United States Department of Justice is taking a serious look at these innocent deaths. You back police tyranny & I stand for individual liberty & freedom from death by "non-lethal" tasers. Truth prevails in the end. I never asked you to believe in me, I informed you of facts concerning innocent lives being destroyed by "convenient" tasers.. American people will not stand for "collateral damage" of innocents deaths by tasers. It is just a matter of time. We win. Lives saved.
@Charlotte333 After this comment I will be done because we are digressing. The United States Justice Department did a serious look into tasers and I showed you what they said "CED use is associated with a significantly lower risk of injury than physical force, so it should be considered as an alternative in situations that would otherwise result in the application of physical force." they also said...
@Charlotte333 There is currently no medical evidence that CEDs pose a significant risk for induced cardiac dysrhythmia in humans when deployed reasonably." You said it was to vague. There might be times when the taser is not deployed reasonably but a vast majority of times it is deployed reasonably. You might not like the police or maybe it is just the taser you do not like but you are also missing another side of tasers that saves the lives of people...
@Charlotte333 There have been times were people have had a knife or a gun ( there was even one case were they had a sword) and the police was able to tase them instead of killing them with a gun. If you look at this issue with an open mind you will see what I am talking about. You dislike tasers from the beginning therefore you were closed minded from the beginning. When I asked to see proof of the tasers deadly effects you sent me anti taser reports...
@Charlotte333 which is not a good source to find. Also there are tasers for civilians to carry the TASER C2. There are videos of people who owe there lives to the taser. I will admit the Taser concept is not perfect. It does come with some danger but so does everything on the police belt. however at this time it is the best we have to defend ourselves and police to defend themselves against threats. With that I bid you a farewell
@popemobil74 Everything I have brought to your attention is real and credible. All y info will stand up in a court of law. Enjoy your gruesome defense of the indefensible as your days are numbered. Americans are pissed off with police brutality and tasers are a large part in that fray, causing unnecessary death. We are winning and we will have our way whether you sadomasochistic types like it or not. We will put taser companies OUT OF BUSINESS. You've been put on notice. MARK MY WORDS.
@Charlotte333 I'll believe it when I see it however right now TASER international is making new tasers and new things for police. Also the justice department found they are useful so I will believe them more then I believe you
@popemobil74 Just know thousands of us are working against YOU and your violent POLICE STATE. We will take away your lethal "non-lethal" tools. Too many dead from tasers. Period. No need for more discussion. You are on the wrong side of this fight. Tasers kill. Spread the word!
@Charlotte333 It is not going to happen because you have nothing criteable to go by a whole lot of circumstantial evidence. The supposed death toll changes every time I hear it this guy on the visit said 500 you say 277 truthnottaser says 110 there is nor a set toll and you can't find anything to prove it that is why they are still on the streets
@popemobil74 I have given you examples of coroner's attributing cause of death to tasers.You still refuse to acknowledge that tasers are occasionally lethal, therefore not "non-lethal" nor safe due to uncertainty of how any one individual will respond. It is morally wrong for police to assault people with potentially lethal force.The medical diagnostic manual you site is inferior, not genuinely applicable nor is it based on tangible science rather subjective voting. Tasers will be taken away.
1) Attributing cause of death is the same as secondary cause of death. I asked for a sole cause of death. Tasers have been the secondary/attributing cause of death before.
2) I am confused on what you mean "morally worng for police to assault people with potentially lethal force" are you saying police should not defend themselves with a gun if they have no other way also a baton can be deadly if hit to the head should they not carry that as well?
5) Tasers have saved the lives of police and citizens a like many of times there for I believe Tasers will not be taken away and the United States Justice department also agrees with me.
@popemobil74 SLT-"... Police officers using stun guns should avoid shooting people multiple times or for prolonged periods to reduce the risk of potential injury or death, according to a U.S. Department of Justice study prompted by hundreds of police-involved deaths across the country. Coroners and other medical experts on the study panel concluded that while the effects of prolonged and repeated stun gun use on the body are not fully understood, most deaths officially attributed to Tasers ..."
@Charlotte333 Let me try to get all of this in one again
1)DSM is used by most if not all psychologist to help identify mental illness and there for I find it a valid source
2) Brian Cardall died from a mixture of his mental illness and the taser not directly because of the taser. I will admit though I do not agree with the use of the taser in this situation.
3) A news website is not a valid source
4) The North Carolina Taseing is still to new to say about the taser. I will be watching...
@Charlotte333 this to see were it goes. However I feel that there will be more on this in the following weeks
5) I do agree that many hits by the taser could be harmful. However in some cases there is no other way. There should always be about 10-30 seconds between re shocking them with a taser. However like a said before some times the situation does not allow that.
@Charlotte333 Also something that confuses me about the North Carolina case is a lot of sites are saying it was a stun gun which are completely different then a taser so if it was a stun gun and not a taser then the case has noting to do with a taser also stun guns can omit a high level of volts some reaching in the millions and they are not like the taser. The taser cuts off after 5 seconds stun guns keep going until you let go of the switch
@popemobil74 USA – North Carolina Autopsy confirms inmate killed by Taser (2011-06-14)
[[SUMMARY / COMMENTS: "Given the autopsy and investigative findings, it is our opinion that the cause of death is complications of conducted energy device application," the Chief Medical Examiner reports. The medical examiner's report said Brandon Jolvon Bethea suffered from schizophrenia and asthma."]]
@popemobil74 The Salt Lake Tribune (19 November 2009) - A Taser that twice shocked Brian Cardall contributed to or caused heart irregularities in the 32-year-old man that led to his death on the side of southern Utah highway in June, the Utah Medical Examiner's Office has ruled.
@@popemobil74 Non-lethal, means non-lethal, not "usually" non-lethal and that is what tasers represent occasionally lethal. That alone is sufficient to sway a fair legal minded individual. Research the DSM before you lean on that rickety fence. It is a non scientific discipline, based on subjective opinion. End of story. I know when it comes to life and death there is no room for this vagueness you so readily accept. I do not accept collateral damage or failures of tools. Tasers are a failure.
@popemobil74 Thousands object to "excited delirium" hypothesis. Facts of tasers are indefensible. You are on the losing side, it is only a matter of time. I am one of thousands of activists who will get tasers out of the polices "tool box". I stand by my assertion tasers make police lazy, ineffective and potential murders. Tasers are proven lethal and that is the bottom line. Psychiatry is not the right science to lean on as it is a discipline which does not use the scientific method.
@popemobil74 Tasers do not meet the requirement of the "non-lethal". It took only one death to prove this but we have hundreds documented & likely hundreds perhaps thousands that are not being tracked. After taser some die of a heart failure (another massively magnetic and energetic body part critical to life), another of brain seizure/death, another epileptic shock, who cares? These multiple deaths prove they cannot be considered "non-lethal" & are extremely dangerous to the public at large.
@popemobil74 It is well established psychiatry is a racket, a joke, literally NOT based on testable science but subjective opinion that changes decade to decade based on making money off drugs.The brain is moist & fragile encapsulated in a thick skull. Our brains are not designed to accept electrical shock. Even lowest voltage or amperage can cause brain death. Synapses pass some form of signal among themselves, tasers do impact the brain, likely killing these vital synapses required for life.
@popemobil74 Wiki"...Of the authors who selected and defined the DSM-IV psychiatric disorders, roughly half had had financial relationships with the pharmaceutical industry at one time, raising the prospect of a direct conflict of interest. ..." Brain science is not as far along as psychiatry would have us believe. You can test a bacteria, you cannot test a "chemical imbalance" in the brain. You cannot test for "excited delirium" it is a SUBJECTIVE OPINION not based on REAL TESTABLE SCIENCE.
@popemobil74 Police Policy #1 Do not use tasers on drunk people or people with mental illness as per you people with "excited delirium" are more likely to die when tasered and this is accepted by the new improved VOTED upon SUBJECTIVE Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to be released V. The Emergency room doctors also agree, taser a person with "excited delirium" and they are more likely to die when tasered. How can you tell if one suffers "excited delirium"? Who to tase?
@Charlotte333 I am going to try and get this all in one statement
1) You need to make up your mind on the DSM. Were did you fine the police policy? Police who go to the call may have some incite on the person beside it is very easy to tell who has a serious mental disorder.
2) a chemical imbalance is only one theory to mental illness there is a slew of other things that could cause excited delirium
3) Psychiatry is a medical profession that helps many people overcome mental illness...
@Charlotte333 by saying that psychiatry is a joke then you are saying all forms of mental illness is a joke. I think people who have relatives that have schizophrenia will disagree with you.
4)Explain to me how a 14 year old girl got hit with a taser in the head and lived if they effect the brain that much then she should have died.
5) You have yet to eplain why most who die, die after 2-3 days after being hit by the taser. You also have yet to bring me one Medical Examiners report that...
@Charlotte333 shows that the taser was the direct/sole cause of death the one thing I said form the begingin that I would look at and change my mind.
6) "extremely dangerous to the public at large" I think you are over doing it you are saying 277 deaths over a 6 year time is extremely dangerous to the public at large. The common cold kills about 36,000 a year that is much more dangerous
7) You argue like Scientist you tell half truths and lies and only use a source as a valid if it fits..
@Charlotte333 what you are wanting to say. You hate psychology and yet you do not understand it.
Show me one Medical Examiners report showing that a taser was a sole cause of death and I will then retract my statements and say that they are deadly however you have yet to show me anything expect false statements and half truths. You use the DSM when it fits your need the discredit it when you no longer need it.
If you want to debate I will but bring something valid
@popemobil74 Why not go talk to the hundreds of dead victims families & ask them whether or not tasers are lethal?The grave stones tell the story but you don't want to face reality, you want to mince words & blame victims.No one dies of this made up psychological disorder until a taser enters the equation.People like you who make excuses when staring at facts are damned scary to fact driven, logical scientific minded people like me.Tasers have already lost public approval; they kill.Tick-tock...
@Charlotte333 Wow you think highly of yourself don't you? Okay then here is were I disprove you. A 50,000 volt taser is .12 amps and once it is fired it looses amps and drops to .07 amps. An AED uses 250-300 amps. So explain to me how less the 1 tenth of an amp is enough to kill someone also please explain why it usually takes 2-3 days before a person dies. Also explain how excited delirium is a "made up psychological disorder"when the two association accept it as a valid disorder? including M.E
The brain controls all functions of the body. Without the brain your body can not function here is what excited delirium is commonly found among people with mental illness or those who over used drugs or alcohol or head trauma which all effect the mind that is how it is a psychology disorder also how can you call the DSM not DSMMD a farce in one statement but use it as a valid source in another. Look up excited delirium in wiki and you will see what i mean oh and no taser is not deadly
@popemobil74 DSMMD is actually a farce, a thing that is subjective & voted upon every so many years. "Excited delirium" results is death, not a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorders. BRAIN DEATH is a lot different that anything psychological & don't understand how it could end up in that book. I doubt it is incorporated into a psychological diagnosis manuel. Tasers result in death & that's PHYSICAL. The FACT is that tasers cause death therefore they cannot be "non-lethal". Well over 277 deaths already.
@Charlotte333 The brain controls all functions of the body. Without the brain your body can not function here is what excited delirium is commonly found among people with mental illness or those who over used drugs or alcohol or head trauma which all effect the mind that is how it is a psychology disorder also how can you call the DSM not DSMMD a farce in one statement but use it as a valid source in another. Look up excited delirium in wiki and you will see what i mean. tasers are not deadly
@popemobil74 From wiki "...head of the U.S. southern regional office of Amnesty International... reported that 277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 & Oct 2007, which has already been documented." "several legislators in the U.S. have filed bills clamping down on them & requesting more studies on their effects"... "excited delirium" is not a valid medical term & is not listed in the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders."
@Charlotte333 The DSM came out in 1994 and was revised in 2000 and it said that there was " No official policy" on excited delirium However the DSM has a new book coming out the DSM-5 in may of 2013. The National Association of Medical Examiners and American College of Emergency Physicians have accepted the term excited delirium. As for the Amnesty I clicked on the link and the report was removed from their website. I ask you have you ever been hit by a TASER? Have you been maced?
@popemobil74 Your beliefs and civilian reaction to the militarization of the police force are not the same thing. I am appalled that you think 3 innocent deaths is acceptable. Three deaths that you know of is just the tip of the ice berg. Trust me, we are gathering up the facts that police bureaucrats must answer and will have taser removed from the police officers tool set. It is just a matter of time. Police serve us not the other way around.
@Charlotte333 No innocent death is acceptable. You misunderstand my statement I was simply saying I know of 3 cases were an officer misused the TASER and in those cases the person didn't die. Seance TASERs have been around the assault on police officers have dropped dramatically that is why I do not see TASERs going away anytime soon. No one has died directly by the shock. The young man died from a psychological disorder known as "excited delirium"
@popemobil74 "when deployed reasonably". Damn vague and too much room for police brutality. How about if a drunk unarmed 15yr old is simply tackled, subdued? No, no let's taze the obnoxious punk and "show him whose boss". You're not going to win. It's only a matter of time before they are labeled TOO potentially lethal & that they will be banned. Back to physically fit police officers who can easily handle an unarmed drunk 15 year old, instead using lethal force that resulted in his death.
@Charlotte333 I do not believe that TASERs are going to be removed anytime soon. The fitness of the officers have nothing to do with this case. The officers are trained to use the TASER before using any other type of force. Beside a TASER hurts but it is not as bad as people would have you believe. I have been hit by one to get my license, and yes there has been cases were an officer misused the TASER but those are rare in fact I only know of 3 cases were that has happened.
Do some research taser has NEVER been the SOLE cause of death all tasers have been tested on pacemakers. Learn about the product before saying it is deadly.
@popemobil74 There are multiple reasons why a person will die from electrical shock or electrocution. Testing on "pace makers" means nothing. Statistics are stacking up- tasers kill people far too often to be classified "non-lethal". Statistics are being kept & they will be taken from the police eventually. I imagine the cops where not physically fit, the reason they went for the most "bush button" answer. They were so unfit they could not subdue a DRUNK 15 year old. Drunks are slow & sloppy.
@Charlotte333 So your argument is 3 police officers should have man handled a 15 year old to arrest him? What happened to this boy was a tragedy I feel truly sorry for his friends and family. How ever these "Statistics" are not found on the internet how what is found is the Justice Department report of the TASER and found that there was There is currently no medical evidence that CEDs pose a significant risk for induced cardiac dysrhythmia in humans when deployed reasonably."
@Charlotte333 (sorry couldnt fit it all in one) and it also says"CED use is associated with a significantly lower risk of injury than physical force, so it should be considered as an alternative in situations that would otherwise result in the application of physical force." Just google" u s justice department report on taser" However if you can find one M.E. report where they state that the TASER was the sole cause of death i will retract my statement. I find it fair though that you do the same
Oh, poor Brett Elder.....drunk as hell, screaming at the top of his lungs so someone called the cops....and what did he do? Calm down and go inside the house? NOPE...attacked a cop....did ya know how drunk he was? 15yrs old and attacking cops? LOL Yeah, just who we need walking the streets all hours of the nights....GREAT PARENTING....East side of BC is a shithole.
This guy is an idiot. Tasers are not lethal force. Tasers have been tested hundreds of thousands of times with no problems. It has been determined that the deaths that have occurred when the Tasers have been used, have been caused by other medical causes and not the Taser.
@Bucky7140 yo dip shit when police are unable to subdue and decide to tazer elderly women with blood pressure issues and already has problems walking they taser the fuck outta her and she dies soon after that would be ok by you?!?!?! cops are dumb as fuck that shit is not needed if your to much of a fucking pussy to subdue a DRUNK! 15 yr old boy you dont belong on the force
@crashdummy40 how can you compare and elderly woman with blood pressure issues to a 15 year old boy? cops are dumb as fuck? I think you better bring your uneducated ass back to school. By the way, were you there? Do you know how big the 15 year old was? Do you know if he was armed? We already know he was drunk and going after family members. What adult lets their 15 year old get drunk? If the cops would've hurt him by going hands on with the hood rat, the family would've sued.Get a reality check
@Bucky7140 they want to sue you dumbass the kid is fucking tiny iv seen pics of him in both of these cases they could of easily took them down (i hope lmao) with out a taser and it would be safer, but instead they taser his ass and he died this should be obvious that they did not DO THERE JOB
The 5-foot-2, 110-pound Mitchell died after being shot once with a Taser, which delivers a 50,000-volt electric charge. The Macomb County medical examiner's office says an autopsy report has not yet been completed. The Warren Police Department's internal affairs office ruled the use of the Taser was justified, and the officers involved in his death are back on the job. video evidence showing he wasnt doing anything to tased here another so called non leathal death
@crashdummy40 50,000 volts but the amps that it puts out is less than a Christmas tree light. Educate yourself about the taser before making the decision to rip it apart. By the way, where is this "evidence" showing he wasnt doing anything to be tased? I would like to see this.
@Bucky7140 edjucate my self lol dude your a moron there has been many deaths by the so called safe taser well in the hundreds the numbers speak for itself he ran he didnt do anything illegal and was mentally handicapped his cousin was pulled over for a expired license plate there was no excuse the only illegal thing happend was oh yea my tabs are old sorry so go ahead and kill my little cousin there is a lawsuit it was all over cnn
@crashdummy40 There are hundreds of ACCUSATIONS that the taser killed someone. How many medical examiners have stated that the cause of death was due to the taser? Not hundreds. The cause of death is always due to another existing medical condition.
@Bucky7140 yes hundreds by the taser meaning if they werent tased they would still be fucking alive i gave you multiple stories where cops abused there power 90% of the cops i know are morons power hungry ignorant arrogant harassing assholes iv been arrested twice and did nothing wrong harassed multiple times iv watched them plant shit in my friends car stole $300 from me iv seen YT them tase ppl holding babies 1 WAS A NEWBORN AT A HOSPITAL so yea forgive me if i had a putrid hatred for cops
@crashdummy40 You still haven't addressed the issue if you know if this kid was armed? I think I know the other video you are talking about with the elderly woman. In that case, she had a knife in her hand. You keep talking about the size of the subjects involved in these cases but if they have a gun, a bat, a knife or any other kind of weapon, it changes the entire situation. Size of someone is only one aspect that goes into determining when to use a taser.
@Bucky7140 there are multiple instances where they have used the taser on OLD ppl a 72 year old woman was tasered WTF what kinda coward does that she had no weapon officer was being a prick like most cops are them and there little power trip you are blind to the world around you dude harrassment is illegal oh wait unless your a cop freedom of speach HA! right cops can intimidate and bully people call them names exercise there verbal freedom can we nooo we get tackled and arrested for it
@crashdummy40 For how many thousands of times that the taser is deployed in a day through the US, there is always going to be a few officers who don't deploy the taser the way it should be. Just like in any corporation, there is always going to be a few bad people. I'm not saying that every officer is good, but the few bad ones cause the rest to look bad. In this incident of the 15 year old, I haven't seen or heard anything to show the officers did anything wrong. I'm still waiting for this.
@Bucky7140 yea i know all cops arent bad i happen to like a couple man but the bad is out weighing the good around here the cop that stole money from me was forced to retire after ripping off god knows how many ppl but get this they give him a 30,000 doller bonus thats bullshit man i happen to like 3 specific cops when i say cops should be hung scalped fired or other things why would i want that to happen to the good ones pigs are just criminals with a badge
@Bucky7140 57Yr Old Teacher From Georgia Gets Tasered 12 Times By Cops After Calling 911 Because Of A Burglar heres a great video of power hungry dbag cops lucky for me this site is full of videos to prove my theory
This guys is such an ass. Bad things and accidents happen. People die. But at the end of the day, expecting cops to fist fight criminals for a living is ludicrous...tazers are much safer than hand to hand combat for all those involved. Tazers are completely justified if they prevent a fight.
I heard the police officer could have overpowered this kid physically, but didn't "want to get his uniform dirty." I can't believe we have officers like this on our force. Actually, I can. I have heard some appalling stories of abuse and police brutality on the part of the Bay City Police. It's good to see our tax money is being put to good use.
Obviously I feel bad for the family and friends of this boy who was tasered and died, but can you imagine what type of help this police officer is going threw every day of the rest of his life? He didn't want to take the life of a 15 year old kid. He was just called by the family to contain this kid. He didn't wake up that morning saying "Damn, I hope I kill someone today". It's just a sad situation. It shouldn't have happend, but will you stop shit talking this guy?
@insaneXemoXgirl Unfortunately your wrong . I have rode with many of our so called humane police officers while on duty and 99% of them have people already picked out , wishing that they would do something so that they could kill them . I know , I heard them and seen them . Our police nowdays are nothing more than legalized murders .
@Bucky7140 No , I was riding along with a typical American police dept , not the Libian army . The officer I was riding with was once a Los Angeles County Sherriffs Deputy who quit and moved to Price , Utah to become a police officer there . I rode with this officer quite a few times and he would pick certain people out and tell me that he wishes that they would do something wrong so that he could kill them . I know other officers who tell me the same thing . This is not right !
The problem lies with the parents. 15 year old out of control kid drunk? Where are the adults that are supposed to have their kids under control. allowing them to drink and act like retards. Point made if the kids were not drinking the plice would have never been called. Parents fault. Its sad that the young man died but when you let the youth run wild who knows whats going to happen. Cry and whine baby babybomers, your the worst generation ever.
my friend was the host of this party, and he said that yeah the kid was getting violent and had every right to be tazed, but he didn't die from the tazer. he died because when he was tazed, already cuffed, and on the brink of unconsciousness. he didn't die from the tazer, he died from suffocating on his own throw up.
I stand by my statement. When a person appears to be violently drunk, those who are asked to restore order know their actions can be dangerous. Is a tazer more dangerous than tripping up the drunk as you take him down? Probably not. And Nessagirl seems to still live in that childlike fantasy world where teens are supposedly innocent little victims. Lots of teenagers have committed murder. I cut them no slack. If you are a threat to me or an officer, prepare to be dealt with as an adult, period.
If this kid were drunk and violent, normally I would just knock him on his butt. Is there a small chance he will hit his head when he goes down and die? Yep. Is there a chance I would die if I let him knock me down and I hit my head? Yep. So ... if you provoke violence, there is a chance you will die. Live and learn. Taser, or a good whallop from a fist or baton, can lead to death, so as far as I am concerned, if the officer is afraid, TAZE away.
A teaser was necessary force for a 15 year old boy? Three officers cant subdue a 15 year old boy nearly 16, then I would hate to see what they do to a full grown man. Brett Elders birthday was about a week after his death, but Im glad that people can say he deserved to die without knowing him. Who gave you the right to judge him without knowing him. If drinking and fighting is enough wrong to die I hope you all are perfect.
if you can't subdue a 15 year old... Don't be a cop LOL that is all. Cops go through how much training? they have the upper hand in cqc wtf is going on?
1. A police baton is considered lethal force in USA if you hit above shoulders.
2. What happened to pepper spray and police banton? Tasers are used much more often than guns were used before taser was introduced. Taser is currently a replacement for pepper spray and police banton.
3> where I live taser is treated as lethal weapon. Each case of taser employment is investigated the same way a firearm use would be.
A pepper/OC spray is for passive resistance or greater than. It takes a few seconds for the burns to take effect. If you're going to fight the police officer, they have the right to use a TASER.
Yes - people have died in the past from this instrument but from what I hear: in this case, this person could have died from suffocation due to his reaction from vomiting and his positioning.
The choice for an officer to carry is either a TASER or a baton usually but OC sprays are always around.
Instead of speculation, why don't you submit a F.O.I.A. request for the departments policy. Question it. I just have one question in return? If your questions are answered, favoring the use of Tazers rather than other control devices, or techniques, would you change your mind? You present a lot of information, but much of it is inacurate. Such as policy, or lack there of, and general knowledge of the Tazer for instance. Such as the recording, Tazers do record data every time its used.
well the men in blue settled out of court this month and it cost us tax payers more money for there taser use
upandabove567 6 months ago
Kid would still be alive if his family didn't furnish him alcohol and teach him to not hate cops. God bless the boys in blue for putting their lives on the line to save others.
MalFunkShun9339 6 months ago
@popemobil74 United States Department of Justice is taking a serious look at these innocent deaths. You back police tyranny & I stand for individual liberty & freedom from death by "non-lethal" tasers. Truth prevails in the end. I never asked you to believe in me, I informed you of facts concerning innocent lives being destroyed by "convenient" tasers.. American people will not stand for "collateral damage" of innocents deaths by tasers. It is just a matter of time. We win. Lives saved.
Charlotte333 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 After this comment I will be done because we are digressing. The United States Justice Department did a serious look into tasers and I showed you what they said "CED use is associated with a significantly lower risk of injury than physical force, so it should be considered as an alternative in situations that would otherwise result in the application of physical force." they also said...
popemobil74 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 There is currently no medical evidence that CEDs pose a significant risk for induced cardiac dysrhythmia in humans when deployed reasonably." You said it was to vague. There might be times when the taser is not deployed reasonably but a vast majority of times it is deployed reasonably. You might not like the police or maybe it is just the taser you do not like but you are also missing another side of tasers that saves the lives of people...
popemobil74 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 There have been times were people have had a knife or a gun ( there was even one case were they had a sword) and the police was able to tase them instead of killing them with a gun. If you look at this issue with an open mind you will see what I am talking about. You dislike tasers from the beginning therefore you were closed minded from the beginning. When I asked to see proof of the tasers deadly effects you sent me anti taser reports...
popemobil74 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 which is not a good source to find. Also there are tasers for civilians to carry the TASER C2. There are videos of people who owe there lives to the taser. I will admit the Taser concept is not perfect. It does come with some danger but so does everything on the police belt. however at this time it is the best we have to defend ourselves and police to defend themselves against threats. With that I bid you a farewell
popemobil74 8 months ago
@popemobil74 Everything I have brought to your attention is real and credible. All y info will stand up in a court of law. Enjoy your gruesome defense of the indefensible as your days are numbered. Americans are pissed off with police brutality and tasers are a large part in that fray, causing unnecessary death. We are winning and we will have our way whether you sadomasochistic types like it or not. We will put taser companies OUT OF BUSINESS. You've been put on notice. MARK MY WORDS.
Charlotte333 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 I'll believe it when I see it however right now TASER international is making new tasers and new things for police. Also the justice department found they are useful so I will believe them more then I believe you
popemobil74 8 months ago
@popemobil74 Just know thousands of us are working against YOU and your violent POLICE STATE. We will take away your lethal "non-lethal" tools. Too many dead from tasers. Period. No need for more discussion. You are on the wrong side of this fight. Tasers kill. Spread the word!
Charlotte333 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 It is not going to happen because you have nothing criteable to go by a whole lot of circumstantial evidence. The supposed death toll changes every time I hear it this guy on the visit said 500 you say 277 truthnottaser says 110 there is nor a set toll and you can't find anything to prove it that is why they are still on the streets
popemobil74 8 months ago
@popemobil74 I have given you examples of coroner's attributing cause of death to tasers.You still refuse to acknowledge that tasers are occasionally lethal, therefore not "non-lethal" nor safe due to uncertainty of how any one individual will respond. It is morally wrong for police to assault people with potentially lethal force.The medical diagnostic manual you site is inferior, not genuinely applicable nor is it based on tangible science rather subjective voting. Tasers will be taken away.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333
1) Attributing cause of death is the same as secondary cause of death. I asked for a sole cause of death. Tasers have been the secondary/attributing cause of death before.
2) I am confused on what you mean "morally worng for police to assault people with potentially lethal force" are you saying police should not defend themselves with a gun if they have no other way also a baton can be deadly if hit to the head should they not carry that as well?
3) Do you think psychology...
popemobil74 8 months ago
@Charlotte333 is a creditable profession?
5) Tasers have saved the lives of police and citizens a like many of times there for I believe Tasers will not be taken away and the United States Justice department also agrees with me.
popemobil74 8 months ago
@popemobil74 SLT-"... Police officers using stun guns should avoid shooting people multiple times or for prolonged periods to reduce the risk of potential injury or death, according to a U.S. Department of Justice study prompted by hundreds of police-involved deaths across the country. Coroners and other medical experts on the study panel concluded that while the effects of prolonged and repeated stun gun use on the body are not fully understood, most deaths officially attributed to Tasers ..."
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 Let me try to get all of this in one again
1)DSM is used by most if not all psychologist to help identify mental illness and there for I find it a valid source
2) Brian Cardall died from a mixture of his mental illness and the taser not directly because of the taser. I will admit though I do not agree with the use of the taser in this situation.
3) A news website is not a valid source
4) The North Carolina Taseing is still to new to say about the taser. I will be watching...
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 this to see were it goes. However I feel that there will be more on this in the following weeks
5) I do agree that many hits by the taser could be harmful. However in some cases there is no other way. There should always be about 10-30 seconds between re shocking them with a taser. However like a said before some times the situation does not allow that.
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 Also something that confuses me about the North Carolina case is a lot of sites are saying it was a stun gun which are completely different then a taser so if it was a stun gun and not a taser then the case has noting to do with a taser also stun guns can omit a high level of volts some reaching in the millions and they are not like the taser. The taser cuts off after 5 seconds stun guns keep going until you let go of the switch
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 USA – North Carolina Autopsy confirms inmate killed by Taser (2011-06-14)
[[SUMMARY / COMMENTS: "Given the autopsy and investigative findings, it is our opinion that the cause of death is complications of conducted energy device application," the Chief Medical Examiner reports. The medical examiner's report said Brandon Jolvon Bethea suffered from schizophrenia and asthma."]]
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 The Salt Lake Tribune (19 November 2009) - A Taser that twice shocked Brian Cardall contributed to or caused heart irregularities in the 32-year-old man that led to his death on the side of southern Utah highway in June, the Utah Medical Examiner's Office has ruled.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@@popemobil74 Non-lethal, means non-lethal, not "usually" non-lethal and that is what tasers represent occasionally lethal. That alone is sufficient to sway a fair legal minded individual. Research the DSM before you lean on that rickety fence. It is a non scientific discipline, based on subjective opinion. End of story. I know when it comes to life and death there is no room for this vagueness you so readily accept. I do not accept collateral damage or failures of tools. Tasers are a failure.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Thousands object to "excited delirium" hypothesis. Facts of tasers are indefensible. You are on the losing side, it is only a matter of time. I am one of thousands of activists who will get tasers out of the polices "tool box". I stand by my assertion tasers make police lazy, ineffective and potential murders. Tasers are proven lethal and that is the bottom line. Psychiatry is not the right science to lean on as it is a discipline which does not use the scientific method.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Tasers do not meet the requirement of the "non-lethal". It took only one death to prove this but we have hundreds documented & likely hundreds perhaps thousands that are not being tracked. After taser some die of a heart failure (another massively magnetic and energetic body part critical to life), another of brain seizure/death, another epileptic shock, who cares? These multiple deaths prove they cannot be considered "non-lethal" & are extremely dangerous to the public at large.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 It is well established psychiatry is a racket, a joke, literally NOT based on testable science but subjective opinion that changes decade to decade based on making money off drugs.The brain is moist & fragile encapsulated in a thick skull. Our brains are not designed to accept electrical shock. Even lowest voltage or amperage can cause brain death. Synapses pass some form of signal among themselves, tasers do impact the brain, likely killing these vital synapses required for life.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Wiki"...Of the authors who selected and defined the DSM-IV psychiatric disorders, roughly half had had financial relationships with the pharmaceutical industry at one time, raising the prospect of a direct conflict of interest. ..." Brain science is not as far along as psychiatry would have us believe. You can test a bacteria, you cannot test a "chemical imbalance" in the brain. You cannot test for "excited delirium" it is a SUBJECTIVE OPINION not based on REAL TESTABLE SCIENCE.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Police Policy #1 Do not use tasers on drunk people or people with mental illness as per you people with "excited delirium" are more likely to die when tasered and this is accepted by the new improved VOTED upon SUBJECTIVE Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to be released V. The Emergency room doctors also agree, taser a person with "excited delirium" and they are more likely to die when tasered. How can you tell if one suffers "excited delirium"? Who to tase?
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 I am going to try and get this all in one statement
1) You need to make up your mind on the DSM. Were did you fine the police policy? Police who go to the call may have some incite on the person beside it is very easy to tell who has a serious mental disorder.
2) a chemical imbalance is only one theory to mental illness there is a slew of other things that could cause excited delirium
3) Psychiatry is a medical profession that helps many people overcome mental illness...
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 by saying that psychiatry is a joke then you are saying all forms of mental illness is a joke. I think people who have relatives that have schizophrenia will disagree with you.
4)Explain to me how a 14 year old girl got hit with a taser in the head and lived if they effect the brain that much then she should have died.
5) You have yet to eplain why most who die, die after 2-3 days after being hit by the taser. You also have yet to bring me one Medical Examiners report that...
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 shows that the taser was the direct/sole cause of death the one thing I said form the begingin that I would look at and change my mind.
6) "extremely dangerous to the public at large" I think you are over doing it you are saying 277 deaths over a 6 year time is extremely dangerous to the public at large. The common cold kills about 36,000 a year that is much more dangerous
7) You argue like Scientist you tell half truths and lies and only use a source as a valid if it fits..
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 what you are wanting to say. You hate psychology and yet you do not understand it.
Show me one Medical Examiners report showing that a taser was a sole cause of death and I will then retract my statements and say that they are deadly however you have yet to show me anything expect false statements and half truths. You use the DSM when it fits your need the discredit it when you no longer need it.
If you want to debate I will but bring something valid
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Why not go talk to the hundreds of dead victims families & ask them whether or not tasers are lethal?The grave stones tell the story but you don't want to face reality, you want to mince words & blame victims.No one dies of this made up psychological disorder until a taser enters the equation.People like you who make excuses when staring at facts are damned scary to fact driven, logical scientific minded people like me.Tasers have already lost public approval; they kill.Tick-tock...
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 Wow you think highly of yourself don't you? Okay then here is were I disprove you. A 50,000 volt taser is .12 amps and once it is fired it looses amps and drops to .07 amps. An AED uses 250-300 amps. So explain to me how less the 1 tenth of an amp is enough to kill someone also please explain why it usually takes 2-3 days before a person dies. Also explain how excited delirium is a "made up psychological disorder"when the two association accept it as a valid disorder? including M.E
popemobil74 9 months ago
The brain controls all functions of the body. Without the brain your body can not function here is what excited delirium is commonly found among people with mental illness or those who over used drugs or alcohol or head trauma which all effect the mind that is how it is a psychology disorder also how can you call the DSM not DSMMD a farce in one statement but use it as a valid source in another. Look up excited delirium in wiki and you will see what i mean oh and no taser is not deadly
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 DSMMD is actually a farce, a thing that is subjective & voted upon every so many years. "Excited delirium" results is death, not a PSYCHOLOGICAL disorders. BRAIN DEATH is a lot different that anything psychological & don't understand how it could end up in that book. I doubt it is incorporated into a psychological diagnosis manuel. Tasers result in death & that's PHYSICAL. The FACT is that tasers cause death therefore they cannot be "non-lethal". Well over 277 deaths already.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 The brain controls all functions of the body. Without the brain your body can not function here is what excited delirium is commonly found among people with mental illness or those who over used drugs or alcohol or head trauma which all effect the mind that is how it is a psychology disorder also how can you call the DSM not DSMMD a farce in one statement but use it as a valid source in another. Look up excited delirium in wiki and you will see what i mean. tasers are not deadly
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 From wiki "...head of the U.S. southern regional office of Amnesty International... reported that 277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 & Oct 2007, which has already been documented." "several legislators in the U.S. have filed bills clamping down on them & requesting more studies on their effects"... "excited delirium" is not a valid medical term & is not listed in the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders."
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 The DSM came out in 1994 and was revised in 2000 and it said that there was " No official policy" on excited delirium However the DSM has a new book coming out the DSM-5 in may of 2013. The National Association of Medical Examiners and American College of Emergency Physicians have accepted the term excited delirium. As for the Amnesty I clicked on the link and the report was removed from their website. I ask you have you ever been hit by a TASER? Have you been maced?
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 Your beliefs and civilian reaction to the militarization of the police force are not the same thing. I am appalled that you think 3 innocent deaths is acceptable. Three deaths that you know of is just the tip of the ice berg. Trust me, we are gathering up the facts that police bureaucrats must answer and will have taser removed from the police officers tool set. It is just a matter of time. Police serve us not the other way around.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 No innocent death is acceptable. You misunderstand my statement I was simply saying I know of 3 cases were an officer misused the TASER and in those cases the person didn't die. Seance TASERs have been around the assault on police officers have dropped dramatically that is why I do not see TASERs going away anytime soon. No one has died directly by the shock. The young man died from a psychological disorder known as "excited delirium"
popemobil74 9 months ago
@popemobil74 "when deployed reasonably". Damn vague and too much room for police brutality. How about if a drunk unarmed 15yr old is simply tackled, subdued? No, no let's taze the obnoxious punk and "show him whose boss". You're not going to win. It's only a matter of time before they are labeled TOO potentially lethal & that they will be banned. Back to physically fit police officers who can easily handle an unarmed drunk 15 year old, instead using lethal force that resulted in his death.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 I do not believe that TASERs are going to be removed anytime soon. The fitness of the officers have nothing to do with this case. The officers are trained to use the TASER before using any other type of force. Beside a TASER hurts but it is not as bad as people would have you believe. I have been hit by one to get my license, and yes there has been cases were an officer misused the TASER but those are rare in fact I only know of 3 cases were that has happened.
popemobil74 9 months ago
Do some research taser has NEVER been the SOLE cause of death all tasers have been tested on pacemakers. Learn about the product before saying it is deadly.
popemobil74 10 months ago
@popemobil74 There are multiple reasons why a person will die from electrical shock or electrocution. Testing on "pace makers" means nothing. Statistics are stacking up- tasers kill people far too often to be classified "non-lethal". Statistics are being kept & they will be taken from the police eventually. I imagine the cops where not physically fit, the reason they went for the most "bush button" answer. They were so unfit they could not subdue a DRUNK 15 year old. Drunks are slow & sloppy.
Charlotte333 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 So your argument is 3 police officers should have man handled a 15 year old to arrest him? What happened to this boy was a tragedy I feel truly sorry for his friends and family. How ever these "Statistics" are not found on the internet how what is found is the Justice Department report of the TASER and found that there was There is currently no medical evidence that CEDs pose a significant risk for induced cardiac dysrhythmia in humans when deployed reasonably."
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 (sorry couldnt fit it all in one) and it also says"CED use is associated with a significantly lower risk of injury than physical force, so it should be considered as an alternative in situations that would otherwise result in the application of physical force." Just google" u s justice department report on taser" However if you can find one M.E. report where they state that the TASER was the sole cause of death i will retract my statement. I find it fair though that you do the same
popemobil74 9 months ago
@Charlotte333 My apologizes on taking so long to get back to you for some reason I did not receve an E-mail about your response
popemobil74 9 months ago
Oh, poor Brett Elder.....drunk as hell, screaming at the top of his lungs so someone called the cops....and what did he do? Calm down and go inside the house? NOPE...attacked a cop....did ya know how drunk he was? 15yrs old and attacking cops? LOL Yeah, just who we need walking the streets all hours of the nights....GREAT PARENTING....East side of BC is a shithole.
walleyefishface32 11 months ago
@sceegbug yea if your to much of a pussy to over power a drunk 15 yr old you dont need a badge
crashdummy40 11 months ago
This guy is an idiot. Tasers are not lethal force. Tasers have been tested hundreds of thousands of times with no problems. It has been determined that the deaths that have occurred when the Tasers have been used, have been caused by other medical causes and not the Taser.
Bucky7140 1 year ago
@Bucky7140 yo dip shit when police are unable to subdue and decide to tazer elderly women with blood pressure issues and already has problems walking they taser the fuck outta her and she dies soon after that would be ok by you?!?!?! cops are dumb as fuck that shit is not needed if your to much of a fucking pussy to subdue a DRUNK! 15 yr old boy you dont belong on the force
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@crashdummy40 how can you compare and elderly woman with blood pressure issues to a 15 year old boy? cops are dumb as fuck? I think you better bring your uneducated ass back to school. By the way, were you there? Do you know how big the 15 year old was? Do you know if he was armed? We already know he was drunk and going after family members. What adult lets their 15 year old get drunk? If the cops would've hurt him by going hands on with the hood rat, the family would've sued.Get a reality check
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 they want to sue you dumbass the kid is fucking tiny iv seen pics of him in both of these cases they could of easily took them down (i hope lmao) with out a taser and it would be safer, but instead they taser his ass and he died this should be obvious that they did not DO THERE JOB
crashdummy40 11 months ago
The 5-foot-2, 110-pound Mitchell died after being shot once with a Taser, which delivers a 50,000-volt electric charge. The Macomb County medical examiner's office says an autopsy report has not yet been completed. The Warren Police Department's internal affairs office ruled the use of the Taser was justified, and the officers involved in his death are back on the job. video evidence showing he wasnt doing anything to tased here another so called non leathal death
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@crashdummy40 50,000 volts but the amps that it puts out is less than a Christmas tree light. Educate yourself about the taser before making the decision to rip it apart. By the way, where is this "evidence" showing he wasnt doing anything to be tased? I would like to see this.
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 edjucate my self lol dude your a moron there has been many deaths by the so called safe taser well in the hundreds the numbers speak for itself he ran he didnt do anything illegal and was mentally handicapped his cousin was pulled over for a expired license plate there was no excuse the only illegal thing happend was oh yea my tabs are old sorry so go ahead and kill my little cousin there is a lawsuit it was all over cnn
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@crashdummy40 There are hundreds of ACCUSATIONS that the taser killed someone. How many medical examiners have stated that the cause of death was due to the taser? Not hundreds. The cause of death is always due to another existing medical condition.
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 yes hundreds by the taser meaning if they werent tased they would still be fucking alive i gave you multiple stories where cops abused there power 90% of the cops i know are morons power hungry ignorant arrogant harassing assholes iv been arrested twice and did nothing wrong harassed multiple times iv watched them plant shit in my friends car stole $300 from me iv seen YT them tase ppl holding babies 1 WAS A NEWBORN AT A HOSPITAL so yea forgive me if i had a putrid hatred for cops
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@crashdummy40 You still haven't addressed the issue if you know if this kid was armed? I think I know the other video you are talking about with the elderly woman. In that case, she had a knife in her hand. You keep talking about the size of the subjects involved in these cases but if they have a gun, a bat, a knife or any other kind of weapon, it changes the entire situation. Size of someone is only one aspect that goes into determining when to use a taser.
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 there are multiple instances where they have used the taser on OLD ppl a 72 year old woman was tasered WTF what kinda coward does that she had no weapon officer was being a prick like most cops are them and there little power trip you are blind to the world around you dude harrassment is illegal oh wait unless your a cop freedom of speach HA! right cops can intimidate and bully people call them names exercise there verbal freedom can we nooo we get tackled and arrested for it
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@crashdummy40 For how many thousands of times that the taser is deployed in a day through the US, there is always going to be a few officers who don't deploy the taser the way it should be. Just like in any corporation, there is always going to be a few bad people. I'm not saying that every officer is good, but the few bad ones cause the rest to look bad. In this incident of the 15 year old, I haven't seen or heard anything to show the officers did anything wrong. I'm still waiting for this.
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 yea i know all cops arent bad i happen to like a couple man but the bad is out weighing the good around here the cop that stole money from me was forced to retire after ripping off god knows how many ppl but get this they give him a 30,000 doller bonus thats bullshit man i happen to like 3 specific cops when i say cops should be hung scalped fired or other things why would i want that to happen to the good ones pigs are just criminals with a badge
crashdummy40 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 57Yr Old Teacher From Georgia Gets Tasered 12 Times By Cops After Calling 911 Because Of A Burglar heres a great video of power hungry dbag cops lucky for me this site is full of videos to prove my theory
crashdummy40 11 months ago
i knew this kid he went to central
13craj 1 year ago
Kid got we he deserved. Don't fight the police.
blackbeltbeatdown 1 year ago
This guys is such an ass. Bad things and accidents happen. People die. But at the end of the day, expecting cops to fist fight criminals for a living is ludicrous...tazers are much safer than hand to hand combat for all those involved. Tazers are completely justified if they prevent a fight.
Andymac175 1 year ago
I heard the police officer could have overpowered this kid physically, but didn't "want to get his uniform dirty." I can't believe we have officers like this on our force. Actually, I can. I have heard some appalling stories of abuse and police brutality on the part of the Bay City Police. It's good to see our tax money is being put to good use.
mugenfan266 1 year ago
Obviously I feel bad for the family and friends of this boy who was tasered and died, but can you imagine what type of help this police officer is going threw every day of the rest of his life? He didn't want to take the life of a 15 year old kid. He was just called by the family to contain this kid. He didn't wake up that morning saying "Damn, I hope I kill someone today". It's just a sad situation. It shouldn't have happend, but will you stop shit talking this guy?
insaneXemoXgirl 1 year ago
@insaneXemoXgirl Unfortunately your wrong . I have rode with many of our so called humane police officers while on duty and 99% of them have people already picked out , wishing that they would do something so that they could kill them . I know , I heard them and seen them . Our police nowdays are nothing more than legalized murders .
UtahBigfoothunter 1 year ago
@UtahBigfoothunter Where are you doing your ride alongs? How often are they killing citizens? Are you riding with the Libian military?
Bucky7140 11 months ago
@Bucky7140 No , I was riding along with a typical American police dept , not the Libian army . The officer I was riding with was once a Los Angeles County Sherriffs Deputy who quit and moved to Price , Utah to become a police officer there . I rode with this officer quite a few times and he would pick certain people out and tell me that he wishes that they would do something wrong so that he could kill them . I know other officers who tell me the same thing . This is not right !
UtahBigfoothunter 11 months ago
@UtahBigfoothunter How many people have they killed? You referenced that they are legalized killers.
Bucky7140 11 months ago
The problem lies with the parents. 15 year old out of control kid drunk? Where are the adults that are supposed to have their kids under control. allowing them to drink and act like retards. Point made if the kids were not drinking the plice would have never been called. Parents fault. Its sad that the young man died but when you let the youth run wild who knows whats going to happen. Cry and whine baby babybomers, your the worst generation ever.
dawheele1 2 years ago
this pisses me the fuck off
renegadetx2001 2 years ago
my friend was the host of this party, and he said that yeah the kid was getting violent and had every right to be tazed, but he didn't die from the tazer. he died because when he was tazed, already cuffed, and on the brink of unconsciousness. he didn't die from the tazer, he died from suffocating on his own throw up.
troubl3dmind 2 years ago
Bret Elder. Rest in Peace
proman909 2 years ago 4
I stand by my statement. When a person appears to be violently drunk, those who are asked to restore order know their actions can be dangerous. Is a tazer more dangerous than tripping up the drunk as you take him down? Probably not. And Nessagirl seems to still live in that childlike fantasy world where teens are supposedly innocent little victims. Lots of teenagers have committed murder. I cut them no slack. If you are a threat to me or an officer, prepare to be dealt with as an adult, period.
FrodoFriend 2 years ago
If this kid were drunk and violent, normally I would just knock him on his butt. Is there a small chance he will hit his head when he goes down and die? Yep. Is there a chance I would die if I let him knock me down and I hit my head? Yep. So ... if you provoke violence, there is a chance you will die. Live and learn. Taser, or a good whallop from a fist or baton, can lead to death, so as far as I am concerned, if the officer is afraid, TAZE away.
FrodoFriend 2 years ago
your stupid if you think a police officer FEARED this 15 year old kid
troubl3dmind 2 years ago
A teaser was necessary force for a 15 year old boy? Three officers cant subdue a 15 year old boy nearly 16, then I would hate to see what they do to a full grown man. Brett Elders birthday was about a week after his death, but Im glad that people can say he deserved to die without knowing him. Who gave you the right to judge him without knowing him. If drinking and fighting is enough wrong to die I hope you all are perfect.
Confusion1snext 2 years ago 2
if you can't subdue a 15 year old... Don't be a cop LOL that is all. Cops go through how much training? they have the upper hand in cqc wtf is going on?
renegadetx2001 2 years ago
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upnorthbacon 2 years ago
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upnorthbacon 2 years ago
You swallow their crap easilly.
1. A police baton is considered lethal force in USA if you hit above shoulders.
2. What happened to pepper spray and police banton? Tasers are used much more often than guns were used before taser was introduced. Taser is currently a replacement for pepper spray and police banton.
3> where I live taser is treated as lethal weapon. Each case of taser employment is investigated the same way a firearm use would be.
MarcinP2 2 years ago
A pepper/OC spray is for passive resistance or greater than. It takes a few seconds for the burns to take effect. If you're going to fight the police officer, they have the right to use a TASER.
Yes - people have died in the past from this instrument but from what I hear: in this case, this person could have died from suffocation due to his reaction from vomiting and his positioning.
The choice for an officer to carry is either a TASER or a baton usually but OC sprays are always around.
Hump4free 2 years ago
Isn't using taser the last alternative before deploying a firearm?
So, if they missed their taser shots they would have shot the kid with their service weapons? Right? Because situation called for it? Obviously so.
MarcinP2 2 years ago
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laredo41579 2 years ago
Instead of speculation, why don't you submit a F.O.I.A. request for the departments policy. Question it. I just have one question in return? If your questions are answered, favoring the use of Tazers rather than other control devices, or techniques, would you change your mind? You present a lot of information, but much of it is inacurate. Such as policy, or lack there of, and general knowledge of the Tazer for instance. Such as the recording, Tazers do record data every time its used.
crazedtrekrider 2 years ago