this is a very old style,ive read that thumb rings have been found in turkey that are over 5,000 years old.made of bone and copper.have u ever used linen strings?
I didn't want to litter your page with comments. Anyway I hope the comment regarding Chrisitans in Turkey did not offend. I think it was just an honest question from one of the ML guys.
Why did you remove your previous comment? The best resources to the way I shoot are these youtube videos and our website (Its on my profile). You may also want to check gokmenpasha and abdulkabza ' s profiles. We intend to make slow motion film of the release soon. I'll let you know.
You are supposed to move your thumb and finger backwards. If you relax your fingers and let go, its called "dead release", if you flick and consequently move your hand sideways its called "plucking"; both are undiserable. During dead release your not using the bow's potential and during plucking you are causing deviation to the arrows trajectory. Your hand must move backwards. When pulling the string, dont just pull with your thumb, try also to apply pressure with your index finger.
"try also to apply pressure with your index finger"
Dear Adyona, that's new to me, what I was taught and what manuals stress is that the draw comes form pressing the thumb into the middle finger and the forefinger should be loose, giving little pressure. I rather though forefinger's function is rather to stop the thumb in case it slips during the draw, was I wrong then or it's sometihng different coming to play here?
Found this on Atarn by Bede today: "Instead of using the ring to spread the pressure over the pad of the thumb, [most people] are using the hoop of the ring to transfer the pressure to the sides and back of the thumb. This can cause problems with long term use. The commonest are calluses on the thumb. With strong bows you would feel pressure and perhaps pain on the sides of the distal knuckles of the thumb."
When you apply slight pressure on the tip of your thumb with your index finger it will help spreading the pressure over the pad. Thus you wont hurt your knuckles of your thumb. It is also better leverage for pulling. I didnt mean you should lock your finger over your thumb.
OK, after talking with Murat, it appears that intenionally applying too much pressure with the index finger may cause the arrow to bend at full draw. That will affect the dynamic spine, which is unwanted. So forget what I said. Sorry...
Nope, I'm just courious of every piece of advice as I find that any subtle change in the technique can make a huge difference in the outcome, it's exaclty like learning to ride a horse ; )
Ok, two days ago I tried to draw a 55# bow without locking the forefinger over the thumb. Without the forefinger giving sufficient preasure keeping the thumb in place no way I could draw the bow, thumb alone was giving up early during the draw.
Your comments encouraging application of slight pressure using forefinger (without locking) made a lot of sense. Without that, I guess, one needs to have exceptionally strong thumb to pull the string without hooking it with the thumb itself.
Also I did not understand why in the comment above you said that the arrow will bend at full draw. There's hardly anything other than the string which is in contact with the arrow nock.
Unless you have a long thumb, it is most likely that your index will touch the nock or the feathers. If you apply to much pressure at that point, it is possible that you will push the back of the arrow towards the bow (center of the draw) which will cause the arrow to bend. Hope that makes sense...
not sure what a thumbstring is- is there a special string needed for this sort of archery?
I was going to just give it a go with the thumb ring and standard string, in lieu of the release I am presently using on the all-too-rare occasion I take the bow out.
I wear a thumbring (jewelry) regularly, and will give it a go using it as a release next time I go shoot my bow.
As it is, it's marking up the slide on my 1911, so may come off when I shoot the pistol.
I've used a three-finger release with the bow before, and a two finger a few times. Two finger without the thumbring gets a bit tiring, as you can imagine- flexor cramps. I think the leverage of a thumbring coulb make all the difference.
I may ask Murat later on, but I have never heard that it wears out the string more than the "three fingers" technique. Also you need to take into consideration that the ring is only there to protect the thumb. It works as a leverage tool; you still apply pressure with your thumb and release by unlocking your string hand, you do not actually pull with the ring and you do not chirp the string on release. The string slides over the ring.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with me. I currently only use the "three fingers" on recurves, but I am pretty sure that the thumb ring is a technique that may be required to pull the draw weight on heavier composite/ horn bows. I look forward to learning more about the thumb ring forms and others as well. Thanks again.
I'm sure that the millions of Central Asian and Turkic archers who used them for 1000+ years would have at least mentioned it once or twice if the wear from their thumbrings was a significant problem.
EXCELLENT! and thanks for posting your video! I have another video in my camera which is a bit more 'tradtional' than my first titled 'thumbring tradtional archery' or some such thing. I need to post that soon.
Wish I had a mentor like Morat for 1 to 1 instruction!
Shoot strait!
Jason (aka Rhysthurin, aka Cleenrelees on the Leatherwall)
My fletchings leave red paint specks on my handle...
crazychris0003 11 months ago
what the use of it
faisalkfpm 11 months ago
where can you buy one?
ugcsred2011 1 year ago
so is this the original use of a ring?
yellowfellow 2 years ago
This is the Turkish way. There are other asian schools of thumb release too...
adyona 2 years ago
this is a very old style,ive read that thumb rings have been found in turkey that are over 5,000 years old.made of bone and copper.have u ever used linen strings?
5tonyvvvv 2 years ago
I didn't want to litter your page with comments. Anyway I hope the comment regarding Chrisitans in Turkey did not offend. I think it was just an honest question from one of the ML guys.
33justjoshin 2 years ago
I sent a mail to Joshua regarding that comment. No harm done...
adyona 2 years ago
What do you mean by move your hand back? How did you learn? Can you direct me to any good info on the internet?
Thanks for helping me.
33justjoshin 2 years ago
Why did you remove your previous comment? The best resources to the way I shoot are these youtube videos and our website (Its on my profile). You may also want to check gokmenpasha and abdulkabza ' s profiles. We intend to make slow motion film of the release soon. I'll let you know.
adyona 2 years ago
Comment removed
33justjoshin 2 years ago
You are supposed to move your thumb and finger backwards. If you relax your fingers and let go, its called "dead release", if you flick and consequently move your hand sideways its called "plucking"; both are undiserable. During dead release your not using the bow's potential and during plucking you are causing deviation to the arrows trajectory. Your hand must move backwards. When pulling the string, dont just pull with your thumb, try also to apply pressure with your index finger.
adyona 2 years ago
Make a video of yourself and I' ll try to guide you further or I'll find someone who can...
adyona 2 years ago
"try also to apply pressure with your index finger"
Dear Adyona, that's new to me, what I was taught and what manuals stress is that the draw comes form pressing the thumb into the middle finger and the forefinger should be loose, giving little pressure. I rather though forefinger's function is rather to stop the thumb in case it slips during the draw, was I wrong then or it's sometihng different coming to play here?
Ashbow2 2 years ago
Hi Ashbow2,
Found this on Atarn by Bede today: "Instead of using the ring to spread the pressure over the pad of the thumb, [most people] are using the hoop of the ring to transfer the pressure to the sides and back of the thumb. This can cause problems with long term use. The commonest are calluses on the thumb. With strong bows you would feel pressure and perhaps pain on the sides of the distal knuckles of the thumb."
adyona 2 years ago
When you apply slight pressure on the tip of your thumb with your index finger it will help spreading the pressure over the pad. Thus you wont hurt your knuckles of your thumb. It is also better leverage for pulling. I didnt mean you should lock your finger over your thumb.
adyona 2 years ago
OK, after talking with Murat, it appears that intenionally applying too much pressure with the index finger may cause the arrow to bend at full draw. That will affect the dynamic spine, which is unwanted. So forget what I said. Sorry...
adyona 2 years ago
Nope, I'm just courious of every piece of advice as I find that any subtle change in the technique can make a huge difference in the outcome, it's exaclty like learning to ride a horse ; )
Ashbow2 2 years ago
Ok, two days ago I tried to draw a 55# bow without locking the forefinger over the thumb. Without the forefinger giving sufficient preasure keeping the thumb in place no way I could draw the bow, thumb alone was giving up early during the draw.
Ashbow2 2 years ago
Your comments encouraging application of slight pressure using forefinger (without locking) made a lot of sense. Without that, I guess, one needs to have exceptionally strong thumb to pull the string without hooking it with the thumb itself.
Also I did not understand why in the comment above you said that the arrow will bend at full draw. There's hardly anything other than the string which is in contact with the arrow nock.
Please explain. Thank you!
sgsawant 2 years ago
Unless you have a long thumb, it is most likely that your index will touch the nock or the feathers. If you apply to much pressure at that point, it is possible that you will push the back of the arrow towards the bow (center of the draw) which will cause the arrow to bend. Hope that makes sense...
adyona 2 years ago
Thanks!
sgsawant 2 years ago
Where do you buy archery thumbrings? I have searched the internet but to no real avail.
SonofBenevolence 2 years ago
We have several ringmakers within our group.
adyona 2 years ago
Hi, you can visit my site, we are hungarian archers, we do have in 2009. juli.4-5 an really nice event in Hungary. any videos are on my playlist..thx
szuku76 3 years ago
VERY cool. I will be looking for a thumbring for my strongside hand (already wear one on the other) to use for my compound and the wife's recurve
burntkat 3 years ago
Do you use a thumbstring with your compound? Thats interesting!
adyona 3 years ago
not sure what a thumbstring is- is there a special string needed for this sort of archery?
I was going to just give it a go with the thumb ring and standard string, in lieu of the release I am presently using on the all-too-rare occasion I take the bow out.
burntkat 3 years ago
Sorry, I meant "thumbring", not "thumbstring"! :-)
Monday morning feeling! Sorry about that!
adyona 3 years ago
Understood, and no worries.
I wear a thumbring (jewelry) regularly, and will give it a go using it as a release next time I go shoot my bow.
As it is, it's marking up the slide on my 1911, so may come off when I shoot the pistol.
I've used a three-finger release with the bow before, and a two finger a few times. Two finger without the thumbring gets a bit tiring, as you can imagine- flexor cramps. I think the leverage of a thumbring coulb make all the difference.
burntkat 3 years ago
you look like the singer from system of a down
mymothersmeatloaf 3 years ago
I thougth he hate S.o.a.d like me :) Cos he is TURK
SancharKhan 3 years ago
sihapiler onu tersine makata akıp saat te 240 km ye cıkarıolardı gavur hala cozemediler :D
blade408 3 years ago
Does it wear out the string?
I would guess it does unless the silver or whatever material is softer than the string.
I suppose this is not a problem since this traditional method has been around for centuries
consistentbass 3 years ago
I may ask Murat later on, but I have never heard that it wears out the string more than the "three fingers" technique. Also you need to take into consideration that the ring is only there to protect the thumb. It works as a leverage tool; you still apply pressure with your thumb and release by unlocking your string hand, you do not actually pull with the ring and you do not chirp the string on release. The string slides over the ring.
adyona 3 years ago
Thank you for you reply. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with me. I currently only use the "three fingers" on recurves, but I am pretty sure that the thumb ring is a technique that may be required to pull the draw weight on heavier composite/ horn bows. I look forward to learning more about the thumb ring forms and others as well. Thanks again.
consistentbass 3 years ago
I'm sure that the millions of Central Asian and Turkic archers who used them for 1000+ years would have at least mentioned it once or twice if the wear from their thumbrings was a significant problem.
sopmodm4 3 years ago
Lots of these are made of bone, but I've not seen silver before. No, they don't hurt the string.
PaulyCracker 3 years ago
O yüzüğün adı "zihgir" dir. Zihgirler metal, kemik, boynuz, fildişi ve yarı değerli taşlardan yapılır. Ayrıca tatar yayı değil Osmanlı kemankeş yayı
theinfinityone 4 years ago
-O gümüş yüzüğün(yahut adını bilemiyorum) hikmeti nedir?
-3 parmak çekerken daha fazla güçle çekildiği kesin fakat 2 parmaktan teknik farkı nedir?
-Ayrıca Yay tatar yayı denilen yaylardan mı?
Çok güzel video.Teşekkürler.
halfmumi 4 years ago
dostlar gümüş bir zihgir edinmek istiyorum..kim satar.. yılmaz beyde guzel denemeler vardı..
sihingalkan 4 years ago
This lock is "pillion"?
bigeyeshot 4 years ago
Mert,
EXCELLENT! and thanks for posting your video! I have another video in my camera which is a bit more 'tradtional' than my first titled 'thumbring tradtional archery' or some such thing. I need to post that soon.
Wish I had a mentor like Morat for 1 to 1 instruction!
Shoot strait!
Jason (aka Rhysthurin, aka Cleenrelees on the Leatherwall)
rhysthurin 4 years ago