Mawlid Conference with Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Imam Tahir Anwar, and Nader Khan

[19Lion8]

People should ignore those who label Mawlid "bidah" "haram"etc. It's only the wahhabis who believe that. Don't let them (wahhabis a Bitish invented cult) destroy true Islam. Google: WAHHABIS AND THE ANSWER OF THE AHL AS SUNNAH

[DrakyGordon]

@19Lion8 mawlid is bid'ah and haram according to the Quran and Sunnah...and Allah knows best. i am a salafi inshallah. BTW, there is no such thing as wahhabis...the salafis are the ahlus sunnah wa jama'ah...they are also the most hated amongst muslims because of their dilligence in sticking to the sunnah...... May Allah guide u...

[19Lion8]

@DrakyGordon It might be "bidah" "haram" according to the wahabi religion, but wahabism does not represent islam in any way.Their strange religion was created by the British & M.Wahhab (Google: Confession of a British spy). Allah swt (according to wahhabism) is a man like figure (ala jesus, zues,ram,thor etc) sitting on his throne. Clearly a neo paganistic creed impersonating Islam. Ahl sunnah wa jammah has existed for 1400yrs not 200yrs as has the cult from najd.

[DomDollx]

oh my God. oh beloved brother/sister can you list a series or links to the mawlids? esp. the last one on this video? it is so beautiful Mashallah, it's enchanting! Subhanallah. thank you for posting.

[MrTareqagha]

This is it really, they only read wahhabi pamphlets, I wish they know the fundamental features of Islam at least.

Jazakum Allah khair shaykh Hamza

[bashirali1985]

And shellina who's in doubt and denying awliya of Allah? U comparing My statement to usary lol subhanAllah.

[bashirali1985]

Btw mawlid came 500 yes after Islam so stop chanting najdi. I suggest stop barking go and have chappies!

[bashirali1985]

Also you so-called sunni deny mawlid the head of hanafi fiqh and home town of hanafis DEOBAND even there are scholars in azhar who deny mawlid not just the salafis or so-called najdis. Btw yusuf Al qardawi aint a so-called. So I suggest get your fact right you uneducated animal.

[bashirali1985]

Dhlnoon u spasticated animal. Is that all you know najdi najdi najdi. Do you even know we're is An-najd.

[Bruvamalcolm]

some of yall on here screamin bidaa need to be quite and fear allah and be conscience of the angels on ur shoulders writing what u say about people and dont even know them personally.

[shelinakherry1]

I wish more people would actually think before hitting send, Subhanallah, Allah swt wages war on 2 gps , those who deny those closest to him and those involved in usury.....Islam is in a state it is in because of the doubts and thoughts of bashirali and the likes, Allah guides whoever he wishes and I pray he guides us all so we may be in his shade when there will be no shade but his, if you open your hearts your mind will open.

[bashirali1985]

Wallah Hamza i thought ypu are mor educated than that. The most pathetic evidence and speech i eveer had wallahi. May Allah guide u to truth and increase ur knowledge

[DhulNoon1]

@bashirali1985 Maybe you najdi petro-dollars zealots should've also taught the majority of Sunni ulema for past 1400 years. Maybe everyone was wrong, and you, the najdis which appeared 1200 years after Islam were correct. The only knowledge you have is post-colonial simplified saud-clan rhetoric, and the only madad which is valid for you is USA and UK, who also helped you fight the Caliphate. Najdi. Go to your own channel, and scream bid'a and shirk there.

[dania1993618]

ما شاء الله اللهم صلي على محمد و بارك كثيرا

اللهم زدنا علم و انفعنا به

[Synergistik]

May Allah bless Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Tahir Anwar!!! Ameen

[lubnajafar]

very good....Shaikh..!

[Ali11699]

Allah(swt) narated the miraclous birth of Isa(a.s) to let us know his powr of performing any thing that he wants and to claqrify the isuue concerning Isa(a.s)

to the ahlul kittab about which they have regarding him.not to celebrate his birth day

if he wants us to cleberate the birth day,he wolud have orderd us or narrated to us the birth day of his beloved prophet (pbuh).

[yahudidushman]

to all people arguing about a bida and a good bida. first of all do your homework and where did Hazrat Umar r.a. pray his taraweeh after instructing the rest to get together and pray behind ONE IMAM.

[sarmadq]

what are the nasheeds played in the video? they are beautiful

[ibnpinnock]

mawlid is a bid'ah,"....every newly invented matter is bid'ah, and every bid'ah is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire." (an-Nasaa'ee)

[sarmadq]

what is a bid'ah?

[ibnpinnock]

salaam da linguistic meaning is:new and unprecedented..it basicly means dat which has been newly introduced in THE RELIGION dat wasnt legislated at da time of the prophet(p)..he(p) sed:"Whoever introduces something to this affair of ours will have it rejected". meang in da din nt fings lyk cars..if the prophet or his companions ddnt do it ders no need..as ibn mas'ud sed:Either you are upon a Religion better guided than the Religion of Muhammad (s)or that you are opening the door of misguidance."

[sarmadq]

the understanding that the salaf derived from the hadiths about bid'ah is that it is something newly introduced that conflicts the Shariah. this is seen in many examples during the Prophet's life. he did not condemn the Sahabah RAA when they did something new if it did not violate the Shariah. and there are several examples to prove this point.

[ibnpinnock]

u fink so?as sum say al sahabab(ra) celebrated his(S) bday wher is it in al Quran or Authentic Sunnah

dat al sahaba ANNUALLY Celebrated da Rasul's Bday

During his life or after his death? & true he(S) didnt condem dem becos al wahi was still comin dwn a sunna is anyfing an nabi sed did or ALLOWD in his presents but hes(S) no longer here..This day I have perfected your din for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your din (al- Ma`idah: 3).... ilabil dalil

[sarmadq]

the Prophet (SAW) never prayed 20 rak'ahs of Taraweeh in congregation. Umar (RAA) made it a congregate prayer years after the Prophet's death. and after he established, he said "how great of an innovation this is" acknowledging that new innovations that do not violate the Shariah are permissible. and in some situations, actually commendable.

[sarmadq]

Umar RAA established it in the mosque, and the Prophet SAW didn't pray 20.

[muslimgiga]

ignnent.

[sarmadq]

and the Prophet didn't do this regularly, whereas Umar RAA and the righteous after him did.

[CCSF1999]

1. Who said the Mawlid is celebrated anually? This shows that you don't know much about Mawlids.

2. Linguisticly, Sunna means Way. And one of the Sunnas that has been left to the Scholars is the Prophetic Sunnah of assessing, accepting, or rejecting a newly invented matter in this din. As shown by Imam Umar. There is no evidence that Rasulullah prayed 20 or 8 rakats Tarawih. The 8rakats were Tahajjud. Also If it was Sunna or Rasulullah to pray Taraweeh, then it is also his Sunnah to leave it.

[CCSF1999]

Asif, I meant.

1. Who said the Mawlid is only celebrated anually? It is also celebrated weekly, monthly, etc.

Also

2. ...If it was Sunnah for Rasulullah to pray Taraweeh then it was also his Sunnah to leave it. Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Alihi wa Sallam

[ibnpinnock]

i was talking 2 sum1 else but anyway i must have made a mistake WAALLAHU ALIM AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST

[CCSF1999]

@ibnpinnock . Tayyib. Salaam

[CCSF1999]

you said: "in THE RELIGION dat wasnt legislated at da time of the prophet(p).."

THANK YOU. Exactly: The Prophet Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Sallam abandoned leading prayer in the evenings in Ramadhan, SO IT WAS NOT LEGISLATED. Yet Imam Umar legislated the Sifat of Tarawih as we know it today.... Oh and he said it was a good bida'a : )

[CCSF1999]

Except the good bid'ah. As Imam Umar said: "What a good bida'h" : )

[CCSF1999]

People usually say that none of the sahaba(RA) ever celebrated Prophet's birthday. They celebrated his birthday in poetry. Its just not in the form we do it now, but we don't make Salah or Umra etc. in the way they did it either. al-`Abbas (RA) said:

And then, WHEN YOU WERE BORN, a light rose over the earth until it illuminated the horizon with its radiance. We are in that illumination and that original light and those paths of guidance and thanks to them we pierce through.

[CCSF1999]

Another beautiful example of the Sahaba's celebration of al Mustafa's birthday in peotry is:

The poet of the Prophet Hassan ibn Thabit (RA) said:

By Allah, no woman has conceived and GIVEN BIRTH To one like the Messenger, the Prophet and guide of his people. Nor has Allah created among his creatures One more faithful to his sojourner or his promise Than he who was the source of our light. (ibn Hisham)

[desi518001]

Do u have any proof to suggest that this poem was written by the poet on the prophet's (pbuh) birthday?

[CCSF1999]

It is irrelevant when the poem was writen, the point is that it is a poem celebrating the birthday of the Holy Prophet Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Salaam. By the Sahaba...

[desi518001]

Poetry is a gift bestowed by Allah on some people. Not everyone can write poetry.

Plus in Poetry, there's a chance that the poet overwhelmed in his love for the prophet (pbuh) may exaggerate about the holy prophet (pbuh).

And, our beloved prophet (pbuh) has strictly prohibited his ummah about exaggerating about him, like the Christians exaggerate about prophet Isa (PBUH).

Celebrating such birthdays is the action of the kuffar and it doesn't behoove a Muslim to imitate them in any manner.

[CCSF1999]

You said "Celebrating such birthdays is the action of the kuffar and it doesn't behoove a Muslim to imitate them in any manner." Which is practically saying the We Muslims who celebrate the Mawlid are doing Kufr. You are showing your Takfiri self through a see through veil. Ibn Hajjar, al Suyuti, Ibn Taymiyya, and others have deemed the Mawlid PERMISSIBLE. You and your Wahabi simpathizers are powerless to the fact we are connected to chains of Ulama that lead back to the Salaf.

[desi518001]

You say:

"They celebrated his birthday in poetry. Its just not in the form we do it now"

By Allah, thats NOT true, there is no evidence to suggest the they wrote such poetry on the prophet's (PBUH) birthday.

Celebrating Mawlid has no place in Islam, because it wasn't done in the 3 earliest generations of Islam, and they were the best generations. We should strive to follow Islam as those earliest and best generations followed. Brother, there's no place for Mawlid in Islam.

[CCSF1999]

CELEBRATING THE MAWLID HAS BEEN DECLARED PERMISSIBLE BY IBN HAJJAR AL ASQALANI, IBN KATHIR, IBN TAYMIYA-WALLAHI, AS-SUYYUTI, AND OTHER HADITH MASTERS. Also, the Mawlid is going strong in Mecca and Medina, Wallahi Ive been there- even though you and your Wahabi sympathizers hate it. And even though you hate it, you are powerless over the Fatwas of the Ulama. Face it even Ibn Taymiyya has not gone as far as your ignorant self in his postion on the Mawlid.

[desi518001]

Dear Brother, as I have said earlier, there is no authentic tradition from either the prophet (PBUH) or from his immediate companions in support of celebrating the prophet's (PBUH) birthday. What scholars (however big they might be) who have come much later said or did in it's support is IRRELEVANT and NOT worth considering. Thats my position and there are many others like me.

I really do not want to debate with a fellow Muslim about this matter. To you your way to me mine. And Allah knows best!

[ibnpinnock]

an nabi DID pray it in his life tym but it was rivevd in umars kalifate..becos da wahi had ended becos al rasul(s) was gone i'll send u a hadith insha'allah

[ibnpinnock]

'Aishah: "The Prophet offered salah in the mosque and many people prayed with him. The next day he did the same and more people prayed with him. Then the people gathered on the third night but, the Prophet did not come out to them. In the morning, he said to them: 'Surely I saw what you did, and nothing prevented me from coming out to you, save that I feared that [that prayer] would be made obligatory upon you.' And that was during Ramadan." This is related by the group except for at-Tirmizhi

[ibnpinnock]

ana asef(sorry) rong person

[CCSF1999]

What Imam Umar ibn al Khatab established during his caliphate was the way of establishing a good bidah. The Ulama then followed this way and established that Mawlid is a good bidah. Real Ulama, not pamphateers and youtubers.

[desi518001]

Even what the real Ulama do should conform to the Quran and Sunnah (sahih hadith). If it doesn't meet this condition, it should be rejected.

The Ulama DID NOT and DO NOT have the authority to use what Hazrat Umar (RA) did and and use it as a proof to start something else that is totally new to Islam.

Again, the authority that Umar (RA) used was given to him by the Prophet (PBUH) and it ended with the last of the prophet's (PBUH) companions, it's NOT passed on.

[cashmere22]

I think Wahabism has destroyed the true essense of Islam. I think followers of this deviated form of Islam are very ignorant of what being a follower of Islam entails. Trying to prevent people celebrating the Mawlid is a prime example of how dire their situation is. May Allah guide us all!!!

[sufiirose]

If the Scholars have done Mawlids in the Hadiths... how dare the uneducated and ignorant call it wrong. Milad -un_Nabi is not a "new" invention but a day of blessings for all who wish to celebrate the Rahma of the One is was a complete Mercy to all of mankind.

[alimumin3438]

Sh.shaytaan,we are talking inventing a date to celebrate birthday for the prophet [saw].you mixed with Quraan,tell did the prophet celebrate his birthday or sahaba celebrate,unless you claiming that you know better than them.you are a lair,may allaah guide /ya sufi shaytaan.

[CCSF1999]

You foul minded filth spewing fitna monger. He is not telling people to practice the Mawlid. He is defending the right of those who practice it. I don't care what you childish minded people say about what is right or wrong in the Shari'a. THERE ARE TRUSTWORTHY 'ULAMA WHO SAY IT IS PERMITTED. Shaykh Hamza is telling you people who have no idea what the official verdict is in the Shari'a that you have gone mad, with you ideas to the point that you call a Muslim a shaytan. Your crazy.

[bonayef2]

bid'ah:  mawlid is bid'ah and to celebrate with drums and doing crazy things is not the way of true isalm. i don't belieave that hamza yusuf support mawlid tradition

[ITHADchannel]

Im no scholar ... but all i know is >> Love Allah, Love the Prophet,....Praise Allah, Praise the Prophet.... Read Quran, read naats and nasheeds.... Celebrating mawlid is no issue, its perfectly fine. 85%-90% muslims around the world celebrate it.

[teamglock9]

subhanallah, how could you justify this act with sura mariam, if this is true then why didn't the prophet (saw) practice this act for prophet Isa (as)? Also, it is permissible to use the remnents of the messenger (saw) as means of barakah, for example, one of his wives used to collect the sweat of the messenger (saw) as a perfume, and the messenger (saw) did not condemned it. but it is not to be worshipped. May Allah guide us to the straight path and keep us away from those who misguides.

[extempers]

I believe the mawlid is a bad bid'ah that should not be celebrated, but I will not label those that celebrate it as "sufis" and "female-dog slap them".

We are Muslims and what unites us is much more than anything that divides us

[zatoichi786]

'It's in Buhkari...get out of pamphlet Islam'

'Surra Mariam...we can't do that with the Prophet'

Salafi's just got bitch-slapped back to Najd...

[ahmadtarin1]

asalaamu alaykum whats the name of the song in the end of the video.... do you have the cd at your store

[reliefworks]

wa 'alaikum as Salam. Tha name of the song at the end of hte video is "Marhaba", and it's from Nader Khan's CD "Take My Hand". It is available at Rumi Bookstore.

[rukhy]

A Praiseworthy Innovation...Mashallah :-)

[chitownsfinest1116]

sorry sheikh hamza but it is bidah.

[zafthedon]

depends there are good and bad innovations.

[desi518001]

Salam! And who decides which innovation is good and which is bad? No one has that authority after the Prophet (PBUH) and the 4 rightly guided Caliphs. We have to strive to practice Islam as the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions practiced. Anything that they did not do, we should NOT do. We're divided today because some people add things to Islam without sound evidence from the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions and no wonder there are so many sects among Muslims today.

[zafthedon]

salaam

thats how Imam shafi defined them - 1400 year of scholarship also saw it has a praiseworthy thing - people like Suyuti, Ibn Hajer Asqalani and other scholars saw it as praiseworthy as long as people didnt go over the top.

I personaly dont do it - but wont tell other people not to do it as i'm not a scholar and ont have that much knowlegde of how past great scholars saw it.

peace

[CCSF1999]

Right: so it is as you said: Since Imam Umar ibn al Khatab called the Taraweeh prayer behind 1 imam a GOOD BIDAH, AND IMAM SHAFI'I WHO IS OF THE SALAF said this gives us license to practice good BIDAH, THEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE A GOOD BIDAH such as the Mawlid !

[GHUR4B4H]

if there is innovation done in the deen then its not allowed but in dunya it doesnt matter

[zafthedon]

salaam

depends on how the scholars define Bidaa and interpret the hadith.

peace.

[GHUR4B4H]

this is the evidence why should not do bid'ah:

It is narrated on the authority of the Mother of the Believers, Umm 'Abdullah 'Aishah, radiyallahu 'anha, that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, said:

"Whosoever introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. into Islam) something that does not belong to it, it is to be rejected."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

[zafthedon]

Salaam

that has not been taken literal by many scholars as scholars such as Shafi, Ibn Hajer Asqlani etc did not take it literal.

peace

[GHUR4B4H]

where is the evidence

[zafthedon]

salaam

I'll PM it to you.

peace.

[CCSF1999]

Imam Umar ibn al Khatab knows the whole story of bid'ah. You don't understand the whole picture. After commanding the people to pray the Taraweeh behind one imam he say:

"WHAT A GOOD BID'AH

[Al-Bukhari]

THIS IS OUR EVIDENCE TO DO A GOOD BID'AH.

What is rejected per the hadith you mentioned is a BAD bida'h. Don't take my word for it. Take it from the True Salafi:

Imam Shaf'i Rahimahullah

[desi518001]

Assalam-U-Alaikum WR WB Brother,

Can you please show me the evidence of where Imam Shafii (RA) said we can do good bidah?

And, did Imam Shafii (RA) also say who is to decide which bidah is good and which is bad?

Wassalam Brother!

[CCSF1999]

Harmala said, I heard al-Shâfi`î (ra) say:

'Innovation is two types approved innovation and disapproved innovation. Whatever conforms to the Sunna is approved and whatever opposes it is abominable '

He used as his proof the statement of `Umar ibn al-Khat.t.âb (ra) about the [congregational] supererogatory night prayers in the month of Ramadân: What a fine innovation this is! (Ibn H.ajar in Fath. al-Bârî (1959 ed. 13:253), Ibn Rajab in Jâmial-Ulûm walHikam (p. 267Zuhaylî ed)

[CCSF1999]

I also got proof of Hanafi Ulama, and Maliki Ulama, and Shafi'i Ulama. I mean big time Hadith scholars. Just ask if you want to see it brother. Granted, there where some Hanbalis who disagreed, so there is difference of opinon. But the case for approved Bida'a is strong. The bottom line is that it is impermissible to condemn someone over an issue for which there is a vilid difference of opinion. Thanks for asking.

wasalam

[desi518001]

We should be looking at what the Prophet (PBUH) and his rightly guided companions did instead of looking at what many Ulama did or say long after the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions.

What Umar (RA) did became part of Islam the moment he did it, because he had the authority from the holy Prophet (pbuh).

You would have heard in many Jumah khutbahs that every innovation is a bidah and every bidah is going astray and every going astray leads to hell-fire. And Allah knows best.

[CCSF1999]

By the way. You asked me for evidence that Imam Shafi said we could do good Bidah. I think it is a little ingenuous to ask for a proof and then when its brought to you you all of a sudden disregard it. By resorting to such tactics, you will not convince anyone, it just looks bad brother. I've had conversations with Salafis in which they first deem it important what the Salaf said, and then when I bring it to them they say: "Oh no, Oh no, Look at what the Prophet did, not what Shafii did". LOL!

[desi518001]

I'm sorry brother, but the proof you brought forward from Imam Shafii (RA) is automatically abrogated according to Imam Shafii (RA) himself when a sahih hadith is there that goes against this tradition of Imam Shafii (RA).

Once again, I thought you were going to bring forward a hadith from Imam Shafii, whose chain of narration went back to our beloved Prophet of Allah (PBUH) or any of his close companions. This hadith u have brought forward isn't worth considering in support of Mawlid.

[CCSF1999]

I'm sorry brother, but you don't speak with any knowledge. Ibn Hajjar al Asqalani, and Imam Nawawi, and Imam al Iz ibn Abdul Salaam all support Imam Shafi'i in his ruling that It is fine to initiate a good bida. They are all knowers of what Rasulullah Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Salam meant. It's pretty sad how people who obviously have no knowledge of fiqh methodology will say something like "the proof ...from Imam Shafii is authomaticallly abrogated." It is better for you to follow the scholars.

[desi518001]

I'm sorry brother but the rulings of any of the greatest imams be it Ibn Hajjar al Asqalani, or Imam Nawawi, or Imam al Iz ibn Abdul Salaam should be REJECTED if it does NOT conform to Quran and/or sahih hadith.

Indeed it's better for any one to follow the scholars but only the rulings for which there's no sahih tradition available to confirm. But, when a sahih tradition is available, you should leave the scholars and follow the sahih tradition instead. All 4 imams have said that, NOT me.

[CCSF1999]

The majority of people know that we are to take our Islam from the scholars. It is unfortunate for you that you take a "do it yourself" approach to Islam, which is an utter tragedy, since you think you know the meanings of these hadiths better than the scholars. The four Imams where talking to their students in order that they edit their fiqh works, not to laymans like you and me. Go out and read about what the sholars said about the dangers of trying to interpret hadiths on your own.

[CCSF1999]

desi518001:Look at this hadith because you are engaging in a dangerous practice of do it yourself Islam: Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray.

[desi518001]

There's a problem with the hadith you have quoted. It's chain of narration doesn't go back to the Prophet (pbuh) or any of his immediate companions.

After the Prophet (pbuh) and his rightly guided companions, no one else has the authority to add to or take away from Islam. If any scholar comes along after them, and says anything about Islam, it should conform to Quran and/or the Sunnah of our beloved prophet (pbuh). Mawlid doesn't conform with Quran or Sunnah.

Wassalam!

[CCSF1999]

As you said, "the rightlly guided companions" have the right to add or take away from Islam." Rasulullah Sala Allah Alayhi wa Salam did not establish Taraweeh every night of Ramadhan as a regular practice. Imam Umar al Khatab did. And he said this is a GOOD BIDAH. You don't have to agree with me, and that is fine. You many not even want to look at the evidences we have, and that's fine. BUT FACE IT BROTHER: Major Ulama use Umar's hadith as a proof.

[desi518001]

Hazrat Umar (RA) had the authority to add to or delete from Islam. And according to his humble opinion, he said it was a good bidah, but if you look at the face of it, what hazrat Umar (RA) did is NOT even a bidah, simply because praying in congregation is not a bidah. Hazrat Umar (RA) chose to humbly put it that way and even if he started something new he had the authority. The Ulama who use it as a proof and start something else in Islam DO NOT have the authority. As simple as that.

[CCSF1999]

Imam Umar (RA) showed that when Rasulullah said "every bida'a is muisguidance..." it actually didn't mean every innovation , since some are good BIDAH. That's it. Plus it is an innovation because Rasulullah did not command all the people to pray behind one imam every night of Ramadhan. But what you seem to miss is that Umar left for the Ulama a criterion for ordering, accepting, and rejecting actions in Islam. This criterion was carried on by the Ulama begining with Shafi'i!

[CCSF1999]

the jurists used this criterion for ordering, accepting, and rejecting actions in Islam to consider an innovation such as the Mawlid as a good innovation. Allahu Akbar! And it didn't just end with Imam Shafi'i, Imam Ibn Hajjar al Asqalani, al Bayhaqi, Ibn Arabi al Maliki, al Nawawi.... so what you said about "the proof of what Imam Shafii said...is abrogated" IS A FALSEHOOD TO PUT IT NICELY.

[desi518001]

Once again brother, no Imam is greater than our prophet (pbuh) and his closest companions.

So, all the imams you have quoted and their rulings have no place in Islam and should be thrown out the moment a sahih tradition of the Prophet (pbuh) is available that goes against such rulings.

Pray tell me, do you have any evidence to suggest that Imam Shafii (RA) himself celebrated Mawlid?

[CCSF1999]

No one is putting an Imam over Rasulullah (Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Salam). The Imams are his immediate followers and we follow them. I rather the Imams tell me what these hadiths mean than some "do it yourself" practitioner of Islam. It matters not if Imam Shafi'i practiced the Mawlid- because it is a Good innovation - an innovation may well come after his time. AND THIS IS FINE SINCE RASULULLAH SAID: "HE WHO STARTS A GOOD SUNNAH IN ISLAM EARNS THE REWARD OF ALL THOSE WHO PERFORM IT AFTER HIM."

[desi518001]

I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I'm a "do it yourself" Muslim. C'mon brother, you should know well that I'm following one set of scholars and you are following another set. The scholars who I follow have ruled against celebrating Mawlid.

I'm sure, you must be aware of the 73 sects hadith as per that hadith, only one sect will enter Jannah and when asked who that sect is , our prophet (PBUH) said "who live and follow Islam, the same way we are following now". Continued..

[CCSF1999]

1. You never cite any authorities to interpret the Quran and Sunnah, so you have presented these as your own interpretations.

2. No one is competing with the Sahaba, because we are not going against them. "RASULULLAH SAID: "HE WHO STARTS A GOOD SUNNAH IN ISLAM EARNS THE REWARD OF ALL THOSE WHO PERFORM IT AFTER HIM."

By the way I have never seen the wording of the hadith of the saved sect say AS YOU SAY: "who live and follow Islam, the same way we are following now".

[desi518001]

"HE WHO STARTS A GOOD SUNNAH IN ISLAM EARNS THE REWARD OF ALL THOSE WHO PERFORM IT AFTER HIM."

Please read that hadith carefully brother, the key word there is "SUNNAH". Is Mawlid a sunnah. By Allah, No!

Here's the exact wording of the Hadith I was quoting earlier:

"My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group. They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: (Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.

[desi518001]

And, we also know of the hadith that the prophet's (pbuh) is the best generation, then the next and so on. We should strive to follow Islam as the prophet (pbuh) and his companions did. Neither the prophet (pbuh) nor his companions after him celebrated Mawlid and you would agree that none can compete with the Sahaba in the love of our prophet (PBUH). So brother, let's not try to compete with them, We'll lose dearly. Those that loved him the most didn't celebrate Mawlid, then who the hell are we?

[desi518001]

Kullu Mohadsathin Bid'ah, Kullu Bid'ah thin zalaala, kullu zalaalathin fin-naar

Translated:

Every new matter in islam is an innovation, every innovation is going astray, every going astray leads to hell-fire.

There is no such thing as good and bad bidah. Bidah is Bidah, period. Every bidah leads to more bidah. It's sad but true that occasions such as Mawlid are used by some people to do actions that have no place in Islam. To prevent such actions, it's better NOT to celebrate Mawlid.

[CCSF1999]

The Imams Such as Jalal ud Deen al Suyuti, Ibn Hajjar al Asqalani, and others said IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO CELEBRATE THE MAWLID. The every new matter you are talking about is about bad bida'a. Hazrat Umar showed us that not every bida'a is zalaala. Shafi'i explained this to us, and the scholars supported him. The scholars have divided bid'a into GOOD BIDAH AND BAD BIDAH. THIS IS IN THE SHARI'A HABIBI. YOUR FIGHTING A WINLESS BATTLE.

[CCSF1999]

There is no problem with this hadith. YOU ASKED ME IF SHAFII SAID SUCH A THING AND I SHOWED YOU ITS AUTHENTICITY! lol

[desi518001]

I'm sorry brother, I thought you were going to quote a hadith from Imam Shafii (RA) whose chain of narration goes back to prophet (pbuh) or his close companions.

Iman Shafii (RA) has also said to stop following his tradition if and when a sahih tradition of our prophet (pbuh) is found. There are many sahih hadiths of our Prophet (pbuh) that go against this hadith of imam shafii (RA), so if you are a true follower of Imam Shafii (RA) you should disregard this hadith.

[CCSF1999]

NOW YOU ARE SAYING:

"I'm sorry brother, I thought you were going to quote a hadith from Imam Shafii (RA) whose chain of narration goes back to prophet (pbuh) or his close companions. "

BUT BEFORE YOU SAID:

"Can you please show me the evidence of where Imam Shafii (RA) said we can do good bidah?"

COMMON BROTHER

[desi518001]

Yes, I wanted to see what Hadith or Quranic text Imam Shafii's (RA) ruling in favor of a "Good bidah" is based on.

It appears this ruling was based on his own Ijtihad. All of the 4 Great Imams (May Allah bless them all) have given their rulings based on their own Ijtihad when there was no sahih hadith available to them from the holy Prophet (pbuh) or his companions.

But, when a sahih hadith becomes available one should stop following their rulings and start following the sahih hadith instead.

[CCSF1999]

The 4 imams where talking to their students in order to edit their works in fiqh. He was not talking to laymans like you and me. The hadiths we mentioned are sahih, but you think that they contradict the rulings of the Imams because you misinterpret them. The Imams don't act on their desires and neither do their students.