Men Can Stop Rape Celebrates 10 Years of Work with Young Men

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe And at some point, hopefully, you'll go to jail for it. Or for a threat of this kind, assuming you make them in real life, too. Good thing people like you take care of their own fate. And good thing, really, that I don't know any waste of space like you in real life.

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe Ah, so you ARE a rapist then. Don't see what you were complaining about earlier.

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe Boohoo, look at the little baby crying and throwing his milk bottle at random strangers. "No one gets me, so I'll just flip shit at everyone using words I don't understand yet..."

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe One person's use of one word isn't that powerful, especially if that person is someone who just blindly repeats catch phrases like "beware - marxism!" and "my first amendment right" bla bla.

My previous post was aimed at letting you know how little you sound as though you know anything about the subject matter and that your wording makes you look like a gigantic asshole. Realising that you actually ARE one changes matters, of course. You don't seem the type who benefits from subtlety.

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe Wow. Watch your language, please. "B***" is a sexist, demeaning term that you shouldn't use unless you want to come across as a total dickhead.

What I'm wondering is this: have you ever ASKED why the woman who felt raped by you did so in the first place? These situations don't arise out of nowhere. Basically, it is VERY convenient to just declare all rape victims liars instead of trying to get behind the reasons for why you are being accused of rape.

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe Well, the punishment you mentioned earlier IS more than a slap on the wrist. Still, the punishment for the actual crime should be higher. Much. Higher. Which it rightly is. *shrugs* I don't see your problem.

Incidentally, where did you get that statistic from? It doesn't match the ones I've encountered, nor anyone I know who actually works in the field and deals with these things on a day to day basis. The percentages of false accusations I've heard are significantly lower.

[mrsockolate]

@11220joe What a society we live in, where assault is punished harsher than a lie! You clearly have no concept of the difference between social responsibility and an individual grudge. Pfff.

[tink037]

@vbritsi "I don't want to guess what might happen, I want to know for sure."

You do know. I know that if I was brought up in the third world in a war-torn country, I'd be a different person than if I was brought up the daughter of the president of the USA. I would have a different worldview, personality, and I'd make different choices. Our environment affects us.

"this group is a slap in the face to men in general."

No. It challenges the false notion that masculinity must be domineering.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Fighting rape is not anti-male.

People claiming that society encourages men to rape women is anti-male.

Using that claim to justify the creation of a program where it is advocated that ALL men should be taught at young ages not to force themselves on women is anti-male for two reasons.

1. Men aren't the only rapists.

2. Only a small minority of the population (that's men and women) commit rape.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

How do you think that would make someone feel? Being told that because of their sex they are a potential danger to society. Being told that masculinity needs to be "fixed".

I guarantee if a group called "Women can stop false rape allegations" was founded and claimed that ALL young women should attend there would be an uproar from feminists (female and male) and women in general

It would be called sexist and misogynistic hate speech

But "Men can stop rape"? That's just milk and honey

[tink037]

@Jmnzz

"Being told that because of their sex they are a potential danger to society."

That's exactly what I'm NOT saying. I'm saying that a person's SEX does NOT indicate your potentional danger to society. I'm saying that our social constructions of masculintiy/femininity are dangerous. Society has definitions for these categories and if you don't fit into that box then you are labeled some nasty words and maybe even attacked (like gay bashing).

[tink037]

@tink037 *potential* danger..... oops

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"That's exactly what I'm NOT saying."

I didn't say you were. I was responding to your claim that people attack those who want to "fight rape" and claim they are putting out an anti-male message. Because you feel that people who attack the misandry promoted in this video and the group that created it are somehow proof that society does not despise rape.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"I'm saying that our social constructions of masculintiy/femininity are dangerous."

I am saying that masculinity and femininity are words. Words that were created to put a name on the observations of how men and women act.

It is a very simple observation.

Men build everything while protecting women and children.

Women focus on taking care of children and the home.

Human beings naturally fell into these roles. Men didn't force women into these roles as many feminists propagate.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

It is when men created technological advances (cities, automated machines, farming networks, etc) that made survival almost guaranteed that women began to shed their role of homemaker as it was not the only option they were limited to anymore.

This was obviously met with a little resistance and scorn by some people (men AND women) from society who couldn't handle change.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

It was at this time that a few select people (feminists) began reinventing history and claiming that everything masculine was inherently evil or "dangerous" and that femininity was an oppressive man made invention.

It was easy for the leading women among feminists to do this because they no longer had to rely on men to survive. Ironic thing is if it wasn't for men this wouldn't be the case. But I digress.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Society has definitions for these categories and if you don't fit into that box then you are labeled some nasty words and maybe even attacked"

Society has definitions for masculinity and femininity based off of observations made over countless generations.

With few exceptions, all civilizations follow the same base pattern. Men provide and protect. Women care for the home. When men advance technology far enough, women step out of the home.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

The majority of people attacked for not fitting into definitions of masculinity are men, as femininity is rarely attacked (feminists attack it the most).

Men are attacked for acting like men. Even at young ages. In schools boys are drugged up because their teachers, which are mostly women, do not know how to handle them.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Men are told that natural male aggressiveness is somehow wrong when it was this very aggressiveness that protected (and still protects) civilizations for generations.

Men are told that their inherent competitive nature is wrong. That the desire to want to always come out on top is wrong. Without these masculine traits the, which give men the desire to do something or make something better than what the last guy did, advanced technology wouldn't exist.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Men are told that male sexuality is inherently wrong and must be "fixed" in order to protect women. They are told this mostly by feminists and men who work with feminists. Like the ones in this video.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

There is a reason why every time a man sees a pretty woman he thinks of sex. It is because he is biologically hardwired to do so. If he wasn't, if men were not biologically hardwired to aggressively seek out as many mates as possible, civilization would not exist.

There would not have been enough people to outweigh the staggering deaths mankind suffered in the past.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

The only socially constructed versions of masculinity that are dangerous are the ones that claim the natural masculine traits men hold are somehow bad and that the only "good" form of masculinity is a more feminine masculinity.

Men who act more like women because it is repeatedly ground into their heads that they should do so are becoming more socially accepted because the traits that come natural to men are no longer needed for the immediate survival of mankind.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz This is exactly why I asked you what masculinity/femininity mean to you.

They are different than being male or being female. Sex doesn't = gender.

All this is telling men and boys is that while society may be telling you that masculinity is domineering or that violence is manly, that they don't have to be like that to be a man.

Men are not born with societal notions of what masculinity is. Women aren't born knowing what feminity is. We must ignore/refute society and be ourselves.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Sex doesn't = gender."

Gender was defined by the actions of what each sex did.

"All this is telling men and boys is that while society may be telling you that masculinity is domineering or that violence is manly, that they don't have to be like that to be a man."

And this is the point of what I have been saying. Men don't act this way to prove they are men. They act this way because they are men. You cannot "fix" what is natural. But oh how feminists try.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz "Gender was defined by the actions of what each sex did."

Then what of feminine men or mascline women? What about transmen, transwomen, intersexed people, third gender people etc.

How do they fit into these boxes of what men and women are supposed to be?

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

As I already said humans are not bound by biology.

Doesn't mean it isn't there.

People don't have to conform to what they are.

I could get my genitals removed, throw on a dress, and start dating men. Doesn't mean my instincts will disappear.

[Jmnzz]

I think where we have to agree to disagree is the level of influence and direction biology vs. society has on men and women

The feminist reasoning behind why mostly men seek leadership positions is male privilege or societal pressure.

My reasoning is because in general men are natural leaders. That is, men don't like being led and will only accept the lead of others if those leaders prove themselves capable of leading.

That is true male dominance.

Disagree? Oh well. I respect your diversity.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Men are not born with societal notions of what masculinity is. Women aren't born knowing what feminity is"

No men and women are not born with the knowledge of what masculinity and femininity are. They are born with masculine and feminine traits.

The reason why people placed a name on it is because that is what humans do.

"We must ignore/refute society and be ourselves."

If everyone did that there would be no feminism or MRM because there would be little conflict between the sexes.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz I said: "We must ignore/refute society and be ourselves."

You said:

"If everyone did that there would be no feminism or MRM because there would be little conflict between the sexes."

BINGO!

That is exactly my point. That's what I want. Little conflict and the abilty to cope with the ones that come up. Problem solved.

I don't want there to be a need for feminism or a men's movement or a queer movement or whatever. I want peace.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

We want the same thing but I suspect we have different views on what that same thing is

When I say if everyone ignored society I mean if certain groups would stop taking issue with natural traits. But with the further advancement of technology that is impossible

That is the gift and curse of humanity, the ability to deny biology. Natural traits that were once a necessity are becoming more useless. With that development some will want to hold on and others wont. Conflict is inevitable

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

While I know everything I have said will do little to change your mind on this issue I still suggest that you should rethink your stance on it.

Let me give you a small example of why by using your own words in my example.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"All this is telling men and boys is that while society may be telling you that masculinity is domineering or that violence is manly, that they don't have to be like that to be a man."

Men don't have to be violent anymore because mankind is no onger living in forests and jungles. Male aggressiveness is what kept women and children safe from the dangers of the world.

Example: If some natural disaster took away our technological advancements, men and women would revert back

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[Jmnzz]

@tink037

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to their original roles for survival. Where men being violent was needed for survival.

Example 2: When violence is needed to protect people it is mostly men who are the ones fighting, shooting, or killing.

Someone breaks into a family's home. The man protects them with violence.

Someone is attacked on the street. A man is usually the one who comes to that person's aid with violence.

Men are not violent to prove they are men. They are violent because they are men.

[Jmnzz]

This is not to say that men are the only violent sex. Women can be just as violent as men. Especially now a days when female violence is all but ignored by the law.

What I am saying is that when people are in danger the person or persons that will most likely be coming to the rescue, whether it is their job or not, will most likely be male. Because men are aggressive and violent. Not just violent against other people, but violent against the natural and technological dangers of the world.

[Jmnzz]

Men are protective of those weaker than themselves.

Protection often requires violence.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz "female violence is all but ignored by the law."

And why is that? Because women are seen as weak and men who can't handle a woman's abuse is a wimp. These are the kinds of things that I think are BS and need to be changed. You are fighting against the idea of changing our perceptions of gender.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"And why is that? Because women are seen as weak and men who can't handle a woman's abuse is a wimp"

Actually it is because of feminist created laws such as VAWA, which states that only men should be arrested in DV disputes.

And by the way, it is feminists who argue that this is true justice because even though reciprocal DV is nearly equal between men and women, feminists feel that because women receive more severe injuries when men finally hit back that women are bigger victims.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

It is feminists who hold up the "women are weak" stereotype.

It is feminists who argue that because even though women can be just as violent as men, since they can't do as much damage they should be ignored by the law when it comes to violence.

Read VAWA and why feminists support it. It is all there.

I wouldn't really care if another guy thought me to be a wimp as long as the police arrest the woman hitting me.

But because of feminism it is law to only arrest men.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz "It is feminists who hold up the "women are weak" stereotype."

Puh. Not any of the feminists I know do this. Maybe the liberal ones. As an anarchist and a radical feminist I can't stand liberal "feminists" for reasons you already stated (perpetuating stereotypes, using the state to create unjust laws etc)

I think you and I have a common enemy in liberal feminists. There's something we agree on.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Truth be told I'm something of an anarchist myself. I wish there were no laws. But since there are, I want them to actually be just.Not give advantage to one gender over the other.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"All this is telling men and boys is that while society may be telling you that masculinity is domineering"

Being dominant is another male trait that brought about advanced civilization.

I am not talking about the feminist version of dominant. You know the one played out in every domestic violence PSA that shows the "abusive dominant male" towering over the "helpless woman"

I am talking about the natural desire most men have to want to lead, not follow.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

In general, men will not follow someone unless they feel them worthy enough to lead.

This was more apparent before advanced technology democracy but it can still be observed everyday.

Think about it. Men in the past did not want to place their lives in the hands of a man they felt could not handle the leadership role. So they challenged him. They fought for dominance.

Same thing still happens today, just in different ways such as sports.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

There is nothing wrong with being dominant. Or at least there used to be nothing wrong with it until feminism came along and decided to make "male dominance" their number one target in the destruction of masculinity.

When you see men and boys trying to be better and more dominant than other men and boys it is an enactment of past men who were trusted enough by other men to lead civilizations.

Of course sometimes it can be comically crude, like the school bully.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

And I admit it can even be dangerous at times, like in gangs. However, for the most part it is still a good trait to have this day and age.

If you want to blame society for anything you can blame it along with feminism for the confused state the male population is in right now. We are told our natural traits are wrong and must be "fixed"

[tink037]

@Jmnzz Stop saying rape is natural.

And don't tell me you aren't saying this. You keep saying it over and over again.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz What it comes down to is you believe that everything can be explained by biology. I don't. Society has a big role to play in the way it shapes people.

So we aren't going to get anywhere. All I can hope to have come out of this is that maybe you understand that not all feminists are the same (I'm the feared radical feminist by the way). But I happen to love men and I respect the tough spot they have in the "gender war" as do women.

Groups like this have their hearts in the right place

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"What it comes down to is you believe that everything can be explained by biology."

No. What it comes down to is you believe that the cultures of civilizations influence the actions of people more than biology.

You are wrong.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

There are many different cultures throughout the world where people act differently. However, the base actions of every civilization remains the same due to biological traits and instincts. People on one side of the planet did the same things as people on the other side of the planet before either civilization knew of the other.

Men were men and women were women.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Society has a big role to play in the way it shapes people."

It sure does. But not as big as the role biology plays. People adapt to their current environments and pass on the knowledge of how to survive and advance in those environments.

People are taught how to advance in our current society by their parents. So people are taught to follow the norms of this society. However, this society would not exist without what it is based on. The biological traits of human beings.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Groups like this have their hearts in the right place"

The road to destruction is paved with good intentions.

I can understand how someone can be upset that it is socially acceptable for women to be thought of generally as homemakers.

However, when you take your own personal grievances and distort the truth by saying society is to blame for the roles women have played throughout history and that it will all go away if we just grind it into our children long enough

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[Jmnzz]

@tink037

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you risk (for lack of a better term) fucking up the minds of our youth. A perfect example is the state a lot of men are in now. Afraid of and some even disgusted with their own natural masculine traits because people (feminists) keep saying there is something wrong with masculinity.

I already know not all feminists are the same.

But all feminist groups have the same core beliefs. All of the ones I know of anyway.

And not one of those core beliefs is kind to masculinity.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Not agreeing with and or not wanting to conform to a biological trait is fine. People can and do choose to do this.

But propagating that there is something inherently wrong with those traits is in my opinion, despicable.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

In reality. The things you are attacking and claiming are "social constructs" are natural male traits.

The real social constructs are what groups like feminism are trying to force men to conform to.

You can't take natural traits that have developed over one hundred thousand years and throw them away just because they aren't needed as much for survival.

[tink037]

@vbritsi The evidence is in everyday life.

If you bring up a child to believe in "eye for an eye" or to "solve" his/her problems with violence, or to believe that most people are your enemy, and you surround the child with these messages in the media as well guess what would happen. The child sees violence and dominance as a way to cope.

If you teach the child peacemaking and communitcation and surround the child with messages of cooperation, respect and equality guess what would happen.

[tink037]

@vbritsi I'm not going to pretend that PSAs prevent rape. Neither do laws.

Socialization does however. We live in a culture of violence. We are surrounded by it so much so that we don't even notice it anymore. We're desensitized. If we could change the way we all deal with each other on a day to day basis, work together to stop violence of all kinds (assaults, murders, rapes, poverty, war, gangs, exploitation, ) then we have a chance.

I belive in our humanity so I only want to appeal to that

[tink037]

@vbritsi What have I not been honest about exactly?

Do you believe that society does not exist? We are not taught anything? There is no social pressure for males and females to be certain things? That we are not punished for being "abnormal."

Men are not under a serious amount of pressure to be manly? Women are not under pressure to be supermodel thin? We are born with these pressures?

Tell me what your truth is.

[tink037]

@vbritsi Then tell me how you would do it....

[tink037]

@vbritsi I'm an anarchist. I do not wish to create more laws. I wish to create equitable relationships among men, women and others. Like I said before, "law does nothing" and "law doesn't prevent anything from happening"

The only way you can create respect among the sexes is to start challenging gender norms and expectations for males and females.

It's not brainwashing. We've already been brainwashed into our gender roles. We've been taught them all our lives. Time to start deprograming.

[tink037]

@vbritsi It is NOT offensive to ackowlege that the majority of rapists are men. They recognize that soemthing is wrong with the culture so they are working to stop perpetuating sexist perceptions, ideas and speech.

Just like only straight people can stop gay bashing.

How can gay people stop people from beating them up? They can't. They have no control over straight people. And the straight people who are homophobic are not going to listen to gay people about how they should care about gays.

[tink037]

@vbritsi Law does NOTHING to stop rape. It doesn't matter if its illegal or not if it continues. Law doesn't PREVENT anything from happening. It therefore, is inadequate and usless to the people who have been raped, murdered etc.

Why is it that you see gang activity in impoverished areas? Because the poor are naturally criminially inclined?

Why is it that nonwhites are generally poorer? Are they lazy?

To say that all these are the result of biology is classist, racist and sexist.

[tink037]

@vbritsi ...so then you accept that men rape because they are hardwired to do so?

If you accept this then you are implying that it can't be changed.

So is that why you consider fighting against sexism and rape a waste of time? Men rape because its in their nature? That's the logical conclusion if you follow the biological line of thinking.

I know you can't really have such a low opinion of men deep down. Please explain. Why would you oppse men who stand up with women against injustice?

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

It's very simple. Men and women are mammals, a step above animals. Before advanced technology, literature, and philosophy there were instincts. Survival instincts to be exacted. Men spread their seed and women chose the best mate.

Times are different now. Humans don't act like animals and mate with whoever they see but it is still in our biology to do so.

The difference is humans are not bound by biology.

Sexism has nothing to do with rape. That's feminist propaganda.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz Right humans are not bound by biology. We also have to consider what messages society is sending us and what kind of behavior that encourages.

I'm not just talking about individual men who "hate women." I'm talking about how society (media, school, family, etc) portrays men AND woman and how it shapes our behavior.

Of course men and women have a few biological differences yet these are so small and yet we act as if we are from different planets. This is due to socialization.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Of course men and women have a few biological differences yet these are so small and yet we act as if we are from different planets"

They are small to those who follow feminism because feminism chooses to ignore their significance.

The differences feminism acknowledges are the ones that feminism finds fault with and propagates that they must be "fixed" or destroyed.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Rape is most commonly an act committed out of lust and an inability to deny biological influences and desires. Not some tool men use to proclaim "power over women" because of negative "societal influences"

Do some men and women rape to intentionally hurt others? Sure. But that is a minority to the majority.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

I said nothing about the feminist propagated "gender socialization" theory.

I said sexism has nothing to do with rape.

However, since this is what you are obviously implying, I will respond. Our society is not one that encourages rape. This is not just more feminist propaganda it is an outright lie and the main basis of the feminist "rape culture" theory. A disgusting misandric theory.

Accidentally deleted this response the first time so re-posting it.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz Wait, you are the one that said: "humans are not bound by biology" and now I say it and you tell me that's feminist propaganda? All I am stating is just basic sociology 101. You don't have to be a feminist to know it.

Are you really saying that the culture we are brought up in has nothing to do with our behavior?

I don't understand. How am I knocking men when I say that they are not inherently rapists? That its not all about biology? How is saying that our culture is sick misandric?

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"We also have to consider what messages society is sending us and what kind of behavior that encourages.

I'm not just talking about individual men who "hate women." I'm talking about how society (media, school, family, etc) portrays men AND woman and how it shapes our behavior.

Of course men and women have a few biological differences yet these are so small and yet we act as if we are from different planets. This is due to socialization."

That is feminist propaganda.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Are you really saying that the culture we are brought up in has nothing to do with our behavior?"

When you imply that it is the main reason rape occurs, yes.

When it is implied that masculinity and femininity are a "social construct" then yes.

Men were men and women were women long before G.I. Joe and Barbie were invented.

Society influences people but people are far less bound to society than they are to biology.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz

"Men were men and women were women long before G.I. Joe and Barbie were invented."

No one is denying there have always been males and females and that certain roles have been attached to them. But its also true that these roles and expectations change over time. That's what I'm saying. Male and female (& intersexed people) are constant. But GENDER isn't as constant as one's SEX. Things change. Gender is more fluid. We are not that different.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Yes things do change. But many things remain the same.

"We are not that different."

And at the same time we are.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

That is why societal norms constantly change and biological norms, for the most part remain the same.

"I don't understand. How am I knocking men when I say that they are not inherently rapists?"

Because you instead claim that society is to blame and it is not. Men are not inherent rapists. Men are breeders. The change that has happened over thousands of years is men have to do far more than build a house and fend off some wild animals to secure a mate.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz

Whoa. Men rape because they are “breeders.”? They can't help it?

Can you not see that by taking a biological determinist perspective you ARE blaming men and you ARE saying they are potential rapists and it can’t be changed

Rapists are assholes but they are also weak over conformists. They aren’t just looking to score. They feel emasculated and want to feel powerful because they aren’t. I’m not claiming individual men have more power than individual women. That’s not what patriarchy means

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"Whoa. Men rape because they are “breeders.”? They can't help it?

Can you not see that by taking a biological determinist perspective you ARE blaming men and you ARE saying they are potential rapists and it can’t be changed"

Maybe you should read everything I say before responding. Then you won't make incorrect statements such as this

"They aren’t just looking to score. They feel emasculated and want to feel powerful because they aren’t."

Actually. They are just looking to score.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Men are biologically wired to breed with as many women as they can. However things have changed. Some men, a significantly small minority of the male population decide to act on those biological impulses without regard to female consent.

It is as simple as that.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"That its not all about biology? How is saying that our culture is sick misandric?"

Because you are implying the theory of rape culture.

That theory states that our "male dominated patriarchal society" is a society that encourages the rape of women (ignoring the raping of men and boys by women) and excuses the false accusations of rape by women claiming that slut shaming is the only reason they lie.

If you don't see the misandry in that well then congratulations you're a feminist.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz What do masculinity/feminity mean to you?

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

What does that have to do with the original point of this discussion? You know the point about how rape has nothing to do with sexism, nothing to do with the feminist propagated patriarchy theory, and nothing to do with "societal constructs".

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Here is something you can't seem to grasp. People weren't always the self righteous philosophical know it alls everyone pretends to be now.

People used to be one tiny step above animals. There was a time when humans could not even speak. A time when the only thing that mattered was eating and breeding.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz "Here is something you can't seem to grasp. People weren't always the self righteous philosophical know it alls everyone pretends to be now."

I can't grasp that huh? That's funny since 2 of my favorite subjects are sociology (the study of society) & anthropology (the study of humanity). I know that when humans created language that's when we started fucking up. Language is representation and all representation is false. With agriculture things really went downhill. But we won't go there

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"I can't grasp that huh? "

Claiming that rape is enacted because of societal encouragement instead of uncontrolled biological instincts is a prime example of someone who cannot grasp the fact that the act of "rape" used to be the act of continuing the human race before higher learning and morality were invented.

But we won't go there.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Take a look at the animal kingdom sometime. There was once very little difference between humans and animals.

There was no dinner and a movie or fancy jewelry men had to pay for to win the affections of women. The only thing men had to do was keep women alive. There were no questions because there was no language. Men and women just mated.

There was no concept of morality because morality wasn't invented yet.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Now that humanity has a conscience, a conscience imbeded into civiliztions for generations, sex is considered one of the holiest of holys that should not be enacted unless both parties want to.

In short, humans, the only mammals on the planet not bound by their biology, have set aside their biological instincts. Our brains are sophisticated enough to allow us to detest something as natural as breeding because we have surrounded it with the morality of choice.

[Jmnzz]

However, a small minority chooses to ignore morality and an even smaller minority can't help it do to mental instability

Notice how "social constructs" that encourage rape are not mentioned here

That's because there are none

Our society encourages violence, drug abuse, theft, murder, and promiscuity. Not rape

You can routinely see theft and fighting being glorified. Many men and women brag about fighting and stealing and are popular for it

I don't see any popular people that brag about rape

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

But since all of this seems to be over your head I will put it in simpler terms.

How exactly can you even suggest that our society encourages rape in the slightest when the first thing that pops into many minds when a rape occurs is the execution of the rapist?

You do realize that the punishment for rape used to be execution right?

You do realize men have been killed simply for being accused of rape right?

That doesn't sound like a rape encouraging society to me.

[tink037]

@Jmnzz We are one of the only first world countries to still have the death penalty and we still have violent crime. Again, law does nothing to prevent anything from happening.

I am against the "justice" system of ours (USA). Innocent people have been murdered by the state or kept enslaved for thier entire lives. I'm not blind to this and its something I wish to change. Law/fear of punishment doesn't deter crime.

I'm talking about our society that encourages violence. Everywhere you look.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"We are one of the only first world countries to still have the death penalty and we still have violent crime. Again, law does nothing to prevent anything from happening."

I didn't say the death penalty prevents rape from happening. Again read what I say if you are going to respond to me. Otherwise we can end this now. I have proven my point already and you keep changing the subject.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

"I'm talking about our society that encourages violence. Everywhere you look."

I did not deny that our society encourages violence. All societies encourage violence. Violence is a part of nature and human beings, born of nature, are naturally violent.

I said our society does not encourage rape.

[Jmnzz]

@tink037

Our culture despises rape and turns a blind eye to innocent men put behind bars on accusations alone.

Understanding the fact that society doesn't encourage rape does not automatically mean that all men are inherent rapists. It means that you accept the fact that 99.9% of men do not act on their biological impulses to breed unless consent is given while .1% say "forget consent, I want some sex"

Get it? Some men are mentally unstable assholes.

Most aren't.

[tink037]

@vbritsi So then you're prepared to accept that men rape women because they are biologically more prone to rape? I don't accept that. I have more faith in men than that. I believe in their humanity.

Rape has to do with sexism and the societal dehumanizing of women and the expectation of men to be "macho" and feel entitled to sex.

So either you understand that society plays a role in the way we learn to behave, or you believe that everything we do is a result of our biology. Which is it?

[beowulven]

Saying "Men can stop rape" is like saying "Blacks can stop crime". Offensive and short-sighted. But, you know, partly true.

[chancerocks9087]

To all you feminazis who support the idiots at "Men Can Stop Rape":

What have women done to stop the golddigger problem? What have women done to stop the false rape problem? What have women done to stop the "andrea yates" child murder problem?

There's a taste of your own medicine. It doesn't seem right to lump all women into the same category does it? So why are you violating one of your own beliefs (about not stereotyping) by lumping all men into the rapist category?

[westmeat]

hahahah what a pussified little bitch you are.. still sucking on your mama's tits and trying to eat your crayons little girl? hahaha you're a pathetic faggot and the only pussy you will be getting is the one between your legs hahahah OWNED AGAIN SILLY FAGGOT :) lololol

[westmeat]

as a stupid fag with the IQ of tofu, it's probably hard for you to understand anything... OWNED AGAIN FAGGOT HAHAHAHA

[westmeat]

you hate men because u are self-hating faggot. admit it. you were raised by a single mommy. that's why ur such a PUSSY. did kids pick on u and beat u up at school? is that why ur such a pussy?

[westmeat]

Wow. dude, you seriously have a pussy between your legs issue. why are you such a pussified little BITCH? you can't think for yourself? are you a product of a single mom? is that why you're such a pussy? so now you think men are rapists because they're not pussified FAGGOTS LIKE YOU? wow you are man-hating faggot no wonder you are such a pussy lolol

[westmeat]

you're a stupid cunt who keeps getting OWNED. HAHAHA YOU DUMB CUNT GO PUT YOUR TAMPON BACK IN HAHAHAHA

[westmeat]

hahaha you're a stupid incoherent CUNT. you can't even make sense you fucking idiot. you don't even pay attention to the hypocrisy of feminism. that's why you're a stupid yapping bitch making no sense whatsoever. put your tampon back in you dumb cunt. leave the thinking to MEN.

[westmeat]

@Dusk557 no you're a STUPID CUNT. guys have BALLS. you have a VAGINA, you little bitch

[westmeat]

if you want to stop feminist cunts from emasculating men around the world, check out manhood101 . com ....nobody can stop rape until women learn how to take responsibility for their own actions.

[DumblyBrilliant]

Who taught you history -- feminists? I will respect women when they respect men. Respect is a two way street. I suggest you check this out on You Tube:

"Domestic Violence- Women are Half the Problem"

Then this: A Message to Women

And finally: The Psychology of Hate

You need to wake up. Rape is evil but so are women who are paedophiles, abusers, rapists, false accusers and so on. Its nothing to do with gender it is PEOPLE who do evil not just men. So, grow up and think for yourself.

[DumblyBrilliant]

@Dusk557

Yeah. It's not like we do anything is it? I mean, apart from civilisation, what have men actually built?

When your brain gets back from vacation tell it I said hello.

[DumblyBrilliant]

smokedope6666 ....GO AND GET HELP TOO!

[DumblyBrilliant]

"believe it or not, I don't hate men," "..men in general do have mental problems..." "..their stupidity can be subdued..." "everyone knows the mans besfriend is his penis.."

Yeah right. Friend of men and boys!

Go look up Bull Busters Violent Women and watch it. We have cottoned on to you feminists and it drives you crazy because we don't believe your lies anymore and we are fighting back. Our kids need protection from you witches.

[DumblyBrilliant]

Now that is womens evolution. Matriarchy will come! In EVERY society where matriachy is at work, they are primitive non achievers. It was matriarchy that kept us in the stone age for so long. After patrairchy, science took off. The arts took off. Huge strides in medicine, the car, the plane, houses instead of caves. Feminists live in dreamland if they think that we are going to let them ruin our civilisation to fulfill their communist dreams. Go away you nutcases. We have found you out.

[GuateVEGAN]

I have a feeling that you're somehow covering for sexual abuse in your own life. Either done it to someone or received it.

[GuateVEGAN]

Hmm, you see, that's why I was smart and asked one of my teachers and she happily explained to me that they survey women that are older and they report if they had reported them or not. For example, I was molested when I was 4, I didn't say anything until I was 14 and by then it was too late. Get it? They find out later, but count it as now, the rape/molestation victims of today will be found out in ten years. Sadly.

[ExtremeCrewForever]

No Offense, but its only BLACK & WHITE PPL that have the HIGHEST RATE CRIMES. They should be more specific. ASIAN MEN r not even counted in RAPE record's cuz its so low. Besides ASIAN MEN have always been the Lowest in Society.

[GuateVEGAN]

Have you ever heard of Thailand? Have you heard that it's the sex slavery center of the WORLD? Did you know they're Asian? Asia actually has a REALLY high number of molestations and rapes, but unfortunately Asian women have no one to report it to and if they do, never actually do it. Asian women report the least of the abuses.

[ExtremeCrewForever]

Yea I know that dude & Guess wat. It's not just Thai Men. U got Mens fr FRANCE, GERMAN, & other EUROPE Countries that Own Sex Slave in Thailand. Even Men in USA.

[GuateVEGAN]

75% of the sex tourists come from the U.S.

Those American men are dirty bastards. It's disgusting, they're paying to have sex with 9 year olds! and it's not hundreds...its THOUSANDS of men from ALL over the world doing this. They need to be castrated.

[ExtremeCrewForever]

Lol White American hopefully that's wat u mean. Cuz I'm Asian American lol.

[GuateVEGAN]

No, all men, from all kinds of backgrounds. They're all equally disgusting.

[GuateVEGAN]

Internationally speaking the numbers are SO high, as in, Latin America & Mexico, Asia and Africa have so many sexually abused women that the numbers are about half of those women in the country have been abused and sometimes more in Africa.

Who does that abuse? MEN! MEN MEN MEN! If SO many women are being abused right now, they're not being abused alone or by the same person all over the world. I'm sorry to tell you but it's MANY many men doing this and they are to held liable.

[GuateVEGAN]

A few? You know that 1 in 6 women get sexually abused in the United States right? now make sure to take into account that 60% (THAT'S SIXTY PERCENT) do not ever, report sexual abuse. Imagine, the numbers are SO much bigger than they actually are. I was sexually abused when I was 4 but I never said anything until I was 14, ten years later, and the case was closed already. Justice is really flawed.

Other than that, that's only in the United States.

[watashiwaclouddesh]

poor sound syncing... but other than that, great video. I believe that there is change coming, and hopefully we'll see it in our life time. God willing...

[AlexanderDedovets]

Most rape is by men but women still rape.

[julestroker]

women rape too, right?

[sweetnam123]

I love this club...yes!!!Men CAN stop rape!!! I wholeheartedly believe this. my love goes out to all the founders and members of this club. God bless you! I am going to donate to this club. keep up the good work guys...i love you all!!!

[GuateVEGAN]

Freakin awesome man..