There are tiny "tribal" societies like the Yequana of the S.American Jungle who live in total bliss. They are free, but they don't have a word for freedom. They work hard by our standards, but there isn't a word in their language for "work", because they enjoy everything they do. They're always smiling, their INFANTS don't EVER cry, so I conclude that they need not know bad in order to recognize good by contrast. Even if they never get to see how good they have it in comparison, they are happy.
@gratex I can't do the googling for you. Read "The Continuum Concept" by Jean Liedloff. It will change the way you see youself, life, and your connection to nature.
@gratex Ok, so educating oneself is pointless? Yes, reading a "text" with an open mind can certainly improve your life, if you allow it. Of course it may be presumptuous of me to assume that you are willing or even psychologically able to apply what you learn from a book to your own inner self, but it's a harmless assumption that will make no difference at worst.
Sorry for baiting you into a trap, but it's easy to do so to people who bleat on romantically about life "on the other side". I baited you into arguing that one must read a book in order to be happy or enlightened after arguing that persons in a "tribal" society who can't read don't need to do so. Romantic idealism is dead. Of course on a superficial scale such a life is "perfect" but add disentry, infections, high infant mortality, etcetc. Unless they have servants? ;)
@gratex Infections and infant mortality? Reading? Servants? No they don't have servants, and their babies don't die any more than ours. Less actually. I spoke of a particular tribe, not "tribal" existence in general. The people profiled in the book are not the Apache. And they have language, spoken and written, they just don't have technology, government, formal "education", or amazon. Does this make them savages? Primitive? Go ahead, say it. I am still stuck on the fact that they smile nonstop.
The only way to understand what they have is to read about it, and eventually, spend some time with them. Personally, I know better than to potentially destroy their way of life by subjecting them to my current self, but after a few years of intensive self-healing, I intend to go and live a life that is pure and simple with people who never fight, rape, steal, or even argue from what anthropologists have observed. There are few like them left (not westernized), but we could all learn from them.
romantic idealism with no basis in fact, as I said, wtf. You read it in a book therefore it must be true, and you can dream on to your heart's content about how "better" those lives are, and perhaps one day you may get the opportunity to live amongst such eternal happiness! maybe, just... maybe. Grow up.
@gratex I don't believe anything based on a single book. If I did I would be exposed to things like religion. There are countless sources of information, you simply have to have the patience and intuition to sift through piles of shit to find the real thing. You have been an intellectual too long, and you are completely shut down to the idea of goodness, of purity, and of life as nature has set us to live it. It exists, you will just never find it. Ridicule away professor, you know nothing.
And the desire to have servants is a very bad sign. When your dream is to have a life in which you never have to use your body, you have become very unhealthy. Nature didn't build us to be decorative, our bodies are meant to be used. If you move, quit the desk job and do something physical, eat natural foods, build rather than buy wherever possible, get sun, breathe fresh air. Run, walk, swim, and anything else you can do. You will live longer, feel better, look better, live better.
so patronising and judgemental... you talk about the superficiality you percieve yet talk about how that tribe are "always smiling", a social sign of happiness rather than an actual test of happiness. It's astounding to me that someone would believe that there is some utopian tribe out there, regardless of their level of technology. Knowledge of the human being and evolution should point toward the inability of a human to be permanently happy.
@gratex You are confusing the corruption of human nature and it's consequences with human nature itself. I mentioned the smiling because we are in a superficial society that can only LOOK. What's a "measure of happiness"? Give me an example? Now don't rattle off statistical points on living standards, because that would make societies with no system of currency the most miserable people on earth because of their lack of "wages". I have studied more than just their smiles, and they are happy.
Washing the toaster, listening to you - azrienoch to me - wondering what you were up to. Non-philosopher here, but interested in words/people. At ca. 5 min., you clamed, "I stopped doing philosophy." I liked that. I stopped your film to write this; I may not make it to 14.45. I simply understand what you mean. The action of "doing philosophy" was attractive to me: like religion, or men. But anything that gets too serious, too exclusive, too hot: it ain't good no more. Lost in translation. pax
for a word to have meaning it must have a coalesced remembered store of electron dreams behind it . enough of a dream for your senses to draw there electron impulses to trigger physical interpretation and synergistic response to those impulses
Maybe that was simplistic or even wrong... about slavery... uhm... ok, lemme clarify for you. You say that for freedom to exist there must also be not freedom, or "slavery" that exists. This is, as you say, simplistic, or even wrong.
For the IDEA of freedom to exist, there must also exist the IDEA of not freedom. The object itself need not exist. If slavery were removed entirely from the face of the earth, the idea of it would still exist, so "not slavery" can still exist.
You're an enigma, wrapped in a flannel and surrounded by riddles.... I can't say I care about Jimbo or his clown soul but at least I know you judged Morrison to be a proper pedestal to determine the type of artists you loathe.
see.. jeff thats were you got this all wrong to some people slavery is not equaled to the same as freedom to the others such as "skin head" etc.. because in their opinion their society with african americans would not obviously... be the same as ours.. me myself i am not a once again "skin head" but im just saying..
The king/jester thing put me in mind of something I had read some years ago about deconstruction. The idea was that in medieval courts a jester would sometimes feign an assassination of the king (for entertainment purposes). But if the jester feigned an assassination, and then struck in earnest, then he was a deconstructionist.
Now I'm gonna spend the reset of my night trying to discern between Jeff and Not Jeff. But truely I don't understand what this has to do with tossing salads.
I don't know if it's fair to classify all of Philosophy as name-dropping. I know I try to do as little name-dropping as possible in an effort to express a point with as much clarity and personal representation as possible. That said, there is a bit too much of assuming that if we do name-drop we are standing at the throne with the kings and that somehow we've been elevated to that level.
Finally, if you're going to kill Albert and eat him I would appreciate it if you invited me over for dinner.
Wow I could not watch those other videos, my vocabulary just isn't that large. I will watch your video though because I like the sound of your voice as a back ground noise. 5 stars for having a soothing voice.
Why should people ask him for the text, when he's presenting his thought in the form he chose? He made a presentation, text was not included. Why should I have to beg him to explain himself, when he looks like he didn't intend to do it in the first place?
You say you hate philosophy, yet you still do it. You say it's about 'decentering the jesters', but you're playing one right now, putting yourself in the place of the interpreter.
You say dospook takes professoranton at the level of his YouTube persona, why shouldn't we do the same to dospook himself in this case and simply proclaim his presentation as arrogant?
Aren't you so clever. A clever little king. I still do it because people drag me back into it.
You shouldn't have to beg him, unless you cared enough to know, which you didn't. I just find it odd that you cared enough to comment. The question is, what was it you cared about?
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a well fit metaphor is still worth one hundred or more. Metaphors usually communicate a specific concept regarding the context, but poems are purposely vague for open interpretation. That leaves poems as a risky means of communicating a specific idea. So pehaps poetry is better as the dressing on the salad. A parrot word salad?
you know jeff (can i call you jeff lol) i think sleep is good for coherent sentences, but even though you are tired you got it down pritty well :) shame about the destrations like a 08:30, but you handeled it well with the " i will cook you" threat.
Derrida was a jackass
comradesteve1990 1 year ago
There are tiny "tribal" societies like the Yequana of the S.American Jungle who live in total bliss. They are free, but they don't have a word for freedom. They work hard by our standards, but there isn't a word in their language for "work", because they enjoy everything they do. They're always smiling, their INFANTS don't EVER cry, so I conclude that they need not know bad in order to recognize good by contrast. Even if they never get to see how good they have it in comparison, they are happy.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart
Provide proof of this? or don't.
gratex 1 year ago
@gratex I can't do the googling for you. Read "The Continuum Concept" by Jean Liedloff. It will change the way you see youself, life, and your connection to nature.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart
Ah if I read a text then my life will be improved, cool.
gratex 1 year ago
@gratex Ok, so educating oneself is pointless? Yes, reading a "text" with an open mind can certainly improve your life, if you allow it. Of course it may be presumptuous of me to assume that you are willing or even psychologically able to apply what you learn from a book to your own inner self, but it's a harmless assumption that will make no difference at worst.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart
Sorry for baiting you into a trap, but it's easy to do so to people who bleat on romantically about life "on the other side". I baited you into arguing that one must read a book in order to be happy or enlightened after arguing that persons in a "tribal" society who can't read don't need to do so. Romantic idealism is dead. Of course on a superficial scale such a life is "perfect" but add disentry, infections, high infant mortality, etcetc. Unless they have servants? ;)
gratex 1 year ago
@gratex Infections and infant mortality? Reading? Servants? No they don't have servants, and their babies don't die any more than ours. Less actually. I spoke of a particular tribe, not "tribal" existence in general. The people profiled in the book are not the Apache. And they have language, spoken and written, they just don't have technology, government, formal "education", or amazon. Does this make them savages? Primitive? Go ahead, say it. I am still stuck on the fact that they smile nonstop.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
The only way to understand what they have is to read about it, and eventually, spend some time with them. Personally, I know better than to potentially destroy their way of life by subjecting them to my current self, but after a few years of intensive self-healing, I intend to go and live a life that is pure and simple with people who never fight, rape, steal, or even argue from what anthropologists have observed. There are few like them left (not westernized), but we could all learn from them.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart
romantic idealism with no basis in fact, as I said, wtf. You read it in a book therefore it must be true, and you can dream on to your heart's content about how "better" those lives are, and perhaps one day you may get the opportunity to live amongst such eternal happiness! maybe, just... maybe. Grow up.
gratex 1 year ago
@gratex I don't believe anything based on a single book. If I did I would be exposed to things like religion. There are countless sources of information, you simply have to have the patience and intuition to sift through piles of shit to find the real thing. You have been an intellectual too long, and you are completely shut down to the idea of goodness, of purity, and of life as nature has set us to live it. It exists, you will just never find it. Ridicule away professor, you know nothing.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
And the desire to have servants is a very bad sign. When your dream is to have a life in which you never have to use your body, you have become very unhealthy. Nature didn't build us to be decorative, our bodies are meant to be used. If you move, quit the desk job and do something physical, eat natural foods, build rather than buy wherever possible, get sun, breathe fresh air. Run, walk, swim, and anything else you can do. You will live longer, feel better, look better, live better.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart
so patronising and judgemental... you talk about the superficiality you percieve yet talk about how that tribe are "always smiling", a social sign of happiness rather than an actual test of happiness. It's astounding to me that someone would believe that there is some utopian tribe out there, regardless of their level of technology. Knowledge of the human being and evolution should point toward the inability of a human to be permanently happy.
gratex 1 year ago
@gratex You are confusing the corruption of human nature and it's consequences with human nature itself. I mentioned the smiling because we are in a superficial society that can only LOOK. What's a "measure of happiness"? Give me an example? Now don't rattle off statistical points on living standards, because that would make societies with no system of currency the most miserable people on earth because of their lack of "wages". I have studied more than just their smiles, and they are happy.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
It's funny how gone you are these days. You're just like - so gone.
Gonna send you a private vid a few months from now about how to publish yourself on Lightning Source. It's been an interesting experience.
threeofwands 2 years ago
Washing the toaster, listening to you - azrienoch to me - wondering what you were up to. Non-philosopher here, but interested in words/people. At ca. 5 min., you clamed, "I stopped doing philosophy." I liked that. I stopped your film to write this; I may not make it to 14.45. I simply understand what you mean. The action of "doing philosophy" was attractive to me: like religion, or men. But anything that gets too serious, too exclusive, too hot: it ain't good no more. Lost in translation. pax
sylvestermeow 2 years ago
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thank you. insightful.
hyperseauton 2 years ago
So, you are saying that for a word to have a meaning it must have an opposite?
chauntetherocker 2 years ago
for a word to have meaning it must have a coalesced remembered store of electron dreams behind it . enough of a dream for your senses to draw there electron impulses to trigger physical interpretation and synergistic response to those impulses
cardellacole2 2 years ago
i believe the word was"explanation"
chikenshitconformist 2 years ago
Maybe that was simplistic or even wrong... about slavery... uhm... ok, lemme clarify for you. You say that for freedom to exist there must also be not freedom, or "slavery" that exists. This is, as you say, simplistic, or even wrong.
For the IDEA of freedom to exist, there must also exist the IDEA of not freedom. The object itself need not exist. If slavery were removed entirely from the face of the earth, the idea of it would still exist, so "not slavery" can still exist.
pfarabee 2 years ago 3
NEITHER exists as anything but an idea, pfar. Though I did see the abstraction that scurried across the floor in this video at 7:50
Cashify 2 years ago
You're an enigma, wrapped in a flannel and surrounded by riddles.... I can't say I care about Jimbo or his clown soul but at least I know you judged Morrison to be a proper pedestal to determine the type of artists you loathe.
Mephistophilus 2 years ago
I wholly accept the fact that my art has no meaning what so ever, and if people are trying to understand it, they're doing it wrong.
Tinplz 2 years ago 2
Your ferret freaked me out! hehehehe~
ShortbusMooner 2 years ago
wow, If my video was Halloweeny, yours is certainly thanksgivingy. thanx.
dospook 2 years ago
When you mentioned being a 'passive' participant in this discussion, my first thought was, "Does that mean you are a philosophical bottom?"
Because Philosophical Bottom would make a great band name. Or book title.
tetsubo57 2 years ago
Dude, tell me you own a pet rat otherwise, what the hell was that that crawled across your floor at 7:50
busheybushdawg 2 years ago
That was a ferret. I used to have one myself. Great pets. It's like having a kitten that never grows up.
tetsubo57 2 years ago
I used to have 6 then 5 myself...x has them now.
Cashify 2 years ago
deconstruction is whining about the copula
almafarag 2 years ago
on second thought,
's about the danger of OVERCOPULATION
(deCONstruction I S [! ?] dining a bout the popula)
almafarag 2 years ago
see.. jeff thats were you got this all wrong to some people slavery is not equaled to the same as freedom to the others such as "skin head" etc.. because in their opinion their society with african americans would not obviously... be the same as ours.. me myself i am not a once again "skin head" but im just saying..
JustExitOut 2 years ago
Just make sure it's chicken in the salad and not Albert al fono.
2bsirius 2 years ago
Also as a humourless vegetarian I gotta add that tofu makes a great addition to any salad, either as a word or as an ingredient.
2bsirius 2 years ago 2
interesting... I like salads and I like tofu, but not together. Edamame is much better
loveisallneed 2 years ago
Have you ever noticed that the people with the best hair are the most famous philosophers? I mean, how else can you explain Chalmers and Pinker?????
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
lol, thanks for the link.
i'll try to be less of a troll with you
(in truth, its rarely my plan, it's just how it is .. .. .. people need tellin')
ThePointlessPoint 2 years ago
The king/jester thing put me in mind of something I had read some years ago about deconstruction. The idea was that in medieval courts a jester would sometimes feign an assassination of the king (for entertainment purposes). But if the jester feigned an assassination, and then struck in earnest, then he was a deconstructionist.
threeofwands 2 years ago
itd make more sense to comment what you are saying instead of how you are saying it but i really enjoy listening to you talk. its soothing.
sxeeplta 2 years ago
Now I'm gonna spend the reset of my night trying to discern between Jeff and Not Jeff. But truely I don't understand what this has to do with tossing salads.
musicisthegateway 2 years ago
azrienoch is not-jeff
bubonicnate 2 years ago
what a defining comment.
musicisthegateway 2 years ago
what an accurate comment!
bubonicnate 2 years ago
not-jeff is azrienoch.
Mjhavok 2 years ago
Albert had me constantly looking over my shoulder throughout this video, at least until you acknowledged him.
southmcl 2 years ago
I don't know if it's fair to classify all of Philosophy as name-dropping. I know I try to do as little name-dropping as possible in an effort to express a point with as much clarity and personal representation as possible. That said, there is a bit too much of assuming that if we do name-drop we are standing at the throne with the kings and that somehow we've been elevated to that level.
Finally, if you're going to kill Albert and eat him I would appreciate it if you invited me over for dinner.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Wow I could not watch those other videos, my vocabulary just isn't that large. I will watch your video though because I like the sound of your voice as a back ground noise. 5 stars for having a soothing voice.
The1337Juice 2 years ago 4
Why should people ask him for the text, when he's presenting his thought in the form he chose? He made a presentation, text was not included. Why should I have to beg him to explain himself, when he looks like he didn't intend to do it in the first place?
You say you hate philosophy, yet you still do it. You say it's about 'decentering the jesters', but you're playing one right now, putting yourself in the place of the interpreter.
TheMariborchan 2 years ago
You say dospook takes professoranton at the level of his YouTube persona, why shouldn't we do the same to dospook himself in this case and simply proclaim his presentation as arrogant?
TheMariborchan 2 years ago
Uh, I didn't say not to...
azrienoch 2 years ago
Aren't you so clever. A clever little king. I still do it because people drag me back into it.
You shouldn't have to beg him, unless you cared enough to know, which you didn't. I just find it odd that you cared enough to comment. The question is, what was it you cared about?
azrienoch 2 years ago
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but a well fit metaphor is still worth one hundred or more. Metaphors usually communicate a specific concept regarding the context, but poems are purposely vague for open interpretation. That leaves poems as a risky means of communicating a specific idea. So pehaps poetry is better as the dressing on the salad. A parrot word salad?
Ignore my typos please. Pounding headace + fever = jello brain salad. Yummy!
vclamp 2 years ago
This video made me hungry. I'ma go eat some alpha-ghetti.
Joshbuckler 2 years ago
Googled
ExistentialExistent 2 years ago
the prof has not migrated over to youtube enough to be called a youtube persona. he's still in class moistening his senior helpers imo.
regratex 2 years ago
someones got a coke sponsorship ;D
roflwaffle12321 2 years ago
Which was the original video by Professoranton?
I'd like to follow
kurtastrophe 2 years ago
Actually he said pus-sy interior ie. that yellow -white supperation from sores...not pussy.
Surely dospook is merely satirizing professoranton?
squirrly001 2 years ago
No, not satirizing. And either way, it's an excellent word-painting.
azrienoch 2 years ago
Thanx, you sure enlighten this teenagers mind, I wish I had more time to study more things that I like.
njartimis 2 years ago
I understand dospook once every ten minutes, lulz
Spalg 2 years ago
11:18 I totaly agree with you there that rocked.
twichnitr0 2 years ago
you know jeff (can i call you jeff lol) i think sleep is good for coherent sentences, but even though you are tired you got it down pritty well :) shame about the destrations like a 08:30, but you handeled it well with the " i will cook you" threat.
twichnitr0 2 years ago
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third ftw
civvys 2 years ago
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Second! First poster is gay
aquaman1717 2 years ago
you're gay!
MrCarelo 2 years ago
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U know I am first but Im not gonna shout it out because i dont wanna be related to those people that do... yeah
MrCarelo 2 years ago