Err Sebastien Bourdais won 4 Champ car Championship and still suck so bad in F1. F1 drivers may not be so good in oval racing because they have expectations you know. But no driver from another series has every been successful at F1.
But didn't Jacque Villeneuve won the Indy 500,a Formula 1 World Championship and came 2nd in Les Man. That's pretty close to completing the triple crown.
I love the NASCAR road course races. Constantly bumping and half the time on two wheels. Too bad they don't do more of them; those ovals are so boring to watch on TV :(
All race car drivers that get to the position of a top level racing series of any kind must have some kind of talent, they all desire one thing and that is to get to the front faster than the next guy.As Tony Stewart, former Indycar champ, and former 'Nascar champ said it best. when he said " If it has 4 wheels and i motor, i will race it!!!!"\
NASCAR has an absolute gem of a driver in Jeff Gordon. I always knew he was good, but the feedback he got from Williams proved just HOW good - he was soon within respectable range of the fastest times of Juan Pablo Montoya and Ralf Schumacher, the team's regular drivers! Juan has certainly proved to be the best F1 export to NASCAR in the modern era (post Andretti and Gurney, basically). Perhaps it's Jeff's and Juan's versatility more than anything else that makes them so good. :-)
Something they didn't mention here is that Jeff Gordon was laying down really competitive times. Nascar drivers aren't stupid rednecks that only turn left, they know what they are doing behind the wheel.
P.S. everyone who is about to call me a stupid Nascar fanboy should know I would watch F1 or IRL over Nascar any day.
When you're driving on the ABSOLUTE LIMIT, it doesn't matter if it is a stock car, a F1 car, a touring car, a Le Mans prototype or a rally car: It all requires talent.
The best driver is always capable of extracting the most out of it. So, for me, it is bulshit to say the most talented drivers are from rally, circuit racing or oval racing. A racing driver can drive anything fast. Not race it, but drive it. Just drive it.
Racing, though, requires experience, a life time of experience.
@ArtificialRed1083 It is a hard question to ask who was the best driver in the world. But one it is pretty easy. Ayrton Senna was the FASTEST man ever to get into a racing car. And he was just great to use his speed to overcome his all his troubbles in a race. It doesn matter he never drove on a oval. Oval racing is just an american thing. Apart from Indy 500, it is nothing to the world.
Really. I'm actually discussing about Nascar because i'm so into motorsport that I watch all sort of racing.
one other thing about F1. How many drivers are in the series purely because of talent and ability? Three? Five? The rest are there because they buy their rides. They are run-of-the-mill drivers who are no better or worse than 100 other drivers you could pick out of a hat, but have an F1 ride because they bought it. If you gave a decent NASCAR driver a billion dollars and two years to get used to the car & circuits, they would be no worse than half the field in any F1 race. Example—Scott Speed.
@RRaquello Man, you are really just putting bullshit on your comment. F1 and Nascar are VERY diferent kind of racing series. What one requires for a driver, the other one doesn't do so much.
Sorry you can't understand that.
If you knew anything abour racing, you would know that top drivers in any top racing league are back to back with skill.
Does not use the example of Formula One drivers comming to Nascar and failling because we have never seen a Nascar driver in F1.
@jumentino Nascar drivers...No, let me put it this way, oval track drivers are much and way more used to fight on a race. Much in NASCAR is about seeing an oportunity and going for it. It is how to make a restart. It is how to use a momentum, keeping the speed and beeing able to drive alongside 50 other cars there are slower than you!. A flying lap on an oval is way much less agressive than a lap at normal track. But the oval race itself, it is more agressive. Overtaking all the time!!
And why we haven't seen a Stock Car driver on Formula 1? Because there not up to the task? No. The thing is that Formula 1 is just a diferent world. A diferent kind of racing.
The racing we see around the world - rallying, F Indy, F1, GT1, Le Mans, Touring car championships...they have drivers with a notch more of car control in every kind of situation. There is braking, direction change, elevation change, pavement change and etc. Battling the course and the car is very demanding by it self.
@RRaquello Three, Five? Do you know why more than half (but not MOST) of the F1 field pay for their rides? Well. Nascar and F1 are the top 2 motoring sports when it comes to money. But the way money is involved in both series is pretty different. The amount of money requiered to run a Nascar team is ridiculously smaller when you compare it to a middle field F1 team (ex:Sauber or Force India).And this is a point for Nascar and Indycar. But why?Nascar would not exist the teams didn't have profits.
@ArtificialRed1083 Senna was better at Formula 1 racing. Earnhardt was better at NASCAR. I like F1, NASCAR and IndyCar, but I don't buy that F1 guys are the best drivers in the world. They're the best at their particular form of racing not at EVERY form of racing. If I had to pick the best drivers, I'd say it was World Rally drivers. If you really want to press the point, Earnhardt did win at least one major series road course race. Senna NEVER won a race on an oval.
@SamDeMan1981 thats not what he did? he didnt even do it on the right side? he shifted up, and on the paddle shift that would have been a down shift.. look closer
f1 is my favorite but i like all racing. i don't get nascar where i live but if they would air it i would watch for sure. but i have to admit that i don't like oval tracks that much.
I remember talking years ago with an guy who was a big F1 fan and he insisted that F1 drivers were the best drivers in the world and could go into any racing series anywhere in the world and in a short time beat anyone in that series. Seeing how Montoya, C. Fittipaldi and Villeneuve have fared in their NASCAR ventures leaves me doubting that.
F1 drivers are the best in their specialty, F1, but that makes them no better than any other drivers.
@RRaquello well to be fair those drivers you mention did go to America when already well past their peak except Fittipaldi who never was any good in F1 either. I tend to think of a certain Nigel Mansell who took the CART title in his 1st year there when still reigning f1 champ.
@RRaquello Villeneuve was successful in America (94 Indy 500 rookie of the year, 95 winner, 95 CART champion) before finding success in F1 (96 championship runner-up, 97 winner). Despite being "past his prime" he's also come close to winning NASCAR road races as a part-timer and has also been fairly successful at Le Mans.
And don't forget his music career, he sold 836 albums!
@RRaquello They are better than others period. C. Fittipaldi never arrived in f1 and it was his father who won 2 world championships. Villeneuve won in the US and in F1. And why do u think every driver wants to drive a f1 car?
@SennaHamilton4ever Christian drove for Footwork and Minardi and scored points with them on multiple occasions. That was probably before you were born though...
@RRaquello I couldn't agree with you more.......well said. It's like if Jimmie Johnson went to F1, Michael Schumacher went to WRC, and Sebastian Loeb went to Nascar......it just wouldn't work. I have no doubt they will all be fast but it would be incredibly hard for them to be champions in a series that doesn't highlight their talents.
i grew up a nascar fan and still am, i like f1 to, they are just different, both have 4 wheels and both have there own pros and cons but if someone from either sport offered me a job i take it
f1 is better because it is the ultimate racing enviroment. no car can accelerate, turn or break as fast. nascar, on the other hand, is an american sport (if you know what I mean).
@JBurtonFan9931 yes, you are right. all american sports lack of soul. its always a bunch of padding statistics, fireworks and marketing. only baseball has a spirit on its own... but is boring as hell!
@gairero Making fun of americans? yeah thats real classy. And why can't people just accept the fact that all drivers are good why do people have to insist that there favorite motorsport has the best drivers I mean come on.
Bullshit, ever notice how any F1 driver that comes to NASCAR sucks? Jeff Gordon drove an F1 for the first time and almost broke track records, seems pretty easy to drive an f1.
@gairero You are a moron. Besides American sports are way better than any others. And America has the best athletes too. To prove that look at how bad we smoke all the other countries in basketball lol. But anyway like I said all drivers are good. There is no best and thats a fact whether you accept it or not.
@H3Forge do you know why any f1 driver goes to nascar, yes because they suck. they arn't good enough for f1 so they kick them out and they switch to something easier, nascar
@Kenny414G um your wrong about that f1 drivers make usually more than nascar drivers, look it up. and again montoya left because no one offered him a decent contract with f1, he had a better chance leaving and going with nascar
@SlamDuncDrummer You are wrong According to forbes. Formula one drivers make more money than Nascar drivers: Schumacher($34 Million), Alonso ($32 Million) and Hamilton ($30 Million) makes more money than the best payed NASCar Driver who is Dale Earnhardt, Jr. ($28.5 Million)
Schumacher has earned almost $1 billion in his career
@093012sh - here are the top ten 2010 numbers for F1 per numerous sources:
1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 30,000,000 2 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) 16,000,000 3 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 14,000,000 4 Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000 5 Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 8,000,000 6 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 8,000,000 7 Robert Kubica (Renault) 7,500,000 8 Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 5,500,000 9 Mark Webber (Red Bull) 4,200,000 10 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 3,800,000
People get on my nerves arguing about which is better whats it matter you cannot compare the two types of racing nascar tries to stay classic F1 is on the cutting edge of technology its POINTLESS TO ARGUE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!
@Fredd931 i dont think if hes trying to hit the paddle because he wasnt shifting down, i think hes fixing his glove. i could be wrong lol. good eye btw
This F-1 vs. NASCAR argument is so STUPID. Two completely different and completely awesome types of cars and racing. It's like comparing apples and oranges, people. Let's be glad we have both.
It's true that F1 cars are more capable and are an extension of the driver and all that but they still take them to the very edge of said capability, so they're not "easier to drive". Also not every car on the grid is set up perfectly, if any. There are plenty of times when the drivers are struggling with an understeering car or a tail happy car. Anyone that actually watches it intently and not just long enough to find things to point out and complain about knows this.
@joseralvin33 F1 hasn't allowed Traction Control for almost 5 years. Currently, its even harder to control F1 cars than normal because of the Pirelli Tires and the ban on Double-Diffusers.
Jeff Gordon is my favorite nascar druver in that hes pretty good on the road courses and he had the coolest car ever back in 04 with the blue and red flames.
@Stitch216 Thanks for admitting that. Most die hard F1 fans wouldnt dare speak those words of blasphemy. I love NASCAR and love F1. Watched Gordon and Button win in the same hour on sunday.
@snookpudge23 your a f-cked up person and so are 20 other people with thumbs up yes arguing on the web is stupid but thats a bad and offensive comparism in my opinion
@Im18nowletmewatch Yes there is lots of moeny in F1, but in NASCAR there is a lot more moeny for a lot more drivers. And you don't need to worry as much about getting a seat each season, if your in the top 10 in NASCAR then your considered a front runner. You have to be in the top 4 or 5 in F1 to be a front runner.
Though on a side note, while I may not be a fan of NASCAR (sorry, I'm more of a BTCC and WRC kinda guy) I'm very envious of Jeff Gordon considering he got to drive an F1 car. I can't even imagine what kind of a thrill that must've been for him.
I really miss the old V10 F1 sound, now they wanna make 4 cilinder (yes i'm not joking, try to check on google) engines for F1 for 2013 but they will make the turbo return.
@Nxtl68 There were 4 cylinder cars back in the day. For example, the BMW M12 that powered Nelson Piquet's Brabham BT52 to the World Drivers Championship in 1983 was a 1.5 liter turbocharged inline-4 that produced 800 to horsepower in qualifying trim. By 1986, that same engine was producing 1300hp in qualifying trim, that's almost 1000 horsepower per liter.
the only good nascar is on short tracks and road courses. restrictor plate racing is just strategy, who to draft, when to move, oops left out alone and you lose. f1 is pushing the limits of engineering, i just wish there were more top tier teams
Lol... I like how people forget about what type of cars were raced at the very beginning. Definitely nothing like a formula 1 car. Nascar still represents the good ole days. Formula 1is for modern technology. Racing is racing. If your a true racer or fan, then you wouldn't be talking shit about it.
In NASCAR the cars are made to be difficult to drive they're heavy, narrow tires, low downforce, 850HP with a huge torque curve, and 4 speed manual transmission. F1 uses the pinnacle of racing technology for pure speed. Two totally different kinds of racing the great thing about NASCAR is there's constant overtaking, lead changes, and constant slipstream battles so it becomes more about DRIVER vs DRIVER strategies rather than DRIVER vs CIRCUIT strategies in F1.
A lot of those "limitations" for nascar you mention are to reduce speeds. F1 has them too. F1 isn't really the pinnacle of technology because they don't have free reign over their aero equipment. The F1 teams have to build the fastest car within the rules set forth. Look at the change in rear wings in recent years, narrower wings don't provide better downforce. F1 has it's moments and I find them to be a lot more exciting although it can be dull at times.
@McFly2015AD what you describe is the oval part of racing. i ask you this what happens when you have these stock cars on a road course? the leader usualy pulls away there is very little pass and repass on a course vs a oval.
@arsenium666 how can you call f1 drivers pussies there going 200mph with 20 diffrent buttons to look at and press you have got to be one dumb fuck to call f1 drivers pussies. now in 2010 no traction control so its like driving on ice.
@arsenium666 : you are a 4 star ignoramus! in addition to traveling at blinding speeds and making life or death decisions in a fractional second, you have to be in tremendous physical shape to resist the immense amount of g's.
Different driving techniques, different breaking techniques, different set ups , different aerodynamics, different levels of grip, etc...why do people keep comparing the two? whats next Cricket vs Baseball? Rugby vs American Football? Just Enjoy It!
How about a day in May when you have Monaco GP early, The Indy 500 next and to cap the Super Sunday off The Coca Cola 600!!!
@rulovi Then explain to me, why Montoya decided to go race in NASCAR... If F1 was real racing as you think it to be, shouldn't it of been Gordon going to F1?
@raichiotto are you stupid? Gordon didn't go to F1 cause he hasn't got the skills, and Montoya came to Nascar when he was too washed up to keep his place in F1
Turns out it's a lot worse than that. He was only 1.2 seconds off of Montoya's fastest lap of the morning during what was more of a test session than a shake down. Williams is guilty of using the opportunity to learn a bit about the circuit and they did have JPM go out and give them the business.
@PulletSurprise My point is he had the talent to go to F1 if he wanted to, this was just with very limited track time in a totally unfamiliar car on a unfamiliar track layout. You try and get within 1.2 seconds under those conditions.
As for the Williams bit, if that was truly the case, it's a brilliant move even before the in-season testing ban that was implemented a couple years back.
My post was entirely complimentary about Gordon's run. There are lots of drivers who come up through lower formulae who get dropped into an F1 car and don't even complete a lap before they've spun off.
@ConsumingFire39 he reached 8th that's a little bit more than mid pack, for an average retired F1 driver... if a lot of nascar drivers could drive in F1 why NONE of them ever did? there's much more money, even jeff Gordon and Danica patrick said it was their dream... so the argument " they love nascar too much to go to F1" doesn't stand
@mouloudo How do you just bring up his best year to justify your position? Drivers really DO NOT want to drive in F1. Jeff Gordon would get tons of money to switch over and have a team. Why leave a more challening and fun series for something different? Gordon clearly showed he could get in the car and be fast.
@ConsumingFire39 more challenging? left.. left.. left... are you crazy? plus Jeff tested the car on an... OVAL! you cant compare their times, had he tested the car on a real F1 track, his time would have sucked watch?v=Sb8N6bGOvkY&feature=fvwrel take a look at this video, and you'll realise you're wrong, F1 is far more complex and demanding than nascar, they take a lot mor G's because of much more violent turns, acceleration and braking and the lines are far more difficult to find and to hold
@mouloudo The cars are so heavy and move around so much more. Car control is much, much more difficult. The cars are moving around a ton both aero and mechanical and they are constantly saving sideways 3500 pound cars. Feathering the throttle, it is also quite a bit different. F1 is more complex and more demanding on G forces. Nascar is much more demaning with regards to the heat in the car, and how physically hard it is to get the cars turned sometimes. It completely wears people out.
@ConsumingFire39 yeah they're heavy so according to your view trucks are more demanding to drive than ferraris for example... plus the tracks are not demanding, so even if they're heavy, you dont have to swing them around fluctuating turns, and brake every 5 seconds
@mouloudo A truck on a high banked racetrack would be more difficult than a farrari to drive... They run on road courses as well. A good video for you to watch is Edwards smokes Schumacher here on youtube. They are demanding in a different way. Did you see what Jeff Gordon actually ran (Lap time) in this video with no experience?
@ConsumingFire39 The reason why Open-wheeled drivers don't always look good compared to the rest of the closed-wheeled drivers is that open and closed wheel racing haver a TOTALLY different feel. As Gordon mentioned in the video, F1 cars do what the driver wants to while Sprint Cup cars have a numb feel to them. In conclusion, F1 takes more skill because if the driver touches the throttle even a bit too much or turns the wheel too much, he spins whereas Sprint Cup cars react less to movements.
@m1cr0w4v30v3n Your conclusion could not be more wrong. Stock cars do not do what they want and handle horribly, it is up to the driver to make time with an ill-handling car. These are on the brink of spinning out every single lap.
@ConsumingFire39 lol, I never said Sprint cars handle well. I was actually trying to say that they handled bad and you agreed with me, so I don't see how my assessment is wrong. Sprint cars are incredibly heavy, and they don't have good handling. F1 cars are extremely light and react to every twitch of a driver's hand. If your compare the figures, Sprint cars pull nearly 2G on an unbanked turn, whereas F1 cars pull 4G on an unbanked turn. All of that supports my assessment.
@m1cr0w4v30v3n I think F1 cars are superior in EVERY WAY. I am comparing how much the drivers have to do. The drivers have to work so hard in the Sprint cars. The worse the car handles, the more it is in the drivers hands.
@ConsumingFire39 The Sprint Drivers may have to fight the cars more, but they don't do as much as F1 driver while driving. F1 drivers have buttons and dials all over their steering wheels. They have to make adjusts every lap to tune brake bias, engine rating(fuel saving, performance, etc.), they have to shift, and they have to use KERS every lap to keep their lap times up. In addition, when approaching another car and going for the pass, they have to push the DRS button in the selected zone.
@mouloudo Gordon did not say his dream was to drive in F1 car. Lots of Nascar drivers want to drive Lambos but that does not mean they want to do it professionally. If guys wanted to make the switch, they would. Instead we see the opposite happen. Open wheel guys flock to Nascar only to fail one-by-one.
@ConsumingFire39 you said it! the opposite happens! hello! lol that's amazing you dont get it, if F1 drivers are offered a seat in nascar without any experience like Montoya and Raikonnen, and the opposite just wont happen, it clearly means that nascar guys dont have what it takes to even make one season in F1... its like you're saying a manager switch to a gas station job, but the opposite dont happen, that proves that the gas station job is better... that's retarded
@ConsumingFire39 You do know that both Gordon and Tony Stewart were open wheel guys before they came to Nascar yes? They've both done just fine for themselves. Montoya isn't a slouch either.
@loosekanen open wheel as in ? Gordon and stewart midget open wheel yes, stewart open wheel indy car yes; Gordon no. Just saying !! Gordon has not drove a car like this; stewart has.
When Montoya came to the US he knew next to nothing about cars by his own admission. Today he can dial in on what's going on with his car,as ANY respectable driver anywhere in the world should be capable of doing. Raikkonnen could be in trouble if he doesn't learn to speak up. It was an issue for him in F1 and it's beyond an imperative in NASCAR. He may well fail as has Franchitti, Villeneuve, Pruett, Hornish and quite a few others of strong repute.
- Ignuz, your bias is draining from your bullsh!t pores and you know it. Pastrana is in a lesser series and you sure do use the term 'competing' quite wrecklessly. The same applies to sticking - say David Stremme into an F3 car and declaring "see even Stremme can race formula cars - they're complete shit". It's plainly obvious that so many drivers from other disciplines have come en mass to NASCAR and failed because it's harder than anything they've attempted (in their own words).
and nascar is for anyone who likes nascar!! i dont no why everyone thinks that nascar is just for hicks its another form of racing. you all make fun of nascar for just driving in big fast circles.. well technically any track is just a huge ass circle you end up in the same place every time so all you nascar haters can just shut the fuck up.
@685nascarfan: Finally someone saying it like it is. Any racing series that completes laps, regardless if it is a road course, street course, or oval is technically doing a circle. Rally and drag racing are basically the only forms of motorsports were the drivers are not going in a circle.
Is this what made Montoya go to NASCAR?
rig48 1 month ago
Err Sebastien Bourdais won 4 Champ car Championship and still suck so bad in F1. F1 drivers may not be so good in oval racing because they have expectations you know. But no driver from another series has every been successful at F1.
But didn't Jacque Villeneuve won the Indy 500,a Formula 1 World Championship and came 2nd in Les Man. That's pretty close to completing the triple crown.
phantomloita 1 month ago 2
It's good to see people agreeing on how both F1 and NASCAR require skill, rather than bashing one or the other.
I love motorsports no matter what, a race car is a race car!
bryceb3ar 1 month ago
I love the NASCAR road course races. Constantly bumping and half the time on two wheels. Too bad they don't do more of them; those ovals are so boring to watch on TV :(
hectiky 2 months ago
All race car drivers that get to the position of a top level racing series of any kind must have some kind of talent, they all desire one thing and that is to get to the front faster than the next guy.As Tony Stewart, former Indycar champ, and former 'Nascar champ said it best. when he said " If it has 4 wheels and i motor, i will race it!!!!"\
chad4190 3 months ago
NASCAR has an absolute gem of a driver in Jeff Gordon. I always knew he was good, but the feedback he got from Williams proved just HOW good - he was soon within respectable range of the fastest times of Juan Pablo Montoya and Ralf Schumacher, the team's regular drivers! Juan has certainly proved to be the best F1 export to NASCAR in the modern era (post Andretti and Gurney, basically). Perhaps it's Jeff's and Juan's versatility more than anything else that makes them so good. :-)
azapro911 3 months ago
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BigWheelHawaii 2 months ago
Montoya lapped it in 1:17.2 and Gordon lapped it 1:18? That is very good
McFly2015AD 3 months ago
Something they didn't mention here is that Jeff Gordon was laying down really competitive times. Nascar drivers aren't stupid rednecks that only turn left, they know what they are doing behind the wheel.
P.S. everyone who is about to call me a stupid Nascar fanboy should know I would watch F1 or IRL over Nascar any day.
RebelSoul2010 3 months ago 4
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Pole position lap that year was 1,09. Jeff's fastest lap was 1,18
Shevabestfan 3 months ago
When you're driving on the ABSOLUTE LIMIT, it doesn't matter if it is a stock car, a F1 car, a touring car, a Le Mans prototype or a rally car: It all requires talent.
The best driver is always capable of extracting the most out of it. So, for me, it is bulshit to say the most talented drivers are from rally, circuit racing or oval racing. A racing driver can drive anything fast. Not race it, but drive it. Just drive it.
Racing, though, requires experience, a life time of experience.
jumentino 3 months ago 5
@ArtificialRed1083 It is a hard question to ask who was the best driver in the world. But one it is pretty easy. Ayrton Senna was the FASTEST man ever to get into a racing car. And he was just great to use his speed to overcome his all his troubbles in a race. It doesn matter he never drove on a oval. Oval racing is just an american thing. Apart from Indy 500, it is nothing to the world.
Really. I'm actually discussing about Nascar because i'm so into motorsport that I watch all sort of racing.
jumentino 3 months ago
Why are there people arguing about F1\NASCAR drivers are the best?
Matteger23 3 months ago
one other thing about F1. How many drivers are in the series purely because of talent and ability? Three? Five? The rest are there because they buy their rides. They are run-of-the-mill drivers who are no better or worse than 100 other drivers you could pick out of a hat, but have an F1 ride because they bought it. If you gave a decent NASCAR driver a billion dollars and two years to get used to the car & circuits, they would be no worse than half the field in any F1 race. Example—Scott Speed.
RRaquello 4 months ago
@RRaquello Speed was bullshit!
GwinDavies 3 months ago
@RRaquello Man, you are really just putting bullshit on your comment. F1 and Nascar are VERY diferent kind of racing series. What one requires for a driver, the other one doesn't do so much.
Sorry you can't understand that.
If you knew anything abour racing, you would know that top drivers in any top racing league are back to back with skill.
Does not use the example of Formula One drivers comming to Nascar and failling because we have never seen a Nascar driver in F1.
jumentino 3 months ago
@jumentino Nascar drivers...No, let me put it this way, oval track drivers are much and way more used to fight on a race. Much in NASCAR is about seeing an oportunity and going for it. It is how to make a restart. It is how to use a momentum, keeping the speed and beeing able to drive alongside 50 other cars there are slower than you!. A flying lap on an oval is way much less agressive than a lap at normal track. But the oval race itself, it is more agressive. Overtaking all the time!!
jumentino 3 months ago
And why we haven't seen a Stock Car driver on Formula 1? Because there not up to the task? No. The thing is that Formula 1 is just a diferent world. A diferent kind of racing.
The racing we see around the world - rallying, F Indy, F1, GT1, Le Mans, Touring car championships...they have drivers with a notch more of car control in every kind of situation. There is braking, direction change, elevation change, pavement change and etc. Battling the course and the car is very demanding by it self.
jumentino 3 months ago
@RRaquello Three, Five? Do you know why more than half (but not MOST) of the F1 field pay for their rides? Well. Nascar and F1 are the top 2 motoring sports when it comes to money. But the way money is involved in both series is pretty different. The amount of money requiered to run a Nascar team is ridiculously smaller when you compare it to a middle field F1 team (ex:Sauber or Force India).And this is a point for Nascar and Indycar. But why?Nascar would not exist the teams didn't have profits.
jumentino 3 months ago
@ArtificialRed1083 Senna was better at Formula 1 racing. Earnhardt was better at NASCAR. I like F1, NASCAR and IndyCar, but I don't buy that F1 guys are the best drivers in the world. They're the best at their particular form of racing not at EVERY form of racing. If I had to pick the best drivers, I'd say it was World Rally drivers. If you really want to press the point, Earnhardt did win at least one major series road course race. Senna NEVER won a race on an oval.
RRaquello 4 months ago
@RRaquello Senna never raced on an oval... unfair comparison
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unak78 5 months ago
WATCHING THIS MAKES ME MISS THE OLD CARS IN NASCAR GDI!
LilxCaboose 5 months ago
Was this before Montoya moved to NASCAR
Wyatttorix95 5 months ago
@Wyatttorix95 Yes.
nascarfanatic2425 5 months ago
Montoya reminds me Rocky Balboa... Seems to be fun....
CesarROcana 5 months ago
Bring back V10s!
NottinghamForest22 6 months ago
I miss those engines.
iTitanium 6 months ago
it would be nice to se Jeff Gordon on f1 maybe he would be competitive who knows...
arthur061992 6 months ago
Watch Montoya at 3:04 go for the paddle shift with his left hand - FAIL
SamDeMan1981 6 months ago
@SamDeMan1981 thats not what he did? he didnt even do it on the right side? he shifted up, and on the paddle shift that would have been a down shift.. look closer
starksy17 6 months ago
Jeff and Juan are of that rare breed of driver who could be competitive behind the wheel of any wheeled vehicle in a few seasons.
blze0001 6 months ago
f1 is my favorite but i like all racing. i don't get nascar where i live but if they would air it i would watch for sure. but i have to admit that i don't like oval tracks that much.
australian v8 and german dtm is also lot's of fun
Funkdogg 7 months ago
Jeff - Holy Shit! There's Sooooo much grip! THIS IS AWESOME!
Juan - Holy Shit! There's Nooooo Grip! FFFUUUUUUUUUU!
imatragety 7 months ago 78
Jeff's head almost popped off
:-O
MotorCityMonster2012 7 months ago
I remember talking years ago with an guy who was a big F1 fan and he insisted that F1 drivers were the best drivers in the world and could go into any racing series anywhere in the world and in a short time beat anyone in that series. Seeing how Montoya, C. Fittipaldi and Villeneuve have fared in their NASCAR ventures leaves me doubting that.
F1 drivers are the best in their specialty, F1, but that makes them no better than any other drivers.
RRaquello 7 months ago 23
@RRaquello
there we go! someone who understands!
bichut 6 months ago
@RRaquello well to be fair those drivers you mention did go to America when already well past their peak except Fittipaldi who never was any good in F1 either. I tend to think of a certain Nigel Mansell who took the CART title in his 1st year there when still reigning f1 champ.
Cadmuss 5 months ago
@RRaquello Villeneuve was successful in America (94 Indy 500 rookie of the year, 95 winner, 95 CART champion) before finding success in F1 (96 championship runner-up, 97 winner). Despite being "past his prime" he's also come close to winning NASCAR road races as a part-timer and has also been fairly successful at Le Mans.
And don't forget his music career, he sold 836 albums!
qckm 5 months ago 2
@RRaquello They are better than others period. C. Fittipaldi never arrived in f1 and it was his father who won 2 world championships. Villeneuve won in the US and in F1. And why do u think every driver wants to drive a f1 car?
SennaHamilton4ever 1 month ago
@SennaHamilton4ever Christian drove for Footwork and Minardi and scored points with them on multiple occasions. That was probably before you were born though...
darthbandon10 2 weeks ago
@darthbandon10 Minardi and footwork do not count as F1 teams, they are like HRT and Virgin...
SennaHamilton4ever 2 weeks ago
@SennaHamilton4ever They were in the midfield when Fittipaldi was driving.
darthbandon10 2 weeks ago
@RRaquello I couldn't agree with you more.......well said. It's like if Jimmie Johnson went to F1, Michael Schumacher went to WRC, and Sebastian Loeb went to Nascar......it just wouldn't work. I have no doubt they will all be fast but it would be incredibly hard for them to be champions in a series that doesn't highlight their talents.
AlexD0e 3 weeks ago
damn his pretty good [ Jeff ]
TheV12ferrari 7 months ago
i grew up a nascar fan and still am, i like f1 to, they are just different, both have 4 wheels and both have there own pros and cons but if someone from either sport offered me a job i take it
wheelman113 7 months ago
f1 is better because it is the ultimate racing enviroment. no car can accelerate, turn or break as fast. nascar, on the other hand, is an american sport (if you know what I mean).
gairero 7 months ago
@gairero I think you are trying to be a little smart ass dick making fun of Americans. So, am I right?
JBurtonFan9931 7 months ago
@JBurtonFan9931 yes, you are right. all american sports lack of soul. its always a bunch of padding statistics, fireworks and marketing. only baseball has a spirit on its own... but is boring as hell!
gairero 7 months ago
@gairero You mean it takes a higher skill set....yes I do know what you mean....
BlackTipGP1200 6 months ago
@gairero Making fun of americans? yeah thats real classy. And why can't people just accept the fact that all drivers are good why do people have to insist that there favorite motorsport has the best drivers I mean come on.
Kenny414G 6 months ago
@Kenny414G this is a youtube forum. what kind of "class" where you expecting. and yes f1 has the best drivers, period.
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero
Bullshit, ever notice how any F1 driver that comes to NASCAR sucks? Jeff Gordon drove an F1 for the first time and almost broke track records, seems pretty easy to drive an f1.
H3Forge 6 months ago
@H3Forge I said "period". do you know what that means? it means I'm right and you are retarded. PERIOD.
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero
"ooh, I said period so that means i'm automatically right"
You're wrong, Period.
Look I said it too, so it cancelled yours out..
Period.
Oh look, another one, that means I'M RIGHT
H3Forge 6 months ago
@H3Forge No. it only works when I say it. Umad tho?
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero
Not mad at all, just having fun with an obvious troll ;)
H3Forge 6 months ago
@H3Forge thanks for accepting that I'm right...
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero
Yup, you're wrong, thanks for accepting it...
H3Forge 6 months ago
@H3Forge ok, kisses.
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero You are a moron. Besides American sports are way better than any others. And America has the best athletes too. To prove that look at how bad we smoke all the other countries in basketball lol. But anyway like I said all drivers are good. There is no best and thats a fact whether you accept it or not.
Kenny414G 6 months ago
@Kenny414G sure, americans sports are better than real sports... and I am not a mormon by the way.
gairero 6 months ago
@gairero What so called real sports are you talking about? And I said moron not mormon lol
Kenny414G 5 months ago
@Kenny414G Because basketball is the only sport...
bigtitties1234 5 months ago
@H3Forge do you know why any f1 driver goes to nascar, yes because they suck. they arn't good enough for f1 so they kick them out and they switch to something easier, nascar
1BYEBYE1 6 months ago
@1BYEBYE1 No they go to nascar because of more money. Besides look at Montoya. He sucks in both but he still had more success in F1 than in Nascar
Kenny414G 6 months ago
@Kenny414G um your wrong about that f1 drivers make usually more than nascar drivers, look it up. and again montoya left because no one offered him a decent contract with f1, he had a better chance leaving and going with nascar
1BYEBYE1 6 months ago
@1BYEBYE1 - actually as a whole, NASCAR drivers make more than F1 drivers:
Alonso is the highest paid at $42 Million.
Earnhardt Jr. is the second highest at $35 Million.
The next highest paid F1 drivers are Button, Hamilton and Massa at $14 million each.
Jeff Gordon took in $27 Million plus in 2010.
Jimmy Johnson $24 Million plus in 2010.
F1 and NASCAR are different:
NASCAR pay drivers a base plus percentage of winnings plus merchandise.
F1 pays a retainer. Some drivers have endorsements.
SlamDuncDrummer 5 months ago
@SlamDuncDrummer You are wrong According to forbes. Formula one drivers make more money than Nascar drivers: Schumacher($34 Million), Alonso ($32 Million) and Hamilton ($30 Million) makes more money than the best payed NASCar Driver who is Dale Earnhardt, Jr. ($28.5 Million)
Schumacher has earned almost $1 billion in his career
In 2004 was payed more than $80 million
093012sh 5 months ago
@093012sh - here are the top ten 2010 numbers for F1 per numerous sources:
1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 30,000,000 2 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) 16,000,000 3 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 14,000,000 4 Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000 5 Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 8,000,000 6 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 8,000,000 7 Robert Kubica (Renault) 7,500,000 8 Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 5,500,000 9 Mark Webber (Red Bull) 4,200,000 10 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 3,800,000
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unak78 5 months ago
@SlamDuncDrummer 1 US dollar = 0.6938 euros
Alonso actually makes $43 million in US. In a way, you're both right. After Alonso the pay is about the same after you convert it.
unak78 5 months ago
@093012sh - These are the top 5 NASCAR 2010 numbers from Forbes:
1. Earnhardt Jr. = $30 Million
2. Jeff Gordon = $26 Million
3. Jimmy Johnson = $24 Million
4. Tony Stewart = $24 Million
5. Carl Edwards = $18-22 Million estimated - his salary and merchandise sales are not published.
NASCAR drivers have a different compensation system than F1. They have a base salary, percentage of winnings, merchandise sales and bonus money.
NASCAR earnings dropped almost 10% in 2010 due to economy.
SlamDuncDrummer 5 months ago
People get on my nerves arguing about which is better whats it matter you cannot compare the two types of racing nascar tries to stay classic F1 is on the cutting edge of technology its POINTLESS TO ARGUE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!
LBigJake14 7 months ago
I love Nascar and Formula 1 win win for me
nappa666 7 months ago
I MISS THE V10 ENGINES!
eduds6 7 months ago
3:03 You can see Montoya try to hit the flappy paddles in the stock car, LOL
Fredd931 7 months ago
@Fredd931 i dont think if hes trying to hit the paddle because he wasnt shifting down, i think hes fixing his glove. i could be wrong lol. good eye btw
E3isdaking 7 months ago
i wouldnt mind having jeff gordon on f1
Mjayz96 7 months ago 3
@nobusan84 Win, win, win haha. I think he would have done well
thomasg2488 7 months ago
This F-1 vs. NASCAR argument is so STUPID. Two completely different and completely awesome types of cars and racing. It's like comparing apples and oranges, people. Let's be glad we have both.
CannibalDave 7 months ago 2
It's true that F1 cars are more capable and are an extension of the driver and all that but they still take them to the very edge of said capability, so they're not "easier to drive". Also not every car on the grid is set up perfectly, if any. There are plenty of times when the drivers are struggling with an understeering car or a tail happy car. Anyone that actually watches it intently and not just long enough to find things to point out and complain about knows this.
evsnova74 7 months ago
How were their lap times compared to other drivers in the series?
EndMLMHeadaches 7 months ago
F1 have help allow "Traction Control"! NASCAR not allow "Traction Control" I think Jeff Gordon won't there F1 bec Cheats Traction Control it not fair
joseralvin33 7 months ago in playlist NASCAR-#24-JEFF GORDON
@joseralvin33 F1 hasn't allowed Traction Control for almost 5 years. Currently, its even harder to control F1 cars than normal because of the Pirelli Tires and the ban on Double-Diffusers.
m1cr0w4v30v3n 7 months ago
@joseralvin33 They outlawed traction control in F1 a few years ago, go look at the FIA F1 rule book
thomasg2488 7 months ago
Gordon- "this thing is so fast and has tons of grip!"
Montoya- "this thing is so slow has has no grip!"
FreakyKing2 8 months ago
nascar like a truck shifter lol
kabasti 8 months ago
1:45 whiplash much? lol
amescher100 8 months ago
F1 is the best sport, but omg, i dont know what sounds better than that V8...
Clinton06 8 months ago
@Clinton06 it v10
ghurghust 8 months ago
and i love the sound of those late 90s and early 2000s f1 engines.
kungfuninja55 8 months ago
Jeff Gordon is my favorite nascar druver in that hes pretty good on the road courses and he had the coolest car ever back in 04 with the blue and red flames.
kungfuninja55 8 months ago
f1 like a misile!!!!
nikosave 8 months ago
better than ide anyway.
feretro 8 months ago
Jeff Gordon could of made a decent F1 driver. he's a pretty good road racer in Cup.
Nxtl68 8 months ago
Gordon's lap was alright, surprisingly. Not pushing the limits but it wasn't his car...maybe Nascar isn't as talentless as I thought.
Montoya, on the other hand...crap in an F1 car and crap in Nascar. Talentless little shit.
Stitch216 9 months ago
@Stitch216 Thanks for admitting that. Most die hard F1 fans wouldnt dare speak those words of blasphemy. I love NASCAR and love F1. Watched Gordon and Button win in the same hour on sunday.
ChiefJive2448 7 months ago
F1 and NASCAR are like the NFL and Rugby - World class skills in one, won't necessarily make the transition to the other.
F1archivesDotCom 9 months ago
im amazed that he actually drove pretty ok
rastamees 9 months ago
arguing on the inter net is like competing in the special Olympics..... weather you win or not your still retarded
snookpudge23 9 months ago 23
@snookpudge23 I love the irony of your comment. You mean "whether"...
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 ya i cant spell for shit
snookpudge23 8 months ago
@snookpudge23 the funny thing is you can't spell wether. lol retard
windflasher0 7 months ago
@snookpudge23 Especially when you try to be snarky and you spell "whether" wrong....
Im18nowletmewatch 7 months ago
@snookpudge23 ah ah ah nice one !
geforce5700fx 6 months ago
@snookpudge23 *Whether*
davidvan34 6 months ago
@snookpudge23 your a f-cked up person and so are 20 other people with thumbs up yes arguing on the web is stupid but thats a bad and offensive comparism in my opinion
MrBabyD095 6 months ago
@snookpudge23 whether*
KennyQuattro 6 months ago
Just saying. Kimi Raikkonen is coming to NASCAR. Is he washed up too???. thank not.
bsmashingu24 9 months ago
@bsmashingu24 No, he likes money. Whether people like it or not, If you want to make money in a Sport and lots of it the USA is the place to go.
seroyer2 7 months ago
@seroyer2 Feel free to correct me, because I honestly don't know, but there's a fair share of money in F1 as well, isn't there?
Im18nowletmewatch 7 months ago
@Im18nowletmewatch Yes there is lots of moeny in F1, but in NASCAR there is a lot more moeny for a lot more drivers. And you don't need to worry as much about getting a seat each season, if your in the top 10 in NASCAR then your considered a front runner. You have to be in the top 4 or 5 in F1 to be a front runner.
seroyer2 7 months ago
Though on a side note, while I may not be a fan of NASCAR (sorry, I'm more of a BTCC and WRC kinda guy) I'm very envious of Jeff Gordon considering he got to drive an F1 car. I can't even imagine what kind of a thrill that must've been for him.
DanteJoseCuervo 9 months ago
I really miss the old V10 F1 sound, now they wanna make 4 cilinder (yes i'm not joking, try to check on google) engines for F1 for 2013 but they will make the turbo return.
Fidelis94 9 months ago
@Fidelis94 i will quit f1 if they make 4 cylinder cars.
Nxtl68 8 months ago
@Nxtl68 Oh God no, its bad enough that they changed the car configurations with the rear wing design. I hate it.
tambunansumlang 8 months ago
@Nxtl68 There were 4 cylinder cars back in the day. For example, the BMW M12 that powered Nelson Piquet's Brabham BT52 to the World Drivers Championship in 1983 was a 1.5 liter turbocharged inline-4 that produced 800 to horsepower in qualifying trim. By 1986, that same engine was producing 1300hp in qualifying trim, that's almost 1000 horsepower per liter.
unityd3v 8 months ago
This was a seemingly good lap of Gordon
Mauros95 9 months ago
the only good nascar is on short tracks and road courses. restrictor plate racing is just strategy, who to draft, when to move, oops left out alone and you lose. f1 is pushing the limits of engineering, i just wish there were more top tier teams
olov244 9 months ago
Lol... I like how people forget about what type of cars were raced at the very beginning. Definitely nothing like a formula 1 car. Nascar still represents the good ole days. Formula 1is for modern technology. Racing is racing. If your a true racer or fan, then you wouldn't be talking shit about it.
24Streamline 9 months ago
I never see a Nascar race so I cant say nothing :P
terrorista31 9 months ago
In NASCAR the cars are made to be difficult to drive they're heavy, narrow tires, low downforce, 850HP with a huge torque curve, and 4 speed manual transmission. F1 uses the pinnacle of racing technology for pure speed. Two totally different kinds of racing the great thing about NASCAR is there's constant overtaking, lead changes, and constant slipstream battles so it becomes more about DRIVER vs DRIVER strategies rather than DRIVER vs CIRCUIT strategies in F1.
McFly2015AD 9 months ago 38
@McFly2015AD
A lot of those "limitations" for nascar you mention are to reduce speeds. F1 has them too. F1 isn't really the pinnacle of technology because they don't have free reign over their aero equipment. The F1 teams have to build the fastest car within the rules set forth. Look at the change in rear wings in recent years, narrower wings don't provide better downforce. F1 has it's moments and I find them to be a lot more exciting although it can be dull at times.
xplat 7 months ago
@McFly2015AD what you describe is the oval part of racing. i ask you this what happens when you have these stock cars on a road course? the leader usualy pulls away there is very little pass and repass on a course vs a oval.
ImmortalSenna 7 months ago
@McFly2015AD never heard it put like that before. Well done :)
DemonDrummer1018 7 months ago
@WoOSprintCars THE SAME THING....LEFT TURNS......THE MOST STUPID EXCUSE FOR SAID THAN NASCAR IS BORED....NO IGNORANCE!!!
42nascarfan 9 months ago
I like F1 better then NASCAR..Nothing says dance with death like going fast with your ass a foot from the ground
CosmicDestroyer99 9 months ago
@arsenium666 how can you call f1 drivers pussies there going 200mph with 20 diffrent buttons to look at and press you have got to be one dumb fuck to call f1 drivers pussies. now in 2010 no traction control so its like driving on ice.
MRXxXELMOxXx 9 months ago
F1 drivers: pussies
Nascar drivers. drunk old chaps
arsenium666 9 months ago
@arsenium666 : you are a 4 star ignoramus! in addition to traveling at blinding speeds and making life or death decisions in a fractional second, you have to be in tremendous physical shape to resist the immense amount of g's.
rmed30 9 months ago
it looks funny how Montoya gears up at 3:05 lol
11112213314415516617 9 months ago
down with nascar!! f1's WAYYYY better!!
Trevor10 9 months ago
Different driving techniques, different breaking techniques, different set ups , different aerodynamics, different levels of grip, etc...why do people keep comparing the two? whats next Cricket vs Baseball? Rugby vs American Football? Just Enjoy It!
How about a day in May when you have Monaco GP early, The Indy 500 next and to cap the Super Sunday off The Coca Cola 600!!!
avidal7 9 months ago
I really don't understand how you can say NASCAR is more difficul than F1.... It's like comparing a bus to a fighter jet
yomama629 9 months ago
F1 is for those who like strategical racing.
NASCAR is for those who like aggressive driving.
kooltomax 10 months ago
@kooltomax F1 is for those who know what real racing is NASCAR is for those who like to sleep with their own daughters
rulovi 9 months ago
@rulovi Then explain to me, why Montoya decided to go race in NASCAR... If F1 was real racing as you think it to be, shouldn't it of been Gordon going to F1?
raichiotto 9 months ago
@raichiotto are you stupid? Gordon didn't go to F1 cause he hasn't got the skills, and Montoya came to Nascar when he was too washed up to keep his place in F1
mouloudo 9 months ago
@mouloudo During this test he got within a second of the grid, I imagine if he had signed for the next year he would've been in the points easily.
raichiotto 9 months ago
@raichiotto
Turns out it's a lot worse than that. He was only 1.2 seconds off of Montoya's fastest lap of the morning during what was more of a test session than a shake down. Williams is guilty of using the opportunity to learn a bit about the circuit and they did have JPM go out and give them the business.
1.2 seconds down over a handful of laps.
PulletSurprise 9 months ago
@PulletSurprise My point is he had the talent to go to F1 if he wanted to, this was just with very limited track time in a totally unfamiliar car on a unfamiliar track layout. You try and get within 1.2 seconds under those conditions.
As for the Williams bit, if that was truly the case, it's a brilliant move even before the in-season testing ban that was implemented a couple years back.
raichiotto 9 months ago
@raichiotto
My post was entirely complimentary about Gordon's run. There are lots of drivers who come up through lower formulae who get dropped into an F1 car and don't even complete a lap before they've spun off.
PulletSurprise 9 months ago
@mouloudo Montoya ran up front in F1 and is mid-pack in Nascar. A lot of Nascar drivers could drive in F1.
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 he reached 8th that's a little bit more than mid pack, for an average retired F1 driver... if a lot of nascar drivers could drive in F1 why NONE of them ever did? there's much more money, even jeff Gordon and Danica patrick said it was their dream... so the argument " they love nascar too much to go to F1" doesn't stand
mouloudo 8 months ago
@mouloudo How do you just bring up his best year to justify your position? Drivers really DO NOT want to drive in F1. Jeff Gordon would get tons of money to switch over and have a team. Why leave a more challening and fun series for something different? Gordon clearly showed he could get in the car and be fast.
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 more challenging? left.. left.. left... are you crazy? plus Jeff tested the car on an... OVAL! you cant compare their times, had he tested the car on a real F1 track, his time would have sucked watch?v=Sb8N6bGOvkY&feature=fvwrel take a look at this video, and you'll realise you're wrong, F1 is far more complex and demanding than nascar, they take a lot mor G's because of much more violent turns, acceleration and braking and the lines are far more difficult to find and to hold
mouloudo 8 months ago
@mouloudo The cars are so heavy and move around so much more. Car control is much, much more difficult. The cars are moving around a ton both aero and mechanical and they are constantly saving sideways 3500 pound cars. Feathering the throttle, it is also quite a bit different. F1 is more complex and more demanding on G forces. Nascar is much more demaning with regards to the heat in the car, and how physically hard it is to get the cars turned sometimes. It completely wears people out.
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 yeah they're heavy so according to your view trucks are more demanding to drive than ferraris for example... plus the tracks are not demanding, so even if they're heavy, you dont have to swing them around fluctuating turns, and brake every 5 seconds
mouloudo 8 months ago
@mouloudo A truck on a high banked racetrack would be more difficult than a farrari to drive... They run on road courses as well. A good video for you to watch is Edwards smokes Schumacher here on youtube. They are demanding in a different way. Did you see what Jeff Gordon actually ran (Lap time) in this video with no experience?
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 The reason why Open-wheeled drivers don't always look good compared to the rest of the closed-wheeled drivers is that open and closed wheel racing haver a TOTALLY different feel. As Gordon mentioned in the video, F1 cars do what the driver wants to while Sprint Cup cars have a numb feel to them. In conclusion, F1 takes more skill because if the driver touches the throttle even a bit too much or turns the wheel too much, he spins whereas Sprint Cup cars react less to movements.
m1cr0w4v30v3n 7 months ago
@m1cr0w4v30v3n Your conclusion could not be more wrong. Stock cars do not do what they want and handle horribly, it is up to the driver to make time with an ill-handling car. These are on the brink of spinning out every single lap.
ConsumingFire39 7 months ago 2
@ConsumingFire39 lol, I never said Sprint cars handle well. I was actually trying to say that they handled bad and you agreed with me, so I don't see how my assessment is wrong. Sprint cars are incredibly heavy, and they don't have good handling. F1 cars are extremely light and react to every twitch of a driver's hand. If your compare the figures, Sprint cars pull nearly 2G on an unbanked turn, whereas F1 cars pull 4G on an unbanked turn. All of that supports my assessment.
m1cr0w4v30v3n 7 months ago
@m1cr0w4v30v3n I think F1 cars are superior in EVERY WAY. I am comparing how much the drivers have to do. The drivers have to work so hard in the Sprint cars. The worse the car handles, the more it is in the drivers hands.
ConsumingFire39 7 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 The Sprint Drivers may have to fight the cars more, but they don't do as much as F1 driver while driving. F1 drivers have buttons and dials all over their steering wheels. They have to make adjusts every lap to tune brake bias, engine rating(fuel saving, performance, etc.), they have to shift, and they have to use KERS every lap to keep their lap times up. In addition, when approaching another car and going for the pass, they have to push the DRS button in the selected zone.
m1cr0w4v30v3n 7 months ago
@m1cr0w4v30v3n Honestly, that is a good assesment and I completely agree with you.
ConsumingFire39 7 months ago
@mouloudo Gordon did not say his dream was to drive in F1 car. Lots of Nascar drivers want to drive Lambos but that does not mean they want to do it professionally. If guys wanted to make the switch, they would. Instead we see the opposite happen. Open wheel guys flock to Nascar only to fail one-by-one.
ConsumingFire39 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 you said it! the opposite happens! hello! lol that's amazing you dont get it, if F1 drivers are offered a seat in nascar without any experience like Montoya and Raikonnen, and the opposite just wont happen, it clearly means that nascar guys dont have what it takes to even make one season in F1... its like you're saying a manager switch to a gas station job, but the opposite dont happen, that proves that the gas station job is better... that's retarded
mouloudo 8 months ago
@ConsumingFire39 You do know that both Gordon and Tony Stewart were open wheel guys before they came to Nascar yes? They've both done just fine for themselves. Montoya isn't a slouch either.
loosekanen 8 months ago
@loosekanen open wheel as in ? Gordon and stewart midget open wheel yes, stewart open wheel indy car yes; Gordon no. Just saying !! Gordon has not drove a car like this; stewart has.
ScottieTooHottie84 7 months ago
@rulovi F1 is for retards who cant drive a real car. NASCAR is for those who don't act like little bitches when a car get near them in a race.
kooltomax 9 months ago
F1 cars sound sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better
M4nBearFrog 10 months ago
@M4nBearFrog Ya kidding
theMstanglover 9 months ago
@M4nBearFrog HOW! That V8 engine kills the F1 besides the sound quality doesn't seem too good.
theMstanglover 9 months ago
Just listen to the differences on sounds: 1:20 and 2:26 . Which sounds better?
Canukki93 10 months ago
When Montoya came to the US he knew next to nothing about cars by his own admission. Today he can dial in on what's going on with his car,as ANY respectable driver anywhere in the world should be capable of doing. Raikkonnen could be in trouble if he doesn't learn to speak up. It was an issue for him in F1 and it's beyond an imperative in NASCAR. He may well fail as has Franchitti, Villeneuve, Pruett, Hornish and quite a few others of strong repute.
JPhinfan86 10 months ago
- Ignuz, your bias is draining from your bullsh!t pores and you know it. Pastrana is in a lesser series and you sure do use the term 'competing' quite wrecklessly. The same applies to sticking - say David Stremme into an F3 car and declaring "see even Stremme can race formula cars - they're complete shit". It's plainly obvious that so many drivers from other disciplines have come en mass to NASCAR and failed because it's harder than anything they've attempted (in their own words).
JPhinfan86 10 months ago
and nascar is for anyone who likes nascar!! i dont no why everyone thinks that nascar is just for hicks its another form of racing. you all make fun of nascar for just driving in big fast circles.. well technically any track is just a huge ass circle you end up in the same place every time so all you nascar haters can just shut the fuck up.
685nascarfan 10 months ago
@685nascarfan: Finally someone saying it like it is. Any racing series that completes laps, regardless if it is a road course, street course, or oval is technically doing a circle. Rally and drag racing are basically the only forms of motorsports were the drivers are not going in a circle.
83rdFloor 10 months ago
His helmet is not fitted to the car..
BonakiD24 10 months ago