It looks as if the tree was leaning in the direction of the fall, if he used the boring technique instead of the standard fell cut he would have avoided what happened.
I'm not sure what you guys are complaining about, as far as I can see he isn't doing anything wrong; there are alternative felling techniques which might have been safer, but there's no guarantee the tree might not have splintered anyway. Trees under stress are simply dangerous to fell.
O' one more thing. I have fell trees 28+ years. The best guys are the ones with years of experience, never forgetting they too started somewhere, respect the rookies and don't tell you everything you're doing wrong. Listen to those who love jobs in trees and secure enough to help along the way. It wont take long to know the difference. :)
Dude ur a dumbass first of y'all go get proper felling training from certified professional fellers no chaps eye protection long sleeves shirt drop stating the saw running with the saw there's alot that yu fucked up on dude stop before yu get ur self hurt or killed
@gaggotgaggot Um.....I'm from Canada eh. And as such, I have noticed a lot of people make typical comments about our neighbors to the South. Which is ironic considering how typical they believe Americans to be..........
@clintnickerson you live in north america, that makes you an american you fucking idiot. go to timmys and stuff you face with a few donoughts like the rest of youe fat friends over there
Nice display of internet balls @gaggotgaggot, bet in real life you'd probably swallow hard and shrink. Show me someone who uses internet balls to make themselves feel macho and I'll show you a bitch boi in real life.
@nord799 because he hasnt a clue how to cut down a tree and then just look at him running with a chainsaw. what a fucking fool. just like every other american
@gaggotgaggot oh come on you little, he knows how to cut tree down, he just didnt make the back cut all the way...dry wood is so tricky u cant imagine simpleton, it was tilt a little when he had started, started to fall and stoped, old wood could not hold a pressure, happens, dont talk if dont know or never been there...pissin me off...how you got to that video, wanted to see somebody almost got killed, you freak :)))
@kenfo0 But I can't. This video happened over two years ago and I have not yet perfected my time machine that will enable me to travel back to that moment and drop the saw to prevent this repeated comment. My humblest of apologies.
@clintnickerson Only because they were your humblest apologies, I accept. My comment is for current/future reference. 1. clear exit path (2 in case things go wrong). 2.if anything unexpected happens, drop saw and run. You might only have a second.
you can tell by the sound of the saw that it is still like new hasn't been run much, and you can tell by watching this video that you are new at using it
MrMeanderthai is right. You didn't hesitate on the back cut so much as, your face had a dutchman in it . If you put in the face and your cuts didn't line up, clean it up until they do. If you don't understand this, and you really want to be a good faller, email me. Falling can be fairly simple when dealing with healthy sound trees with minimal lean, especially if you are going with the lean. Don't F around with this stuff. Your technique is unacceptable.
@brianmsee I don't think you read MrMeanderthai's comment correctly. He agreed that it was a barber chair. There have been a few comments about the face cut being out. It was not. I fully understand that a dutchman is when your face cuts don't line up, that was not the case in this instance. I don't understand why you make a judgement call like this on a video that you cannot clearly see the face cut. It only looks out because of the camera angle.
@clintnickerson I'm trying to keep you alive, if that matters. You need to remove the face cut (or pie cut) before you begin the back cut. You cut that wood out so the stem has somewhere to go without massive stress to the stem. Anyway, always remove this piece as the tree won't fall correctly if you leave it in. And I have never heard of anyone leaving it in before starting the back cut. Unless you are trying to die, and thats a new technique to me.
No way to tell if he cut a dutchman from the video. You can see his face notch was removed from the video, so that is not an issue. The guy who shot the video said his face was clean, sounds like he has been taught about clean faces. So I'll take him at his word, plus I don't see the tree swinging anyways. Don't make it more complicated than it is. He had a green tree with a lean barber chaired on him when he paused on his back-cut.
You are a rookie like the guy in the video. I am a seasoned pro. You defend someone who's cuts end up like this? You are on your way to being a statistic, kid.
I ain't no rookie, and I wasn't defending his cut. I was just saying what it is, not the the b.s. you're writing on here. There is no way to tell if he cut a dutchman from the video, he may well have cut one but you just can't tell from the video. What you can tell is his face notch was removed and the tree barber chaired. And anyways he said he was a beginner, give him a break. As I'm sure you've never made a mistake in your career, especially when you were a beginner.
@clintnickerson Yes it was a huge retarded barber chair, no question. Excellent response to justisfy suicide cutting techniqman tool (chainsaw) combined with no knowledge will kill you. I have never have heard of cutting the face and leaving it in. Read a book or anything to keep youself alive. I use tree jacks on 60"+ trees regularly. Don't argue son.
Brian. Now, if you really don't understand that you need to remove your face cut before the back cut, PUT YOUR SAW DOWN NOW!.
Clean cuts fellas. Don't start the back till your face is cleaned out with no kerfs in the face. Unless you want to cut like a retard wanker and end up with videos like this that all of my coworkers laugh at. Take time to clean up your face or die like a retard.
Geez, you are lucky that tree didn't kill you. Two loggers were killed here a couple of weeks ago by trees that barber chaired. First of all I would have made my front v cut and then two scribed side cuts and and finish it off with one cut on the back just below the two scribe cuts. It's that sap wood that is deadly. Scribing through the sap around each side you wood have been fine.
a) a dutchman will only cause a barber chair after the tree starts to fall.. as the tree starts to fall the dutchman stops that fall momentarily causing tremendous strain the back cut is the stress riser and that's where it splits.
b) when falling a leaning tree it is best practise to complete the back cut without stopping until you get to the end of the cut.. this stops the stress from being concentrated at one spot for too long causing a barber chair as it did in this clip.
its just like being a quarterback. stand in the pocket and saw..worry less about chaps eye protect etc.etc. blah blah. learn to file or grind your chains. learn to get the most out of your saw and run consistent gas. keep a screwdriver on you at all times . make sure your carb is snapping at all times and dont be a pussy. spruce and fir are different. pine, alder, hemlock and larch. dry wood, greenwood, leaners and natural timber lay. basic timber falling schemes. look up alot
may these accidents that we find funny in this site also serve as a caution for us. no one wants to meet an accident of get hurt for that matter. Our body is very important, a single finger, toe, or hand that we lose we can never get back. If it can, that's only thru technology which are also man made
As a pacific northwest timber faller and contractor thats a barberchair at its finest first mistake the cutter was probably using a dull chain most barberchairs happen when a saw can not keep up with the tree most hear a pop they chickenshit out step back and its to late the tree has already barberchaired and the cutter is killed at the stump,run of thumb never tackle a leaner without a sharp chain and a saw to be able to keep up with it! chinook tree service
1. Yes that is a barber chair, I don't know how there could be any confusion. This is a classic example.
2. Safety equipment. Helmet: check. Chaps? Hard to tell.
3.Fleeing the scene: Drop the saw. If it comes down to running for your life, that's 20 pounds of easily replaceable dead weight that you don't need. Plus if you do get clobbered you don't need a running chainsaw anywhere near you to make things even more interesting.
great example of a barber chair! It looks to me like you had a dutchman in your notch.Looking at the video the tree moved then stopped then barber chaired, also when you cut the remaining staub it moved and stopped. Make shure you don't bypass either plane when cutting you're notch!
Ok, I googled it, went to the first 6 sites, one of which was the history channels Ax men series site, they all said that this is a barber chair. Seems to me a lot of people are using this term wrong but insist that their actually right. Just because someones been using the term wrong for 20 or 30 years, still does not make them right lol.
To all of the people who are saying this isn't a barber chair: WHAT IS IT THEN? Can any ACTIVE loggers clear this up? I would have thought me being born and raised in British Columbia, from a logging family and having many friends employed in the industry would lend some credibility. At least contribute something useful instead of simply saying "It isn't a barber chair".
@clintnickerson thats like the best example of a barber chair i ever seen.that was insane. good thing you got out of there. take care man, its a risky business.
gee wiz guys this isnt a barberchair,, sorry - he is on the ground. the term is used for a climber in a tree hitching a chain around the tree to keep this from happening. but who knows, these arborist today have it made. WE made our equitment- no arbor age or TCI or fancy schools, my husband worked with the Sartain bros all 7 of them back in the 60's first company in CA.. trees were big, most are all gone now with the uke man vs oak man,, sad to see these stories die with the men of the past!
. Landscapers planted trees with wire still on root ball and then stake theheck out of for the extra money cost. I have freed so many trees in parking lots years in growth with wire choking limbs and trunk,, oh yeah the charged for the checks up but never came back. Trees dont need staked! and this mulch piled up on the trunk. who the heck started this? trees need to feel the wind and grow with it. staking weakings trees and the roots,
yep thats a classic barberchair. I got nailed under the chin with one Valentines day 2004, and got the scar to remember it. awesome reflexes glad you made it out safe
i am old school in the tree biz. isnt barber chair term used in a tree when it splits & crushes climber withthe butt strap? but anyway after inspecting trees the last 10 years and with YT mishaps. I find our trees are dying at the trunk with a strange rot. tree seems healthy untill tolate for treatment IF there is any. At the molecule base, our elements are eroding fast. anyway this tree shows exact signs of what i am investigating. one day we wake up all the trees fell over in the night?
@Cloudy011 Is this a planted tree or volunteer? Sometimes I find local hicks making beer money (kinda like georgianfire...below) dazelling the ignorant with thick tree lingo like"bore cut" to get a job, and then plant a tree without scoring the root ball, (the county contractors do it too, to be fair). Spreading the tap roots in the hole, even if you do extra digging, will prevent the roots from crossing and choking the tree when it's 5 or 10 years down the road, which can cause that rot.
That's not barber chairing my friend, even though with the way I thought the top might be hung up, I did expect it to. I been in the business 23 years and barber chairing happens mainly in pines, which are kinda telescopic in their build. The tree will spin off the stump (like a barber's chair) instead of dropping when it barber chairs.
@2ubtrue I respectfully disagree. Not that I'm an expert, but living in British Columbia I am personally surrounded by about 1,000 years of collective experienced fallers that say otherwise. A quick Google search will provide some credible reading that supports this being a barber chair.
@clintnickerson I understand your point, ...listen up! If that cut does not result in a terrible spin at base, then it's not considered "barber-chairing. In the south, we associate this well known phenomenon with the paper/pine industry, but recently I found this occurs anywhere near business timber. Even the name barber chairing was coined in south Alabama in the early 1900s. It's the 4th leading cause of death associated with timber. Consult an arborist not Google, respectively.
@2ubtrue From where I come from and have fell timber in the last thirty years in the PNW, this is considered a barberchair. Yes, pine trees tend to split easily, but I have had almost every species do that through the years.. (Although not quite as high up). Spruce, Red fir, White fir, Cedar, Redwood, etc. It is always a wake-up call when that happens. As long as you're not laying underneath it is truly all that matters.
Wow. All I can say is you are lucky you're not squirrel food. A lot of barber chairs happen when undercut is not clean to the hinge, undercut not big enough, too heavy lean, and saw not sharp enough. Looks like all of the above on this prime example. High heels? Lmao!!
@timberfaller666 I've had a few comments about the undercut not being clean, but I really don't think that was the case. The rest is more than likely accurate and I might add that my back cut was way too high. I guess what it comes down to is you gotta learn somehow as long as you don't die trying. By the way, really liked your video! Would love to saw some big trees like those!!
It's hard to see your cut from this distant. But I think your face cut could of been corrected a bit. When a tree is leaning like this, you never want to go full force in on the cut. Just do little cuts while your doing your back cut. This allows the pressure to release easy and gravity do most of the work. You did good by listening to the tree, I would of waited a few seconds longer. Don't look back, get out fast and safe.
@frizzybob Oh frizzybob, maybe you weren't looking close enough! I was wearing high heals. btw, what's a "ran like run"? Thanks for the comment sugar.
@chris23a1 The jury is out on that one. Some people think it was a bad undercut, some say type of tree, others say I should have kept cutting. Run worked for me, it landed right where I was standing.
@clintnickerson I'm no logger but have cut many a tree (forest land owner) Me thinks that undercut was short and yes, should have kept cutting. Glad to see you unharmed. Good lesson....thanks for posting.
@umf3rider" NEVER" run with a saw,throw it down and then run. Had you not recovered from your stumble, you would be talking about what your next career is and not a barber chair !!!!!
@dserf101 I agree 100%. However, being relatively new to it my thoughts were on getting out from under the tree only! Thank goodness us hockey playin Canadians have good balance eh?!
Hey dude, what a great example of barber chair. My apprentice did this once when we were pulling a crack willow. At least you had the common sense to run. We had to tell the apprentice to run! Thanks for sharing! ;)
Thanks for posting this, one of the better videos I have seen on safety. I was just trying to get up to speed never used a chainsaw and taking down a small tree about 30 feet.
I've read about barber chairs...talked to guys who have had it happen to them but in 7 years of cutting it's never happened to me. I liked how you were looking up when starting your back cut and you were obviously ready to run. A less cautious cutter might be dead if he were in your place. Thanks for sharing.
Whew, that is one of the gnarliest barber chairs I have ever seen. Were you happy with how much holding wood you had? It looks like you left too much holding wood, not allowing the tree to drop, which increased the pressure put on the back via the tip of the tree. I would have kept cutting it and not have pulled out so soon, but still, dropping trees is a risky business and there is no way you can predict everything. Nice video!
Hmmmm sieht man ja daß dein ein klarer Vorhänger ist. Warum hast du den nicht, so wie man es im Lehrgang lernt, mit Stechschnitt und Halteband gefällt? Dann wär das garantiert nicht passiert ;)
@MrPummi88 I tried to translate this on babelfish and it was pretty confusing. Maybe asking why i didn't use a strap...., if so, good point. Thanks for the comment.
There was clearly an unintentional bypass dutchman on the face.. the evidence of that is in the little bit of movement and then the stop.. so the tree moved until the kerf closed, just barely perceptible on the vid. That is why the guy stopped and took a step back
@clintnickerson there is no question about it, no disrespect intended. you were there and all. BUT. the video doesn't lie, clearly a bypass cut on the face. not only from the start and stop before the barber chair, but also clearly there from the movement of the remainder of the tree, when you were pushing it by hand. that is all classic and unquestionable evidence of a bypass on the face... sometimes they are hard to see becasue they fill with sawdust. post stump pic on gypoclimber(dot)com
@clintnickerson there is no question about it, no disrespect intended. you were there and all. BUT. the video doesn't lie, clearly a bypass cut on the face. not only from the start and stop before the barber chair, but also clearly there from the movement of the remainder of the tree, when you were pushing it by hand. that is all classic and unquestionable evidence of a bypass on the face... sometimes they are hard to see becasue they fill with sawdust. post stump pic on gypoclimber(dot)com
No way to tell from the vid if he left a dutchman, looks like a barber chair plain & simple. Not saying he didn't leave a dutchman, but once again there is no way to tell from this vid.
This is a great video for explaining to rookies what a barberchair is and why it's dangerous. Thanks for posting.
We've all done some scary or stupid stuff when we were starting out, hopefully since this happened you've had time to practice your bore cutting skills. Work safe!
Ho-ly sh*tbags!! I probably would Not have said it, so much as done it! LOL! Your video is great because it's hard to catch barberchairs on tape. Stay alert, stay alive!
your lucky man..real lucky. my family has been a logging family for a looooong time. about seven years ago my dad was killed by a barber chair while falling an alder. Keep doin your thing though man!
@Mansfield907 Thanks for the comment. I don't believe in luck, if it was my time to go it would have ended differently. I am sorry for your loss, I also grew up in a logging family. It's a crazy dangerous profession, but the guys (and gals) that do it usually love it. Take care.
dude, good reflexes! check out my vid "limehill killer tree" by goneoutsider. my tree was notched and backcut all the way to the hinge.. and then.. well you watch and let me know what you think, cool vid to you
dude, good reflexes! check out my vid "limehill killer tree" by goneoutsider. my tree was notched and backcut all the way to the hinge.. and then.. well you watch and let me know what you think, cool vid to you
Thanks for posting this. I've been cutting trees for 22 years and I've 'chaired a few myself, before I got clued in to setting the hinge first then cutting to the back. This'll make you feel even better; I wanted to show someone a barberchair, but I said to him 'I don't think this'll show it because that tree doesn't seem to have enough lean". :)
PS: I think you would've been fine if you had quickly made a conventional felling cut; you just happened to stop at the worst possible point.
Call me stupid, but i'll use a dog tooth cut whenever the tree is leaning anything more than a little bit, i'm learning the trade in college and its how we're taught. Nice work though man, you did great to get out of the way and i dont blame you for running with your saw, it looks like you clicked the chain brake on anyways.
Good footage! I'm going to use this to demo the barber chair. Did you do a bore cut and set up the hinge first followed by a back cut going from the center to the back of the tree? Or did you cut the back strap from the back of the tree cutting inward?
This happened to me once and I will never forget it. There was no warning crack. It happened in an instant. It almost took my head off. EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED!!! Thanks for posting this so others can learn.
@Mattinsouthnjebay I have done this type of work for nearly half my life (my father ownes a small company in Ct.) and just a year ago I had that happen to me. We had a rope hung and tied to the Swingers winch, pulled a little too hard and POP went about 20 feet up before it layed down and fell, no injuries and no damage, so things were OK, I'm 32 and have worked for my father since I was 16 (minus a 4 year enlistment) so I like to think I know what I'm doing. It CAN happen to anyone.
DAMN, thanks for sharing. That's the worst one I've ever seen. You'd have been done if you'd been standing behind it but fortunately you were in the right place and had a clear escape path. I would have plunged the back-cut to finish out your hinge with the tree still stabilized and then completed the backcut to drop it (what cyoung927 suggested). I'll say though, by looking at the tree, I wasn't expecting that. Thanks again for sharing. It's a hell of a learning experience for all.
It looks as if the tree was leaning in the direction of the fall, if he used the boring technique instead of the standard fell cut he would have avoided what happened.
DanielDrosa 6 days ago
I'm not sure what you guys are complaining about, as far as I can see he isn't doing anything wrong; there are alternative felling techniques which might have been safer, but there's no guarantee the tree might not have splintered anyway. Trees under stress are simply dangerous to fell.
ruzaruzaruza 3 weeks ago 4
@ruzaruzaruza The complainers complain, it's what they do best.
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O' one more thing. I have fell trees 28+ years. The best guys are the ones with years of experience, never forgetting they too started somewhere, respect the rookies and don't tell you everything you're doing wrong. Listen to those who love jobs in trees and secure enough to help along the way. It wont take long to know the difference. :)
dallassoftballcoach 3 weeks ago
@dallassoftballcoach Thanks for the comment :)
clintnickerson 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Hey, everyone starts someplace, no one gets good without a lot of practice. Hang in there.....
dallassoftballcoach 3 weeks ago
idiot im 16 and can saw better than you! haha
bigford203 1 month ago
Dude ur a dumbass first of y'all go get proper felling training from certified professional fellers no chaps eye protection long sleeves shirt drop stating the saw running with the saw there's alot that yu fucked up on dude stop before yu get ur self hurt or killed
krokiller1 1 month ago
I'm just glad you didn't get hurt. Some of the best lessons are the toughest ones. I bet you studied a bit about being a sawyer after this, eh?
rwdyer1981 1 month ago
Go deeper and steeper with the undercut, barberchairs can be prevented.
garfark 2 months ago
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Wexweqt 2 months ago
This guy is a bag of shit!
MrAcero1976 2 months ago
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your mommy told you so...???
nord799 2 months ago
"Did I just hear a 'pooping in my pants' sound?"
localcrew 3 months ago
What an idiot, this guy is not a faller and should not be felln trees go back and get a job at mc donalds
cnforeman 3 months ago
what a fucking idiot. he is just another typical american idiot
gaggotgaggot 3 months ago
@gaggotgaggot Um.....I'm from Canada eh. And as such, I have noticed a lot of people make typical comments about our neighbors to the South. Which is ironic considering how typical they believe Americans to be..........
clintnickerson 3 months ago 2
@clintnickerson you live in north america, that makes you an american you fucking idiot. go to timmys and stuff you face with a few donoughts like the rest of youe fat friends over there
gaggotgaggot 3 months ago
@gaggotgaggot Ha ha, you're just cute as a button arentcha?
clintnickerson 3 months ago
@clintnickerson yeah, I bet his mommy is real proud of him. Notice he didn't state what Country he's from?
sniper152 3 months ago
Nice display of internet balls @gaggotgaggot, bet in real life you'd probably swallow hard and shrink. Show me someone who uses internet balls to make themselves feel macho and I'll show you a bitch boi in real life.
acs5pall 1 month ago
@acs5pall you sound like a fat typical dumb american asshole. if i met you i would teach you a good lesson boy
gaggotgaggot 1 month ago
@gaggotgaggot internet tough guys like you are so badass
Mr13born79 2 days ago
@Mr13born79 go suck the back of my balls you fat arsed fag
gaggotgaggot 1 day ago
@gaggotgaggot Did I make you mad? Aww...poor little tough guy. Go get a hug from mommy now.
Mr13born79 1 day ago
@clintnickerson well go and stuff you fat face with a few timmy hortons donughts then and shut up eh
gaggotgaggot 1 month ago
@gaggotgaggot why he is an idiot??? you are typical troll
nord799 2 months ago
@nord799 because he hasnt a clue how to cut down a tree and then just look at him running with a chainsaw. what a fucking fool. just like every other american
gaggotgaggot 2 months ago
@gaggotgaggot oh come on you little, he knows how to cut tree down, he just didnt make the back cut all the way...dry wood is so tricky u cant imagine simpleton, it was tilt a little when he had started, started to fall and stoped, old wood could not hold a pressure, happens, dont talk if dont know or never been there...pissin me off...how you got to that video, wanted to see somebody almost got killed, you freak :)))
nord799 2 months ago
@nord799 that fucking retard does not know how to cut a tree down and should not be allowed to use a chainsaw.
gaggotgaggot 2 months ago
Ya make sure you cut off your mess up.........
wrestlingrocks815 3 months ago
Hold on to a stihl, drop that husky!!!!...lol
Are you part of a sprint team, if not you should be, man you run fast!!!!!..lol
scottbass7 3 months ago
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i am curious as to what makes a tree in that original position (leaning) not break at the hinge next to the notch but instead do that barber chair?
goerizal 4 months ago
i am curious as to what makes a tree in that original position (leaning) not break at the hinge next to the notch but instead do that barber chair?
goerizal 4 months ago
Wow,not fun...but you get used to the unexpected, or die. I'm glad I lived through my transitory period ;)
MS460SSNova 4 months ago
someone needs a change of shorts
Jungedal 4 months ago
dawm that was close
MegaDerek2011 4 months ago
I keep hearing "Drop The Saw!, Drop The SAW!", but that was a nice saw! Stihl or Husqvarna?
creekdrifter 4 months ago
@creekdrifter Husqvarna 455 Rancher
clintnickerson 4 months ago
@clintnickerson I got the same saw! And NO I ain't dropping it!
creekdrifter 4 months ago
you should be thankful youre still alive
storminnormanz 4 months ago
drop the freaking saw you moron.
kenfo0 5 months ago
@kenfo0 But I can't. This video happened over two years ago and I have not yet perfected my time machine that will enable me to travel back to that moment and drop the saw to prevent this repeated comment. My humblest of apologies.
clintnickerson 5 months ago 7
@clintnickerson Only because they were your humblest apologies, I accept. My comment is for current/future reference. 1. clear exit path (2 in case things go wrong). 2.if anything unexpected happens, drop saw and run. You might only have a second.
kenfo0 5 months ago
@clintnickerson
what you said at 1:30 says it all!! Good video!
jammiewagonwheel 4 months ago
@clintnickerson lol if you would know that that will happn ,we would have no video here ;) hehe
KutasusWielgus 3 months ago
I agree, you drop the saw and run!!!!!!
daylightintheswamp 6 months ago
you can tell by the sound of the saw that it is still like new hasn't been run much, and you can tell by watching this video that you are new at using it
1overthehillsfaraway 6 months ago
@John34909
Way to reinforce someone for putting in a suicide cut. Stay in the millyard "expert" and bump dirt covered knotts..
brianmsee 7 months ago
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brianmsee 7 months ago
MrMeanderthai is right. You didn't hesitate on the back cut so much as, your face had a dutchman in it . If you put in the face and your cuts didn't line up, clean it up until they do. If you don't understand this, and you really want to be a good faller, email me. Falling can be fairly simple when dealing with healthy sound trees with minimal lean, especially if you are going with the lean. Don't F around with this stuff. Your technique is unacceptable.
brianmsee 8 months ago
@brianmsee I don't think you read MrMeanderthai's comment correctly. He agreed that it was a barber chair. There have been a few comments about the face cut being out. It was not. I fully understand that a dutchman is when your face cuts don't line up, that was not the case in this instance. I don't understand why you make a judgement call like this on a video that you cannot clearly see the face cut. It only looks out because of the camera angle.
clintnickerson 8 months ago
@clintnickerson I'm trying to keep you alive, if that matters. You need to remove the face cut (or pie cut) before you begin the back cut. You cut that wood out so the stem has somewhere to go without massive stress to the stem. Anyway, always remove this piece as the tree won't fall correctly if you leave it in. And I have never heard of anyone leaving it in before starting the back cut. Unless you are trying to die, and thats a new technique to me.
brianmsee 7 months ago
@brianmsee
No way to tell if he cut a dutchman from the video. You can see his face notch was removed from the video, so that is not an issue. The guy who shot the video said his face was clean, sounds like he has been taught about clean faces. So I'll take him at his word, plus I don't see the tree swinging anyways. Don't make it more complicated than it is. He had a green tree with a lean barber chaired on him when he paused on his back-cut.
jimmyab17 7 months ago
@jimmyab17
You are a rookie like the guy in the video. I am a seasoned pro. You defend someone who's cuts end up like this? You are on your way to being a statistic, kid.
brianmsee 7 months ago
@brianmsee
I ain't no rookie, and I wasn't defending his cut. I was just saying what it is, not the the b.s. you're writing on here. There is no way to tell if he cut a dutchman from the video, he may well have cut one but you just can't tell from the video. What you can tell is his face notch was removed and the tree barber chaired. And anyways he said he was a beginner, give him a break. As I'm sure you've never made a mistake in your career, especially when you were a beginner.
jimmyab17 7 months ago
@clintnickerson Yes it was a huge retarded barber chair, no question. Excellent response to justisfy suicide cutting techniqman tool (chainsaw) combined with no knowledge will kill you. I have never have heard of cutting the face and leaving it in. Read a book or anything to keep youself alive. I use tree jacks on 60"+ trees regularly. Don't argue son.
Brian. Now, if you really don't understand that you need to remove your face cut before the back cut, PUT YOUR SAW DOWN NOW!.
brianmsee 7 months ago
@brianmsee You don't have to be all mean about it. Relax there big shooter.
clintnickerson 7 months ago
Clean cuts fellas. Don't start the back till your face is cleaned out with no kerfs in the face. Unless you want to cut like a retard wanker and end up with videos like this that all of my coworkers laugh at. Take time to clean up your face or die like a retard.
brianmsee 8 months ago
Geez, you are lucky that tree didn't kill you. Two loggers were killed here a couple of weeks ago by trees that barber chaired. First of all I would have made my front v cut and then two scribed side cuts and and finish it off with one cut on the back just below the two scribe cuts. It's that sap wood that is deadly. Scribing through the sap around each side you wood have been fine.
BananaJSSI 8 months ago
@John34909 yup, were I come from a widow-maker is a top, a brach or some other object hanging up in a tree.
MrMeanderthal 8 months ago
a) a dutchman will only cause a barber chair after the tree starts to fall.. as the tree starts to fall the dutchman stops that fall momentarily causing tremendous strain the back cut is the stress riser and that's where it splits.
b) when falling a leaning tree it is best practise to complete the back cut without stopping until you get to the end of the cut.. this stops the stress from being concentrated at one spot for too long causing a barber chair as it did in this clip.
MrMeanderthal 8 months ago
@MrMeanderthal Agree 100%. I hesitated on the back cut.
clintnickerson 8 months ago
the tree try'd to slap him
wassupno3 8 months ago
hey man shit happens just remember to bore cut next time, but shit dude that was a bad one
FIRINLAZARzz 9 months ago
its just like being a quarterback. stand in the pocket and saw..worry less about chaps eye protect etc.etc. blah blah. learn to file or grind your chains. learn to get the most out of your saw and run consistent gas. keep a screwdriver on you at all times . make sure your carb is snapping at all times and dont be a pussy. spruce and fir are different. pine, alder, hemlock and larch. dry wood, greenwood, leaners and natural timber lay. basic timber falling schemes. look up alot
jtraske 9 months ago
may these accidents that we find funny in this site also serve as a caution for us. no one wants to meet an accident of get hurt for that matter. Our body is very important, a single finger, toe, or hand that we lose we can never get back. If it can, that's only thru technology which are also man made
campcaleigh 9 months ago
Thats a aggressive falling technique LOL almost looks like there was a slight dutchman on right side of tree tho
forgotten1ful 10 months ago
As a pacific northwest timber faller and contractor thats a barberchair at its finest first mistake the cutter was probably using a dull chain most barberchairs happen when a saw can not keep up with the tree most hear a pop they chickenshit out step back and its to late the tree has already barberchaired and the cutter is killed at the stump,run of thumb never tackle a leaner without a sharp chain and a saw to be able to keep up with it! chinook tree service
clmittge 10 months ago 7
wow.. thats the first time i see a tree split up like that! Was it rotten or something?
taztaz79 10 months ago
1. Yes that is a barber chair, I don't know how there could be any confusion. This is a classic example.
2. Safety equipment. Helmet: check. Chaps? Hard to tell.
3.Fleeing the scene: Drop the saw. If it comes down to running for your life, that's 20 pounds of easily replaceable dead weight that you don't need. Plus if you do get clobbered you don't need a running chainsaw anywhere near you to make things even more interesting.
Bet you got your daily adrenaline on that one. :)
themomaw 11 months ago 3
@themomaw Not chaps, faller pants. I prefer them by far!
clintnickerson 11 months ago
great example of a barber chair! It looks to me like you had a dutchman in your notch.Looking at the video the tree moved then stopped then barber chaired, also when you cut the remaining staub it moved and stopped. Make shure you don't bypass either plane when cutting you're notch!
treepete3 11 months ago
@GEO900RGE Haha, I'll never tell!
clintnickerson 11 months ago 3
Ok, I googled it, went to the first 6 sites, one of which was the history channels Ax men series site, they all said that this is a barber chair. Seems to me a lot of people are using this term wrong but insist that their actually right. Just because someones been using the term wrong for 20 or 30 years, still does not make them right lol.
rhymath 11 months ago
To all of the people who are saying this isn't a barber chair: WHAT IS IT THEN? Can any ACTIVE loggers clear this up? I would have thought me being born and raised in British Columbia, from a logging family and having many friends employed in the industry would lend some credibility. At least contribute something useful instead of simply saying "It isn't a barber chair".
clintnickerson 11 months ago 2
@clintnickerson thats like the best example of a barber chair i ever seen.that was insane. good thing you got out of there. take care man, its a risky business.
caruptree 11 months ago
gee wiz guys this isnt a barberchair,, sorry - he is on the ground. the term is used for a climber in a tree hitching a chain around the tree to keep this from happening. but who knows, these arborist today have it made. WE made our equitment- no arbor age or TCI or fancy schools, my husband worked with the Sartain bros all 7 of them back in the 60's first company in CA.. trees were big, most are all gone now with the uke man vs oak man,, sad to see these stories die with the men of the past!
Cloudy011 11 months ago
@Cloudy011 Sorry dude, but tree workers are not the ones that make up timber falling jargon. . .
o56kid 9 months ago
@Cloudy011
Definitely a "barber chair". The term is not exclusive to climbers. The chain wrapping is to help prevent a chair, but not called one.
jimmyab17 8 months ago
. Landscapers planted trees with wire still on root ball and then stake theheck out of for the extra money cost. I have freed so many trees in parking lots years in growth with wire choking limbs and trunk,, oh yeah the charged for the checks up but never came back. Trees dont need staked! and this mulch piled up on the trunk. who the heck started this? trees need to feel the wind and grow with it. staking weakings trees and the roots,
Cloudy011 11 months ago
Did you not use a dog's tooth cut for that? When I trained it was the first cut I learned after a straight cut. Saved my bacon a number of times.
zaktempest 1 year ago
yep thats a classic barberchair. I got nailed under the chin with one Valentines day 2004, and got the scar to remember it. awesome reflexes glad you made it out safe
somewhathigh 1 year ago
Great reactions to a bad situation.
hughj34 1 year ago
i am old school in the tree biz. isnt barber chair term used in a tree when it splits & crushes climber withthe butt strap? but anyway after inspecting trees the last 10 years and with YT mishaps. I find our trees are dying at the trunk with a strange rot. tree seems healthy untill tolate for treatment IF there is any. At the molecule base, our elements are eroding fast. anyway this tree shows exact signs of what i am investigating. one day we wake up all the trees fell over in the night?
Cloudy011 1 year ago
@Cloudy011 Is this a planted tree or volunteer? Sometimes I find local hicks making beer money (kinda like georgianfire...below) dazelling the ignorant with thick tree lingo like"bore cut" to get a job, and then plant a tree without scoring the root ball, (the county contractors do it too, to be fair). Spreading the tap roots in the hole, even if you do extra digging, will prevent the roots from crossing and choking the tree when it's 5 or 10 years down the road, which can cause that rot.
2ubtrue 11 months ago
I am an arborist and this is a excellent barber chair really shows the advantage of the bore cut
georgianfire 1 year ago
Wow that could have gone really wrong. I'm glad that it didn't hurt you, lucky guy!
gregordiesel 1 year ago
That's not barber chairing my friend, even though with the way I thought the top might be hung up, I did expect it to. I been in the business 23 years and barber chairing happens mainly in pines, which are kinda telescopic in their build. The tree will spin off the stump (like a barber's chair) instead of dropping when it barber chairs.
2ubtrue 1 year ago
@2ubtrue I respectfully disagree. Not that I'm an expert, but living in British Columbia I am personally surrounded by about 1,000 years of collective experienced fallers that say otherwise. A quick Google search will provide some credible reading that supports this being a barber chair.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson I understand your point, ...listen up! If that cut does not result in a terrible spin at base, then it's not considered "barber-chairing. In the south, we associate this well known phenomenon with the paper/pine industry, but recently I found this occurs anywhere near business timber. Even the name barber chairing was coined in south Alabama in the early 1900s. It's the 4th leading cause of death associated with timber. Consult an arborist not Google, respectively.
2ubtrue 11 months ago
@clintnickerson This is a barber chair!! forest service employee
brandro87 11 months ago 2
@2ubtrue From where I come from and have fell timber in the last thirty years in the PNW, this is considered a barberchair. Yes, pine trees tend to split easily, but I have had almost every species do that through the years.. (Although not quite as high up). Spruce, Red fir, White fir, Cedar, Redwood, etc. It is always a wake-up call when that happens. As long as you're not laying underneath it is truly all that matters.
timberfaller666 11 months ago
@2ubtrue half witted incompetent fool.
o56kid 9 months ago
ANYTIME YOU THINK A TREE WILL 'BARBER CHAIR, WRAP A LOOP OF CHAIN AROUND THE BOLE OF THE TREE ABOUT CHEST HIGH.
hawktana 1 year ago 2
@hawktana Thanks for the comment. A good practice no doubt. :)
clintnickerson 1 year ago
"Holy shitbags" thumbs up for my new favorite term.
druxfilms 1 year ago
Wow. All I can say is you are lucky you're not squirrel food. A lot of barber chairs happen when undercut is not clean to the hinge, undercut not big enough, too heavy lean, and saw not sharp enough. Looks like all of the above on this prime example. High heels? Lmao!!
timberfaller666 1 year ago
@timberfaller666 I've had a few comments about the undercut not being clean, but I really don't think that was the case. The rest is more than likely accurate and I might add that my back cut was way too high. I guess what it comes down to is you gotta learn somehow as long as you don't die trying. By the way, really liked your video! Would love to saw some big trees like those!!
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson I agree with you... A lesson lived is a lesson learned. That was a stellar barberchair, by the way!
timberfaller666 1 year ago
It's hard to see your cut from this distant. But I think your face cut could of been corrected a bit. When a tree is leaning like this, you never want to go full force in on the cut. Just do little cuts while your doing your back cut. This allows the pressure to release easy and gravity do most of the work. You did good by listening to the tree, I would of waited a few seconds longer. Don't look back, get out fast and safe.
ctynan18 1 year ago
@ctynan18
"When a tree is leaning like this, you never want to go full force in on the cut. Just do little cuts while your doing your back cut"
The reason this tree barber chaired is because he didn't go full force into it. Your advice is DEAD wrong.
"Don't look back, get out fast and safe" People get killed 80 ft from the stump when they listen to idiots you.
jimmyab17 8 months ago
did you scream like a little girl too ? cause you sure as hell ran like run. give up the saw for some high heels
frizzybob 1 year ago
@frizzybob Oh frizzybob, maybe you weren't looking close enough! I was wearing high heals. btw, what's a "ran like run"? Thanks for the comment sugar.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson youre not supposed to respond. but have you learned from your mistakes ? or have you choosen a different career path ?
frizzybob 1 year ago
way to stay on your toes dude. People die from those every year.
PowerWagon7 1 year ago
Huh! Never seen a tree do that. But the proof is in the vid.
transdrole 1 year ago
What causes this to happen, was the tree already damaged?
chris23a1 1 year ago
@chris23a1 The jury is out on that one. Some people think it was a bad undercut, some say type of tree, others say I should have kept cutting. Run worked for me, it landed right where I was standing.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson I'm no logger but have cut many a tree (forest land owner) Me thinks that undercut was short and yes, should have kept cutting. Glad to see you unharmed. Good lesson....thanks for posting.
makeitinthemeadow 1 year ago
Wow!
CpprBusa 1 year ago
lol he run fast :p
tiptas 1 year ago
SHARPN YA SAW BRO
umf3rider 1 year ago
@umf3rider I will get the energy to sharpen my saw when you get the energy to type a complete sentence.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson lol dick
umf3rider 1 year ago
@umf3rider" NEVER" run with a saw,throw it down and then run. Had you not recovered from your stumble, you would be talking about what your next career is and not a barber chair !!!!!
dserf101 1 year ago
@dserf101 I agree 100%. However, being relatively new to it my thoughts were on getting out from under the tree only! Thank goodness us hockey playin Canadians have good balance eh?!
clintnickerson 1 year ago
That fucker did not want to let go, did that once with an alder, scary as hell
Swimfan420 1 year ago
Hey dude, what a great example of barber chair. My apprentice did this once when we were pulling a crack willow. At least you had the common sense to run. We had to tell the apprentice to run! Thanks for sharing! ;)
drdendr0 1 year ago
@drdendr0 That's hilarious! Hope he made it away OK. Thanks.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this, one of the better videos I have seen on safety. I was just trying to get up to speed never used a chainsaw and taking down a small tree about 30 feet.
danielsaun1 1 year ago
its nice when trees fight back
doh1959 1 year ago
Love that reaction. Probably had to change your pants.
farrier616 1 year ago
HAHA FUCK
Thats a wicked chair, ive never had one ride up that high haha
wellerc 1 year ago
I've read about barber chairs...talked to guys who have had it happen to them but in 7 years of cutting it's never happened to me. I liked how you were looking up when starting your back cut and you were obviously ready to run. A less cautious cutter might be dead if he were in your place. Thanks for sharing.
MatthewBanchero 1 year ago
@MatthewBanchero Thank you for the comment!
clintnickerson 1 year ago
Whew, that is one of the gnarliest barber chairs I have ever seen. Were you happy with how much holding wood you had? It looks like you left too much holding wood, not allowing the tree to drop, which increased the pressure put on the back via the tip of the tree. I would have kept cutting it and not have pulled out so soon, but still, dropping trees is a risky business and there is no way you can predict everything. Nice video!
Eireate 1 year ago
@Eireate Totally right, I should have kept cutting. Next time.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
holy shit bags is right
jtrujillo575 1 year ago
Spooky! Glad your safe bro!
TheExtremetree 1 year ago
Hmmmm sieht man ja daß dein ein klarer Vorhänger ist. Warum hast du den nicht, so wie man es im Lehrgang lernt, mit Stechschnitt und Halteband gefällt? Dann wär das garantiert nicht passiert ;)
MrPummi88 1 year ago
@MrPummi88 I tried to translate this on babelfish and it was pretty confusing. Maybe asking why i didn't use a strap...., if so, good point. Thanks for the comment.
Danke vielmals!
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson Dont worry about, his comment its just crap, because he is an idiot!
He learnt something at a lumberjack school for farmers, and thinks thats the best!
Gadeto 1 year ago
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you need to leave the chain saw alone .
fx4kidd 1 year ago
you need to leave the chain saw alone
fx4kidd 1 year ago
There was clearly an unintentional bypass dutchman on the face.. the evidence of that is in the little bit of movement and then the stop.. so the tree moved until the kerf closed, just barely perceptible on the vid. That is why the guy stopped and took a step back
murphy4trees 1 year ago
@murphy4trees Thanks for the comment, the notch was a clean cut from what I can remember. I left the stump standing as a reminder ;-)
clintnickerson 1 year ago
@clintnickerson there is no question about it, no disrespect intended. you were there and all. BUT. the video doesn't lie, clearly a bypass cut on the face. not only from the start and stop before the barber chair, but also clearly there from the movement of the remainder of the tree, when you were pushing it by hand. that is all classic and unquestionable evidence of a bypass on the face... sometimes they are hard to see becasue they fill with sawdust. post stump pic on gypoclimber(dot)com
murphy4trees 1 year ago
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@clintnickerson there is no question about it, no disrespect intended. you were there and all. BUT. the video doesn't lie, clearly a bypass cut on the face. not only from the start and stop before the barber chair, but also clearly there from the movement of the remainder of the tree, when you were pushing it by hand. that is all classic and unquestionable evidence of a bypass on the face... sometimes they are hard to see becasue they fill with sawdust. post stump pic on gypoclimber(dot)com
murphy4trees 1 year ago
@murphy4trees
No way to tell from the vid if he left a dutchman, looks like a barber chair plain & simple. Not saying he didn't leave a dutchman, but once again there is no way to tell from this vid.
jimmyab17 8 months ago
@jimmyab17 evidence is therte if you know wha you are looking for.. watch 28 sec-34 sec and 1:08-1:20 closely....
murphy4trees 8 months ago
that'll scar the poopy out of ya lol. At least it wasn't a dam alder.
dirteeter32 1 year ago
This is a great video for explaining to rookies what a barberchair is and why it's dangerous. Thanks for posting.
We've all done some scary or stupid stuff when we were starting out, hopefully since this happened you've had time to practice your bore cutting skills. Work safe!
drdestroy1 1 year ago
I think this video is priceless, thanks for posting it. Everybody that ever works for me will watch it.
Blinkyfrog 1 year ago
Ho-ly sh*tbags!! I probably would Not have said it, so much as done it! LOL! Your video is great because it's hard to catch barberchairs on tape. Stay alert, stay alive!
LikeTheTruck 1 year ago
your lucky man..real lucky. my family has been a logging family for a looooong time. about seven years ago my dad was killed by a barber chair while falling an alder. Keep doin your thing though man!
Mansfield907 1 year ago
@Mansfield907 Thanks for the comment. I don't believe in luck, if it was my time to go it would have ended differently. I am sorry for your loss, I also grew up in a logging family. It's a crazy dangerous profession, but the guys (and gals) that do it usually love it. Take care.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
dude, good reflexes! check out my vid "limehill killer tree" by goneoutsider. my tree was notched and backcut all the way to the hinge.. and then.. well you watch and let me know what you think, cool vid to you
goneoutsider 1 year ago
dude, good reflexes! check out my vid "limehill killer tree" by goneoutsider. my tree was notched and backcut all the way to the hinge.. and then.. well you watch and let me know what you think, cool vid to you
btotheritney 1 year ago
Wow, that was crazy. That tree did not seem to have that much lean! I would have cut it with a normal backcut too, I would have never expected that!
274Gunther 1 year ago
Good vid, best example of a barber chair. Never happened to me luckily..
Mueiwark 1 year ago
Dangerous!
bj616 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this. I've been cutting trees for 22 years and I've 'chaired a few myself, before I got clued in to setting the hinge first then cutting to the back. This'll make you feel even better; I wanted to show someone a barberchair, but I said to him 'I don't think this'll show it because that tree doesn't seem to have enough lean". :)
PS: I think you would've been fine if you had quickly made a conventional felling cut; you just happened to stop at the worst possible point.
frodeaux2 1 year ago
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frodeaux2 1 year ago
Call me stupid, but i'll use a dog tooth cut whenever the tree is leaning anything more than a little bit, i'm learning the trade in college and its how we're taught. Nice work though man, you did great to get out of the way and i dont blame you for running with your saw, it looks like you clicked the chain brake on anyways.
Owenbmxman 1 year ago
wow, that must be awesome, to see it on own eyes D:
Mavi222 1 year ago
Good footage! I'm going to use this to demo the barber chair. Did you do a bore cut and set up the hinge first followed by a back cut going from the center to the back of the tree? Or did you cut the back strap from the back of the tree cutting inward?
canadianentropy 1 year ago 6
I just did a normal back cut. It didn't seem to be much of a lean.
clintnickerson 1 year ago
ooo man good thing you're okay. Thank you very much for sharing!!
InfamousStax 1 year ago
This happened to me once and I will never forget it. There was no warning crack. It happened in an instant. It almost took my head off. EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED!!! Thanks for posting this so others can learn.
rollodrumz 1 year ago
I have to say! Weather he's a Rookie or not is irrelevant. This could happen to even the most experienced Faller. Shit happens!
Mattinsouthnjebay 2 years ago
@Mattinsouthnjebay I have done this type of work for nearly half my life (my father ownes a small company in Ct.) and just a year ago I had that happen to me. We had a rope hung and tied to the Swingers winch, pulled a little too hard and POP went about 20 feet up before it layed down and fell, no injuries and no damage, so things were OK, I'm 32 and have worked for my father since I was 16 (minus a 4 year enlistment) so I like to think I know what I'm doing. It CAN happen to anyone.
Jerimiah1977 1 year ago
@Jerimiah1977
Perhaps as a faller, you just need quick reflexes?
And weather he dropped the saw or not. RUN LIKE HELL!
Mattinsouthnjebay 1 year ago 9
@Jerimiah1977
I agree, it can happen to anyone.
Theweirdchainsawguy 1 year ago
so long as your saw was sharp it would have been safe to rip her all the way to the hinge. nice video.
drudfelt 2 years ago
Yup, trust me, the local loggers have edumacated me since. haha.
clintnickerson 2 years ago
Thankyou for that exceptional example of barberchair.
Its just sad that commenter's like '06aconnorh' and 'tomcrump' seem to be so caught up in their ego, that they forget to complement you.
we'd all run with a chainsaw when that happens!
pauldarrington1 2 years ago
Thanks dude
clintnickerson 2 years ago
@pauldarrington1 I'd probably drop the saw, easier to replace a Husky 372 than it is to replace me. (although the saw might cost more)
Jerimiah1977 1 year ago
Thank you so much for sharing this. I just learned about the barber chair danger. I really appreciate your efforts here!
clicclic99 2 years ago
You should have used the dogs tooth cut, it would never have happened
tomcrump 2 years ago
DAMN, thanks for sharing. That's the worst one I've ever seen. You'd have been done if you'd been standing behind it but fortunately you were in the right place and had a clear escape path. I would have plunged the back-cut to finish out your hinge with the tree still stabilized and then completed the backcut to drop it (what cyoung927 suggested). I'll say though, by looking at the tree, I wasn't expecting that. Thanks again for sharing. It's a hell of a learning experience for all.
Positrack1 2 years ago
you almost got a hair cut ha
bigjimbo29000 2 years ago
nice homes
kx85rider79 2 years ago
Been cutting down trees for over a decade. I would not have thought the lean on that would have made it barber chair.
sweeneysister 2 years ago 2
its wasn't safe to start off
and also u ran with achainsaw :o
ur asking to getkilled
06aconnorh 2 years ago