After Trotsky died, and the orthodox-Trotskyists became more and more apologetic to Stalinism, there was a good chance that the true Marxist tradition would be lost forever. But it was Cliff, and his 4 comrades, who went through the painful 1950s and reestablished a lot of the old traditions, and developed new theories to better understand reformism and Stalinism, which allow socialism to stay alive.
And so today the IST is the most healthy form of international socialism around.
Capitalist mode of production has revolutionised technology/ science and human organisation to such an extent that Market System has become a FALSE LIMIT to truly and effectively taking care of our NEEDS AND WELL BEING. We need to share the Earth in COOPERATION not in COMPETITION and transcend the PROFIT motive to SANCTITY OF LIFE. We have all the means and resources , the human creative genius for a meaningfull path of harmony within and without.
"The Communist Party disintegrated becuase their center of belief dissapeared'" - This needs some serious explaining...and so does a lot more of what he says.
Tony Cliff is one of the most brilliant Marxists ever. His starting point is the notion that the emancipation of the working class is the task of workers themselves - and with incredible consistency applied it whenever he could.
my god that's the essential socialist ethic isn't it? imposition of freedom is a moronic contradiction in terms which horribly deviates from the humanist aims of marx. tony cliff and erich fromm and others point that out, and in the 21st century that matters.
does marx not argue that the communist party must enact the revoulution for the people and on behalf of the people. i think cliff argues for a more 'do it yourself' approach if you excuse the lack of a better term
Correct. There is no revolution for the people, only by the people. The task of a socialist party is organise the struggles into a movement that can exact lasting change.
Actually Marx and Engels said in their "The Communist Manifesto" that emancipation of working class must come from working class within. When Marx abandoned parliamentary democracy in favor of communism, he did so because he recognized proletariat class as fundamental agents that can change the world.
Tony Cliff has inspired me as a student and also as a young researcher of the international socialist movement. Wasn't for him, I doubt I'd ever have joined the real socialists back then.
Tony Cliff was undoubtedly one of; if not the most forward thinking politician of the 20th century.
Ofcourse many socialist will have differences of opinion over certain issues, but this should not stop us from creating a united stand against capitalism.
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Unity needs to be forged, and basic tenets need agreement.
That Lenin and Trotsky betrayed the workers, and shouldn't be looked upon as anything as relics, that we the workers can decide our fate in soviets, that we needn't a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' whether it's physical, or metaphorical, that Marxism isn't dogma, and aspects can be challenged, and with the fall of capitalism, we allow men and women to be free, regardless of race, sexual preference or nationality.
I have my slight differences with his perspectives and analysis, and that of today's SWP.
But thanks for this video, it is only fit & proper that the informative figure of Tony Cliff is available to a larger audience on youtube. He - along with Ted Grant will eventually take their place in mankind's real history!
Cliffism =/= Trotskyism.
jumpnjza2 4 months ago
After Trotsky died, and the orthodox-Trotskyists became more and more apologetic to Stalinism, there was a good chance that the true Marxist tradition would be lost forever. But it was Cliff, and his 4 comrades, who went through the painful 1950s and reestablished a lot of the old traditions, and developed new theories to better understand reformism and Stalinism, which allow socialism to stay alive.
And so today the IST is the most healthy form of international socialism around.
MikhailSilverwood 1 year ago 4
I'd never actually heard his voice before, printed words don't really do the accent justice lol
JackBrindelli 1 year ago
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Capitalist mode of production has revolutionised technology/ science and human organisation to such an extent that Market System has become a FALSE LIMIT to truly and effectively taking care of our NEEDS AND WELL BEING. We need to share the Earth in COOPERATION not in COMPETITION and transcend the PROFIT motive to SANCTITY OF LIFE. We have all the means and resources , the human creative genius for a meaningfull path of harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago
Ygael Gluckstein aka Tony Cliff.
theuk7yahoo 1 year ago
He's right up there with Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky as a theoretician. A brilliant man.
R.I.P., Comrade Tony Cliff.
tjs11487 1 year ago
Cliff stands right beside Lenin and Trotsky as a Marxist theoretician. A brilliant man.
R.I.P., Comrade Tony.
tjs11487 1 year ago
"The Communist Party disintegrated becuase their center of belief dissapeared'" - This needs some serious explaining...and so does a lot more of what he says.
9407113678 2 years ago
Fantastic interview. Thank you very much for uploading.
9407113678 2 years ago
Crystal clear - I remember hearing Cliff speak and he had a superb ability for lucidly expressing Marxist ideas.
aworld2win 2 years ago 9
Tony Cliff is one of the most brilliant Marxists ever. His starting point is the notion that the emancipation of the working class is the task of workers themselves - and with incredible consistency applied it whenever he could.
LunaSlave 2 years ago 2
my god that's the essential socialist ethic isn't it? imposition of freedom is a moronic contradiction in terms which horribly deviates from the humanist aims of marx. tony cliff and erich fromm and others point that out, and in the 21st century that matters.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
does marx not argue that the communist party must enact the revoulution for the people and on behalf of the people. i think cliff argues for a more 'do it yourself' approach if you excuse the lack of a better term
GiroWeed 2 years ago
Correct. There is no revolution for the people, only by the people. The task of a socialist party is organise the struggles into a movement that can exact lasting change.
Machomatscho 1 year ago
@GiroWeed
Actually Marx and Engels said in their "The Communist Manifesto" that emancipation of working class must come from working class within. When Marx abandoned parliamentary democracy in favor of communism, he did so because he recognized proletariat class as fundamental agents that can change the world.
unorthodoxtrotsky 1 year ago
Are you seriously implying there are people who don't want freedom?
Machomatscho 1 year ago
The guy is a human idea distillery. He has a genius for put ideas across in the simplest most understandable term. You might leave with a few
questions but not because he is trying to BS you.
indolin 3 years ago
I saw Ygael Gluckstein speak once, back in the late 70s. It was hard to follow him as he had such a thick accent. Nice bloke, though.
TerrySleeper 3 years ago
Tony Cliff - the best Marxist since Marx.
Futurecast 3 years ago
You're living in a dream world!
newtroublemaker1973 3 years ago
What about Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg?
Xproletariatx 2 years ago 3
ha ha but the swp are still lagging behind with actually doing anything to help the working class these days.
Cliffs analogy of the USSR is absolutely appauling.
ForASocialistChange 2 years ago
genius...
wish i could have seen him speak but joined the irish swp just after his death...
but the ideas and the action lives on!
any more cliff about???
wanna see it!!!
jamesotoolemusic 3 years ago 2
Gotta love the legacy that Cliff left behind.
My only regret is I never knew or met him having joined the SWP after his death.
LastOfTheDiehards 3 years ago 3
comrade, the workers, wtf is that? you are nothing but useless americans man, you can not use those terms, is not coherent, fuck off!
butsudo22 3 years ago
Tony Cliff has inspired me as a student and also as a young researcher of the international socialist movement. Wasn't for him, I doubt I'd ever have joined the real socialists back then.
westclub4 3 years ago 4
In 2008 we are down comrade, but the workers movement is never out.
redcogs 3 years ago 3
Tony Cliff was undoubtedly one of; if not the most forward thinking politician of the 20th century.
Ofcourse many socialist will have differences of opinion over certain issues, but this should not stop us from creating a united stand against capitalism.
THE WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!
kerakcast 3 years ago 14
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Unity needs to be forged, and basic tenets need agreement.
That Lenin and Trotsky betrayed the workers, and shouldn't be looked upon as anything as relics, that we the workers can decide our fate in soviets, that we needn't a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' whether it's physical, or metaphorical, that Marxism isn't dogma, and aspects can be challenged, and with the fall of capitalism, we allow men and women to be free, regardless of race, sexual preference or nationality.
duffers 3 years ago
Fantastic video! Arise, arise!
keelanburns89 3 years ago 4
Over the years I learnt a lot from Cliff and I thank him for that.
Cheers comrade.
'Stalinism is dead, Trotsky smiles'
Audiocodes 3 years ago 4
Hopefully soon, the Proletariat too, will learn to smile again.
From the defeats of the past will arise our ultimate victory.
sweetpotos 3 years ago 2
Wow. Maybe one day people will say from Marx to Lenin to Trotsky to Cliff.
Great to se the little devil again
notthebbc 3 years ago 4
Good stuff. More Cliff.
poshnosh1917 3 years ago 3
Pleasure to listen to Comrade Tony Cliff.
I have my slight differences with his perspectives and analysis, and that of today's SWP.
But thanks for this video, it is only fit & proper that the informative figure of Tony Cliff is available to a larger audience on youtube. He - along with Ted Grant will eventually take their place in mankind's real history!
WORKERS OF ALL LANDS - UNITE!
RAGtagBAG88 3 years ago 5