yeah? so can animals animals exhibit behaviour in ways that extend beyond their own survival displaying anthropomorhic behaviour just as humans have a savage impulse also..human beings are manipulated through magnetic forces and have been for centuries
thing is with depression nevermind all this oneness..it takes its own time..everybodys idea of oneness changes depending on their perspective anyway..your oneness with which energy?which god? How do you know what you're tapping into isn't more negative energy masquerading as postive energy which wil then turn on you and feed off you again..? Feel love open the heart a new world awaits from there..go buy a bichon frise and let it play with you ..it takes time but you will come out nothing lasts
I've suffered depression for a lifetime....I couldnt walk..felt heavy...but i'm spiritual but you can still come out and paticipate..depressions a trigger for spirtual evolution...to help expand your sense of self..its the fuckin conditioning of social enviornment that isolates everyone..thats the fuckin root cause of it..schizophrenia the same a sense of multidimensional awareness being incompataible with three dimensional reality propaganda..creates the illusion of illness..
In depression, you get de-pressed (de- as in debugged, defrosted, demilitarized,...), de-pressed from the pressure of being 'someone', the sense of being a seperate 'me' who has to control everything and make things happen. De-pressed through deep rest.
Remember that Life does everything, literally everything, and gives all that is needed every time. My sincere compassion to everyone who is suffering in any way at this moment. Bon courage if you need it ◆
Jeff obviously experienced a certain type of depression that is completely unlike mine. He talks about a depression that affects an individual from outside factors. Whether he likes it or not, that is what he is doing. His "truth" & "stories" are non-existent entities pertaining to a single person, not a dual identity. This all seems a little whimsical and very hippy-ish.
I think this is the one time that it would be good to disable comments. I don't think anybody wants to hear two people bickering back-and-forth endlessly, both people arrogant self-centered and seemingly waving their noses in the air thinking that they're on their high horse taking the high road. It is really detracting from the Message of this Video to have two people carrying on in such a pointless, and egocentric way
Great point Jeff makes here. Seeing that you are life and not separate from it would dissolve depression it seems. Will read his book, The wonder of being.
Capitalism is the wage slavey of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration in the hands of a few. A system of perpetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty of industrial proportions.A system of suppression of our true humanity and creative potentials, A prison planet of imposition of fear,insecurity and dehumanisation. WE NEED TO SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COLLECTIVE NEEDS AND WELL BEING
Perhaps it will take depression to be the God sent turning point to bring us back simplicity from this complexity or fragmentation that has built up for so long
LOvely to hear Kirtana at the end of the video. She's a precious gem, her music in itself is a guide inward and a re-connecting when you are open to it.
@ideasforfeeling i think depression stems from many sources - at it's root there is a sense of lonliness, which i see why you're suggesting the mother thing. but, we can be close to our mothers and be depressed. trying to do 'it' alone makes 'it' difficult, embracing others and help has an incredible loftiness about it and releases any depressed feeling. mothers or not. our mothers are each other!
According to non dualists depression isn't happening to any person, it is arising from oneness and felt by oneness. In a way it's like hunger - it is oness both 'creating' and 'experiencing the hunger (there's no person). There's nothing anyone can do to come out of depression because there's nobody there to be depressed! It's happening - but to oneness. Isn't suggesting "you" can do anything about it a contradiction? It's like saying "now you know it's not YOUR hunger, you won't feel hungry!"
I can see how calling someone "narrow minded" would be interpreted as hostile, can't you? Or perhaps you feel you're just stating a simple fact from your lofty seat as the wise spiritual guy?
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Not really, it depends which comment you think is narrow minded. Maybe both?
LOL wise spiritual guy nooooo, get pissed most weekends, swear a lot, can't stand comments from dickheads like you, the list goes on. LOL lofty seat, wise Spiritual guy LMAO.
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You're saying that depression can only be cured by medication and therapy?
Please research what he is talking about before leaving a comment about Jeff foster. Many people have commited suicide even after therapy and meds. Don't be so narrow minded.
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The idea of God has been a contributing factor to my own depression. Not God Himself, but rather whether or not He exists... I once believed He was there, but when I lost that belief, I lost myself, and I lost desire to live.
My faith died, yet, I still find meaning in existence. I believe each and every one of us must create our own meaning to life. There may not be a God? So what, you still exist, people still love you and there is a lot in the world that makes life worth living. Maybe you would feel better if you tried easing the suffering of someone else? Maybe you should devote yourself to a good cause? Maybe it would help you feel better.
@CybernautZero Yeah, it does feel good to help others, and I try to practice that as much as I can. However, the lingering idea of life's overall meaninglessness in my eyes just makes it so tasteless. I appreciate these ideas, by the way, they are very good and helpful ones. I simply believe when we create our own meaning, we are essentially tricking ourselves into thinking there is a purpose, when I just see us as animals, living because we "have to."
To live is to experience, there is a lot to experience. We are animals but we are the first to be able to live beyond basic animal instinct, we are thinking machines. We can create our own lives. We aren't stuck in the same cycle as other animals. We are the first of the animals to truly comprehend and understand the wonderous universe we live in. There is a lot to be positive about. We may understand the mechanics behind things, but they are still what they are.
@CybernautZero I see where you are coming from, but I think that we humans simply believe that we can truly comprehend the universe we live in. However, I think the universe is incomprehensible even to us. As Socrates once said "I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." He also said "True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us." I don't think we are different from animals - we only think we are.
@CybernautZero We are also the only species to be responsible for a mass extinction (Holocene Extinction Event). We are "different" from other animals in many more bad ways than good. We kill each other without reason other than hate or selfishness, we are intolerant, and in order to be good, we must fight with our own human nature. There is little to be positive about in my opinion, when we see what we are actually doing to this beautiful world and to each other.
The difference between you and me is how we think. It's our thinking patterns, although I agree with you, that humans can be really vicious, I know that they can also be the opposite if they want to be. I also know that there are many people out there that like myself, that want to live the best most possible ethical existence because it is at our core. The truth is, humanity isn't vicious, we are actually both vicious and kind, we are a paradox, but we can be what we want to be.
Just like to offer that we aren't living here because we have to but because we want to. In this world of forms and limits we get to express something unique. Just like any art, any sport, any game, it's through limitations that we can express ourselves in new ways. When you remember you are here to express and that God wants you to have opportunity for that unique expression to happen, maybe your faith will start to return and you'll open a space for angels again.
@TheGiantRobot I don't believe I would be as depressed, if at all, if I believed in God. If there are any alternative solutions other than God, do let me know.
Believing in God doesn't cure depression. Believing in purpose might. Without God, it's hard to believe in purpose. Also, I think happiness without God is probably worthless, because God is your soul. I would just say to you, look for your soul.
You say animals are good and humans evil. Look again at what animals do. Humans are evil when they behave as animals. With your free will, you can be a real human, something rare and amazing in this world.
@TheGiantRobot Animals do what they do with good, clear reason. They kill only because they have to - in their situation, what they do is clearly independent as judgmental actions compared to humans. I have never seen any other animal abuse other creatures, but humans abuse animals. I have never heard of one animal kill another out of jealousy. Animals kill for survival. They understand that that is essential to their suvival.
Human beings are the only species to ever be responsible for a mass extinction event aside from natural causes (Holocene Extinction Event). We are destroying ourselves, each other, and the world around us. The planet is hurting because of our existence. And because, as you said, happiness without God is probably worthless, then this life may be worthless, because simply believing in God won't change the reality - whether He exists or not. I simply think He doesn't, but only one of us is right.
Animals have also caused extinctions. It's not really that important what animals have done, though. We are part of this planet, we didn't come from somewhere else. We are the top of evolution here, a brutal evolution that has turned out a creature capable of compassion. That pretty incredible - from atoms and rocks to this. We are now capable of evolving quickly in a single life, in a single human being - emotionally, ethically, spiritually.
@TheGiantRobot Animals have caused the end of other species' on a minor scale through competition, but none are responsible for mass extinction events. Human beings are the first species to be responsible for such an event. We are capable of compassion, but the evil that we as a species generate is far more overwhelming than the good.
I don't know how many nature shows you've seen, or pets you've had. Animals love to dominate. They love to kill. They get very jealous. It's not about good or need, it's about drive and pleasure fulfillment. Killer whales and dolphins display shocking cruelty - not because they are evil, or is it? They aren't humans so we can't judge.
Humans have a stronger capacity to question themselves and check their passions than animals do.
@TheGiantRobot They do not get jealous - what you are referring to is territorial. Scientifically, most certainly animals do NOT kill for pleasure! When you referred to the domination portion - animals will fight others to assert their power to protect themselves and their species, as well as protect their territory. Please refer me to a scientific research that says animals kill for pleasure.
If you like, watch some killer whale and seal videos on youtube. But, really, do you think that somehow only humans take pleasure in killing? Hate, fear, lust, arrogance - these things didn't originate with humans. But if you think they did, why? That to me implies something supernatural. I believe in the supernatural, but this to me is quite an ordinary part of nature, the lowest instincts and drives.
@TheGiantRobot Do we have any scientific evidence of animals torturing other creatures (besides humans)? Animal abuse is a prevalent problem and I have not once heard of a single other creature torture other animals for pleasure (dog fighting is an example). Fear is simply a self-defense mechanism which creatures have for their protection/survival.
@TheGiantRobot And whatever the reason may be for the state of affairs in humanity, it is upsetting. I don't deny evolution brought us to this stage, nor that the human body/mind is an extraordinary thing. I simply think humans' ability to do evil things far exceeds our good. How long does it take to build cities/empires? How long did it take for an atomic bomb to destroy a population..?
I do agree, however, it can entail perhaps a supernatural being. There are things that are very amazing in the universe that have statistically impossible probabilities. For example, a solar/lunar eclipse: The sun and moon are of course very different sizes but in an eclipse they are almost exactly the same due to the distances they are from the earth. The probability of that is extremely low.
Given the movement of earth and the moon, the probability that a solar/lunar eclipse will happen is 1. It is not low as you imagine. Once the laws of nature are at work, every once in a while these eclipses are bound to occur with certainty. Only the probabilty that there was an eclipse on any day chosen at random of all days that have passed till now, is very low. That is a big difference.
Most people with poor understanding of probabilty make such sweeping remarks.
@ClonedTriplet lol very incorrect on your part. its statistics. the distance of the earth from the moon, and the moon from the sun, have nothing to do with the "movements" of the earth and moon. the moon and sun have extremely different sizes. you can look this up, its statistics.
@ClonedTriplet and for your information, the eclipses don't really happen on random days, its actually quite systematic. the next solar eclipse for example will be in november 13, 2012.
@ClonedTriplet Perhaps your understanding of an eclipse is flawed. A solar eclipse is when the moon covers the sun. For that to happen, the distances are key. If the moon was further away, it would not fully cover the sun. The distances are set in stone, they don't change. The movements of the objects does have an impact because the eclipses are rare occurrances. However, just the probabilities involved that allows an eclipse to occur is very low. Keep studying, you'll need it.
Your understanding of formal statistical parlance is very poor. I will try to explain it again. I know that eclipses are not random and that they are systemic. It is precisely this fact that makes the probability that an eclipse will occur once every certain number of time units, exactly equal to 1. This means, given that the laws of nature are at work, the eclipse is bound to occur when the correct allignment between the sun, moon and the earth occurs. To be continued...
Since sun, moon, and earth are governed by natural laws, they will be in allignment systemically. Perhaps you don't understand the field of 'probability' well. Your reasoning is flawed. Think of it this way. You randomly pick one day of all the days that have passed till now. Since eclipse has occured on very few of those days P("Eclipse" GIVEN "Any given day chosen at random") is very less.
Think...There are 20 balls in a basket, 19 blue & 1 red. You start picking balls one by one at random without looking into the basket. At worst, you will pick the red ball last. This means at every "pick" chance of picking the red ball is less. At the 1st pick, it is 1/20. At the 2nd pick it is 1/19, and so on. But, given that you keep picking, you will end up choosing the red ball (at worst you will chose it in 20 attempts). So P(red ball chosen inside 20 picks) =1
In the same way, the eclipse will occur eventually given that natural laws are at work. They are rare events in the sense that number of days having such unique allignment among all possible days, is very less. However, the probability that an eclipse will occur is still 1. It will occur with certainty systemically.
I teach probability at a very high level. I don't want to boast, but perhaps you should read other's messages carefully before jumping to conclusions.
@ClonedTriplet and congratulations on your teaching levels, u don't want to boast but certainly they don't give out degrees for sincerity and respect, which u severely lack. learn some respect.
@ClonedTriplet notice you are pointing out its probability as 1 with "givens" ~ i have been saying since the beginning, that the "givens" are the probabilities i have been referring to - the probability of the givens that exist.
@ClonedTriplet i think you are completely missing my point. given the current distances of sun, moon, and earth from one another, yes, eclipse probability is equal to 1. that is given the current distances, though. for the distances to be so precise so as to allow for an eclipse, that probability is very low, just as the probability that the first protein coming into existence was also very low.
You and I are talking of two different things then. Thus it is fruitless to continue this discussion any further. Peace !
I also read some of your previous comments as regards to you feeling depressed due to you realizing that there is no creator. I wonder what is so depressing about that because I find life better that way. Imagine being an eternal slave of an all controlling super-intelligence. That is not exactly freedom. With no omnipotent monarch, you are free !
@ClonedTriplet Phrased the way you put it, of course it may seem better, but that depends on the way one sees things. The creator you describe is a cruel dictator, which certainly I would not want to live under. But when you say we are free, free from what? Free to do what? We live, struggle, then die. It's meaningless to me.
Living, struggling, and dying is part of the greatest show on earth, that is "Evolution". That which sustains and adpts to its environment lives, and after a while when it cannot sustain itself, it dies. The thing that differenntiates us from other animals is our consciousness is evolved to an extent that we are aware of this process we call "life". Thus it makes sense to experience this awareness and live fruitfully while we last before we pass on our genes to our progeny.
@ClonedTriplet And recall I never began my discussion with you, you replied to my initial comments and insulted my intelligence while misreading my claims and utilizing your self-proclaimed statistical genius while failing at literary comprehension. Consider it karma.
I replied to your comment because I have the right to freedom of speech, this being the internet. If you get offended so easily, you should disable comments. Also, I never insulted your intelligence, rather you perceived it that way. I am not a statisticsal genius but still learning from the very accomplished people in the field. Lastly, there is no reason for me to believe in Karma as it is a logical fallacy. Can you prove Karma exists? If not, why should I consider it?
@ClonedTriplet It wasn't easy offense that I took, at all. When someone accuses me of being ignorant on a topic while not realizing that they themselves completely misread the topic, that certainly offends me, and does more - it makes me embarrassed to be human. And tell me how else I should perceive your words: "Your understanding of formal statistical parlance is very poor. I will try to explain it again." I was using Karma lightly to prove a point, not prove Karma itself bud.
Also if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry for that but it was never my intention to do so. But still I don't understand why you are calling "life" as meaningless. To me, the withering of a flower is as beautiful as its blossoming. The old man who was once a young lad, is beautiful in his own way. His wrinkled face may be disliked by some, but his experience is vital to his sons. "Suffering" and "enjoyment" are tags that we give mistakenly to our life experiences. Peace.
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It sounds like you have someone close to you with severe depression. This can be very sad.
What you say may be true, but you are forgetting to look at what caused the chemical imbalance in the first place. It didn't just happen. The chemical imbalance is created by the mind in depression, not the other way around. He is describing how to change your way of thinking so that your body stops creating the symptom of chemical imbalance. Drugs are like treating a runny nose instead of getting warmer.
Thank you Jeff and you who put up this, very good input! I am going to share this with someone who is suffering from depression. I have been aiding her with much the same but this will give outside perspective.
when Jeff talks of surrendering to God or whatever in many religions, that is true. However, with modern day Christianity, I think this surrender is done and then paradoxically replaced by painful prayers to God asking him to help, to take sides, and make us succeed for our enemies to be ashemed. This is very hypocrytical. I've done it, and it is quite a headache, so many tedious prayers and no phyisical result. Praying to get a god wife, praying to be rich, all this nonesense.
Beautiful, thankyou. I sense this dude is free from bullcrap. What an honest, down to earth pointing, and it's something I've been sensing for a long time but haven't been able to put into words.
the video hits me right where the home is. I had been in a living death of depression my whole life. I lived in a world of depression so much of my life. Thanks to teachings such as those that jeff gives. I have been able to break free of my pain identity and loose everything so that I can start to gain everything. So much pain ive lived and so much freedom I hope to bring. Who knows where my life will go but I hope that someday I can say I am completely free.
Surrendering in the sense of allowing life to take care of itself rather than worrying about all the things that could happen. Life just falls into place when the beliefs are left aside, this seems to be the case and when it happens it's great!
Just let the movie rolllllll......don't get identified with the character and be It (awareness). What else can you do? I heard that some people should drop that too in order to know oneness. I don't know aboyt that/.
yeah? so can animals animals exhibit behaviour in ways that extend beyond their own survival displaying anthropomorhic behaviour just as humans have a savage impulse also..human beings are manipulated through magnetic forces and have been for centuries
jaspurr77 1 month ago
Animals are great whats wrong with living like an animal my cat watches tv and drinks tango....yipeeeeeeeeeeee
jaspurr77 1 month ago
thing is with depression nevermind all this oneness..it takes its own time..everybodys idea of oneness changes depending on their perspective anyway..your oneness with which energy?which god? How do you know what you're tapping into isn't more negative energy masquerading as postive energy which wil then turn on you and feed off you again..? Feel love open the heart a new world awaits from there..go buy a bichon frise and let it play with you ..it takes time but you will come out nothing lasts
jaspurr77 1 month ago
and change is more spiriual and exciting thatn this crappy music
jaspurr77 1 month ago
I've suffered depression for a lifetime....I couldnt walk..felt heavy...but i'm spiritual but you can still come out and paticipate..depressions a trigger for spirtual evolution...to help expand your sense of self..its the fuckin conditioning of social enviornment that isolates everyone..thats the fuckin root cause of it..schizophrenia the same a sense of multidimensional awareness being incompataible with three dimensional reality propaganda..creates the illusion of illness..
jaspurr77 1 month ago
Arcturus Black III
Velasca 2 months ago
In depression, you get de-pressed (de- as in debugged, defrosted, demilitarized,...), de-pressed from the pressure of being 'someone', the sense of being a seperate 'me' who has to control everything and make things happen. De-pressed through deep rest.
Remember that Life does everything, literally everything, and gives all that is needed every time. My sincere compassion to everyone who is suffering in any way at this moment. Bon courage if you need it ◆
Nowisnu 2 months ago
Jeff obviously experienced a certain type of depression that is completely unlike mine. He talks about a depression that affects an individual from outside factors. Whether he likes it or not, that is what he is doing. His "truth" & "stories" are non-existent entities pertaining to a single person, not a dual identity. This all seems a little whimsical and very hippy-ish.
quaecky 2 months ago
looks like the comment bickering has stopped....
justperceptiondotnet 3 months ago
he needs to smoke a joint. he won't worry about holding up the world then.
funkstrman 6 months ago
I think this is the one time that it would be good to disable comments. I don't think anybody wants to hear two people bickering back-and-forth endlessly, both people arrogant self-centered and seemingly waving their noses in the air thinking that they're on their high horse taking the high road. It is really detracting from the Message of this Video to have two people carrying on in such a pointless, and egocentric way
sofearnot 8 months ago
Great point Jeff makes here. Seeing that you are life and not separate from it would dissolve depression it seems. Will read his book, The wonder of being.
truths121 10 months ago
Blah blah blah blah blah
brittonnd07 1 year ago
would'nt want to have a beer with this guy... pure boredom. spirtually, it depresses me.
Bankofswitzerland 1 year ago
"I`m a person who aint getting laid , which caused deppression but blame it on some spiritual abstraction buy my books on further abstraction..."
cheesy guitar music.... the end.
MURDOCMULDOON 1 year ago
Very clear!
riesbergen 1 year ago
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Capitalism is the wage slavey of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration in the hands of a few. A system of perpetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty of industrial proportions.A system of suppression of our true humanity and creative potentials, A prison planet of imposition of fear,insecurity and dehumanisation. WE NEED TO SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COLLECTIVE NEEDS AND WELL BEING
arzoyan 1 year ago
Juan Matus and Genaro Flores would have chased Jeff Foster like a feral dog from Bangladesh.
No time for gulping into microphones when you have impeccable warriors on your tail.
Velasca 1 year ago
Perhaps it will take depression to be the God sent turning point to bring us back simplicity from this complexity or fragmentation that has built up for so long
TEARDUCTER 1 year ago
LOvely to hear Kirtana at the end of the video. She's a precious gem, her music in itself is a guide inward and a re-connecting when you are open to it.
MommaElin 1 year ago
@ideasforfeeling i think depression stems from many sources - at it's root there is a sense of lonliness, which i see why you're suggesting the mother thing. but, we can be close to our mothers and be depressed. trying to do 'it' alone makes 'it' difficult, embracing others and help has an incredible loftiness about it and releases any depressed feeling. mothers or not. our mothers are each other!
ajreece83 1 year ago
Sounds like a bunch of minds ego-battling over YouTube...
millencolin543 1 year ago
Hi Richard! Please interview Tony Parsons if you can. Thank you!!!
reycafe 1 year ago
lol
theiceman74 1 year ago
The guy next to Jeff is such a creationist douchebag.
SocialDynamicsSchool 1 year ago
nice post
1987KingDiamond 1 year ago
According to non dualists depression isn't happening to any person, it is arising from oneness and felt by oneness. In a way it's like hunger - it is oness both 'creating' and 'experiencing the hunger (there's no person). There's nothing anyone can do to come out of depression because there's nobody there to be depressed! It's happening - but to oneness. Isn't suggesting "you" can do anything about it a contradiction? It's like saying "now you know it's not YOUR hunger, you won't feel hungry!"
gainsbourg66 1 year ago
Haha.Wow, did you come back to this page everyday since, to thumb down me? Oh dear. Never mind.
nuttymanyelismate 1 year ago
I would say something but I won't cuz It's not necessary. It'll take care of itself. BAHAHAHA
Luxmjya 1 year ago
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If that is hostile to you,you must have led a very sheltered life my freind.
nuttymanyelismate 2 years ago
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The hostility is coming from you if you care to re-read you're first comment.
No hostility here.
It looks like you're first comment is very popular dosn't it?
nuttymanyelismate 2 years ago
@nutty:
I can see how calling someone "narrow minded" would be interpreted as hostile, can't you? Or perhaps you feel you're just stating a simple fact from your lofty seat as the wise spiritual guy?
Forkfoot 2 years ago 5
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Not really, it depends which comment you think is narrow minded. Maybe both?
LOL wise spiritual guy nooooo, get pissed most weekends, swear a lot, can't stand comments from dickheads like you, the list goes on. LOL lofty seat, wise Spiritual guy LMAO.
What about you're hostile comment?
Grow up son.
nuttymanyelismate 2 years ago
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You're saying that depression can only be cured by medication and therapy?
Please research what he is talking about before leaving a comment about Jeff foster. Many people have commited suicide even after therapy and meds. Don't be so narrow minded.
nuttymanyelismate 2 years ago
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Its a positive and sincere message, so thanks for this.
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thanks
xthcmusic 2 years ago
The idea of God has been a contributing factor to my own depression. Not God Himself, but rather whether or not He exists... I once believed He was there, but when I lost that belief, I lost myself, and I lost desire to live.
bqureshi21 2 years ago
@bqureshi21
My faith died, yet, I still find meaning in existence. I believe each and every one of us must create our own meaning to life. There may not be a God? So what, you still exist, people still love you and there is a lot in the world that makes life worth living. Maybe you would feel better if you tried easing the suffering of someone else? Maybe you should devote yourself to a good cause? Maybe it would help you feel better.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
@CybernautZero Yeah, it does feel good to help others, and I try to practice that as much as I can. However, the lingering idea of life's overall meaninglessness in my eyes just makes it so tasteless. I appreciate these ideas, by the way, they are very good and helpful ones. I simply believe when we create our own meaning, we are essentially tricking ourselves into thinking there is a purpose, when I just see us as animals, living because we "have to."
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
To live is to experience, there is a lot to experience. We are animals but we are the first to be able to live beyond basic animal instinct, we are thinking machines. We can create our own lives. We aren't stuck in the same cycle as other animals. We are the first of the animals to truly comprehend and understand the wonderous universe we live in. There is a lot to be positive about. We may understand the mechanics behind things, but they are still what they are.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
@CybernautZero I see where you are coming from, but I think that we humans simply believe that we can truly comprehend the universe we live in. However, I think the universe is incomprehensible even to us. As Socrates once said "I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." He also said "True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us." I don't think we are different from animals - we only think we are.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@CybernautZero We are also the only species to be responsible for a mass extinction (Holocene Extinction Event). We are "different" from other animals in many more bad ways than good. We kill each other without reason other than hate or selfishness, we are intolerant, and in order to be good, we must fight with our own human nature. There is little to be positive about in my opinion, when we see what we are actually doing to this beautiful world and to each other.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
The difference between you and me is how we think. It's our thinking patterns, although I agree with you, that humans can be really vicious, I know that they can also be the opposite if they want to be. I also know that there are many people out there that like myself, that want to live the best most possible ethical existence because it is at our core. The truth is, humanity isn't vicious, we are actually both vicious and kind, we are a paradox, but we can be what we want to be.
CybernautZero 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
Just like to offer that we aren't living here because we have to but because we want to. In this world of forms and limits we get to express something unique. Just like any art, any sport, any game, it's through limitations that we can express ourselves in new ways. When you remember you are here to express and that God wants you to have opportunity for that unique expression to happen, maybe your faith will start to return and you'll open a space for angels again.
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bqureshi21 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I don't believe I would be as depressed, if at all, if I believed in God. If there are any alternative solutions other than God, do let me know.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
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Believing in God doesn't cure depression. Believing in purpose might. Without God, it's hard to believe in purpose. Also, I think happiness without God is probably worthless, because God is your soul. I would just say to you, look for your soul.
You say animals are good and humans evil. Look again at what animals do. Humans are evil when they behave as animals. With your free will, you can be a real human, something rare and amazing in this world.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Animals do what they do with good, clear reason. They kill only because they have to - in their situation, what they do is clearly independent as judgmental actions compared to humans. I have never seen any other animal abuse other creatures, but humans abuse animals. I have never heard of one animal kill another out of jealousy. Animals kill for survival. They understand that that is essential to their suvival.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
Human beings are the only species to ever be responsible for a mass extinction event aside from natural causes (Holocene Extinction Event). We are destroying ourselves, each other, and the world around us. The planet is hurting because of our existence. And because, as you said, happiness without God is probably worthless, then this life may be worthless, because simply believing in God won't change the reality - whether He exists or not. I simply think He doesn't, but only one of us is right.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
Animals have also caused extinctions. It's not really that important what animals have done, though. We are part of this planet, we didn't come from somewhere else. We are the top of evolution here, a brutal evolution that has turned out a creature capable of compassion. That pretty incredible - from atoms and rocks to this. We are now capable of evolving quickly in a single life, in a single human being - emotionally, ethically, spiritually.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Animals have caused the end of other species' on a minor scale through competition, but none are responsible for mass extinction events. Human beings are the first species to be responsible for such an event. We are capable of compassion, but the evil that we as a species generate is far more overwhelming than the good.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
I don't know how many nature shows you've seen, or pets you've had. Animals love to dominate. They love to kill. They get very jealous. It's not about good or need, it's about drive and pleasure fulfillment. Killer whales and dolphins display shocking cruelty - not because they are evil, or is it? They aren't humans so we can't judge.
Humans have a stronger capacity to question themselves and check their passions than animals do.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot They do not get jealous - what you are referring to is territorial. Scientifically, most certainly animals do NOT kill for pleasure! When you referred to the domination portion - animals will fight others to assert their power to protect themselves and their species, as well as protect their territory. Please refer me to a scientific research that says animals kill for pleasure.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
If you like, watch some killer whale and seal videos on youtube. But, really, do you think that somehow only humans take pleasure in killing? Hate, fear, lust, arrogance - these things didn't originate with humans. But if you think they did, why? That to me implies something supernatural. I believe in the supernatural, but this to me is quite an ordinary part of nature, the lowest instincts and drives.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Do we have any scientific evidence of animals torturing other creatures (besides humans)? Animal abuse is a prevalent problem and I have not once heard of a single other creature torture other animals for pleasure (dog fighting is an example). Fear is simply a self-defense mechanism which creatures have for their protection/survival.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot And whatever the reason may be for the state of affairs in humanity, it is upsetting. I don't deny evolution brought us to this stage, nor that the human body/mind is an extraordinary thing. I simply think humans' ability to do evil things far exceeds our good. How long does it take to build cities/empires? How long did it take for an atomic bomb to destroy a population..?
bqureshi21 1 year ago
I do agree, however, it can entail perhaps a supernatural being. There are things that are very amazing in the universe that have statistically impossible probabilities. For example, a solar/lunar eclipse: The sun and moon are of course very different sizes but in an eclipse they are almost exactly the same due to the distances they are from the earth. The probability of that is extremely low.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
Given the movement of earth and the moon, the probability that a solar/lunar eclipse will happen is 1. It is not low as you imagine. Once the laws of nature are at work, every once in a while these eclipses are bound to occur with certainty. Only the probabilty that there was an eclipse on any day chosen at random of all days that have passed till now, is very low. That is a big difference.
Most people with poor understanding of probabilty make such sweeping remarks.
ClonedTriplet 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet lol very incorrect on your part. its statistics. the distance of the earth from the moon, and the moon from the sun, have nothing to do with the "movements" of the earth and moon. the moon and sun have extremely different sizes. you can look this up, its statistics.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21 sry, i meant distance from the earth to the moon and the earth to the sun*
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet and for your information, the eclipses don't really happen on random days, its actually quite systematic. the next solar eclipse for example will be in november 13, 2012.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet Perhaps your understanding of an eclipse is flawed. A solar eclipse is when the moon covers the sun. For that to happen, the distances are key. If the moon was further away, it would not fully cover the sun. The distances are set in stone, they don't change. The movements of the objects does have an impact because the eclipses are rare occurrances. However, just the probabilities involved that allows an eclipse to occur is very low. Keep studying, you'll need it.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
Your understanding of formal statistical parlance is very poor. I will try to explain it again. I know that eclipses are not random and that they are systemic. It is precisely this fact that makes the probability that an eclipse will occur once every certain number of time units, exactly equal to 1. This means, given that the laws of nature are at work, the eclipse is bound to occur when the correct allignment between the sun, moon and the earth occurs. To be continued...
ClonedTriplet 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet
Continued....
Since sun, moon, and earth are governed by natural laws, they will be in allignment systemically. Perhaps you don't understand the field of 'probability' well. Your reasoning is flawed. Think of it this way. You randomly pick one day of all the days that have passed till now. Since eclipse has occured on very few of those days P("Eclipse" GIVEN "Any given day chosen at random") is very less.
But P(eclipse will occur) = 1.
Let me explain again just in case...
ClonedTriplet 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet
cont'd....
Think...There are 20 balls in a basket, 19 blue & 1 red. You start picking balls one by one at random without looking into the basket. At worst, you will pick the red ball last. This means at every "pick" chance of picking the red ball is less. At the 1st pick, it is 1/20. At the 2nd pick it is 1/19, and so on. But, given that you keep picking, you will end up choosing the red ball (at worst you will chose it in 20 attempts). So P(red ball chosen inside 20 picks) =1
ClonedTriplet 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet
Continued...
In the same way, the eclipse will occur eventually given that natural laws are at work. They are rare events in the sense that number of days having such unique allignment among all possible days, is very less. However, the probability that an eclipse will occur is still 1. It will occur with certainty systemically.
I teach probability at a very high level. I don't want to boast, but perhaps you should read other's messages carefully before jumping to conclusions.
ClonedTriplet 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet and congratulations on your teaching levels, u don't want to boast but certainly they don't give out degrees for sincerity and respect, which u severely lack. learn some respect.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet notice you are pointing out its probability as 1 with "givens" ~ i have been saying since the beginning, that the "givens" are the probabilities i have been referring to - the probability of the givens that exist.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@ClonedTriplet i think you are completely missing my point. given the current distances of sun, moon, and earth from one another, yes, eclipse probability is equal to 1. that is given the current distances, though. for the distances to be so precise so as to allow for an eclipse, that probability is very low, just as the probability that the first protein coming into existence was also very low.
bqureshi21 1 year ago
@bqureshi21
You and I are talking of two different things then. Thus it is fruitless to continue this discussion any further. Peace !
I also read some of your previous comments as regards to you feeling depressed due to you realizing that there is no creator. I wonder what is so depressing about that because I find life better that way. Imagine being an eternal slave of an all controlling super-intelligence. That is not exactly freedom. With no omnipotent monarch, you are free !
ClonedTriplet 11 months ago
@ClonedTriplet Phrased the way you put it, of course it may seem better, but that depends on the way one sees things. The creator you describe is a cruel dictator, which certainly I would not want to live under. But when you say we are free, free from what? Free to do what? We live, struggle, then die. It's meaningless to me.
bqureshi21 11 months ago
@bqureshi21
Living, struggling, and dying is part of the greatest show on earth, that is "Evolution". That which sustains and adpts to its environment lives, and after a while when it cannot sustain itself, it dies. The thing that differenntiates us from other animals is our consciousness is evolved to an extent that we are aware of this process we call "life". Thus it makes sense to experience this awareness and live fruitfully while we last before we pass on our genes to our progeny.
ClonedTriplet 11 months ago
@ClonedTriplet And recall I never began my discussion with you, you replied to my initial comments and insulted my intelligence while misreading my claims and utilizing your self-proclaimed statistical genius while failing at literary comprehension. Consider it karma.
bqureshi21 11 months ago
@bqureshi21
I replied to your comment because I have the right to freedom of speech, this being the internet. If you get offended so easily, you should disable comments. Also, I never insulted your intelligence, rather you perceived it that way. I am not a statisticsal genius but still learning from the very accomplished people in the field. Lastly, there is no reason for me to believe in Karma as it is a logical fallacy. Can you prove Karma exists? If not, why should I consider it?
ClonedTriplet 11 months ago
@ClonedTriplet It wasn't easy offense that I took, at all. When someone accuses me of being ignorant on a topic while not realizing that they themselves completely misread the topic, that certainly offends me, and does more - it makes me embarrassed to be human. And tell me how else I should perceive your words: "Your understanding of formal statistical parlance is very poor. I will try to explain it again." I was using Karma lightly to prove a point, not prove Karma itself bud.
bqureshi21 11 months ago
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@ClonedTriplet You have the right to freedom of speech, and so do I.
bqureshi21 11 months ago
@bqureshi21
Also if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry for that but it was never my intention to do so. But still I don't understand why you are calling "life" as meaningless. To me, the withering of a flower is as beautiful as its blossoming. The old man who was once a young lad, is beautiful in his own way. His wrinkled face may be disliked by some, but his experience is vital to his sons. "Suffering" and "enjoyment" are tags that we give mistakenly to our life experiences. Peace.
ClonedTriplet 11 months ago
i thought he was onto something there until he started talking about god
vyortx 2 years ago
Use the word 'Life' then, same thing
ruaryscool 2 years ago 3
He isn't talking about God as you may think he is. Check out his books.
nuttymanyelismate 2 years ago
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It sounds like you have someone close to you with severe depression. This can be very sad.
What you say may be true, but you are forgetting to look at what caused the chemical imbalance in the first place. It didn't just happen. The chemical imbalance is created by the mind in depression, not the other way around. He is describing how to change your way of thinking so that your body stops creating the symptom of chemical imbalance. Drugs are like treating a runny nose instead of getting warmer.
alwaysdeeper 2 years ago
Thank you Jeff and you who put up this, very good input! I am going to share this with someone who is suffering from depression. I have been aiding her with much the same but this will give outside perspective.
DivineNatureAwakens 2 years ago
when Jeff talks of surrendering to God or whatever in many religions, that is true. However, with modern day Christianity, I think this surrender is done and then paradoxically replaced by painful prayers to God asking him to help, to take sides, and make us succeed for our enemies to be ashemed. This is very hypocrytical. I've done it, and it is quite a headache, so many tedious prayers and no phyisical result. Praying to get a god wife, praying to be rich, all this nonesense.
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
very powerful out of nowhere now here
nondualityexpression 3 years ago
Beautiful, thankyou. I sense this dude is free from bullcrap. What an honest, down to earth pointing, and it's something I've been sensing for a long time but haven't been able to put into words.
claronXXX 3 years ago 3
Yea, he seems very sincere. I hope to attend one of his talks soon.
Alphonzen 2 years ago
The common theme of life (in these words only)
TomSaunders89 3 years ago
Beautiful.
GauriSunshine 3 years ago
the video hits me right where the home is. I had been in a living death of depression my whole life. I lived in a world of depression so much of my life. Thanks to teachings such as those that jeff gives. I have been able to break free of my pain identity and loose everything so that I can start to gain everything. So much pain ive lived and so much freedom I hope to bring. Who knows where my life will go but I hope that someday I can say I am completely free.
bryanj212 3 years ago 3
But... you are already free.
mercurius0 3 years ago
true...Eckhart Tolle - power of now read it ;)
aberduuu 3 years ago
onesense. all AEcnterpret the Biisis mws ille knooble and y he cpoulonlu If us.s
mrcuteblackie 2 years ago
have you seen videos of adyashanti or eckhart tolle? and their books? they are really great!
aberduuu 3 years ago 3
Surrendering in the sense of allowing life to take care of itself rather than worrying about all the things that could happen. Life just falls into place when the beliefs are left aside, this seems to be the case and when it happens it's great!
daveparry 3 years ago 7
Just let the movie rolllllll......don't get identified with the character and be It (awareness). What else can you do? I heard that some people should drop that too in order to know oneness. I don't know aboyt that/.
KarameloKaramelo 2 years ago 3
@daveparry
nicely words.
rextony22 10 months ago