AKP asked for secularism in Egypt etc... Al jazeera is a sick propaganda channel ... it's the Arab BBC for gods sake (really, many people believe it's an Arab channel but it's not, it's BBC'S ARAB channel)
Yeahh The whole nation was jew before him and then they converted to islam after recep tayyip erdogan took it over rite? Thanks to education level in Turkey, Recep Tayyip's Neo-Ottoman ideology deeply impressed uneducated boneheads who are brainwashed by the radical leaning clerics..Millions of Arabs in the mid east cant deal with Israel..
Islam is growing stronger day by day in Turkey. The AK parti winning elections is proof of this.
May Allah protect Muslims all over from dictatorship and secularism; often these two evils goes hand in hand as in Turkey and as in my country, Pakistan.
Islam is growing stronger day by day in Turkey. The AK parti winning elections is proof of this.
May Allah protect Muslims all over from dictatorship and secularism; often these two evils goes hand in hand as in Turkey and as in my country, Pakistan.
@1802ibrahim No we still live in a secular country,AKP's efforts are completely empity,there is nothing has been changed in Turkey.AKP is just receiving votes from the ignorant people and the villagers also AKP is paying many people to get their votes.Secularism is sitll very important thing for us.Tayyip bitch can't say something bad about secularism and Atatürk because he knows if he says it,his party will be closed.
Dear brother/sister, I hope Allah guides you to Islam like many Turkish people have been guided. Moreover, you must make a decision whether Ataturk a sinner is whom you want to follow or Muhammad (peace be upon him). Its ur decision. But know who Turkey is following: Muhammad (saw).
Ataturk-ism will perish like thrice defeated secular party whom can only win through army-rigged elections.
Actually Turkish race was the most diffrent (one of the) race in the world but islam changed everything dickheaded türkic-islamic emperors(most of them) thought that arabians are better than turks... they've lost their Turkic vision, language and letters, men-women equality... our old religion was more mentality there was no stories like angels, geines, propeths(not in shamanism) etc.
"O inkar edenler görmüyorlar mı ki, (başlangıçta) göklerle yer, birbiriyle bitişik iken, Biz onları ayırdık ve her canlı şeyi sudan yarattık. Yine de onlar inanmayacaklar mı?" (Enbiya Suresi, 30)
What no seems to realise is that, they're was not even 1 ounce of sharia law even in the Ottoman Empire...!! The Ottomans were even close to converting to Christianity in order to establish more control and more tolerance towards them... Islam has no roots in Turkish History, the only real influence to the turkish people is and still is "Attaturk"!!!
Ummah should be a representation of the organized united and developed Islam and at the time when Turks were given the opportunity for a free elections , they deliberately chose Islam !
France and most european countries are secular states which includes christian majority and culturally christian and they critisize veil and only eye open clothes.We are,Turkey dont let wearing hijab except own life.No university,no state job.Look at the vast democratic looking.Turkey have over secularism and I am etnically full Türk but also over national.Turkey always killed their own child for their ideals.Some müslim parts and secularist are same scumbags only want their wealth.
You functionaries of the bloodsucking Allah do have ideas over barbarianism, child fucking, beheading, lie, betrayal/taqiyya, hatred and blood lust, however you do not have the least idea over the circles of life, of the spiritual realms, over karma, reincarnation, over symbolisms, duality, over the origin and consequenzes of feelings, thoughts filtering, true internal [spiritual/altruistic] greatness, the holy spirit etc. Muslims for ever blocked in the middle age.
@PrimateDynasty not ironic!!! u live in a mostly cristian society.in islamic countries u can notice there is still danger of islamic revolution so think about numbers of pupulations or other cases as well as freedom or democracy ok?
have u ever heard the word takiyya? im sure u know it thats all islamist re doing here.u cant imagine our case because u live in west.if they ask me i would completey ban the political islam!!
I don't agree, i think that an average AKP voter loves Ataturk. In Turkey Islam and nationalism go hand in hand, for example my mom prays 5 times a day and wears a hijab, but she loves Ataturk as much as i do and the reason i love Ataturk is because of my parents. I think that only just a small segment of the AKP wants maybe, islamic laws. But average AKP sympathizers like i am are defenders of secular Turkey and the course set by Ataturk.
@tolgaoztemur yes definyly ataturks line is a excellent line for us we have never real seen islamic law in our history.... and women should be allowed to where there headscarves ive been supported that before akp and i still do now they have got it i am happy even though iam a atheist myself
With all respect but we have seen what the Ummah did with our soldiers in WW1, we were on our own vs the Alled Forces, we managed to kick their asses. After that something happend in Turkey, Turks became more aware of their ethnic background, their culture, mythology etc. So dont think that we are nationalists for no reason, it all has a very good explanation. The Ummah didnt help saving our Holy land, but Ataturk did. So Muslim, Atheist, Nationalist we all love Ataturk.
If the allies really wanted to they could have destroyed turkey in 3 weeks. Less then 1.2% of the total allied forces were deployed against turkey. It only took 0.3% of the total allied force to cause the ottomans to crumble. If turkey faced 30% of the total allied force it would be overun in 3 days.
You have a big mouth, just like your leader Churchill had. Let us take one battle of many, the Gallipoli campaign, where maybe your grandfather fought. It was the biggest naval operation of all times till then. With the best warships, they thried to overrun and later with groundinvasion but they failed, with a half a million troops from India to New Zealand. They tried for one year whatever they could do, but failed, with loosing 220 000 soldiers and God knows how many injured.
My ethnic origins is actually turkish. Second turkey could not actually destroy any warships with there guns, they had to mine the area. If the campaign was taken 5 years later with the introduction of new ships decided to clear mines etc it would take only weeks. Thirdly the number of soldiers lost on the Turkish side was higher. Besides I m talking after ww1. At that time they had only 0.3% of the total allied force there. Any nation in the world could overpower them.
Dude you dont get me and i don't believe you are Turkish. You cant attack a country that is 3000 or 10 000 km away with all your soldiers, it takes years to gather a large army. What is your purpose to outnumber the Turks 1 by 10? Is that how the British fight? You look how big is the Turkish army, what are their arms, you make scenarios and if you think you are quite sure of winning you will attack .But then it depends on more than just gunpowder, the Turkish will to defend Turkey
My ethnic origins are Turkish, my parents are Turkish, I wasn't born there though so Its not like I have any loyalty whatsoever. The point is if they really wanted to they could have defeated the Turks. They didn't have the resolve though and were not willing to risk what could have been over a million causalities.
In war though even if a country can defeat another country like US beating iraq in 3 weeks. You can never occupy a country for long if you follow certain rules.
Dude i am also born and raised in the Netherlands, but i feel way more Turkish than i feel Dutch, but i love the Netherlands too, anyway. Dude one advice for you study the Turkish history, we have fought lots of Galippoli's. While we were fighting Greeks, Italians in West-Turkey, Russians, Armenians in East, French, Armenians, Arabs in South. So yes in this situation if the British doubled their soldiers they could maybe win, no shit, maybe also ask the Chinese red army for support
Churchill miscalculated that the mental power of the Turks was eventually stronger than the gunpowder of the Allied. I just want to mention a Turkish saying, which is probably good to say to you now: You may kill the hero, but you should never say he wasnt brave. Whatever you say wont make that army less heroic.
secular elites !!!??? fucked Soros words there is still a big secular population in TURKEY but our leaders was arrested.and secular elites!!! fuck u Akif fuck fuck fuck go and suck Feto's dick. fetullah gulen is an cia agent
@WorldGlobal2010 he recreated a secular state on the remains of a defeated empire. It was external powers that defeated The Ottoman Empire combined with rebellious muslims from within the empire.
Fatih Sultan Mohammed( may allah be pleased with him) who was devote muslim and greatest heroe Turks have ever known would have been ashamed of what turkey has become today ....
@yonisfarah So sorry but Turks will not die for Muslims anymore... We know what your so called grandfathers did to Ottoman soldires. We know master Lawrance of Arabia. You guys do not have any right to talk about us being ashamed.
Remember what made great Turks, its not secularism...it's believe and love for Allah(SWT) and his prophet(pbuh) and his religion. Having pride in that and love for that is greater than anything secularism or devilism will ever give you....
It's shame Turks consider a mam like Kemal Ataturk who did everything to erase their deen from society as hero and totally forget about the great ottoman empire who spread islam and fought for the causes of Islam. The Ottomans loved Islam and took pride in their religion and for that Allah(SWT) made them a great nation that put fear in Christian Europe, unlike today were they have to beg for recognition...
@yonisfarah Well they are taught such things in school, they can't think outside the box that is too difficult seeing that he did save Turkey from become a slave even after all other parts of it had been sliced of. This is what I read in a history book.
@cengzhan what are you talking about? what do you mean? Its true that there were people among arabs that supported the rebellion and they fully cooperated with external powers to do this, (Not All arabs) the place I came from i.e South asia has nothing to do with the defeat of the Ottoman empire internally or externally. This is because they were not directly a part of it. Turks died for Islam if they did NOT and NEVER for Muslims. NEVER that is. Our life is for Islam for Allah not other people.
@MatrixOfDynamism Not all Arabs, but most of the Arabs did cooperate with British against Ottoman. Killed Ottoman soldires in their hospital beds. There were few nations such as Muslims in India and Afganistan helped us and we thank Allah for them
Turks did died for his Muslim brothers, and even today there are stupid Turks that would be happy to die for his Muslim brothers in Palestine. Islam is for people, not for Allah.
@cengzhan look I understand what you are saying but you also have to look into what were the factors that encouraged the arab muslims to side with the kuffar. We as muslims fight and defend not for people for our creator only. If the arabs did that with the army of the Khalifah than they shall be punished in the hereafter but please do look into how the arabs saw the ottoman rule around that time as well.
Islam is for fagz anyways... why bother joining the EU?...stay where u are...islam...can u believe it? we are in the 21st century and they are still believing in that allah dude....I am glad they are killing each other... I suggest we put Christians and Islamist in a box to kill each other..the world will be a better place to chill
@juzblazin I have a better idea . why don't we kill the 15 million jews n destroy israil .and if there is no peace after that , I am ready to sacrifice myself n 4 billion muslims n christians .so that u atheists rule the world alone .
see the now world order made by the jews has one goal that is to demonize religions so that people convert to the non religious secular atheist "religion" and die decieved .watch "the arrivals" .
Islam is for fagz anyways... why bother joining the EU?...stay where u are...islam...can u believe it? we are in the 21st century and they are still believing in that allah dude....I am glad they are killing each other... I suggest we put Christians and Islamist
No government policy is perfect...as not every1 can be appeased.
I am not for extreme secularisation or extreme theocracy...a balance needs to be created...and Turkey is an example country. It's not perfect but Islamic in some aspects ie. religious tolerance. Nationalism is both good and bad...good as it creates love for one's home and progress is encouraged...but it can lead to pride that can lead to belittling other nations and races.Toleranceisthekey linkbetwn Islam&secul'tn, wtevrotherssay
@hayden50 the PERISHED attaturk worshippers shall have no victory on islam from now.in fact, u will bark like dogs n no US or Israell will bring u back to power, n most importantly when u die u will get back to Allah swt n he shall judge u .
May Allah bless Mr Erdogan n all his true muslim turkish supporters
I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an. The Qur'an is false, Mohammad is false, Islam is false. To kill your self for God, that God is not the real God. I feel sorry for and will pray for all of you who convert to Islam.
@bnjones28 ur false already because the 'God of Islam' is the same as ur 'God the Father' and there;s no point on debating with someone who is so wrong and frankly intolerant...so i pray for ppl like u saying stuff about others without appreciation or respect.
@mozhus123 : Actually 'allah' is a pagan god. The rest is copied from christian, jews and zoroastrians - without the more loveable parts leaving a quite poisonous mixture
@januk36 ur actually wrong... u seriously shouldn't expound theological knowledge cos ur statement would even question the sensible non-muslim about ur knowledge.
@mozhus123 : If you say that someone is wrong that say what is wrong and why. You are just giving you opinion. For the theological part: Do your research in history combine that with common sense and even the quran (as the bible) itself are testimony that allah/god is one of many....
@januk36 There's no point in discussing theology or even history (let alone religious books) with someone who is expounding incorrect statements with no evidence. If you feel monotheistic religions are in fact based on polytheism so be it...I believe monotheism came first and as soon as one believes in pantheism, polytheism isn't far off...if u get what i mean.sadlyU won't / dont want to understand monotheism......so please I don't wish to discuss this matter further with you. Peacetou.
@mozhus123 : Evidence ? Theology is based on nothing because there is no scientific evidence for 'god'. So much for incorrect statements. Monotheistic religions developped in an animistic or polytheistic word. Read the quran or bible and see the many plurals in there in that light and it will be clear the monotheism came after - and god/allah was in competition with the many other gods to which even Mohammed bowed once.. I'm not here to convince you.
@chaosbringer127 : I don't have to try again. You find the same polytheistic traces in all semitic scriptures. Anyway, if your claim was right, then you will find the same 'literary stile' in other, non-theistic texts as well - if not, than your argument has been constructed to fit your point of view.
@chaosbringer127 : Sure, quran is unique, so is any book ever published. Anyway, I do have a basic knowledge of japanese and reverence is not expressed by 'plurals'.
The claim that plural we is used as a plural of 'respect' is made by apologetics only. Give me one passage from a neutral source on arabic grammar written by linguists, not some biased theologians.
@chaosbringer127 : One linguistic approach, to bolster your claim is to come up with the 'royal we' form used in other arabic textes not related to religion. That usage is found among european nobility and if the original quranic text was in english that would add credibility to your claim. Helas, it's in arabic, so were is the usage as 'royal we' in secular or pre-islamic texts ? Moreover, you will find in quran (and the bible) many passages where 'plurality' is implied by other means than 'we'
@chaosbringer127 ...so...the simplest explanation is this: The jews made the switch from worshipping many gods to ONE god exclusive. However, god/allah/jawe or whatever name you pefere is just one among many...keep that in mind while reading the quran or the old testament and suddenly you will understand why this 'god' is so undivinely jealous.
@bnjones28 their god never tell anyone to kill themselves for him. u learn the wrong way. if you really do learn both book, the you are already one of the people of the book. you should know which one is fake, that is if ur an honest man to yourself.
I am a Canadian convert to Islam and I cant wait for the Calipha to be reestablished. I will live and die for this moment Inshallah. If it wast for Islam Turkey would not exist, they would still be Nomads like the Arabs were before Islam. Islam gave them everything. What kind of freedom is this, it takes the military to impose secularism, doesn't seem like the peoples opinion matters. What hypocrites.
@KilluminatiMujahad Ur right I wud love for Islam to have a Calipha again but the sad thing becos Muslims quibble over minor differences and dont tolerate each others (i think tolerance shud go to the extent to accept minor differences in practise and belief as intended by God,.. and move forward from there) that if the Calipha is from a particular sect (which is inevitable) then he will be rejected by many other Muslims.
Democracy is not opression of the Masses, it's a build on a constitution that ensures equal rights and freedoms for all people. Unlike sharia law, that imposes the values of a barbaric dessert prophet on all people!
If you want to live like you where in the Dark ages, you can do that in a secular democracy, but don't impose it on others! Modern people can not live according to their morals in a theocratic state! That's the difference.
I'm all for secularism. But when it makes those who are against secularism unable to observe their religion, then thats when it's a problem. Including the women not being allowed to wear Hijab in a Muslim majority country. Thats what's crazy. I don't think Atatuk wanted his ideology to turn into this.
First of all you shoul try to control yourself... You say every bad thihg about my country and my unique religion. those are annoying that you said about our important values so u have to be think about the other people's bad properties Turks are innocent yes we may not be all innocent but you are not the spoon which came from a boottle of milk
the guy said muslim roots? our country when nationally islamic for only 15 years just before ataturk when the corrupt ruler took over and killed most of his people... most of the passa (kings) were christian because the earlier ones married russian and bulgarian women. still the country was mainly islamic but neva was like arabia. women can wear the veil but the hypocrite closed athiest websites banned the god delusion book and brainwashed these piss heads
Turks are MURDERERS turks MURDERED ARMENIANS GREEKS KURDS BULGARIANS JEWS EZDI HUNGARIANS ASSURIANS I can keep going on turks are MURDERERS turks can change their cloths,their letters,their hair,their names but your gens are of MURDERERS 2
@Parvez86 exacly .but it is the army that hates islam .but the president taib ragab ardogan is more muslim then some of the arab leaders .islam will rule turkey even if turks have every reason to hate arabs especialy saudis for breaking the otman empire
@nagamora I understand what you are saying. Insha'Allah the Shari'ah will be established and rule again. We as Muslims need to reject Secularism and Nationalism which is un-Islamic.
Turkiye muslumanlar tarafindan yaratildi. Turkiye bugun sanli islam'in bir mirasidir. Turkiye'nin kaderi Islam, Turkiye'nin gelecekte Islam. Biz Türk tarihi ve geleceğinin bir parçasıdır.
nickpafros, you Greeks of all other nations should be supporting turks in terms of civilization.. After 500 yrs of hegemonia you still speak your language, go to your church and even continue your traditions. Who else would allow a nation under her hegemonia practise religion language traditions by then? You would either be a long dead nation or assimilated if it was any other empires to keep you under her hegemonia. Think about it.
But there is something that should not be forgotten that provide stability in the territory of Turks anadolu thousand years, and this situation will continue for a thousand years. But Turkey still within the framework of brotherhood to all open arms and said: 'My bride a happy world civilization rule' he says. A more sensitive approach in these matters from people in their wish to have no other choice ... The happiest day of our brothers get reading this message!.
Turkey, who have taught civilization to many countries and approximately 700-year history of the Ottoman state was founded on the basis of a strong and dominant position as a country in the region surely reach their goals. The other hand, countries in the region also contribute to the stability of a country that has the distinction of being shown every case.
Turkey taught civilization to many countries?? like who?? They Byzantine Empire already taught civilization to countries. Turks were nomads from asia.
@afghanhunter221 : There a at least 400 year left to crusade even more before we are even. Oh, by the way - I really would introduce the Ottoman Style of appeasement in Iraq and Afganistan - impaling a few 1000 people alive as the Muslims did to the Greeks is garanteed to work.
freedomancy: if it is as you say, that is wonderful, very good. I am always happy to stand corrected in matters of Islamic faith. But I must say that the rendering I gave was taught to me, seriously, by two muslims in different occassions. Maybe there are many ways to understand the hadith. But again, I am glad that it can be understood in such an enlightened way as you have shown.
AfghanResistance: your 3rd option I think is good: liberty to people to use hijab or not, or even to be islamic or not (= to be christian or atheist or jew or else). But, to be sincere, most muslims do not accept this kind of liberty where they have the power. In fact, they say a very cruel thing: "All children are muslim. It's their father who make them Christians or Jews or Fireworshipers". If Bible has mistakes, that saying should also be denounced as a grave mistake in Hadith or Qur'an.
To correct your misquote, the hadith in question says clearly : "every child is born on the instinct of faith, until his parents turn him into x,y,z..etc."
The words used for "instinct of faith" are "fitra of Iman" in which "fitra" means instinct and "Iman" means faith/belief. This puts everyone on an equal level when they are born.
At this point, we're good. However, a religion judges a person by his faith. This is where inequality starts.
Hopefully, there comes the factor of Justice. And the best way to explain it is by example : During the British colonization of India. A Hindu and a Muslim community argued over a ancient shrine, they both claimed it was their heritage and had the british authorities involved. The authorities called a wise old man in the village, he was muslim and around 90 years old. When they asked him who legitimately inherits the shrine, he replied "the muslims were wrong, it's the hindu's shrine".
turkey can not be an islaamic country because of the pragmatism in turkish comprehension because the actual gouvernement ,who tried to separate people into 2 by the subject called headscarf with the aim to give an end to laicity ,understood that they have no enough force to end it then what they started now the debate between turks and kurds for an other type of segregation let me tell you what this is an occidental sourced debate aiming to block turkey and its force
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i hate the fact that anything islamic i.e. wearing the headscarf, segregation of the sexes, etc is always said to go against the constitutional law. well turkey is a muslim country and that constitution is against their religion. It seems most turkeys prefer the constitutional law over their religion. wake up turkey! ataturk is no hero of islam. u are born as muslim so replace ur constitutional laws with islamic ones or at least laws that allow everyone liberty 2 practice religion as they choose
Turks are not Arabs. They are mongols mixed with slavs, greeks, mongols and caucasian peoples such as Circassians. One great Sultan Pasha never forgot his mother's cries nor his Serbian roots and in spite of becoming a Turk he always helped his Serbian Orthodox Church which the Ottaman empire allowed but they put a heavy TAX on doing so but the mongol turks were savages and took as many Serbian as they can to join their janisseries and grow up to be Turks.
Roughly towards the end of the Ottoman Empire'd demise 1890-1922 the Empire began to become more and more nationalistic, persecuted Christians due to political decisions by the Sultan and later by Talaat, Enver and jamal to immerse all the Turkic people from Central Asia...
nationalism was born in western civizilations to split the empires, multi national countries into many pieces so that they can handle, control those. finally ottomans also were affected with this idea. bulgarians, greeks, serbians, albanians etc. declared their independence. unfurtunately republic of turkey built on nationalist principals too.
now, we have a lot of ultra nationalist people in europa. they think since they are greek, polish, german, serbian turkish etc. they are great.
Kemal Mustafa Ataturk -in various forms- is displayed like a God-like person inside Turkey - in Islam this is a grave sin. And Allah is seen as a scapegoat for Turkey's internal problems, when in fact the real problem is the government itself. Freedom is limited. Criticism on the government is limited. Attire is encouraged to be Western-like. Minorities are supressed or persuaded to become Turkish. Turks are extremely nationalist about their people/history - this is why they'll deny controversy.
You know nothing about Turkey, apparently. By the way, our current government is an Islamist government, and they have jailed many secularist intellectuals because they dared to criticise the Islamist government. You have to update your knowledge of Turkish politics. So much for your "evil government vs. poor innocent Muslims" theory. The government is evil alright, precisely because they're Islamists.
Turkey is a land of contrast. You CAN take Islam out of Turkey but you cannot take Islam out of the people. Islam is very holistic - this is why its people are demanding Islamic values, morals and attire in Turkey - the stray jacket that the military has placed the Turkish people won't hold for long. In the Qu'ran the prophet Muhammad never taught his people to separate God from Caesar; an essential teaching that wasn't taught to Muslims but to Christians.
I beat the shit out of my wife, well the koran told me I could do so. I'll just marry a 12 year old, the koran told me I could do so. You people are giving other good muslims a bad name by making the Koran what you want it to be.
There is no hijab in the koran, woman should only wear that in a mosque. If you still insist I have all the respect. But not in a governmental building. There is no wife beating in the Koran.
it is clear that you know nothing about Islam, else you wouldnt speak such bullsh_itt! Ofcourse you'll have to respect a woman whos wearing headscarf, what will you do instead? Headscarf is also an identity of turkish woman and those who don't wanna accept that are not only ignorants but also abusers of human rights!
HEADSCARF ins't the identity of a Turkish woman. That my friend is she self. The headscarf has been arround in Arabic, Jewish and even in later years (untill the 50's/60's ) in Europe. Turks took up the Scarf from the Arabs, it isn't a part of our culture. Neither is it a part of Islam. Especially the BURKA .. I can't stand those things sorry neither do I have any respect for someone who makes his wife or daughters walk in all black .. how stupid is that?
This is the most ignorant thing in the world!!!! you know nothing right about Islam but still give me fatwas? who are you huh? an Imam or an islamic scholar? who are you to give fatwas about headscarf, if religios people believe that it is their duty, who are you say the opposite, you think your god or sth? can change a religion if you don't like it? ignorant arrogant!
lmao. Being secular doesn't mean living peacefully side-by-side with other religious people. Secularity means separation from RELIGION out of the POLITICAL Arena. The Ottomans were fervent nationalists, and some of their descendants still are.
what i meant it had symptoms and features of secularity. I advise you to study the Ottomans. Not all ottomans were fervent nationalist, yes a lot of things went wrong entering the 18th century.
The last Ottoman sultans (5/6) weren't even really Turk, they brought the whole empire down, together with the later jannisary's ( beginning from the 17th cent) they had more power than the sultans and corruption was everywhere in the Empire. After Suleyman The maginificent the empire wen't down and down.
You wanna be Arab idiot ...
Who am I to say? in Turkey only like 40/55% of the woman wear headscarfs. In city's this is like 25 % and the young girls mostly don't
fuckoff idiot, I know youre Turk. You think like an Arab, Anatolian muslim he says fuckin idiot. You should be Anatiolian TURK. You're a Turkish muslim Still you talk like an Arab.
I'm from a small village in central anatolia too fuckin idiot (my parent are)
I never saw a Turk near Arifegazili that disliked Turk.. and their all muslim just like I am
the young girls who do wear a head scarf are most of the time forced to wear those things, or wear it for male attention. Whores near the bridges and haigh way's of Istanbul wear headscarfs. Are they better Turks or muslims with their headscarf? No their whores pay 30 lire you can fuck her.
Most Turks are nationalist and there is nothing wrong with that, aslong as their not racist.
Any Turk that isn't Kemalist should get a fuckin education, or leave Turkey
ulkucu is the same as Kemalist .. mhp for example is ulkucu .. is an nationalist islamic party .. But their all kemalist .. even though you aren't on the same lines with some thing ataturk did or said .. you can't deny without Ataturk .. you had no country to be a ulkucu/nationalist of ..
Without Ataturk , let alone being Turk you probably where Orthodox christian
LOL do you even read what you type ? DO you want to live a nomadic life style again ? (we build pyramids before we where nomads in china)
Without the Ottomans There wouldn't be a Turkic state in Anatolia, which also is the strongest most devolped and advanced Turkic state.
And yes there still would be Turks we are 250 million . but we would be 70 million lighter and the poorest people in the world and our most developed country would be azerbejcan that has been devided and used by the rus
Symptons and features of secularity? Explain. Secularism is a WESTERN (foreign) concept. This is why many terminology (words) have been borrowed from the West via the Italians or French. The separation between Mosque and State - in this case - was impossible because the Ottomans were a theocratic state with monarchical ties.
All muslim Empires had egalitarian rights with other religous people. However, there were limitations; that is to say: Christians and Jews were second-class citizens, paid taxes and many were incorporated into the Janissaries whether willingly or unwillingly due to financial hardships or because they were forcibly recruited. How couldn't religion play a part in the Ottoman Empire? It was a theocratic state with monarchical lines? This means they were governed by Allah and the Q'uran.
I can understand a lot of religious woman do it for them selfs, and to make males less atracted to them. But a lot of them do it just to get male attention, tell me what is the use of a headscarf if you're going to be a slut any way?
Don't get me wrong a lot of my friends mother wear headscarfs and mine did too when she was younger and lived in a small village near corum. I respect it fully .. but I rather think it's for older ladys and not for the young.
I will give it 10 years .. within those ten years the woman in Turkey wearing headscarfs will dropp dramaticly wich it already does.
You can't see Turkey will be secular, Turkey was BORN secular .. how can you say it's not? Turkey was born because of Ataturk. If he waasn't here we would have gotten a really small part of Anatolia and the rest would be devided between the allies and greece, armenia ..
not trough supression, what I ment was a lot of young people go to the city .. and get rid of their headscarf to be more socially acceptable.
And I'm pretty sure atleast 30 % is wearing it against their will or doesn't know any better.
Indeed education is the most important thing of all. But don't forget brother, education has no religion in it. Religion we learn from the koran and in mosques. At school we learn history, geometry, math and logic. etc.
We need religious education as well as scientific education both of them are very important. I believe both is needed. Be just to all the people, their needs and choices.
About secularism, turkey was not born BECAUSE OF secularism! No way! My grandfather didn't die to establish secularism! of course not! Turkey was born to save our land from invaders! Secularism was introduced many years later and at that time nobody know what secularism was. real ignorant! And IF (! )secularism is supression of religious identity i believe we should get rid of it! I want freedom in my country.
DUDE, my whole point is that you are anti secularism, and anti Ataturk. I didn't even start about laiklik. Are you denying the fact that without Ataturk Turkey wouldn't be here. Without Ataturk we wouldn't be free, maybe not even mulsim. Without Ataturk our beloved Turkey wouldn't be here. THAT my friend is my point.
Like you saideveryone sins so who cares wheter jhe drank alcohol or not (I do to) , who cares about his gf.
I think you're going a bit overboard with your thoughts about Ataturk, as if he is the one you gave you life??! Ataturk for me was a leader, who helped our people orginize and lead a war against invaders. I respect him for that and thats's it. I don't think it's right to give him a deity like figure. It's none of my business whether he drank or not, that's not the point. But the point is he WAS NOT perfect, because he introduced secularism, which clearly does not suit harmonise with our genes!
First of all it's 99.8 % of Turkey. Second of all you traitor go live in fuckin Iran then. If you ahte secularism this much. Without it you would live in Armenia now filthy dog.
Get over it he says, fuck you and you mind set, you get over it idiot. Allmost all Turks are Muslim, but most muslims are KEMALIST in Turkey. Even most people that voted AKP are Kemalist. It's just that AKP was the best choice for then. But we need a new and better party.
Any Turk that isn't Kemalist should change it's name to what ever the fuck he wants to be because you aint Turk.
It's like a black person saying I hate africans or white power. You should worship the ground M.K. Ataturk walked on you dog. He saved you and you nation and you grand parrents. You fore father died in canakale (gallipoli) etc fighting for the abolishment of the Kalif and for a Secular free state you unthanklfull pig.
AKP isn't a kemalist party and I never said that .. I said most people who vote akp are KEMALIST and MUSLIM at the same time .. you're the one being ignorant go talk bad about Ataturk in your ocak lol .. let's see what those guys say .. or you Turks in belgium are really trippin
In fact, as a Turkish citizen I feel I have the right to use my so called freedom of speech to say that anybody in Turkey who believes that Islam should have a central role in our culture or politics is a moron. Badem biyikli sakal birakan pezevenkler bizim ulkeyi arka sahalara göturuyor.
I don't have to justify my comments at an intellectual level, at least not to anyone here defending the Ottoman Empire, a theocratic state that made its living on slaves and war taxes. I especially do not have to defend myself against those who call secularists "ignorant", that in itself is ignorance.
Ok, Soran. I never said Turkey was the pinpoint of democracy. However, a military state can still be secular (Do you even know the definition of secularism?). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Kurdish rights but it really has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I was talking about Turkey and Islam, not Turkey and the Kurdish issue.
What I mean is that when religious people in Turkey try to bully us into following their rules we have to fight back. The secular people in Turkey who are lucky enough to be enlightened must say "NO" and guide the way for our future generations to take a more enlightened path. The secular structure in the Turkish state is the only thing preventing the fundamentalists from running things according to their way.
Turkey is not a secular state and it has never been. It is a military state and once Kemalism is over a real democracy may take over by recognizing Kurdistan as a seperate entity. Until then Turkey will suffer immensely.
I have to interfere! If you're making a statement pls do make a sensible one! I'm soo fu.king tired of this wanna be secularist bullsh.t! You have to explanin how and in which way, you're bullied?? Have the secs. ever been denied of any right in Turkey because their views, or the way they dress?? the good for nothing wanna be "ENLIGHTENED" secularists in Turkey have never been bullied but they do all kinds of suppression inthe name of SECULSRISM!
HASIKTIR olum, ulan pic gormezmisin Soran denen pic Kurdistan Turkiyeden ayri olanakadar Turkiye cekecek diyor sen o pici koruyorsun .. olum hic mi uttanma yok. Bizim Gaziler, Mehmetcikler, Sehitler MUSLIMAN DEGIL MIDI LAN SEREFSIZ. Camiye Oramaz, butun gun 31 cekersin bilgisayar basinda, sonrada maniak maniak konusursun. Sen dini ne bilirsin pic
küfür etmeden ADAM gibi konusmayi ögren! Söylediklerinin hepsini 10 misliyle sana geri IADE ediyorum! esas senin anana söylediklerini yapmislar herhalde ki kuyruk acisini unutamadigin icin sürekli ona buna küfrediyorsun. Agzindan cikana dikkat et! Soran denen Kürdistan gevezeligi yapiyorsa ona göre cevap ver! tamam mi?
Ben karadenizliyim, vatanimi her salaga karsi korurum, bölücü kürtler ve gerici laikler dahil olmak üzere! Soran gerzegine kürdistani rüyanda görürsün diyecegine, ne diye Laiklik kahramanligi yapiyorsun? Ben Tr'yedeki kendini laik zanneden komplexliler gürühu yüzünden ülkemde okuyamadim! Ve bu sacmaliklara artik tahammül edemiyorum! anladin mi?Laiklik mi bizi kurtardi sanki?Bilmiyorsan söyliym: Milletimizin kalbindeki vatan aski ve bu askin asil kaynagi olan imanimiz!
Mehmetcikler, gaziler sehit müslüman diye saydigin insanimizin cocuklari okula gidemiyor... cünkü laiklik laikciklere göre bunu engelliyormus... bu konu hakkinda ne düsünüyorsun??? laiklik gibi fuzuli bir konuyu burada öne cikarma! bizi biz yapan o kadar cok önemli degerimiz varken, bizi birbirime kirdiran bir seyi savundugun icin o yorumlari sana postaladim!
Because of this wanna be ignorant seculars Turkey has been wasting decades. But this has already started to change elhamdulillah! And about your bullsh.t statement about discrimination, take a look at turkish history and you'll see that throughout history, we've never discrimated and never will!
AKP asked for secularism in Egypt etc... Al jazeera is a sick propaganda channel ... it's the Arab BBC for gods sake (really, many people believe it's an Arab channel but it's not, it's BBC'S ARAB channel)
3choBlaster 1 week ago
Secularism rocks relgions sucks :)
MrDenocan 3 weeks ago
Secularism is evil and stoning womens for having sex before marrige is good.
Doesnt matter christian, muslim, hindu religious people are idiot.
MrDenocan 3 weeks ago
Yeahh The whole nation was jew before him and then they converted to islam after recep tayyip erdogan took it over rite? Thanks to education level in Turkey, Recep Tayyip's Neo-Ottoman ideology deeply impressed uneducated boneheads who are brainwashed by the radical leaning clerics..Millions of Arabs in the mid east cant deal with Israel..
Kemalist82 5 months ago
Islam is growing stronger day by day in Turkey. The AK parti winning elections is proof of this.
May Allah protect Muslims all over from dictatorship and secularism; often these two evils goes hand in hand as in Turkey and as in my country, Pakistan.
1802ibrahim 5 months ago
Islam is growing stronger day by day in Turkey. The AK parti winning elections is proof of this.
May Allah protect Muslims all over from dictatorship and secularism; often these two evils goes hand in hand as in Turkey and as in my country, Pakistan.
1802ibrahim 7 months ago
@1802ibrahim No we still live in a secular country,AKP's efforts are completely empity,there is nothing has been changed in Turkey.AKP is just receiving votes from the ignorant people and the villagers also AKP is paying many people to get their votes.Secularism is sitll very important thing for us.Tayyip bitch can't say something bad about secularism and Atatürk because he knows if he says it,his party will be closed.
PLQENQS4 6 months ago
@PLQENQS4
Dear brother/sister, I hope Allah guides you to Islam like many Turkish people have been guided. Moreover, you must make a decision whether Ataturk a sinner is whom you want to follow or Muhammad (peace be upon him). Its ur decision. But know who Turkey is following: Muhammad (saw).
Ataturk-ism will perish like thrice defeated secular party whom can only win through army-rigged elections.
1802ibrahim 5 months ago
@1802ibrahim Those Arabs...
PLQENQS4 5 months ago
Actually Turkish race was the most diffrent (one of the) race in the world but islam changed everything dickheaded türkic-islamic emperors(most of them) thought that arabians are better than turks... they've lost their Turkic vision, language and letters, men-women equality... our old religion was more mentality there was no stories like angels, geines, propeths(not in shamanism) etc.
Spectacus11 7 months ago
@Spectacus11
"O inkar edenler görmüyorlar mı ki, (başlangıçta) göklerle yer, birbiriyle bitişik iken, Biz onları ayırdık ve her canlı şeyi sudan yarattık. Yine de onlar inanmayacaklar mı?" (Enbiya Suresi, 30)
May Allah guide you
1802ibrahim 5 months ago
What no seems to realise is that, they're was not even 1 ounce of sharia law even in the Ottoman Empire...!! The Ottomans were even close to converting to Christianity in order to establish more control and more tolerance towards them... Islam has no roots in Turkish History, the only real influence to the turkish people is and still is "Attaturk"!!!
baywatchrules12 7 months ago
Turkey should be proud of its Greek and Byzantine heritage. I'm sure the Turks will eventually contribute something of value to their own country.
ilovethe80snole 8 months ago
Ummah should be a representation of the organized united and developed Islam and at the time when Turks were given the opportunity for a free elections , they deliberately chose Islam !
MrTakatof 9 months ago
primate destiny go to saudi arabia and move others like you and never turn back please
mutluhusky 10 months ago
turkish criminality nasislam the biggest pair of jokes EVER.
joejoe4812 11 months ago
France and most european countries are secular states which includes christian majority and culturally christian and they critisize veil and only eye open clothes.We are,Turkey dont let wearing hijab except own life.No university,no state job.Look at the vast democratic looking.Turkey have over secularism and I am etnically full Türk but also over national.Turkey always killed their own child for their ideals.Some müslim parts and secularist are same scumbags only want their wealth.
yigitinebolulu 1 year ago
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You functionaries of the bloodsucking Allah do have ideas over barbarianism, child fucking, beheading, lie, betrayal/taqiyya, hatred and blood lust, however you do not have the least idea over the circles of life, of the spiritual realms, over karma, reincarnation, over symbolisms, duality, over the origin and consequenzes of feelings, thoughts filtering, true internal [spiritual/altruistic] greatness, the holy spirit etc. Muslims for ever blocked in the middle age.
megatown 1 year ago
Forcing Muslim women to take off their veils in public universities is against freedom of religion! Thank god I live in the US! Ironic, I know!
PrimateDynasty 1 year ago
@PrimateDynasty not ironic!!! u live in a mostly cristian society.in islamic countries u can notice there is still danger of islamic revolution so think about numbers of pupulations or other cases as well as freedom or democracy ok?
have u ever heard the word takiyya? im sure u know it thats all islamist re doing here.u cant imagine our case because u live in west.if they ask me i would completey ban the political islam!!
thcci 9 months ago
Well nearly all Turks are for a secular Turkey, this is just about the headscarf allowed on public universities in Turkey.
For example, i as a AKP sympathizer am for a secular state and love ATATURK very much.
DutchTurkish 1 year ago
@DutchTurkish so you dont know what is AKP real idea.. they want make country as Iran or suudi arabia. and akp hates ATATURK but cant say it
mutluhusky 10 months ago
@mutluhusky
I don't agree, i think that an average AKP voter loves Ataturk. In Turkey Islam and nationalism go hand in hand, for example my mom prays 5 times a day and wears a hijab, but she loves Ataturk as much as i do and the reason i love Ataturk is because of my parents. I think that only just a small segment of the AKP wants maybe, islamic laws. But average AKP sympathizers like i am are defenders of secular Turkey and the course set by Ataturk.
DutchTurkish 10 months ago
@DutchTurkish nationalism and racism seperates and weakens the ummah
Jijou3 10 months ago
@Jijou3
We don't need an ummah, every people are brother no matter their religion and belieft.
tolgaoztemur 10 months ago
@tolgaoztemur yes welldone these hypocrites cant talk about ummah what did they do for kurds in turkey ? never opened there mouths!
timetochilli 9 months ago
@timetochilli
They support terrorism in the parlement. I don't have objection their cultural right should be increased.
Not only their but also Turks cultural rights should be incresed. :)
Ummat is nostalgia of empiral times, which has no place in modern world.
tolgaoztemur 9 months ago
@tolgaoztemur yes definyly ataturks line is a excellent line for us we have never real seen islamic law in our history.... and women should be allowed to where there headscarves ive been supported that before akp and i still do now they have got it i am happy even though iam a atheist myself
timetochilli 9 months ago
@Jijou3
With all respect but we have seen what the Ummah did with our soldiers in WW1, we were on our own vs the Alled Forces, we managed to kick their asses. After that something happend in Turkey, Turks became more aware of their ethnic background, their culture, mythology etc. So dont think that we are nationalists for no reason, it all has a very good explanation. The Ummah didnt help saving our Holy land, but Ataturk did. So Muslim, Atheist, Nationalist we all love Ataturk.
DutchTurkish 10 months ago
@DutchTurkish
If the allies really wanted to they could have destroyed turkey in 3 weeks. Less then 1.2% of the total allied forces were deployed against turkey. It only took 0.3% of the total allied force to cause the ottomans to crumble. If turkey faced 30% of the total allied force it would be overun in 3 days.
Precise2011 7 months ago
@Precise2011
You have a big mouth, just like your leader Churchill had. Let us take one battle of many, the Gallipoli campaign, where maybe your grandfather fought. It was the biggest naval operation of all times till then. With the best warships, they thried to overrun and later with groundinvasion but they failed, with a half a million troops from India to New Zealand. They tried for one year whatever they could do, but failed, with loosing 220 000 soldiers and God knows how many injured.
DutchTurkish 7 months ago
@DutchTurkish
My ethnic origins is actually turkish. Second turkey could not actually destroy any warships with there guns, they had to mine the area. If the campaign was taken 5 years later with the introduction of new ships decided to clear mines etc it would take only weeks. Thirdly the number of soldiers lost on the Turkish side was higher. Besides I m talking after ww1. At that time they had only 0.3% of the total allied force there. Any nation in the world could overpower them.
Precise2011 7 months ago
@Precise2011
Dude you dont get me and i don't believe you are Turkish. You cant attack a country that is 3000 or 10 000 km away with all your soldiers, it takes years to gather a large army. What is your purpose to outnumber the Turks 1 by 10? Is that how the British fight? You look how big is the Turkish army, what are their arms, you make scenarios and if you think you are quite sure of winning you will attack .But then it depends on more than just gunpowder, the Turkish will to defend Turkey
DutchTurkish 7 months ago
@DutchTurkish
My ethnic origins are Turkish, my parents are Turkish, I wasn't born there though so Its not like I have any loyalty whatsoever. The point is if they really wanted to they could have defeated the Turks. They didn't have the resolve though and were not willing to risk what could have been over a million causalities.
In war though even if a country can defeat another country like US beating iraq in 3 weeks. You can never occupy a country for long if you follow certain rules.
Precise2011 7 months ago
@Precise2011
Dude i am also born and raised in the Netherlands, but i feel way more Turkish than i feel Dutch, but i love the Netherlands too, anyway. Dude one advice for you study the Turkish history, we have fought lots of Galippoli's. While we were fighting Greeks, Italians in West-Turkey, Russians, Armenians in East, French, Armenians, Arabs in South. So yes in this situation if the British doubled their soldiers they could maybe win, no shit, maybe also ask the Chinese red army for support
DutchTurkish 7 months ago
@Precise2011
Churchill miscalculated that the mental power of the Turks was eventually stronger than the gunpowder of the Allied. I just want to mention a Turkish saying, which is probably good to say to you now: You may kill the hero, but you should never say he wasnt brave. Whatever you say wont make that army less heroic.
DutchTurkish 7 months ago
FUCK SECUALR BRING BACK SHARIA
TheTruth8018 1 year ago
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secular elites !!!??? fucked Soros words there is still a big secular population in TURKEY but our leaders was arrested.and secular elites!!! fuck u Akif fuck fuck fuck go and suck Feto's dick. fetullah gulen is an cia agent
esraretin 1 year ago
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esraretin 1 year ago
Ottoman empire was the last and one of the greatest calphicates tht kafir mustafa atturk went nad destroyed it
WorldGlobal2010 1 year ago
@WorldGlobal2010 he recreated a secular state on the remains of a defeated empire. It was external powers that defeated The Ottoman Empire combined with rebellious muslims from within the empire.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
Fatih Sultan Mohammed( may allah be pleased with him) who was devote muslim and greatest heroe Turks have ever known would have been ashamed of what turkey has become today ....
yonisfarah 1 year ago
@yonisfarah So sorry but Turks will not die for Muslims anymore... We know what your so called grandfathers did to Ottoman soldires. We know master Lawrance of Arabia. You guys do not have any right to talk about us being ashamed.
cengzhan 1 year ago
Remember what made great Turks, its not secularism...it's believe and love for Allah(SWT) and his prophet(pbuh) and his religion. Having pride in that and love for that is greater than anything secularism or devilism will ever give you....
yonisfarah 1 year ago
It's shame Turks consider a mam like Kemal Ataturk who did everything to erase their deen from society as hero and totally forget about the great ottoman empire who spread islam and fought for the causes of Islam. The Ottomans loved Islam and took pride in their religion and for that Allah(SWT) made them a great nation that put fear in Christian Europe, unlike today were they have to beg for recognition...
yonisfarah 1 year ago
@yonisfarah Well they are taught such things in school, they can't think outside the box that is too difficult seeing that he did save Turkey from become a slave even after all other parts of it had been sliced of. This is what I read in a history book.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Doctors save patients by cutting their cancer out :) WE CUT OUR CANCER OUT.
cengzhan 1 year ago
@cengzhan what are you talking about? what do you mean? Its true that there were people among arabs that supported the rebellion and they fully cooperated with external powers to do this, (Not All arabs) the place I came from i.e South asia has nothing to do with the defeat of the Ottoman empire internally or externally. This is because they were not directly a part of it. Turks died for Islam if they did NOT and NEVER for Muslims. NEVER that is. Our life is for Islam for Allah not other people.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Not all Arabs, but most of the Arabs did cooperate with British against Ottoman. Killed Ottoman soldires in their hospital beds. There were few nations such as Muslims in India and Afganistan helped us and we thank Allah for them
Turks did died for his Muslim brothers, and even today there are stupid Turks that would be happy to die for his Muslim brothers in Palestine. Islam is for people, not for Allah.
cengzhan 1 year ago
@cengzhan look I understand what you are saying but you also have to look into what were the factors that encouraged the arab muslims to side with the kuffar. We as muslims fight and defend not for people for our creator only. If the arabs did that with the army of the Khalifah than they shall be punished in the hereafter but please do look into how the arabs saw the ottoman rule around that time as well.
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
isfukkinlamis sick
deeryker 1 year ago
Islam is for fagz anyways... why bother joining the EU?...stay where u are...islam...can u believe it? we are in the 21st century and they are still believing in that allah dude....I am glad they are killing each other... I suggest we put Christians and Islamist in a box to kill each other..the world will be a better place to chill
juzblazin 1 year ago
@juzblazin I have a better idea . why don't we kill the 15 million jews n destroy israil .and if there is no peace after that , I am ready to sacrifice myself n 4 billion muslims n christians .so that u atheists rule the world alone .
see the now world order made by the jews has one goal that is to demonize religions so that people convert to the non religious secular atheist "religion" and die decieved .watch "the arrivals" .
nagamora 1 year ago
Islam is for fagz anyways... why bother joining the EU?...stay where u are...islam...can u believe it? we are in the 21st century and they are still believing in that allah dude....I am glad they are killing each other... I suggest we put Christians and Islamist
juzblazin 1 year ago
No government policy is perfect...as not every1 can be appeased.
I am not for extreme secularisation or extreme theocracy...a balance needs to be created...and Turkey is an example country. It's not perfect but Islamic in some aspects ie. religious tolerance. Nationalism is both good and bad...good as it creates love for one's home and progress is encouraged...but it can lead to pride that can lead to belittling other nations and races.Toleranceisthekey linkbetwn Islam&secul'tn, wtevrotherssay
mozhus123 1 year ago
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hayden50 1 year ago
@hayden50 wtf you talk about! 90% of all turky dont like secularism! we want islam country!
03Burak 1 year ago
@03Burak i guess the military should step in & take over & kill the islamists.
hayden50 1 year ago
@hayden50 dont be a silly boy. now run along and play with your toys.
TheIronMan987 1 year ago
@hayden50 the PERISHED attaturk worshippers shall have no victory on islam from now.in fact, u will bark like dogs n no US or Israell will bring u back to power, n most importantly when u die u will get back to Allah swt n he shall judge u .
May Allah bless Mr Erdogan n all his true muslim turkish supporters
nagamora 1 year ago
I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an. The Qur'an is false, Mohammad is false, Islam is false. To kill your self for God, that God is not the real God. I feel sorry for and will pray for all of you who convert to Islam.
bnjones28 1 year ago
@bnjones28 ur false already because the 'God of Islam' is the same as ur 'God the Father' and there;s no point on debating with someone who is so wrong and frankly intolerant...so i pray for ppl like u saying stuff about others without appreciation or respect.
mozhus123 1 year ago
@mozhus123 : Actually 'allah' is a pagan god. The rest is copied from christian, jews and zoroastrians - without the more loveable parts leaving a quite poisonous mixture
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 ur actually wrong... u seriously shouldn't expound theological knowledge cos ur statement would even question the sensible non-muslim about ur knowledge.
mozhus123 1 year ago
@mozhus123 : If you say that someone is wrong that say what is wrong and why. You are just giving you opinion. For the theological part: Do your research in history combine that with common sense and even the quran (as the bible) itself are testimony that allah/god is one of many....
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36 There's no point in discussing theology or even history (let alone religious books) with someone who is expounding incorrect statements with no evidence. If you feel monotheistic religions are in fact based on polytheism so be it...I believe monotheism came first and as soon as one believes in pantheism, polytheism isn't far off...if u get what i mean.sadlyU won't / dont want to understand monotheism......so please I don't wish to discuss this matter further with you. Peacetou.
mozhus123 1 year ago
@mozhus123 : Evidence ? Theology is based on nothing because there is no scientific evidence for 'god'. So much for incorrect statements. Monotheistic religions developped in an animistic or polytheistic word. Read the quran or bible and see the many plurals in there in that light and it will be clear the monotheism came after - and god/allah was in competition with the many other gods to which even Mohammed bowed once.. I'm not here to convince you.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36
uh...nope. Plurals in Qur'an is a literature style used to keep the nature of God as omniscent and not able to be contained in a single pronoun.
Try again ..
chaosbringer127 1 year ago
@chaosbringer127 : I don't have to try again. You find the same polytheistic traces in all semitic scriptures. Anyway, if your claim was right, then you will find the same 'literary stile' in other, non-theistic texts as well - if not, than your argument has been constructed to fit your point of view.
januk36 1 year ago
@januk36
nope...Islam is unique. It will not be associated with silly other polytheistic religions..
Plurals in Qur'an are similar to the plural in japanese...used in reverence.
chaosbringer127 1 year ago
@chaosbringer127 : Sure, quran is unique, so is any book ever published. Anyway, I do have a basic knowledge of japanese and reverence is not expressed by 'plurals'.
The claim that plural we is used as a plural of 'respect' is made by apologetics only. Give me one passage from a neutral source on arabic grammar written by linguists, not some biased theologians.
januk36 1 year ago
@chaosbringer127 : One linguistic approach, to bolster your claim is to come up with the 'royal we' form used in other arabic textes not related to religion. That usage is found among european nobility and if the original quranic text was in english that would add credibility to your claim. Helas, it's in arabic, so were is the usage as 'royal we' in secular or pre-islamic texts ? Moreover, you will find in quran (and the bible) many passages where 'plurality' is implied by other means than 'we'
januk36 1 year ago
@chaosbringer127 ...so...the simplest explanation is this: The jews made the switch from worshipping many gods to ONE god exclusive. However, god/allah/jawe or whatever name you pefere is just one among many...keep that in mind while reading the quran or the old testament and suddenly you will understand why this 'god' is so undivinely jealous.
januk36 1 year ago
@bnjones28
So if you read the Quran.
Did you find an error or contradiction?
If you think the Quran is false to the challange.
Try and Produce a single Surah from the Quran.
It has to be rythmic like the Quran, with the language of the Quran, it must be poetic, and as prasieworthy.
The shortest Surah(chapter) in the Quran is 3 verses.
mnzz1234 1 year ago
@bnjones28 their god never tell anyone to kill themselves for him. u learn the wrong way. if you really do learn both book, the you are already one of the people of the book. you should know which one is fake, that is if ur an honest man to yourself.
ziggythejoe 1 year ago
I am a Canadian convert to Islam and I cant wait for the Calipha to be reestablished. I will live and die for this moment Inshallah. If it wast for Islam Turkey would not exist, they would still be Nomads like the Arabs were before Islam. Islam gave them everything. What kind of freedom is this, it takes the military to impose secularism, doesn't seem like the peoples opinion matters. What hypocrites.
KilluminatiMujahad 1 year ago
@KilluminatiMujahad Ur right I wud love for Islam to have a Calipha again but the sad thing becos Muslims quibble over minor differences and dont tolerate each others (i think tolerance shud go to the extent to accept minor differences in practise and belief as intended by God,.. and move forward from there) that if the Calipha is from a particular sect (which is inevitable) then he will be rejected by many other Muslims.
mozhus123 1 year ago
@KilluminatiMujahad
Democracy is not opression of the Masses, it's a build on a constitution that ensures equal rights and freedoms for all people. Unlike sharia law, that imposes the values of a barbaric dessert prophet on all people!
If you want to live like you where in the Dark ages, you can do that in a secular democracy, but don't impose it on others! Modern people can not live according to their morals in a theocratic state! That's the difference.
annata12 1 year ago
I'm all for secularism. But when it makes those who are against secularism unable to observe their religion, then thats when it's a problem. Including the women not being allowed to wear Hijab in a Muslim majority country. Thats what's crazy. I don't think Atatuk wanted his ideology to turn into this.
Skaterboiva 1 year ago
First of all you shoul try to control yourself... You say every bad thihg about my country and my unique religion. those are annoying that you said about our important values so u have to be think about the other people's bad properties Turks are innocent yes we may not be all innocent but you are not the spoon which came from a boottle of milk
segrehkagan 1 year ago
turk have been betrayed by arabs
thats why they are embracing this seculrium world order
its stupid cuz islam is a global relgion n the prophet mohammed pbuh was sent for the hole human kind not only arabs .
nagamora 1 year ago
NUMBERONE TURKEY SO TÜRKİYE
SELCUKMAL02 1 year ago
the guy said muslim roots? our country when nationally islamic for only 15 years just before ataturk when the corrupt ruler took over and killed most of his people... most of the passa (kings) were christian because the earlier ones married russian and bulgarian women. still the country was mainly islamic but neva was like arabia. women can wear the veil but the hypocrite closed athiest websites banned the god delusion book and brainwashed these piss heads
timetochilli 1 year ago
Beautiful Country Turkey
Iran just makes it so radical Muslim state
With Erdogan
Turkey would be eliminated if it happens
Güzel Ülke Türkiye
İran sadece kılan o kadar radikal Müslüman devlet
Erdoğan ile
o olur Türkiye'de bertaraf olur
hezi0509 1 year ago
her türk müslüman değildir herkes birbirine saygı duyacak
wanderas90 1 year ago 2
@wanderas90 musluman olmayan TURK bir orosbu cocugudur ve TURK adini tasiyamaz...
Mhenlomatras 1 year ago
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armhumanbeing 1 year ago
The Turks raise the banner, "We don't worship Allaah, we worship Kamal Attaturk." Wallaahu Musta'aan!!!
lyricaladaud 1 year ago
Secularism = KUFFUR!
Parvez86 1 year ago
@Parvez86 exacly .but it is the army that hates islam .but the president taib ragab ardogan is more muslim then some of the arab leaders .islam will rule turkey even if turks have every reason to hate arabs especialy saudis for breaking the otman empire
nagamora 1 year ago
@nagamora I understand what you are saying. Insha'Allah the Shari'ah will be established and rule again. We as Muslims need to reject Secularism and Nationalism which is un-Islamic.
Parvez86 1 year ago
Turkiye muslumanlar tarafindan yaratildi. Turkiye bugun sanli islam'in bir mirasidir. Turkiye'nin kaderi Islam, Turkiye'nin gelecekte Islam. Biz Türk tarihi ve geleceğinin bir parçasıdır.
Pakistan, Keşmir ve Afganistan Türkiye seviyor
ALANSARALHAQ 1 year ago 2
nickpafros, you Greeks of all other nations should be supporting turks in terms of civilization.. After 500 yrs of hegemonia you still speak your language, go to your church and even continue your traditions. Who else would allow a nation under her hegemonia practise religion language traditions by then? You would either be a long dead nation or assimilated if it was any other empires to keep you under her hegemonia. Think about it.
ozallie 1 year ago 2
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TheMagicHikaru 1 year ago
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120 al qaeda terrorists cuaght in turkey...turkey funds terrorism..deport all turks out of EU..and never let them join
futuramark 2 years ago
@futuramark
you are right
turks are danger for Europians
turks are
GENOCIDER
PUNISHMENT for turks EVERYWHERE
armhumanbeing 1 year ago
But there is something that should not be forgotten that provide stability in the territory of Turks anadolu thousand years, and this situation will continue for a thousand years. But Turkey still within the framework of brotherhood to all open arms and said: 'My bride a happy world civilization rule' he says. A more sensitive approach in these matters from people in their wish to have no other choice ... The happiest day of our brothers get reading this message!.
segrehkagan 2 years ago
@segrehkagan
turks are MURDERERS
GENOCIDERS
NO trust in turks
armhumanbeing 1 year ago
Turkey, who have taught civilization to many countries and approximately 700-year history of the Ottoman state was founded on the basis of a strong and dominant position as a country in the region surely reach their goals. The other hand, countries in the region also contribute to the stability of a country that has the distinction of being shown every case.
segrehkagan 2 years ago
Turkey taught civilization to many countries?? like who?? They Byzantine Empire already taught civilization to countries. Turks were nomads from asia.
nickpafras 2 years ago
@segrehkagan
turks are MURDERERS
don't speculate here
you bastard
armhumanbeing 1 year ago
@armhumanbeing ,, yeh u fuckin crusader, u are the one to talk???
afghanhunter221 1 year ago
@afghanhunter221 : There a at least 400 year left to crusade even more before we are even. Oh, by the way - I really would introduce the Ottoman Style of appeasement in Iraq and Afganistan - impaling a few 1000 people alive as the Muslims did to the Greeks is garanteed to work.
januk36 1 year ago
freedomancy: if it is as you say, that is wonderful, very good. I am always happy to stand corrected in matters of Islamic faith. But I must say that the rendering I gave was taught to me, seriously, by two muslims in different occassions. Maybe there are many ways to understand the hadith. But again, I am glad that it can be understood in such an enlightened way as you have shown.
alontas 2 years ago
AfghanResistance: your 3rd option I think is good: liberty to people to use hijab or not, or even to be islamic or not (= to be christian or atheist or jew or else). But, to be sincere, most muslims do not accept this kind of liberty where they have the power. In fact, they say a very cruel thing: "All children are muslim. It's their father who make them Christians or Jews or Fireworshipers". If Bible has mistakes, that saying should also be denounced as a grave mistake in Hadith or Qur'an.
alontas 2 years ago
To correct your misquote, the hadith in question says clearly : "every child is born on the instinct of faith, until his parents turn him into x,y,z..etc."
The words used for "instinct of faith" are "fitra of Iman" in which "fitra" means instinct and "Iman" means faith/belief. This puts everyone on an equal level when they are born.
At this point, we're good. However, a religion judges a person by his faith. This is where inequality starts.
freedomacy 2 years ago
Hopefully, there comes the factor of Justice. And the best way to explain it is by example : During the British colonization of India. A Hindu and a Muslim community argued over a ancient shrine, they both claimed it was their heritage and had the british authorities involved. The authorities called a wise old man in the village, he was muslim and around 90 years old. When they asked him who legitimately inherits the shrine, he replied "the muslims were wrong, it's the hindu's shrine".
freedomacy 2 years ago
Wow! over a simple hijab...God doesn't care what you wear. this whole topic is ridiculous.
utubeutube80 2 years ago
turkey can not be an islaamic country because of the pragmatism in turkish comprehension because the actual gouvernement ,who tried to separate people into 2 by the subject called headscarf with the aim to give an end to laicity ,understood that they have no enough force to end it then what they started now the debate between turks and kurds for an other type of segregation let me tell you what this is an occidental sourced debate aiming to block turkey and its force
vegggg 2 years ago
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i hate the fact that anything islamic i.e. wearing the headscarf, segregation of the sexes, etc is always said to go against the constitutional law. well turkey is a muslim country and that constitution is against their religion. It seems most turkeys prefer the constitutional law over their religion. wake up turkey! ataturk is no hero of islam. u are born as muslim so replace ur constitutional laws with islamic ones or at least laws that allow everyone liberty 2 practice religion as they choose
AfghanResistance 2 years ago
Turks are not Arabs. They are mongols mixed with slavs, greeks, mongols and caucasian peoples such as Circassians. One great Sultan Pasha never forgot his mother's cries nor his Serbian roots and in spite of becoming a Turk he always helped his Serbian Orthodox Church which the Ottaman empire allowed but they put a heavy TAX on doing so but the mongol turks were savages and took as many Serbian as they can to join their janisseries and grow up to be Turks.
sneighwena 2 years ago
@AfghanResistance FUCK YOU AND YOUR STUPID RELIGION
borntodie92 2 years ago
Roughly towards the end of the Ottoman Empire'd demise 1890-1922 the Empire began to become more and more nationalistic, persecuted Christians due to political decisions by the Sultan and later by Talaat, Enver and jamal to immerse all the Turkic people from Central Asia...
Djmemez 2 years ago
nationalism was born in western civizilations to split the empires, multi national countries into many pieces so that they can handle, control those. finally ottomans also were affected with this idea. bulgarians, greeks, serbians, albanians etc. declared their independence. unfurtunately republic of turkey built on nationalist principals too.
now, we have a lot of ultra nationalist people in europa. they think since they are greek, polish, german, serbian turkish etc. they are great.
lakekiyisi 2 years ago
Kemal Mustafa Ataturk -in various forms- is displayed like a God-like person inside Turkey - in Islam this is a grave sin. And Allah is seen as a scapegoat for Turkey's internal problems, when in fact the real problem is the government itself. Freedom is limited. Criticism on the government is limited. Attire is encouraged to be Western-like. Minorities are supressed or persuaded to become Turkish. Turks are extremely nationalist about their people/history - this is why they'll deny controversy.
Djmemez 2 years ago
You know nothing about Turkey, apparently. By the way, our current government is an Islamist government, and they have jailed many secularist intellectuals because they dared to criticise the Islamist government. You have to update your knowledge of Turkish politics. So much for your "evil government vs. poor innocent Muslims" theory. The government is evil alright, precisely because they're Islamists.
Gawdator 2 years ago
Turkey is a land of contrast. You CAN take Islam out of Turkey but you cannot take Islam out of the people. Islam is very holistic - this is why its people are demanding Islamic values, morals and attire in Turkey - the stray jacket that the military has placed the Turkish people won't hold for long. In the Qu'ran the prophet Muhammad never taught his people to separate God from Caesar; an essential teaching that wasn't taught to Muslims but to Christians.
Djmemez 2 years ago
I beat the shit out of my wife, well the koran told me I could do so. I'll just marry a 12 year old, the koran told me I could do so. You people are giving other good muslims a bad name by making the Koran what you want it to be.
There is no hijab in the koran, woman should only wear that in a mosque. If you still insist I have all the respect. But not in a governmental building. There is no wife beating in the Koran.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
it is clear that you know nothing about Islam, else you wouldnt speak such bullsh_itt! Ofcourse you'll have to respect a woman whos wearing headscarf, what will you do instead? Headscarf is also an identity of turkish woman and those who don't wanna accept that are not only ignorants but also abusers of human rights!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
HEADSCARF ins't the identity of a Turkish woman. That my friend is she self. The headscarf has been arround in Arabic, Jewish and even in later years (untill the 50's/60's ) in Europe. Turks took up the Scarf from the Arabs, it isn't a part of our culture. Neither is it a part of Islam. Especially the BURKA .. I can't stand those things sorry neither do I have any respect for someone who makes his wife or daughters walk in all black .. how stupid is that?
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
This is the most ignorant thing in the world!!!! you know nothing right about Islam but still give me fatwas? who are you huh? an Imam or an islamic scholar? who are you to give fatwas about headscarf, if religios people believe that it is their duty, who are you say the opposite, you think your god or sth? can change a religion if you don't like it? ignorant arrogant!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
Long live the secular Turkish Republic! Secular we are, and secular we shall remain!
Gawdator 2 years ago
Yes, a secular Turkish Republic is prefered for more freedom, etc.
Turks were always secular, even in the time of the Ottomans , Muslims jews Christians lived together in peace even when we are Muslims.
gsboss7 2 years ago
lmao. Being secular doesn't mean living peacefully side-by-side with other religious people. Secularity means separation from RELIGION out of the POLITICAL Arena. The Ottomans were fervent nationalists, and some of their descendants still are.
Djmemez 2 years ago
what i meant it had symptoms and features of secularity. I advise you to study the Ottomans. Not all ottomans were fervent nationalist, yes a lot of things went wrong entering the 18th century.
gsboss7 2 years ago
The last Ottoman sultans (5/6) weren't even really Turk, they brought the whole empire down, together with the later jannisary's ( beginning from the 17th cent) they had more power than the sultans and corruption was everywhere in the Empire. After Suleyman The maginificent the empire wen't down and down.
You wanna be Arab idiot ...
Who am I to say? in Turkey only like 40/55% of the woman wear headscarfs. In city's this is like 25 % and the young girls mostly don't
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
look at what i was saying dumbass , homo , goatblowing whore.
Arab?
I'm from Central Anatolia, Afyonkarahisar. U do not know who i am
gsboss7 2 years ago
fuckoff idiot, I know youre Turk. You think like an Arab, Anatolian muslim he says fuckin idiot. You should be Anatiolian TURK. You're a Turkish muslim Still you talk like an Arab.
I'm from a small village in central anatolia too fuckin idiot (my parent are)
I never saw a Turk near Arifegazili that disliked Turk.. and their all muslim just like I am
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
the young girls who do wear a head scarf are most of the time forced to wear those things, or wear it for male attention. Whores near the bridges and haigh way's of Istanbul wear headscarfs. Are they better Turks or muslims with their headscarf? No their whores pay 30 lire you can fuck her.
Most Turks are nationalist and there is nothing wrong with that, aslong as their not racist.
Any Turk that isn't Kemalist should get a fuckin education, or leave Turkey
3choBlast3r 2 years ago 2
once youre saying most of the Turks are Kemalists and this time nationalists.
I am ülkücu , there is a big difference between ülküculuk and Atatürk nationalism (Kemalizm)
gsboss7 2 years ago
ulkucu is the same as Kemalist .. mhp for example is ulkucu .. is an nationalist islamic party .. But their all kemalist .. even though you aren't on the same lines with some thing ataturk did or said .. you can't deny without Ataturk .. you had no country to be a ulkucu/nationalist of ..
Without Ataturk , let alone being Turk you probably where Orthodox christian
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
Don't u think i know that.
But also without the ottomans there wouldn't be a Turkish state. We would still be a nomadic tribe who lived in central-asia
gsboss7 2 years ago 2
LOL do you even read what you type ? DO you want to live a nomadic life style again ? (we build pyramids before we where nomads in china)
Without the Ottomans There wouldn't be a Turkic state in Anatolia, which also is the strongest most devolped and advanced Turkic state.
And yes there still would be Turks we are 250 million . but we would be 70 million lighter and the poorest people in the world and our most developed country would be azerbejcan that has been devided and used by the rus
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
Symptons and features of secularity? Explain. Secularism is a WESTERN (foreign) concept. This is why many terminology (words) have been borrowed from the West via the Italians or French. The separation between Mosque and State - in this case - was impossible because the Ottomans were a theocratic state with monarchical ties.
Djmemez 2 years ago
Ppl from other religions had the same rights as Muslims in the Ottoman Empire.
Religion would NOT interfere with political decisions. Just because the Ottoman Empire was not a democracy.
gsboss7 2 years ago
All muslim Empires had egalitarian rights with other religous people. However, there were limitations; that is to say: Christians and Jews were second-class citizens, paid taxes and many were incorporated into the Janissaries whether willingly or unwillingly due to financial hardships or because they were forcibly recruited. How couldn't religion play a part in the Ottoman Empire? It was a theocratic state with monarchical lines? This means they were governed by Allah and the Q'uran.
Djmemez 2 years ago
long live Turkish Republic, we are not seculars, if secularism means suppression of religion ( it is in Turkey) and will NEVER be. :)
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
Yes, we are "seculars." Get over with it already. Turkey will forever remain secular.
Gawdator 2 years ago
I can understand a lot of religious woman do it for them selfs, and to make males less atracted to them. But a lot of them do it just to get male attention, tell me what is the use of a headscarf if you're going to be a slut any way?
Don't get me wrong a lot of my friends mother wear headscarfs and mine did too when she was younger and lived in a small village near corum. I respect it fully .. but I rather think it's for older ladys and not for the young.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
I will give it 10 years .. within those ten years the woman in Turkey wearing headscarfs will dropp dramaticly wich it already does.
You can't see Turkey will be secular, Turkey was BORN secular .. how can you say it's not? Turkey was born because of Ataturk. If he waasn't here we would have gotten a really small part of Anatolia and the rest would be devided between the allies and greece, armenia ..
How Ignorant can you be ?
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
you may be able to drop the number of woman wearing headscarfs but how?? through supression!!! That is not acceptable!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
not trough supression, what I ment was a lot of young people go to the city .. and get rid of their headscarf to be more socially acceptable.
And I'm pretty sure atleast 30 % is wearing it against their will or doesn't know any better.
Indeed education is the most important thing of all. But don't forget brother, education has no religion in it. Religion we learn from the koran and in mosques. At school we learn history, geometry, math and logic. etc.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
We need religious education as well as scientific education both of them are very important. I believe both is needed. Be just to all the people, their needs and choices.
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
About secularism, turkey was not born BECAUSE OF secularism! No way! My grandfather didn't die to establish secularism! of course not! Turkey was born to save our land from invaders! Secularism was introduced many years later and at that time nobody know what secularism was. real ignorant! And IF (! )secularism is supression of religious identity i believe we should get rid of it! I want freedom in my country.
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
DUDE, my whole point is that you are anti secularism, and anti Ataturk. I didn't even start about laiklik. Are you denying the fact that without Ataturk Turkey wouldn't be here. Without Ataturk we wouldn't be free, maybe not even mulsim. Without Ataturk our beloved Turkey wouldn't be here. THAT my friend is my point.
Like you saideveryone sins so who cares wheter jhe drank alcohol or not (I do to) , who cares about his gf.
He was a great leader and achieved freedom.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
I think you're going a bit overboard with your thoughts about Ataturk, as if he is the one you gave you life??! Ataturk for me was a leader, who helped our people orginize and lead a war against invaders. I respect him for that and thats's it. I don't think it's right to give him a deity like figure. It's none of my business whether he drank or not, that's not the point. But the point is he WAS NOT perfect, because he introduced secularism, which clearly does not suit harmonise with our genes!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
laiklik is secularism dumbass.
who are you to say that Turkish women will drop there headscarves , fucking dick.
The Turkish state is Secularist , yes, but for 85-90% are Turkish ppl Muslim , get over it.
gsboss7 2 years ago
First of all it's 99.8 % of Turkey. Second of all you traitor go live in fuckin Iran then. If you ahte secularism this much. Without it you would live in Armenia now filthy dog.
Get over it he says, fuck you and you mind set, you get over it idiot. Allmost all Turks are Muslim, but most muslims are KEMALIST in Turkey. Even most people that voted AKP are Kemalist. It's just that AKP was the best choice for then. But we need a new and better party.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
Any Turk that isn't Kemalist should change it's name to what ever the fuck he wants to be because you aint Turk.
It's like a black person saying I hate africans or white power. You should worship the ground M.K. Ataturk walked on you dog. He saved you and you nation and you grand parrents. You fore father died in canakale (gallipoli) etc fighting for the abolishment of the Kalif and for a Secular free state you unthanklfull pig.
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
I'm a nationalist , bitch.
u are just a homo who i guess lives in Istanbul , and rejects the Anatolian Muslims.
'Turkish women will drop the headscarve in 10 years' you say.
and you say 'free state' , u want to rob Muslim women from there headscarves.
And if u study Turks, u will see what holded them together in the war was there religion.
screaming 'Allah,Allah'' while they were fighting the enemy. I am Turk , u are a goatblowing bitch
gsboss7 2 years ago
HAHAH nationalist are Kemalists, Turanist, Bozkurts,
YOU MY FRIEND ARE AN ISLAMIST
that's not the same .. go join some mujahaddin army .. you're not considered a Turk by nationalists
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
NO!
Kemalism and ülküculuk is NOT the same.
I am not an islamist.
if ur not too retarted , Ruhumuz Islam Bedenimiz Türk.
And for your information i am a part of the the ulkucuocaklar here in Belgium.
I will not comment at you again 'cause ur ignorant. Telling Kemalists are the same as Ulkuculer. And u telling AKP is a kemalist party hahahhaha
gsboss7 2 years ago
AKP isn't a kemalist party and I never said that .. I said most people who vote akp are KEMALIST and MUSLIM at the same time .. you're the one being ignorant go talk bad about Ataturk in your ocak lol .. let's see what those guys say .. or you Turks in belgium are really trippin
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
Sure we still scream Allah when we Charge .. I'm muslim to .. but I'm a Turkish muslim who lives by the koran not the Arabs ..
Headscarf isn't a part of Islam it's jewish and arabian culture .. which I respect .. but it's not ours
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
In fact, as a Turkish citizen I feel I have the right to use my so called freedom of speech to say that anybody in Turkey who believes that Islam should have a central role in our culture or politics is a moron. Badem biyikli sakal birakan pezevenkler bizim ulkeyi arka sahalara göturuyor.
mustafacankibar87 2 years ago
I don't have to justify my comments at an intellectual level, at least not to anyone here defending the Ottoman Empire, a theocratic state that made its living on slaves and war taxes. I especially do not have to defend myself against those who call secularists "ignorant", that in itself is ignorance.
mustafacankibar87 2 years ago
The Ottoman Empire is one of the reasons of your identity now or you would still be a nomadic tribe in Central-Asia
gsboss7 2 years ago
oh I taught u were Turkish
gsboss7 2 years ago
soranB55 you don't know what you are saying you uneducated retard.
SockFederation 2 years ago
Ok, Soran. I never said Turkey was the pinpoint of democracy. However, a military state can still be secular (Do you even know the definition of secularism?). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Kurdish rights but it really has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I was talking about Turkey and Islam, not Turkey and the Kurdish issue.
mustafacankibar87 2 years ago
What I mean is that when religious people in Turkey try to bully us into following their rules we have to fight back. The secular people in Turkey who are lucky enough to be enlightened must say "NO" and guide the way for our future generations to take a more enlightened path. The secular structure in the Turkish state is the only thing preventing the fundamentalists from running things according to their way.
mustafacankibar87 2 years ago
Turkey is not a secular state and it has never been. It is a military state and once Kemalism is over a real democracy may take over by recognizing Kurdistan as a seperate entity. Until then Turkey will suffer immensely.
soranB55 2 years ago
Isme bak ya birde adi mustafa olacak???!
I have to interfere! If you're making a statement pls do make a sensible one! I'm soo fu.king tired of this wanna be secularist bullsh.t! You have to explanin how and in which way, you're bullied?? Have the secs. ever been denied of any right in Turkey because their views, or the way they dress?? the good for nothing wanna be "ENLIGHTENED" secularists in Turkey have never been bullied but they do all kinds of suppression inthe name of SECULSRISM!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
HASIKTIR olum, ulan pic gormezmisin Soran denen pic Kurdistan Turkiyeden ayri olanakadar Turkiye cekecek diyor sen o pici koruyorsun .. olum hic mi uttanma yok. Bizim Gaziler, Mehmetcikler, Sehitler MUSLIMAN DEGIL MIDI LAN SEREFSIZ. Camiye Oramaz, butun gun 31 cekersin bilgisayar basinda, sonrada maniak maniak konusursun. Sen dini ne bilirsin pic
3choBlast3r 2 years ago
küfür etmeden ADAM gibi konusmayi ögren! Söylediklerinin hepsini 10 misliyle sana geri IADE ediyorum! esas senin anana söylediklerini yapmislar herhalde ki kuyruk acisini unutamadigin icin sürekli ona buna küfrediyorsun. Agzindan cikana dikkat et! Soran denen Kürdistan gevezeligi yapiyorsa ona göre cevap ver! tamam mi?
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
Ben karadenizliyim, vatanimi her salaga karsi korurum, bölücü kürtler ve gerici laikler dahil olmak üzere! Soran gerzegine kürdistani rüyanda görürsün diyecegine, ne diye Laiklik kahramanligi yapiyorsun? Ben Tr'yedeki kendini laik zanneden komplexliler gürühu yüzünden ülkemde okuyamadim! Ve bu sacmaliklara artik tahammül edemiyorum! anladin mi?Laiklik mi bizi kurtardi sanki?Bilmiyorsan söyliym: Milletimizin kalbindeki vatan aski ve bu askin asil kaynagi olan imanimiz!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
Mehmetcikler, gaziler sehit müslüman diye saydigin insanimizin cocuklari okula gidemiyor... cünkü laiklik laikciklere göre bunu engelliyormus... bu konu hakkinda ne düsünüyorsun??? laiklik gibi fuzuli bir konuyu burada öne cikarma! bizi biz yapan o kadar cok önemli degerimiz varken, bizi birbirime kirdiran bir seyi savundugun icin o yorumlari sana postaladim!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago
Because of this wanna be ignorant seculars Turkey has been wasting decades. But this has already started to change elhamdulillah! And about your bullsh.t statement about discrimination, take a look at turkish history and you'll see that throughout history, we've never discrimated and never will!
TheMagicHikaru 2 years ago