BGM-109G Gryphon (Ground Launched Cruise Missile or GLCM)

[liznthundar]

worked comm maintenance when I was in the Air Force and was stationed in a GLCM unit in Germany from '86-'89. Best place I ever was stationed. I loved that assignment! The females back then didn't give a sh** back then about being PC. Most of us joked with the guys and never took offense to acronyms or jokes.

[StiviGun1]

They should've developed a conventional armed version and keep it in service within the ground forces.

[ShitFromTransASS]

@StiviGun1 No thats against treaty. We had to scrap too many medium range missiles. Why did we do that? They were all nukes targeting Europe anyway.

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS Well, the treaty was a bullshit. They should've made a treaty that would've allowed them to keep the land based Tomahawks armed with conventional warheads.

The reason why Russia had to scrap "so many medium range missiles" was simply because Russia HAD MORE OF THEM. Why did they develop so many of them, now that's a good question. But if the treaty banned all the missiles with ranges between 500-5500 km, all the weapons that fit into this category had to be scrapped.

[ShitFromTransASS]

@StiviGun1 Russia scrapped many nuclear and conventional missiles that were just developed and produced at that time. USSR always wanted peace in Europe. We spent so much money for that missiles SS-4 SS-5 SS-12 SS-20 and they all just gone. Is it fair? Of course!

And if you call this treaty bullshit, you obviously desire to live as a target for nukes... if you are not american, of course. Otherwise, congratulations: "Hey, who cares about all those targets on the other side of the globe!"

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS OK, 1st u say that Russia always wanted peace on the European continent, then u say it spend so much money on developing a lot of nuclear ballistic missiles... That's a self contradiction. Besides, tell me, for what treaty did Russia ever started talks on? It was always the US that started the talks no nuclear disarmament. So how is Russia peaceful?

This treaty reduces BOTH countries' arsenals, not just Russia's, in case u didn't know... So how would it make someone a target 4

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS nuclear weapons, ha? ANd don't forget that it is Russia, who, despite the fact that they have newer ICBM designs, r now building TWO NEW MORE NUCLEAR ICBMs, the RS-24 and Bulava in complete contradiction with the treaties they have signed. So how is Russia peaceful? All I see is aggression and arming from Russia, no peace initiative what so ever.

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS Russia doesn't update its ICBM arsenal, they're building NEW ICBMs, which violates the terms of the treaty.

"otherwise all those old missiles will become rusted and useless" Really? Then how come the Americans rely on the over 40 years old design Minuteman? How come the Americans can maintain those VERY OLD missiles & the Russians can't maintain their NEWER missiles? Who r u trying 2 sell these bullshits to?

"Oh, poor Pershing!" Actually, I was talking abt the Gryphon cruise

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS missile, although developing the Reduced Range Pershing II missile & equip with conventional warheads as well, not just nuclear ones, would've been a great idea too.

"Soviet Union also wasted a lot of resourses, but they don't cry about that". Don't make me laugh. They cry abt it every day. In specially after the Oka missile. The Russians r nothing but weapons OBSESSED GOONS.

[Jospehporta]

@StiviGun1 Erm right so reducing the range of the Pershing and equipping it with a conventional warhead would have been good, WHY? Because you think its cool. It's warhead is too small to cause any significant damage, which would make it expensive and useless.

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS "There is nothing wrong if Russia updates ICBM arsenal". Well, then I guess you wouldn't mind if America upgraded its ICBMs arsenal with newer, much more capable ICBM, right? What would you say if they decided to restart the BGM-75 AICBM project?

[ShitFromTransASS]

@StiviGun1 If it is intercontinental missile, why not restart it? I was talking about medium range missiles not ICBMs. They posess threat for our world, they must be scrapped according to the treaty.

[StiviGun1]

@ShitFromTransASS Yeah, but Russia is not planning to increase Inskander M's range over 500 km and they're also developing a cruise missile based on Iskander M with a range of 2000 km. That would be a violation of this treaty.

Regarding the BGM-75 AICBM, yes, it was an ICBM project. A very powerful one. The missile would've been able between 10-20 warheads and tens of decoys.

[ShitFromTransASS]

@StiviGun1 "It was always the US that started the talks no nuclear disarmament."

Of course, after they started Cold War and Arms Race and all that nuclear armament. Russians are not those who started nuclear threat.

[Jospehporta]

@StiviGun1 It is not against eh treaty to develop new ICBM's have you even read it? I didn't think so.

[PS2djX]

lock & load guys!

[rhblakeman]

I worked as a missile tech for AGM-69A SRAM, AGM-86B ALCM and AGM-129A ACM at the time on the FB-111A, B-52's and B-1B and they were pulling people left and right out of our field for GLCM. Quite a few people I knew either vol'd or were pulled into this and went to field operating positions overseas. Glad I wasn't one of them. Air launched was bad enough many times without having to worry about hauling your stuff around on a trailer type launcher.

[nighthawk006phoenix]

Yes, I think they are called WAGs (Weird Acronym Generators).

[4223037]

Is there a job in the military where people make up weird acronyms for new equipment??

[rhblakeman]

@4223037 Nope they are just abbreviations for the full name - every profession has some form of it. Hell just working with the computer you have for internet you've picked up all sorts of acronyms like sata, ide, cpu, ram, rom, cdrom, dvd, etc. Gets tiring saying the full thing. Our test equipment was an AN/GSM designation (GSM is guidance set, missile - I think) and we all pronounced it as jism. All part of the job, regardless of your job.

[4223037]

@rhblakeman GSM pronounced as jism? I'm guessing there weren't many women in your field of work. ;)

[rhblakeman]

@4223037 We had about 3 females per shop of 30-40 total but while it was pronounced that way the correlation to a sexual term was never really focused on. Same as the age old term of dikes for diagonal cutters - just a term used and never connected with any offensive term for a lesbian - until the 90's when the PC crowd took offense to anything and everything. We never had problems with male and female in the same shop either, except for those of either gender that couldn't pull their own weight